MARGOT KIDDER is dead to me!

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She was absolutely terrific as Lois Lane.

She's fine! She sends her love!

Margot was a friend of mine. She was very special and will be missed. xoxoxoxoxo

DEAD!

Well, I'll be.

Awww, that's a goddamn shame!

She was so marvelous in the first two "Superman" films that I've been fond of her since, even through all her troubles. I was hoping she'd pull through it all and live to a happy, sassy, ass-kicking old age, but no.

Oh no! Very attractive woman

For you Canadian DLers

Her sister is Tracy Kidder, and education activist in Toronto. She is married to Canadian actor Eric Peterson

Much love, R4. Wish I had known her better, even through her work. Something about her that I really like.

A great ABC MOW from 1971 that was Kidder's first big role.

In Black Christmas -- a true classic horror movie that essentially defined the genre for decades to come.

R8. Unless you are joking, I think you mean Annie Kidder.

Tracy Kidder is a man (American) who writes books.

Loved her as Lo Lane, but I always hated her car in the first Superman. It was ugly.

She had a lot of talent and sass. Rest in peace, sweet soul.

Margot dated Pierre Trudeau, Justin's papa.

Sad to hear about this. I didn't realize she'd been recently ill.

[italic]Sisters[/italic] was another horror classic.

At the morgue, moments ago.

Loved her in An Officer & A Gentleman

Liked her in Paul Mazursky's WILLIE AND PHIL. She was married to John Heard and to novelist Thomas McGuane. Very much a part of the whole LA early 70s drug/hippie scene, which included guys like Nicholson, Bob Rafelson. She shared a Malibu house with Jennifer Salt, and they went through a lot of guys and drugs. I'll bet a lot of good stories died with her.

Is that why she had the breakdown, r20? Drug abuse? Or had she always had mental problems?

I believe she was also bi-polar.

Did she ever write a book? What a shame if she didn't, she lived a hell of a life

Wonderful as Lois Lane, sexy and deceptively kittenish in “Sisters”. Fine actress.

Very sorry to hear this. Always thought she was a very underrated actress. She did some good work later on too as a character actress.

I admired the way she carried herself after her public mental breakdown. After she got it together she showed that you can overcome such things and that she was still a smart and thoughtful person.

RIP Margo.

Yes, she had bipolar disorder that, like Patty Duke's, went untreated for years. She was even homeless for a while when she was at her sickest, but after she got treatment, she resumed working steadily and won an Emmy three years ago for a kids' show, [italic]R. L. Stine's The Haunting Hour.[/italic]

Another fucked-up scene from [italic]Sisters[/italic]

A delightful woman.

I met her in 1984 when I was working in admissions at Georgetown University. She became a professional actor before she had gone to university, and was drawn to politics in her personal life. She realized that her education in current events was rudimentary and that she was most influenced by the last book she read or the last speaker she heard. She wanted a deeper grounding in political science, economics, and international affairs. Since Pearl Bailey had returned to Georgetown as a non-traditional student and completed her Bachelors in her 60s, Margot knew that the University welcomed former actors and non-traditional students.

She ended up not enrolling (another movie came calling), but I applaud her desire to become a more thoughtful person with deeper knowledge in politics and economics. How different than individuals elected today.

Godspeed, Ms. Kidder.

I think at one point they found her in the shrubbery of someone's home, hiding from aliens or something. And this was after she had been in Superman. A huge star. "Honey I see a pair of feet sticking out of the hedges, is that Lois Lane?" How bizarre.

Of course, nothing compares to having Scarlett O'Hara approach you and bring you into the bushes for a quick fuck. Imagine the shock of being THAT mailman....

She tells some amazing stories in this interview from 2009

She's hilarious in that interview. Speaks her mind. Her opinion of The Amityville Horror? "What a piece of shit." LOL!!!

She was always funny in interviews. I remember she was on a Canadian talk show discussing Superman and how she had to do the flying scene with a hangover. I always remembered what a trooper she was when I had to cope with a hangover.

She's one of a kind and gone far too soon...

RIP Margot

I never liked her, and, yes, she was crazy.

I loved those "Minute with Margot" clips on YouTube.

RIP. Will have to watch the Superman series.

I think she had a rough life, so I hope she is at peace. She did a short lived TV show with James Garner and they had terrific chemistry. She was a very good actress.

She also dated Richard Pryor.

GREAT interview, R30, thanks for sharing!

Kidder was a delight in the terrific TV movie “Vanishing Act”, written by the legendary Levinson and Link.

Always got Carrie Fisher vibes from her.

That interview is full of funny asides ...

[quote]Olivia Hussey was a bit of an odd one. She was obsessed with the idea of falling in love with Paul McCartney through her psychic.

So young.

I thought she was older than 69. Guess it was all the drugs and fast living,

For so many, money sure doesn't make life easier, if gives people like Margot more money for drugs and other crap.

RIP.

Practically a toddler.

The "RIPS" here remind one how social media have left people henlike. Frauen.

I loved her on the Boston Common Tv series.

R43 She did have some drug and alcohol problems but she got over those before her breakdown. She was in a bad car accident in 1990 that put her out of commission for 2 years and had some botched dental work that made her lose her front teeth. She didn't have it easy.

Welp, another one gone. Hope she found something good after she shuffled off this mortal coil.

R26, Margot also passed away at the same age as Patty Duke, 69.

The manic episode happened just a couple years after Reeve's accident, and he had sent a gentle hopeful message to her through the press, that maybe one day they could work together again and help each other heal.

I remember how right after her manic episode, as soon as she got better, she began talking about it publicly instead of running away or hiding from it. That helped bring more recognition to the condition.

sad.

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I loved her voice.

RIP. Great lady, great actress.

[quote]The "RIPS" here remind one how social media have left people henlike. Frauen.

RIP! Goodbye Margot!

Another dead Hollywood druggie that hid behind the 'mental illness' excuse. She was also a whore that fucked Trudeau serior. Not as big a whore as Justin Trudeau's mother...but still.

Pierre Trudeau was a whore, R57. Or doesn't your evaluation apply to men too?

R28, thank you so much for your post. I remember reading the Rolling Stone cover story on her years ago and was fascinated that she mentioned she was interested in becoming involved in diplomacy. I had always hoped to meet her one day and ask her about that, and of course I'll now never have that chance. Again, thank you for illuminating that aspect of her life.

Like many, I fell in love with her and her Lois Lane in 1978, but realized later that I had first seen her as a little boy watching the film Gaily Gaily with Beau Bridges. I was (and am) a huge fan, but I developed a profound respect for her in the aftermath of her breakdown and her realization that she had a mental illness that had gone undiagnosed for decades. In an interview, she likened the identity reassessment she had to go through to what a gay man goes through when he first realizes he's gay. She wasn't equating homosexuality with mental illness, just that the psychological aftermath of realization and acceptance of not being who you thought you were was the same. I was so touched and amazed that she got that with her blithe and unblinking likening of her struggles to those of gays. And so, I fell in love with her all over again. As the cliche goes, she died way too young...

In her prime she was magnificent. I vaguely recall on an interview (Geraldo's old daytime show?) where an author claimed she and Pryor did three ways with Beverly d'angelo.

I adore her line delivery in Superman. Who's got YOU?

Odd that the New York Times has no obituary ready, for the last two hrs they have a few short paragraphs and "a full obituary will appear soon." Margot Kidder was not a big star ever (contrary to what's been written above), but news outlets always have obits ready to go in case a celebrity dies. Guess Margot was even less a star than I thought she was.

That scene at r27 is terrifying. No one could write more horrifying freak-out music than Bernard Herrmann--that score is one of his finest.

I thought she was a very fine actress--she could be very complex and disturbing (in SISTERS), very funny (BLACK CHRISTMAS) and very appealing (the SUPERMAN movies). Hollywood should have made better use of her.

I love this re Willie & Phil (only I and one other on here will remember Willie & Phil):-

You know, the guy that Michael Ontkean played was originally John Heard, who I married very briefly. And John behaved so badly about something. Oh, I know. I had become his girlfriend, and he didn’t want me to do a love scene with someone else, it was Ray Sharkey or something. So he quit.

AVC: That doesn’t seem terribly professional.

MK: No. So there was a bit of a brouhaha about that. [bold]But then I married him for a month after the movie ended.[/bold]

Typical Lois!

When we first see her in Superman The Movie, as Lois through the lens of Jimmy Olsen's camera, her eyes are incredibly red. She said it was because she'd been crying all night after arguing with John Heard on the phone...

Like another bipolar actress Our Patty she died too soon...

I remember Willie and Phil because the great male nudity from Michael O....

Great clip R64...and to think that Lester cut it for Superman II! Such terrific comic acting from both of them...

R61, You're right that news outlets generally have obits for notable people "in the can," but the focus tends to be on those who are older or in poor health. And sometimes certain celebrities are simply overlooked in the advance obits database, which is clearly what happened at the NYT.

r29, she was found just 2 doors down from my sister's house, back when she was missing in 1996. Bizarre incident...

Missing 'Superman' actress found frightened in bushes

Wednesday 24 April 1996

GLENDALE, Calif -- Three days after she was reported missing, the actress Margot Kidder was found "dirty, frightened and paranoid" in bushes behind a suburban home and was taken for psychiatric testing, police said last night.

The 47-year-old Canadian-born actress, best known for playing Lois Lane in the “Superman” movies, was "in obvious mental distress" when officers found her on Tuesday in the Los Angeles suburb of Glendale, police said.

Kidder, missing since Saturday, reportedly said she had been assaulted and was hiding from someone, but police said they found no evidence she was the victim of a crime.

"At the time of her discovery, she was wearing dishevelled, cast-off clothing and apparently cut off her own hair with a razor blade in an attempt to alter her appearance," a Glendale police sergeant, Rick Young, said.

Kidder had bruises and scratches, but Young said her injuries were from living in the bushes for several days.

What street was that in Glendale?

John Heard seems like he was a dick to her. Of course, we only hear her side of things. Heard died last year at 71. Despite his relatively young age at death, I thought he’d died years earlier. False memory I guess.

That clip from Superman makes me long for the days when lipless actors could get work without having all sorts of injections and implants.

[quote]Loved her in An Officer & A Gentleman

No you didn't.

R70 Ross Street in Glendale

r70 - Ross Street, near the corner of Mountain Avenue.

"Honey, is that Margot Kidder hiding behind our woodpile?"

The only woman I could have conceived going straight for (circa 1983). And now it's too late!

[quote]John Heard seems like he was a dick to her. Of course, we only hear her side of things. Heard died last year at 71. Despite his relatively young age at death, I thought he’d died years earlier. False memory I guess.

Not a fan of the Sopranos I gather?

After reading the Random Roles interview with Kidder, it looks like I transposed John Heard with Kidder's previous husband, Thomas Mcguane. Kidder didn't marry Heard till long after the original Donner shoot, and Kidder's marriage to McGuane was breaking up as the original Donner shoot started.

She and Carrie Fisher did have very similar auras about them. They seemed fun and had big hearts. You sure can't say they didn't live. They probably each lived more in one year than most of us do in 30. She was a terrific actress, too. She's from that old mode of actors where, even if the movie wasn't good, they sure were. Case in point: Amityville Horror. God bless her for selling the shit out of that ridiculous movie. Can we all finally admit that the original Amityville Horror is fucking awful?

Why is Willie and Phil M.I.A on DVD and Blu-Ray? I still have my VHS. I remember thinking Ray Sharkey was really offbeat and sexy in that.

Wasn't it a few years ago that she was wandering around in someone's back yard talking incoherently? And wasn't she missing some teeth? She was in really bad shape. I'm surprised she lived as long as she did.

John Heard wasn't only dick to Kidder. He was in a relationship with Melissa Leo for years and had a son with her. Melissa claimed he was violent and Heard took the kid without permission at one point and got arrested. Heard married a woman and twins and abandoned them later on.

[quote] They probably each lived more in one year than most of us do in 30

Well each certainly did 30 times more coke.

[quote]Wasn't it a few years ago that she was wandering around in someone's back yard talking incoherently?

Yes, Rose, it was.

[quote] The "RIPS" here remind one how social media have left people henlike. Frauen.

She's dead. What the fuck do people think? Will for some reason she'll be uncomfortable or woken up constantly and having a hard time getting back to being be dead?

R82 Yes, if NINETEEN NINETY-SIX was “a few years ago.”

I graduated from high school in 1996.

I turned 40 last week.

If "living more" means "dealing non-step with mental illness", I'll pass.

I see you found your spirit animal, R86. I'm sure you'll both be happy in your caves. RIP.

R39, I thought I was the only one who knew that movie! Strangely, I just watched it on YouTube a couple weeks back. Not sure why it popped into my head after many years. Clever little story and Margot really shines.

What was the cause of her death?

[R91] Who knows pending official word but Margot was a serious chain smoker her whole life - an unrepentant one like Joni Mitchell. Considering that, 69 isn't so bad.

"news outlets generally have obits for notable people ... but the focus tends to be on those who are older or in poor health."

R68, you're nuts, that's bullshit. THE FOCUS is anyone who is a celebrity. They should have had Kidder's ready considering her going wacko years ago. Bipolars are always one step from suicide or an accident.

Man, this one is a real bummer for me. Loved Margot. May she RIP.

She had the best cheekbones!

They didn't quite get the retro glasses right in the Superman movies

She was due to appear at Motor City Comic Con this weekend along with others in the Superman cast to celebrate the movie anniversary.

[quote] She was due to appear at Motor City Comic Con this weekend along with others in the Superman cast to celebrate the movie anniversary.

Not anymore.

Margot was pretty big in the late 70's, early 80's. Superman and Amityville were two of the top grossing movies of their respective years. Then came Superman 2 which also did huge business. She got a lot of publicity over bitching out the Salkinds with Superman 2 which led to her getting "demoted" in Superman 3. Demi Moore got cast on General Hospital because the producers were looking for a young Margot Kidder type.

She really was a key player in the New Hollywood landscape when Jennifer Salt and her shared a house together. For a while it became the epicenter of young actors, directors, etc. People like Spielberg, DePalma, Scorsese hung out there on a regular basis. Julia Phillips talked about it extensively in her book.

[R97] Which leads you to believe it was unexpected. Aneurysm or heart attack while sleeping?

She and Reeve didn't get along.

R91 tmz reporting it might be the flu. She was sick as a dog when she called into a radio show few days ago.

Christopher Reeve was adisciplined actor and relatively well adjusted whereas Kidder was crazy and a cokehead. So it's not really a surprise they didn't exactly get along very well.

Everybody knows that you can't rape a townie.

Margot really gave a face to mental illness. I think she helped educate a lot of people both directly and indirectly because I don't think a lot of people knew a lot about bipolar disorders or mental illness in general. I remember she was judged and mocked in 1996 but she was very brave and didn't hide away.

I always hated how Kidder was basically relegated to a cameo in Superman III. Annette O'Toole was lovely but I missed Kidder.

The curse of 69 strikes again.

[quote]Christopher Reeve was adisciplined actor and relatively well adjusted

He was full of himself in interviews, talking about his classical training. He sounded like Joe Man-Jello who's famous for playing a werewolf.

I can believe "he was kind of an asshole," which is all she said about him.

I met Margot Kidder several years ago at an autograph show in Chicago (don’t judge!) She was true delight — honest, self-effacing and utterly charming. It was such a treat to chat about “Sisters”, “Gaily, Gaily” (which she discussed being filmed in Illinois and Wisconsin — who knew?) and “Vanishing Act”. It’s a memory I cherish, and I’ve always wished her well.

She should have gone on Dr. Phil. The dear man would have helped her, the way he helps ALL troubled celebrities who come on his show.

Whatever she had, it must've happened quick as she had comic cons booked.

Roseanne Barr tried to jump on the "condolences from celebrities" bandwagon, and Margot's nephew let her have it:

I wonder why she never wrote a book. I'd sure as hell would've bought it.

Nooooooooooooooooo!!!! 😭

I think she was writing a book but the computer crashed she was typing on which triggered an episode.

I remember once she was on Letterman who implied she was a slut. She gave him a look that would kill. They quickly cut to commercial.

Celebs die in threes. My picks for the next two deaths are Jack Nicholson and Ryan O'Neal.

There was a Canadian doctor by the name of Avram Hoffer (now deceased) who treated mental illness with mega doses of vitamins and minerals. I believe it's called orthomolecular medicine. Margot was a proponent and I think was treated by Hoffer. I don't know if she abandoned traditional psych meds as a result.

Yulish, very yulish

R86: "Requiescat in pace" has been used for centuries, and therefore long pre-dates social media.

Also, could you be any more of a literalist?

Kidder became a big advocate of Orthomolecular medicine (she narrates to doc in the link) after her manic episode in the Nineties, and credited it with turning her life around. She may have had problems still, and may not have enjoyed perfect health but she did do a lot to help others after her dramatic recovery.

R119, could one say she was a super woman?

Other Superman II cast members have discussed their dislike of Reeve, particularly the actor who played the mute member of the trio of villains from Krypton. Apparently, he thought he knew best, and he was hard to work with. I believe that during one of the later films (III or IV), he was given more control, and he even wrote the screenplay, but the film wasn't very successful.

Tom Wolfe has died. Who will be number three?

[quote]I can believe "he was kind of an asshole," which is all she said about him.

I wish she had been more specific. I suspect it was the comments made upthread, that he was pompous and self-important, but who knows, it may have been something completely different. We should really dig her up and ask her.

R123, has she been buried yet?

I wasn't being serious, Rose.

R123 she said in an interview I read last night that they would argue in front of the crew and they would turn away due to embarrassment. I believe Reeve tried to lord his classical training over others but part of it was Kidder too. She didn’t get along with James Brolin on Amityville Horror either. She had said their two different styles of clashed.

Of acting^^^

Yes she seems to have had problems with lots of people, r126. When someone says that everyone is an asshole, what they don't realize is they've probably misidentified the asshole, at least that's what I've found.

Still, she cunts away with the best of them. "I was sad when Christopher Reeve was paralyzed, but not THAT sad." She should be a DL icon!

"She's fine! She sends her love!"

You're such a Kidder.

[R128] Margot also had a major feud with Burt Lancaster during the filming of LITTLE TREASURE. She pushed his buttons insinuating he was gay, he beat the hell out of her, she brought charges against him and it was all settled hush-hush for an undisclosed sum on the proviso that she never speak of it in public. I know this from her personally. Sure, Margot was a gas and a ball of fire but she could be a fucking nightmare when she was high - and she was high A LOT.

Actually she told ME you made all that up, r130.

[R131] Ha ha - I just found this AP piece from 1984, so the incident did get some publicity at the time. Margot and I were buddies for several years from about 1991-97, after which our lives took us in different directions. She was a wonderful person but she had her problems, as we all do. She hated Lancaster and called him a big closet case.

Sorry - here's the link about the brawl on the LITTLE TREASURE set.

I found this clip from the Dick Cavett show a few years ago, with both Janis Joplin and Margot Kidder, Margot appears at the 9:28 mark. She was around 21 years old here.

It's true a young Demi Moore really did resemble her. I didn't know about that GH tidbit though.

Did we ever find out how she died?

Activist.

My god, she was butt ugly. Always was but especially as an old woman. And 100% crazy. How did she become a working actress?

Well, r137 must have really high standards; perhaps he's a model himself. Margot Kidder was very pretty, even after she aged, she still had good skin and facial symmetry. What a bizarre comment.

Margot Kidder dead but Yahoo Serious still alive.

I like you, R139.

[quote]Margot Kidder dead but Yahoo Serious still alive.

Jon Cryer still going strong too.

Those Minute With Margot videos were hilarious. I wonder why that guy stopped doing them.

I never "got" her back in the day. I honestly did not think she was attractive--well. movie star attractive. She was fine for a basic hippie chick type in the 70s. She always came across as a bit manic in interviews, which I guess she actually might have been. Her teeth were a real turnoff, and then I read that in 1996 when she was found she was toothless. Her whole thing with McGuane, Peter Fonda, and the rest of that Montana gang seemed sorta odd to me, but I guess she just danced to her own drumbeat.

RIP.

R132, so she implied that Burt Lancaster was a closet case?

[R144] Yes, she swore he was.

Margot Kidder was a nut job. Christopher Reeve was not. No wonder they didn't get along.

Didn't everyone, including Visconti?

"As for her late Superman co-star, Kidder said, candidly, that she was "sad, but not that sad" when Reeve became a quadriplegic."

That is a pretty callous thing to say... Sounds like a cunt

[R148] I would like to see that quote with a citation. That doesn't sound like something Margot would have said. - especially to a reporter. She genuinely liked Christopher Reeve and he even called to check up on her well-being during the breakdown episode.

[R148] She thought Reeve was kind of square, but almost everyone was square compared to free-loving, LSD dropping, Bohemian Margot.

"I vaguely recall on an interview (Geraldo's old daytime show?) where an author claimed she and Pryor did three ways with Beverly d'angelo."

I think the "author" you're referring to is Jennifer Lee, Richard Pryor's skanky white trash wife. She released her memoir (it's one of the trashiest tomes imaginable) and if she's telling the truth she'd fuck anything. Among her lovers were Warren Beatty, Roman Polanski, Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, Jimmy Connors, Gordon Lightfoot, Jim Brown, Jon Finch, and so on and so on. Her great love was Richard Pryor; he'd beat the crap out of her but she kept coming back for more. She doesn't consider herself gay, but on every other page she'd having sex with another woman, usually in a threesome for the entertainment of a man, which she doesn't count as "real" sex, just something she does to be obliging. But she does hire a female prostitute one night, and she considers the experience "empowering"; it makes her feel in control. She and Pryor marry, divorce, and then remarry after he becomes a wreck due to MS. She basically glommed onto him and he was in no shape to fend her off. As for the threesome with Beverly D'Angelo...well, it was a threesome with her and D'Angelo and David Geffen. He watched while they "tangoed" in the big bed. Yech. Just a bunch of slimebags.

I do love one quote from Jennifer's book, though I can't find it to get the quote exactly right. Something like "L.A. is so insidious. You go to lunch and four years goes by...."

Julia Philips has some great anecdotes about Margot and Jennifer Salt laying out bottomless on the beach and freaking out the nerdy virgins like Spielberg.

How did she die?

[R153] Cause of death hasn't been released yet, but there definitely was an autopsy. Apparently she was found dead on a couch by a friend who came over to help clean her house.

suicide?

[R155] Don't think Margot was the type. However, an accidental OD is possible.

Plus she had the flu real bad leading up to her death. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was the flu.

[R157] And she was a heavy smoker so there may have been related complications.

I loved Kidder, thought she was swell. But, it has to be said regarding her opinion of Reeve, that a bipolar person's opinion of you can turn on a dime, depending on when you catch them...

they showed her 80s host SNL photo card (they use it when they go to commercial) on SNL last weekend as a tribute. The show was hosted by an unfunny Tina Fey and amateur, lipsynching no-talent rapper Nicki Minaj.

" As for the threesome with Beverly D'Angelo..."

Was BA's real girlfriend Lauren Hutton involved?

R49 I wonder if it had anything to do with the different type of medicines they took to control their manic depression. You know how sometimes they say the Cure is worse than the disease

medicines???

She wasn't on any psych meds.

She did some alternate type of treatment. It seemed to work for her.

Kidder reminds me of Jennifer Lawrence (at her worst) in the Dick Cavett clip.

The "not sad" line about Reeve is really low and gross if she did say it.

I agree r165. So rude. It's the sort of thing we might all say to a friend in confidence when someone we hate dies, but to the press, it's beyond crass.

Yeah. I don't even think I would even say it about someone I hated. How could you hate him so much anyway? You fought on a movie?

I wonder if she was autistic. Not being able to read social cues is a symptom.

Or simply had no social skills.

If there really was enmity between Kidder and Reeve, it might trace back to the whole Donner/Lester business. I remember her saying in interviews that Reeve didn't get "Poiltical", while she was, referring to her criticisms of the Salkinds, Pierre Spengler, and Richard Lester. Those criticisms of course cost her starring credit and a downgrading of her role. I'd always hear her refer to her relationship with Reeve as a brother-sister relationship, but maybe this was before the actual replacement of Donner with Lester. Perhaps she saw Reeve as a "collaborator" after that. Or maybe she was just feeling flinty that day from her disorder....

"I wonder if she was autistic. Not being able to read social cues is a symptom."

Certainly makes the "not that sad" that a human being, he former costar suffered a catastrophic injury like complete paralysis

Superman actress Margot Kidder died in house full of thieving meth addicts she was ‘trying to fix’

Sure she wasn't into it too, R172?

Looks like she had a drinking problem, was rehabbed several times in the last few years, but still couldn't stop. She was coming off of a bender when she died.

Geez -- poor lady.

she was very honest and uncensored which was good for her acting and bad for her talk show appearances. She would tell stories about researching roles and the shows would have to cut it out of the broadcast. Margot projected intelligence and was excellent in many roles

R162 I definitely think so. And when first diagnosed with bipolar, she indeed started with meds. She eventually went off them and used natural alternatives.

It's interesting watching the Lois Lane screen tests for SUPERMAN. The overall character and the tone of the material simply fits her best, and her chemistry with Reeve is the strongest. They just mesh the best, out of all the candidates.

There are parts the other actresses went on to play that THEY were better for than Margot Kidder would have been....but she is the best choice for THIS part.

It's obvious.

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I'm surprised more people are replying to the bizarre circumstances surrounding her death. Her house was crawling with meth heads? She was an addictive personality, so how do we know she wasn't one of them?

Or that one of them offed her to get those "pills in her bra?"

aren't replying

Maybe Larry David will hire her.

oops, sorry, VERY wrong thread. Was referring to Roseanne.

Suicide!

Sorry forgot el linko

Margot Kidder used to date Pierre Trudeau (Justin Trudeau's father, who was Prime Minister from 1968-1984).

Margaret Trudeau is also bipolar.

Montana newspapers have picked up the story:

Margot Kidder and Christopher Reeve at the 51st Academy Awards:

I hated his nose job.

R189 ugh so sad knowing what their fates will be.

I should also add that one of my mother's friends, we'll call her Isabel, taught Margot Kidder at a private school in Toronto. She said Margot was a difficult student, everyone assumed family problems. Isabel ended up befriending her after having despised her. They bonded over having lived in remote parts of Canada, and all it entailed. Isabel would tell you that Margot was brilliant, with an undeniable ability to write. The teachers who appreciated her all expected her career to be in writing.

Buy Isabel a glass of Bordeaux and she'll tell a story about something Margot wrote, very early on, that was bought by Playboy. In the end Margot was spitting nails about how Playboy had "castrated" her piece. And she was right.

Over the years, Margot was in and out of contact with Isabel. The last time Isabel spoke to Margot was about a month before her death.

Christopher Reeve & Margot Kidder during the filming of "Superman" in New York's Lower East Side in 1977:

I guess those alternative bipolar meds weren’t doing the job.

I feel so sorry for Margot. She must have had so much pain for so many years. There have been way too many suicides lately. Something is seriously wrong with this world and we need to find a way to make it better.

Suicide. How sad.

How can they tell if it was a suicide and not just a drug overdose.

R197 I'm guessing the dosage found in her system was way too high to be deem accidental.

Yeah, I assume the coroner has reasons for reaching that conclusion.

And Kidder's daughter seems to agree with the findings.

Well that's certainly sad : (

It’s sad to look back and see what a great screen couple that she and Reeve made and then consider the tragic turns that their lives took.

Her sharp Lois Lane, crackling with curiosity and what once was called moxie was a a wonderful counterbalance to his soft, fumbling Clark Kent. And even her angular appearance and raspiness provided a superb contrast to his rounded brawniness and smooth, gentle voice.

I understand that hackneyed phrase “they don’t make ‘em like they used to” better with each passing year.

Is she still dead, OP?

Why is it I remember her defecating in someone's yard?

[quote]Maybe Larry David will hire her.

He's resurrected deader careers than hers, so maybe.

You are thinking of Farrah Fawcett, R205. Margot just hid out in a yard, as far as I know.

Farrh Fawcett dumped in someone's yard????? I knew that Tevin Campbell did, but Farrah??? No clue.

Famously at a party thrown by the head of New Line, I think? Google it, think it's name is deSomething. He had some sort of scandal of his own maybe. Getting a little blurry as time goes on.

HIS name, not "it's". All over the place today.

[quote]r208 Farrh Fawcett dumped in someone's yard????? I knew that Tevin Campbell did, but Farrah??? No clue.

She was a feminist, ahead of her time.

Lettin' it ALL hang out...

Kidder looks so different in Superman 2 vs. Part 1. Did she have plastic surgery? Or something?

Earth spun backwards...

She’s alive again!

Enlivened many a mediocre film. She was of my vintage--makes me nostalgic. She was so funny in Black Christmas. F-e-l-l-a-t-i-o.

She seemed like white trash.

Troll 5488 calls himself her friend ?

With friends like you . . . . . . . . .

I thought this just happened the other day! Come to find out what happened in 2018. Why are we bumping old threads?

[quote] Kidder looks so different in Superman 2 vs. Part 1. Did she have plastic surgery? Or something?

Parts I and II were filed simultaneously over two years. They replaced Dick Donner as director after 75% of it was shot, and Richard Lester, the new director, called folks back to reshoot scenes they had original shot months and months ago. It’s especially noticeable in the Battle of Metropolis at the end of apart II where her hair is much longer and she’s also quite thin.