Spacey is FUCKED now

Oh no!

Yet, Bryan Singer gets rewarded with another X-Men movie producer paycheck. Kevin gave a lot more to the arts then crazy eyes. They should both go down. David G. must have an iron hold on California law enforcement.

KEV! Youz in trouble now!

Nothing will come of this.

Free Spacey.

No he ain't OP.

I thought he had run out of money to pay his PR team to troll DL but I see they are still here at R4.

Cue the hundreds of rape apologist comments repeating the same robotic scripted lines about PC culture, ‘feminazis’, how evil Anthony Rapp is and how at 12 they loved getting fucked by old men. Yawn. I hope he gets jail time.

Should we start a suicide watch for him yet?

Kevin should fight back with anything and everything he’s got. He has nothing to lose at this point.

Why does he have so many visible pores?

Fuck you op. Give me a break, that was no sex crime and that Rapp guy should get his teeth knocked in...such a fucking liar, he knows there is no case. People like him make real accusers stay hidden.

R10 must be a child molester, what with that angry post.

First off, Kevin was not an old man...secondly we have all been there and most of us knew not to hang out with adults if we did not play adult games. Besides, what happened was a big zero.

Except that Rapp being the first to say anything gave others (the many, many others) the courage to come forward and call Spacey out for his predatory ways.

How do you prosecute something that happened in 1992?

You don't, the statue of limits has run out the door along time ago.

“statue of limits”

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R16 notice that I was rolling my eyes as I posted that. Think about it.

How did Stephen Fry manage to skate out from under all ... this? Didn't these two used to cruise together?

Was he drunk and trying to pick up a man in weho? How awful. How could he?

Latest link:

Nice try, R15/R19.

You’re still an idiot.

Then you are also, R23/R16.

Hardly. Lots of cases have been forwarded to the Los Angeles DA during the #metoo movement. The DA has not gone forward on a single one.

After all of this is over Miss Spacey will retire to some 3rd world country with ulimited access to young meat.

Like Kathleen Turner in Body Heat?

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Criminal case aside, the homophobes are thrilled.

Too late, mon petit.

Brett Ratner’s career is officially over, I’m sure he’s spilling tea on Spacey to stay out of jail.

TMZ is reporting the DA will reject the case in the very near future:

Kevin Spacey is in the crosshairs of the L.A. County District Attorney's Office, but TMZ has learned that won't be the case for long, because the case is going to be a reject.

Law enforcement sources tell TMZ, the case involves an allegation from the '90s and it is outside the statute of limitations.

As TMZ has reported, law enforcement is presenting all cases to the D.A. involving sexual misconduct, even if the cases are clearly not prosecutable.

Spacey is going to end up getting killed in some 3rd world shithole after bringing back a couple of hustlers he found begging on the street for food.

He must have had a lot of fun in the locker room.

Look atbthe homophobes coming out. ^^

[quote] Spacey is going to end up getting killed in some 3rd world shithole after bringing back a couple of hustlers he found begging on the street for food.

THEY... WILL... DEVOUR... HIM!

Kevin, you look absolutely awful at r31--like a basset hound.

Honey, at the very least if I were you I would use all the time off to get a facelift.

Unless he actually raped someone groping won't get you jail time for years. He is however a major douche.

r26 With his money, it doesn't even have to be a 3rd world country. He could retire to France or Italy where they like to shame the #metoo victims.

If he wasn’t famous Spacey would remind me of some middle aged pedo who ends up befriending the kids of the single mother who lives down the street.

Why can’t Singer be given the same treatment? He’s a pedo and everybody knows that. What more evidence do they want?

The amount of condemnation he has received is kind of ridiculous. I could understand if there was some smoking gun, but it's mostly allegations of groping which occurred in very public places (but with no reliable eyewitnesses) while Spacey was either high or intoxicated (convenient so his defense can't be reliable). Moreover, nearly all the incidents took place ages ago, and despite his reputation as a kiddie diddler, all involve men who were of legal age. This is one of the worst character assassinations I've ever seen, and that's coming from someone who felt Spacey was somewhat shady. It's sadder still that at the time Spacey was becoming more comfortable with his sexuality. Considering what other Hollywood stars get away with, it's been hard to stomach the hypocrisy.

R41 I think he'll be back along with the others once people realize #metoo is a farce

Look at the pedo apologists come out in full force.

he wont be charged with nuthin.....

Because the USA are known for convicting their famous people of crimes, sure.

I don't like Kevin Spacey but this is about a 1992 incident. Utterly unprosecutable. Why are they bothering?

Is it about the 1992 incident? I thought it would be about something recent, like on the House of Cards set.

House of Cards should sue him for fucking their show up, but then they would have to admit that they looked the other way for a very long time.

He's an exceptionally talented actor.

The frenzy he was subjected to after Ms Rapp's announcement was maybe the most virulent of any alleged predator. Given that treatment to Trump, where it may do some good.

All that counts in the arts is talent.

Eight complaints over the five years he'd done House of Cards in the middle of the "metoo" self righteous feeding frenzy. Some of those complaints were for trivial stuff like simulating a sex act on a microphone.

There are twenty separate complaints that have been filed with the National Theatre in London by young actors.

I think Old Vic created a hotline for Spacey victims.

Sorry folks but this case is a dud. Next.....

What I see in the hypocrisy is that there are so many others male producers and actors who should be brought down too that people haven't even come out about. Like Singer and Geffen.

I wish the guy Hamm sexually tortured in college would come out with a nice juicy interview or maybe Hamm has already bought him off big time.

Can you imagine all the filth there is about rockers, their young groupie and people like Chevy Chase and Bill Murray and their drug fueled parties?

Cut up these people and put them in the stable troughs.

I always laugh at trolls like r49 or r50 who think they have some kind of authority to decide which assaults matter and which not.

[quote] What I see in the hypocrisy is that there are so many others male producers and actors who should be brought down too that people haven't even come out about. Like Singer and Geffen.

What I see is the stupidity to put anyone in Hollywood (or any other profession) on a pedestal. We give them the power by looking up to them (even look at them for advice and inspiration). That's why predators (and I include priests) have it easy to find their prey amongst those idiots who are impressed or intimidated by these guys.

Good post, [R56].

whats he been up to the last few months

god

imagine the stress the fuk is goin thru

booze, pills, etc....how he getting fresh dik??

"Given that treatment to Trump, where it may do some good. "

What's good for the fat bald goose is good for the closet case gander.

I think my grandmother had this embroidered on a sampler.

What can one be charged with so long after the event?

R38 yeah, but he's gay. England was the correct choice for him, but he blew it.

What R56 said. They might be talented at their profession, but that does not make them any better human beings. In many cases, sadly... they're very flawed. Some acknowledge that and work through it, others use the (fairly undeserved) attention/adoration/blind trust they get and use it for their power trips.

Waiting for Rupert Graves to come forward.

I wonder where he is hiding out now. He should sell his LA house and move out of the country. He also needs to get serious detmabrasion - his skin is horrible.

Thank you, R35—my first thought as well! LOL.

R55 what does this even mean? What gives you authority? You know just as much, or just as little, as they do. Comments like these reek of self righteousness.

why so late??? they must have nothing. what a pity!

What does Rupert Graves have to do with Spacey?

I want to find out more from [R54].

Any deviant thing you can tell me about Mr Hamm will be cherished forever.

Why didn't people ale as big deal over the revelations of david Howie and other rockers being pedophiles? The 15 year old who tucked him said he would fuck many underaged girls and boys and what nothing.

Fucking autocorrect I meant Bowie not howie.

Sad, he will get away with it because of the statute of limitations

The Entertainment Lawyer is claiming that one of the London victims is Taylor Swift's "boyfriend" Joe Alwyn

Be careful when believing anything Enty says. He has good imagination & tends to mix people & topics when they appear in news articles & gossip columns. Note that Enty only has "blinds" about Spacey these days when he comes up in the news. Also there was gossip item about Taylor & her boyfriend Joe the other day. Also why would Taylor discourage her BF from speaking up when SHE spoke up about sexual harassment last year in a court case. This is classic Enty bullshit. His website is meant for all the idiots who believe everything they read on the internet.

Whether it's Joe Alwyn I have no idea, but one of the victims in London was described as an actor in the newspapers. I wonder who it is.

R72 I empathize with victims. But these people shouldn't expect much if they are going to the police 20+ years after the crime occurred.

R70, nope. I read those articles and got disgusted. He doesn't get a pass from me, and I had all his albums. Too bad he's dead and cannot be held accountable.

R68, Spacey sexually harrassed and then stalked Graves when they were in a production of The Iceman Cometh on Broadway. Spacey would follow him home and sit in his car outside Graves’ house. Graves refused to do the play when it got a Broadway transfer.

Oops, I meant Spacey and Graves were in The Iceman Cometh in London.

R72 It depends on the crime. If its Rape then there are no statute of limitations.

The same whores on that thread about the guy who's suing the gym for not following up on complaints of other steam room users masturbating in front of him and mocking him for being "sex negative" are on here clutching the pearls over Spacey.

R78, do you know Graves?

R81 I missed that one. Another this is why they hate us.

Hamm's genital torture of a frat bro using a hammer claw and getting off scot free when he should have been arrested and prosecuted is pretty well known.

CNN has been pushing these anti spacey stories really aggressively. I wonder why.

Rupert Graves was 35 when he did The Iceman Cometh with Spacey. He's only three years younger.

I think Kevin will be fine, there are worse people in show business.

R80 False

I wonder if Kevin and Evan Lowenstein are still "a ting".

R87..... not false. Please read the statutes. In most US states Rape has no statute of limitations. However, sexual assault charges do. Sex assault & Rape are two different crimes.

R82, I know someone else who was in the play. Graves would show up just before half hour call to avoid Spacey showing up and “hugging” him to have a good show, usually in just his underwear. Spacey was obsessed with Graves because of his role as Scudder in Maurice-at the first table read break Spacey was heard to say “I jerked off to you in Maurice a lot more than I care to admit.” That didn’t exactly start rehearsals off on a good foot. Graves eventually lodged a complaint with the theatre they were performing in-the Old Vic. Why the board never even brought this up when Spacey was up for the artistic director job is beyond everyone.

Is Evan in hiding with Kevin?

I think Spacey is particularly reviled because of all those years he vehemently denied he was gay. And after the shit hit the fan, he claimed that, after having relationships with "both men and women", he now CHOOSES to live as a gay man. Yes, you can "choose" to be gay. God, what a creep. But I remember when he was so revered and held up as this supremely talented actor, with praise and Oscars heaped on him. Well, he's getting his just desserts now. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy.

He has gotten men fired from sets because they wouldn’t give in to his advances. At least one happened on HoC and producers knew about it.

R93 Producers denied it. They also said Spacey was disciplined on set which makes the initial claim that he had the authority to fire people even more dubious.

1992?

"They also said Spacey was disciplined on set which makes the initial claim that he had the authority to fire people even more dubious."

They were lying to cover their asses. They knew what was going on.

r90, thanks for dishing the dirt! I remember when the report about the 20 Old Vic accusations came out, it was claimed that one of the accusations was made AT THE TIME, I wonder if it was Rupert who made it.

Btw, has anyone heard anything about the Los Angeles victim from 1992? I wonder if it's an actor or someone in showbiz.

Hamm passed the mad men audition with his legendary meat??

R91... the world doesn’t revolve around the cities that have paparazzi (NYC, LA, etc) so it’s easy not to be seen if you’re not in one of them. Apparently Evan bought a condo in Baltimore Harbor in early 2017.

bummer, he was such a good actor...

R99, House of Cards films in MD, I guess he wanted to be near Kevin

Cyutsty

Wanda Sykes mocked him at the GLAAD Awards

Too bad because he really was so sensational in Lost in Yonkers that I wished he got the movie instead of the unrelentingly pushy desperate to be liked Dreyfuss. His charm was effortless.

[quote] I wonder if Kevin and Evan Lowenstein are still "a ting".

Evan Lowenstein as in the singing duo Evan and Jaron?

r105, yes, he's Kevin's "manager"

What’s he got to “manage” now?

I saw Spacey at the Old Vic in The Iceman Cometh and Rupert Graves was siting in the row behind me with a friend, so he must have left the production before it started or early in the run.

how he getting is daily dose of cum??

R109, that's what rentboys are for

R103 Wanda Sykes isn’t funny & the joke wasn’t either. And she stole the joke from Jay Leno.

Welcome to the thread, Kevin/R108!

R111 is a fantard

WHERE IS DIANE? He declared his love for her while accepting his second Academy Award, which was undeserved by the way. Why isn't she at his side, supporting him with her love and strength?

I was wondering what happened to Diane. I don't remember any "breakup" announcement

Her name isn’t spelled that way. Her name’s Dianne Dreyer and she’s a well established script supervisor.

Ok then, where is DIANNE? Why isn't she supporting the man who stated in front of millions of people that he loved her? She needs to come out. Maybe she needs to come out in more ways than one.

I think she’s with him in some respect, trying to keep him from killing himself. Why does she need to come out and say something?

"What’s he got to “manage” now?"

I'm sure his dick still needs "managing"

Spacey won't kill himself in a million years.

His type just don't.

r120, what do you mean with "his type"?

Guys like him kill themselves just to make others regret being mean to him (and deny the world his greatness). I wouldn't be surprised that guys like Rapp receive a 13 Reasons Why kind of tape from him.

R70 none of those alleged underaged boys and girls have ever come forward, in spite of Bowie being safely dead for over 2 years now. Thats probably why. You have to have numbers if you want people to believe you.

Bowie seemed nice enough and apparently didn't get people hurt, fired, or blacklisted in order to keep them under his thumb.

Kevin oozes sleaze

Even before he got found out as a total sleaze Kevin Spacey always came across as a very unpleasant, unlikable sort. He has always been very off putting. If he never makes another movie again I won't miss him.

R122, didn't groupies admit to having sex with him when they were underage?

R125 Many great actors have or have had unsavory personalities. Spacey had a horrible childhood, which should have already been evident to anyone familiar with his work. It wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't that well liked in his personal life, but he was known not to address those rumors because he wanted to keep his personal life private. Unfortunately, that made him an easy target.

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I'm too stupid to embed a GIF. It was for Suddenly Last Summer.

r130 just paste the gif address into the "web site link" bar under the box where you post x

Thank you, r131!

[quote] There are twenty separate complaints that have been filed with the National Theatre in London by young actors.

I think the Met Police / Scotland Yard in London started investigating some of the complaints. But given that there have been significant (very controversial) staff cuts to the British police force ("thanks, Theresa!"), they are now woefully understaffed, so it probably won't be a priority case.

R133 Or maybe there is just a lack of evidence.

R134, didn’t Rupert keep his equivalent of the blue dress?

R134, some of the complaints probably can't be investigated because of the statute of limitations, in other cases the complaints might have involved verbal harassment and may not have been actual crimes. But tell yourself that Kevin is an innocent angel if that's what you want to believe....

How did this guy escape any of the fallout of Spacey's tumble?

From the Dana Brunetti article:

"An antiques-dealer friend invited Brunetti to a dinner, and Spacey was among the group. Brunetti was then 24, hungry, and ready for anything. Spacey had just been in L.A. Confidential (though Brunetti didn’t recognize him) and would soon be on his way to London for a theatrical production of The Iceman Cometh."

I think we can read between the lines here.......

Picture of Dana with Kevin's handsome "manager"

So what do we think? Is Dana Brunetti a 'survivor' of Spacey's attentions or does he deserve to go down as an un-named enabler/benefactor?

I tend to see Brunetti as a willing ho who let Kevin do him in exchange for access to power

Btw, around the time Kevin was doing Iceman Cometh there were rumors abnput the two of them being an item

I knew straight italian vinnys and johnnys in the 70's in my HS who were inexplicably huge Bowie fans, along with other glam rockers, and who at 15 would happily have served up dick or hole to a rockstar with never a thought of complaining.

It would be a grand thrill and privilege.

R16 I’m looking forward to my next visit to New York so I can go see the Statute of Liberty.

And you may get your junk grabbed by Spacey, as an added bonus, R143!

I’d love to see the Statue of Limits, myself.

LOL!

Kevin Spacey is the salt of the earth. In EUROPE, we adore him and we don't understand all that troubles ...He is full of talent, the most talented actor in America, and let me tell you : he didn't kill anyone, he is not a murder, everybody knew in the cinema industry his "libido", as for the supposed raps : when an actor is very very famous, a major figure, there is always someone (boys or girls) to shout he has been victim of a sexually agression. See Errol FLYNN, Clark GABLE.....Honestly, it's becoming so ridiculous....Kevin SPACEY is a scapegoat, and we don't understand (in Europe) all that "hate" against him.

Bullshit, r147. I’m in “Europe” (something no actual European person says) and it’s well-known what a massive predator and bully he is.

I’m actually surprised so few men have come forward. In London “share your Spacey horror story” is practical required bonding material at the start of a rehearsal, or when meeting other actors.

The stuff that’s been in the press is just the tip of the iceberg. That’s why Spacey’s career collapsed so fast. Because everyone in the industry hates him and has been waiting for this to happen for a long time. Ditto Weinstein. He wasn’t ousted because a lot of desperate actresses said he opened the door in a bathrobe, but because he was so disliked and regarded as a bully by Hollywood in general. People put up with it because his films made money. There are worse predators still being protected, either because they are successful or because they’re charming.

High profile..... Thank you for "bullshit", anyway, what do you call EUROPE ? If it's England, I can understand your reaction because they have never been Européens.....and they are not anymore.

There are other many countries in Europe, you know, ITALY/SPAIN/FRANCE/BELGIUM/HOLLAND/GERMANY/GREECE/POLAND etc etc.........And they think by themselves and not like Britains. Thanks GOD!!

(148) : It's pathetic : the "other actors" dated and slept with Kevin Spacey because they wanted to be famous and would be better than having an "affair" with a star like SPACEY ?

Don't be so candid and above all, don't believe all what people say. No, all people don't hate K.Spacey and even if it would be true, the majority is not always right : Adolph HITLER got the power in January 30 of 1933 ......

He's just aweful, he's a predator, everybody knows it, in fact it's all so terrible we can't give out any specific names, dates or details, because it's all so traumatic, but believe me everybody agrees with me, and believe me it's worse than you think, but it's all too sensitive to mention, if you don't believe me there's a comedy scetch from 2005 and another one from 2012 that hints at what I'm trying to avoid making any specific allegations about.

Levine was banned from a European country. It might have been Italy because the story is Renato Scotto got him out of jail and then had her pick of roles till the point where the audience was in revolt.

I suppose the Met made her a sizeable payoff.

All the contributors to the Met. What suckers. And its going to continue that way while the Met keeps handing out money like Ludwig of Bavaria for settlements.

Oh, puhlease, "Europeans" aren't defending him en masse. Some of the fantards here need to get a clue. R148 is correct that the worst stories about him haven't been made public

Europeans, like French People, are shocked by the way Kevin SPACEY is treated in America....(Fired of HOUSE OF CARDS, Christopher PLUMMER replaced him the movie about P.GUETTY) RIDICULOUS....

So being gay and trying to seduce men is an offense. We, Europeans, were not aware. Sorry.

The #metoo is an emotional movement. It contains real grief mixed with endless sly self-propaganda. The ones participating in the movement do not want to distinguish those components. Hence, it appeals to irrational individuals.

R156 I've kept saying this. In no way is criticizing the movement a defense or endorsement of straight men to act lewd around women. However, it's important to speak out against non specific allegations where the victim can't prove any malicious intent. It reminds me very much of the gay panic defense used by straight men.

I'm sure there a lot of shit stirrers in the Spacey threads, but I've seen many intelligent and reasoned comments from the defenders, who don't necessarily defend his character, but know enough put his actions into perspective.

Spacey groomed a 12 year old kid while he was in his 20s to be his sexual partner at 14. Stop defending him or attempting to put his actions “in perspective”. This was an adult targeting a boy.

[quote] So being gay and trying to seduce men is an offense. We, Europeans, were not aware. Sorry.

Sorry for what, being such a lame troll?

When people don't agree with some dataloungers, they are called "trolls" : your are very democratic and realistic, if I well understand you've got the truth and there is no need to discuss.

R155 - doesn't speak well for Europeans.

r159, the accuser doesn't even identify himself.

If some anonymous broad was accusing a famous straight actor of this they wouldn't print it and the public would have not hesitate to call BS. With a gay actor it's instantly believed and not questioned.

"under review". In other words, "shut up and go away, there's nothing to see here."

There really isn't, hausfraus of both genders. Go clench those pearls elsewhere.

No, French people aren't defending him. Where are all the French filmmakers lining up to work with him? I don't see any.

And shoving your hands down the pants of straight men and boys is not "seduction"

R163, if the straight man had been previously accused of other sex crimes people wouldn't hesitate to believe it. Plenty of sex abuse victims choose to maintain their anonymity, that doesn't mean they are lying. If he came forward using his real name, you fantards would be accusing him of wanting publicity

Oh fuck off, fantard. I’m half French and was raised in France (but working in the UK), and it’s complete nonsense to say French people don’t care or Europeans don’t care. Besides if you mean French, say French. “Europe” is not a hive mind.

And we are not talking about seduction or hitting on, but a pattern of decades of probably thousands of agressive, bullying or harassing acts. Certainly none of the (at least two dozen) actors who have recounted their Spacey horror stories in my hearing ever slept with him. The few actors I’ve come across who almost certainly did sleep with him, have never spoken about it even privately.

It’s very weird and you obviously do not work in the industry, or you’d know how terrible this guy’s rep is and how much he was loathed.

r165 You're telling me that if an anonymous complaint came out tomorrow about Dustin Hoffman or Louis CK people wouldn't hesitate to believe it? Most people don't think they did anything wrong in the first place judging by what I see on social media or reddit.

Joel Kinnaman is European and he testified to Kevin's creepy rep. He said that other young actors he knew had "Kevin Spacey stories" and that he was warned about Kevin

Are the Spacey defenders people who are not certain if they can avoid being held guilty by association - or even thrown under the bus so Spacey can make a comeback? Or do they really think trolling datalounge can shift public opinion?

Also reddit and your facebook page are not really the place where you should go to get an idea about gossip. Try the search function above and note that the hatred for Spacey really hit a peak around 2011 when the general "he is a closet case who lied about a trick that went bad" opinion of him shifted to note he was actually sexually predatory and loathesome as well as cowardly and closeted.

r168. He also said Spacey was "perfectly professional" on the House Of Cards set.

r169, Dataloungers have been gossiping about Spacey long before 2011.

I personally think the only reputable allegation against Spacey was from Anthony Rapp. Nothing else holds up. And the fact that the media went full steam head with the "pedophile label says it all.

It would be so weird if Dana had become business partners with Kevin without doing any favors in return ya know?

[R165] Exactly. There is no scenario in which Spacey's weirdly devoted defenders will ever see the situation for what it is: A predator who was caught and rightfully shunned for it.

Holy shit DL is infested with pedos. Why the fuck do you all defend this creep?! Ugh.

[Quote]There is no scenario in which Spacey's weirdly devoted defenders will ever see the situation for what it is: A predator who was caught and rightfully shunned for it.

THIS.

[quote] Holy shit DL is infested with pedos.

Shit stirring trolls more likely. The ones who want to protect the status where predators can assault others and get away with it.

R147 is probably just some troll who wants to infuriate people. Or a retard. One or the other, for certain.

"Dataloungers have been gossiping about Spacey long before 2011.....I personally think the only reputable allegation against Spacey was from Anthony Rapp."

If you've actually been posting here since 2011 you'd know ALL the allegations about Kevin are believable. And the worst ones haven't been made public

If we applied the same rules to rock stars that we do to Spacey, none, other than maybe Bon Jovi, would be left standing.

Or rappers.

(R162) Very smug : English is not the only "language" in the world. How many languages do you speak ????!!!!!

DO YOU LIVE UNDER A ROCK ? IS HE THE ONLY ONE IN THE "SHOW BUSINESS" TO ACT LIKE THAT ? WHY HIM AND WHY NOW ?

(R165) (R166) : THE FRENCH FILM DIRECTOR JOSEE DAYAN HAS DEFENDED HIM LAST WEEK. DON'T SPEEK FOR FRENCH PEOPLE...THEY WILL NEVER THINK LIKE AMERICAN AND UK AND WE PRAY FOR THAT.

To the outraged people, who hate Kevin SPACEY, and we all know that DL is plenty of "virtuous people" : All that is excessive is insignificant .

Kevin SPACEY has been judged by the social medias and that's delirious. It's not what I call "a democracy". Enough is enough. That's the point.

I like the way you capitalize everyone's surname.

It’s clear that Spacey was/is a predator (and an asshole on a personal level) and not only garnered a lot of hate from the young guys he tried to force himself on, but was also disliked by many within the industry—hence his swift downfall when the MeToo floodgates opened...

What I’m curious about now are his frequent collaborators and professional champions: what about people who willingly (and apparently enthusiastically) worked/allied themselves with him *multiple* times over multiple years? People like David Fincher, Dana Brunetti, and Bryan Singer?

Are they all creeps like him? Is that why they worked with him so much and consistently developed projects with him? (Even after they could have dropped him and gotten away from him).

I know the rumors about Singer (obviously!), but I’m really curious about Brunetti and Fincher—especially with Fincher putting together the big Netflix deal with Spacey for the hit “House of Cards”, producing it with him, and directing multiple episodes...

Did they not care that Spacey was regularly sexually harassing and assaulting co-workers and young dudes about the set? Or were they creeps like him themselves?

Really wonder what the deal is there...

WHERE IS BRYAN SINGER HIDING OUT ? ?

(R185) : Ouf ! Someone intelligent and realistic, who don't offend those who don't agree with the others "upthread"...... Anyway, many are those who knew and they are guilty as him. That's why I'm still thinking K.Spacey is a scapegoat.

[quote]What I’m curious about now are his frequent collaborators and professional champions

Including also Sam Mendes ('American Beauty', 'Richard III' ). Interesting face-off on this thread between 'He's a scapegoat' and 'There's far worse as yet undiscussed.'

Any faint hope of a comeback has to be qualified by the latter surfacing.

r185, before the scandal broke there were insiders posting about the House of Cards set here. They posted gossip about Kevin preying on PAs (which we know turned out to be true) and they also said that Fincher behaved similarly, except with women. Perhaps it was a "You keep my secrets, I'll keep yours" kind of deal.

And as for Brunetti, based on everything I've heard/read I tend to believe that he was one of Spacey's "conquests" but was more than willing to let Spacey use him because it helped his career

This video from Good Morning Britain of Kristin Chenoweth trying to sound coherent about the #METOO movement was noted when it came out as bullying because the host tried to turn her evasions into a "that sounds like a yes" -- but she very very quickly became adamant that there were a lot more men who has suffered through harassment than we were hearing about.

Makes you wonder if she assumed her 'ex' Brunetti would be caught up soon in the spiraling mess around Spacey or she thought something was really going to come out of that story everyone believed the NYTimes was doing to take down New York theater...

It is sublimely awkward.

i respect Rapp for coming forward. I also respect people who want to remain anonymous but go to the authorities and press charges. I don't respect people like guy in R150 's link who wants to tell his story but stay hidden so his life is disrupted.

r191, in this case, the statute of limitations has passed, so the guy CAN'T go to the police. Like I said, when people come forward using their names, they get accused of "wanting publicity" (like the Cosby victims) and when they remain anonymous they are accused of hiding/being evasive. Seems like victims can't win.....

R 151 where are these comedy sketches to give us an idea of what you mean. if we carnt guess already. Spacey will highly likely be proected by higher ups. Wouldn't surprise me if he was into much darker stuff. Rumors doing the mill Spacey won't return and all of a sudden Dana is going into real estate..... Brucetti was a supposed expert in internet so who knows what's gone on.

Spacey's career is ruined what sort of protection does he need now? I am sure the higher ups protect themselves and guys like Bryan Singer. Look at Dan Schneider who conveniently retired when #metoo started and Nickelodeon got sold off.

R185 excellent point; I got groped by a pervert in hollywood once and the scariest part was watching people in power enabling him

Almost lost my job but he did in the end; as did one key enabler

Predators create a whole entourage or network around them to protect themselves. Enablers, servants, associates, other predators, people / business partners who depend on the goodwill of the predator, etc. "Too big to fail"

What surely added to Spacey's sense of untouchability was his social and professional success in London. Back in the day he had strong links to the Labour party of Blair and Mandelson - going to at least one Labour party conference, and appearing on a chat show with Blair. His work in raising the profile of the Old Vic, fundraising, and appearing in notable productions, created this status.

He was invited to receptions at Buckingham Palace, and awarded an honorary CBE, then Knighthood, for his contributions to theatre. There's naturally scrutiny for at least the latter significant award, which he seems to have passed. Despite 'dog walking' at night in the park.

So, double Oscar in the US, high honours in the UK. These among other successes had to ensure total confidence in his other interests. Confidence or arrogance, then Nemesis.

[quote]There's naturally scrutiny for at least the latter significant award, which he seems to have passed. Despite 'dog walking' at night in the park.

John Gielgud was made a Sir and his cruising was well known by everyone. I don't think that would have been considered relevant to the twats at Buckingham Palace, to be fair.

I predict Spacey, like Chaplin before him, will later be regarded as a bit of a victim caught up in the shitstorm hysteria that was MeToo/TimesUp. Even more than Franco, who was basically the target of an ex-girlfriend scorned.

I still am not hearing any concrete crimes, even after all this time, just vague whispering about what an asshole he was. It's a slippery slope from someone being accused of being a predator and a man just trying to pick up other men (who may or may not have been flirting up a storm for all we know).

R199, he’s not a victim. I definitely think he’s a world class sexual harasser. But the pedo rapist label assumed by social media is way off. And I read that Vulture article a couple of times & it’s Grade A bullshit.

R 199 I think you are wrong. Spacey has been accused of predatory behavior with adults as well as underaged victims. The economic damage done by his sexual harassment of adult subordinates is all he will be punished for. He is worse than what he is being punished for -- that is NOT what a scapegoat is. A scapegoat is an innocent who is punished to absolve the guilty of blame. What is happening to Spacey is a lot more like getting Al Capone for tax evasion.

Is Spacey himself on this threads now? His victims were probably “flirting up a storm” with him?🙄

Kevin Spacey is no victim any way you slice it. There have been stories around of him abusing his power and sexually harassing (or worse) guys around him forever. It’s only come out super publicly now because of the MeToo stuff and Anthony Rapp telling his story....

There were other stories I heard too (and that I believe were in that long ago Kevin Spacey sex harassment article by Gawker “Tell Us Your Kevin Spacey Stories”—or whatever it was called). Those contained claims that he put drugs in unwitting guy’s drinks and assaulted them while they were unconscious. There were several stories/rumors like that and it sounded like a pattern for Spacey.

I hope those guys come forward with their stories, but even in that article they noted that a lot of those men were apparently straight and embarrassed or scared to come forward and say they were raped because of social stigma, etc.

Poor straight men...

He's a huge star and producer. They are almost all aspiring actors. "Flirting up a storm" or even a little is not off the table.

This isn't Kansas, folks. Kansas probably isn't Kansas anymore.

I seriously do not believe that Rupert Graves was “flirting up a storm” with Spacey while Spacey sexually harassed and stalked him during “The Iceman Cometh” and he was forced to give up his role in the production (hurting his career) just to get away from the harassment...

I also don’t think it’s “poor straight guys” or anything like that here.

Someone asked why more victims of Spacey weren’t coming forward in droves and I think that for a lot of men (gay or straight) coming forward with tales of how Spacey drugged your drink and raped you is not something a lot of men (gay or straight) want to share with everyone in their life and career circles and put their lives on hold to pursue in the public eye.

I think it’s scary and intimidating for a lot of men to do this—which is partially why Spacey got away with so much for so long...

Here we go. Rupert left Iceman because he had another commitment to another play.

We have understood : Kevin SPACEY is so evil....and the others (actors, directors, all the staff etc.....) are "angels". I wouldn't be surprised if I read that he is a serial killer. Make an effort and we'll arrive.

Trolling trolling trolling trolling

Spacey will never be considered a "victim." He's finally been exposed as the nasty sleaze he's always been. Of course he's not the only one. But he IS one, and I think because he's such an unlikable bastard he's really getting his comeuppance good. I think a lot of people are glad to see him reap what he's sown. '

But It does not do to kick a man when he is down and Kevin SPACEY is in that situation.... I didn't think gay people could be so hateful against a gay man, but I'm very candid.

I took a long time to believe the worst stuff about Bill Cosby. I thought it was a smear campaign and a shakedown, then finally I had to see he was a psycho asshole. I knew Harvey Weinstein was a dickhead & a fugly player, did not realize he was a violent attack predator.

I know Spacey was sexually aggressive with boys way under age of consent. But was he on the level of Cosby & Weinstein??

"John Gielgud was made a Sir and his cruising was well known by everyone."

He was knighted BEFORE the cruising bust

"I predict Spacey, like Chaplin before him, will later be regarded as a bit of a victim caught up in the shitstorm hysteria that was MeToo/TimesUp. Even more than Franco, who was basically the target of an ex-girlfriend scorned."

Chaplin wasn't a victim of anything but his own Lolita fetish. No one sees Spacey as a victim except for wingnuts like you. And Franco was accused by more than one woman. Like Spacey, rumors about him being a creep had been around for years.

The thing about Spacey is it's been six months, a massive public "outing" and multiple open lines. His head was handed on a platter to law enforcement by the Me Too gang. I assume whatever he has done is out in the open by now, whoever was going to come forward has come forward.

R214 I think you're right. I've also heard things about him paying off a number of guys with significant hush money or expensive items (like his watch). I imagine there's alot of people who have never said anything because of the money.

R207, that’s NOT what happened. Rupert Graves refused to go to Broadway as part of The Iceman Cometh company because Spacey harrassed and stalked him.

"His head was handed on a platter to law enforcement by the Me Too gang"

Yawn, gotta love the "Kevin is a victim!!!!" fantards. Rich people have a huge advantage in the legal system.

You cunts give yourselves away with words like "fantards" and "wingnuts". Incapable of critical thinking and discussion.

r218, defending a serial sexual predator whose sliminess has been discussed on this site for years is not critical thinking or discussion. Attacking sexual assault victims is not critical thinking, just kneejerk reactionary thinking. Pretending a rich celebrity who got away with sex crimes for years is not critical thinking or discussion.

"Eeeek! A gay man is hitting on me!"

What decade is it again?

Charlie Chaplin was truly an idiot, boinking underage teenage girls the way he did. You would have thought he would have learned his lesson with his first teenage wife Mildred Harris; their marriage was a short lived disaster (he married her because she was pregnant) and produced a deformed baby which died soon after birth. But he evidently didn't learn anything from his mistakes because he then started banging Lilliate MacMurray, or "Lita Grey", as she was eventually named. Pudgy faced and ordinary, he nonetheless developed a bizarre infatuation with her; their relationship was supposedly the inspiration for Nabokov's "Lolita." He tried to make her a star by having her play the female lead in "The Gold Rush" but it didn't work out for two reasons: she had no talent and she became pregnant with his child. They eventually had two children. He came to loathe her and her greedy family and finally had to pay an astronomical amount of money in a divorce settlement to finally get rid of her. Chaplin went on to get involved with Paulette Goddard (she at least was of legal age) and they supposedly were married, but some doubt that they were. Chaplin finally found happiness with, of course, a teenage girl. She was Oona O'Neill, daughter of Eugene O'Neill, and she was 18 when he married her. He was 54. Chaplin's first teenage wives outgrew him; for a time they looked up to him and worshiped him but the feeling wore off. In Oona O'Neill never stopped worshiping and adoring Chaplin. She was his caregiver, his only caregiver, in his final years and it was an ordeal. After he died, it seemed like she felt life was no longer worth living. When she died people said it was a mercy; she had descended into alcoholism and without Chaplin nothing really mattered to her. She was that much in love and in thrall to him.

r199 r221 Spacey doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Chaplin. Chaplin was a genuine genius, had his own studio, his legacy goes on... what's going to be Spaceys legacy ? will he even be remembered in 50 years. Chaplin is one of London's most beloved sons, blue plaque outside his own childhood house ect, Spaceys fans, troll or employee's can back right off trying to compare Chaplin 1950s mc carthyisim with Spacey being exposed. who did Chaplin attack? who did Chaplin drug ? Spacey will end up in London being compared to Jack the ripper not Chaplin.

Agree, [R222].

[quote] What decade is it again?

A decade where sexual assault, like the one Kevin Spacey did, is no longer accepted and tolerated.

I am extremely pissed that the love of Spacey’s life, Dianne, is letting him go through this right now and is not speaking out publicly to defend her man.

How the fuck can you do this, Dianne?!?

This is what real love looks like, people!💔

Here's Dianne official response to Kevin Spacey's current fall from grace:

Wow, I get the feeling from all of their pics together that this was a very *dark* friendship.

Honestly wonder what shit these two (Bryan Singer + Spacey) got into together....

Pictures say so much...

So much...

I wonder if anything bad will come out about Spacey’s good friend and collaborator of 20+ years, David Fincher....

OMG, remember when Kevin “discovered” Ryan Gosling for that indie film about a teen killer that Spacy was producing?

Forgot what the movie was called, but Ryan’s performance was praised (and he was largely unknown at the time)...

Poor Ryan; I doubt he got away from that experience (and got that part) with nothing done to him by Spacey (and maybe he even consented, but still)

Ryan looks a bit sad here...

Pose to unnecessarily touch several people...

Lol, [R227]😂

Spacey’s two-time collaborator and friend, Sam Mendes, wearing a Time’s Up pin. Did he know?

"Eeeek, a gay man touched me with his clothed arm!"

Some of you are pathetic. How do you leave the house every day?

R231, I haven't heard any new allegations against Fincher, but there is a post online that was written in 2014 (around the time of the last Bryan Singer allegations) that has circulated for the last few years. It says that Fincher was part of a group (along with Singer, Spacey, and Gary Goddard) that drugged and had sex with underage boys. One of the supposed victims was named Nick Ropolis, who ended up in rehab (but appears to be fine today per Twitter and hasn't said anything -- likely paid off to shut up). I have to say that, even though he's one of my favorite directors, I'm not surprised. A) His love life (and life in general) has always been secretive, with very little information about his "wife" (not even sure he's really married). B) He's very close to Kevin Spacey, who was a producer on The Social Network and who he worked with to bring House of Cards to Netflix. There's just something off about the guy, and if he is guilty of anything, I hope he gets found out, much like the other three men in that alleged group.

Tick tock on Joel Schumacher, Gus Van Sant, etc....

No people arent pathetic R237 and many us leave the house daily for our jobs and life. So there kevin ! Keep your greasy hands to yourself .

Others of us learn grammar along the way.

[quote]A) His love life (and life in general) has always been secretive, with very little information about his "wife" (not even sure he's really married).

Fincher’s first marriage was to Donya Fiorentino; they have a daughter whom Fincher got custody of after they split. Donya was Gary Oldman’s third wife, the one he allegedly abused. Fincher’s married to a producer now but there was a lot of weirdness between him and Rooney Mara when they were doing Dragon Tattoo. Never heard anything gay about him, more likely a guy who gets off on power trips if interviews with actors is anything to go by.

[quote]Why didn't people ale as big deal over the revelations of david Howie and other rockers being pedophiles? The 15 year old who tucked him said he would fuck many underaged girls and boys and what nothing.

What does that say of Jim Henson when they worked so closely together on [italic]Labyrinth[/italic]?

'What does that say of Jim Henson when they worked so closely together on Labyrinth'

Probably just that he ignores unfounded gossip which was spread by one unreliable groupie who changed her story whenever she felt like it, not to mention she never actually reported it. And that poster just added in the bit about other underage kids, Lori Maddox never mentioned it. Nothing else has come up about Bowie, that is why people generally ignore it. There is no pattern of behaviour like there is with Spacey .

Spacey: he is STILL fucked

Charlie Chaplin may have been a comic genius, but he was still an idiot. After knocking up Lita Grey he whined to a friend about how awful it was to have to marry another one of his teenage lovers because she was pregnant and the friend replied in exasperation "don't you know what causes it?" I heard Chaplin hated using any type of contraceptive; simply wearing a condom could have prevented his disastrous marriage to Lita Grey. Chaplin also for some bizarre reason thought iodine could prevent venereal disease. Louise Brooks had a short two month affair with him (she was 18; he was married to Lita Grey and 36); she and Chaplin and a financier and his bi-sexual girlfriend holed up in a hotel suite together. lolling around naked and indulging in group sex. Chaplin painted his horse dick with the stuff and chased the squealing sluts around the room with a bright red boner. What fun! At any rate, Chaplin was an idiot, at least when it came to sex.

R225, you are a mean person, also lol. Oh, Dianne, how could you?

He has the support of Bernado Bertolucci and audience of the Bari International Film Festival.

[quote]During the world premiere of his restored film Last Tango in Paris Saturday night at the Bari International Film Festival, Bertolucci had harsh words for Scott.

Bertolucci said that when he learned that Scott had agreed to erase all of Spacey's scenes in the film, his first reaction was to message Scott's frequent editor Pietro Scalia, "to tell Scott that he should be ashamed,” said Bertolucci, who thought Scott was succumbing to pressure.

“And then I immediately wanted to make a film with Spacey,” continued the director, to much applause from the audience.

It was all totally Dianne’s fault

Bertolucci’s a wack job.

Maybe he’ll do a remake of his wretched film La Luna, with Spacey in the Jill Clayburgh role of the opera singer who shoots up her 14 year old son with heroin before having sex with him.

R250 Former child actor Matthew Barry, who was the young actor in La Luna, praised Bertolluci as a visionary and genius during the renewed scandal dealing with the scene with Brando Maria Schneider in Last Tango in Paris. Schneider or Brando are not alive to speak for themselves, neither is Jilly Clayburgh in that case, but everyone who has worked with him has nothing bud good things to say. Many people make the mistake of viewing his work with an American sensibility.

Meant to quote the preceding post R249

"Former child actor Matthew Barry, who was the young actor in La Luna, praised Bertolluci as a visionary and genius during the renewed scandal dealing with the scene with Brando Maria Schneider in Last Tango in Paris"

So we should obviously listen to everything he says! Ugh, go away Spacey fantards.

If Bertolucci is a whack job, then give me a million more like him.

Bertolucci will redo 1900 with Spacey playing the role of the prostitute who gives handjobs to two younger, attractive guys.

Jill Clayburgh said La Luna was a mess from the beginning and knew early on she had made a mistake taking the film and turning down Norma Rae.

Liv Ullman was scheduled to play the role and bailed a few months before filming was to start.

It’s a terrible film in every respect. In an earlier scene Barry’s character whores himself off to an old Italian guy in exchange for smack.

I'd still do Spacey. He's quite power-hungry and lecherous, but that's how I like 'em. He's been running around in circles, chasing & hitting on disinterested candidates - all the while, there were plenty of others who'd be happy to fuck him. Ah, the irony of life.

“Plenty of others”?

That’s highly doubtful. Maybe some struggling to pay the rent but that’s it. Spacey has always had zero sex appeal.

I don't know, I found him attractive in an offbeat way when he was young. He looks like shit now, though.

[quote]"Eeeek! A gay man is hitting on me!" What decade is it again?

I don't know, is it the decade where a male boss gets to slap his secretary's ass and call her honey tits?

I am not sure just how addled the senses are of some of you queens on this thread, but the delusion is rampant. What part of SEXUAL HARASSMENT do they not understand? It's 2018, and yes, you don't get to coerce someone into having sex with you by threatening their job, for fuck's sake. There are fucking laws against that. How is that action equated to an innocent pass? It's not even in the same fucking league.

And yes, I believe that SPACEY wasn't just preying on straight boys, and that it went farther than merely harassment. I don't call that being an hysteric. I call that paying attention. As has been repeated many times on this thread - these stories about La Spacey have been around for years. The sudden defense party that's sprung up all over DL is disingenuous at best. Does it feel like a witch hunt going on these days? Absolutely. Will some people get targeted that don't deserve the derision? Most likely. But Spacey is not the guy to go to the mat for. It's naive to think that the horrific abuse his brother went through at the hands of their father was not also carried out on KS. That kind of fucked up childhood is in alignment with the kind of behavior we are hearing about now.

"It's naive to think that the horrific abuse his brother went through at the hands of their father was not also carried out on KS. That kind of fucked up childhood is in alignment with the kind of behavior we are hearing about now."

I agree with you about Spacey and about sexual harassment in general but it's not true that most abusers were abused themselves. It's also not a given that Spacey's brother is the world's most believable person.

Just watched him in Rebel in the Rye - he looked horrible. All the posts about Chaplin were ironic - he plays a part in the film. Salinger's first love was Oona O'Neill who left him to marry Chaplin.

I shudder to think of what he looks like these days without his hairpiece.

^ Probably like what he is - a sad old man

He's actually been spotted recently dressed like a mexican!, wearing padded waistcoat, slacks and a mexican moustache walking through LA airport with a woman. No joke honestly. Someone recognised him, took photo and put it on twitter. I saw it and it defo was him. He looked like he had full on professional facemask thingy...like when he was paul ghetty for 5 mins...

Has he chosen to live as a heterosexual again?

Total DILF. Bet he talks hella dirty while pounding away at your abused hole. Never in bed either. Always on the filthy floor because that's all a whore like you deserves. HOT! HOT! HOT!

R267. Calm yourself Kev, dont give yourself a heart attack!

r265, can you post a link?

265, def need a link to said tweet if this isn't a joke

^ my bad

r265, def need a link to said tweet if this isn't a joke.

Spacey still rules as one of the greatest actors of all time. Nothing will take that away from him, no matter how hard you cunts try.

(and, indeed, he'll be back).

r273 You won't be back, Kevin. Move on and have fun in whatever cave you call home now.

Oh, just wait, bitch. If Mel can do it, ANYONE can do it.

Mel was never caught having a sexual relationship with an adolescent.

At least not in this country.

Good and thoughtful post, [R260]!

I also agree about the likely abuse of Kevin as a child by Spacey’s father.

The older brother came out with the story of the father’s sexual and emotional abuse against him (the brother), the tormented family/home environment, and the father’s being a Nazi obsessive *years* before anything “#MeToo” related—and I recall at the time it came out that Spacey didn’t deny his brother’s claims about their father and even released a statement via publicist saying he had “empathy” for what his brother went through (or something to that effect).

I personally believe the father not only raped the brother but also raped Kevin.

At the very *least*—according to what the brother knew—the dad emotionally tormented and abused the hell out of both of them and made the household a war zone.

And let’s not forget that story Spacey himself told repeatedly about almost setting the family home on fire when he *purposely* set his tree house ablaze in the backyard as a 12 year old and the flames went beyond burning down the tree house. I believe he described himself as ‘a very angry kid’ or something like that...

This was a deeply unhappy child in an extremely dysfunctional family.

He was raised by a monster and I think that that contributed to him becoming one himself.

Not an excuse (at all, ever) but I think it helps explain the horrific choices he made and the person he became.

(R265) = Is he straight or gay ? because it's very difficult to follow him, I don't understand anything....

Randall FOWLER, his brother, says that he was rapped while he was young. But he denies that Kevin was rapped by his father and said " Kevin was coddled, he was a mama's boy, his childhood was uneventful and my father was indifferent to him(...)". He also adds Kevin is a liar. Where is the truth ?

[quote]says that he was rapped while he was young

R279 the moron should be rapped on the knuckles for his shit spelling. r a p e d

R2 you people are obsessed with Bryan Singer. I say scumbag H. Weinstein should go down first.

I love you R280

(R280) : Thanks and I'm sorry for my stupid mistake.

Anyway, all what happened to Randall FOWLER, Kevin said it had happened to him : the RAPE, for exemple.

There’s only been one Rapp in Spacey’s life lol sorry couldn’t resist

Apparently, according to Randall’s ex wife, Randall is an abuser & liar also. So take anything big brother says with a grain of salt. But I do agree that Kevin grew up an angry kid. He talked about moving 10 times in 10 years & constantly losing friends because his father was constantly unemployed. It maybe the reason why Kevin was such a workhorse as an entertainer.

So the Spacey defense force isn't even English speaking?

(I don't think a Russian troll-bot would make these stupid mistakes. So I doubt La Spacey has hired out 'social media wonks' to defend his honor.)

What is this even about?

No charges yet? Figured.

R286 Is there anything you won't blame on Russian bots?

CAA might be pissing themselves right about now. They cooked up "timesup" and targeted their own client with a massive media king hit and managed not to land a single criminal charge.

(R286) : From your mother

R287, what makes the Spacey accusations different from Weinstein is that there seems to be no paper trail of settlements & NDAs that would nail him. Also, I still haven't heard anyone say that Spacey ruined their career; in fact all the stories of professional interactions with him I've read seem to be the exact opposite. And It seems as if Spacey's misdeeds were on a personal level & spontaneous. Spacey just wanted to get laid; Weinstein wanted to rape you AND your career.

R265, please provide a link or the picture itself because that story makes ZERO sense. I just looked at Twitter and I see nothing of the sort. Also Spacey is a known to frequent private planes so why would he be seen going through LAX?

R291 Why would Spacey bother when he was either too drunk to remember the alleged incidents or didn't think his behavior rose to a criminal offense? One could be a pervert, or act in a disreputable way, and not be a criminal.

R291 Nails it!

Kevin SPACEY is not a criminal, he is just living in bigot and hypocrite country. American people are making a big deal out of nothing!!!

Leave him alone and by that standard you will find the genius Roman POLANSKI.

R291

Try the search function and note that you are literally posting TO people who have been accusing him of creeper behavior for years and years. The issue here was people wondering WHY he was pretending to be straight and still be in the closet as well as a vague unease over his lack of willing tricks who wanted to gloat over encounters with him. He was talented and famous enough to interest people as well as known to troll strangers for sex -- so why all the silence? By 2011 everyone here knew it was because he was a creepy asshole and not a hot daddy because the underage people he had groped literally came forward first.

In 2010 he was still a disappointment: a very talented and powerful gay man who should have come out and lived his life openly. By 2011 it became clear that the reason he wasn't coming out as a gay man wasn't self-loathing homophobia and cowardice -- but because he was actually a skeevy predator who got off on the unwillingness of his victims and the power plays he got to use to force sex on others.

Is that wrong? Um. Yeah.

How bad at sex do you have to be to only have stories of horror and disgust associated with you?

Colin Farrell reveals how he got his role in Ordinary Decent Criminal starring Kevin back in 2000.

If K.SPACEY was so evil, why did they let him work (not only in Hollywood) ?!!!!

R296 Spacey being into much younger men is not a rare phenomenon in the gay world. Who says he didn't hook up with people closer to his age? You presume to know a lot about his personal life based on second or third hand accounts or innuendos. It's just as likely he chose to stay in the closet because he wanted to focus more on his career at a time when very few mainstream actors were out publicly, especially those who had attained his level of success. He seemed to be fine with others assuming he was gay, especially recently, playing gay or bisexual characters in Gore and House of Cards.

Lastly, being in a committed relationship is not for everyone. It sounds like he had deep issues surrounding his childhood which, along with any number of reasons, could have influenced his decision not to live a life according to your expectations.

The anti-Spacey stories are obvious made-up bullshit courtesy of homophobes.

Many of the metoo stories that came out against Spacey insinuated gay panic. I couldn't believe it when people started taking some of these stories seriously like the kid who had his leg touched and the army veteran who experienced PTSD.

R299

My issue is with the lack of innuendo that he was ever anything but predatory is that there were NO good stories about him at all. No one gloated about him as a hot trick. Is it criminal to only have a bad reputation as someone who is at best a regrettable survival experience? Yeah. You've got to be pretty bad at sex for that.

(R299) There are many actors who stay in the closet, in hollywood,and they are not (and will never be) famous like K.SPACEY.

[quote] Spacey just wanted to get laid; Weinstein wanted to rape you AND your career.

Spacey did that to staff members of House of Cards. Either they have sex with him or get fired. Same thing at Old Vic in Lodon. Have sex with him or don't get any of the good roles.

Where is the problem ? in America, there are associations to become straight!!!!

R304 The difference between Spacey and Weinstein is that Spacey could only have you fired from House of Cards. Weinstein produced so many movies that he could block you from seemingly every second movie.

I am baffled by the energy you are putting into defending KSpacey on datalounge.

The search function is there. He has been a sad embarrassment at best for over 7 years here. There was some surprise that the METOO movement snagged Spacey rather than taking down a bigger fish but there you go.

My personal take on his story is that a lot of talented people survived interacting with him and really they probably don't need to go down with his ship. They don't need to exonerate HIM or pretend that his habit of predatory harassment was acceptable to survive having worked with him. HE was the bad guy in his little circle -- everyone else including his enablers and his boy-toys who knew how to play him for power and money deserve to be considered his victims or survivors (until proven otherwise.)

"RAPPED" should become a new term -- for when one is sexually assaulted and yet absolutely no sex happened. And then it's time to call the press.

R307 The reason they don't come forward is that they wouldn't be believed in this climate. The producers of HOC did come to his defense the week after the allegations became public. Ultimately, it was a Netflix decision to fire Spacey.

r306, so that's your reasoning? That being fired from a set, because you don't put out for a star, is ok?

R310 I can't speak for R306 but it's a moot point anyway since no one can prove that actually happened.

(R308) : I "adore" you. You have the sense of humour and I like it. You make me a nice tribute (R283)....

Look, if you misbehave at work,accuser starts a civil suit and the court decides but all this ridiculous bullshit, "he put his hand on my knee!" or "he touched my butt!" Grow the fuck up.

(R307) Because I can't believe what I read about him. He is so sexy, talented and charismatic. Yes, I am stunned, why someone like him needs to act like a "beast"? I don't understand (if it's true) his state of mind because it's hard to believe when you admire so much someone.

Another thing people fail to mention is that if the rumors of Spacey firing people on HOC were true, that would make everyone else complicit. Any legitimate case of wrongful termination would be tied up in court and the show would have had to suspend production. The fact that no one else on the HOC was implicated in this is very suspect as Spacey himself was just a producer.

(R286) "so the Spacey defence force isn't even english speaking" ?

Do you think that you make Americans proud by a statement like this ? As we can see you are a high profile........

[quote]so that's your reasoning? That being fired from a set, because you don't put out for a star, is ok?

No, whore. I'm not defending him. Just pointing out the massive difference between saying no to Spacey and saying no to Weinstein. Why can't you understand that? Are you honestly that stupid or are you just being purposely obtuse in order to spam the thread into closure as you've done multiple times already?

R315

I think fear of being considered complicit is what is driving this bizarro bullshit drive to defend Spacey here on datalounge.

This is a gay gossip site - not a court of law. Spacey has been judged as a gay man according to how unfuckable he manages to be even with all that talent and money and power. Rapp is pretty out and open as a gay man -- and back when people were wondering why no one would come forward with any good dirt on Spacey being some sort of hot-daddy/mean fuck/desperate bottom/queeny lech or whatever, Rapp did come forward with HIS story about being 'cruised' - and yeah it painted a pretty dire picture of 'our-man KSpacey.' We KNEW he was cruising for sex because he got bashed in London -- we EXPECTED stories that were filled with reactionary homophobia (because getting gay bashed usually isn't deserved) but that never happened.

I suggest that until there is reason to really believe Spacey's henchmen were genuinely complicit in damaging Spacey's victims, they be considered survivors or victims themselves. If we assume that and don't indulge in rabid victim bashing, then spiders like Spacey (who often 'get something on' their victim to make them feel like they are at fault) will lose their support and much of their power.

[quote] No, whore. I'm not defending him.

But Blanche you are, you are defending him.

[quote] Just pointing out the massive difference between saying no to Spacey and saying no to Weinstein. Why can't you understand that?

What I understand is that you desperately try to divert the discussion away from the actual criminal act of sexual assault to some silly notion that actors are less powerful than producers and that it makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE when it comes to their criminal acts. Sexual assault is sexual assault.

[quote] I suggest that until there is reason to really believe Spacey's henchmen were genuinely complicit in damaging Spacey's victims, they be considered survivors or victims themselves. If we assume that and don't indulge in rabid victim bashing, then spiders like Spacey (who often 'get something on' their victim to make them feel like they are at fault) will lose their support and much of their power.

Either they were all responsible or none of them were. Spacey himself was subject to disciplinary action due to unprofessional conduct yet those same people who held him accountable are the same ones trying to protect him? Sorry, but none of it makes sense.

A lot of you have no idea just how cagey the aspiring actor mentality can be; they want as much as they can get without giving anything back (and, now, raising hell if such a deal is even mentioned). True prostitutes are more honorable. At least it's an understood exchange of goods.

You want them all to be "victims" but we have no idea how they were acting at the receiving end of attention from a major movie star doing what they want to do -- and if things were moving in a sexual direction in general. This is not all on Spacey or anyone else. These are the grown adults I am talking about. There could be many reasons to get an extra kicked off a set, including the coming on to the star (I know one who was kicked off a Rodriquez set because Rodriquez recognized him as a dealer, probably to him himself). In general, we are not getting the whole picture, probably why nothing resembling charges have been filed against him.

The only thing that was nailed are adolescent asses by creepy Mr. Spacey.

[quote]Sexual assault is sexual assault.

Wake me up when there's a report of an actual sexual assault as opposed to just "he hit on me and I rejected him and walked away."

r324, you mean apart from Anthony Rapp's account which started the whole thing when he was underage?

Yep, R324 is dead on. It's all a weird form of Celebrity Gay Panic, quite frankly -- with maybe a cash reward at the end of it or hopes for one. Sickening.

Anthony was RAPPED! Meaning nothing sexual remotely happened. Even by his own account.

As someone who thinks Spacey is a terrible, hammy actor, does he have any redeeming qualities? Is he kind to animals? Did he pay a stranger's tuition? Can he paint? There has to be something about him that isn't revolting.

R235 The story Anthony Rapp has dined out on for years (funnily enough, he always bragged about it when younger and certainly never acted as if it was a trauma) fails to include any sexual act. Just a drunken attempted kiss.

Of course why a 14 year old would choose to slip into a grown man's bed late at night waiting for the grown man's guests to leave is up for debate though, to any sane person, it's the act of a gay Lolita whose entire story (which Spacey was too drunk to remember) is a revenge act for having been rejected.

r329, seek help for your trolling.

R330 is the homophobic pedo-obsessed frau cunt from Lipstick Alley.

[quote] This is a gay gossip site - not a court of law. Spacey has been judged as a gay man according to how unfuckable he manages to be even with all that talent and money and power. Rapp is pretty out and open as a gay man -- and back when people were wondering why no one would come forward with any good dirt on Spacey being some sort of hot-daddy/mean fuck/desperate bottom/queeny lech or whatever, Rapp did come forward with HIS story about being 'cruised' - and yeah it painted a pretty dire picture of 'our-man KSpacey.' We KNEW he was cruising for sex because he got bashed in London -- we EXPECTED stories that were filled with reactionary homophobia (because getting gay bashed usually isn't deserved) but that never happened.

No one has come forward about Morrissey too or Rupert Everett as far as I know. Should we assume that's something ominous?

r332, you should. Others, like me, rely on the good ol' "when there's smoke there is fire".

R321

I kind of think the ones who defend him NOW should be viewed as complicit but letting the witch hunt stop there might give more people the opportunity to get a grip on how wrong things were and move on.

People like Spacey get where they are by knowing how to shift blame. Watching those around him now as they continue to shift blame should be a fair assessment of how much they are committed to supporting his abuse. If they continue to blame victims for the whole thing, they are complicit. But if they blame Spacey, then they are probably right.

God, if only... I would've so been there, especially for my hero Morrissey. And Rupert was really something in his time too.

Seriously, R333 really does sum up the Celebrity Gay Panic thing. They all must be perverts! We can just tell! Pathetic.

Why do we want him to be fucked?

[quote]you should. Others, like me, rely on the good ol' "when there's smoke there is fire".

Aww. What happened, R33? Hubby dump you for a man? Is that why you always think the worst of gay men and assume they're all predators?

I've had r330 blocked for ages. I can't figure out if they are Russian trolls pretending to be mentally ill, gullible, jesus freak, right wing black women or if they're really these total morons who think the world is run by way of supernatural rituals that engage "Satan". I'm hoping it's all a put on. DL sure seems like a weird place for low IQ church ladies to congregate.

This has already been poignantly noted above, but bears repeating in this case: R338, is there anything you won't blame on "Russian bots"?

Anyway, AFAIK, nothing has come from the Old Vic investigation yet. So, in regard to KS, the proper term is not "crime of sexual assault", but "allegation, uncorroborated by any evidence".

R318, no one is victim bashing here. I think everyone (including fans) understand how rampant his behavior had become. But we have to stop treating everyone as if they're a victim because they're not. If you were sexually assaulted by him, absolutely. If you were hit on by him, then no you are not. You have the absolute right to call Spacey a creep (which he was) but to play the victim card is ridiculous. R315 is right. Eight HOC crew members rejected his advances but they never stated that they were fired because of it. Didn't hear that from the Old Vic accusations either.

R336, because he never came out as gay in his peak. Spacey would've been the highest profile openly gay actor in Hollywood. And the gay community has waited for that for YEARS. Besides the creepy factor, he was despised in the community because EVERYONE knew he was closeted. And in this day & age, if you are gay you are EXPECTED to be out.

R321, who is around him now and how are they complicit? We haven't seen the guy since his Meadows stint & he's always been notoriously private.

R330, that's not trolling. That's just an opinion, but it makes sense. Apparently Spacey was known for suddenly dumping his paramours. Also, Rapp didn't do himself any favors by stating that he had no further comment after people starting to ask questions about his story.

R328, there are good stories about him. All of his co-stars liked working with him in movies, especially the females (which is interesting). He's creepy & touchy feely but always professional & gives 100%. He really did help the Old Vic survive as a theatre. Never heard a bad word about him from the Richard III tour. He personally wrote checks to extend theatre production runs. From what I've seen, he looks like a voracious reader - he loves newspapers & book stores. There are a couple of pictures of him on vacation in Europe with friends (not celebs). And he loves dogs. We all know he doesn't talk to his brother but he still has a relationship with the older sister & her family. I know he had a close relationship with his brother-in-law's mother in the UK.

"what makes the Spacey accusations different from Weinstein is that there seems to be no paper trail of settlements & NDAs that would nail him."

According to this article, he did use payoffs and NDAs

R341 "Gay assault"... Ouch.

[QUOTE]“They had all just arrived at the hotel, and Kevin was being checked into his room,” a source spilled to Radar. “There was a Spanish bellhop that he zeroed in on right away.”

[QUOTE]Spacey personally approached the unsuspecting hotel worker to take his bags to his room and help unpack them, claimed the source.

[QUOTE]“Once they were in the room and alone, Kevin pushed the bellhop onto the bed and tried to rip his clothes off, while he was kissing him!” The stunned attendant fought off the actor’s physical assault and bolted from the room, according to the source.

😂😂😂 Spacey kills me.

R341 Reads like bad fan fiction.

Nah it’s totally Spacey’s MO.

[quote]gay assault

Calling it that kind of supports the claims upthread about this being Gay Panic. The poster saying we should just assume guilt, as there's "no smoke without fire" is scary, but not surprising. I assume that poster isn't gay. There was a poster on here a few months back on one of the #MeToo threads saying that innocent people being falsely accused of rape were an acceptable form of "collateral damage". All of this should be of concern to anyone, but especially so for gay people who really should know better.

I’m taking that report with a heap of salt because it’s coming from RadarOnline, which produces massive amounts of bullshit each week. And does so by using words like “sources say” and “allegedly”. Even Daily Mail comes up with more substantial stories.

Plenty of gay posters are calling out Spacey, R346. You trying to shut down the discussion or claim it is anti-gay will not work.

R340

The reason Spacey's female costars thought he was easy to work with is because he was a gay man who didn't sexually assault or even attempt to humiliate them the way straight men often do. This seemed surprising because he doesn't come across as a respectful person generally - so of course straight women aren't going to be the first to complain. As a predator he apparently was nastiest to straight powerless dudes who would never bitch about him to women. Also most women who are still working in Hollywood aren't going to make up third hand accusations about Spacey when they are still grappling with how much they feel permitted to discuss first hand experiences.

Just watch Dana Brunetti's ex-friend, Kristin Chenoweth almost lose it on British TV when they wont let her change the subject from Weinstein (the interviewer actually tries to declare that she has admitted to having been one of Weinstein's victims after she said no such thing.) She pulls herself together and makes it clear that she does know of sexual harassment of MEN that needs to be dealt with before it is all over. Then she lists people who she thinks have not assaulted anyone. Shockingly that list (JJ Abrams, Bryan Fuller...) don't appear to come to mind easily for her but she tries.

Considering how chummy she was with Brunetti and Spacey from 2013 to 2014 I am sure she would have blurted out Kevin Spacey's name if she had any reason to believe he was one of the 'good guys.'

She also clearly thought the shit was about to really hit the fan with men who have been disrespectful and predatory to other men.

r348 Plenty of gay men can't see the wood for the trees, but most of the hysteria in this thread is obviously coming from fraus. If Spacey has committed an actual crime, then he should be treated accordingly. We just haven't seen any evidence of that. And the reaction to Spacey simply coming on to other men, albeit clumsily and even forcibly, is either homophobia or simple pearl clutching.

Who are you trying to convince R350?

What is it to you to pretend that datalounge is ready to rally behind KSpacey in solidarity when DL has hated him for so long? Closeted creeper Spacey has been a joke for years. Other than some grief over losing a TV show that lots of people enjoyed no one will miss him. This isn't the place where 'the gays' come to rally behind their favs and form a fan club so we can all be the first to buy tickets for the comeback tour and sit together sobbing quietly while he warbles through a few Bobby Darrin numbers.

r351 An atmosphere where clear gay panic becomes acceptable should be a concern to all gay people. Can you not understand that, my love?

R352 is absolutely right. Regardless of your opinion of Mr. Spacey, how the media has portrayed his actions given the limited amount of facts should be concerning to all gay men.

Spacey is over. He has been known to be a predator for years. Trying to invert a gay panic defense does not rally some mythical gay troops to support him, we have known about and hated him for years. It does, however, get you blocked. You can shriek frau, bot, and whatever else you think of, and try to make supporting Kev some gay rights cause, but the gays who are not being paid see right through your tactics. His embodying so many horrible stereotypes in his perving is cause for DISTANCE, not embrace.

"All of this should be of concern to anyone, but especially so for gay people who really should know better."

LOL. The stories about Kevin being a predator started on gay forums like this before the mainstream media called him out - same thing with Bruce Weber, James Levine, etc. People like you are the reason victims don't come forward.

Trying to make up a fake narrative about gay panic on DL is fucking nuts. He liked to paw all over guys and then get them fired as part of his power trip. Also he gropes little boys.

r354 Try not to let your hatred for Spacey cloud your reason. Again, an atmosphere where gay panic is acceptable is dangerous to all of us.

[quote]Also he gropes little boys.

And there we are. Not one rumor or accusation against Spacey has been about pedophilia and yet there you are stating that as a fact. It's a slippery slope and if you really are gay, which I doubt, you should be ashamed of yourself for encouraging it.

Again, if Spacey is guilty of a crime, he should be treated accordingly, but you clearly want more than that. It's very odd.

But, if this is some kind of harbinger of "gay panic" that's cleverly designed to foment homophobia, where are all those other gay "villains"?

I have a reasonably good friend who works as the head of post-production for a major TV company and, what I've heard from her last time I was in LA this past November, is that Spacey's behavior had been the topic of conversations in the industry for years. I don't even know how the conversation tuned to him, and it didn't even last very long, but she related it pretty matter-of-factly. Once he became too much of a liability and people on the set of HoC were threatening to sue, there was nobody left to protect his image. He's a good actor but his behavior was getting out of hand and, even in Hollywood, a toxic workplace is not something that will be tolerated forever.

And, I don't have any reason to think she was talking out of her ass because she had told me that that Jeremy Piven show was going to be cancelled at least a month before it was officially announced. It was the combination of underwhelming ratings but also trying to preempt any situation that would be similar to the one involving Spacey.

I posted about the twitter photo i will try and find it again. Not sure if Spaceys lawyers have had it removed. But it was definately on twitter try googling ' k spacey in disguise'. I found it by chance. He was walking with a youngish lady. It was about two to three months ago. Defo him. Im surprised no tabloid newspaper or magazine bought it. It was also the same time when house of cards production was getting ready to start. Might be related or not.

I don't know what is the more tired DL meme is: Kevin Spacey and Harvey Weinstein are this close to being ruined for eternity, or Donald Trump will never serve out his 4 year term.

[quote]But, if this is some kind of harbinger of "gay panic" that's cleverly designed to foment homophobia, where are all those other gay "villains"?

I don't think it's as calculated as that. I suspect it's just a double standard. The rumors about Bryan Singer have been around for years, too, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of them were true. But there was a thread on here a few months back about that article where a former (young) boyfriend of his related their year-long relationship. To many, the age difference will be distasteful, but there was nothing in that article that was a crime. The boyfriend was an adult at the time and everything he spoke about was consensual and not even particularly noteworthy. Yet many posters here and elsewhere seemed to echo the tone of the reporting by treating the story as something criminal and morally repugnant, purely because it was a relationship between an older man and a younger man and there were claims of multiple partners and drug taking. I see the same reaction here with regard to Spacey groping young men or coming on to them in an apparently forcible way.

We have to be careful about rumors. Some rumors are based in fact, but others are not; yet all rumors, regardless of their veracity, will spark more rumors and over time those rumors spread and become accepted fact. And then rumors alone are taken as proof of wrongdoing. As someone upthread said, "There's no smoke without fire". It's dangerous.

We all gossip on here, obviously; but when the gossip is about alleged criminality then we should be a little more mindful of the consequences.

"And then rumors alone are taken as proof of wrongdoing."

Yawn, there are many people who have come forward with first hand accounts about Spacey. That's not "rumors" except in your feeble mind. I bet you have no problems believing "rumors" about stars you DISLIKE but of course everything said about precious Kevin just HAS to be a lie.

What's up with the spin going on? Did Kevin's PR people discover this site? Because we've been posting about him being a predator for years and, aside from the occasional "Leave him alone!" fangurl we all accepted it as true.

[quote]Yawn, there are many people who have come forward with first hand accounts about Spacey.

And yet, so far, no arrest has been made. Which is why some people here keep going back to the claim that there have been rumors about Spacey for years... and "there's no smoke without fire". It's dangerous. Can you not understand that, my love?

[quote]Because we've been posting about him being a predator for years

Oh well, case closed, then.

I am also so very baffled by the pro Spacey activity in this thread too R362.

Why would someone try to plant the idea that datalounge loves Kevin Spacey and want to defend his honor? At one point the troll apparently wasn't even an English speaker. Now they seem to be speaking in unrelated catch phrases. It isn't quite robot level trolling but it is close. What does anyone expect to gain by pushing this agenda here?

Datalounge has been posting about Spacey being a sexually unappealing predator for years. We aren't suddenly going to rally around him because OMG his reputation as a creepy old man spoiled his career and messed up his TV show. He cried 'gay' WAY too late.

Roll your eyes all you want, R364 the search function is right there at the top of the screen.

r365

Yes. R366 -- that is today's argument here.

But why. Who the hell thinks datalounge is the place where Spacey's defenders should go to rehab his image? If datalounge mattered Spacey would never have GOTTEN House of Cards to begin with.

"And yet, so far, no arrest has been made."

Yeah, and Harvey Weinstein hasn't been arrested yet but I bet you have no problem believing the stories about him. And Bill Cosby was a serial rapist for 50 years before he FINALLY got busted. You know the justice system is very favorable towards the rich, right?

If you click "ignore" on one of the pro-Spacey posts, a lot of the posts disappear. Looks like it's just one or two trolls in this thread. Bots, or just idiots?

"It does, however, get you blocked."

Oh NO!!!

Grow the fuck up.

[quote]Yeah, and Harvey Weinstein hasn't been arrested yet but I bet you have no problem believing the stories about him.

It's a straw man, as I never said I believed or disbelieved the stories about Spacey. Whether you or I or anyone else believes them is irrelevant. You seem to think suspicion equals guilt, which is dangerous. Can you not understand that?

I see "Gay Panic, Gay Panic!" has its own troll. Sure, let's rally around the poor victim of this "Gay Panic" witch hunt, Kevin Spacey. *rolling eyes*

Oh no! You can't say he's a creep or sexual predator, because you can't PROVE it! This gossip shit doesn't count! No, no, no, no! Stop writing these libelous accusations on an anonymous message board! Stop it, stop it this instant! We need to support our dear gay hero Kevin Space from this terribe gay panic witch hunt!

Our dear gay hero Kevin Spacey *lol*

is kevin spacey even gay?

r371 Calm down, dear x

r350, r374. I am calm. Why so defensive?

[quote]I am calm.

I think the real question is what sort of troll are we dealing with. Is it a bot, a paid shill or a 'wont someone think of the child-molesters!' loon.

r377 You forgot Russian Troll, love.

PS - grow up x

r377 I note how you keep trying to categorize yourself as "we". Did you not read the wiki link upthread?

Why make the effort? A troll is a troll. Do they deserve to be further categorized?

No we ruled out Russian troll. Russian trolls don't botch the English language. Not even trolls from Macedonia do that.

Oh, did "we", r381? That's nice, dear x

This person has too much time on their hands.

Kevin is gone, move on.

Who the heck is R340 ??? Whats that all about ? He reads books and is nice to his pet dogs.... he had a close relationship with his brother in laws mum ! Why write that ? Sounds creepy to me. Spacey is rumoured to have a thing for older hollywood stars.. katherine hepburn... Lauren Bacall.. Who knows how sexually deviant hes been over the decades.

"Deviant"?

You're right, R384

I should have read more closely. 340 is clearly a person willing to post an answer to a random set of questions. I'm still genuinely curious as to why. Why would anyone take Kevin Spacey's situation personally enough for this effort?

R386 You could ask the same question to his detractors. Some people have negative opinions of Spacey that have nothing to do with the alleged incidents and have clearly said as much, but that doesn't stop them from their rush to judgment. I admit to doing the same to people who I didn't like only to realize it later. Why don't you just settle for the fact that others, whether they are fans of Spacey or not, have a different opinion than you do.

Seriously, what gay person uses a term like "sexually deviant"?

Ok i should have used a different word than deviant. Its been a long day. But hopefully you get my point.

A lot of people hate Spacey because he was deeply in the closet but apparently everyone, from the post production manager of a major tv studio from R358 to actors and actresses, and people 6 degrees removed knew that Spacey was gay and never tried to hide it. I'd take everything said with a grain of salt.

"Spacey is rumoured to have a thing for older hollywood stars.. katherine hepburn... Lauren Bacall.. Who knows how sexually deviant hes been over the decades."

Gotta be a Frau. Jesus...

r390, they knew he was gay because he hit on every man in the world and was indiscreet, same reason we know Revolta is gay even though he is closeted and bearded. He wasn't out.

bumpity bump bump

will he be at the preakness again this year, Muriel?

Has anybody seen him since this scandal broke?

Where is he hiding?

Who cares? He is STILL completely loathsome.

I remember when he was so revered, so worshiped as this outstandingly brilliant actor. I guess all that adulation went to his head (and his penis) and he thought he could do anything and get away with it, like Weinstein and Cosby. Now it doesn't look like he'll ever work again, at least in leading roles or even supporting roles. Maybe he'll do voice work. At any rate, all the praise and worship is now gone. I wonder how he's dealing with it? Wasn't he in some of of "rehab?" Sleazebag rehab? At any rate, he seems to be hiding. Hopefully, he'll hide out for a long, long time.

No. It really does seem that he was being a scumbag before the adulation went to his head.

That is sadder. Because bringing him back down to reality with the METOO movement hasn't really had an impact on whether he can try to be a decent human being.

You guys can't stand Spacey yet continually talk about him.

MOVE ON.

Who knows where he is but he's probably not hiding. He just living privately at his home. Most likely we haven't had any pap pics because he doesn't live in Los Angeles, New York or Miami. Remember, not everyone in the world is sneaking pictures of celebrities at every moment to sell to TMZ. There are many places that actually leave famous people alone.

r400, you stans are the ones who keep talking. Can't you get that no one likes you? We all think you're a joke.

R400 was blocked eons ago.

Spacey has zero chance of getting his career back on track. ZERO.

bet he can get work in Europe or romania

Romania has great wi-fi.

Kevin Spacey is the Fatty Arbuckle de nos jours.

He’s made enough money to avoid having to work in Romania.

Spaceys situation is far worse than Fatty Arbuckle case. Far far worse. Anyway Fatty was innocent and not as long established as Spacey. This is by far the worst Hollywood star case. Sinatras fall from popular fame after his first divorce wasn't this bad, Chaplin leaving America wasn't this bad, Howard Hughes going nutty wasn't this bad. Spacey has well and truly gone beyond anyone else.

And a lot of the damage he’s caused still hasn’t come to light.

He's still huge in Ruritania

Doesn't matter if he's huge anywhere. The damage done elsewhere is enough to finish him for good.

What do you mean by "damage" ? I hardly understand because it's like if you were talking about Jack the ripper, so can you light us ?

Can you enlighten us ? (sorry little problem with my fingers)!!!!

[quote]And a lot of the damage he’s caused still hasn’t come to light.

If it hasn't come to light yet, how do you know about it?

By damage they mean his reputation is ruined in the US and he won't work again in the same capacity he has before. He still has fans (ugh) but the amount of people that would be outraged at the THOUGHT of him being cast? He's done.

Even if no more allegations come to light, he's over. I doubt he even wants to work in the public eye again given that reputation and recognition were so important to him.

There are all bat crazy rumours floating around about him. Depends where u live and what websites u read. I heard a lad threw himself out of a speeding car to get away from him in britain. Could be lies who could tell.

"I heard a lad threw himself out of a speeding car to get away from him in britain."

Heard a similar rumor except it happened on the set of The Shipping News in Canada

I heard a rumour about a young woman who threw herself out of a limo when he came on to her. But first she sprayed him with champagne. "Party on, Bob!"

I heard it was a child who leapt from the top of a ferris wheel to get away from him.

R419 Dont believe that, what kinda parents allow Kevin Spacey to take their child on a Ferris wheel ? Why would he try it on in a ferris wheel when he was travelling to Epsteins remote island ?

Someone on twitter was claiming that he saw a post on facebook from a guy who said his friend heard a story from his in-law's ex gardener that his mother told him, where a Latvian boy of 14 threw himself out of an airborne plane after Kevin Spacey asked him whether he preferred oysters or snails.

I heard he went into the bar at the Four Seasons hotel and grabbed every man's dick! One after another, including a young Jamie Bell's! There was a stampede in the lobby, agents crying everywhere. The man has no shame.

Someone on instagram is subtly hinting she knows a woman who used to work on House of Cards and she alleges that she heard from a show runner on Two Broke Girls that the brother of a woman who she knew from college, who ended up working as a key grip on All the Money in the World, claims to have walked in on Kevin Spacey forcibly inserting his Oscar up the hairy bumhole of a young Milanese air steward singing "That's Amore".

What have i wasted two minutes reading ! When they claim Spacey is totally 'off grid' i kind of dont believe it after reading this crap.

(R423) (R422) I can hardly believing Kevin Spacey is so loathsome in real life....I am stunned.

One of the guys from the House of Cards set said Kevin groped him in a moving car (he didn't jump out though)

Harvey Weinstein is likely to be arrested by NYC authorities tomorrow. Spacey should be shitting bricks.

Don't bet on it just yet. Wait until the investigations are completed. Remember, these cases are being brought about because there's actual evidence. Amazingly, what brought Cosby and (eventually) Weinstein down are settlements and/or NDAs. Because the bankrupted Weinstein Co. released all the NDAs, there's now a treasure trove available. Weinstein had god knows how many.

Exactly how much evidence (and I mean real evidence, not just rumors) is on Spacey? We'll see.

Also what makes the cases against Cosby & Weinstein so credible was the fact that they had accusations brought to police or the courts BEFORE #metoo.

According to flight logs, Spacey and Bill Clinton flew down to Jeffrey Epstein's private island together. They say Epstein has torched the entire island to ashes now that the game is over.

"They" say that Big Bird was on that flight, too.

House of Cards finished forever today in Baltimore. Without Spacey, of course. I wonder if he sent anybody congratulations.

"Also what makes the cases against Cosby & Weinstein so credible was the fact that they had accusations brought to police or the courts BEFORE #metoo."

So did Spacey. Anthony Rapp told the truth about him years ago, but The Advocate censored him.

[quote]"They" say that Big Bird was on that flight, too.

I hope for his sake he din't bring his cell phone. That was the mistake they all made. They left their bodyguards and armed agents behind but the stupid fools carried their cell phones with them on the Lolita Express to Epstein Island. The NSA knows everything about all of them thanks to their phones.

Dont know about evidence but Bruchetti looks like he has alot on his mind lately. We should all know by autumn.

I'm listening Kevin SPACEY singing "the curtain falls" from the movie BEYOND THE SEA and I can't stop thinking life is ironic and sometimes tragic... I have a heavy heart, sorry for that.

OP And he will be, repeatedly once he goes to Federal prison.

Only just found out that The Old Vic is 200 this month, with due celebrations underway.

Awkward, I imagine, in dealing with the ten-year contributions of the world-famous former artistic director. Without recent events, an appearance of some sort would surely have been a given.

But now, it's very likely 'All The Money In The World' again. The man who isn't there.

Does anyone know if Kevin SPACEY is going to meet the same fate as Harvey WEINSTEIN ?

Kevin, baby . Why haven't you called?

(R440) : The Hot Women of Europe no. The Women of Europe, it's better. And by the way, these women don't judge anyone only because it is said or written on "social medias" because Europe is not "puritain", not yet, and I (we) hope it will never be (I mean like in America)...

Straight European Women are mad about "Real Men" and Kevin SPACEY is very hot and sexual. No matter if he is gay at 99%...European Women will take the 1% with a lot of pleasure!!!!

r36 I resent that.

Still a saggy-eyed hound either way.

Unless Kevin is kept in solitary confinement prison will be a dream cum through for a gay sec addict

Is he a gay sex addict because he was "supposedly" raped by his father when he was younger ? or is he like that because it's his nature and that's all ???

'Hello? Hello - is this Scotland Yard? Robbery division please, dear..hurry! [some moments pass] Yes, oh dear God - finally! Officer - will you help me? The thing is this. My little dog needed to attend to her business at 3 a.m. - well, you know how they are! And so with no further ado I took her along to St James' Park for a tinkle. Did I know what? Cottages? Err...don't know what you're on about luv! I mean, officer. Anyway the thing is - a young ruffian ran out of the darkness and stole my phone! Yes, yes I did sustain an injury - a nasty bruise to the face! No, he didn't strike me - I..I...err...became entwined in my little dog's lead in the kerfuffle - and tripped! And fell to the ground!'

[quote]([R423]) ([R422]) I can hardly believing Kevin Spacey is so loathsome in real life....I am stunned.

For fuck's sake - is this what DL has become? We used to keep this type of dimwit out by dragging them to shreds when they revealed their utter stupidity.

Psst...Keep this to yourselves, you lot. My cousin tends bar in one of the chi-chi London hotels, and who should come in one night but Ian McKellan and Patrick Stewart pissed as newts and they were blabbing away about Spacey and Ian said to Patrick that he had seen Spacey in the Bayswater branch of Marks and Spencer suggestively stroking a packet of prawn sandwiches while asking a handsome shelf stacker where the pecan shortbread could be found. Cheeky bitch!

(R448) : As you are so smart, tell us how to cure someone like Kevin SPACEY ??? (instead of criticise him and all the people who are so surprised and chocked by what they've learned about him !!!!!).

R437, I hate to disappoint you but all of his criminal investigations are state crimes. He hasn't been accused of a Federal crime.

R439, he most likely won't. Weinstein is facing multiple Rape charges, which are the most serious in the criminal code. He's looking at a good 10 years in prison. Spacey is being investigated for sex assault charges (groping) which carry sentences from probation to 3 years. So even if Spacey is convicted, he's going to see the light of day again. Can't say the same for Weinstein.

"Still a saggy-eyed hound either way."

Yeah, a cockhound.

he can retire in glee/ he had some of the best dick in and out of hwood that there is to be had.

Yes, r453, because in most instances the men lay back and hoped he'd further their careers.

R451 The three allegations Scotland yard are investigating are not in the newspapers. We do not know if its rape or not. Spacey could be charged. I heard they were all working together, scotland yard and america. Who knows what will happen.

What was his behaviour while he was playing in "Looking for Richard" (the Al Pacino documentary of 1996) ? I've heard many gossips about it, on the web, regarding his relation with actors of the movie.

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Well, they're both sleazy as hell

Can't see Spacey doing good works among East End youth like Profumo to 'rehabilitate his image.' Oh, wait...

R457 Looks like James Mason, I don't see Spacey at all. Spacey looks a lot like Bobby Darin.

Older Darin

R453 He had the best cock in and outside of him deary! Empress Spacey is a big time bottom.

Who is that at R457?

The story makes me sad in part because I felt he was a good actor and had done a lot of work for the Vic. I think the thing that gets me is this: is there no one he fancied who ever felt the same way about him? Obviously a lot of people here don't find him attractive, but I did. I assume I can't be the only one. He had money, fame, critical adulation, seemed charismatic, intelligent and interesting in interviews. Absolutely no one was up for a bit of something mutually consensual? Is he twisted enough that he would turn down any genuine advance made to him?

He's still a good actor and time will take care of all of this. His "crimes", at least thus far, really do amount to a Gay Panic of sorts, a celebrity hitting on men (who I would wager were hoping to get something out of him). I still say he'll be back ala Mel Gibson and all will be forgiven after an apology or two. Just wait.

^I'm sure he fucked plenty of guys, but the WILLING ones aren't the ones coming forward.....

For whatever reason he seemed highly impulsively attracted to guys who were straight or didn't consider him. Whatever had happened to him that seemed to intetest him more than willing partners. Don't forget he's reported to have a streak of cruelty in him. The word on the Spacey fan blogs is that he is not coming back. He is allegedly building a different life and will not return. He is allegedly supposed to be in a frame of mind that his friends cannot even show him his own fans greetings of support. Make of that what you will. He sounds tough and unwilling to show weakness so will move on with his life like he did as a kid. New town, new school new spacey.

So he will be running some kind of criminal enterprise? Or just going to jail?

R468, maybe neither. I'm giving the criminal investigations until the end of the year. If he's not arrested by then, its unlikely he will be.

"He is allegedly supposed to be in a frame of mind that his friends cannot even show him his own fans greetings of support."

Aside from the trolls, who still supports that creep?

Lots of fan who are still waiting for some truly horrendous accusations instead of just Gay Panic from aspiring actors (the worst).

From my experience with him I don’t think he was interested in relationships or consensual flings. He got off on danger and dominating others.

Whose to say if he did or not? He was always extremely private. He did seem to be low key dating that Evan guy but it's safe to assume they are no longer a thing now.

Evan from Evan and Jarin was his manager? The mind boggles.

Is he still "managing" Kevin?

R475 Apparently not but he has disappeared like Spacey. R472 would you like to share anymore details or are you recovering ?

A friend of mine who worked in catering said that any event Spacey was involved in planning he “cast” the male waitstaff via HEADSHOTS. Of course he chose the most gorgeous ones. And could often be spotted later that evening making out with one of them in a utility closet.

R474, Evan became Kevin's manager via Dana Brunetti. Dana & Evan are partners in a venture called StageIt.

R476, well remember Evan was only seen when he was Kevin's manager. But I do know that Evan & Jaron come from money, so he could definitely afford that place without Kevin.

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me, R477. I'd do the same.

R465, but what people forget about Mel Gibson is he was never reported to be abusive at work, which is why I think he was slowly able to inch his way back. The "only" one he abused was his gf which lots of people think is okay or are fine looking the other way on that. You can't say the same about Spacey so, no, I don't think he can make the same type of comeback.

r477, thanks for the gossip. It reminds me of a story that the Enquirer did - Kevin was at some fancy hotel (forget where) and he asked for a masseur. Then he sent down his assistant to complain that the masseur they sent him wasn't goodlooking enough. His behavior is so sleazy that it's almost funny.

THAT's sleazy? So many pearl clutchers...

R477 What power Spacey had ! even chosing the waitstaff at events. How will he cope long term with that loss of power. greta garbo lifestyle offers no free twinks. He will have to pay nowadays. R478 I didn't realize Dana Brucetti was anything to do with stageit. Thought it was all Evans idea. Funded by sugar daddy spacey.

[quote]THAT's sleazy? So many pearl clutchers...

And the source was The Enquirer, no less.

You can say anything you want : I STILL LIKE HIM AND ADMIRE HIM. I don't give a shit what other people think about that. I don't condone his behaviour if this did happen, but I will never think that K.SPACEY is a "monster". Some of these new allegations are sounding like people trying to get their fifteen minutes of fame (like Andy Warhol used to say) : several of them were rejected by the police!!!

And let me tell you, many people keep calling him a "pedophile" and I think we must to clarify it : KEVIN SPACEY IS NOT A PEDOPHILE. THAT'S THE POINT. If you want to know why, it's very easy to understand : A PEDOPHILE IS ATTRACTED ONLY TO PREPUBESCENT CHILDREN OR CHILDREN which KEVIN SPACEY IS NOT. All the allegations concerning him have only involved YOUNG ADULT MEN. So he is not a pedophile.

Let's talk about Mister Anthony RAPP ; Kevin SPACEY did not rape or molest him : he only lay on top of him and A.RAPP said no and got away, that was it happened to him, it's to say.... That's why I will never to discard him like garbage. I'm sorry but I will not and I will never follow the "majority" (it's always suspect when everybody think the same thing). And by the way, when you accuse some of a crime or of a rape, you don't wait THIRTY YEARS to bring it up instead of going to the police. I think that's why you have a statute of limitations on crimes for a reason : INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

A last thing to all the "virtuous people" : all these "drama queens" are boring. You can think anything you like about me, frankly, I'm beyond caring.

[quote] You can think anything you like about me, frankly, I'm beyond caring.

You are, Kevin. You are.

I don’t think anything about you, r485. You’re too boring to care about.

R485 you are right

Whiners, Despotic and....Pathetic (R487).

I don't know if KEVIN SPACEY will come back, but he should sue these morons/whiners.

Ms Spacey has Dirty Asshole Face.

Are the idiots predicting Spacey's imminent demise for the last 8 months the same idiots who have been predicting Trump's imminent downfall since October of 2016?

Just wondering.

[quote]Spacey's imminent demise

Unprecedented erasure from a big movie, and the abrupt winding up of a major TV series, are strong signals that a career is not in the best shape.

Likewise a forensic examination of possible collusion and linked corruption - in the first year of a 'Presidency' - offer good grounds for thinking the probed subject won't flourish as he thinks he should.

Each person is compromised and damaged. The charge of 'idiocy' could equally be levelled at those thinking that either actor or POTUS might warrant any esteem whatsoever.

R492

Nope.

Most gays are pissed at Spacey for trying to come out as a gay man AFTER his predatory Rapp groping past became part of the #METOO movement. IE he tried to use his fame to smear all gay men as predatory creepers. On top of pissing off many gays with his asshattery -- he alienated the homophobic fan base he has cultivated all these years as a 'straight acting' closet case.

And he just isn't that good. Plummer did a bang up job replacing him at a moment's notice.

As for the crazy "I still wuve my alpha-Kev" stan -- very real attempts have been made on this board to see Brunetti and other pals as some sort of proof that Spacey was at least able to have some functional relationships. But no one is really coming out with any first person good guy stories. No matter how often we bump the thread.

Replacing him in the movie AND the series says more about those pussy shit producers than it does about him. Everyone was running scared. Now it seems silly -- and it hasn't even been that long. MeToo Hysteria and Kevin (and Franco) had to pay for it.

Bill Clinton's political legacy has been completely and utterly destroyed within a matter of months with the rise of metoo even though people had moved on years ago. I'm not saying Bill was right, but the current climate does not allow for nuanced debate or serious discussion about rehabilitation.

Whos R485 ?! Whats that all about ? Why was Spacey in recent years suddenly visiting childrens hospitals like jimmy Saville ? What was that all about ? On his own, not with any other actor? Looked weird at the very least.

How do you R485 know the police have rejected sexual allegations??? Would only Spacey, his lawyers and his inner inner circle know about such matters ?

I'm unpersuaded the law will take down Kevin. He knows too much on too many people. Not only the trips with Epstein and Clinton, not only Hollywood and London, but even the Bohemian Grove types. "Suicide" is of course another matter.

"Bill Clinton's political legacy has been completely and utterly destroyed within a matter of months with the rise of metoo even though people had moved on years ago."

No, it hasn't.

I agree R498. I think he's been either a unofficial Clinton spy/ advisor or cia informer. He has either run out of use for the real elites or done something to annoy them. He was very close with the Labour party and the elites when he was in London. Which can also work towards keeping him out of jail now. He was allegedly friends with Prince Charles. I carn't ever see him returning to acting, too dangerous for him if he has crossed the line with the elites. He'll have to stay private. I thought it was a bit odd when the director Ridley Scott said Spacey had gone "underground". Very odd word to use, as if he was hinting at something. He'll be the ultimate Greta Garbo/Howard Hughes of modern times. Big bucks if anyone snaps a photo ect. Whatever happens if he stays out of sight they might not kill him off.

WTF

Is this a new troll or did the old troll have a mental break?

Yesterday on Howard Stern Alec Baldwin said Spacey has completely disappeared, that he may be reading the complete works of Dickens. Nobody knows anything.

He also said of the Baldwin boys Daniel has the biggest dick. Horse hung from youth

[quote]He also said of the Baldwin boys Daniel has the biggest dick.

Daniel, you say? I'll make some calls.

I imagineSpacey is fine and the turd who is trying for a lawsuit, not so fine.

Spacey troll at r504!!!

Alec Baldwin discussing his own sons dick ? odd

Brother's/Brothers', r506

Will Spacey laying on top of Rapp be the Fatty Arbuckle Coke bottle incident of the 21st Century?

No R508 i think the Old Vic allegations are worse. Rapp story leaves alot out. They are more vivid, fires the imagination, Like phantom of the opera. The charming hollywood superstar comes to London to save the oldest theatre and is lauded by high society, meanwhile away from the adoring crowds he stalks the backstage of the theatre with his wandering hands like jack the ripper. Makes young actors have weird picnics on the stage.... its all there.

They did an over kill job on Kevin SPACEY. Europeans (except England, of course) are more adult than puritans of (2018) America.

“Weird picnics”? As in meat and two veg?

What are his disorders?

Gone baby gone

Is he a top or a bottom ?????

Odd, still no formal charges. Tick tock tick tock... crickets.

Gay Celebrity Panic.

Where is he now ? and don't answer "who cares"? please....

R515 - I'm waiting until the end of the year. That gives the authorities a full year to investigate those claims. If we don't hear anything, its unlikely he'll get charged.

R516 - Outside of his circle, no one really knows. But I can only assume he's staying out of the media hubs (NYC, LA, London, Miami, etc.) to stay out of sight for a while.

Guy Pearce: “He was very ‘handsy.” Thank God I was 29 and not 14.” OUCH.

R518 How many threads are you going to bump today by posting the same shit?

r519 is the Spacey fangurl troll

No R520. Just someone who's sick and tired of trolls like you bumping multiple threads about the same topic every day. Get a blog for your obsessions, cunt. Leave us out of it.

r521, I wasn't the one who "bumped" the thread with the Pearce post. And, btw, you are "bumping" the thread by responding to him. Get over your precious Kevin, cunt. Star a fan blog.

Spacey probably isn't going to jail. But his reputation as someone easy to work with is gone and his star power also squandered.

UHHH, the link I posted is brand new, it hadn’t been posted already.

You are SO blocked, R519/bitch.

R524 I'm heartbroken. I don't know how I'll go on. Maybe I'll kill myself.

Pearce's comment is nothing new, and Pearce hasn't been relevant for years. Why this has been spread around the internet is beyond me. Its a non story.

Handsy? Isn't that how you describe someones grandfather or someone lacking genteel customs?

"Pearce's comment is nothing new, and Pearce hasn't been relevant for years."

Hi, Kevin!!!!

All this time I thought that was Val Kilmer.

Per the BBC this morning, London police are investigating three new allegations of sexual assault by Spacey.

When will it ever end. To requote C. Plummer "its a scandal that never bloody ends" Scotland yard are now investigating 6 complaints. I don't think this is gonna go away uncharged. Gloucestershire 2013 ? Hope it wasn't at the Hay on wye book festival. But Guy Peace wants to get a life.

[quote]Hope it wasn't at the Hay on wye book festival.

If it turns out Spacey even sullied your actual literature then I hope he BURNS IN HELL!!!!

[quote]But Guy Peace wants to get a life.

Pearce is no famewhore. He was asked point blank about working with Spacey on a chat show. "Tough one to talk about at the moment" is another quote from him. He kept his comment brief and intentionally vague. "Handsy" can cover a lot, but sounds like Spacey made some aggressive moves on him. If anything, Pearce is downplaying it. Pearce was very pretty in LA Confidential.

Pearce is being very diplomatic. He was probably sexually harrassed by Spacey.

Spacey is in big trouble with the UK authorities. They’re the ones who are going to nail him.

Rupert Graves needs to come forward.

Probably sexually assaulted you mean.

R534 how do you know its big trouble ? It's being downplayed in uk. The tv news haven't picked up on it. On the radio it was a mere sentence mention. It's much bigger on the internet than a news item capturing the brits.

They are downplaying it in the UK because he isn't there and he isn't a big deal there. It is a big deal for Spacey -- because he IS being accused of criminal sexual assault after all.

What was Kevin doing in Gloucester - did Dianne have a summer home there?

R537 it’s also being downplayed because the accusations are from years past & London still has many more pressing crime issues than Kevin Spacey.

R538 I just had a conversation with someone about the Gloucester accusation. The prosecution will need to prove that Spacey & the accuser were present in that town on the date in question. They’ll have to find any pictures, news stories or other documents that put him there.

In britian there is a book town called Hay on Wye. All old quaint shops selling books. It has a annual book festival that all the rich and famous go to. Hay on Wye is very near gloucester. He has appeared at that book festival but im not too sure about 2013.

It's not particularly downplayed here in the UK. It was maybe item 4 in the flagship BBC 'Today' radio show - the 10-year Old Vic tenure mentioned - and the story was also on the BBC News homepage, with picture of KS.

Despite endless Cabinet Brexit tensions and England's World Cup victory, hidden Kevin still rates quite prominent billing.

"it’s also being downplayed because the accusations are from years past & London still has many more pressing crime issues than Kevin Spacey"

The initial reports about Spacey got tons of press......the new allegations are just more of what people already know about him (that he's a creep)

R541 im british and i do not think the general public are interested in it. The theatre world may be a buzz with the latest development, but the average brit goes in one ear and out the next. The brits were brainwashed with Spacey years ago. American Beauty he was at his peak in uk. Fortunately for Spacey this news did not break whilst he was Artistic Director at the Old Vic. He's seen as on verge of retiring, past his prime in uk. Gandalf speaking out on BBC about 'being in the closet does things to people' and talking about redemption put a tiny seed of sympathy for Spacey out there in uk.

"Gandalf speaking out on BBC about 'being in the closet does things to people' and talking about redemption put a tiny seed of sympathy for Spacey out there in uk."

Nonsense, no one feels sympathy for him except the Spacey trolls. (I suspect you are one of them)

Im 543 and i am not a troll R544. I simply do not find the british are particulary taken with this news. To say no one feels sympathy in uk is harsh and not how it is where i am. I will agree to disagree with you.

You don't sound "British" at all. You actually sound like the Americans who troll here, trying to make Spacey out to be some sort of victim.

"Kevin Orenthal Spacey, you are under arrest for an Incomplete Pass. How do you plead?"

LOL @ R547

nope , sorry R546 I'm not the american troll. I'm British through and through. Aware of spacey as a actor but not seen loads of his films.

The timing is quite suspicious. We haven't heard anything about Spacey for months until Billionaire Boys Club and now there are more allegations. Everyone already assumes that Spacey is a creepy old man but it's unlikely that he committed felony assault. It's not surprising that more people would come forward now. I would guess that these charges are even more spurious than the last.

R550 -- how is the timing suspicious? Just because Spacey has been hiding and waiting for this to happen and it happened?

The Nantucket case was ludicrous. An 18 y.o. being fed drinks at a bar by Spacey and I am sure the kid was loving the free booze. Spacey got frisky by grabbing his thigh which is basically saying hello in gay world and then the kid's MOMMY goes on National TV with the claims. Sitting next to her was the sister - where was the kid??? There are so many things wrong with this and not one of them was Spacey. The kid needs to grow a pair and if he didn't like it he was free to leave - he was just a kid in a bar - he wasn't on a casting couch. MOMMY needs to let her kid grow a pair and sissy poo needs to get off the TV and stop trying to grab 15 minutes of fame.

I agree with alot you wrote R552 but spacey didn't grab his thigh. He put his hands down the lads pants. Bit more than a thigh. Unfortunately spacey is 58 and what he could do 20 years ago you just cannot now.

R550... we'll have to wait and see. The allegations are pretty serious but the police/prosecutors still have to prove them.

I agree that the timing is suspicious. The whole situation is suspicious. Why now ? Why didn't this all come out 15 years ago. I think Spacey upset some kind of elites and he is now paying the price. They've got him checkered. Game set match.

God, I'm still hoping Spacey gets the last laugh -- just to send the Trial by Internet assholes into their tizzies. And I hope he tells all those phonies that laughed at jokes about his bad acting (as if) at the Golden Globes to go fuck themselves.

[quote] Why didn't this all come out 15 years ago. I think Spacey upset some kind of elites and he is now paying the price.

Perhaps the people who protected him don't have as much pull as they used to?

HE'S ADOPTED!

R552 sounds like the same troglodyte who is calling Brendan Fraser a "pussy" - read the allegations again, he didn't just touch the kids thigh

R555 sounds like a Spacey troll. It's not easy to accuse a celebrity, ask the Cosby victims. Just because they waited to come forward doesn't mean they are lying.

R556 who laughed at GG 2017 kevin spacey acting "joke" ? They did not laugh. Some even booed. Took media by surprise. Not laughing doesn't mean they support him, just his acting skills are more respected than his private life.

Maybe I have watched too many old movies but back in the day if a man was inappropriate with a woman and she didn't like it she slapped him and walked away. I get Cosby and Weinstein are different - they used their celebrity and power inappropriately (not nearly a strong enough word) but as a society we need to start sticking up for ourselves and call foul and not make a legal case out of every bad action.

"Maybe I have watched too many old movies but back in the day if a man was inappropriate with a woman and she didn't like it she slapped him and walked away."

Movies aren't real life, hon. You seem to forget that these guy are CELEBRITIES, not random drunk creeps at a bar. And being beaten up doesn't deter serial predators.....remember the cell phone incident? Didn't stop Kevin from preying on guys.

"I get Cosby and Weinstein are different - they used their celebrity and power inappropriately (not nearly a strong enough word) but as a society we need to start sticking up for ourselves and call foul and not make a legal case out of every bad action."

Putting sexual predators behind bars is sticking up for yourself. Wow, you sound like a very dim Republican.

Kevin Spacey situation is by far worse than Weinstein and Crosby. Spacey was popular, respected by cinema and theatre going public. Been in public eye for many years. Always going on about ones who succeed sending that elevator back down. He's betrayed much trust, violated people in all manner of ways, mentally and physically then displayed much arrogance and madness in continuing this behaviour for decades. It's a horrific situation than cannot be swept under the carpet. I hope he genuinely is seeking help. But there has to be justice to pay. And i speak as a fan.

But his "crimes" are so silly, even if every one of them is true (and not just Gay Panic). Even the Rapp stuff was not remotely rape or even molestation, just a drunk fall and recovery and then over.

R564 The Rapp encounter is odd. There are various bits to this story here and there. Who knows what really happened. We dont know how bad the other new allegations are. There has been some bad stuff alleged about what he did on social media blind items. If he hadn't done anything wrong then why did he rush to rehab ? Only really Spacey knows what he's done over the years. Maybe his real punishment will be losing his career and his beloved Old Vic.

" fall and recovery"

"Oh sorry I just happened to fall on top of you on the bed little boy. I hope my erection didn't cause any bruising."

For whatever reason i think Rapp has left some stuff out of his Spacey allegation. He subtly hinted at it, mentioning spaceys arms tightened but not given a detailed account. But i think many have heard enough we dont need a detailed account to know.

r552 is such a troll. Groping is basically saying hello in the gay world? Really? In a gay bar or club, does it "go with the territory"? Let's assume it does.

In the case of the 18-year old who got groped, there is no evidence they were "in the gay world". It wasn't a gay bar. Kevin had no idea if the kid was gay and it was his idea of a "gay handshake".

Give me a fucking break. And every fugly gay man who thinks gay men in any gay bar is an invitation to be grope deserves to be clocked.

The apologists might want to address: if KS's shunning and retreat have come from a hysterical witch hunt - why the man himself doesn't make some sort of public statement, if not (yet) appearance, in reasonable defence of his situation?

He's maybe the most confident articulate high-profile actor around, or was; but he's gone to ground, allowing his reputation no respite.

The inference seems to be strong that were he to attempt any kind of 'different times, witch hunt' perspective, yet more outraged assaultees might come forward; not to mention that the revived story would keenly rouse the press.

Long tactical silence seems to be KS's best and only real option.

R569 long tactical silence always a good lawyers advice.

"Oh sorry I just happened to fall on top of you on the bed little boy. I hope my erection didn't cause any bruising."

Talk about projecting. You are why eyewitnesses still don't count automatically as proof in court.

R571 you're either assuming it was a " drunken fall and recovery" based on absolutely nothing, or you were an eyewitness yourself.

Absolute nightmare to work with I'd say.

No, mine is based on Rapp's own account. I don't recall him mentioning the boner pressing into thigh. (And, yes, he might've left details out, though I don't know why since he was on a mission but that, too, is projection).

"A handsy guy" is one's idea of a nightmare to work with? Jesus, wait until you get a yeller on set. Or, worse, one that ignores you completely.

Remind me is this still a gay site? So many fucking pearl-clutchers.

R575 an entitled, creepy little toad trying to get I'm my pants every day for a year? Sounds like great fun. I don't know if you noticed but Kevin Spacey is no Guy Pearce.

R576 i dont get your remark. You mean spacey tried it on for a year with u ?! I agree he carried a creepy and entitled demeanour at times.

Again, pure speculation and/or spin. Pearce said no such thing and admires Spacey still so couldn't have been too disgusting. Some of you need to go join a nunnery.

"He touched me, eeeeek!"

R578 Its comments like that that make right wingers thing we were all molested. You're aware its possible to touch someone against their will right? On the no no place? And thats not ok?

Right because guys are such timid creatures that they would never hit back. Oh, wait a minute...

"Right wingers thing" that? On what planet? I swear, typos aside, I can't even begin to decipher your message.

580 so you're saying a man cannot be be physically raped or molested because he would defend himself? Kevin? That you?

That Guy Pearce comment is civilised and points to how creepy Spacey must be, for Pearce to bring it up years later.

So, you're just a racist cunt then, r549?

Seriously, will you shut the fuck up, R583? Goddam, DL sure is attracting a lot of gnats these days.

Gays can't rape other gays. Besides who wouldn't want my Oscar winning hands all over them at work every day?

R563, are you fucking kidding me? Harvey Weinstein raped dozens of women & destroyed god knows how many careers. And he had influence over the entire industry. But everyone knew that he was a bully & a creep. Cosby on the other hand is THE worst because he was portrayed as "America's Dad" and as a moral compass in the business & in society at large, particularly for Black Americans. His persona and his show was the blueprint for the American Dream for Black Americans. And then to find out that he was drugging a raping women for decades. It was earth shattering. And then James Toback had 300 women (!!) come forward with tales of his god awful behavior, but he escapes much of the public scrutiny because no one knows who he is.

What Kevin Spacey did was wrong, and he deserved to be canned. But compared to these three, his actions could be perceived as almost quaint.

R569 - Long tactical silence is the only option for damn near anyone accused.

569 There is no room for nuanced discussion in the age of metoo. I also don't think Spacey gives a fuck about his career at this point so he would have nothing to gain by coming forward.

r588, you definitely sound like a Republican.

R563 Why do we expect our entertainers to live a higher moral standard than the rest of us? It's not like Spacey ever sought out the press or craved publicity. He didn't try to craft a false public image like Cosby or appear in films that were meant for children.

R590 Spacey didn't seek out the press or crave publicity or craft a false public image? What !!!!!

[quote]Why do we expect our entertainers to live a higher moral standard than the rest of us?

We don't. We expect them to be more or less as we are. But when there's strong allegations of predatory behaviour going back decades, consequences are likely - as they would be for non-entertainers.

I always wonder how many talented people never got their career off the ground because they didnt want to let an old creep put his hand down their pants.

The Billionaire Boys Club was released on Video on Demand yesterday. It's laughably bad, but Spacey is great. He's playing a sleazeball so maybe it isn't a stretch but he is still the best thing about that film.

"It's not like Spacey ever sought out the press or craved publicity. He didn't try to craft a false public image like Cosby or appear in films that were meant for children."

He's an actor - of course he craved publicity. And as for crafting a false public image, I have four words for you: I love you, Dianne!

Don't misunderstand me, I 'm not saying that K.SPACEY is an angel but I think that he would have been straight all this crap wouldn't have been so tragic for his career.... In the "straight world", forget the me too movement, and even nowadays that kind of behaviours are seen as "Don Juan", "Lady's Men" etc.... but for gay men it's another story : "predators" "pedophile" "creep" etc..... LGBT still have a lot of work to do.

What a scold R583 r588 is.

Anyone who disagrees with you is a Repub or a racist. And your response to r549 is incoherent. Do you think everyone in Britain is white, doll?

Where can he be now ????.........Big mystery...Is he going to be the new Greta GARBO ?!!!

R598 i'd guess Florida.

Who wished him a very happy birthday on Thursday 26 July ????!!!!!.........................Ungrateful's....