Contrary to Joy Reid's claims, people were criticizing the homophobia in Joy Reid's blog when it was on

What’s her defense team going to say about this?

Here's one post from 2007 showing people attacking her homophobia.

How curious that her undeniably real posts sound just like the ones she's saying are "fake".

How nice of her to point out that EVERYONE at her Superbowl party was disgusted at the sight of two men kissing. But they're not "violent homophobes". Interesting she chose to qualify that. So it's fine to be homophobic, as long as you're not violent seems to be the message.

[quote] What’s her defense team going to say about this?

I'd recommend "RussiansRussiansRussiansRussiansRussiansRussians". That's kept most of the heat off me for two years.

She stated that heterosexual men don’t like seeing 2 men kiss. Which is true. She didn’t say that it was right. If you believe that is not true. Ask several heterosexual men if they would like to see 2 men kissing or having sex. She simply pointed out that homophobia is still very much reality.

How much digging into the Republican Party’s platform or their current anti gay legislation are the right wing internet sleuths doing. Since they care so much about gays. What are they doing to stop real homophobia that threatens us. As someone in that twitter post mentioned. Using gays as a tool of the right wing (so that they can have free reign to istitute more anti gay public policy) does not help us in any way shape or form. It serves their interests only.

How many people going after Joy Reid are sitting at home watching Roseanne every week?

Do you just have no self-respect, R5? How can you find her comments remotely acceptable? And no she wasn't just talking about others - she said everyone at the party she was at reacted that way. And then she finishes off

[QUOTE]It's human nature to expect romantic pairings to be male-female. The visceral reaction people have to this ad is, I hate to say it, rather normal. Maybe gays don't want it to remain that way, but for now, it is.

I mean, first of all, the fact she keeps referring to "gays" just sounds off. But also, in her world, it's only gay people who might want that reaction to change. Not progressives, not liberals - no just "maybe gays don't want it to remain that way"

R7 how many Republicans have you targeted in your troll faux outrage campaign?

The Twitter user trying to take down Joy Reid is a Clinton hater who hates Joy because she supported Clinton.

Previous tweets from @Jamie_maz:

[quote] I often talk about how racist Bill and Hillary Clinton were. Read this poll the Hillary 08 campaign sent out about Obama. It's disgusting.

[quote] Bill Clinton was a member of a segregated golf club up until he ran for President in 1991.

[quote] I had to work even harder to find you acknowledging that Bill Clinton is a serial sexual predator and accused rapist. Didn't find any. Here's what Lisa Millwee said Clinton did to her when she was a young reporter.

[quote] Bill Clinton's welfare reform, via state grants, opened the way for massive racial disparities in who receives aid.

[quote] The similarities between White Water and the Clinton email story are fascinating . [quote] Christopher Hitchens in 2009 - Why are so many oligarchs & businessmen donating millions to the Clinton Foundation?

Another failing of social media......giving idiots a platform.....

R8 It's ridiculous to think it's somehow a binary choice of being against Republicans or being against fake allies and liars

I honestly don't see anything in her comments that is that damn bad, it is all fairly in line with how a lot of people felt at the time.

The killer is the lying. Completely unbecoming and something that I can't look overlook.

I don’t know how many times I’ve read here about the “tribal nature” of human beings, whenever racism is discussed. We’re supposed to somehow accept that. But we can’t talk about the fact that the majority of the population is straight and many of those people have homophobic tendencies. We are a small minority.

R11 so your answer is none.

What’s ridiculous is that liberals would allow themselves to be used as a tool or weapon to destroy fellow liberals.

And I don’t doubt that you will happily watch Roseanne this week.

I won't read the replies as I know most people on Datalounge would rather not condemn extremist homophobia when it is from someone they think is on their team.

But I will say this: if Joy could, she would be the first person to tell you she's not on your team. She thinks you (we) are predators and that what we do when we're with our husbands or boyfriends is inherently disgusting.

Fortunately, despite the hysterical chorus chanting "RUSSIA!!!", she's receiving a modicum of punishment, with a liberal magazines calling her out, another suspending her column, and a gay group rescinding an award previously planned for her.

The efforts and maniacal passion of her unhinged defenders are proving futile. So I have no reason to listen to the people barking on her behalf and reply to their every post as I did yesterday.

Good night.

[quote] The efforts and maniacal passion of her unhinged defenders are proving futile.

The only people who are maniacal and unhinged are the Clinton-hating Sanders supporters who are going after Joy because they're pissed that she supported Clinton (but who now claim that their outrage is actually because of her homophobia).

R14 no one said anything about Russia. And no one is hysterical but you.

Where did this Sanders shit from? Pure divide and conquer tactics being displayed I see.

It is the right that has had a sustained campaign to take down Joy Reid for some time now, they might have finally found their ammunition to do it. All the anti-Joy stories for months and months have been pushed by the right, she has been a constant figure of attack.

You keep building those strawmen R13, it just shows you have no real arguments left.

[quote] Where did this Sanders shit from?

The Twitter account of the person who launched this campaign against Joy. Lots of retweeting and praising of Sanders and Sanders supporters. Lots of hatred toward the Clintons and the Democratic establishment. It's all there in black and white.

Do try to keep up.

R17 the Sanders shit came from R18. He claims to be. “Bernie Bro” and he filled up 2 threads with hundreds of posts between last night and today. I said before that he’s possibly the anonymous twitter user.

[quote] The killer is the lying

Yep. If she'd admitted to writing the posts, apologized, and explained that her views have evolved over the past decade, I think many people could get past what she wrote. Pretending that her blog was hacked, however, makes her look ridiculous and very sleazy.

R20 You're simply wrong. Anyone with a modicum of sense can check my posts and I've never once said who I support politically. Just another strawman you're building.

So you’re using a different device today.

Never underestimate a mentally unstable internet troll.

'Bernie Sanders supporters' ≠ 'campaigners against Joy.'

And *no* - don't click on the OP's tweet link.

But why bring up Sanders here? Anyone who’s been on DL for a while knows this is a very pro Hillary forum. I can’t even remember the last time I’ve read anything positive about that old POS here. Is it possible that some posters don’t like Joy straight up lying about this whole mess? Or possibly don’t appreciate her homophobic comments?

Pulling out all the bullshit. You know the phobes are desperate when they start slinging the "Bernie Bro" thing around.

She's a homophobic CUNT. That does not make her a liberal or an ally. Fuck any asshole who defends her. You're a piece of shit, a deplorable.

[QUOTE]Is it possible that some posters don’t like Joy straight up lying about this whole mess? Or possibly don’t appreciate her homophobic comments?

The weird thing is that some people on here actually believe the answer to that is no. They can't accept the idea of someone having a different opinion from them. So have to pretend it's some kind of conspiracy. That's what echo chambers do to a person.

[quote]But why bring up Sanders here?

Because they are attempting to revive the rift between Sanders and Clinton supporters. Alternating the attacks on Joy with the Sanders issue is a way of offering two alternatives, both equally false - 'this? or this? this? or this?' It's a psychological trick; many people will subconsciously favor one proposition or the other, depending on their own predispositions.

It's like how the Russian trolls in 2016 propagated so many lies against Clinton at the same time, knowing that although some would be rejected, others would be tentatively accepted, or at least regarded as more probable. They're still playing the same complex propaganda games even now.

[quote] [R17] the Sanders shit came from [R18].

No, the "Sanders shit" came from @Jamie_Maz's Twitter account. He loves Sanders, hates the Clintons, hates the DNC, and therefore hates people like Joy who supported Clinton and mainstream Democrats. Again, all you have to do is read his Twitter account (something that DL'ers don't appear to be willing to do).

I've posted this twice before, but let me try one more time. Here are some of his previous tweets (before he started posting all of the Joy Reid shit):

[quote] I often talk about how racist Bill and Hillary Clinton were. Read this poll the Hillary 08 campaign sent out about Obama. It's disgusting.

[quote] Bill Clinton was a member of a segregated golf club up until he ran for President in 1991.

[quote] I had to work even harder to find you acknowledging that Bill Clinton is a serial sexual predator and accused rapist. Didn't find any. Here's what Lisa Millwee said Clinton did to her when she was a young reporter.

[quote] Bill Clinton's welfare reform, via state grants, opened the way for massive racial disparities in who receives aid.

[quote] The similarities between White Water and the Clinton email story are fascinating . [quote] Christopher Hitchens in 2009 - Why are so many oligarchs & businessmen donating millions to the Clinton Foundation?

Meanwhile, here's one of his pro-Bernie tweets. Plus, he also retweets Twitter users like "People for Bernie."

[quote] While most Democrats have been disappointingly silent, Bernie Sanders joined Native Americans protesting pipeline

It's clear that @Jamie_Maz is a Clinton-hating Sanders supporter who is pissed because Joy supported Clinton.

I don't understand her claim that women don't like to see men get it on, especially if they're hot. It's basically every straight man's fantasy to see two hot chicks have at it. Either's she full of shit, or I, as a gay man, don't understand female sexuality.

Most gay romance and slash fiction is written by women. She clearly doesn't know what she is talking about.

[quote] Alternating the attacks on Joy with the Sanders issue is a way of offering two alternatives

Why do you refuse to acknowledge the plain truth that the attacks on Joy are coming from someone who hated Clinton (which is why he hated Joy so much)?

R30 and R31 are clueless. Slash and shit like that represent the interest of a small minority of women, not most women.

[QUOTE]It's clear that @Jamie_Maz is a Clinton-hating Sanders supporter who is pissed because Joy supported Clinton.

Except it isn't. That he dislikes Clinton is clear. Your quoted example of his support for Sanders is lukewarm at best. And linking him finding Joy's comments to his dislike of Clinton is entirely your own speculation.

[quote]It's clear that @Jamie_Maz is a Clinton-hating Sanders supporter who is pissed because Joy supported Clinton.

Or an alt-right/Russian troll who is posing as a Sanders supporter in order to help keep the Clinton/Sanders rift alive, and who is ratfucking Joy because she's a successful MSNBC contributor.

[quote]I don't understand her claim that women don't like to see men get it on, especially if they're hot.

R30, there's no point in trying to reinforce the disputed material as being an actual position Joy Reid has taken.

A lot of great detective work going on and being revealed via Twitter.

I am approximately the same age as Joy, and I could not help but relate and nod my head(even though I am alone) while reading a Tweet which said, " It's like Joy doesn't understand how Google and the internet works."

Truly I believe that when all is said and done we will realize that her dearth of techno skills/knowledge is what led to the ill advised denial of the posts and the absurd claims of hacking. Those of us in the Gen X club, unless we are in the tech industry, do not possess the knowledge and tools of the average 13 year old boy today. I had no idea as to how the Wayback Machine operated before last night. Hell, I only had bare bones knowledge that it existed.

Anyhow, she's finished, and folks like Joan Walsh, though her intentions are honorable, would be better served to shut their traps now. It is plenty obvious to those who have followed this for 36 hours on all fronts that Joy has lied.

I believe MSNBC will fold their cards during the Friday night dump.

R30 you don’t understand female sexuality. Women and men are different. Their fantasies are different.

Call me crazy but seeing all these far right wing people even pretend to give a damn about gay rights seems like a sign of progress.

R37 you mean you hope and pray that liberals will once again be manipulated into working as a tool for the right. This serves only the interests of right wing conservatives. Liberals and gay liberals will gain nothing. And conservatives will continue to play this same game. They will move on to the next person on their list. Knowing that liberals will take the bait and fall in line.

Enjoy Roseanne this week or Sean Hannity or Laura Ingraham or any of the other right wingers who remain on television!

You’re fool R39. Those same pretenders will continue being homophobic and voting against gays every chance they get.

R39, no it's not. It's a purely rhetorical pose. They still hate LGBTQs with the heat of a thousand burning suns.

[quote] Except it isn't. That he dislikes Clinton is clear. Your quoted example of his support for Sanders is lukewarm at best.

Here is just a sampling of who he follows on Twitter. Does he sound like a Marco Rubio supporter to you? You would have to be blind not to see that he's a Sanders supporter.

Black Socialists of America

UC Berkeley Student Worker

Omy - Joy Reid's Cyber Security Guy

Joy Ann Reid's Homophobia

#MedicareforAll

DSA Queer Socialists

Hays HS Socialists 🌹

Tom 🌹 economic justice warrior

Bernie Sanders

Bernie Wan Kenobi

People For Bernie

NeoLiberal$ are Really Con$ervative$® 📉

ParanoidCrazyLeftist

Katrina vandenHeuvel

Our Revolution

Susan Sarandon

So, Joy's lawyer just gave a statement confirming that the FBI is investigating. If she did write those posts, she would be insane to get the FBI involved.

R42, that list looks like a far right parody of what a progressive/liberal/LGBTQ/socialist/communist's interests would be like. It's staged that way on purpose, just like the fake BLM pages.

Now I see the troll is resorting to another technique: flooding the thread with spam, in order to dilute the discussion with senseless bullshit.

R40 has snapped and is the one spamming the thread with video links

Is there a reason this shit can't be confined to one or two longish threads? Why are there so many?

The Washington Post casts doubt about whether the FBI will investigate.

[quote] Law enforcement — Nichols has told the Erik Wemple Blog that the FBI is aware of the allegations — may well not have the resources* to check into whether an MSNBC host’s ancient blog was compromised. “I really hope the FBI has better things to do,” says Michael Nelson, a computer scientist at Old Dominion University. And if it doesn’t, where does that leave the cable news channel?

The only person who has snapped R51 is you. We were discussing Joys relationship with the Bernie crowd. And the thing to keep in mind is that many of those Bernie supporters were never liberal or actually Democrats.

Robert Mueller has just leaked this FBI surveillance image of Bernie Sanders hacking Joy Reid's blog ten years ago. The socialist is caught "red" handed.

[quote]many of those Bernie supporters were never liberal or actually Democrats.

Those of whom you speak weren't US citizens, but Russian trolls pretending to be Bernie supporters.

[quote] that list looks like a far right parody of what a progressive/liberal/LGBTQ/soci - alist/communist's interests would be like.

It might look that way if those were the only accounts he follows. I deliberately posted only the most extreme ones. Feel free to look up his Twitter account on your own.

[quote] Now I see the troll is resorting to another technique: flooding the thread with spam, in order to dilute the discussion with senseless bullshit.

I don't know what kind of "troll" you think I am, or what kind of "spam" you think I'm posting. I have posted consistently, arguing against the piling on against Joy and how this resembles the Al Franken case. I have simply been trying to show that the attack against Joy has obvious political motivations. I originally thought that it was all coming from the far right. But now, I think it may be coming from the far left (with the far right, of course, gleefully joining in). I don't know how that makes me a "spammer" or a "troll."

I true believe it was the Russians. They started hacking her blog ten years ago, in anticipation of this.

R40 If the "next person on the list" has a closet full of skeletons like Joy Reid does, then I will be grateful to whomever it is who exposes them.

I have no interest in building a coalition of allies who are duplicitous in the name of political expediency. A false ally is not my ally.

And chill with your Roseanne bit. This is like the 4th time I have read it on the various Joy related threads.

I have hated Roseanne since the eighties. I never liked her or her show. You sound like an idiot.

r7, but it's honestly statIng what is true. I don't really get why this is considered so bad. Straight men don't want to see that.

If she just admitted it she could move on. We are very forgiving.

Let's be clear. Joy Reid did write all of these hideous blog posts, not only were they homophobic, they cheered on Trump, fat shamed Rosie O'Donnell, and were insanely mean

If you don't believe experts who know she's lying, her constant misspelling of 'feud' is a dead give away

She made same mistake in blog too