Luca Guadagnino's 'Suspiria' Remake (2018)

A couple of Twitter reactions to the first footage shown at CinemaCon. More at the link. Was trending briefly so it must have made quite an impression.

[quote]Ummm I am traumatized after seeing a scene from "Suspiria" in which Dakota Johnson controls the body of another woman as she dances. The woman's body literally cracks in half. She is like, torn apart. Spitting, urinating, bleeding. It's... A lot.

[quote]Someone at my table threw their napkin down, said “uh, no”, and walked out.

Nagging doubt-- how to top Goblin's iconic score?

Fuck you, cocksucker.

I don't want to sound rude . . . but . . . Tilda Swinton is a bug-eyed, anorexic, self-satisfied SJW who gets the roles that Cate Blankett and Vanessa Redgrave reject.

Oooh can’t wait. Tilda is perfect for this.

What does he see in Dakota Johnson? I don't get it.

He's loyal to his hags!

Joan Bennett was in the original Suspiria movie (1977), and yes, that's a very mannish woman standing behind her. Very strange film.

Agree r4, Tilda is so overrated. She's always Acting! Like Meryl. Don't get her appeal at all. She reminds me of a praying mantis.

I hope they kept the over the top Art Nouveau style. I loved that. And the voice dubbing of the Germans made it seem surreal.

[quote]He's loyal to his hags!

I really think that's what it comes down to. There's no other explanation for his rabid need to repeatedly cast Dakota in his projects. She's harmless but utterly unremarkable - and Luca could have pretty much any actress he wanted (well, maybe not Asia A.) in his films at this point.

I'm really looking forward to never seeing it.

There are some movies you do not remake. Suspiria is one of them!

100% agree with R13. Sick to death of all the "reboots" of late.

There's no wild color scheme in this one, it's ugly and boring sepia. No Goblin score. Can only top original in terms of CGI grossness. Jessica Harper has a cameo, a cheap link to the original. Sounds like they have struggled to develop concept beyond original screenplay. Bad idea all around.

Trying to imitate the original aesthetics would have been a terrible idea imo. If you disassociate yourself from what made that movie iconic, the task of coming up with something new-ish (while still being based on Argento) becomes less daunting.

[quote]Ummm I am traumatized after seeing a scene from "Suspiria" in which Dakota Johnson controls the body of another woman as she dances. The woman's body literally cracks in half. She is like, torn apart. Spitting, urinating, bleeding. It's... A lot.

This yawnfest scene is supposed to happen in an exclusive dance academy? The original scene of Alida Valli barking orders to Suzy (in badly dubbed English) over strange music while she had a nose bleed was truly terrifying.

One of fave films ever. ‘WITCH!’ As for this shit remake: no no no

R16 I just don't see the point of a remake unless it is to capitalise on what made the original so good and try to push beyond that. Add your own touch, sure, but why not just make a new movie and plot if you're going to change everything about the original?

The only way I could understand it is if the original was based on a book or something, and they went back to the source material to reinterpret it.

Luca can look hot:

Seductive:

Nope.

Anyone seen this? Just saw an article where it was making people vomit. I’m always curious about these kind of grim horror movies.

To be honest, I'm surprised Luca would go all out on the violence/gore. I expected him to tone it down.

Luca's films are all shockingly tedious middle class fare, aren't they? The scariest thing about this will probably be its tastefulness.

The poster is HORRIBLE! Is that supposed to make people excited to see it?

However, the description of the clip sounds kinda nuts and I like nutty movies. I think the best way to remake a movie like Suspiria is to take the basic story "American goes to international dance school and crazy, witchy shit happens" and run with it. It's not like the original script was some great work of art. It was just a skeleton to hang some incredibly impressive and creepy set pieces on. In fact, if we're being honest, it's one of Argento's worst scripts. Deep Red and Tenebrae are actually fairly clever and well written.

The script was based on a tale Daria Nicolodi's grandmother used to tell her as a child. The school it was based on was a Rudolph Steiner academy of music and arts near the French/Swiss boarder.

[quote] Once upon a time, a teenage girl named Yvonne was sent away from home to attend a boarding school. Her parents believed she was going to a reputable place, a stolid institution where a budding talent like hers would receive valid instruction in the arts. The girl arrived, wide-eyed and innocent, and was terrified to realize she had been delivered into a witches' den, a school of Black Magic. She turned tail and ran. Unlike her fairy tale counterparts Hansel and Gretel, Yvonne was a real girl, and she escaped to tell her tale. This she did, to her own granddaughter, an actress and screenwriter by the name of Daria Nicolodi. As it happened, Nicolodi was the creative and romantic partner of Italy's dark wizard of cinema, Dario Argento, so Yvonne's tale was destined for bigger things.

Miss Jessica Harper? Goodness, what's she been up to?

There is also some literary inspiration:

"Dario Argento used De Quincey's Suspiria, Particularly Levana and Our Ladies of Sorrow, as an inspiration for his "Three Mothers" trilogy of films, which include Suspiria, Inferno, and The Mother of Tears. ..... Levana and Our Ladies of Sorrow — beginning with a discussion of Levana, the ancient Roman goddess of childbirth, De Quincey imagines three companions for her: Mater Lachrymarum, Our Lady of Tears; Mater Suspiriorum, Our Lady of Sighs; and Mater Tenebrarum, Our Lady of Darkness."

Dakota Johnson is Hollywood Royalty and will probably end up with an Oscar.

She is rather unremarkable but then again so was her mother in anything other than WORKING GIRL.

Hopefully Dakota will get a vehicle like that to catapult her.

Sure, millions of people love spending time in the dark with nudity-friendly Dakota Johnson but she needs better material and some acting classes.

I like the original Inferno much more than Suspiria. Supiria is one of those movies that tries wayyyyy to hard to scare you. Argento also lacks skills with plots and actors. This works much better in Inferno because the plot is barely there. And you can't beat a murder by rats!

Melanie was better in both Body Double and Something Wild than Working Girl (and they were also better movies).

R32 Correct.

R4, you really think Swinton and Blanchett are being considered for the same roles as 81-year-old Vanessa Redgrave? Are you a casting director?

Dakota is fairly unoffensive. I was dragged to that awful 1st Fifty Shades movie and I found her to be the least awful thing about it. In fact, she seemed rather game and had a slight twinkle in her eye the entire time, much like her mother did in Body Double. I kinda like her. She's miles more appealing than Rooney Mara or Kristen Stewart.

I had no idea Luca can be this gruesome

Ew.

I really have no idea what to expect from this. I hope it just stands up on its own and is an interesting movie.

[quote] Joan Bennett was in the original Suspiria movie (1977), and yes, that's a very mannish woman standing behind her. Very strange film.

Like Bennett, the scary and mannish Alida Valli (also known just as Valli) was considered a great beauty in her day. In fact in the '40s was heralded as the next Garbo.

Direct link to a shot of Dakota Johnson's character sporting what appears to be a vaginally-shaped wound on her chest.

I don't know if it's true but I heard a rumor it is going to be 2 and a half hours long.

[quote]Dakota Johnson's character sporting what appears to be a vaginally-shaped wound on her chest.

Zzzzzzzzzzz.

November 2nd.

[quote]Nov. 2 is a key date for launching awards bait with such recent Oscar fare as Lady Bird and Theory of Everything launching there. It would be a shocker not to see this title at Venice or Toronto this fall.

R23 all his movies make me vomit.

[quote]Darkness is building at a world-renowned dance company.

Dakota's hair looks wiggy.

I actually have high hopes for this movie, hope I am not proven wrong.

28 year old Dakota Johnson is way too old to be playing a first year student at a ballet academy. It's awful casting. Jessica Harper was around 22 years old in the original, but looked no older than 17.

Part of the problem with "Mother of Tears" (Suspiria's belated 2007 sequel) was the actresses were all hard and old looking.

Ugh. Waste of bytes.

[quote]Direct link to a shot of Dakota Johnson's character sporting what appears to be a vaginally-shaped wound on her chest.

How original.

Almost no chance of any subtlety happening here. The two original films were filled with subtext (the squeal Inferno has enough subtext for 10 different films), like the scene where Sarah is at the creepy old library looking for the book, or when the sinister butler gives Daria Nicolodi an enormous injection of what appears to be some kind of heavy drug, but I read somewhere that it was actually meant to be a B-vitamin injection her was administering to her and it was left up to the audience to read that something evil was happening in the scene.

That cut open chest reminds me of the Mother movie with Jennifer Lawrence

R50, you can watch the entire Inferno movie on youtube. I found it much scarier and more interesting than Suspiria.

Which two ballerinas will Chloe Moretz play?

Dakota is a black hole of charisma.

I always thought Jessica Harper was adorable, particularly in Pennies From Heaven.

Jessica Harper is severely underrated. Her role in the original Suspiria is not very layered on paper, yet she is extremely effective in the role and she brings a lot to the character. As r55 says, she is terrific in Pennies from Heaven and had to perform a difficult scene that not many actresses could have done.

I just can't see Dakota being as charismatic, smart and likable as Jessica in the Suspiria remake.

Trailer

Well Armie wasn't kidding when he said this doesn't have any colors

Dear Lord! They're all SMOKING!

r57 That looks good to me and Tilda is giving it her all.

Dakota, on the other hand, Jesus Christ. I just saw someone [italic]way[/italic] over their head even in those couple of wordless shots she was in. What a missed opportunity.

Okay what the fuck is with the bizarre logo at the end? I hate shit like that where it's so stylized you have to concentrate to make out what it's actually saying.

There's a crazy visual grandeur to the original movie that, at best, can only be copied.

In a way, it almost didn't matter whether or not the 1970s version was scary or not (which it was); it also looked fabulous . . .

R4 Tilda is not anorexic she's a great actor and better than Blanchett

I met Tilda back in 2001 - she's lovely.

r62 agreed, the sets and decor in the original are what made the movie so amazing for me. The Art Nouveau designs and furniture, that crazy staircase in the main hall, etc. And the dubbed voices on the German actresses, too.

I’m still curious about this one...Luca himself said that he didn’t want to make a remake of this movie so I don’t think it’s wise to compare them...from the trailer, his take is completely different from the original.

people, this is a Guadagnino movie: you can expect cool clothes and nice furniture but that's it. He doesn't have the talent to scare and/or provoke any kind of emotion. He's a window dresser at best.

Call Me By Your Name clearly provoked a lot of emotion in people, as can be seen by its run in various arthouse cinemas where it has been one of their longest running films of all time.

It looks interesting, but I wish he would stick to beautiful movies because there is so little beauty these days

Tilda will be great as usual, and maybe she’ll be pushed for some awards as Toni in Hereditary. It’s clear that this movie will have a different tone, so don’t expect the palette of colours from the original one.

Only 13yo girls and emotionally stunted adults responded emotionally to Call Me. His movies are all terrible.

R71 Yawn.

R69 Also, if Luca sticks only to “beautiful” movies, he’ll be typecast as a director. Also, Rio should come out this year too, right?

r67 Shouldn't we be looking at the screenwriter as well before dismissing the movie based on director's name alone?

r71 How ridiculous. The CMBYN movie is about nature and life itself but it takes some wisdom to see that layer. Honestly, the love story between the two guys was the least interesting part for me.

Rio hasn't been filmed yet R73 but it's expected to start soon.

I'm all for this new, revamped Suspiria. For fans of the original, and I count myself as one of them, it's a treat to get a remake that's, after all, a polar opposite in some key aspects and doesn't try (and fail) to imitate the original. Maybe we'll hate it, who knows, but I love how different it looks.

Lovely composition.

R75 agreed! It looks interesting overall and so excited to see the critics reactions.

Tilda just taking a drag looks like a work of art in itself. She's so great.

DL oldies vs. DL newbies.

Guadagnino is the emperor with no clothes.

New poster

^awful

R81 It’s better than the first one because the former gave me Snowman vibes...so I guess Dakota got first billing?

The Mother of Tears was such an AWFUL film. Boring sepia colors, no psychedelia, repellent CGI gore, drab actors. This looks to be about the same. Pass.

Looks bad

You’re all too pessimistic, tbh.

It looks to be dong-free, but with plenty of vadge symbolism/imagery.

Why would it have dicks? It's a movie about witches

I think people need to stop associating CMBYN with Luca’s name... not all of his movies will depict 2 men falling in love.

CMBYN as his most successful film so far (financially and critically) will be associated with him until he surpasses it. But associating Luca of all directors with no male full frontal nudity is silly as he has featured it numerous times and in CMBYN it was the actors' choice not to do it.

This will be probably his most financially successful movie come November. This is an easy sell. Horror movies make bank.

I hope they re-use the original music in some way.

I saw Tildy sleeping in a box at the MOMA once

R91 Maybe but not sure this one will be very accessible.

I find the trailer beautiful and very exciting - the cinematography, the music and how convincingly the 70s ambience in conveyed. I'm also glad it stands in stark visual contrast to the original.

I Am Love was pretty good.

R94 why not?

If Dario Argento hadn't run our of money, ideas or whatever and opted out for the Roger Corman-like "Burn it to the ground" ending, Suspiria would've been perfect.

Dario Argento is lucky he made a couple of very good movies when he did, before his brain broke for good and he started shitting out three straight decades of movies so bad they make you contemplate suicide

As someone who doesn't know an inch about Suspiria. I like the trailer. It feels refreshing after all the plastic CGI movies we've had recently.

So, maybe I’m the only one in here who thought that, but Tilda is not the one playing the old man...thought she was. Here, for the ones who want to read further

Yeah, what the fuck happened to Argento?

I mean, he has a very impressive run for two decades and then he TOTALLY hits the wall and EVERY film is TERRIBLE... I mean, THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA was one of the worst films ever (that dubbing and the "acting"!) and they all have sucked donkey balls since then. STENDAHL SYNDROME was OK, SLEEPLESS was OK and THE CARD PLAYER had some decent moments, but stuff like GIALLO and MOTHER OF TEARS and DRACULA 3D are putrid compared to his earlier work (or anything else for that matter). It makes no sense how someone could go from so good to so bad. It's mind-boggling.

I don't know how I feel about it. As a fan of the original, I'm glad they're going in another direction, because if they'd sampled aped the original film, they'd have lost right out of the gate. This has potential to be something interesting. I just hope it doesn't turn into pretentious bullshit. It definitely gives me an entirely different feeling of unease. I do like that. It seems more to be about the evil lurking in the mundane, everyday world which is a different kind of scary.

I do feel for Dario. I think his last really great, stylish film was Opera in '87. After that, most of his films took on this cheesy, made for TV look. They became very bland. Maybe he didn't have the energy or the budgets to accomplish what he had in the 70's and 80's. I can say that I at least enjoy everything he made from Bird With the Crystal Plumage to Opera. Trauma, Stendhal, and Sleepless all have their moments, but everything else is pretty awful. Mother of Tears had so much potential, but it was shot like a bland American action movie with no color or style and it just didn't work. Plus, I remember Asia making for a rather unlikable heroine. I'm not sure why, but she seemed bitchy and like she didn't want to be there the entire time. Don't even get me started on Daria Nicolodi's pathetic cameo with that ridiculous CGI ghost shit. Yikes! Still, the film is bonkers enough that it's not a total waste of time.

If this is a hit maybe Luca could remake the whole trilogy! INFERNO is super and would represents its own problems with remaking but a re-do of MOTHER OF TEARS would be extremely welcome

It really depends on how this movie will go down.

well... Asia has stated her boundaries!!

Trust me, Asia is nobody, just a fame whore.

Kinda makes it difficult to take her outrage about anything else seriously if she gets that unhinged about a remake. It's not like Luca's destroying all the negatives of the original.

Luca could lick my ass the better to fuck it any time

This music in the trailer sounds like THE SHINING

R39, Valli is immortal, if only for two masterpieces: "The Third Man" and "Eyes Without A Face." And there's "Senso."

From the little I know of Guadagnino, I'd agree with the non-fans here. Pretty and unsubstantial. No Fellini he.

[quote] I hope they kept the over the top Art Nouveau style. I loved that. And the voice dubbing of the Germans made it seem surreal.

The actress who dubs Olga in the original version has a very distinctive, droll and melancholic voice. I think she also dubs several other characters in the movie. It only adds to the surrealness. I think it sounds a little like Daria Nicolodi without using her accent, or maybe even Jessica Harper. Nicolodi is almost certainly the voice of Helena Markos in the English version.

"Olga Dubber" also turns up in many other translated Italian camp horror films from the same time period (like Tenebrae) that fans of bad movies can recognize. It's distinctively the same voice.

I think that voice actress is the same woman who dubbed Daria Nicolodi in several of Argento's films like Deep Red and Phenomena. I always loved her voice, too. She dubbed TONS of Italian horror films in the 70's and 80's. Strangely, Daria Nicolodi was dubbed by none other than Theresa Russell in the American cut of Tenebrae.

Nicolodi got to use her real voice only in Opera and it's excellent. I love her deep, husky voice. I wish she'd been allowed to dub herself in Argento's other films.

Daria getting shot in the head in Opera was one of the highlights of Argento's entire filmography, and he probably enjoyed doing it since she had become his ex wife by then.

I tend to confuse Brooke Adams and Jessica Harper.

I cant wait to see this.

Wait. I thought that WAS Tilda Swinton as the old man too?

R8, that is not just some "mannish woman" standing behind Joan Bennett, that is the divine Alida Valli.

from "The Third Mad" with Joseph Cotten

^ One of the greatest film endings of all time, no question

Cotten was some great films, including "Citizen Kane," "Magnificent Ambersons," and "Shadow of a Doubt," Hitchcock's favorite of his own films., Time for his own thread?

[quote]Nicolodi got to use her real voice only in Opera and it's excellent. I love her deep, husky voice. I wish she'd been allowed to dub herself in Argento's other films.

Absolutely!

That's why I prefer the Italian language versions of Argento's 1970s movies because Nicolodi's own voice is so superior that that comparatively higher pitched, perky (I would even add grating) voice in the dubbed English language versions of Susperia and (especially) Deep Red.

For you Argento fans out there, do yourselves a favor and check out the Italian language versions of his '70s films if you haven't already done so.

Dubbing is an abomination.

I like the dubbing in Suspiria - it adds to the otherworldly sensation. The recently unearthed print of Suspiria from the 70s that made the rounds at art houses last year was in Italian and it felt like an entirely different movie. I hated having to look at the subtitles with such a visual film so I eventually just stopped

The old lady who played Mafalda in Call me will be in Suspiria too.

"I tend to confuse Brooke Adams and Jessica Harper."

I always confuse Jessica Harper with Jessica Walter

R55 I had the biggest crush on Jessica Harper, a lot of it had to do with her singing voice in movies like Phantom of the Paradise and Shock Treatment.

She seemed to disappear from movies in the 80s but became an author of children's books and composer of children's music.

Jessica Harper was also great in the wonderful Stardust Memories by Woody Allen. And she played a closeted lesbian in that! She deserved a much better career.

it's funny, Jessica Harper had a very short leading lady phase, but she was in some of the most gorgeous and stunning movies of her time: Phantom of the Paradise, Suspiria, Stardust Memories. Not bad at all.

I first remember seeing Harper in My Favorite Year with Peter O'Toole. For some reason I loved that as a kid. It was on HBO all the time.

LOL, R78 is 100% correct.

[quote]Luca himself said that he didn’t want to make a remake of this movie so I don’t think it’s wise to compare them

He could have avoided that by, er, not doing a remake.

^the script for Suspiria 2018 was not even written by Guadagnino. So it's not even a passion project for him. The only reason he made this is to show some cool 70s clothes. Just like any other of his movies.

Guadagnino is the quintessential bourgeois "art" director, everything done to the highest standards of middle class tastefulness. Which is empty and tedious at the best of times, but absolute death to a horror film.

I'm excited, because I really have no idea where this is going to go. I can only assume they're going in a more Rosemary;'s Baby/Stepford Wives route where Suzy slowly uncovers the conspiracy at the school instead of loud, baroque horror coming left and right like the original. It should be interesting. Whoever cut that trailer deserves an award, because they enticed me without spoiling huge chunks of the movie. That's rare these days.

Hopefully, the Halloween trailer coming this Friday will be equally as good and I'd say we'll have a pretty good year for horror.

r135 if you've read any interviews with him on this movie he's gone to great lengths to make it sound very personal to him - that he's been in love and obsessed with the original since childhood.

If he loved Suspiria that much he would have known to leave the fucking film alone.

^THIS

Jessica Harper, Frau

Last I checked the Dario Argento movie still exists! I am pretty sure that Luca didn't burn up all the prints r139.

People are so goddamn precious about remakes.

I always confuse Brooke Adams with Maud Adams.

Kathleen Beller became the 80s version of Jessica Harper. And then Jennifer Beals.

For those of you into trailer comparisons . . .

someone on YT made a new trailer for the original Suspiria. It's beautiful.

I remember working with a group of Yugoslavian refugees in the late 90s who had fled from Milosevic's Serbia with no money, no property, no pensions, essentially just the clothes on their backs and livelihoods intact, sometimes not even that. Many had degrees that they could not secure work with so were grateful for whatever menial jobs they could get. The work ethics of these people was just astounding, some would work several jobs and run their own businesses at the same time (even ones in their 60s) and would NEVER complain no matter what. Virtually none went on benefits. And how quickly they got their lives together! Becoming pillars of the community, amassing new wealth and prosperity from nothing in just a couple of short years.

[quote] had the biggest crush on Jessica Harper, a lot of it had to do with her singing voice in movies like Phantom of the Paradise and Shock Treatment. She seemed to disappear from movies in the 80s but became an author of children's books and composer of children's music.

She has an pretty cool resume, Phantom of the Paradise, Suspiria, Shock Treatment, two for Woody Allen, Love and Death and Stardust Memories, Pennies from Heaven, My Favorite Year, Inserts. In the 80's she married Tom Rothman, a movie executive who was the Chairman of 20th Century Fox who greenlit Titanic and Avatar and five Best Pictures. Now he is the head of Sony Pictures. She left to raise a family with guest star parts here and there. She is in the new Suspiria but it could be a cameo for anyone knows right now. Wish she would do some autograph shows but she hardly needs the money.

I saw her a a few years ago on Valerie Bertnielli's cooking show when she entertained her book club.

^yes, she has just a cameo in the new Suspiria, she wrote that herself on twitter. There's a Q&A about Suspiria (the original one) on YT, she's very cool and funny in that.

it's funny, Jessica Harper had a very short leading lady phase, but she was in some of the most gorgeous and stunning movies of her time: Phantom of the Paradise, Suspiria, Stardust Memories. Not bad at all.

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I don't think doing "Inserts" helped her leading lady prospects. She was rather unattractive in her nude scene. Her boobs looked like they were mutated by radiation or really bad luck.

[quote]I don't think doing "Inserts" helped her leading lady prospects

Sweeite, "Inserts" was her second movie after Phantom, so it didn't hurt her prospects at all.

i had never heard of Inserts before this thread. The synopsis on wiki seems interesting, and i't on YT so i'll watch it later. Is it a cult movie? Or totally forgotten?

Basically forgotten and it was rated X! Oh my.

Veronica Cartwright was the most interesting thing about "Inserts" and she's pretty much the reason for the initial X rating. It's a gutsy performance by a mainstream actress. It could've killed her career, but fortunately it didn't.

They really need to remake Mother of Tears. I watched all 3 movies 2 nights ago and while Suspira and Inferno were amazing, Mother of Tears was a mess. For a theatrical film made in 2007 it looked more like a television film made in 1997. Poor CGI and special effects. Atrocious dubbing. It was a worse finale to an amazing film series than Phantasm: Ravager was.

The colors and visuals in the 4K restoration of Suspira look absolutely amazing. Now if only they could do a 4K restoration of Inferno.

So the script got leaked and.....can’t wait to see Tilda orgasming to Dakota’s dancing

^link??

The guys on AW are talking about it in the Suspiria thread, if you have an account there you can just pm the source, don’t know where to get it from another source yet.

From what I gathered, it’s erotic with plenty of lesbian undertones.

what's AW??

R159 Awards Watch, a movie forum.

I've read it, it's NOT erotic although there's some (subtextual) erotic tension. It's not that gory either although there are maybe 3 scenes which will be rather shocking to watch. I've enjoyed myself immensely reading it, it's a very fine script. I got it from the Screenwriting subreddit but there's no link, someone sends it to your e-mail if you PM them.

Dargento is rather a mystery. The first 15 minutes of Suspiria are perfection, it is like a fairy tale on crack. He makes the automatic doors of the airport menacing and he manages too keep a crescendo of horror, without any pause whatsoever, for like an hour. The last 20 minutes or so are a bit disappointing but few movies can keep that sort of thing up. Together with Deep Red and Tenabrae, and his early ones, he had everything to be a cult movie untouchable. But in the last 10 to 15 years his movies are abominable to the point of making you wonder if he is the same person. But his legacy still stands.

^that's true, but i liked The Stendhal Syndrome. It was a crazy movie, especially because at a certain point (the half) the lead (Asia) dons a wig and basically becomes another person, and apparently a new movie begins. It's a flawed movie but i found it fascinating. Haven't seen his last movies but i heard that Giallo was abysmal.

Wow! The screenplay sounds batty. I can't wait.

Watching Deep Red now. Such a wonderful combination of cheese and art. Love it. The Nighthawks inspired diner is gorgeous

Good for you, R165! You may inspire me to do the same.

The Christmas-set opening sequence of PROFUNDO ROSSO aka DEEP REED with the quick pan through the hallway (and the SPOILER hidden surprise) is masterful filmmaking... I can't remember what it was, but this shot has been ripped off quite famously since then with the subtle hidden image in plain view. Plus, the whole trans subtext of it all (ditto TENEBRAE) are way ahead of their time... while SUSPIRIA and DEEP RED are my favorites, there's something about TENEBRAE that keeps me coming back. I think it may be the best story of the three, as well, and the single-take murder with the lesbians in that crazy modern apartment, plus that final shot and the endless screaming over the credits. Brilliant. They are definitely my top 3 Argento films, as much as I love INFERNO, BIRD WITH THE CRYSTAL PLUMAGE, FOUR FLIES ON GREY VELVET, OPERA and PHENOMENA.

BTW it is interesting to note that TENEBRAE is inspired by Argento's own obsessive fan who used to call him constantly claiming the damaging effects that his films had had on him. Also intriguing is that the film was set in the near future (filmed in 1982) and it is intentionally ultra modern and post-apocalyptic. Subtle, but very evident if you know that going in. The trans whore on the beach is the most unsettling part of the film to me, nonetheless. Great casting (she actually still had a dick at that time, dunno if she ever got the surgery). I'd say TENEBRAE could be remade brilliantly if we're doing Argento reboots.

Tenebrae is also great because Argento chose to shoot most of the movie in broad, sunny, daylight. A real bet for a horror movie, but it works and gives it a even weirder vibe.

I love this scene from the Bird with the Crystal Plumage.

^also, one of the victims in Tenebrae (the brunette murdered with an axe) is the future Miss Silvio Berlusconi! That's why the movie is still almost never shown on italian tv, and many copies have that scene cut.

[bold]Luca Guadagnino Shares Quentin Tarantino’s ‘Suspiria’ Rave Reaction: ‘He Was Crying and Hugged Me’[/bold]

[quote]Luca Guadagnino’s “Suspiria” is still four months away from opening in theaters, but it now has the blessing of none other than Quentin Tarantino. Speaking to the Italian publication La Repubblica, Guadagnino revealed he showed his adaptation of Dario Argento’s horror classic to Tarantino last fall and the “Pulp Fiction” director had a strong emotional reaction.

[quote]“I showed it to Quentin Tarantino. We’ve been friends since our jury duty at the Venice Film Festival,” Guadagnino said. “I was nervous but eager to hear his advice. We saw it at his place and his reaction warmed me. He was enthusiastic about it, in the end he was crying and hugged me. Because it’s a horror movie but also a melodrama, my goal was to make you look at the horror without being able to take [your eyes off the screen] because you’re captivated by the

[quote]my goal was to make you look at the horror without being able to take [your eyes off the screen] because you’re captivated by the characters

That's like DL!

Tenebrae really could make for a great American remake. It's probably his best, most coherent script.

R154 The story ended up being re-written so many times over the decades, the original 3rd Mother filming screenplay was very beautiful and ambitious, and dealt with "the fall of Rome" as its theme. What they filmed was very rushed and cheap looking. The gore was over the top, but not beautiful like in Suspiria. Especially the death of the two lesbians.

There had been another version of "The Third Mother" in the planning stages since at least 1984. Daria Nicolodi was involved in the story early on and some of her ideas were recycled into the film "Profundis" or "The Black Cat" in 1989, which is a semi-legit follow up to Suspiria. That full version of that film is linked. TBC has some of the radical color scheme and a pretty soundtrack, I only wish Dario could have directed it. It's low budget but actually has some interesting ideas. (Also "Olga dubber" is the voice of the lead actress).

Tarantino's kiss of death!!

By the way, the Rudolf Steiner academies in Europe were closed by the Nazis in the 1930's. But there are a few "Waldorf" schools - grade schools - that are in Manhattan. They sound hippyish and weird and teach some kind of theosophy. Some find that the schools are cultish and are teaching a religious philosophy. I don't know what Daria Nicolodi's grandmother experienced at the Rudolf Steiner Academy for the Arts near the Swiss-German border.

I don't really think the script for Mother of Tears was the issue. I think it was a budget thing. It's a far more coherent script than Suspiria or Inferno if we're being honest. I remember hearing about several major set pieces being changed or cut completely due to budget issues. Even someone like Dario Argento has a hard time getting a film funded these days. I still don't understand the bland color scheme, though. Are light gels THAT expensive, Dario? C'mon! I also remember Asia being a sorta unlikable heroine. There was something about her that turned me off. I remember when they were in talks with Sienna Miller for the role. I'm trying to imagine if that would have been better or worse.

Oh, and those giggling goth schoolgirl-looking witches didn't help much. It looked like a weird catwalk fashion show.

Mother of Tears was a disaster. Asia was at her worst, the scary parts were hilariously bad, and don't get me started on Daria Nicolodi playing the "ghost mom". I couldn't believe i was finally watching the final part of this amazing trilogy (i love Suspiria and Inferno) and the result was THAT. Also, the main witch in this was played by Moran Atias, who at the time was a hot tv soubrette here in Italy. So it was like watching Pamela Anderson playing the Babadook. A huge misfire.

I wasn't upset at the casting of the Mother of Tears herself, but what they dressed her in (that fucking t-shirt with glitter pen artwork) was horrible. Give the bitch some class. She was always said to be the most beautiful and evil of the three mothers, so couldn't we class her up a bit.

Daria's cameo was hysterically funny and I don't think that's what they were going for. I got confused, too, because it looked like she was wearing the same nightgown and hairstyle as her character in Inferno. Were they supposed to be the same person?

Ania Pieroni was perfection in her tiny part as "the most beautiful of the three sisters". Moran Atias and the rest of the updated witch's coven not mystical or scary enough, more like Girls Aloud tripping on acid.

Indecently, in the scene with the music students listening to Verdi 's Nabucco Act 3 , a nice little touch in the next scene as Sara takes her taxi ride there is an acid jazz version of the same song playing in the background.

True, r181. BTW, you know about Anja Pieroni, right??

Suspiria had a test screening today. Any teas?

Caitlyn Jenner would have been a sublime choice to play Miss Tanner.

[quote]Any teas?

Yes. People who abuse the word "tea" the way you have deserve to drown in a reservoir of it.

to the contrary

word of mouth is not good

typical tilde zombie from hell performance.

R186 calm down mrs potts

R184 The only “tea” I got from the recent screening is that is mother! 2.0....Personally, I liked mother! and even though the critics won’t like it, I’m excited to see it.

Length confirmed at 152 minutes. This is going to be an [italic]experience,[/italic] I'm sure.

With that runtime, I hope it doesn't flop.

It will.

This is going to be so disappointing.

Of course it will flop.

A 152 minutes HORROR?? Bitch be crazy.

Many think it will turn like mother! 2.0 but I have faith in Luca. Who cares about critics, at the end of the day? Critics come and go, this movie can become a cult.

^Howard the Duck is a cult too.

I don't see this becoming a big mainstream movie at all. It'll probably go along the lines of The Neon Demon. It'll play everywhere for a week to 2 weeks and disappear. And that's if the movie is actually good. It'll take very strong word of mouth to get Aunt and Uncle Flyover to go see this one.

I liked the script, I hope the movie is good too.

is there a way to read the script?

Tell me does dakota die in the end?

ok, i got the script...i'll write my thoughts after reading. I know you all are DYING to hear them!

How does one get the script?

he took away the "evil Disney fairytale" vibe from the original for... (wait for it) left-wing terrorism in 70s Germany! How Fassbinder!

How/why is the script already publicly available before the movie is out? That can't be a common practice, can it?

you all sound like 7yo kids...

so far lots of lez vibes between Dakota's Susie and Tilda's Madame Blanc.

now a nod to Christiane F. This movie is SO FUCKING GERMAN!!

Ooh this sounds promising

the script is super short but the movie is 155 minutes. I expect LOTS of dancing!

Paid reviewer shills will proclaim it the scariest movie of the year and people will flock to it. It's kinda like the "It" remake which was really really NOT scary and kind of boring. Suspiria was always a cult flick though and I love it but it's definitely not a mainstream movie.

R210 can u pls post the main plotlines with a spoiler tag or something?

i'm at half point and so far the only scary scene is the one they showed at Comicon.

oh, and this movie has nothing to do with Black Swan, at least reading the script. two different beasts.

also, american mennonites are in this. It's VERY different from Argento's.

AND even shades of Stephen King's CARRIE are in this! can i say it sounds like a mess?

AND The Neon Demon too, of course. I also wanna say that -from the script - Dakota's BF is more of a lead character than Dakota's "Susie".

but, of course, it's a movie against the PATRIARCKY!!!

Do you want the SPOILER on this movie? Or do you prefer to wait til november? just let me know!

SPOILERS PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!

+++++++++SUSPIRIA 2018 WITH SPOILERS++++++++

Susie Bannion, an american dancer, arrives at a Berlin Dance Academy led by Madame Blanc. The school is in turmoil because the night before a girl, Patricia, ran away. Everybody thinks she joined a terrorist group: we are in the full 70s "German Autumn" crisis, and the country is in chaos. Patricia seems deranged, she talks to her psychiatrist about some shady shit happening at the Academy. Susie befriends Sara, another dancer, and becomes Blanc's pet, as she learns a new difficult choreography right away. Then the basic plot of old Suspiria ensues (with less gore and MUCH more talking about modern dance). Sara begins to suspect that the Academy might be a cover for a terrorist cell, but soon finds out it's much worse: they are witches (against the pathriarchy) and they need new blood to save their "mother" Helena Markos. Susie will be the victim of the sacrifice. The main difference with old Suspiria is that Susie apparently is very ok with this, she WANTS to be sacrificed to Helena. But when everything is ready for the rituals, the twist: Susie reveals herself as the REAL Mother of Tears. She kills all the witches who were on Helena Markos' side, and becomes the master of the dance Academy. There's a big subplot about the old psychiatrist (the one maybe also played by Tilda Swinton), but it's not that intriguing. Also, a lot of talking about history: the 70s turmoil, the Berlin Wall, the Communist regime. It has a couple of seemingly scary scenes, but reading the script i think this will be an arthouse movie about Germany's troubled past.

Suzie is the Mother of Tears? No shit! This sounds downright bonkers and fascinating. Talk about a huge departure from the original, but then again, that's probably the best thing one could do with a film like Suspiria. Color me intrigued.

You're a couple of fucking cunts, R221 and R222

"I hope they kept the over the top Art Nouveau style."

They better have, considering it's the original's main asset. It didn't need a remake and this attempt will fail.

R221 thank u, this sounds fascinating. But it will have no mainstream appeal, which is fine

there was a spoiler alert, r223. cant u read?

And R222 had a spoiler alert where, up his ass?

i'm not r222, so don't get mad at me, i put a big spoiler alert.

No real problem R228, thanks for the synopsis. The massive plot "twist" was basically given away months ago with the tweet:

[quote]Ummm I am traumatized after seeing a scene from "Suspiria" in which Dakota Johnson controls the body of another woman as she dances. The woman's body literally cracks in half. She is like, torn apart. Spitting, urinating, bleeding. It's... A lot.

if you think about it, if you wanna give Suspiria a new twist this was the only way. So it's not that big of a shocker anyway.

Sounds as shitty and overrated as the original. Never got the praise for the original SUSPIRIA. Am I missing something?

I totally enjoy thrillers and old fashion horror films. I don't enjoy torture porn such as HOSTEL and film seeing people tortured, I enjoy old school horror films and current horror such as the films about the creepy doll (forgot the titles) and possession, the one about the kid possessed in England was really good. The Dubbuyk box film, The Possession, was also good.

I like Japanese horror films too, but SUSPIRIA, IMHO, was total schlock. Why is this film always cited as the epitome of great horror? It even looked cheaply made.

I won´t be watching this because it´s not my cup of tea but I don´t get the hype around this movie. Its director went from flop to flop until CMBYN (or Chalamet) , crossed his path and I don´t see why this should be any different.

That's not a plot twist R229 it has zero influence on the plot and it happens very early on.

r231. yes, you are missing out on Suspiria.

Suspiria wasn't a great of a movie narratively r231, but from a filmmaking perspective it was really interesting. Very aesthetically daring, it was hailed for its colorful cinematography.

This could be the one remake you shouldn't never make but everyone's glad you remade.

Suspiria is a gorgeous movie but it was also Argento's first movie where the plot completely sucked, the characters and tone were inconsistent, the resolution ridiculous and the acting hideous.

Let me know when the Comic Con clip (described at R229) leaks online.

I mean, it's not Goblin...

Cool visuals, but ho-hum song. I do like the relentlessness of the musical figure, though... evocative of Goblin's score.

Suspiria played Fantastic Fest tonight and people are praising it. There's one tweet of someone who's not buying the effusive praise.

@zigglesbarlow Your #Suspiria review makes you sound like a bad parent making excuses for your terrible child's terrible behavior.

Oh look, a picture of everyone tripping over their dicks to write a #Suspiria praise hot take. Blow my mind, you flowery worded shithead, prove to me how smart you are by liking a movie that obviously isn't any good. You rebel!

These Twitter reviews are out of this world. I'm pretty excited. Between this and Halloween, this season is shaping up to be pretty exciting for horror films.

Tilda Swinton has admitted that she secretly went though hours of make up to play the male character everyone has been denying she played.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Just saw this at a screening tonight. The only thing going through my head is, 'What the F*** am I watching?"

Thank God it was free.

Based on some of the reviews I've read (esp. the NYTimes), this sounds like Guadagnino's equivalent of MOTHER!

R237, none of Argento's films are much good in the script department (he started to lose it with the idiotic FOUR FLIES ON GREY VELVET), but at the the plots of his first couple of giallos were coherent.

I saw it this weekend and loved it. It truly is a haunting movie. I can’t wait to see it again!

Go watch it! It’s great!

I’m getting more (cautiously) optimistic about this the closer to release that it gets.

After the shit show that was Halloween, I"m glad this one seems to be more polarizing. At least it keeps expectations down.

I did not know what to make of it at first but I can’t stop thinking of it now. Definitely worth seeing on a big screen with GOOD surround sound.

Dario's films are like great, trashy, exuberant horrific art.

Luca's films are like beige coffee table art books for middle class pseuds.

I tried to see this at the arch light Hollywood and literally EVERY SINGLE SEAT was sold out for every show!!!!!!!!

Tarantino said it was amazing and made him cry or something. Is it that good? I loathe every actresses in the movie. Any word if it's any good?

[quote]Tarantino said it was amazing and made him cry or something.

It's a rehash of an infinitely superior film by someone totally devoid of original ideas. Of course Tarantino loves it.

Interestingly, Suspiria has better per theatre opening average ($80k) than Beautiful Boy ($50k).

Boring. Terrible. A waste of money and time.

I'm nervous about the run time and all the political bullshit I've heard is in there. Does anyone want to see a political remake of a Dario Argento movie? Argento's movies are the definition of style over substance. It sounds like this one might be filled with too much padding and fluff.

How about someone remake Deep Red and have it take place during Vietnam? Maybe Tenebrae during the fall of Berlin Wall will add juicy layers of subtext. Give me a fucking break.

[R252] Calling a person a pseudo intellectual implies you are an intellectual, when in fact a person that is actually an intellectual would not use this term.

I still prefer the Argento film btw

I saw it and I have some questions.

Was any of this actually satanic? The coven or the dance company ... or whatever it is ... what is their religion? Who or what is their god?

Did Dakota replace Tilda as the main witch at the end?

Also, was that old naked saggy woman at the end ceremony with the sunglasses Gwyneth Paltrow?

Why did Chloe Moritz' character start freaking out at the shrinks office when she saw the Masonic compass on his folder??????? Did she think the bricklayers were tied to the witches?

[quote]Calling a person a pseudo intellectual implies you are an intellectual

Er, no it doesn't. Think that through again, dear x

I just saw it

I was mesmerized for the entire movie, but I’m majorly confused by the ending.

Also, two she-males are in the film.

[quote] Also, two she-males are in the film.

I'm guessing the one who taught Susie the jumps . Who is the other?

The matron who cuts Susie’s hair

He looks exactly like a Monty Python cast member

I saw it today and am still weirded out by the whole thing. Was quite turned on by Mikael Olsson’s stubby dick and stocky body, though.

Was it obvious that one of the leads was being played by a person of the opposite gender from the character? Did the audience realize it? I'm trying to avoid a spoiler for those who haven't heard about it.

[quote] Was it obvious that one of the leads was being played by a person of the opposite gender from the character? Did the audience realize it? I'm trying to avoid a spoiler for those who haven't heard about it.

It was obvious to me because of her features. She had no lines so it was not a plot point. Same with the John C. Reilly/ Joaquin Phoenix film "The Sisters Brother". One character is played by a trans woman but she is playing it as a biologically born woman. Her voice gives her away, though.

The first “horror” scene in the movie is one of the most grotesque visuals I’ve ever seen in a film. Truly disturbing, very original.

Loved the first 3/4 of the movie, but the last third went off the rails for me ( sometimes less is more).

The infamous scene they showed at Comic-Con

Nice, thank you R270

Btw people commenting on the video say that the scene is much longer and far more gruesome, but it's still an appetizing preview.

For me, the sounds are worse than the visuals. The professional dancer who portrayed Olga did a great job!

So something actually happens with Olga this time around?

Lordy, there are some smart, knowledgeable people on DL!!!!!! And they're arguing knowledgeably about movies I'll never see and could never see because I'm squeamish and easily frightened. But I salute the extreme and peculiar expertise on display here.

Unfortunately the film not doing too well in its opening weekend, it barely made the top 20. I guess people would rather see Bohemian Rhapsody, kids--The Nutcracker, urban audiences--Nobody's Fool.

Everybody else probably went to see Venom, A Star is Born, or Halloween.

I really thought Suspiria would at least break the top 10.

Unfortunately the film not doing too well in its opening weekend, it barely made the top 20. I guess people would rather see Bohemian Rhapsody, kids--The Nutcracker, urban audiences--Nobody's Fool.

Everybody else probably went to see Venom, A Star is Born, or Halloween.

I really thought Suspiria would at least break the top 10.

It is only in 300 theaters right now -- it had the sixth best per screen average of the weekend.

I LOVED it. And the original is one of my favorite films. This felt very different but also very much in the same vein and you can tell this was a passion project for Luca. The art direction was absolutely stunning.

I’m so glad to see you say that R279

Suspiria was high on my list of movies that would be absolutely pointless,or worse, to ever remake but the more I’ve been reading about this it the more it seems like this was legitimately a passion project where somebody wanted to do justice to the story itself.

That I can go with.

The trend of horror remakes reimagining things to be worse, dumber, stupider, and grosser drives me batshit.

You could cut the entire old man storyline out and have a solid 90 min to 2 hour movie. Way too much pointless, undeveloped political context.

r281 the "old man storyline" is the sad beating heart of the thing, and you sound like a cheap Hollywood executive with no imagination

Christ, that scene was brutal! That's terrifying. I haven't even seen the movie yet and I know it's gotta be worth it just for that. THat's the craziest fucking thing I've seen in a horror movie in at least a decade.

Who do the witches worship and who is their god??? The devil or that thing with the droopy tits in the dungeon at the end???

The fuck is their religious beliefs?

You might want lay off on the ??? R284

It makes you seem like a senile old man

From what I gather the Three Mothers don't serve anyone. Their powers are innate. Their coven/zealots serve them. The studio is owned by Mother Markos (droopy tits)who is Mother of Sighs and is supposed to be the most powerful of the Mothers.

Mother Markos is not The Mother of Sighs -- she was making everybody think she was but then Suzy Bannion revealed herself to be Mother Suspiriorum. The black thing in the basement was a projection of Suzy's repressed true self laying waste to the fakers

R286 Tilda and Ms Tanner has a conversation where one of them said “I thought we were doing away with calling her “Mother” Markos. If she was truly one of the three Mothers, we wouldn’t be in this situation.”

It turns out that Susie was the true Mother Suspiriorum. And then heads exploded.

R278. Yeah, but there are no plans to expand that number currently anymore according to BOM. It was crowded around Halloween time but I still can't believe Amazon didn't try to release it then.

Are there really no plans to expand the number of theaters? That's a shame, because it's not playing anywhere where I live. They should at least release it on VOD then.

Hated this movie. It did remind me of Neon Demon, but at least that movie had stunning visuals and grabs you in the first 5 minutes. This one took forever to get going, and every scene felt meandering and pointless, the music didn't evoke nostalgia or horror, and most disappointingly the visuals fell flat. Even the effects looked cheap. The choreography was very good as were the locations but aside from a few callbacks to Argento's colorful style, the movie was not stylized at all. Nobody was frightened by the climax as much as they were trying to figure out what was going on. Not sure why they had Chloe for such a pointless role. The scenes with old man just dragged the film further down. An absolute mess of a movie. If the actresses started defecating on screen, it would have failed to get a reaction from the audience based on how bemused and disengaged they were.

I sorta loved it until the last 20 minutes (which needed more clarity and less blurry heads exploding). I normally can't stand Dakota, either.

It's not the original, but I am not sure it wants to me. There's something loving in the homage.

Dakota's abnormal, alien-sized forehead makes everything else UNWATCHABLE when she is on screen I'm sorry but it's true. They should have given her a thick headband to lessen the gap between hairline and eyebrows. Something. Anything. Good god please.

Hysterical queen, thinking he’s witty, poor lamb ^

Dakota is cute and looks more like her dad Don in the face. She’s not nearly as hot or pretty as her mom Melanie was in her prime, though.

She's a better actor than her Mom ever was, though

How much screen time does Angela Winkler have?

Dakota never could have pulled off Something Wild, Body Double or Working Girl.

Dakota's performance in Bigger Splash is really good and sly and surprising

[quote]How much screen time does Angela Winkler have?

Quite a bit. She was Madame Blanc (Tilda Swinton) right hand woman.

Is Dakota now a top 5 hollywood star actress she's literally everywhere I look. El Royale, Suspiria, she's got to be getting the first choices on screenplays now with the big girls.

R300 Thanks. I haven't seen in a role any larger than a cameo since Michael Haneke's Benny's Video. Great to see her return to the screen and loved all her stuff from the 1970's & 1980's.

Why hasn’r This movie played in my area yet ? Shouldn’t it done wide Halloween ?

Google it, you lazy whore

R303 Because its a box office failure but will hit streaming and physical media soon no doubt.

Oh was it a failure?

I saw about two hundred people waiting on line for this opening night in Hollywood. I couldn't believe it.

It's only in 311 theaters compared to Amazon Studios' other film Beautiful Boy which is in 776 theaters. But even for that limited amount of theaters the box office haul is not good at all. $2.6 million on a $20 million budget. But at least Luca got the chance to make the film he wanted.

I don't think Amazon had any faith in this movie, especially when they knew it would be competing with Halloween during the holiday which, I think, did way better than anyone was expecting. It still hasn't played anywhere near me and probably won't.

I think Amazon got scared after The Neon Demon which was similar in style and story to Suspiria. Very art house-y and no one went to see it (and a lot of the mainstream audiences that did hated it and told their friends not to see it). And that one DID play near me for about a week.

I just don't understand why they'd drop 20 mil on a movie they knew would have a very limited audience. Dropping 1-5 mil is understandable, but c'mon. Maybe they hope it can snag some nominations for Best Makeup or Best Score or something.

I assume this will hit Amazon Prime by January and be free for Prime subscribers just like all of Amazon's other movies. Certainly, they can't be making too much money off of that.

I want to see it but Dakota is no Jessica Harper plus the last thing she looks like is a ballet dancer.

R309 It was ballet for the original movie. In this version, it's a modern dance academy.

I really want to see this but it’s not playing anywhere near me at all. I couldn’t find a single theater listing in the entire state.

Amazon has zero confidence in this, but I think they're right. They don't want a Mother! situation where they open this weird, goofy arthouse horror movie wide and audiences tear it apart, they lose tons of money, and the movie's pulled out of theaters in a week.

I'm just curious as to why they financed this movie and for SO much money, too. 20 mil? That's a lot of money to spend on a movie you know will never play anywhere but arthouses. Seems like they'd know it'd be a losing situation. Or maybe they were hoping to cash in on the critical success of Call Me By Your Name.

R312, I think Amazon is just like Netflix was a couple of years ago, in their eagerness to be associated with major cinematic talent. And one of the ways to attract that talent is to throw a ton of money at them to do whatever they want. Netflix has backed off of that a bit, and HBO backed off from it years ago, but Amazon is playing catch-up, and they're probably viewing it as an investment in their brand that will pay off in prestige/future possibilities, even if it doesn't at the box office. So yeah, I think they had people keeping an eye out, took note of Call Me By Your Name's critical success and got involved. Of course, Netflix has lost a TON of money this way, so I don't know how great of an idea it actually is.

Netflix threw $90 mil at that execrable, "Bright", AND they greenlit the sequel. I think Amazon is gunning for awards (see the, "Okja" situation)- limited theatrical release so it can be properly called a movie and be in the running, then wide streaming release.

R308- $20 mil is still considered low budget.

I loved Okja

Wow! Priscilla Barnes has been in 30 episodes of Jane the Virgin. She has had a decent career.

Oops. Wrong thread.

Witch!

Watched it last week on DVD from Netflix. What a piece of pretentious, tedious crap. Not scary for one moment. It's one of those films that tries to be about a lot of different things, but fails to be engaging or convincing at any of them.

At least Argento had one basic thing in mind - the scare the crap out of you.

Why was the shrink character even in the movie? I'm telling you - the movie would be 60-70% better if they cut that character out completely.

Mark Kermode was spot-on in his critical assessment that there is a very strong 100 minute film trapped inside this indulgent mess. I sorta kinda loved it, especially how audaciously Luca adapted the material into something completely different but with definite echoes and callbacks to the original... but, nobody expected this to be a hit.

R320 it's stated in Tilda's contract that in every film she's in, she must either play an over-the-top, cartoony character, an androgynous character, or a male character, so they quickly wrote in the shrink role so she'd agree to sign on to the film.

R320, at best the shrink character may have been a (very loose) approximation of Dr. Vertigas from the original.

Great review, r291, agree completely. I so wanted to like this. I love the first half of the original, which is a truly original movie, though the ending is bad. This, however, was terrible. It had so much talent and some good ideas but pretensiouness won. It is boring and the only scene remotely scary/upsetting is the bones breaking dance, which is actually the first horror scene in the movie. Stangely, I think Dakota was quite good for the role, she had an ambiguous quality that seemed to suggest dumbness which worked.

Stopped it not even twenty minutes in as I was so bored. There was nothing particularly compelling about the camerawork to keep me watching either. Disappointing.

The market's a little oversaturated with freaky shit right now.

I was surprised by how much I liked Dakota in this, too. She wasn't half bad. Chloe Moretz was fucking useless as always, though. Mia Goth was great, as was Tilda. It just needed to trim at least 30 minutes. The shrink stuff should be first on the chopping block. I get that he was the apparent emotional center of the film, but all his scenes felt like they were from a totally different movie. There really is a pretty good 100 minute movie in here waiting to get out. Someone should try doing one of those fan cut things and see if it would work.

I still haven't seen the film. I usually read New York Magazine reviews and they wound up running two reviews for this film. The first reviewer trashed it as pretentious garbage while the second reviewer loved the movie. I though it was odd because nymag usually does not run multiple reviews of the same film.

Unlike Hereditary I liked the freaky out of control ending. One girl’s wish was to live but was she killed anyway ?We all love Tilda. Old age makeup and have a woman play a man rarely works. The role should have gone to a real man or been cut out all together and give Tess Harper a different cameo.

I think Hereditary's bonkers ending didn't work, because the rest of the film had a slightly different flavor. It's my only nitpick with that film - otherwise, I found it to be one of the true classic horror films of the past 2 decades. With Suspiria, I almost feel like that ending could have gotten even crazier.

Twas shit.

Holy Mary Mother of God this has to be the most boring movie ever made. Zero tension, even the bone breaking scene was boring. Watching on Amazon Prime who produced this mess and it looks terrible. All washed out in browns. I had heard the cinematography was gorgeous, well it ain't. Halfway thru....so Moretz was in it only for the first ten minutes? Still haven't seen Jessica Harper who I really like unless I actually went into an instantaneously temporary coma due to boredom.

Just watched it. It was horrible. I think it was really badly directed.

It had its moments, but it needed an editor. So much potential and a great cast. Why did they decide to stick in that pretentious subplot about the psychiatrist? It was like something from one of those awful student films or shorts you see at a film festival that thinks it's super deep, but it's not. Cut that out and it would have been halfway decent.

R120

IT IS TILDA.

"In October 2018, Swinton told The New York Times that Dr. Klemperer was played by Lutz Ebersdorf and Ebersdorf was played by her.

When asked why she played Ebersdorf, she said, "for the sheer sake of fun above all... The intention was never to fool anybody. The genius of [makeup artist] Mark Coulier notwithstanding, it was always our design that there would be something unresolved about the identity of the performance of Klemperer."

Swinton asked the makeup department to make a prosthetic penis, which she wore during filming.

Swinton wrote Ebersdorf's IMDb biography herself.

Guadagnino stated in a subsequent interview in Vulture that several of the actors in the film believed Ebersdorf to be a real person, specifically Ingrid Caven, who was unaware it was Swinton in disguise until after filming wrapped filming."

Total garbage. The only thing scary was someone gave money to the director to make this mess.