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Theybies: Parents Trying To Raise Genderless Kids

Is it possible to raise your child entirely without gender from birth? Meet the parents raising theybies

For months leading up to the birth of his child, Bobby McCullough was nervous. His partner, Lesley Fleishman, had enjoyed an easy and uncomplicated pregnancy. The couple’s sunny Brooklyn apartment was now stocked with a crib and diapers and soft, tiny clothes. They were as ready to enter parenthood as any two people could be, and they welcomed it. But still, McCullough worried that the first few seconds of his child’s life would unfurl like some Hollywood script, the wriggling newborn lifted up into the air while “It’s a boy” or “It’s a girl” rang out across the hospital room — both pronouncement and fate. “It just would have fucked us up,” he says now, eight weeks later, as, nuzzled against his chest, his tiny baby sleeps, a sweetly mewing black-haired dollop of a human. And so he told hospital staff, “ ‘At minimum, do not describe the anatomy, or what you think the anatomy means, when this baby’s born.’ We definitely wanted to prevent them being gendered in any intense moment. And everybody was aware of that.”

In fact, McCullough and Fleishman already knew what anatomy their child would have. They’d learned it toward the end of the first trimester through a fairly routine test and had instinctually sent an email to close friends and family with the news. They didn’t particularly care what the baby’s sex was but also didn’t feel that it needed to be kept a secret. Then, just a few days later, an article showed up in McCullough’s Facebook feed about a Canadian baby who had been issued a health card without a gender designation — perhaps the first instance in the world of a government entity not assigning a gender at birth. For McCullough, this was a revelation. “Definitely the concept of not enforcing gender stereotypes was something that was on our radar, but we simply didn’t know or have the idea on our own to not assign the baby a gender,” he says. He began scouring the internet, looking for more information, for other families who might have made the same choice, for guidelines as to how one might go about it. He found a Facebook group and asked to join. Soon he was privy to the names and photos and thoughts and conversations of a small but hard-core group of families who were raising theybies — babies whose parents had decided not to reveal their sex, who used they/them pronouns for their children, and whose goal was to create an early childhood free of gendered ideas of how a child should dress, act, play, and be.

For McCullough, who is black and describes himself as an “outspoken ally” of the trans community, it was a sort of utopia come to life. “This specific group really empowered the hell out of us to do this,” he says. “It was my favorite place to go on the internet. It was just like, ‘Wow, there’s something that we can do parenting-wise that completely goes with our value system.’ ”

Fleishman was at work when, armed with several articles, McCullough reached out with the idea that their baby should be a theyby. At first, she wasn’t so sure. “It sounds a little ‘cas,’ ” — as in casual — “like, ‘I was just browsing Facebook and then we made a major life decision off our newsfeed,’ ” she tells me later, sitting next to McCullough on the sofa in their living room. “As a concept, I was always like, ‘Sure, this makes total sense.’ But it was just the pronouns conversation. I mean, having a baby is already difficult, but then having to explain that to your grandma?” By the next day, however, she’d come around to the idea. It would be sometimes hard and sometimes confusing and sometimes uncomfortable, but it was, she says, “the right thing to do.”

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The couple crafted an email to friends and family explaining their decision and asking them to disregard any sex revelations they’d shared. They set up dinners with their parents to answer questions and try to allay concerns. They looked for a midwife who would be willing to not register a gender and began researching how and if they could apply for a birth certificate without one listed. Before their baby shower, Fleishman sent an email saying, “The greatest gift you could give me would be practicing the pronouns.” How could she say whether the fetus growing inside her was a boy or a girl (or neither or both)? It was clear to her that sex (which is medically assigned) and gender (which is how someone identifies) were two different things. “We wouldn’t tell somebody else how they should identify or who they should be or what they are,” McCullough points out. The baby stirs, and he pats their tiny back. “I’ve definitely had thoughts like, Why isn’t everybody doing this?” For a small but growing cohort of parents — ones who see gender as a spectrum rather than a binary — the unisex movement of the ’60s and the “gender neutral” parenting trends that have followed have come up woefully short. For them, society’s gender troubles cannot be solved by giving all children dolls and trucks to play with or dressing them all in the color beige; the gender binary must not simply be smudged but wholly eradicated from the moment that socialization begins, clearing the way both for their child’s future gender exploration and for wholesale cultural change. In 2011, parents Kathy Witterick and David Stocker became the objects of international attention — and “vitriolic” criticism, as they told the Toronto Star, the paper that originally broke the story — when they became one of the first families to go public with their decision not to assign a gender to their third child, Storm. People questioned whether a child raised without gender would be able to form an identity, whether Storm would suffer permanent psychological damage, whether the parents themselves were mentally ill. A barrage of cruel letters arrived on the family’s doorstep. Cars passing them in the road would slow so that the driver could yell “Boy!” or “Girl!” out the window.

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Navigating the World of Boys When You’re Gender Nonconforming Parents Should Let Children Be Their Gender Nonconforming Selves It was actually the anger that drew the attention of Kyl Myers, now the parent of a 2-year-old theyby, Zoomer. A gender-studies student at the University of Utah at the time, Myers understood gender to be not a biological imperative but rather a social construct. “I had read the stories about Storm, I had seen the comments, and I just thought, I have such a different experience with the world and a different idea about gender than these people do. Sure, there are biological differences among the sexes, I get that. But once I was exposed to it, I couldn’t unsee or unlearn that gender is a social construction.”

She couldn’t unsee, for example, that gender roles and norms vary across time and space, even from one household to the next. “I remember in one of my textbooks, it was like, ‘Imagine, if you could, a child that no one knows their gender.’ And it’s like, ‘Imagine, if you could? What are you talking about? That could happen.’ ” Should happen, Myers felt.

by Anonymousreply 1April 12, 2018 2:56 AM

Or they could just treat boy and girl children the same.

by Anonymousreply 2April 12, 2018 2:58 AM

“I knew that I wanted to parent like this years before I ever got pregnant,” she says. “I knew I wanted to parent like this before I met the father of my child.” If no one knew her child’s sex, then no one could treat that baby like a boy or a girl, molding the child to fit into the stereotypes that Myers believed to be unfounded. The point was not to have a genderless child but one who comes to an understanding of their gender — whatever it might be — in an environment where colors and objects and activities are not slotted into the arbitrary and binary categories of “girl” and “boy,” and the concepts of “girl” and “boy” are not set up in opposition to each other. “We were just like, ‘Let’s make it look like a rainbow exploded in this house,’ ” Myers explains of wanting to provide Zoomer with all available options, rather than limiting options to those deemed to be gender neutral. oy?

Boys and girls ages 6-14 discuss gender and stereotypes. In fact, “gender neutral” is a term that tends to be rejected by people parenting this way — in lieu of “gender open,” “gender affirming,” or “gender creative” — and Kyl’s website, raisingzoomer.com, and its accompanying Instagram account have become go-to destinations for families curious about what gender-creative parenting might look like. And what it looks like is pretty appealing, with Myers’s photogenic and well-lit family doing such wholesome things as hiking and biking and cuddling under fluffy comforters in stylish, well-appointed rooms. Sometimes Zoomer is wearing pink. Sometimes they’re wearing their dinner.

If no one knew her child’s sex, then no one could treat that baby like a boy or a girl. What Instagram can’t quite show, however, is the awareness and specificity and — a favorite word among this cohort — intentionality required to remove gender bias from a child’s life. (When sociologist Elizabeth Sweet did an analysis of over 7,000 Sears-catalogue toy advertisements, for example, she found that toys are more gendered today than they were at any time in the 20th century.) “We aren’t going to gender things that don’t need to be gendered,” says Myers. “Zoomer has a stuffed Dory toy, and we say ‘she’ for Dory because Dory is a she.” The stuffed horse she got Zoomer at the Denver airport, however, has no backstory; it goes by “they.” Pronouns are likewise scrambled in books to give equal airtime to female and nonbinary heroes (one family tells me of reading the Harry Potter series using they/them pronouns for Harry). Parents do not shy away from describing body parts, but are quick to let children know that “some people with penises aren’t boys, and some people with vaginas aren’t girls,” as one mom told me. And families are careful to shop in both the boys’ and girls’ sections of stores, to avoid clothing that is hypergendered (almost anything with words on it), and — once they’re old enough to express a preference — to follow their children’s lead in how they want to dress, which may involve pairing sequined shoes with camo pants or a sports jersey with a tiara. Couples are also careful about how they model gender themselves. Both parents will cook and clean. Both parents will mow the lawn.

by Anonymousreply 3April 12, 2018 2:58 AM

When it comes to preschool and day care, many of the most progressive places are also the most expensive — and still may not yet be progressive enough. Leah Jacobs, the parent of a gender-creative toddler named Scout whose family recently moved from the Bay Area (very gender open) to Pittsburgh (far less so), tells of going to visit day-care providers and waiting to drop what she knew could be a bombshell: “We don’t really do this whole gender thing. Do you think you could use gender-neutral pronouns for our child?” As she explains it, “There was a lot of fear we experienced because you don’t know how other people are going to respond to that. This is like asking people to essentially provide you their philosophy on the nature of gender and whether they understand it as nonbinary and nonessential and all these things that are not just about, ‘Can we pick up and drop off between 8 and 8:30?’ ”

Once Jacobs, whose partner identifies as nonbinary, selected a day-care provider, she sent an email further explaining her stance and asking that the caregivers — who would certainly be changing Scout’s diapers — not share Scout’s anatomy with anyone else. “It was a little hard at first,” says Jenny Lee, who was one of Scout’s teachers. “Not because we had any sort of philosophical challenge with it — we were really behind what they were doing — just because of the grammar. But what it ended up doing, I think, was making us really aware of all the things in our class that were gendered unnecessarily. This baby doll that’s wearing blue we would call ‘he.’ But why? Why does Old MacDonald have to be a man?” Other parents at the day care were mostly accommodating as well, though one still continued to use a gendered pronoun for Scout. “They were just totally out of the loop,” says Jacobs, who learned her lesson and made cards introducing Scout and gender-open parenting when they moved up to the toddler class. The kids, according to Lee, couldn’t care less.

by Anonymousreply 4April 12, 2018 2:59 AM

I mean, whatever. These people will learn, eventually, that this kid WILL fall into (stereo)typical gender roles, and unless it’s one of the less than 1% of people who are gender-fucked, it’ll identify as the gender that matches its chromosomes and anatomy.

by Anonymousreply 5April 12, 2018 3:00 AM

In the end, McCullough’s preparations paid off. When his child, Sojourner Wildfire, came into the world, no one looked at their tiny body and made any sort of announcements as to who or what that child might grow up to be. And since then, there have been other reassuring moments. A nurse mentioned to them that another family had asked to use they/them pronouns for their baby, and at a gender workshop hosted by a local preschool, McCullough’s explanation of how he was raising Sojourner met with unqualified approval (“Hell, yeah!” was one parent’s response). Most important, a few weeks after leaving the hospital — and after months of calls and supplications to the New York Department of Health — baby Sojourner’s birth certificate arrived in the mail, with four little stars where the gender designation would normally be. “That,” says McCullough, “is a very powerful, meaningful thing for us, that birth certificate.”

Still, the family’s day-to-day routine does not revolve solely around gender; it revolves around the minor catastrophes of keeping a tiny newborn human alive. The few times they’ve ventured out in the winter cold have been mainly uneventful. If people ask if Sojourner is a boy or a girl, Fleishman explains, they say something to the effect of: “We’re going to let them decide how they identify when they’re ready.” In their Brooklyn neighborhood of Flatbush, that often does the trick, though a neighbor initially thought they were joking. “She thought we were pulling a fast one on her,” says McCullough. “I was like, ‘No, this is what we’re doing.’ ” Friends and acquaintances usually just roll with it. “But I don’t know if our parents are onboard,” says Fleishman, describing their stance as “tolerating.” Most accepting by far was McCullough’s mom, but, he says, “she still has some reservations about what we’re doing.”

McCullough and Fleishman don’t. “Our baby is going to be whatever they want to be,” he says. “And then we’re going to send somebody out into the world who is in turn not going to project their own opinions or stereotypes onto who someone else should be. I’m happy for our kid to be the vehicle in which our parents and friends get up to speed with what’s going on. Change has to happen, and we’re doing it.”

Meanwhile, this tiny vehicle for change knows nothing of these lofty goals. They just gently sleep.

by Anonymousreply 6April 12, 2018 3:00 AM

So profoundly stupid. Going out of their way just in case their kid might be one of the .5% of people who are transgender...

When will this stupid gender obsession die? Aren’t there more important things in the world? This *is* one of the reasons Trump won.

by Anonymousreply 7April 12, 2018 3:07 AM

Yawn. Unless they're going to keep that kids locked up at home with no access to the outside world or peers its own age, the kid is going to be exposed to gendered expectations.

by Anonymousreply 8April 12, 2018 3:09 AM

I think this is brilliant and very late in coming! I truly hope that the Progressive Democrats will stress the importance of genderless babies in the campaign of 2000.

by Anonymousreply 9April 12, 2018 3:38 AM

The narcissism of those parents is nauseating.

by Anonymousreply 10April 12, 2018 3:47 AM

Exactly, R9.

by Anonymousreply 11April 12, 2018 3:54 AM

"Genderless" is "transspeak" nonsense. What they mean is gender non-conforming.

by Anonymousreply 12April 12, 2018 3:57 AM

I'll be so glad when the "they" fad passes. Babies are "it" much of the time anyway--the insistence on "they" just shows an insane amount of hubris.

by Anonymousreply 13April 12, 2018 4:46 AM

Zoomer seems like a better name for a dog than a person.

by Anonymousreply 14April 12, 2018 4:57 AM

These people are psychotic. They can raise their child without gender stereotypes by just being a decent parent, not treating them like a social experiment.

I swear, the gender non-confirming people are just as sexist as the most conservative Republicans. "I'm gender non-confirming because I don't like wearing pink and dresses!" Like there's no other way to be a woman than "wear pink dresses".

by Anonymousreply 15April 12, 2018 5:44 AM

As David Reimer's story proves, most traditionally "boyish" or "girly" behaviors come naturally to children, and in the VAST MAJORITY of cases, they fall in line with the child's biological sex. For those unaware, David Reimer was a boy who, shortly after birth, suffered an injury to his genitalia due to a botched circumcision procedure, and I think doctors ended up having to remove the whole thing, essentially giving him a "sex-change" operation . An evil doctor encouraged his parents to raise him as a girl to prove his theory that traditionally feminine/masculine behavior was strictly the result of nurture and not nature. Despite having been raised as a girl since infancy, David still exhibited traditionally "boyish" behaviors growing up (wanting to play with toy trucks, etc.), and as a teen chose to identify as his biological sex. The story has a tragic ending (David ended up killing himself as an adult).

I remember reading about the baby named Storm back in 2011. Back then, people were predicting that Storm (who was obviously male, it was apparent even when he was an infant) would later "identify" as a girl, just like his two older brothers currently do (oh yeah, the family's oldest kid is named Jazz. Not kidding). It turns out their predictions were correct.

These families claim they're just allowing their kids the opportunity to "choose who they want to be," but what are the odds that three male children all end up identifying as female? How much do you want to bet that if Storm was born female, she would've "just so happened" to identify as a boy, shave her head and wear nothing but basketball jerseys?

As I said on another thread, these families are no different than traditional conservative families that pressure their boys into playing football while pressuring the girls to take ballet and cooking lessons. Just the other side of the same coin.

by Anonymousreply 16April 12, 2018 6:15 AM

I’m all for avoiding the blue-pink dichotomy, gender reveal parties and all that (if a little girl likes Legos and a little boy likes his Easy-Bake it’s all good), but something doesn’t feel right about this story - parents famewhoring/trying to appear “woke” perhaps?

by Anonymousreply 17April 12, 2018 6:27 AM

Another irony of this movement is that languages such as Hungarian and Turkish have never had gendered pronouns. There are some names in Turkish, and the closely-related Azeri language, which can be used for both men and women, which means that it's possible to have a whole conversation about a third party, and reach the end of it still not sure whether the person you were discussing was male or female. The ironic aspect to all this is that gender stereotypes in Turkey and Hungary are as strong, and as conservative, as anywhere in the world. Changing pronouns does not in any way guarantee that you will change the culture.

by Anonymousreply 18April 12, 2018 6:58 AM

R18 wow, excellent point.

That reminds me: in Chinese, the male/female pronouns sound exactly the same when spoken, although the written characters are different. So in Chinese, the sentences:

"As was customary for her, she went to the store on her lunch break"

and

"As was customary for him, he went to the store on his lunch break"

would sound exactly the same when spoken. Unless the sentences were written down, out of context you wouldn't know if they were describing the actions of a male or female.

Chinese names are also pretty much unisex, with the exception of a few—for example it's not likely that a Mei Hua (meaning "beautiful flower") would belong to a guy.

As you say about Turkey and Hungary, Chinese society is also highly conservative, patriarchal and divided along gender lines.

by Anonymousreply 19April 12, 2018 7:22 AM

FFSake. Get a fucking grip.

by Anonymousreply 20April 12, 2018 7:29 AM

There are plenty of names in English that are gender neutral: Cameron, Ashley, Alex, Adrian, Shawn--but, nope, not going to give Baby X a normal name . . . wouldn't draw nearly enough attention.

Looked up a pix of Storm--he was wearing a dress, but had hair with dyed shock of magenta--just like dad. Kids aren't stupid. They figure out that they're going to grow up to look like a male parent or a female parent and adjust accordingly.

The issue isn't whether a child is a he or a she, but the assumptions that are made about how that kid has to behave as a result. And "nonbinary" types are some of the worst that way.

by Anonymousreply 21April 12, 2018 8:11 AM

Psycho parents. Poor kid.

by Anonymousreply 22April 12, 2018 10:03 AM

I think Zoomer is a girl, and as soon as she is alone with another kid, they will confirm it and let everyone know.

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by Anonymousreply 23April 16, 2018 6:29 AM

Child abuse has always existed

by Anonymousreply 24April 16, 2018 6:32 AM

And in 20+ years when these children are adults they will want to change history books, literature to fit what makes THEM comfortable. Im sorry but I know masculine lesbians who raised to be dressed dainty and frilly....they still knew who they were and when they were old enough to buy their own clothes, they chose masculine looking clothes and cut their hair short. I'm a straight female and I played with dolls and had a race track. My mom cooked, sewed, midwifed, was a RN AND made all the book cabinets we had by hand (carpentry). I don't understand these people at all. They sound bored and phony.

by Anonymousreply 25April 16, 2018 7:07 AM

This is fucking insane.

Boys are boys. Girls are girls. With the exception of a fraction of a percent born without a distinct gender, they are biologically different.

I echo R7's assessment. This is (part of the reason) why Trump won. There is no reason why the Dems can't take control back from Republicans, but pushing crap like this is not the recipe for success.

by Anonymousreply 26April 16, 2018 1:10 PM

When Zyler and Kadyn get pantsed by the bully on their first day of school, they'll be super happy their dick parents did this.

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by Anonymousreply 27July 19, 2018 11:31 PM

This is so fucking stupid. Please tell me it's a parody.

by Anonymousreply 28July 19, 2018 11:38 PM

Narcissists. Narcissist is POTUS. So why not.

by Anonymousreply 29July 19, 2018 11:48 PM

[quote]At first, she wasn’t so sure. “It sounds a little ‘cas,’ ” — as in casual — “like, ‘I was just browsing Facebook and then we made a major life decision off our newsfeed,’ ”

OMG what an insufferable cunt!

Let me guess: these parents are also anti-vaxxers and have two rescue pitfall terriers living in their home.

by Anonymousreply 30July 19, 2018 11:55 PM

[quote]When his child, Sojourner Wildfire

Kill it with Sojourner Wildfire!

by Anonymousreply 31July 19, 2018 11:59 PM

There was a lot of talk about raising kids with gender-neutral expectations in the seventies, teaching both boys and girls to cook dinner and change tires, letting them dress in pink frills or plaid flannel as they preferred, and telling both boys and girls what precautions to take when the hormones began to surge. Okay, maybe there wasn't all that much support for the boys who liked pink ruffles, but the basic idea of treating boy children and girl children the same is perfectly sensible.

And there's nothing intrinsically wrong about using gender-neutral pronouns for your kids, either.

The problem with the parents following this fad is that if they're taking their cues from the Trans Lunatic Fringe, they'll say "Oh look, Robin is being a boy today" every time the kid picks up a Tonka, or "Gee is being a girl" every time they look at a doll. Which reinforces every damn sex-based stereotype in the world, and will probably result in the Trans Lunatic Fringe's contempt for women being passed on to any biological girls raised with this ridiculous world view.

by Anonymousreply 32July 20, 2018 12:05 AM

This is what happens when men are too effeminate to stand up to their wives.

by Anonymousreply 33July 20, 2018 12:06 AM

[quote]When his child, Sojourner

“We’re not going to reveal our child’s gender, we’ll just name xer after one of the most famous female civil and women’s rights activists in American history.”

by Anonymousreply 34July 20, 2018 12:13 AM

Too bad neither of them was infertile.

by Anonymousreply 35July 20, 2018 12:14 AM

Today's anti-trans circle jerk thread.

by Anonymousreply 36July 20, 2018 12:21 AM

I had a relative that went through this a couple of years ago. Had a baby girl but wouldn't allow her to have dolls, dresses or anything "feminine." I didn't see the kid until she was almost 2, but I gave her a pretty Ralph Lauren dress. Her eyes lit up and she immediately wanted to wear it. I heard later that she asked to wear it almost every day.

You can't stop reality even if you want to live in your little fantasy.

by Anonymousreply 37July 20, 2018 12:37 AM

A friend of mine has 1 yr old twins, one of each. She did an experiment where she swapped their clothes for a few days. It was really interesting.

She said she never realised how physically rough people were with her boy before. When he wore pink they were super gentle and their voices were a softer pitch, whereas his sister got rough and tumbled to a degree she wouldn't have normally tolerated for her girl.

People called her pink baby pretty and beautiful and her blue baby big and strong, standard stuff. Encouraging different toys etc. They were also more tolerant of violent or aggressive behaviour on blue dressed baby.

What it made her realise was that, yes, the world is sexist, but that SHE was actually quite sexist in how she treated her kids. Ie: She let her son get away with more than her daughter.

What she didn't to was try to insulate them from the concept of gender. She did change her own behavior though.

I have a feeling the kids who are raised in ' non gender' households will cop on pretty quick when they become aware of other kids and infuriate their hippy parents by becoming walking stereotypes.

by Anonymousreply 38July 20, 2018 12:51 AM

R36 Not everything is about you mentals, so stop trying to make every fucking thing about tranny shit

by Anonymousreply 39July 20, 2018 12:51 AM

R32 I actually know and old woman who says "Emily is being a boy" whenever her 2 yr old granddaughter does anything remotely physical, like kick a ball. When the little girl is naughty she calls her " Emily- Edward "

Its so fucking sexist and old fashioned it blows by mind. If Emily decides she likes football one day she'll probably feel compelled to change her name to Edward and " be a boy."

Why these supposedly progressive people can't see that they're acting like 80 year old grannies is beyond me. I blame Autism.

by Anonymousreply 40July 20, 2018 12:57 AM

Truth, r34. ✊

by Anonymousreply 41July 20, 2018 1:07 AM

Fuck the Ts - this world is going to shit

by Anonymousreply 42July 20, 2018 2:01 AM

These people were sexually abused as children and really haven't dealt with it.

by Anonymousreply 43July 20, 2018 2:14 AM

This child is going to have serious issues into adulthood. Being raised by narcissists isn't easy.

by Anonymousreply 44November 22, 2018 3:09 PM

Child abuse.

Parents need heavy doses of electroshock therapy.

by Anonymousreply 45November 22, 2018 3:29 PM

[quote]Not everything is about you mentals, so stop trying to make every fucking thing about tranny shit.

Oh, the irony.... What else is this thread about but "tranny shit?" This is just installment #1,315 of the anti-trans hatefest. It's beyond tired.

by Anonymousreply 46November 22, 2018 4:22 PM

The parents read about that legally genderless Canadian baby and saw an opportunity to get some desperately wanted attention for themselves.

by Anonymousreply 47November 22, 2018 4:37 PM

I have a relative who tried this a few years ago. She and her husband (both very idealistic) told the grandparents that they couldn't give the little girl dolls, dresses, etc. I knew about the doll ban, but not the one for dresses, so when the girl turned two (it was the first time I saw her), I gave her a pretty Ralph Lauren dress. Her eyes lit up and I heard she asked to wear it every day for the next month or so. The parents finally broke down and allowed her to have dolls after she went to daycare and found out that's what she liked playing with.

They were also into natural food and only ate non-processed, organic, etc. Fast forward a couple of years and now there is a 2nd daughter, who refuses to eat anything but crap like Kraft mac 'n cheese and other food like that. Where she was exposed to that, I don't know, but maybe daycare. The parents have given up and now feed what she'll eat.

They are learning.

by Anonymousreply 48November 23, 2018 12:20 AM
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