Eldergays who are/were club goers, how did gay clubs go from playing great house music to shitty EDM?

As a GenXer, it’s not my responsibility. I supported house from 1990-98. Then in NYC Giuliani began to shut clubs which lead to bottle service which lead to the rise of the douchebro clubs and eliminated the cutting edge gay vibe of “clubs”. As of 2000, the gay club scene largely died. Gays today want to sit on Grindr. If there are no gays out there supporting good clubs with great dancing, they won’t exist. Hence the complete absence of dance clubs in Manhattan except for the instep which is primarily supported by the elder gays. You’re welcome.

My first recollections of that really shitty dance music for straight douchebros and suburban weekend hookers (i.e. their girlfriends) go back to David Guetta, Swedish House Mafia, and their ilk, some 8-10 years ago. At the beginning, there was a lot of crossover with the very tacky, commercial end of hip-hop (Flo Rida, Pitbull, etc) and then country-rock. Basically, making it appealing to the lowest common hetero denominator.

This is UK-specific....

I was just old enough to go clubbing in the very late 90s and we were lucky enough to have a selection of clubs playing house, trance, happy hardcore, and hard house, although trance was the best for doing MDMA.

That all changed around 2001, when the clubs started to move over to house, which was renamed funky house, vocal house, bouncy house, dirty house, grimy house, and a few others, but actually all sounded the same. That stuck until 2006 when electro house took over, which then morphed into mainstram "EDM" somewhere between then and 2008.

I stopped clubbing except special occasions around that point, I was getting too old and no longer enjoying it. On the rare occasions I've been into a club the last few years, I've been quite disappointed to see they're not only all playing exactly the same music, but it's the same music they were playing over 10 years ago. There's really no variation at all, it's very very dull.

I feel quite lucky that I first started clubbing when trance was in the ascendancy, even though it was only a brief couple of years. No other dance music compliments MDMA quite as well.

You’re gonna hate me, but I think we can safely blame Madonna. She discovered vogueing and promptly made it commercial to exploit it. She did the same with electronic music in 1998. Yes, it made one of her best albums, but it also mainstreamed legitimate, well-produced and provocative trance music, which promptly was converted into popular commerce.

I loved BT in the 90s. He did really interesting things for a while, went more commercial when he produced some remix tracks for Tori Amos (how I discovered him) and others culminating in the movie GO, and then he went realllly out-there avant garde. He’s a legitimate musician and had a period just before Ray of Light that was commercial but still well produced. He made this one, “Blue Skies,” by piecing together disconnected vocals by Tori Amos. Some dance music producers are actually talented and innovative actual composers and arrangers and players, but I think the mainstreaming of the genre and the easy access to computer production tools made it a free for all that boiled down to the least common denominator.

R4 A club I used to go to used to play Flaming June by BT, the dancefloor would suddenly be jam packed with people holding bottles of water and chewing gum.

I liked his music a lot.

EDM is over in the US. It's still popular in Europe, since they've always liked dance music more over there.

The Chainsmokers and Calvin Harris were huge in the US a couple of years ago, and now their music is flopping. Zedd is still doing okay because his music is more pop and less EDM.

You're right, OP.

EDM is soft electronica for reading or relaxing to.

All the Millenialls' music is slow, chill and sleep-inducing. In the 20th century, that type of music only got played in elevators and/or for the office.

In the 20th century, we had "Muzak." Instrumental, softened versions of pop tunes.

Now we have EDM, and it's mainstream.

GROSS

Billboard says “Tiesto is dubbed the godfather of EDM.” But I really like this song! 😤

Tiesto's remix of Silence was amazing.

This album is great.

I don't recall house music being a gay club mainstay. Gay clubs mostly always have played somewhat shitty music. Problem is that it got shittier and shittier.

It happened in the 90s. Gay clubs in New york always had he best dance music, remixes of top 40 songs you couldn't hear on the radio, house, divas... then sometime in the 90s when the Roxy went bridge and tunnel, it all became the same industrial/techno/edm song........ da, da, da, da-da, da-da, da, da-da. I htink it had to do with xtasy.

I was all about jungle in my misspent youth. My housemate in college was in a punk band and even so, every Tuesday we go and slam around the dance floor.

EDM is not a seperate genre of elextronic music, it is a catch all phrase which stands for all styles of electronic dance music which includes house as well as dubstep, trance, drum and bass/jungle, trap, as well as many hybrid tracks which mix elements of more than one genre.

House music is trash