Harvey Milk and His Support of Jim Jones

There’s a lot about Harvey people gloss over. But no one is perfect and his foibles way overshadow his successes.

[quote] his foibles way overshadow his successes.

They do?

I meant the other way around. Thanks r2 for catching that. I sure fucked that post up. Sorry.

[quote]They do?

No..they REALLY don’t. It’s not surprising that Milk supported the People’s Temple. From the outside, they were very appealing. A charismatic white dude that supported and welcomed all minorities--including gays. That was pretty rare and honestly, a little too good to be true, but it’s not that difficult to understand how people fell for Jones’ schtick. Lonely people are the easiest to control...even smart ones.

I mean...it’s not like he knew that Jones was a big ole’ freak and that years later he would purchase half of the world’s supply of Flavor Aid.

He wasn't a pedo, ffs.

Harvey never liked Jim Jones or the Peoples Temple, all they were to him was a means to an end. I honestly think he didn't really care about any of the abuses that were going on, or, some of the gerrymandering that Jones and his people indulged in on the behalf of Moscone and Harvey's campaigns.

I agree that neither Harvey nor anyone else could have predicted what was going to happen in Jonestown, however the signs were there and Harvey was fully aware of them like many others who were around the Peoples Temple at that time. There was also a lot of ex-members who were talking about what Jones was upto and the authorities were already beginning to pay closer attention.

Jim Jones also pimped out some if the younger members for Harvey to have sex with.

Sorry I meant: Jim Jones also pimped out some of the younger members for Harvey to have sex with.

FFs for all the pedo accusers.

R9: I didn't say children. I meant some of the younger guys in their very late teens and early twenties. He had sex with at least two or three I'm aware of who'd previously had relations with Jim Jones.

Ann Coulter said it is common knowledge that Harvey stuffed the ballot box, but no one will say so publicly

It is common knowledge that lots of fists stuff Ann Coulter's pussy box, but no one will say so publicly.

Milk, Milk, Lemonade....around the corner, Fudge is made!

Maybe THATS how SF became a feces encrusted shithole!

He died in a glamorous fashion, unlike other who were just murdered in parks or in their own homes at the time.

SF's gay community is basically one non-stop idol worship of Harvey. They name everything after him.

[quote]R9]: I didn't say children. I meant some of the younger guys in their very late teens and early twenties.

“Pedo” = pedophilia, aka sex with prepubescent children, so you most definitely did say “children” when you accused him of being a kid fucker. Besides, “very late teens and early twenties” = legal adults, so your explanation does not even make any sense. Why would you call someone who fucks guys over 18 a “pedo?” Unless, of course, you were trolling and intentionally being sensationally homophobic.

Freaks and flames for you, asshole.

“Harvey! Harvey!”

R15: You're insane; I never once said Harvey had sex with kids in any of my posts. I originally stated he had sex with some of the younger members and you then inferred I was calling him a paedophile which is not true. When I said younger members I meant young adults and clarified it when you tried to make out I was somehow calling him a pedo.

"Sorry I meant: Jim Jones also pimped out some of the younger members for Harvey to have sex with."

Proof please?

It's just from what I've heard, r18. I know a guy who was close to some of the other Temple members but never joined. He was living in the area at the time and he also met Harvey, but didn't know him well. A few of the younger guys were gay and Jim Jones was having sex with all of them. It was pretty well known even back then that he was into men. Anyway, when Milk interracted with Jones he encouraged these guys to hook up with Harvey.

Harvey, we know, was, at the very least, fucking boys as young as 16. He’d be in prison and registered as a sex offender. We call people like him pedophile as an umbrella term today. He was a child sexual predator with a lot of blood on his hands. The glorification of HM is as disturbing as the rewriting of Stonewall and turning it into some trans history bs.

R20/OP, and who are the "we" that call people who have sex with guys over 16 pedophiles? Putin and his comrades?

I'd just like to clarify: Harvey was hooking up with these younger guys but they were all in their late teens and early twenties. I don't see any problem in this. Harvey liked younger men and that's fine. I mentioned it because I believe the guy who told me. What's got me wondering is why Jones was setting Harvey up to have sex with Temple members? I never did ask my friend why.

Who knew Kevin Spacey and Roman Polanski posted here? lol

[quote][bold]We [/bold]call people like him pedophile as an umbrella term today

Speak for yourself, troll. “We” do not all think or speak like a troll does.

I've got to be honest, I hated the movie Milk, mostly because I can't stand Sean Penn. I thought the documentary: The Times of Harvey Milk was far better.

Totally agree with you, R25.

So this OP is a cunt who, knowing nothing of the San Francisco political scene at the time, attacks Harvey Milk as a pedophile because he associated with Jim Jones's church/cult at a time when its nature was not known (although some peculiarities were)?

And Milk (allegedly) having sex with teens makes him a pedophile?

No, cunt. You're a troll. The source of your "information" is a crank and you're irresponsible at best and a surreptitious homophobic troll at the worst.

Fuck you.

Get a load of the other posts this OP/R20 troll has been doing elsewhere here.

Again, fuck you, you loathsome turd.

Every now and then we get a thread that attempts to "rewrite history" about Milk in order to trash his legacy. Is Elizabeth Vargas involved somehow?

R27: I m not the one who started this thread if that's what you're inferring. The guy I know lived in San Francisco at the time and he also knew some of the Temple members quite well. He found out from some of them that Harvey had slept with some of the younger men who were also involved with Jim Jones. And, as I keep stating, I have never once in any of my posts said Harvey was a paedophile. The men Harvey was sleeping with were all of legal age. They were just young guys in their late teen or early twenties.

[quote] I honestly think he didn't really care about any of the abuses that were going on, or, some of the gerrymandering that Jones and his people indulged in on the behalf of Moscone and Harvey's campaigns.

I mean...unless you know this from FIRST HAND knowledge, it’s a really shitty declaration to make.

[quote]I'd just like to clarify: Harvey was hooking up with these younger guys but they were all in their late teens and early twenties.

Uh-huh. The thing is...you should’ve posted that instead of trying to be provocative.

[quote]Every now and then we get a thread that attempts to "rewrite history" about Milk in order to trash his legacy.

And it’s not just Harvey. It’s Matthew Shepard--which tells me that some people on DL are the catfish of the human race.

R31: I don't know what your problem is, I did say younger members but I always meant they were legal adults. I don't know why you're constantly bringing this up as I was never trying to imply anything else. I think you're just looking for an argument.

How does "younger members" mean "paedophile" or "underage" it doesn't. It means younger adults in their late teens or early twenties which I clarified when I was asked.

R31: Actually I do know about it first hand. Therefore, I think I have more right to talk about it than you. People who were associated with the Temple have talked about what went on numerous times but they're always dismissed because no one wants to believe Moscone or Harvey could do such a thing. People I'm friends with were asscociated with the Temple back then and told me what Jones would do. To be honest, it was never really on that large a scale and it probably didn't help Harvey that much. However, it's the principle that matters, and both Harvey and Moscone used Jones and knew what he was doing. I'm not some alt-right troll looking to cause trouble no matter how much you try to portray me as one. And I never wanted to believe the things I heard about him but it's true. How about all of Jones' flunkies who were being abused and forced to worked 20 hours a day and then had to go out and shill for Moscone and Harvey's campaigns? It doesn't come up because it makes Saint Harvey look bad.

There was numerous ex-members who were talking publicly about what Jim Jones was doing but that never stopped Harvey associating with the Temple.

Someone seems to be hell-bent on making Milk look bad.

"My friends knew someone who once visited the Temple and they say Harvey had sex with MEN!!!"

R33 provides what is politely referred to as heresay.

I don't think Milk was a choirboy, but there seems to be this need for some here to trash anyone who is labeled a gay hero or martyr.

Martyr like Judy Garland?

R28 said: "Get a load of the other posts this OP/[R20] troll has been doing elsewhere here"

How can you see what someone posts in different threads? I can't even tell one anonymous poster from another in a single thread.

I had him killed, OP- what else do you want me to do?

R37, learn how the ignore feature works.

[quote]Actually I do know about it first hand.

“First hand” means you were an eyewitness, R33. What you describe is second hand and, yes, hearsay.

Why so hellbent on smearing Milk, hmm, troll?

OP, you mean pederast not paedophile. It's marginally less bad, but is still pretty skeezy. And yes, it does get glossed over.

R40, marginally? That's a pretty huge margin.

I hope Harvey does not turn out to be another one with Weird Jewish Sex Deviate Disease.

Was he really having sex with Jones' followers?

FF OP.

Its the same thing with John McCain......everyone lauds him as a hero, and he is anything but......and the only reason he was a prisoner of war was because he didnt like to follow orders and was screwing around and was captured.

I always wonder the same thing, but not just Milk, also Rosalind Carter and Gov Jerry Brown. My best guess is they wanted the guaranteed votes he would bus in for them, I highly doubt they knew the depths of his evil.

So Mccain is not a hero and Milk is not a hero.

In the 70s Jim Jones was very influential in SF politics. People had no idea it would end so badly.

I never heard anywhere that Harvey Milk was a "pedophile" or that he was into fucking teenage boys. And I sure as hell don't believe that Jim Jones "pimped out" young boys for him to fuck. I've read several well researched biographies of Jones and the People's Temple; if Jones had been pimping boys for Harvey Milk it would have gotten found out and exposed, as did Jones' behavior in that regard. Jones had sex with both male and female members of his flock. But he sure wasn't going to "pimp them out" to anybody else.

Jones had some political clout back in the day. He liked to portray himself as some kind of a savior for the disadvantaged and he sucked up to politicians George Moscone and Harvey Milk, in hopes of becoming some kind of political bigwig himself. His little charade working for a while and it started becoming public what he really was, whereupon he lit out of the country convincing some of his followers to join him in the socialist utopia he was planning to create in Guyana. But politicians always had an uneasy relationship with Jones. None of them really trusted and it's easy to understand why. He behaved like the megalomaniac that he was.

On one of the Jonestown tapes he opines that some people believed he could have been President.

^^^ He was ahead of his time. He could have been president in the era of Trump.

Was Harvey names after cow or goat?

Harvey Milk was a grifting piece of shit who was out for himself. He would have ended up as a gay version of the sellout Dianne Feinstein. And as soon as he could, would have used the gay rights platform to propel himself to higher political office. That would have been it, he would have used the gays to enrich himself and give him a career on the political gravy train. There were other gay activists around who were far more sincere and deserving of support, but Milk pushed himself to the front by insisting they weren't being proactive enough. And what did he really achieve? nothing. The only reason we remember him is due to homophobic asswipe Dan White making a martyr out of him.