GAME OF THRONES: pre-Season 8 Chat Thread

Those wrinkles

I miss my Jon Snow

He was fug and a terrible casting choice, the whole internet thought so.

I feel bad criticizing the casting choice, because Wilf Scolding is such a good sport on social media and is cute in his way...but it's awful casting for what Rhaegar is supposed to be: basically the most beautiful and charismatic man one can imagine. He is the benchmark for male beauty in Westeros. Scolding isn't elegant or refined enough - too peasanty-looking. And then they went and made things worse with the reuse of Viserys' wig, as if this shit was your local community theater recycling costumes.

Scolding posted a pic of himself outside a Belfast hotel on his Insta recently, and then just as quickly deleted it. So it seems like we might be seeing Rhaegar again in season 8.

So is Jon going to sleep with Danys ?

r3, Nah, just you. He's gorgeous.

dear r7, plz get yourself lasik surgery, cause AWG

The wigs in GANE OF THRONES aren’t great, certainly compared to the costumes. Nothing Emilia Clarke has worn looks quite real. And Rhaegar’s stringy bleached mop is downright ugly.

No one is hotter than Jaime. NO ONE!

He’s cute, sort of has a Ewan mCgregor vibe.

Kudos to Nikolai Coster-Waldau for making Jaime so noble and lovable considering he started the whole thing by throwing Bran out of the window.

I hope he kills his sister before she gets to him. And then fucks some other people, for a change. Brienne or Sansa, perhaps. Although Sansa may well find happiness with Tyrion.

I hate that that the incest is best theme has reared up again TWICE last season.

Jaime and Circe are at it again and now we have Dany furthering weakening the Targaryen bloodline by fucking her nephew.

Maybe the joke will be that their kid inspire of his decent parents will be a little Joffrey-type psycho and the whole cycle of mad inbred rulers will start again.

That said, I’m going to miss the Lannisters after their inevitable fall.

The show would be less engaging without Cersei.

The Starks are boring except for Jon.

Preach, R4!

[Quote]Kudos to Nikolai Coster-Waldau for making Jaime so noble and lovable considering he started the whole thing by throwing Bran out of the window.

That was the entire character arc from the books.

Throwing Bran out the window seems out of character for Jamie now. Poor writing on GRR part

R16, it’s not if you read the books. Jaime’s arc is long (obviously, the books are), begins with his meeting and antagonism of Brienne and subsequent rescue of her. As a reader, you get Jaime’s POV for these scenes. He loses his sword hand, basically his identity, but also the thing that made him the “Kingslayer.” He nearly dies from infection and tells Brienne the true story of how he got that name. I think she is the only person he has told. He has dreams of his family, particularly his dead mother appearing to him. By the end of the last chapter where we see him throw Cersei’s written summons for help (she in the sept jail) into the fire, it’s startling but in character. GRRM really writes characters well, better than anyone, which is why I’m so anxious for him to finish the books. Jaime’s “redemption arc” is one of the most fascinating aspects in a series filled with richly developed minor characters, like Beria Dondarrion, you want to know more about. His prose might not be that of Cormac McCarthy, but what a story teller.

Agree with R11, YES to more Jaime sex in Season 8!

BeriC not “Beria.”

His nobility drives his decisions and that the guiding light of his life is his devotion to Cersei is his tragedy.

But he doesn’t waver from her. He gave up his birthright and his father. He has not had sex with any one else. He doesn’t lie about or deny his love for her. He even sort of forgave her for “killing” Tommen - which actually isn’t noble and is out of character.

It’s hard to imagine the Starks will spare his life, but still we root for him to make it.

Am I crazy to be rooting for Cersei ?

Genuine question - how will the dragon lady rule if she loses her remaining dragons?

Because what Westerosi houses would bend the knee without them?

Will she make do with her conveniently non-questioning brown troops?

Hei has made horrible character likable. Amazing. I should hate his character but for some reason I don’t.

I feel like there has been less care with these final seasons of GoT, characters able to travel thousands of miles overnight, poor casting choices, the forced pairing of Jon & Dany, awful dialogue, pointless storylines (Arya's entire arc in Braavos). It's just because such a mess,

Forced pairing between Jon and Dany?? Girl their union has been foreshadowed since day 1

Anyone else dislikes Arya ? I’m sorry to see Littlefinger gone tbh

r24, yes but there was no slow build up for the couple or organic chemistry between the actors. This whole relationship was crammed into 5 episodes, unlike Jon and Ygritte which was built up naturally.

R17 Some of his writings are bad. Like what’s the point of the Hound character ? He introduced Oberon and then killed him off not long after, what was the purpose of this character? None.

The series has seemed more superficial and melodramatic since the showrunners veered frome their source material. Seasons 6 and 7 used plot points GRR shared with them, but have otherwise written their own story.

It’s unfortunate, because GRR was supposed to deliver the manuscript of Vol. VI, “ The Winds of Winter,” and is still procrastinating, for whatever reason. It seems GRR is not only taking advantage of his celebrity status, but has overextended himself with additional projects, including a new novel due this fall, about the history of the Targaryeans.

There are many who claim GRR won’t live long enough to complete writing the books. The man is obese, and has remained so. This cannot bode well for his continuing good health.

I only watched the whole series right before season 7 aired. Littlefinger marrying Sansa off to Ramsay barely made sense. It was so out of character for him to do such a stupid thing. OK, so it got her into the North and kind of into Winterfell, but he knew she would be raped and tortured and that if she survived, she would not forgive him for putting her up for that kind of abuse and the Starks would kill him. This guy is smart and sneaky and plays a long game. That was a stupid act.

Then I read that in the books it was Jamie, then with Brienne, who when they found a Winterfell girl posing as Arya Stark, pinned a wolf brooch on her and sent her to Ramsay themselves!

So obviously the reason for Littlefinger's TV death must be different to GRRM's (I assume he hasn't written that bit yet?).

Also, what was weird was how no one at King's Landing really have a shit about how their spy network collapsed when Varys took off. And when he turned up with Dany and Jon and Tyrion no one so much as gave him a dirty look. I guess that is because Conleth Hill was in a play at the time of filming and barely featured in the past season? Because I can't say he would have been thrilled with how Dany was playing things.

r29, they should have masqueraded Sansa as Littlefinger's niece and made the Boltons think that was who Ramsay was marrying.

[quote]Throwing Bran out the window seems out of character for Jamie now. Poor writing on GRR part

Uh, this is sarcasm, I hope. Redemption is a pretty big theme in GRRM's characters' arcs. Along with Jaime, the Hound and Theon are perfect examples.

[quote] Littlefinger marrying Sansa off to Ramsay barely made sense. It was so out of character for him to do such a stupid thing. OK, so it got her into the North and kind of into Winterfell, but he knew she would be raped and tortured and that if she survived, she would not forgive him for putting her up for that kind of abuse and the Starks would kill him.

R29, you have this wrong. I just re-watched this episode yesterday, but take note of Littlefinger's conversation with Cersei back at the capitol. Littlefinger *didn't* know that Sansa would be raped and tortured. He even says to Ramsay that he's not heard anything about him. Littlefinger's end game was to get Sansa back in WF so after Stannis' army attacks the Boltons, he can go in there with the Vale army to wipe out whoever is left, thereby leaving him open to marrying Sansa and becoming Warden of the North (as well as the East). By promising Sansa to Roose Bolton's newly legitimized bastard he's also setting up Bolton as a traitor, which he was quick to inform Cersei of while neglecting to mention that he arranged the whole thing. Cersei is so pissed at Bolton's apparent defiance ("I knew we should have never trusted that turncoat!") that she wants to march on WF, but the weather has turned and they are too far away. It is then that LF offers the Vale Army, which puts him in a position to have his forces ready to go at a moment's notice once the battle between Stannis and the Boltons is done and also has the King owing him a favor. This is why the army of the Vale is waiting at Moat Cailin when Jon & Sansa battle Ramsay's army at WF and they were able to show up to save the day. They were literally a stone's throw away.

It was actually one of his better plans. Where he was misguided was not delving deeper into Ramsay and his proclivities. This blind spot is what led to his fracture with Sansa. She told him that she never wanted to see him again UNTIL they couldn't muster up any more of the Stark bannermen to their cause, which is when she sneakily asked for his aid. That was LF's specialty - working behind the scenes to move players around until he becomes indispensable to whomever is in power.

[quote]Also, what was weird was how no one at King's Landing really have a shit about how their spy network collapsed when Varys took off.

It didn't collapse. Qyburn took over Vary's network of "little birds" and they now report to him. He takes care of their health and their families and offers them chocolates. Qyburn even gets them to murder Pycelle. Varys became a traitor to the Crown as soon as he helped Tyrion escape, so his head was destined for the chopping block were he to show up in KL again. Of course, when he does return, he's part of Daenarys' court and the Dragonpit is neutral ground. I think Cersei was reserving all of her dirty looks for her father-killing brother, Tyrion.

Ah, I missed that scene with Cersei. However, I remember him saying to Ramsay that he hadn’t heard anything about him and gave a big eye roll. It was a line written specifically to plug the a plot hole of Littlefinger not doing his research.

[quote]Littlefinger *didn't* know that Sansa would be raped and tortured.

I find it very hard to believe that the Westeros’ literal head pimp didn’t hear about the sexual proclivities of a man who is that sexually bizarre. It makes no sense that it would be all that a much secret among the servants and prostitute classes. People talk. His father couldn’t stop that.

[R16] = idiot

[quote] I think Cersei was reserving all of her dirty looks for her father-killing brother, Tyrion.

Hardly likely that no one gave a thought to the once loyal, very senior traitor who masterminded Tyrion's escape! It was typical of the glib writing of the last season. As was the way Mr Exposition Bron decided to nip out at the same time for no other reason that Headey and Flynn cannot be within 100 yards of each other.

It was a very dense yet very underwritten season and I really don't think the writers have it in themselves to worldbuild without the guidance of the books. I guess the cast is becoming too expensive to appropriately play it out at the same rate as the early episodes.

I miss Tommen and his pussy.

R31 senseless ramblings

R34 = dolt

Cersei wanted to have Roose and Ramsay flayed "like that wretch on their bloody sigil" for betraying the Lannisters and acquiring Sansa. I think every viewer would have loved that.

Would Jamie be the one to bring about the end of Cersei ? Or is that a foregone conclusion ?

r40, Arya kills Cersei wearing Jaime's face. Tyrion betrays Jon and Dany and defects back to Cersei, and on his way to escort her out of King's Landing (which has been seized), Arya meets them in the secret tunnels beneath the city. Cersei is euphoric, thinking Jaime has come back to her and orders him to kill Tyrion. Arya in Jaime's face then murders Tyrion, before revealing her true identity to Cersei and stabbing the screaming queen to death. It's fucking amazing.

R41 you wish

R27, it’s funny you mention Oberyn. When I was reading the series, and was on the third (best?) book, my friend kept saying, “Have you met the Red Viper yet? He’s my favorite character in the whole series!” When Oberyn duly made his appearance, I was shocked that Gregor Clegane, awful sadistic brute, killed him off - just when Oberyn was winning! It was so wrong. (The show followed that scene nearly verbatim, btw). But that’s what makes the books so good. A character you think will come in and be a new leading hero or villain can be extinguished, just like that, by a POS like The Mountain.

When I said to my friend, “Oberyn appeared and then he died! That’s your favorite?” He said, “Yup, he shows up, is awesome, then dies.”

I have to add, and I think I’ve noted this before, the DREAD GRRM gave to the Catelyn Stark POV chapter just before the Red Wedding was very well done.

R43 It’s not ‘good’ writing to kill someone unexpectedly. Just a convenient way to erase a character you are not sure what to do with, I call it sloppy writing,

At what point in the TV show are the books up to?

^^^^^^ HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hodor/hold the door was dumb. Was that in the book or some tv writer came up with it ?

It was told to the show runners by GRRM, as something that would be happening in the books.

And I was hoping for something deep and meaningful

Seriously, up to what part of the timeline have the books covered?

R50, it’s different for each character, really. Is there anyone specifically you’d like to know about?

GRRM must feel so betrayed by D&D. I have no doubt that them veering off the canon material has given him writers block and made him incapable of completing Winds of Winter.

I have a sneaking suspicion that GRRM doesn't know how to end the books. Many writers can't figure out how to end things, which is why a lot of beloved series have terrible endings. He probably also feels like he can't end it with a happy ending since just about every plot point in the books ends tragically.

Also Rhaegar is not even half as attractive as he needs to be for the fan theory about him and Lyanna. The only decent explanation is that D&D are running with the kidnapping and rape explanation even though they've already hinted it's bullshit.

R53 He just kills off characters when he runs out of ideas what to do with them plot wise. It’s easier that way. GRRM is not a great writer people make him out to be.

Very hot guy.

He's adorable, and he reminds me of my ex. Great pic of him in his Chef's uniform. His hair is cuter on the forehead too.

I wonder if some minor character will win the throne?

R57 if it’s a minor character, nobody would care

I hope Sansa out survives Arya.

[quote]Also Rhaegar is not even half as attractive as he needs to be for the fan theory about him and Lyanna. The only decent explanation is that D&D are running with the kidnapping and rape explanation even though they've already hinted it's bullshit.

What? Fan theory? Hinted at? This is all official now.

They literally found the marriage records and showed Rhaegar and Lyanna's wedding on screen.

[quote]He introduced Oberon and then killed him off not long after, what was the purpose of this character? None.

The death of Oberyn jump starts the Dorne plotline, which granted was pretty bundled in the show.

Casting fugs as Raegar and Renly who were supposed to be the hottest sexiest men in Westros is reflection on the hetero show runners. Perhaps GOT needs to hire Smallvilles CD.

R60

Oh right, I forgot.

Then they really dropped the ball on casting someone hot enough to justify Lyanna abandoning her familial responsibilities and indirectly getting her father and brother killed and starting a war.

Looks very ordinary in op ‘s pic. Any other pics ?

R63 Hot is subjective, look at some of the spouses of hot stars

He looks perfectly nice in real life. Like Martin Freeman’s much handsomer brother.

If he looked perfectly nice on the show, ok, good. But he loooked pretty terrible as he appeared..

But is he as hot as his onscreen son Jon !

Book V ends with Jon Snow getting assassinated by his own men, the same as the end of Season 5.

Seasons 6 and 7 were both created by the showrunners. No idea how much they have veered from GRRM’s concept. He may be blocked on it, but he’s so overextended with other projects, not to mention enjoying his newfound celebrity, that we may never see the publication of the last two proposed novels.

R53 Maybe George will do a Stephen King a la 'The Dark Tower' and write himself into the story? Still the worst twist of any book series in the history of shitty writing

R69, George already did write himself into the story, to some extent. (I don’t think he has a brother named Dickon, but otherwise there are a lot of parallels....)

I love how, through the years, we went from hating Cersei to feeling empathy for, and even supporting, Cersei.

I want her to win! The dragon queen is a fucking bore.

[quote]But is he as hot as his onscreen son Jon !

Son, he's not as hot as The fucking Hound.

In the books, Cersei orders Jon's murder by the Night's Watch. It was an inside job.

I don't get why people are so obessed with Jon Snow. Jaime is much hotter!

I want Jaime to have sex with someone he doesn’t share significant DNA with.

I’ll take Bronn at this point.

Another question: apart from Jon and Dany, who else has Targaryen blood? Is it just Gendry and Brienne?

Brienne doesn't have Targ blood.

Just Jon, Dany and Gendry.

Total people with Targ blood on the show was Dany, Jon, Gendry, Robert, Renly, Stannis, Shereen, Maester Aemon.

OOPs my mistake, there is a chance that Brienne does have a smidge of Targ in her.

OK then.

Brienne as the winner of the game of thrones. Jaime as her Queensguard and lover.

I thought the guy who played Renly was hot.

Oh and I forgot Viseris. It was so long ago that he was on the show. A major Targ.

Typical that the dragon named after Viserys would be the the first to croak.

The show hasn't veered from the source material, they've run out of source material!

They've passed the end of the 5th book and are presumably working from the outline GRRM gave them, which is why the pace is so much faster and the plot developments are so much bigger. And I'm one who thinks that GRRM will never finish the books because he can't, his method of just vaguely following characters around is fundamentally flawed, he's literally lost the plot. At the rate he's writing it'll take about fifty more books to finish the story, and at the rate he writes that'll take at least five hundred years. Not happening.

As an example of how well LIttlefinger plays the long game, I'm going to bring up the story of the False Arya from the books.

In book one, Sansa has a younger friend she brings with her to King's Landing, Jayne Poole. Jayne's father dies with Ned Stark and when Sansa is taken hostage, she runs to the Small Council and demands to know what's become of Jayne. None of them give a shit, but Littlefinger pipes up and says he'll make sure she's given a home with a noble family. Sansa is happy with this and the readers are all horrified, because Sansa has no idea Littlefinger is the city's #1 brothel keeper and we do!

About four books later, Littlefinger brings "Arya Stark" back to Winterfell and offers her to Ramsay as his bride, and it turns out that he's been keeping her somewhere quiet (and virgin) all this time, because he might have use for a girl who can imitate Arya. So sure enough, Ramsay marries her thinking he's legitimizing his family claim to the North, and Littlefinger is probably planning the same dodge of telling Cersei that the Boltons are traitors because they're marrying the Stark girl. Yeah, Littlefinger plays the long game, and the TV writers did kind of slip up with him in the last couple of seasons. He should have known more about Ramsay, and done a much better job of defending himself when Sansa turned against him.

R74 the way t he TV show handled that was more effective, IMO. Having the Boltos attempt to kill Jon, by sending Locke up to the NW worked out well.

Really, you could skip from Season 1 to Season 8 and pretty much follow. Most of these main players ofwho it was strongly implied in. Season 1 were the most throneworthy are there - Daenerys, Jon and the Stark girls, the Lannister siblings - and are fighting each other and the ice zombies.

Jaime Lannister was never "the most beautiful man in Westeros."

Jon Snow, Rob Stark, Jason Momoa, Loras Tyrell; even Renley and Theon Greyjoy get my dick before the old douchebag Jaime.

Who is that in r87’s picture?

That's Oliver the whore who fucked Loras and then turned on him, and he also was at the brothel to fuck Oberyn.

I belong to the small school of those who believe Tyrion will betray Dany and Jon in season 8. I think the fucker wants to be king. I've seen this floated in other sites and I believe it.

r85, the Boltons didn't send Locke to kill Jon, you idiot. They sent him to find Bran and Rickon and bring them back.

No they sent him to the Wall to kill Jon. Yes, he was also supposed to try to find out if Bran and Rickon were still alive and where they might be. But I distinctly remember a conversation where Roose speculated that both boys might not have survived on the run.

R90, if Tyrion betrays Dany and Jon, it won't be because he wants to be king. He doesn't seem to have a personal end game, he's been too much of a mess, I don't think he's wanted anything for himself but his next drink and maybe reclaiming his birthright of being lord of the westerlands some day.

Remember the prophecy, that Dany will be betrayed three times - "Once for blood and once for gold and once for love"? I think the betrayal for love is yet to come, and Tyrion is an excellent candidate to deliver it. He was NOT happy when he saw Dany with Jon, Dario wasn't a threat to his relationships with Dany but Jon is. Of course Jon is also a potential betrayer, if he's Azor Ahai reborn, remember that the original had to kills his wife in order to beat the ice zombies...

Realistically Tyrion wants the love of his family more than he wants the love of Dany.

If at the very end it came down to, day, Dany or Jaime, he'd support Jaime in a second.

Wilf Scolding is hot. I like those big British noses.

So who will run out and buy GRRM's history of the Targaryens?

Yawn.

r92, the Boltons never sent Locke to kill Jon. You're getting confused with Season 6, where Ramsay suggests to Roose that they have Jon killed. Roose balks at this, stating that Jon is the Lord Commander of the night's watch.

I thought this guy was kinda cute in the OP but then I saw his Instagram profile pic. Yikes! Why would he choose that as his pic? And why is he still working as a chef if he's in Game of Thrones?

he is awg personified.

[quote]And why is he still working as a chef if he's in Game of Thrones?

What, do you believe the offers have flown in from Lucasfilm, Christopher Nolan and Shonda Rhimes due to him appearing for mere seconds in a single episode of Game of Thrones?

😂

I think Dany is the equivalent of a power hungry leader, fueled by vengeance, armed with nuclear weapons.

Free of dragons, she is impressive, but has little substance.

They should bring his character back....

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Daenerys Targaryen – 83.77% chance of death

Jaime Lannister – 72.91% chance of death

Tyrion Lannister – 70.76% chance of death

Bran Stark – 66.02% chance of death

Cersei Lannister – 60.39% chance of death

Jon Snow – 58.99% chance of death

Euron Greyjoy – 54.95% chance of death

Sansa Stark – 50.28% chance of death

Arya Stark – 49.04% chance of death

Gendry – 39.87% chance of death

Am watching Season 6 and legit stop breathing when I see Jaime in armour. He’s so handsome.

I mean OMG

Leather bae

Jamie is devastatingly hot, and not just because he's a good-looking man. He's also witty and charming, posh and exquisitely mannered, and a total bitch when he wants to tell someone off.

Wanting to get him away from THAT BITCH is a natural human instinct! Literally anyone in the entire world would be better for him.

I love Jaime's personality.

He’s so self possessed. He even owns the sister fucking because he is honest enough to admit he loves Cersei and she has been his only sexual partner. And he only reacts with a mere glare when Bronn or Euron tease him about liking blondes.

Bronn seemed convinced Jaime and Brienne had a thing. Remember when he was teasing Podrick about it? Brienne rode into Jaime's camp when he was getting ready to fight the Blackfish.

As I look back n this whole entire series, I have to say that Benioff and Weiss did an outstanding job of casting everyone.

It's true, the casting has been excellent. Everyone was good to start with, and those who have stayed with their roles have gotten better and better with time. Even most of the child actors have grown up to be spot-on!

Even the small roles, like Hot Pie and Robin Arryn are quite perfect. Somehow they managed to pick a perfect child actor, who grew up to be the ideal young adult version of the character. They really have done as good a job as could be done.

Agreed. This is the best casted show in history.

Talk about great casting. Dame Diana Rigg was on CBS Sunday Morning talking about her career resurgence and mentioned Game of Thrones. Lady Olenna was the one of my top five characters on the show. She tangled with the best on the show: Tywin, Cersei, The High Sparrow.

I wasn't a reader of the book but I do know that book fans had misgivings about some of the casting, for example the complaint that Iain Glen as Jorah is too good looking whereas book Jorah was a short, hairy sleaze who kept propositioning Dany. But I'm glad they rejiggered Jorah's demeanor for the show and I love looking at Glen.

Yeah, Iain Glenn is very hot and absolutely “and she isn’t fucking him WHY?” territory.

R114 it's jut a guess, but IMO the whole Jorah/Dany relationship is an homage by Benioff & Weiss to the chivalric code of unconsummated adoration/love. It's very old school in terms of the classic novels of Dumas, and others and those old, old movies where the heroine is "loved from afar." Jorah is an example of unconditional love. Their whole relationship dynamic would be ruined if they got together in any other way than they are now. He adores her. Literally.

I wonder if Tyrion is going to try to get with Sansa again. Tyrion has no idea Bran "sees things." Bran knows what Tyrion and Cersei discussed, and maybe even Varys and Tyrion at some point. I'm sorry but I believe there will be a betrayal. I think Tyrion will betray Dany at a critical moment. Or try to. She'll be ready for him and so will Jorah. The book Tyrion is not a good person. I think in the HBO version Tyrion wants to be the King of Westeros. he will justify it by saying he has watched everyone else fuck it up, and he can do a much better job. I can almost write his speech revealing this.

Tyrion won't try to get with Sansa again any time soon, he's sworn off women in general and may have fallen for Dany without realizing it. And Sansa, of course, never wants a man to touch her again, although hopefully she's gained a new appreciation for how kind Tyrion was to her during their fake marriage.

If they ever remarry, it'll be for political reasons, which isn't impossible. Of course, they may spend time together when everybody gets together at Winterfell for Jon and Dany's upcoming wedding (no I haven't heard any rumors, I just expect it). Sansa has become someone that Tyrion should find genuinely interesting, and she'll be happy to have her first "husband" squire her around to keep other suitors at bay. She's a big fish in the northern marriage market now, but she'll want ways to keep hopeful suitors away without offending them.

Does Bran know literally everything?

When the ice dragon blasted through the wall, did everyone in the keep die?

Bran knows the past, and he knows the present. It is debatable whether he knows the future. Some say he can know the future but he hasn't tapped into it. It's vague on TV.

No, R119, it's believed that Tormund and possibly Beric escaped and went to Winterfell. Or to Castle Black. I'm betting Castle Black.

YOu know one of the very predictable "shockers" is going to be seeing some of our favorites turned into zombies? I'm betting Hodor will be a blue eyed devil! Possibly Edd too.

The whole Ramsay storyline contributed nothing to the show. You could cut it out and it wouldnt effect the overall narrative. Such a waste of time.

Jaime is old. His character is a petulant, spoiled, corrupt and cruel douchebag. Pompous.

His looks and appeal are for basic fräulein. Not Gay Hot at all.

I don’t want Arya to survive. The actress is so smug on screen.

R124, I'm actually impressed with how David Benioff and Dan Weiss wrote the characters of Sansa and Arya, among others. IMO the two girls remain true to their basic personalities, the children we saw in Season one, but as they have grown and matured and gone through all the terrible stuff, they are still true to the image that was originally portrayed. I don't see her as smug. Underneath her bravado and bad assed image she is still Arya and I think when she sees Jon again for the first time in years, and she sees Gendry, we are going to see a softer less "smug" side of her. I hope the show gives us at least a hint that Bran tells Jon what Arya went through to become an assassin.

[quote]The whole Ramsay storyline contributed nothing to the show. You could cut it out and it wouldnt effect the overall narrative. Such a waste of time.

It gave Jon (and Sansa) an antagonist to conquer and reclaim Winterfell and become King of the North.

True, R126, but there were parts of it I hated. The whole Theon storyline. Was all that done so we could get an idea of Ramsey's perverse need to mutilate and terrorize? Was Theon's entire purpose to betray Robb, then rescue Sansa? It just seemed to drag on endlessly. Couldn't they have conveyed all those things in less time?

I wonder how Samwell will react when he discovers that Dany roasted his brother and his father? Will Bran break the news to him? I'm also looking forward to Jaime and Bran meeting again? And WTF will Jon say when he sees Jaime? I guess Brienne and Tyrion will speak for him, but Dany will remain a skeptic and so will Jon. I guess they'll be wary of him until he proves himself.

I agree the Theon tortue scenes did drag, GRRM left that all off-screen in the books. We just meet up with Theon later and find he is a broken man.

Some of these characters have been on a redemption arc. Jaime and Theon re both capable of terrible deeds but have also worked to redeem themselves.

[quote]I wonder how Samwell will react when he discovers that Dany roasted his brother and his father?

He will storm out and storm back over the course of 15 minutes.

If I don't hear a casting announcement for Selwyn Tarth anytime soon, I'm going to flip my shit. There's no way this story can be wrapped up in anything approaching a satisfactory manner without this character providing his side of the story as well. And slapping Brienne viciously for making his life a living hell while he's at it.

Who is Selwyn Tarth for the uninitiated, r132? Brienne's father?

Ramsay was in the story so that the Starks would have to FIGHT for Winterfell, because letting them have a safe home base through the whole story just isn't dramatic enough. No, they had to fight for their home and win it to really come into their own, plus GRRM and the show's writers got to play out all their most perverse fantasies while the little shit was on.

As for Theon, IMHO his true purpose in the saga is yet to be revealed. He's got to do something important before it all wraps up, to justify having such an annoying character have so much screen time.

[quote]Who is Selwyn Tarth for the uninitiated, [R132]? Brienne's father? Yes.

[quote]As for Theon, IMHO his true purpose in the saga is yet to be revealed. He's got to do something important before it all wraps up, to justify having such an annoying character have so much screen time

He's on a redemptive arc with helping Sansa and now with going to rescue Yara. I think his travails are to strengthen him and show him as being less selfish then how he was in S1.

I think Theon was given too much storyline and too much time. IMO he has always been a minor character , but then I also regard Ramsey and Roose as minor characters. They culd have taken an entire epsidoe's worth of time away from Theon and given it to someone more interesting. I would have loved to see more Oberyn Martell.

The final season will only have six episodes and even if there are a few extended episodes, six is still a short amount of time to service everyone. Now that Bran knows about Jon and Dany's connection, we don't need a focus on Sam and Gilly. I only want to see Euron if he's being killed by Theon. What is Sansa's purpose now?

As much as I love Yara I think Theon will end up as the leader of the Iron Islands. Someone in another GOT thread said that the Ironborn will never follow a dickless man. However, he is being set up for big time redemption and he's on a mission to rescue Yara with the Ironborn following him. I read a spoiler (no idea if it's legit) that Euron rapes and impregnates Yara then cuts the baby out of her. She dies, Theon kills Euron, and I think the the Ironborn will name Theon king and Yara's child will be his heir.

Eww! I never heard that rumor. But I will say this. Killing women in childbirth is getting trite. If they kill Dany in childbirth as the rumor has it, I will be pissed off. Lyanna died in Childbirth, Tyrion's mother died in childbirth, Cersei is supposed to lose her baby to a miscarriage. It's all getting to be too much. Oh. And let's not forget Robb Stark's wife at the Red Wedding. So they need to think of some other plot lines. And please do not kill Jon Snow again. he died already. The he almost died another time. So enough. I want some surprising plot twist and I want Dany and Jon Snow to live. Period.

If I were writing the show I'd have Arya decide to go back to Braavos and be a professional assassin. Sansa would marry Gendry and Brienne and Jaime would get High Garden, Samwell & Gilly would get his old homestead and Davos would get Stannis old castle. Dragon stone. Missandei and Greyworm would live too. And they would get Dorne. Tyrion can have Casterly Rock, and Varys would be hand of the king and queen. Done. I'd put The Hound in charge of the King's guard. Bronn could r esume his role as the guy who keeps the peace in King's Landing.

Can everyone please be a dear and post a SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS alert or something, before you post spoilers? Thanks!

As for Sam and Gilly being witness to Jon's claim to the throne, R137, they have to be there around as Bran isn't considered a reliable witness. Personally I think Jon is going to end up as King of Westeros both by right of birth, right of marriage, and by right of saving the whole fucking world, but he can't establish his right of birth on Bran's word alone. Bran is thought to be batshit crazy as well as crippled, and believe me Sansa and Arya aren't out there telling the world that Bran knows the secrets of the universe, they're learning the secrets and keeping the source quiet! No, Jon will need the word of Sam, who's known to be sane and studious as well as well-connected, and who is probably going to do something super-heroic soon because GRRM likes him so much.

R141 by the time season 8 begins it will have been over 2 years since season 7. Anyone who has not seen, let alone seen multiply the entire series is simply an idiot. THERE IS NOTHING TO SPOIL BECAUSE EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW EVERYTHING UP TO NOW.

Please go fuck yourself.

Everyone dies.

Um...pretty sure [R141] is talking about the potential S8 spoiler in [R138]

Whoever did those algorithms at r103 is pretty stupid.

It's been predicted that Cersei will be killed by "her little brother"; therefore there is a 100% chance we will see it in the show's final season since all predictions on GoT eventually come true and are shown to us.

Speculation is speculation.

Speculation is what keeps interest up.

Speculate away.

They all die.

Actually, the prophecy that Cersie will be killed by her younger brother is not included in the TV show.

That was book only.

More Olyvar (Will Tudor) nudity from GoT, just because.

[quote]Actually, the prophecy that Cersie will be killed by her younger brother is not included in the TV show. That was book only.

Then it will definitely happen in the book: GRRM has it planned.

Thus it will also definitely happen in the TV show since they've based the final seasons on what he has told them will happen in the books.

Maybe Theon will kill Cersei. He's "a younger brother." And as I recall it just said "the valonquar" which meant younger. I really don't care who kills Cersei. I hope it's Arya personally. I think it would be cool for Arya to kill Qyburn and then use his face to kill Cersei while The Hound and the Mountain hack away at one another. And Right now, there is no inside information. Here is where I see the problem. Once it's ovver, you will have extras and crew members who are not as invested in keeping secrets and they will sell out. We will start hearing stuff in a few months when they finish. I was on one fan site where they keep track on Instagram of the shooting, and they said Sansa and Dany are almost finished shooting or have finished shooting, and the girl who plays Arya is still shooting a lot of scenes. Obviously they aren't shooting it in chronological order but I found it intriguing that Arya would have so much work. I also recall reading that the last season, every episode would be close to 90 minutes.

I don't think the ultimate fate of major characters like Cersei will be very different than what GRRM has planned.

On the press tour for Solo, Emelia has said she's not done yet, but she has filmed her final chronological scene.

The Theon storyline [R136] was because all the torture happens "offscreen" in the book and they didn't want to have Alfie gone for that long.

I think they learned their lesson, since they had Bran off screen for season 5 instead of showing him at Wizard Lessons.

The guy who plays Bran or maybe it's the way his character is written, but IMO he is the weakest one of the bunch.

I think Isaac Hempstead Wright's (Bran) acting choice was to play Three Eyed Raven as someone who is largely disassociated from his humanity, so he plays him as emotionless which comes across as boring at times. But prior scenes, even as late as when he would revisit the past with the Three Eyed Raven shows he's a decent actor. I think at times he's been better than Sophie Turner.

Isaac is definitely a better actor than Sophie. When the kids were younger, he was exceptionally good. His scene at WF when Theon is hacking off Ser Roderick's head still haunts me. But as for Bran's current incarnation, it wasn't so much an acting choice, as it was written in the script. David and Dan told IWH that Bran was basically Dr. Manhattan now, so they wanted that detached monotone voice as the boy is barely more than a supercomputer. I find Bran so tragic. He's one of my favorite characters in the books, for sure, but I've always enjoyed Bran scenes and his little motley crew in the show. I miss Osha.

R154 I strongly disagree.. I thought Sophie Turner did an excellent job. Not much was demanded of Isaac. Sophie began as a very annoying young girl who infuriated me and in a way both apparent and yet subtle, she has grown and changed and still maintained the consistency of her character ans the sister who always wanted to be a Lady. There has been nothing subtle or nuanced about Bran transforming into the 3 eyed raven.. IHW was lucky to be surrounded by some very accomplished actor. Max Von Sydow, and the actors who portrayed Meera and Jojen Reed, and Osha made him look good, acted circles around him. I blame Dan Weiss and David Benioff to a large extent because maybe they didn't give his character many opportunities to shine. But I still feel IHW is the weakest actor in the series.

Casting kids who are expected to grow up into adult characters is hugely risky, and IMHO that's one of the reasons I've been praising the casting on this show so highly. Most of the kids on the show have grown up to be just what they need to be, especially Maisie Williams and Sophie Turner. Turner in particular is excellent, she's gone from annoying spoiled brat to ladylike hostage to scary power player and been excellent throughout, and that's more than you can say for some of the adult actors whose characters have gone through big changes.

The Bran kid hasn't been as impressive, but then his role isn't very well written and is pretty much impossible to play impressively. Now, he's not a person, he's an exposition dump.

I saw some pictures in the Daily Mail ( I know) of Jon Snow, Jaime Lannister, and Ser Davos enjoying the weekend at the Gran Prix in Monaco, and I realized that it's the characters that make Jon & Jaime hot, not the real life men. The real life men are "meh." It's amazing what a suit of armor or a heavy cape can do for a guy.

R157 Same can be said about a fancy military outfit - it makes plain balding Harry into a Prince.

And professional hair, make-up, and lighting r157.

It takes a village to get to the final product you see on screen.

Yeah, Kit Harrington is beautiful on the show, and pretty unremarkable in real life. And Emilia Harris is beautiful as Danerys, and without the blonde wig she's just cute. The cinematographers really do a bang-up job of not just making Westeros seem real, but of making the actors look their best.

Except for Coster-Waldau, who is hot in any context.

You know nothing, Jon Snow.

Man, that girl pissed me off.

But the worst was Talisa, but that actress has a permanently smug facial expression.

[quote]It's amazing what a suit of armor or a heavy cape can do for a guy.

The same with the second Daario. He's attractive enough, but not as hot as when he's in costume.

2nd Daario is an adorable hipster, whereas 1st Daario was more of a classical romance novel type.

Ugh. The first Daario Neharis was Fabio. The second one I really liked He was hot. But he is also a chameleon as an actor. He can look very bland and unimpressive or he can have a sexy swagger. I'e seen Nicolaj Coaster Waldau on Talk Shows and he is delightful. So is Kit Harrington. But they are definitely not the sexiest beasts out here.

I agree Turner has been amazing and has been consistently one of the finest actors on the show.

No, R164, Coster-Wauldau IS the sexiest beast out there, at least to me.

I mean he's not a perfect beauty, but he's tall, fit and handsome, as well as clever, and sophisticated, and possessed of a sense of humor. He is everything I want in a man... or rather, as an actor he's really good at portraying everything I want in a man. Which gives me yet another reason to hate Cersei, she really has stepped to the front as the character I love to hate, and filled the enormous gap left by Joffrey. Ramsay just wasn't interesting enough.

[quote]I agree Turner has been amazing and has been consistently one of the finest actors on the show.

Turner is not that great. The best "child" actor is definitely Maisie Williams.

Maisie Williams looks like a female Nick Frost, the poor dear.

In order to pass time during the long wait, I've been going on You Tube to review some of my favorite scenes. IMO, top of the list is Cersei blowing up the Sept of Baylor. That entire sequence especially the orchestration, as well as the pacing, the acting, all of it, really was exquisite. The composer the director, the editing, they all deserve awards and more.

As for acting, that scene of Olenna's final moments is always pointed out for her acting, but I watch it for Nicolaj Coster Waldau. His perfomance was elegant, subtle and just perfect. it was also well written. The dialogue, the sparring, all done quietly, calmly and then the coup de grace : " Tell Cersei. I want her to know it was me!"

So who do you predict will have the most successful career post Thrones?

I think most of them will continue to be journeyman actors.

Love both those scenes, R169, the Sept of Baylor was one of the most awesome things ever made for TV!

And I was so sad to see Olenna go, but at least she went out with a great final scene. And BTW one of my favorite things about that scene was what she didn't say... she took full credit for the assassination of King Joffrey, when in fact Littlefinger conspired with her. She didn't name him, didn't give him any credit... because while she'd been defeated, he was still out there trying to take the Lannisters down and they didn't have a clue. She wanted him to have his chance, and wasn't that gracious of her.

Wow, R172. I hadn't even thought of it that way. I just thought she wanted full credit for it. But yeah, that's a good interpretation. The first couple of times I watched that scene is was all about Olenna But then I started to focus on Jaime. And he nails it. I thought Nicolaj Coster Waldau was brilliant in that scene. But then I also thought he was brilliant last season in general. In fact if I had to name who I thought won the seasons it would have been him in Season 7.

r41- Arya will have to kill Jaime to wear his face. So according to you, she kills the Big 3 Lannisters.

That's a great scene R41, but I think if Arya kills Cersei, she will do it with Qyburn's face. Jaime Lannister will not die. He will not be killed. He will ride off into the sunset with Brienne!!!!!!! They will rule both Casterly Rock and Selwyn Tarth's holdings together. I really want to know who is going to get High Garden and Dorne. Those are two huge prizes. I want Missandei and Grey Worm to get Dorne. I think Bronn is gonna die. There will be The Riverlands, The Fingers, Dragonstone all the spoils of war. I don't want Tormund to die. Or Varys. I don't care about Tyrion. He wasn' himself the last season.

I think Arya will need to be “punished” for her career as an assassin.

I don't think so, R176. Arya is not a murderer. She's an executioner. GRRM must have lifted Arya wiping out the Freys traight out of Greek mythology, because there was soething Mythic about it. Bran knows. I wonder if he will share Arya's exploits with the Jon and Sansa.

Her character is becoming a bit too like a live action anime heroine.

GRRM basically said that Arya makes it to the end (because she’s his wife’s favorite character) but I don’t know if the show will follow suit. Probably. Arya is my least favorite character.

I thought Sansa was the wife's favorite character?

As for Arya, she's taken power from a Death Cult, from the God of Death. No fictional character can take that kind of power without giving death in return, so I don't think Arya is going to make it to the very end, I think Jacquen is going to re-appear and take her with him for the last time. I also think Bran is going to fade out of this world, and that Sansa will be the last of the Stark children, and will end the story as the true, rightful, competent, and unhappy ruler of the North. Bittersweet indeed.

No it is definitely Arya. As r179 said GRRM always jokes that his wife will leave him if anything happens to Arya.

I don't see Arya surviving though, she just seems like she will die. There was even some pretty clear foreshadowing in book one.

... GRRM is never going to finishe these books, is he?

I agree with R180. I think Jaq'en Hagar is going to reappear and take her with him. She'll leave, but not die. She will be out there somewhere. Although, if the story ends with Dany and Jon on the throne, and the Night King vanquished, and peace in the land, there will be no cause for the House of Black and White to survive. They were assassins. With Cersei and Euron gone no one is left to assassinate.

[quote]Although, if the story ends with Dany and Jon on the throne, and the Night King vanquished, and peace in the land, there will be no cause for the House of Black and White to survive. They were assassins. With Cersei and Euron gone no one is left to assassinate.

Do you mean no one left for Arya to assassinate? Because the show strictly focuses on Westeros and there are other lands outside of Westeros. Also there are other terrible people in Westeros who surely deserves being killed.

[quote]... GRRM is never going to finishe these books, is he?

Nope. I've mentally accepted that already, sad, I've been a fan of these books since before this show was ever a thing. At least I will get some ending from the show.

The ending is supposed to be “bittersweet”; so it will not be Dany and Jon on the throne.

R186 I've also read that the ending was "very satisfying" and the cast felt good about it.

Emilia Clark didn't sound "satisfied." I don't think she was happy with where her character ended up. Vanity Fair interview.

If the rumors are true, I will be very unhappy with where Dany ends up. Why did the series invest so much time in her for her not to be endgame?

Well look at Dany' story arc. She starts out as a pawn. She's abused and threatened by her brother and treated like chattel. She learns how to use her sexuality and her position to advance herself in the society of the Dothraki. Not an easy thing to do. She hatches those damned dragon eggs finds a way to survive and eventually puts together an army. She gets the Dothraki to join her after she burns all their leaders alive and shows them she cannot be burned. She aquires allies, and experience as a ruler and she finally has the ships she needs to go to Westeros. "I was born to rule!!!" Now she meets Jon. They fuck. We learn that "Jon is Aegon, the TRUE ruler of the Iron Throne." The rumors are that Dany gets pregnant and dies in childbirth. If that proves to be the way her character goes out, I would be really pissed off if I were Emilia.

I will add that that is one of many unproven rumors about how Game of THrones ends. Personally I don't think it's true. I don't see D&D investing so much in Dany only for her to die. IMO it is much more likely that Jon will die. He seems ike he will risk his life for her.

If Jon is Azor Ahai reborn, remember that the last time there was a mass ice zombie invasion, Azor Ahai had to kill his beloved wife in order to save humanity. I'm just saying.

Now as to Jacquen… my insane theory is that he is or is the avatar of one of The Old Gods, the ancient gods of the first men whose names and functions are forgotten, but who are still worshipped in the wierwood groves. I think he's the God Of Death, and he's given power to Arya knowing she will use it to save the mortals of Westeros. And that the God Of Death wants to save the mortals from the Night's King, because if the Night's King conquers all then everyone will be dead... and nobody will ever die again! And the God Of Death will be out of work.

In which book in Azor Ahai discusses and why do people think he will be reborn?

I think the show has become more like a cartoon... I cringe everytime they refer to 'the dead', who aren't interesting enough to captivate us as villains. I wish the show was just about humans vying for the iron throne, maybe with the dragons included, but the ice zombies have seriously damaged the show's development and less it far less complex than it was at the start.

The very first scene of the show was about those ice zombies r194.

I think they need to answer the key question about the Night King, of whether he's wandering around aimlessly, spreading death to all humans , or does he have some destination in mind? I'm over the "scary zombies" thing. I enjoy the political intrigues and the family wars much more. In so many cases you can tell which incidents from history GRRM used to draw from.

I think the ice zombies are there to give the story a climax, to make the humans draw together and actually stop fighting over the damn throne for once in the history of WEsteros.

Otherwise, there's no end to the saga, just fighting for generation after generation after generation.

The AoTD and the NK are metaphors for some crisis that threatens humanity. IMO it is highly possible that GRRM allows the Dead to win. Everyone dies, and that whole world ends, like some mythic world of the ancient past. That is the possibility I rarely see mentioned.

On the other hand, he has a few choices:He kills off Dany which is very cliche'. Lyanna died in childbirth. Tyrion, Jaime, and Cersei's mother died in childbirth. And while she was murdered, Talisa, Robb's wife was pregnant when killed. So I think it's the easy way out. GRRM ought to come up with something better. He could kill Jon. But that's already been done. And Jon has had at least two other brushes with near death, so, no. He could kill Jon but that too is predictable.

He could give them the happily ever after ending where they live and sit the Iron Throne. Now if he really wants to do something with a plot twist, he could give them that ending, but let us know that the threat of the Night King will not go away. That somewhere out there is another, future threat in it's infancy, but still out there. As for the dragons? I'd end the series with dragon eggs.

Of the current characters, I would offer Varys one of the four spin-offs. His visual style is sort of ageless, and the actor is not very expensive.

I think a spinoff should be an anthology of early Westerosi history. Each season just take a chunk of storytelling such as the tales of Dunk and Egg or the tourney at Harrenhal or the early adventures of that slut Oberyn Martell through his time at the Citadel.

Tell you what. It's raining and we're watching re runs of the last season. IMO, the single most magnificent scene in this entire series is the battle where Dany goes after the loot train as it leaves high Garden. That battle sequence is one of the best I have ever seen and I have seen a lot of war movies and historical dramas. There's nothing as good as that. Game of Thrones has had some fantastic battle scenes, but this one surpasses anything ever seen on TV or a movie. That is all.

[quote]The AoTD and the NK are metaphors for some crisis that threatens humanity

They're Global Warming, basically. Or in that world, comparable to the deep freeze that wiped out the dinosaurs. As much as GRRM bases this on medieval history, I think his message with the WW is that power and wealth ain't gonna save you when Mother Nature comes to wipe you out. This one's on top, then that one's on top, and on and on it goes. Then you get killed by an undead being.

I think I figured something out while we were watching Season 7 today. The scene where Cersei and Jaime argue about her betrayal, and she tries to stop him from supporting Jon and Dany, and he finally walks out. She tells him their child will rule the 7 kingdoms. It's when he tells her that someone will win and someone will lose. If the Army of the Dead wins they will come down to King's Landing and "kill us all." and if Dany wins and Cersei has betrayed them, they will come down and "kill us all." And she says something about l"let them all fight and kill one another. Our child will survive and rule the 7 kingdoms."

I think that's what Tyrion discussed with her. I think when Tyrion discovers she's pregnant he tells her Dany can't have children, and if she cooperates he will make sure her kid inherits the throne, and she can be regent. Of course he has no intention of allowing her to be regent. He wants to be regent so he can rule and be succeeded by his niece or nephew. That' it. That is the plotline for Season 8. It just dawned on me. They set it all up in Season 7. All the discussion about who would succeed Dany, the argument Tyrion and Dany had while they waited for Jorah, Jon and The Hound and their search party to find a zombie? He tells her not to risk her life until they have a plan of succession and she says when I where the crown we can discuss it!" and the really argued. She accused Tyrion of caring too much about succession.

I'm convinced that was the set up. Tyrion is going to go crazy if Dany gets pregnant, especially when he finds out Jon is a Targ. That will be the great betrayal.

Bran will know what Tyrion said to Cersei.

r195, they weren't as prolific at the start though.

I think Melisandre should get a spin off series because she's 500 years old, her potential is limitless and obviously, she wasn't always a fanatical religious nut. Obviously, they'd have to replace the actress who would be too old to play the forever young Melisandre if the series ever got off the ground. Who could play it?

I like your ideas, R203! That could be what drives a wedge between Tyrion and Danerys, that and the fact that she's obviously going to marry a guy he sees as a threat to his position as #1 adviser. Jon has already unintentionally pulled the rug out from under Tyrion, Tyrion wants to invade Westeros and Jon has suddenly convinced Dany to abandon that and go north to fight frozen zombies. What the hell does Tyrion know about fighting zombies or the North? As long as that war goes on, Tyrion is just an administrator, not a driving force.

As to the succession, if Dany marries Jon and dies without a living child, Jon would presumably be her heir and pass the throne to his children by his next wife. Cersei's child would be a bastard and everyone would know it's the result of incest, so there's no way in hell it will be put on the Iron Throne, or inherit the WEsterlands. And of course if Dany bears a living child then it'll be king... and I think she actually will bear a living child. Remember the prophecy from the first season "... when the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, and mountains dry up and blow in the wind, and you bear a living child..."? Well I think Frankenmountain the walking corpse is going to dry up and blow in the wind, and all the other parts of the prophecy will come true, and she will bear a living Targaryan child.

The Wights and the WW are a metaphor for the Black Death.

A game changer for society.

If someone ends up on the throne at the end (and I could see them getting rid of it in some capacity), I think it will be Jon Snow. His character arc would be the classic "come from nothing outcast" to leader/chosen one.

I agree R209. I think Dany's whole purpose is to use the dragons to vanquish the Army of the Dead.

I can't wait for Jaime and Jon Snow to fight on the same side and do heroic things. And Brienne. I want The Hound to kill The Mountain, but it might not happen. It might be that dragon fire kils the Mountain. That's fine. Killing Qyburn and Cersei is something I'm looking forward to. I hope Jon and Dany live. It is too obvious IMO to kill one of them. Everyone is expecting it, taking bets. I'm almost certain it will be Dany, but it could be Jon since he does like to do risky things. In the books Tyrion is not a good person. He is disgusting and not very nice. Even thought the show has been gentler with his character, I think since George Martin and David Benioff and Dan Weiss all agree they are all heading in the same direction and the story will end the way George intended, that Tyrion on the HBO how, will turn and do something bad.

they had a huge wrap party for the end of the series, and Sean Bean was there. Bad dye job on his hair and he looks bad. I heard he was a drunk, and I guess it's catching up to him.

Cersei will die in childbirth, killed by a younger brother. It will be a dwarf and Tyrion will be the double uncle that raises him.

LOL! R213, That would be hilarious! The rumors are Dany will die in childbirth and Cersei would miscarry. In fact I read that they were going to end Season 7 with Cersei miscarrying as Jaime rode away, then changed their minds.

If they've wrapped filming, does that mean we'll be getting a trailer towards the end of the year?

Maybe Cersei will lose her baby and then later she will try t kidnap Day's baby. By the old gods and the new, there are so many ways to handle the whole baby/successor thing.

R212, pretty sure every cast member there was drunk off their asses. They all had a smashing time if Momoa's instagram gives any indication.

I know R217, and why not, right? This series took up 8 or 9 years of their lives, they made television history, and for quite a few of them, this is as good as it gets. This is the pinnacle of their career. They will never again be that lucky, and they will forever be known for their work on GoT. Even the few who survive it and go on to other great roles.

Game of Thrones is a soap opera which means the characters are the stars, not the actors. Emilia Clarke's new Star Wars movie just flopped at the box office and despite the intense hype machine around her and getting all the top magazine covers, she will never, ever be able to shake Daenerys and will probably not achieve much success beyond GoT. And the sad thing is, she doesn't have the acting range to prove anyone wrong. The same thing with Kit Harington and Sophie Turner. Maisie Williams may be able to carve an interesting career, and I don't see Carice van Houten having any trouble getting roles since she is not perceived as a star. But the star players of Thrones are certainly in trouble, career wise.

I disagree, R219 I think Sophie Turner is goig to be fine. I think Kit will do well because he will focus on both the stage and films and he writes and has his own production company. He has been preparing for life after GoT for a few years now. I think with Eilia, it will take her some time. People have to be willing to let go of her character in Game of Thrones. Maisie Williams will be OK too I agree. Nicolaj Coster Waldau is going to be fine, an so will Peter Dinklage and Alfie Allen. I think Isaac Hempstead Wright will have a difficult time. It may be that in some cases a few of the actors will need to spend a few years being invisible and then start working. Gwendoline Christie, Carice and lena Heady will be fine too.

I think pretty much all of the cast will be fine. I don't see a mega star in any of them but they are journeymen actors. Dinklage, Van Houten, Heady, and Coster-Waldau had notable work prior to the show. Nikolaj even had a short lived Fox series in the states. Harington doesn't seem to be someone who is chasing work. I think the flop of Pompeii and Seventh Son made him realize going for flashy projects isn't worth it.

Well he was in some Testament of Youth with Alicia Vikander and he looked just terrible. He had short hair and was clean shaven, and he is not a handsome lad. Not at all. His looks for Game of THrones are the best looks and he needs to keep them.

I've decided that while I think Nicolaj Coster Waldau is hot,in just about anything, it's Jon Snow that is hot, not Kit Harington.

Kit Harrington is so little, guy is like 5'6". Not that it matters to me, perfect size to obliterate that bubble butt of his.

Harrington was hot in "Pompeii", which meant that the movie had one thing going for it! But then, he kept the long curly hair and the little beard, which seem to suit him. With short hair and clean shaven, he's just slightly cute.

Coster-Waldau is devastatingly hot everywhere I've seen him, even in that silly mess "Gods of Egypt". Yup, give him a greasy dark wig and an eye patch and he still does it for me! But then, I do love men who are witty, well-spoken, and sophisticated, they're so damn rare.

That scene between Jaime and Olenna Tyrell. Damn Nicolaj was sweet in that scene. I mean he played the shit out of that scene. Brilliant. Yes,Diana Rigg was wonderful. But he definitely held his own. I loved his subtlety. I loved the way he said nothing but his face, his eyes his posture changed as he took in Olenna's confession of murdering Joffrey. Brilliant.

Then later when he and Cersei have their final falling out. I saw how vulnerable he was. She really hurt him. And he was disgusted with her. Angry too. Like you knew this was IT. Finally.

The whole supernatural storyline really deflects from the human drama., which was rich enough without it. Oh well.

R227, but the characters and the writing sort of compensate for all the zombies. I got involved with the characters and that hooked me.

The "supernatural elements" are there to give the story focus and a climax. I mean, the politics of Westeros is very heavily based on England circa the War of the Roses, which never had a definite end. Henry Tudor finally took the throne and his son and grandchildren managed to hold onto it long enough for the constant feuding, plotting, rebelling, wars between the great nobles, invasions led by pretenders, and regicide attempts to die down a bit. But those things never really stopped, Elizabeth I was still executing the Essex and his like as the Tudor dynasty was about to die out.

Which is how history goes, but that doesn't make much of a climax for a TV show.

Sophie Turner will get pretty girl roles, she doesn’t have a good speaking voice but she’s not awful.

Maisie Williams may get some action roles and Mae Whitman type rebellious girl stuff, as she’s not a great beauty.

As for Dinklage, Headey and Costner-Waldau will go back to being solid working name actors.

I think casting directors like Emilia Clarke more than audiences do; she’s like Gemma Arterton in that regard.

As for Kit, my guess is he will get plenty of work in BBC TV dramas. (His got awful reviews for his play). If he tries to go Hollywood, he’ll be a less successful Orlando Bloom but without Pirates. His best best for working in the USA is to go for a Dominic West or Damien Lewis (or as older examples, Sean Bean or Jason Isaacs) type career with glossy, high-class TV but he’s not as good an actor as them, on stage or screen.

But he was SO funny in that ‘Seven days in hell’ TV movie with Andy Samberg. I had no idea he could do comedy so well.

Emilia's problem is that if she persists in making movies like Terminator and Solo and Star Wars story, she will always be identified as "Khaleesi. " She needs to do more present day roles. I think she should do a British TV series that will redefine her. It helps that in real life she loos nothing like Dany.

Sophie and Maisie are already developing their own projects. Maisie's problem is that she still doesn't look comfortable in interviews - she seems self-conscious. Sophie developed a work ethic and seems to have a clear vision for her career, but she's engaged and in a couple of years, she'll probably start having kids. I assume that her acting career will end after that, but I could see her developing her own fashion line like Victoria Beckham.

Emilia is a profoundly weak actress.

Emilia's problem is that she's actually gotten worse as she's gone on. Her face doesn't move, and if I hadn't seen her in interviews, I'd strongly suspect that she'd had way too much botox.

Ok, so a couple of things that I picked up on after catching a couple of S7 eps again. Motherhood was a theme. Obviously Cersei spawned again with Jaime's baby, but there's no way that kid is going to live. I have a hard time imagining why the showrunners would go to such pains to show one incestuous relationship as so toxic, and then go on and let Dany and Jon have a happy ever after with a child. Their kid might live. She might live too, but there's no way they're remaining in Westeros and being allowed to sit on the Throne when even the Old Gods frown upon on relatives fucking one another. She'll head back to Essos and take the child with her while Jon, who's basically a 'fire wight', will become the next Night King. There won't be a Targaryen restoration.

It really struck me how they decided to throw that line in where Tormund was determined to have 'big, monstrous babies' with Brienne too. It was pretty clearly foreshadowing, but there's no way she's hooking up with a wildling when Jaime is on his way to Winterfell. That is THE slow-build romance in the series and the fact they haven't allowed them to fuck before now pretty much means them getting together will be important in the end. Fairly sure that Dany and Sansa are red herrings for the 'Younger, more beautiful Queen' who's going to cast her down, and that Brienne the Beauty is the real deal. She marries Jaime, screws him, falls pregnant with his child and then takes the Lannister legacy, the thing Cersei holds dear, away from her.

I wouldn't even be surprised if it's her and Jaime that end up ruling in the end. Jon is far too fucking obvious, and Dany has already been singled out as a conqueror, not a ruler. Tyrion is the only other possibility, but seen as his big bro already outwitted him once as a military strategist, I reckon he'll end up dying a heroic death instead.

R235, is Jamie still officially out of the kingsguard? Because if so, he can make a lot of trouble for Cersei by saying he's the rightful ruler of the Lannister lands, which will BTW put Tyrion in a hell of a spot. He thinks he's entitled to rule the Westerlands, and he won't support Jamie's claim even though it would be politically expedient to do so. Tyrion isn't popular in Westeros, he's thought of as a regicide, an invader, and an all-around monster, while Jamie is thought of as okay except for the incest thing.

If he makes an official, public break with Cersei, all the malcontent bannermen and every rat looking to desert a sinking ship will support Jamie as a way to eliminate the unpopular Cersei.

No, there won't be a happy ending for Jon and Dany, and here's my prediction. Remember Miri Maz Duur from season 1, and her prophecy?

"When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east," said Mirri Maz Duur. "When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he [Drogo her first husband] will return, and not before."

So! I think there will be two bursts of special effects that look like the sun rising in the west and setting in the east. And the seas will go as dry as a piece of frozen nitrogen and armies will walk all over the ocean. And "The Mountain" Clegane will die and his corpse will be reduced to ash or dust. And Dany will bear a living child, and will shortly thereafter be reunited with Drogo, in death.

Or something very much like that.

I think Daenerys will kill Jon when the War for the Dawn is won. That will be the shocking twist, because she knows he's a threat to her supremacy.

If I remember correctly, Mirri Maz Duur never said the part about her womb quickening again in the show, which was weird when they referenced that in season 7 since they threw it out previously...

As I re-watched Season 7 another thought occurred to me. Bronn. They've kept him alive for a reason. That huge machine that Qyburn invented. The one that shoots the big arrows that almost brought Drogon down during the loot train battle . Even though we haven't seen him, I'm going to assume Bronn turns up to be with Jaime and Tyrion. So while everyone is worrying about Vyserion the ice dragon, maybe Dany will have them build giant machine like Qyburns, and Bronn will aim a giant arrow made of dragon glass at the zombie dragon and kill it. it makes sense. If not Bronn, someone should.

The best death for Bronn would be him hooking up with Melisandre and her transforming into an old lady as he cums, which results in him having a fatal heart attack.

Truthfully, I see Bronn surviving and being given Dorne as his reward.

Does anyone else think we might see Daario or Ja'qen in season 8?

Daario, no. Ja’qen, yes. It is not plausible that Lisbeth Salander is running around the North being stabby and everyone is ok with that and Brienne and the Hound think it’s as cute as hell.

OK. We know Euron is going to Essos to pick up the Gold Cloaks who are mercenaries, to come back and be her army to defeat Dany. Remember, Daario was a leader of the Second Sons when he met Dany. So he knows that world. I keep thinking he'll come over with the Gold Cloaks, and pretend to help Cersei and then betray her.

I think David Benioff and Dan Weiss are planning something big for the final season. I'm not talking about the season itself, but I think there's going to be a feature length documentary about the "Making Of.... " It'll will probably come out after the series wraps.

Daario will not be back. He's busy with other projects.

Mirri Maz Duur didn't issue a prophecy. She was saying "when pigs fly" in an elaborate, dramatic way.

[quote]Daario will not be back. He's busy with other projects.

I think if Dan and David had any intention of bringing Daario back Michiel would be back. Some of the cast have other series and still work it around Thrones.

I would only want to see him again just to see his reaction to Dany being with Jon.

I have to wonder. The Gold Cloaks are mercenaries. Daario used to be a mercenary. It seems so obvious. I guess that's why I'm not writing Game of Thrones for HBO.

I t wouldn't be difficult for some of the ones who left to come back. It's like a few days or week or two of shooting at most, and probably with a few long breaks in between.

And if I were an actor working on another project I doubt if my director would mind me doing a bit for Game of Thrones. It raises the profile. There's a certain cache' to being part of it right now.

Belfast is going to miss them. They were a huge boost to the local economy for 8-9 years.

The writer of Kick Ass and Kingsmen has the first spin-off green-lit.

Expect a lot of Herero anal jokes.

I'm looking forward to Jaime and Bran's first meeting. I'm also looking forward to Jaime telling Tyrion that Cersei isn't sending troops and is sending for the Gold Cloaks to come after Dany and her armies.

I heard a rumor of a plot leaks for Season 8 that said Euron was going marry Cersei and then hire the Faceless Men to assassinate Cersei. I have no way to know if that is accurate. But the line of people willing to kill Cersei is really getting long.

So the Northern lords, who hate outsiders and resent Lannisters and Targaryens are going to be visited by both along with a couple of dragons. I hope they don't give too much time to the Ice Zombies. I'm with Cersei. If all those Dothraki and Unsullied and the Northerners and two dragons can't defeat the Army of the Dead, WTF, you know?

OK. I think I figured out the finale of Game of Thrones. it's "Valar Morghulis!" All men die. So. ow if we go on a sort of religious sensibility, then, maybe there is going to be some "Christ" figure who sacrifices all so that others may live, or some such bullshit. But I believe Ja'gen Hagar summed up the finale when he told Arya, the God of Death was the only one who mattered.

R254, The Wall has been breached, and the insular Northern Lords are about to face an unholy invasion that they can't defend themselves against.

Normally they'd like nothing less than a dragon queen trailing Lannisters in her wake, but once the ravens start coming in from what's left of the Nights Watch, they'll get all friendly and welcoming.

My prediction for the ending i that everyone dies. And that's the end of the story. George R,R, Martin is sitting in chair by a fire and he closes this huge book and cuts a long, loud juicy fart.

Everyone except Samwise. I mean Samwell. And his incest baby. Ain’t nothin GRRM likes more than a tubby writer and incest.

[quote]We spent twice as much shooting these six episodes than we did on two full seasons before. No expense has been spared. We’ve gone all in.

Well, it's officially over now. The final wrap party was last night. Kit H took a DJ lesson.

They really have kept a tight lid on leaks this year.

r254- Don't forget Melissandre and her mad smoke baby fire skills. You know she's another fire weapon in the arsenal.

When does it restart? I just rewatched the last episode and it’s been so long, I had completely forgot.

Sometime in 2019, the date has not been announced.

Oh, shit, R263, I thought it was this month! Very disappointed!

They announced a while ago the show wouldn't be coming back this year, they wanted a longer production period to work on the final episodes.

At this point I would be more sad if Hilary Mantel dies before she completes her Wolf Hall trilogy than if GRRM doesn’t finish this.

Mark Gatiss isn't returning so I'm thinking we definitely won't be seeing Quaithe either. Too bad.

So the bad actor from the Iron Isles has gone to get more ships/$$$.

Which Dany will likely counter by calling on Michael Huisman.

No loss, R267, there's always another banker.

I've been reading a lot of the Wars of the Roses and the aftermath, and Dany is reminding me of Mary Stuart, Queen of Scots.

Lost her family at a young age, raised in a foreign land, sold into a marriage that would make her stronger, but he quickly dies. Eventually goes home, shit goes sideways.

Will the last season feature more of Kit’s fantastic arse?

We can only hope. R271. He needs to show more bum. I'm now really curious about The Death and Life of John F. Donovan as its finally received a premiere date at TIFF. Considering Kit plays a closeted actor, will there be any gay scenes? As for GoT and the final season, it can't get here soon enough. I've rewatched the damn show in its entirety about a dozen times since the last episode of S7 aired. I'm really looking forward to the last round of press interviews with the cast for the final premier, too. That is going to be a blast. Hope they took a lot of footage at all of the many, many wrap parties in the end days of shooting.

Bittersweet Dinkles

Lazy fat fuck

The article linked in r274 gives a potentially huge spoiler of who is alive and survives to the end of GoT

I loathe Lisabeth Salander Arya. Can't wait for her to die, but no doubt Sansa, this universe's version of Susan from Narnia, will go first.

Premier date in April confirmed by HBO, finally.

Australian academic claims Cersei and Sansa will survive.

I think he’s wrong, myself.

I think Sansa and Cersei will survive to the last episode, and then Cersei will be murdered by somebody, probably Arya.

Does the lore about three people riding the dragons - presumably Dagny, Jon and Tyrion - come from the TV show as well as the books?

Yes, it came straight from the books, during Dany's dream in the House of the Undying - she sees a young blonde man (Rhaegar) who tells her the dragon has three heads. Readers have always taken this to mean three riders. Personally, I don't think Tyrion is one of the heads. I think the third rider will be Bran, as he'll warg into Viserion.

There are only two dragons available to ride. The other is an ice dragon.

So maybe Dagny will die and ride the ice dragon?

I really don't see Sansa surviving the series. I think that Jon and Bran will forge some kind of connection to kill the NK. The first shot of WF opened on Jon and Bran. Then the shot on the two of them when Ned takes the NW brother who fled the WWs foretells quite a lot. "A mad man sees what he sees". Both Bran and Jon have been singled out by the NK, what with leaving a mark on Bran and then eye-fucking Jon into oblivion. Arya will have a part to play, but she may be the last man standing, who knows.

The reason that I think that Bran, Jon, and Dany are the three heads of the dragon, is that they've both had a "death" and been reborn in different ways - Jon was murdered and then raised by LOL, or something else, Bran was transformed into the 3ER and "died" in that cave, Dany of course has been cleansed by fire and became the mother of dragons.

So no one has any thoughts on that 4 second clip from the new season on last week's HBO trailer for 2019? Supposedly, there will be a full trailer for the show after tonight's premier of True Detective. Hoping its true! Can hardly wait to see more footage.

Tomorrow's premiere of True Detective you mean r285. It's not airing on a Saturday. But yes, excited to see this trailer.

oh, wow, my week has been so off. Yes, I was thinking today was Sunday, thanks, R286

Anyone else rewatching the series in time for Season 8?

My friend just began watching for the first time and I'm basking in his excitement for each episode so I've picked select moments to rewatch like when Jon, Hound, et al banded together or when Ned was arrested.

I have done several rewatches since S7 finished. You always find a new bit of foreshadowing, or get reminded of it at any rate. I actually have found the show more enjoyable to watch in the last few seasons than in its early years. I think the first time I was really wowed by it was Hardhome. Still one of my favorite episodes. But I was a huge Breaking Bad fanatic, loved Mad Men, The Americans, etc, so GoT never stacked up to those shows dramatically if only for the sheer volume of plots and characters. Now that its narrowed its focus and concentrates on the main characters and its endgame, I feel a lot more invested.

Strangely, television is so saturated with "content" at this point in time, and I've wasted so many countless hours binging shows that were merely 'alright', that I end up rewatching series I love because they're so rich, you always find a new and exciting perspective. I rarely get bored with Thrones, and if there is a dull plot (Sandsnakes, I'm look at you) then the FF button is your friend. I really think S8 is going to be incredible television and unlike anything tv viewers have ever seen before. I really hope some cinemas screen the episodes.

Best part of a rewatch: How many scenes you can go "Everyone on screen is dead now"

I think Jon dies

For people who have read the books or watched the show more carefully than me:

Was there any gossip about Jaime not fucking women when he was in King’s Landing? I know he was supposed to be celibate, but surely there were rumours?

The King's Guard are supposed to be celibate r293, Jaime would just look like he is upholding his vow.

Of course plenty of them have sex on the side anyway, just like the Night's Watch guys, but no there is never discussion between characters of how Jaime doesn't visit whores.

Of course the characters who would keep tabs on such gossip, Varys and Littlefinger, are well aware he is in love with his sister.

Can't believe no one's put this up yet. You bitches are slipping.

The big twist in the trailer being Jon's statue of him is older, while Sansa and Arya's are not.

Cool teaser, but obviously just promo footage. Give me something REAL HBO!

Poor Bran doesn't get a statue or to be in the promo? We are missing a Stark child there.

How did Bran become a warg? I kept napping during his scenes with the tree people.

Bran has always been a warg. It's a common ability for Northerners and all of the Stark kids have latent warning ability. They just have to be trained to be able to do it consciously which is what Jojen taught Bran. The 3-Eyed Raven helped him tap into his green seeing ability.

There is the warg ability (ability to possess animals), and the sight (having visions of the past and future). In the books, all the stark children are wargs though that isn't true of the show. Jojen though has the sight, but he isn't the warg. Bran is special in that he has both abilities, it is what makes him a greenseer and why he was selected to be the next three eyed raven.

Good catch, R296.

And R297, I'm with you. BRING ON THE NEW FOOTAGE.

The first teaser last year didn't have any footage from the season either.

We have that small clip of Sansa talking to Dany, so you have seen some footage.

Yes, and it's not enough. It's been over a year and a half, and HBO has been tight-fisted as fuck. They can give us a few more seconds of footage.

The show is going to be over and gone before you know it r304. Savor what you have left, don't rush it.

And waiting a whole year and a half? As a fan of the books i can't help but think of how quaint that is.

[quote]The feather in the new teaser is more important than it seems

. . .

[quote]During the pilot, Robert Baratheon (King Robert) visits the crypts in Winterfell and puts a feather in the hand of the statute of Lyanna, whom he was supposed to marry. King Robert tells Ned how he dreams of killing Rhaegar every night; Ned replies: “It’s done, your grace. The Targaryens are gone.”

[quote]“Not all of them,” King Robert replies, which is very true, but at the time we were led to believe he was referring to Daenerys and Viserys Targaryen (because that episode cut to them). Now, we all know it also refers to Jon Snow.

[quote]The next time we see that feather is during Season 5, when Sansa visits the crypts and picks up the feather at the feet of her aunt’s statue and puts it back in her hand.

more at link

"In the books, all the stark children are wargs though that isn't true of the show"

Did Sansa and Rickon ever show any sign of Warging ability? Sansa lost her dire wolf early on and I don't remember any mention of special abilities, and I do remember that Rickon's wolf was badly behaved and killed chickens and stuff. Which was totally realistic, if you give a wild canine to a clueless little kid, the kid isn't going to be able to train it and it won't behave the way people consider acceptable.

Anyway, cool new trailer, and nice to see the frost-wind effect from Hardhome back on the screen. As for "The dragon has three heads", I think there's a good chance that Bran will use his warging ability to take over the zombie dragon, which will give the good guys control of all three dragons. Obviously, Jon is going to ride the third one, and Tyrion isn't.

Rickon I believe does have hints of warging with Shaggydog, Sansa never gets to delve into her ability since she immediately loses Lady, but according to George RR Martin they all have it r307.

[quote]Are all the Stark children wargs/skin changers with their wolves?

[quote]To a greater or lesser degree, yes, but the amount of control varies widely.

I want Danerys to give Arya a ride on the dragon, and Arya to develop a raging crush on the glamorous queen.

If I'm not mistaken, Arya sometimes saw through her wolf's eyes, or felt her thoughts. Maybe she couldn't warg at will, but she definitely had a connection with Nymeria.

Arya gets a few big warging scenes in the books. When she is blind in Braavos she wargs with a cat to be able to see, and she famously wargs into Nymeria to pull Catelyn's body from the river.

Back to episode 2 - who put put Tyrion's dagger in Winterfell to frame him as Cat's would-be assassin?

Wasnt it Littlefinger?

In the books it is Joffrey, in the show it is a dropped plotline that was never revealed.

It was Joffrey

Point to where in the show it was Joffrey r315, you can't. From a show perspective who sent the assassin remains a mystery.

Its implied that it was Littlefinger, especially since he tries to give the dagger to Bran, who busts him with a choice "chaosh is a laddah" quote, and then when Sansa runs down the list of offenses, she does intimate that it was LF's doing to turn "sister against sister" by colluding with Lysa against Catelyn. The owner of the dagger was an impetus for the entire war, of course it was LF's doing.

So who stole the dagger from Tyrion?

But LF didn't know for sure that Lysa murdered her husband, right? However he may have implicitly encouraged it in the past, he wasn't "in" on it?

Littlefinger definitely urged Lysa to murder her husband, and she didn't take much urging because she disliked her husband and was still in love with Littlefinger. She did it because that was the only way a woman could switch out husbands.

And the death of John Arryn was what brought Robert Baratheon to the North, to beg Ned to become Hand of the King, and brought the Starks and Lannisters into contact. So yes, it was Littlefinger who started the War of Five Kings.

R319 Lysa says he gave her the poison to use on John, so yes he was responsible for Arryns death.

When the fuck are we going to get a goddamn trailer already?

March, probably

I will have to binge soon.

The best part of a GOT binge is how many scenes you can say "everyone on screen is dead now"

Just looking at this Honest Trailer for seasons 1 through 3 you can see how many people are dead. Some whose existence I forgot about like Mance Rayder

Any takers?

So everyone will die, Arya, Cersei and Dagny last of all, then the Dead King will sit on Iron Throne, and the long winter will continue for 600 years until springs comes and it all starts over again with the ancestors of some baby shipped off to the mainland before the finale...

Last season we had the ENTIRE thing spoiled beforehand, which I was fine with. People can avoid spoilers if they want to.

But we are six weeks from the premiere and no huge spoilerama yet????

Not statues and feathers, but WHAT WILL HAPPEN. Season 7 had someone leak the entire season, which many DLers believed was fake. But it was ALL true.

My money is on Jon dying.

I don't think Jon dies. i think he sort of connects with the Night King and his eyes turn blue and that's how it ends. He'll be like Uncle Benjen, half & half. Oh. I think he & Dany have a kid. and the kid lives and Dany dies.

Who wants to make a bet against me when I say Sansa and Gendry are going to hook up? To be honest what I'm waiting for is Jaime Lannister's arrival at Winterfell. OMG.

I'm glad Season 8 hasn't been completely spoiled. Spoilers are hard to avoid sometimes, especially on boards like this. All it takes is one asshole.

R332, aren't Gendry and Arya a thing?

I think Sansa will be punished for being a frivolous shallow teen a la Susan from Narnia and will die early unmarried. If she does marry, it may be the Hound, for protection.

Sansa has spent the last six season being punished for being a shallow frivolous teen girl, her punishment is now officially over and she's got to step up and help save the world like the rest of the surviving Stark family. Because as absolutely everyone expected, there's going to be a Final Battle at Winterfell.

And she'll marry for political gain, not politics, and because someone's got to carry on the Stark line and it isn't going to be Bran or Arya.

"And she'll marry for political gain, not politics..."

I meant "... not LOVE"!

I just don't see a future for Gendry/Arya. I think he'll hook up with Sansa. Arya will realize he's not for her. She could never be "His Lady."

OK. My predictions. Bronn will use the Scorpion they'll build at Winterfell, and shoot down Vyserion with a huge spear made of dragon glass. The Night King will survive and fight it out with Jon.

I'm completely baffled by Brann. WTF will he do to save the world? All he ever does is tell people about the past or the present. "The Army of the Dead is 20 miles away from Winterfell!!!!" Duh! Some fans believe he will go back in time and become the Night King and then....what???? And Meera Reed's final words to him were scary: "When they come I want to be with my family..." Does she know? She said Brann was the only one who could save them. Then she acts like she knows she's gonna die. WTF.

OK. Jaime. Jaime and Brienne are going to be the best couple who never fucked. Their relationship will be one of those high minded, more than lovers, we're partners, like when cops are partners. They will rely on one another save one another, and probably one of them will die in the arms of the other. I see Brienne surviving a long time, but dying by the end. Jaime, I fear, will die sooner and he will die heroically. ..that guy who holds off the bad guys to save everyone else.

We'll have some "Aww! " moments when people like Podrick die. Same with Berric ,Tormund, and God forbid, Ser Davos. Then we have Grey Worm. You know he's gonna die, right? And IMO the most terrible moment to come, will be when little Lyanna Mormont gets killed, along with her Uncle Jorah. Sadness for real.

Sam, GIlly, the Baby, etc all have close calls but I see them surviving.

Edd and the Nights Watch are gonna get smashed by the zombies. In fact, we will see them become Zombies. We'll probably see Hodor as a zombie. I have no idea where Theon and Yara fit into this scenario since they're further south. Assuming Theon will save Yara, but then What happens to Euron? Does he survive to accompany the Gold army to King's Landing to try to kill Cersei?

I have a fantasy that when the Gold Army arrives in King's Landing, Daario will be with them. He will take his army and use it against Cersei. After all, Daario used to be a Mercenary and he is still leader of the Second Sons.

Which brings me to Cersei. Fan speculation is that either Jaime, Tyrion, or Arya will kill her. I believe it'll be Arya. I believe The Hound will help her, and he'll kill his brother The Mountain. Jaime and Cersei will never see one another again. My Predictions, remember?

OK. Tyrion. IMO if this whole finale season is about zombies killing our favorites it'll be boring. So we need a betrayal. I believe Tyrion will betray Dany. I've posted this before. I will say it again: Tyrion met privately with Cersei. (Even we weren't there.) He knows she's pregnant. He confided in Cersei that Dany can't have kids Cersei will be able to put her baby on the throne and be regent, if she helps them.

This sets Cersei's wheels spinning. She has no intention of helping, but he is going to find a way to get rid of Dany..... Brann will tell Dany that Tyrion cut a deal and now Cersei is going to try to kill her. Bye, Tyrion. He's going to be fried.

Varys will survive and be Dany's hand. I'd like to Ser Davos survive but I have a bad feeling....

I have no idea what Melisandre will be up to. I'm hoping Missandei survives, maybe hooks up with someone cool. Maybe Ser Jorah won't die. Or maybe Jaime won't die and one of them will get to be with Missandei. Of course I'd love for Grey Worm to live...but he's a eunuch, so he can't have babies.

Everyone is predicting either Dany or Jon or both will die...or live. WTF ever.

Oh. One last thing. Dany will be pregnant from boat sex. Dany & Jon will have a kids. Now all of these predictions may come to shit because the Night King could win the whole damned thing and everyone will die. To quote T. S. Eliot: This is the way the world ends.....

"Jaime and Brienne are going to be the best couple who never fucked. "

How disappointing. I want her to survive with a baby Jaime.

I want them to have big blond sex

I doubt there will be much sex in this last season with many more fights and battles but its HBO so maybe there still will be.

They better start episode One of the final season exactly where they left off last season: Boat. Sex. Kit has a beautiful ass.

Where can I find spoilers? All these Speculations are useless to me🤪

Amen R342. I was shocked by how bootyful it was

The run times are out.

Ep1, 2,3 are about an hour.

Eps 4,5,6 are about an hour and 20 mins.

Ser Loras was supposed to be the prettiest of all and somehow

So, IMO, if Jaime dies it will be in Episode 4. They dare not kill him any sooner. Or else they will lose me.

[Quote]They dare not kill him any sooner. Or else they will lose me.

I'm sure HBO is shaking in their boots.

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R338 In the original pitch for the series ,Tyrion is one of the 5 main surviving characters. If he indeed does betray both Dany and Jon, he will be fried. He is not that good of a bullshitter. At this point of the game, Tyrion surviving would be an impossibility if he does make a deal with Cersei.

Exactly, R248!!!!!

For what it's worth, my predictions for the end:

Dead: Jon, Cersei, Ser Davos, Ser Jorah, Mellisandre, Bran, Tyrion, Night King, Beric, Grey Worm, Theon, Yara, Gendry Alive: Dany, Jaime, Varys, Sansa, Arya, Sam, Gilly, Brienne, Bronn, Missandei, at least one dragon

Maybe they'll end it believing they've defeated the Night King and his AoD, but far, far, away in the land of always Winter, there will be this little glimmer of icy white and blue and we will know there are still White Walkers asleep buried deep in the snow and ice.....and at the same time in the Shadowlands, beyond Asshai, in a cave, we will see a bunch of dragon eggs sitting there in a steaming pod, incubating....or maybe the dragon eggs will be in that cave under Dragonstone, because it's inconceivable to me that those three dragons didn't manage to lay a few eggs before Vyserion got killed.

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R351 You're off quite a bit. From your list you should exchange some of the characters. There is a pivotal scene after all the wars are over where the survivors appear. That has been leaked. One of the survivors was not on GRRM's original survivor's list.

R352 Not a spoiler from you but they seem like they ill go that way. Then again when The Night King is killed don't all of the White Walkers die?

season eight trailer

I left the room/fell asleep/initiated sex whenever boring Bran Stark appeared on screen so I don’t know anything about the Night King, what a “warg” is and how “warging” works and who the kid from Love, Actually is supposed to be.

I hope Euron gets castrated early.

In the new trailer, There is a quick scene with three ships...that's Theon either arriving to rescue Yra, or returning with Yara, while Euron was away in Essos picking up the Gold Cloaks. And there's a second scene with a fleet of ships in the background, and the guy who is in charge of the Gold Cloaks standing at the wheel with his back to us. their promise and intend to attack the North? I'm wondering if Theon will discover that Cersei and Euron plan on betraying the North and attacking them?

[quote]Just when all my childhood dreams seemed to have come true, I nearly lost my mind and then my life. I’ve never told this story publicly, but now it’s time.

[quote]I had just finished filming Season 1 of “Game of Thrones.” Then I was struck with the first of two aneurysms.

So amazing she recovered from that and kept it from the press.

I'm amazed she could get insured for big-budget movies like "Solo" after that!

Wow. That poor woman!

R358 CL already betrayed The North. Euron will probably attack The North during The War Of The Long Night. The visions show snow in the Iron Throne Room. Which might mean the Night King makes it to King's Landing.

Final Season Art

Very deep and in-depth interview with Kit

When I see Kit in other roles there’s no magic for me like when he’s Jon.

Kind of like how Alexander Skarsgard is at his best as Vampire Eric.

To be fair, R366, he hasn't had that many other roles. I would like to see him onstage at some point, but I think he has a lot of work ahead of him.

I’ve seen him onstage, twice, and he’s awful.

Can anyone link to that spoiler thread?

Spoiler thread, anyone?

You know how the cast said prepare for an ending you may not like ... perhaps this is not because of what happens to our faves, but because it’s really badly written.

I'm laughing at the triggered Daenerys fan who tried to justify her being insufferable when a lot of the fans hate her now too.