Men who are attracted to crossdressers/T-girls/shemales

They're like "Straight Gays". Most sexuality comes down to dominate/submission type power roles. Guys into this are weird.

I don't know any trannies that are with straight guys.

We always called them Tranny Chasers and never thought too deeply about it.

Armenian cabbies in LA/Hollywood love them. These are gruff, chainsmoking men married with wives and children. I've heard this straight from acquaintances who have done drag, way before that Tangerine movie.

There are a lot of them.

I've wondered this myself OP, even since "The Crying Game"

Most straight guys I know would consider a penis a deal breaker even if the rest of the body was supermodel quality.

I don't know how I'd react in the reverse situation-- if I was making out with someone who looked just like say Zac Efron and it turned out they had a vagina--would I be turned off enough to just walk away.

Dunno

OP It's: [bold]Straight[/bold] Guys and [bold]Pansexuals[/bold].

Used to know a trans prostitute who swore blind she would never get the full op because she would lose earning power. She made a lot of money. She said quite a few of the men liked to be fucked on their backs so they could play with her not insubstantial tits. Pretty well all the men were married.

I'd say straight. They see a beautiful woman and are attracted to that. Like you said gay men are NOT going to be interested in transwomen, because they present as female. Transmen however are entirely different. The term gynephile seems most apt in the case of cismen who would date or even prefer transwomen. It means someone attracted to femininity, this would also cover straight men who may have/are confused by their attraction to extremely effeminate (gay) men. The opposite term is Androphile.

R7

Trans-attracted individuals may also describe themselves using this label.

It’s another form of bisexuality. Not sure why this is rocket science. Most of these men are Kinsey 1s and 2s who are only into feminine features; they aren’t attracted to traditionally-presenting men.

Its not rocket science but in todays climate people want to make a thousand different very specific identities, and then add in 1000 more variants of fluid identities, and god help you if you don't get it right. Tranny chasers. I dated a drag queen who liked to date gay men like me and sometimes date "straight" tranny chases. We went to the tranny chaser clubs and those guys are their own category but not all that complicated. The like chicks with dicks. The end.

R9 “Gynephile” means attracted to biological women, not “femininity.” The technical term for trans-attracted men is gynandromorphophilia.

Men in traditional cultures like Latino, Mediterranean, middle eastern seem to like them. Possibly because a crossdresser will do all of the taboo, kinky things that wifey won't.

Sometimes nthing quite satisfies like a chick with a dick, especially when she's Thai!

LOL i discovered this tranny thing through porn and was instantly into it. I later liked the fact that tgey have the same organs and that you do not have to guess and go through work like a woman. I also acquired a taste for feminine acting gay men because they bring femininity with tge maleness to want to fuck with no strings attached. I only go now after non-autogynpheliac trans and gay fem men. I am attracted by women but i will not bother with them. You get easy and good sex with someone of the same sex without tge guessing game. Yes, i was straight. Maybe this makes me more gay in some weird way but whatever. Funny thing is what so many of you gay men despise in your own feminity is liked by me and others. Hopefully this does not make me a creep

Castration anxiety. They want the chick but without the hole. Tits + dick and they don't have to confront the fact that mommy never had a penis, or fear that Daddy will cut off their own penis for wanting Mommy.

Thx R15 - that makes sense to me. I think there are certain men on the Kinsey scale who actually like feminine men - and I think the transition to trans is a logical extension. I’m a total 10 Kinsey gay so I like super masculine. I think probably some of the obsession with straight men on DL comes from this - strong attraction to the hyper masculine.

There is a type of hyper virility alpha male straightness that is so OTT that it somehow circles back around to gay. Thing Sparta. Or Tom of Finland.

I’m a gay guy who much prefers feminine appearing and acting gay guys. I don’t know want guys who dress in women’s clothes however. I dated one guy who was a drag, and not once saw his performances. I had no interest.

I am completely turned off by masculine appearing guys including Tom of Finland and bear types. When I was younger I’d think of them with disgust. I know that view is twisted, and I’m objective enough to realize that now.

I’m also not attracted to penises other than the fact that they happen to be the male sex organ, but have absolutely no interest in a vagina either. Dicks look misshapen to me. And though I’m a “top”, I don’t like anything having to do with anal sex. I’m very limited in my sexual tastes and interests.

[quote] I don’t know want guys who dress in women’s clothes however.

I do not want guys who dress in women’s clothes however.

R19 - dude what do you do? You’ve ruled out 90% of gay sex. Whatever works but that is really limited

R21, he likes to get his dick sucked.

R15, I appreciate your response. It makes about as much sense as anything I've heard about this. You're not a creep as long as you're honest about what you like and respectful to the people you date/like. Good on you.

R9, “gyn” pretty much means genitalia. It has nothing to do with femininity.

A man who has sex with other bio males is not straight.

Sorry, I meant vagina.

Gyn = vagina.

Some actually turn out to be trans themselves. Seriously. Its quite common for 'AGP' trans girls to be obseesed with trans porn and dating trans women before coming out themselves.

R15 gave a good answer.

R27 Ok. Then how does that explain gay tops like myself that are attracted to very 'fem' men? I like femmy submissive boys (including a bit of dress ups; panties etc) but am not attracted to full-on trans woman. Feminity can is very arousing, but females have never interesed me. Even though I am pretty masculine and have only been into fem twinks, I have only ever considered myself gay. Women do nothing for me.

What does it matter? Everyone doesn't need to be labeled to death. Just live and let live.

There are some gay men who are apparently attracted to cross-dressers/drag queens, and probably pre-op/no-op T-Girls.

They are gay if they like dick. What is attached to that dick (looks like a woman) makes them feel like they are heterosexual and not gay because wanting dick attached to someone who looks male is gay and to them gay is bad. Its an emotional loophole for them to get dick and still feel like they are menly men.

This is really interesting . When I came out, I made myself date a femme guy just to get over my issues with the feminine component of being gay. When first coming out, it was important for me to be comfortable around the most queeny guys so that I could acknowledge my internalized homophobia. I was always very “straight-acting” so I didn’t get bullied at school or deal with being visibly identified as gay on the street. It was a truly educational experience to be with someone who had to face it head on every day because they could not hide being gay. I gained much more respect for femmes and eradicated most of my intenailzed homophobia.

Having done that, I reverted to dating masculine guys and am still really attracted to a deep voice and other “masculine” traits. Good to see that there are many who are at ates to the femme gay guys.

They're straight men that like being fucked up their ass.

Men who want to be fucked up the ass by a dick are gay, not straight.

Not really R34. Prostate simulation is biological response that doesn't take sexuality into account.

Just for fun, I once posed as very hot asian girl in one of the dating apps. I will get tons of response from really hot straight guys looking to hook up. I will then tell them I'm a tg lol.

I'm always surprised that almost half of them doesn't care. Then a few of the other half just needs a little prodding. lol. And the rest just aren't interested.

R36 is the reason Craigslist was so beloved. Why oh why can’t we have our CL?

A lot of black men are into them

Eddie Murphy!

R31 or they are bisexual, they're certainly not hetero/straight.

See the Kinsey scale/Klein grid.

R37, apparently most people go on Double list now or some site like that or other sites instead. I don't use those sites but friends of mine do.

Did you dress in drag and meet up with any R36?

A lot of white men are into them.

At one time there were tons of them in the red light districts in Amsterdam.

I'm pretty stereotypically gay - consider myself sorta middle of the road, if not more fem than masc - and an attractive trans woman is a huge turn on. In terms of physical attraction I'm a butt man, and personality-wise authenticity is really attractive. A lot of trans women - unless they transitioned really early in life - still have a sort of male pelvic shape, so they can be really appealing. For some reason, the curves of a cis woman's butt (or even a trans man, for that matter) just aren't my thing. And I would much rather be with a femme guy who embraces his femininity, whether it means just more effeminate mannerisms or going full-fledged trans, than a guy who tries way too hard to come off more masculine than he actually is. I have a very sensitive bullshit detector in that regard. Incidentally, I also think landing strip pubes over a penis is SUPER hot, and it seems like cis guys just aren't willing to do that like trans women.

I'm actually surprised attraction to trans women is not more of a thing amongst otherwise gay men who are into asses. Seems like there should be more of a community.

You rang?

Pansexual is the word you are looking for OP.

Pansexuals: Attracted to Trans and all

Bisexual = attracted to men and women

Heterosexual= attracted to opposite sex

Homosexual attracted to same sex

straight

Straight, bi or pansexual.

Mentals, fucking other mentals

if youre feminine and passable, then straight

R49 If your sex partner has a cock, and you have a cock, it is a homosexual fucking, no matter how much makeup the mental fuckers wear, or what the tranny fucker tells himself

I know this really gross fat straight guy who got hammered and slurrednout that he has “fucked trannies” as far as I’m concerned he’s straight.

[quote] Did you dress in drag and meet up with any [R36]?

never lol. well for one thing, the pic I used is of a real hot asian girl - whom i cant even aspire to have a little resemblance

someone like Blaire White could get straight cock

[quote]A man who has sex with other bio males is not straight.

I actually have met a lot of guys that were attracted to trannies (and a lot of trannies). I used to be a waiter in San Francisco - all the waiters were gay and the closest bar was a trannie bar and we would often meet there after work. My impression is it's type of bisexuality. Somewhere on the spectrum. The guys want to do guy stuff but in their head they weren't gay if they got fucked by a trannie (or something like that.). I'm sure there are lots of reasons but that seemed pretty common. In this particular bar most of the trannies were hookers and after the guy and the trannie did their thing the guys went back to their wives (or girl friends).

I actually had sex with several cross dressers. I worked at a drag bar in Galveston Tx. The "show" was a bunch of cross dressers lip-syncing various songs and vamping around on stage. Some of them were pretty funny. Some of them hit on me and we did the thing. But once they were undressed they were just guys. Normal guy bodies. The all had scratchy legs though from shaving them. It was a fun way to spend a few month before I moved back to Houston.

I think when a guy who also sleeps with women likes to fuck trannies who are pretty and look like woman he’s basically straight. Most of those guys aren’t even interested in their cocks. But I agree there’s no need to label everything. As long as everybody is happy.

totally agree r55 - it's a big world and lots and lots of ways to do the sex thing !!

Hearts not parts!!!!

Any trans on here? Let's hear from you.

R7, Definitely NOT straight. More than likely bisexual and unwilling to admit it. Often come from a very Conservative or religious background/family. In their mind they really are dealing with a woman.

Similar to the "straight" men who like swing clubs. No they're not 100% straight if they're watching male action up close like what really goes on.

R35, If the man was into prostrate stimulation and was 100% straight then he'd find an open-minded girlfriend/wife who's more than willing. Your excuse used to be given by bisexual men who sought out blowjobs, rather than seeking out a more compatible sex partner.

By the way DL constantly has threads on why gorgeous men date and marry less attractive, even overweight or stay-at-home women. Now you have your answer,, that is they're usually much more sexually open-minded to whatever the man's fantasies may be.

TRANNY CHASERS!

It's a separate category, I guess.

Years ago, when I lived in Rio de Janeiro, I became friendly with some tranny hookers that hung out at a gay bar I liked to go to and according to them, almost all their clients where straight married men who wanted to get fucked in the ass by a "women". These men did not identify as gay or even bi, they self-identified as straight, and I believe it. They were into prostate stimulation by a penis that just happened to be attached to a "women".

That's why almost 100% of these trannies never went and had the bottom surgery because if they did, they would literally starve. Being a beautiful "women" with a fake vagina would do NOTHING for their lives as hookers.

Now every once in a while a "girl" would have the bottom surgery but that would be because she thought she could make it as a model or actress, but that rarely happened with any measure of success. Just my two cents regarding the few trannies I've ever been friendly with.

PS: a bit of gossip, like I said this was years ago - but at the time Freddie Mercury was something of a tranny chaser and was dating one of the more beautiful "girls" in Rio, it was an open secret to us gays.

PSS: I think Dan Savages' made up term "pegging" is on point. Some straight guys want their asses played with and if their girlfriends or wives are up to putting on a strap-on dildo, why not. If it feels good, and there's all around concent, then go for it.

Many straight men are into pegging. Many closet bisexual men are into trainnies. I'm very open-minded and judgmental and have had strictly platonic roommates into both. They said I was about the 1st woman with whom they could admit their desires.

Charlie Sheen is into trainnies as well. Some of the strip performers/dancers (not talking about the strip clubs, I mean the topless dancers at the production shows) are really genetically still actually male. They charge extremely high rates for dates with the rich and/or famous.

Being Trans, There are different types of men into tranz women. 1.Tranny Chasers in big cities tend to have subcultures, use prostitutes and want to bottom. Most tranz can’t stand these guys and think that they are basically fucked up gay men. 2. The kind of guy you meet maybe at a straight bar or club, and he doesn’t care because he just wants sex. These guys don’t typically mess with your business. 3. Bisexuals/pansexuals who will do anything 4. Men (str8 or gay) who develop an emotional connection with a transwoman that overrides genital issues 5. Gay men when no ones looking, lol.

#31 Hit it on the nail. They could be bisexual but most likely gay and doesn’t want to accept that fact

R54 They can call it want they want, and justify their fucking men anyway they like, but this is just men fucking other men. They may be dressed up, but just just good old fashioned homosex

I’ve posted here before about my gay friend in a longterm relationship with a crossdresser. They are both gay males and cis gender, but the one is a transvestite, aka likes dressing as a woman or wearing feminine garments, makeup and jewelry. He is the only gay man I know into this as a private form of relaxation (i guess?) and also a sexual thrill. He does not do drag, and the thrill for him is wearing the trappings, not trying to pass or look a certain way. They go to events and all the other cross dressers are straight men married to women. My friend goes along with it but is miserable. I don’t ask about their sex life.

I don’t get it.

I like fucking FTMs because you get the best of both worlds, albeit without a dick.

Caitlyn and Sophia need to conduct conferences and workshops on this topic.

dan savage claimed once that guys love dick, all guys, mainly their own. but some guys also like dick on their chick. they feel like they're fucking a girl, but with a dick.

i know, weird to me, but whatever floats your boat

R45 actually Pansexuals are people who have sex with animals and other illegal things.

People who are bisexual sometimes will have sex with people who are Trans, including FTM and MTF.

The below link is what pansexual actually means and it's used correctly. A prison psychiatric profile found Coleman, a ninth grade dropout with an IQ on the lower edge of normal, to be 'a pansexual willing to have intercourse with any object, women, men, children, whatever.'

[quote]Coleman is a pansexual willing to have intercourse with any object, women, men, children, whatever.

Does anyone have Coleman's cell# ??

Asking for a friend ..

R56, "do the sex thing"? Heh that sounds like something an Asian tranny hooker would say to a client.

R72 he's dead. Executed like the human scum he is as he was a pedophile and serial killer.

R70 since when has Dan Savage been any sort of expert on human sexuality, or anything?

Savage also claimed that bisexuality in men does not exist and that's bullshit.

He's an ex drag queen from Chicago who moved to Seattle and started an advice column in the free city paper as a joke.

Everyone in and around Seattle and other major Pacific Northwest cities has been sick and tired of him and his husband for decades.

[quote] "do the sex thing"? Heh that sounds like something an Asian tranny hooker would say to a client.

Not real flexible are you r74 ? I'm guessing you have a very narrow range of looking at things ...

R62 Heh it's not a secret that Freddie Mercury was bisexual. What was it like living in Brasil?

R75, you didn’t answer R72’s question.

R79, how can someone that's dead or an executed prisoner have a prison cell number, or mobile phone number?

Verizon has a wide selection of plans that can fit almost every budget

An Australian guy who does work for my partner was married to a woman, had a couple of kids, and had a messy divorce. He moved to Thailand, met up with a ladyboy and fell in love. They live together and he announced that, yes, she was a ladyboy on Facebook. Also said that he identifies as straight--he's in his 40s.

I've been trying to understand how the thought process works, so this thread's interesting. Thanks, DL.

R82 He is delusional

straight men love trans girls, thats the truth

I really think it's situational. I think some straight guys fuck a tranny and find the penis interesting (and maybe even erotic), but in their heads they are seeing that tranny as an unusual woman - not as a man. They aren't bi - they are kinky.

R85 Straight men who fuck men with cocks are not straight, in any universe.

They’re bisexual. Obviously...

R82, reminds me of that messy YouTuber No Joke Howard who went to Cambodia and got himself a transgender girlfriend.

many straight guys like having their cocks sucked by trans girls

[quote]Straight men who fuck men with cocks are not straight, in any universe

I respectfully disagree - I don't think above statement is correct. I think it's situational. Lots of straight men fuck guys in prison and they are still straight. If these men are viewed as bisexual it's an unusually narrow window of bisexuality that is not existent if they aren't confined

And per r85 I think some straight men fuck trannys viewing them as "kinky women" and not men. It depends how straight man views the situation: is he fucking a kinky woman ... or a faux woman ?

Man A fucked Man B. But there are circumstances other than the sex act that define if Man A is a homosexual - including how Man A perceived the situation. Semantics aside - a person can have homosexual sex and not be a homosexual.

R90 They can believe and tell themselves what they want, they are fucking other men

It's heterosexual. Only women wear skirts.

Ive sucked off many straight guys, some of them knew I was trans and some didnt

Both parties are deeply into fantasy, OP. They get to pretend to be something they aren't and each reinforces the belief of the other even if only temporarily.

It's one thing to get a blowjob from someone who's trans, it's another to set up housekeeping and an ongoing relationship, which strikes me as not-straight, no matter how you slice it, but maybe Mr. Australian does think of his partner as a kinky girl. I thought it might be that, after the divorce, he didn't want to deal with a woman-woman because, like a lot of straight guys, he doesn't get woman and a ladyboy might just be a little more straightforward in a weird way, but my partner tells me that the ladyboy has a pretty strong will of her own, so it's not an intrinsically easier relationship.

R93 = rapist

"Hopefully this does not make me a creep"

It's not that exactly, R15.

96, youre just jealous you cant get straight cock

From the amateur videos I've seen the straight guys rarely do anything with the she-male's manparts. They like to fuck the shemale anally doggystyle, which makes me think they just want a hole to cum in- a glammed-up fantasy whore.

Not too surprising, R99. Just think if your hetero wife was a Melania, Roseanne, Jeanine Pirro, Judge Judy, Laura Ingraham, or Meghan McCain -- wouldn't you wish for some "glammed-up" better hole/whore?

[quote]That's why almost 100% of these trannies never went and had the bottom surgery because if they did, they would literally starve. Being a beautiful "women" with a fake vagina would do NOTHING for their lives as hookers.

The REAL Trans Agenda.

R199, If a 100% straight man was completely turned off by his wife for whatever reason, or if his partner sexually rejected him, he could easily hire an actual woman to service him. Then again many men purposely choose to pair up with domineering, even controlling women, whom others view as real bitches. In Hollywood we often see powerful men avoiding sweet, kind, appreciate ladies.

The globalists are turnin' the boys into cuties!

R43 So you’re attracted to trans women boobs and all? How are you gay if you’re attracted to a women who has a penis and not only the penis? There’s a reason why gay men aren’t attracted to trans women.

Which famous men would make good cross dressers?

My husband, but we can't show it to red states.

Your approaching this in the wrong way.....here's someone who has all the equipment and access to all the rotic feels a "man" has and yet experiencing life as a woman is the most important thing in the world to them. That combo is difficult for cis gender woman to beat. Whether or not the transwoman has had surgery is often not important--knowledge that she still has a dick is probably not the first thing to attarct a straight man to her--it probably means or matters in different ways to different guys.

[QUOTE] cis gender

Oh dear

r108 = sad troll

R108: OP

Interesting thread - thanks !!

R108 is not the OP you idiot. It’s easy enough to prove who is who on here.

R109 = blue haired college emo with multiple piercings (and no job prospects!) who uses ugly words like cis gendered.

Getting a blowjob from a trans girl is not gay.

Giving a blowjob to a trans girl is totally gay.

R113 = ANCIENT.

Nope. 48 hot muscle daddy, attracted to men only.

r113 = very dull troll

Straight sex addicts.

Nacho vidal is straight and he fucks trans girls

r78 - my comment about Freddie Mercury wasn't about his sexuality (we ALL know what he was, RIP.) But it was in fact that he liked trannies and if rumors at the time were true the darker the better.

^ Yentil.

There’s no correlation in the literature between transsexualism and violence. Transsexuals are very passive.

Bisexuality is behavior, not just identity. And these men are behaving bisexually; they’re clearly attracted to both sexes (sorry, I reject the idea that Trans is another type of biological sex (I accept them as men, women, in-between though), and therefore I reject the idea of a pansexual orientation.

Bisexuality leads to bestiality ... and we all know what comes next.

Wtf, R124?

Heterosexuality leads to bisexuality

Homosexuality leads to bisexuality

[quote]R64 2. The kind of guy you meet maybe at a straight bar or club, and he doesn’t care because he just wants sex.

This is the type i’ve run into over the years. They like blowjobs, maybe fucking...but they’re not focused on you, more on themselves.

I just think of them as highly sexed. And kind of casual about details.

Can we please stop using the negative term that is 'cis'? Cis sounds like undergrad gender studies brainwashing bullshit.

[quote]kind of casual about details

Maybe a little to casual. Last time he came by I was missing a bunch of stuff ...

R122 Wrong, they are just as violent in or out of tranny drag, the crime rate for tranny women is the same as for men, cause they are men

Woman's point of view here. I'm not talking about a case of mistaken identity (drunk at a bar, meeting for the first time, and super horny), I'm talking about men who are specifically attracted to crossdressers, i.e., penis intact. I would say these men are not straight. R15 does make an interesting point, though, plus you wouldn't have to deal with periods/menstruation. However, I think a lot of women would agree with my point of view.

r131 - let's stop worrying about details and start trying to make each other happy. Can't we all just get along ??

its not the same meeting a hot trans girl and letting her suck your dick as looking for trans women specifically because of their genitals

[quote] Wrong, they are just as violent in or out of tranny drag, the crime rate for tranny women is the same as for men, cause they are men

Those are not real transsexuals. There are three major centers for transsexual surgery: Johns Hopkins, the University of Minnesota, and Columbus Medical Center. I wouldn’t be surprised if the violent ones had applied for sex reassignment at one or all of them and been rejected. They hate their own identity you see, and they think that makes them a transsexual.

I like young masculine guys, but I treat them like girls.

I could dig that !!

I’m glad I found this thread. A straight friend and I were discussing a mutual friend today who we know is into Asian trannies. but also has slept with a lot of white women. We were trying to work out what his preferences are. Is he closeted? Is he straight with a Asian tranny fetish? Is that even a thing? My straight friend said that he personally couldn’t go through with sex with a tranny once they dropped their pants and it turned out he had s dick and therefore our mutual friend must be gay. I said as a gay man I’d never be attracted to a man who from the waist up looks just like a woman so how can he be gay? We figure he’s bi. But it’s just weird his sex partners are either white women or Asian trannies.

[quote]We were trying to work out what his preferences are. Is he closeted? Is he straight with a Asian tranny fetish? Is that even a thing?

r138 - I think categories can be misleading. If he were my friend I would just say "he likes white woman and Asian traninies and he's somewhere on the spectrum"

But that being said, Asian trannies are amazing and I think most people would agree they are the most beautiful trannies in the world. Also, the ones I've met had small penises that were sort of delicate - so the whole package went together nicely.

I'm a gay man but I had sex with several trannies when I was in Thailand and it was amazing. I never did it before - and I've never done it since. But I can see how guys get hooked !!

[quote]R132 I'm not talking about a case of mistaken identity (drunk at a bar, meeting for the first time, and super horny)

None of the guys I ended up with were [italic]drunk[/italic]....they’d be non-functional.

r34 There are straight guys who get pegged by women because they like to get fucked, just not by men.

[quote]R139 My straight friend said that he personally couldn’t go through with sex with a tranny once they dropped their pants and it turned out he had s dick and therefore our mutual friend must be gay.

Well...you don’t have to take ALL your clothes off to have sex.

Especially in a dark alley. Or a van. Or a Singapore brothel where you just have 15 mins.

[quote]There are straight guys who get pegged by women because they like to get fucked, just not by men.

Just curious r141. Do they just want something stuck up their ass so they can have prostrate massage? Or do they want simulated fucking where a woman straps on a dildo and goes at it?

From Nacho Vidal himself: 90% of men like transgender women

R114, is it possible to change bio sex?

Show me one medical doctor who says it is.

Gay men are bio men and have sex with bio men.

Since it’s impossible to change sex, a “transgirl” is a bio male who identifies as trans.

[quote]Getting a blowjob from a trans girl is not gay.

Yes it is. A sex act between two males is GAY.

R122, literature is fiction.

History documents that Ts are indeed violent.

M2Ts are even more violent than men who don’t identify as T.

straight men love my bjs

Do they know you’re male, r147?

some of them know Ive transitioned, some dont

R139 maybe you’re right, there is no label that fits this guys sexual preferences. And like you he loves Thail trannies. I agree they are beautiful. I do wonder though why he has never dated a Thai woman when at home. Thai women are beautiful too. Isn’t that middle ground, if he’s attracted to Thai trannies but too embarrassed to date them when back home why swing all the way to white women?

The original discussion centred around if his preference is actually men, but can tell himself that’s not the case because the men he sleeps with look like women. And when back in the country dates white women as a smoke screen, because he’s afraid if he dates Thai woman he is giving too much about himself away.

But maybe be like you suggested we looked too much into it. I just hope he’s not closeted and miserable.

All this interest in who others sleep with, and why.

R33 nailed it. There exists a surprisingly larger than expected population of "straight" men (I am not going to get into the straight/bi/gay argument here) who enjoy anal stimulation and want to be fucked on occasion. The ones that I have encountered were usually married or in a serious relationship with a gf. Many of these men get fucked by gay tops and many others want a fuck buddy who essentially presents as a female that also has a dick and can fuck them in the ass. I have fucked many men of this genre and I am not feminine in the least, but I am a top. These are the guys who do not kiss, do not want to be sucked and often do not suck and they also have lots of other limits. They love getting pounded in the butt and not much else - transactional, in-and-out. They tend to be low drama, very punctual/reliable and show up on a semi-regular basis for bottoming. I would guess that this phenomenon is more common than most want to believe. I honestly do think that lots of these men mostly crave women sexually, but they need a tongue, some fingers and a dick in the butt - on the side. God love them! I sure do..

most straight trans women are bottoms, the ones who would top are a minority (remember that estrogen makes it practically useless in that regard). Im fine with sucking guys off until I have SRS and can have PIV sex without dysphoria

R153 It's bisexuality with some men liking men who present as women. Not complicated. It only gets complicated when trying to insist that such men are "straight".

Just follow their actions and not their words.

^R152

most straight men dont care that youre trans if youre feminine and passable, I know this from personal experience. Doesnt mean they will fuck you if you havent had SRS, but most would receive a BJ

It's just two people lying to each other.

...and orgasming...

And then some parting lies....

A fake number exchanged...1 digit off...

One thing that always made me laugh was guys calling in the middle of the day and asking if they could drop by....like, I’m just ALWAYS lounging around as they first met me, in 5 inch heels with full hair and makeup and nails done, sequined cocktail dress at the ready.

Good makeup takes an hour to do...and that’s before you even address everything else.

Good drag doesn’t just HAPPEN. It’s an involved routine.

A lot of the men in amateur trans porn are major studs. I’m not into trans women but jerk off to the videos Bc a lot of the guys are over the top hot.

Only straight men are attracted to trannies. They help them keep up the self delusion that they are not gay.

I guess if one’s younger, the makup can go faster. But this is with someone experienced doing it for you.

R139 so why would you have sex with them if you’re gay? Did they still look pretty much like men?

Interestingly, many supposed "straight" porn models throughout porn history who would only top in their gay scenes and straight scenes - seemed perfectly OK bottoming for T-girls. Interesting. I think that Viagra and other similar drugs changed the scene quite a bit for the trans performers; often their scene partners want to bottom.

R165 Ever tried fighting off a Thai lady boy or six?

It’s interesting that those APPALLED by trans people/trans attractions/etc. are also the most FASCINATED by it all.

[quote] maybe you’re right, there is no label that fits this guys sexual preferences.

There is a label, and many people have given it to you. The label is bisexual.

the men involved with trans women are usually straight or bisexual, gay men are the least interested

R179 agreed gay men want NOTHING to do with female clothing and femininity!

yeah, gay men are attracted to masculinity mostly

Just more absolute stupidity. Sexuality isn't simple categories and focusing only on the one with the attraction to... is just ignorant.

So lesbians can be sexually interested in trans men but it's impossible for any gay man to be interested in trans woman?

those so called lesbians are probably bisexual, trans women are usually too feminine to turn gay men on

[quote]So lesbians can be sexually interested in trans men but it's impossible for any gay man to be interested in trans woman

Yup- lots of gay guys love trans women. Many many reasons why ..

Ive never met a gay man remotely interested in trans women

What about Janet Mock's partner?

R177 Indeed, we fuck men not metals

Janet Mocks husband is straight, as is Candis Caynes partner

R180 They can say what they want, it does not change the reality they are fucking a man. Even if they have an open weeping wound now as a fake cunt, they are still fucking a MAN

wow, R181 youre probably jealous that they have a man by their side while you spew your hate, and then people here say that transphobia doesnt exist, its terrible when straight people are transphobic, but its much worse when its a bunch of faggots who should know better than that

^ You people have a coronary if someone uses the wrong pronouns, yet you feel that using the word "faggots" on a gay board is acceptable.

Im just using it as a taste of your own medicine, now Im going to say that saying "faggots" is not homophobic because homophobia doesnt exist

Then "transphobia" doesn't exist either, T R A N N Y.

[quote]I've never met a gay man remotely interested in trans women

r177 Well - I am a gay man and I enjoy being with trans women. It's been good for me.

^ Thank you, Dr. Harrop.

r187 - I guess you were referring to r186. I am not Dr. Harrop. Just to let you know I am a typical gay gay. I have known (and had sex with) a wide range of wonderful people including trans women.

R188 weird

weird for you perhaps

The hottest are TERF strippers at nudie bars that wear tit pasties with streamers, talented at twirling each in opposite direction of the other.

[quote]R181 They can say what they want, it does not change the reality they are fucking a man. Even if they have an open weeping wound now as a fake cunt, they are still fucking a MAN

Does this poster protest outside weddings with huge SIGNS?

“Homophobia doesn’t exist” = “I AM TROLLINA, HEAR ME ROAR!”

OP - Men who are attracted to other men in bad drag - There, fixed your heading

r194 = boring troll

R195 Cunt off frau

R82 is the Transwoman he's with pre-op or post op? I'm sorry but no guy who has sex with someone Trans is heterosexual, or if they are FTM-gay/homosexual/lesbian.

The fact that many Trans people do not want to admit is that people who are gay/lesbian and heterosexual simply do not want to have sex with them or date them. There's nothing wrong with this. I guess the T's are so desperate to be in a relationship or find sex partners that they want to force people who are not sexually attracted to them at all or who are not interested in a relationship with someone who they are not attracted to, to be in a relationship and completely lie about being attracted to someone Trans.

I know bisexual men, and women who have had sex and dated Trans people but someone that's gay/lesbian/hetero would have zero interest in dating/sleeping with someone Trans.

R197, who are you to dictate someones sexual orientation? You should tell that to the straight guys I give bjs to

R153, you will never experience PIV sex. You don’t have a vagina & you never will.

R199, yes I will experience and yes I will have one, Im not poor

My God, what sexually ignorant and unimaginative people.

Met a pansexual hunk through my CL ad ("mature crossdresser"). Pursued me for 2 years before finally meeting. He was visually interested in me but didn't really relate physically/sexually to me as an "older woman". He confessed that he really wanted to be a submissive bottom and would wear panties to work; he wanted his "pussy" aroused, fingered and fucked, which I was happy to do. His main relationships were with women. Very complex, decadent and interesting individual.

R198, if you are a man, they're not heterosexual/straight at all, they are bi or gay and in complete denial.

If you are Trans, good luck and keep in mind that no actual hetero/straight guy wants to be with a Transwoman and that many when they find out a woman is trans but never told them, beat her up or kill her.

Guns don’t kill people. Labels kill people.

Lol, thank you R201.

This thread is a TRIP.

R204, even if you're part of the "no labels" crowd, unless you are asexual you have a sexual orientation and no guy that's actually hetero/straight is going to fuck a Trans person.

R206, youre so ignorant omg. most straight guys dont care that Im trans once I tell them, I still suck them off. Stop being so bitter and hateful

LMAO whatever helps you sleep at night R207, so you like to get with in denial bisexual guys, big deal. You're just one of many hetero worshipers here on DL.

R208, youre a jealous and bitter queen, your ignorance is showing dear

R186 I'm confused were these actual trans women tits and all or just crossdressers? Because if you could fuck a trans women could you also fuck cis women? If so then your not gay.

I've been cd'ing for a long time. No desire to transition. Just like to assume a female persona in a theatrical sense. Lots of married admirers; some want to wear panties and heels; some want to get fucked. Most are first-times. One or two novices freaked out in my apartment and scared the shit out of me; others cancelled at the last moment and never showed up. They don't think of themselves as gay; mainly bi, I guess, but I never press them on identity issues. Some insist on a wig and don't want to see any male part of me. After cuming, many get embarrassed and get dressed in total silence.

R211 I'd be embarrassed too if in order to have sex with a man I had to put on women's clothing, makeup, a wig, etc.

Actually R207 most hetero/straight guys-or men who actually are hetero/straight do care about having sex with someone Trans and don't want to, and it's so bad that a lot of Transwomen I know only get with out bisexual men, since they've had really bad experiences with in denial "straight"/hetero identifying men even when they told them how they are Trans. There are also quite a number of Transwomen who have been murdered by hetero men who became very angry after they had sex with them and learned they were Trans. Be careful and stay safe.

R200, an inverted penis is not a vagina regardless of expense.

And remember: there’s no such thing as a risk-free surgery. You are literally risking your life...for nothing but cosmetic surgery. No straight man will ever fuck your stinky stomach hole.

No r204...misogynist & homophobic men kill people. Has nothing to do with labels or gender identity.

R213, many straight men will, even if you dont like it bitch. And every surgery has risks, but this particular surgery has very low life risks.

R212, I mean, of course many straight guys will care that youre trans, but many wont. You just have to find the right guy. When Ive told guys Im trans, some have blocked me, some have politely rejected me and some have told me they are still interested in me. I usually go out with and give BJs to the latter, I never ask them to fuck me and I dont think they would either way as I havent had SRS surgery yet. With that said, I usually disclose after talking a bit with the guy, and after some conversations that let me know if he is a mysoginist or a homophobe/transphobe, if I sense he is either I cut off all contact with him for my own safety.

Amazing how many men will have sex if a man is dressed as a woman who wouldn’t dare have sex with a man dressed as a man. There is definitely a social contstruct/masculinity issue underlying some of the trans interest.

R217, I think most people have sex in a state of undress...

Well sure, if you’re breaking out the candles and wine and everything.

It's hard to believe that there even are such people!

R215 no the surgery for a sex change is not low risk. Also they can call themselves hetero/straight all they want but actual hetero/straight guys are not attracted to Trans women or cross dressers, shemales, etc.

Men are just penises wandering around looking for a hole. They won't turn down any opportunity (they think) they can get away with.

Trannies always glam it up, so the dumb guys think they are getting the fantasy promised to them but never delivered by their frowsy wives.

[quote]r222 Trannies always glam it up, so the dumb guys think they are getting the fantasy promised to them but never delivered by their frowsy wives.

And orally, they are.

R221, are you a sexologist or something? If a trans woman is hot and feminine you dont think many straight guys would fuck her, you sound jealous and ignorant

Tf & Tf is fabulous. Caitlyn & Sophia are the famous ones. It's the new lesbianism that's particularly satisfying.

The right term. is (Totally-Sexual),

Its like this, I have 2 girlfriends that I have sex with as many times a week as possible, but then I also am a cross dresser who only has sex with black men when I dress up , as many times a week as possible too. So I am attracted to both women & (black) men, which I'm totally Dominate with women but submissive with (black )men.