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Landlords are offering free rent in exchange for mansex all over facebook.

[quote]BuzzFeed News has uncovered dozens of ads on Facebook and other sites that reveal a new LGBT dimension to the housing crisis: young men lured into "sex for rent" contracts to avoid sleeping rough. In a multi-part investigation we expose the truth about these landlords, as young men speak out about being raped, beaten, drugged, infected with HIV and treated as domestic slaves.

[quote]It took just three months for Denholm Spurr’s life to plummet, for the newly graduated straight-A student to find himself exchanging sex for somewhere to live. He did not know what he would lose, that what awaited him was a succession of men who would drug and abuse him, that he would be infected with HIV, and, on several occasions, raped. Sometimes the men – some of the landlords – had no need to use force. “I didn’t have the strength to say no,” he said. “I became what I felt people wanted. I branded myself as this ‘sexual being’ that other people fed off… I felt that’s what I needed to do.” Spurr’s eyes flickered as he cast his mind back over everything. “The last five years of my life would have been extremely different had I just had somewhere to stay.”

[quote]He wants people to know what happens when young men so desperate to avoid sleeping on the streets will do anything for shelter – and what lies in wait. He wants to raise the alarm. In a multipart investigation, BuzzFeed News exposes a dimension to the housing crisis that has so far been concealed: men having to exchange sex for a place to stay. Over the last few months, numerous stories have highlighted how landlords are exploiting young women unable to afford accommodation by offering them “sex-for-rent” arrangements. But the reports, including an entire BBC documentary, have omitted a demographic: gay men, lured into these arrangements, sometimes for different reasons, often with devastating consequences. Today, in the first instalment of this series, we uncover some of the damage done to these young men – the sexual violence – by landlords, and reveal how they are being enabled by two major internet companies, one of which is Facebook. The world’s largest social media platform, BuzzFeed News can reveal, is hosting explicit posts from landlords promising housing in return for gay sex.

[quote]In multiple interviews with the men exchanging sex for rent and groups trying to deal with the crisis, BuzzFeed News also uncovered a spectrum of experiences that goes far beyond what has so far been documented, with social media, hook-up apps, and chemsex parties facilitating everything. At best, impoverished young men are seeking refuge in places where they are at risk of sexual exploitation. At worst, teenagers are being kept in domestic prisons where all personal boundaries are breached, where their lives are in danger.

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by Anonymousreply 61April 19, 2018 4:27 PM

I hope they get arrested.

by Anonymousreply 1April 18, 2018 1:49 PM

god dam facebook

shut the thing down

by Anonymousreply 2April 18, 2018 1:52 PM

You mean like the Village Voice and Advocate ads for "houseboys" in the 1970s?

by Anonymousreply 3April 18, 2018 2:02 PM

Some examples of ads

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by Anonymousreply 4April 18, 2018 2:07 PM

[quote]I hope they get arrested.

It is a gray area. If it is consensual adults there is nothing illegal about the arrangement, not all the examples are so sordid as the guy who got drugged up and raped.

by Anonymousreply 5April 18, 2018 2:11 PM

I'll just say it, so the usual person doesn't have to: This is why they hate us.

by Anonymousreply 6April 18, 2018 2:16 PM

How awful.

by Anonymousreply 7April 18, 2018 2:16 PM

maybe some of the arrangements work out just fine.

not all old queers are mean.

git real.

by Anonymousreply 8April 18, 2018 2:19 PM

There's no sex for rent arrangement that isn't sordid, R5.

by Anonymousreply 9April 18, 2018 2:27 PM

The uproar over this is absurd. For someone to willingly give their body in exchange for rent, well, they should know what they are signing up for. There are always other options, and most cities have shelters. I know a shelter is not the ideal situation, btu neither is willingly have sex with someone you don't want to, just for a place to stay.

by Anonymousreply 10April 18, 2018 2:38 PM

Seems like a pretty good deal to me

by Anonymousreply 11April 18, 2018 2:48 PM

Well *I* think itshh OUTRAAGEOUSH!

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by Anonymousreply 12April 18, 2018 3:23 PM

I don't understand how a white, straight-A college student gets to be in that situation to begin with.

by Anonymousreply 13April 18, 2018 4:03 PM

The website in R4 looks like it is from 1998 & that is a crime too.

(The other appropriate comments were already made.)

I could take a tenant here because I have many extra bedrooms but I think they'd annoy me within days. The sound carries too much. I've debated it since I moved in... but I think I've lived alone too long. I would never do it for sex. If they could clean the kitchen though....

by Anonymousreply 14April 18, 2018 4:07 PM

From the article:

[quote] Even, therefore, when this man offered Spurr the sofa rather than sharing his bed, Spurr would not take up the offer. “I would feel like I should sleep [in his bed]… I became what I felt people wanted.”

[quote] In the evenings, Spurr would begin to sense that the man he was staying with wanted sex. “All of a sudden they’re really close to you, in your personal space. There may be times when they say, ‘Do you want this?' And you’ll be like, ‘Yeah?’ And it’s very difficult because they have asked the question and you have said yes.” Consent evaporates.

well, [italic]no,[/italic] leglly. and ethically too. You don;t get to insist on sharing the bed (instead of taking the sofa offered to you) and say "yes" to sex and then claim it was rape, as this guy is doing.

Once again, someone is making lousy decisions and then putting the responsibility for them on someone else. He was an adult when all this happened. He has to take responsibility for his bad decisions.

by Anonymousreply 15April 18, 2018 4:57 PM

There are clearly some people doing horrible things with this set up; but it is not, on it's face, illegal.

by Anonymousreply 16April 18, 2018 5:34 PM

I don't think it's bad. It's men reaching agreements with other men; there's no woman - no serious coercion.

by Anonymousreply 17April 18, 2018 6:13 PM

I don't see any problem with it. Unless they are Rose Nylund types, these are adult men who know what they are getting themselves into beforehand.

by Anonymousreply 18April 18, 2018 6:22 PM

Illegal or not, it's still creepy to take advantage of someone in a bad situation. I'm not saying in this particular case, the "victim" is also at fault. I'm saying in general - telling someone you'll help them, but only if sex is involved, is really low and despicable. Why not just help, and ask them to (as some poster up there said), clean the kitchen, or help with chores, or something.

by Anonymousreply 19April 18, 2018 6:23 PM

[quote]Why not just help, and ask them to (as some poster up there said), clean the kitchen, or help with chores, or something.

They are under no obligation to offer someone free residence in their home. They are willing to do so in exchange for sex. If that sounds bad to you (which is a perfectly normal response), don't respond to the ad.

by Anonymousreply 20April 18, 2018 6:25 PM

I agree whole heartedly R19, I think people saying it's not illegal are more just lamenting there is no way to stop it. If people want to do this, they can

by Anonymousreply 21April 18, 2018 6:26 PM

[quote]Illegal or not, it's still creepy to take advantage of someone in a bad situation.

Sometimes it can work out rather well. Sort of.

by Anonymousreply 22April 18, 2018 6:27 PM

[quote] Illegal or not, it's still creepy to take advantage of someone in a bad situation.

You've just described the entire porn industry in a nutshell, and you'll be hardpressed to find any man, gay or straight, who wants to eliminate porn.

by Anonymousreply 23April 18, 2018 6:30 PM

[quote] Illegal or not, it's still creepy to take advantage of someone in a bad situation.

That's, like, all of capitalism.

by Anonymousreply 24April 18, 2018 6:33 PM

Some of us are willing to do what you have to.

by Anonymousreply 25April 18, 2018 6:35 PM

[quote] Illegal or not, it's still creepy to take advantage of someone in a bad situation.

[quote] That's, like, all of capitalism.

Right?

I'm looking straight at you, pharmaceutical, banking, and real estate industries.

by Anonymousreply 26April 18, 2018 6:35 PM

I didn’t realize young men today were so naive.

Where do these filthy perverts go to advertise these arrangements?

by Anonymousreply 27April 18, 2018 6:42 PM

This is skeevy as all get out, but that article looks like it was written for Breitbart.

by Anonymousreply 28April 18, 2018 6:43 PM

[quote] Where do these filthy perverts go to advertise these arrangements?

well, R27, it used to be Craigslist...

by Anonymousreply 29April 18, 2018 6:45 PM

[quote]all over facebook.

[quote]BuzzFeed News has uncovered dozens of ads on Facebook

[quote]Where do these filthy perverts go to advertise these arrangements?

...

by Anonymousreply 30April 18, 2018 6:49 PM

[quote] young men lured into "sex for rent" contracts to avoid sleeping rough

I would think those young men are sleeping rather rough after endless nights of sex for rent.

by Anonymousreply 31April 18, 2018 6:51 PM

Where do these filthy perverts go to advertise these arrangements?

Asking for a friend.

by Anonymousreply 32April 18, 2018 7:02 PM

One of the reasons I began to despise Craigslist personals before they folded was because of the overwhelming number of posts by old men offering money, drugs and/or a place to stay in exchange for sex. It goes beyond mere individual choices to engage or not. You don't want a society where it's okay to exploit people sexually for the necessities of life (shelter). It debases everybody. Seeing this shit actually made me start to respect the social benefits of marriage.

This thread, like DL generally, is lacking empathy. Being homeless is a terrible thing. It's terrifying, dangerous, and soul-crushing. "Sex for shelter" isn't mere fucking for a place to crash. Like the article suggests, it includes domestic slavery, endlessly increasing demands on the "renter," the threat of eviction, and various forms of emotional and physical abuse.

Most shelters in major U.S. cities are over capacity. And you may not know this, but men are very under served by current shelter options. Most shelter beds are for women and children. I do not donate $$ to shelters that do not include men, and I send their boards nasty letters about sex discrimination when I see such shelters out fund raising.

by Anonymousreply 33April 18, 2018 7:42 PM

[QUOTE]BuzzFeed News also uncovered a spectrum of experiences that goes far beyond what has so far been documented, with social media, hook-up apps, and chemsex parties facilitating everything.

It’s more than Facebook.

by Anonymousreply 34April 18, 2018 7:42 PM

R33 I agree with you that its disgusting behavior and we should feel bad for those taken advantage of. I suspect everyone on here does (especially today lol)

[quote] You don't want a society where it's okay to exploit people sexually for the necessities of life (shelter)

But this has been a part of every society that's ever existed on this planet. There is a reason prostitution is called the "oldest profession". There's really nothing that can be done because its not illegal for someone to offer to let you live with them if they agree to have sex with you.

It's much harder to prosecute something like this than brazen prostitution where money is exchanged. If I let someone I'm hooking up with from Tinder stay with me for a couple days, then we stop having sex and I kick him out, that, based on just the letter of the law, isn't any different from the arrangements above.

by Anonymousreply 35April 18, 2018 7:49 PM

The problem is that there is no sure way to negotiate this arrangement - one person holds all the power and can change the dynamics on a whim.

Different topic - but related - but most of these ads are by men over 55, I would imagine. It's been my experience that gay men over 55 can (not always) be some of the most damaged people you'll ever meet.

Their social and sexual expectations are very old school and over the top. (Note all the public sex in gym sauna defenders on this board). It's NOT the pioneers who were out early on - it's the ones that were closeted for sooooo long. These are the ones that make it hard for the rest of us.

by Anonymousreply 36April 18, 2018 8:01 PM

Many years ago - over 10 years ago - some guy met me on gay.com & said he was coming here for Pride weekend from 2-3 hrs away. I wanted to meet him (he was very hot) and then he said he could meet Saturday night because he would get in the day before the parade. We met & he was still hot in person - but he didn't seem into me and/or he was nervous. I couldn't tell. I said we could go out & get a drink or whatever...and we did but he didn't change much. Part of that was me saying "you can go... you don't have to hook up with me..have fun..." but he still followed me back to my apt. I said "do you just want to get your bag and go," and he said "no that's ok."

It was getting late & I was wondering when he'd leave but it seemed like he never wanted to. Suddenly, he was all over me, getting naked, and we had a whole 15 minutes of sex & he promptly fell asleep on my bed. The next day he took a shower at 8 AM and was gone for good.

Long story short: The bitch was too cheap to get a hotel room on pride weekend & decided that pretending he wanted to hook up / was into me would be his AirBnB for the weekend. So, apparently it can work both ways, though I'm sure I am in the minority. We were basically the same age (mid 20s - I think he was a little older) and he seemed into me for the prior weeks. At least he was hot.

by Anonymousreply 37April 18, 2018 8:07 PM

What's a chemsex party? How would you recruit guys to live with you from one?

by Anonymousreply 38April 18, 2018 8:26 PM

R38, there are party houses all over the place, in cities and rural areas, where people gather and do drugs, fuck, and occasionally eat fast food or bathe.

When groups of people gather with the purpose of doing having sex while doing drugs - especially modern ones like meth, crack, and others - it's called "chemsex" in the UK and Ireland.

A lot of the people who visit these crackhouses don't have a permanent place to live, so they might stay for a period of time, if permitted.

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by Anonymousreply 39April 18, 2018 8:39 PM

The whore got some free rent and some parTy time. I don't see the problem here.

by Anonymousreply 40April 18, 2018 8:40 PM

Thanks, R39. It's dark, but I find that kind of arousing. Not the free rent thing but the sex dimension.

by Anonymousreply 41April 18, 2018 8:52 PM

I think this is classic solicitation for prostitution. I’m not judging, becsuse I don’t really care. But it seems to have all the elements of that crime. And it is a crime in almost every state.

by Anonymousreply 42April 18, 2018 8:55 PM

That behavior is common on Fire Island r37. You have "backpackers" who show up for the day but don't have a houseshare to sleep in. They are on the hunt for someone to hook up with so they can stay in their place for the night. Everyone knows the deal.

by Anonymousreply 43April 18, 2018 8:56 PM

That's funny r43 - and all these years I was so disappointed he used me for my apt. I guess it serves its purpose if it is a 2 sided deal.

by Anonymousreply 44April 18, 2018 9:07 PM

Wait, you can get young guys to have sex with you by offering them a place to stay? Hell, yeah, baby!

by Anonymousreply 45April 19, 2018 2:23 AM

[quote] What's a chemsex party?

I'm a party where people watch little beakers and Bunsen burners copulate, Rose.

by Anonymousreply 46April 19, 2018 2:26 AM

Love for Sale. . . . .

by Anonymousreply 47April 19, 2018 2:39 AM

They're old trolls would prefer to sleep on a bench tbh.

by Anonymousreply 48April 19, 2018 2:44 AM

[QUOTE]You have "backpackers" who show up for the day but don't have a houseshare to sleep in. They are on the hunt for someone to hook up with so they can stay in their place for the night.

Whores!

by Anonymousreply 49April 19, 2018 12:31 PM

That does seem to often be the case, R36.

by Anonymousreply 50April 19, 2018 1:01 PM

Hot young homeless men are always welcome here at the Sheltering Bubbles Shelter! Amenities include bubble baths, cocaine, porn, and footsucking.

by Anonymousreply 51April 19, 2018 1:22 PM

My next door neighbor is a 60 year old gay man who rents out his second bedroom to be able to pay his mortgage. He's had a string of people over the past 10 years. The last time he advertised for a new roommate he told me he did get a response from a guy who wanted to pay for the room with sexual favors. He turned him down.

by Anonymousreply 52April 19, 2018 2:04 PM

This thread reminded me of the recent thread of two female porn stars who said they were raped because I can't believe how naive these young people are today.

by Anonymousreply 53April 19, 2018 2:15 PM

Being coerced into sex is unacceptable - and criminal behavior. Drugging and raping people is reprehensible.

But, the part of this story that is being wildly overlooked is that these guys are adults who made choices. Trading sex for anything ended poorly - I'm shocked.

Where is personal agency in all of this? As far as I can tell, none of these guys were coerced or forced into these situations. And they were free to stop at any time. You can't blame other people for your bad choices in life when they are purely your own choices.

There are lots of people who are exploited and need and deserve assistance.

Make better choices and you won't end up being one of them.

by Anonymousreply 54April 19, 2018 2:27 PM

I've long believed that Millennials dabble in the sex trade (naked house cleaning, body worship, 'mo jobs (receiving), whatever). Probably why they're so open about gay issues: it's their bread and butter.

No way can they afford designer ice cream and trips to Amsterdam on their salaries.

by Anonymousreply 55April 19, 2018 2:36 PM

Libertarians and Republicans believe that everyone is where they are because everyone has complete control over their lives. Unfortunate events are your fault for not dealing with them better.

People can make all the "right" choices and still end up destitute for no fault of their own, such as an unexpected hospital stay / surgery or series of unfortunate events.

I'm not arguing about the guys exchanging rent for sex - that IS their choice, at least in the case presented in the article, and it might be a good or bad one, but it doesn't necessarily have to be a bad choice because a lot of it depends on who they are and who they're staying with. But they aren't choosing to stay with a psycho or mass murderer - sometimes what you see isn't what you get.

by Anonymousreply 56April 19, 2018 3:18 PM

"This thread reminded me of the recent thread of two female porn stars who said they were raped because I can't believe how naive these young people are today."

Oh, God, I always laugh at the eldergays looking to take potshots at "young people today" as if this didn't happen it the past.

"I've long believed that Millennials dabble in the sex trade (naked house cleaning, body worship, 'mo jobs (receiving), whatever). Probably why they're so open about gay issues: it's their bread and butter."

Another clueless eldergay who thinks this didn't happen in the past. Probably a Republican gay, too, since he thinks supporting gay rights is something to bash people over.

by Anonymousreply 57April 19, 2018 3:37 PM

[quote]Libertarians and Republicans believe that everyone is where they are because everyone has complete control over their lives. Unfortunate events are your fault for not dealing with them better.

While that is often true, the real underlying problem is that it's only true when it's "other" people. Coal miners believe that that it's not their fault, but the result of unfortunate events outside their control. Manufacturing workers believe that it's the damn globalization.

One consistent theme seems to be that "your problems are your fault, but my problems were someone else's fault."

Everything in moderns society has been pathologized - primarily to remove stigma and obviate personal responsibility. While the removal of some stigma is good, so that people get the help they need, it's the second part that's created problems. People have to work to improve their own situations, as well. Whether it's drug addiction or unemployment, help must be available AND you must work to improve your situation, not continue to wallow in victimhood.

by Anonymousreply 58April 19, 2018 3:52 PM

The freepers who lecture others about "victimhood" and "personal responsibility" are always the first ones to blame their problems on gays, feminism, affirmative action, etc.

by Anonymousreply 59April 19, 2018 3:57 PM

[quote]The freepers who lecture others about "victimhood" and "personal responsibility" are always the first ones to blame their problems on gays, feminism, affirmative action, etc.

Agreed - though I'd say it goes a lot farther than blaming gays, feminism, affirmative action.

The freepers who habitually blame others seem to have a bigger chip on their shoulders - not just that they are the victims of forces outside their control, but they have somehow been actively targeted AND deprived of something that should have rightfully been theirs. It's an aggrieved victimization.

by Anonymousreply 60April 19, 2018 4:22 PM

R55, you're so correct. WeHo offers ample opportunity. Cash runneth over, available to anyone young willing to get blown by an older or less attractive guy.

by Anonymousreply 61April 19, 2018 4:27 PM
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