Love, Simon - Thread 2

I loved the movie! The story plays out like a mystery, replete with false leads, misread signals and other red herrings, as Simon tries to identify Blue. Could Blue be a woman, I thought. It reminded me of one Perry Mason episode where a prime suspect is discredited, or is he/she? It was fascinating, touching, euphoric. Well-cast, with family members that look related (brown hair, brown eyes). I've seen it twice!

It just needs to make 10 more million to recuperate it's cost. Mary! It should be close !

I imagine FOX is the distributor world wide., right? Or is it one of those cases where it sold the distribution rights to other companies in other markets.

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Can we continue the conversation about Nick's body and nipples?

This article says Love, Simon made $1.4 million this weekend in Australia where it opened in 4th place (also Fox at the very least is distributing it there).

R4, there are a couple of scenes early in the movie, one at school and one at home in his bedroom, where his jeans perfectly frame his otherwise flat ass, making it look rounder and fuller than it actually is. The wardrobe department earned their pay for the entire movie when they clothed him in those jeans.

R5 Wonder if Nick auditioned for Ready Player One.

R6 Yup... And the skip at the end.

R2 It's at 31 million domestic box office, rule of thumb is that a film needs to make twice it's production at the box office to break even. The rumored budget for Simon was $17 million. I needs to make a minimum of $34 and it will likely be passed that by the end of the week, so the film is in good shape.

I just watched it today and totally enjoyed it. It’s a cute, entertaining and endearing film. Much better than I’d expected even tho it’s no where near CMBYN on the artistic & sophisticated level. I strongly recommend it. Support our community!!!

Nick Robinson is great. Love him. ❤️❤️

WAY better than CMBYN, which was tepid, dull, and listless.

What I like about Love, Simon was that it's one of the few LGBT films that I've watched in the past while where I left the theater feeling happy and uplifted.

CMBYN is about sexually fluid bros. Love Simon is about a gay boy. Apples and oranges in multiple ways.

Exactly, R12. Exactly.

Loved the film. Very uplifting and endearing. Questions tho as I’m too old to think:

1) kids nowadays can fall in love via emails? 2) to whom he is actually attracted?

[quote]Elsewhere in the top ten, both Sherlock Gnomes and Love, Simon, held on well in their second and third weekends respectively. Sherlock Gnomes held on better than expected after a soft debut last weekend, delivering an estimated $7 million weekend, pushing the film's cume to $22.8 million while Love, Simon dropped 37% in its third weekend, finishing with $4.8 million for a domestic cume just over $32 million.

Estimates have it now topping $32m after the holiday weekend. There are four new wide releases next weekend so I expect it to start winding down its run within the next week. It already lost over 400 theaters since last weekend.

Go see n support the movie. It’s a lovely film and deserves the support from the LGBT community.

R16 A 400 theater drop in a film's third weekend is actually a pretty good drop. Most films start to drop theaters after its second weekend. Out of the four films coming out next weekend, only two are wide releases (Blockers and A Quiet Place). Love, Simon will likely drop in markets where it's doing moderate business but stay in the big city markets I wold imagine for at least another two to three weekends. The film will likely drop to 9th place next weekend.

It was sweet. I wish I hadn't known going in who Blue was (thanks, DL spoiler queens.)

I Love Simon!

That's right, R19. This is R1. I found the Blue reveal a revelation. I had no idea it was this person - a fun, absorbing mystery journey.

I knew who Blue was going in because I had read the book, but I felt the movie did a really good job at keeping people guessing.

The fraus at work LOVE this movie.

I pretty hopeful Simon will do good international box office. Call Me By Your Name's international box office is now higher than its domestic.

R16 Simon will continue in the major markets for the next few weeks at least. I estimate a total box office of around $45 million domestic.

The eighth graders at my daughter's middle school love this movie. And so did The eighth graders at my daughter's middle school love this movie. And so did I.

[quote]The eighth graders at my daughter's middle school love this movie. And so did The eighth graders at my daughter's middle school love this movie.

That's all well and good, r26; but what did the eighth graders at your daughter's middle school think of this movie?

I really need to see this! I have to take a floater day at work this week, maybe I'll go and see an afternoon show.

I have to wait until June to see it. I fucking hate living in Norway.

My husband and I, (in our 50's) felt the same way. We wished there were movies like this when we were teenagers. Hell, you'd be afraid to even go to a movie like this 25 years ago. I thought it was a nice film, though cheesy in some parts. I'm glad that it is being well-received.

[quote]It's at 31 million domestic box office, rule of thumb is that a film needs to make twice it's production at the box office to break even

It's 2.5 times the production budget, not 2x.

17 x 2.5 = [bold]42.5 million[/bold]. Love, Simon needs 42.5 to break even.

R31 It will likely hit that just from its domestic box office alone.

[quote]Hell, you'd be afraid to even go to a movie like this 25 years ago.

Then you were a pussy 25 years ago.

R33 - I didn't say I wouldn't go to a movie like this. I said you'd be afraid to. I marched on Washington 3 times in the 80's and 90's for gay rights, got knocked unconscious by a rock to the head just for walking down the street and lost 75% of my friends in the 80's to AIDS. You should keep your mouth shut before you hurl ignorant insults.

Sorry about the rock to your head, r34. I had something like that happen to me in Greenwich Village just for walking down the street in 1976, but it didn't make me afraid to go to movies like Making Love in 1982 or Longtime Companion in 1989. I'm not going to get into an AIDS/March bonafides competition with you, though.

The whole thing was scrumptious I could eat it

It’s a gay movie for people who are not actually comfortable with the idea of gay sex.

It's a movie by a gay wealthy white liberal about how great wealthy white liberals are to their gays among them.

When his sister suggests he deny it, He replies “why should I, I’m not ashamed of it.”

Progress, people.

Script is excellent: another example - when Simon tells his friend Abby in the car that he's gay, she says "Oh." Then she says "I Love You." Not "I love you, anyway," or "I love you In spite of that." No qualifiers.

Settle down Marys !!! Love, Simon is a romantic comedy for tweens. It's doing well for what it is.

I remember when In and Out came out in the late 90s, with a budget of $35 million dollars, and everyone thought gay films would go mainstream from then on. But then came the Bush years and it seemed like the momentum took a pause.

In retrospect those 8 years of the Bush presidency took a toll on the gay community. Had Gore won and gay rights would have gone mainstream a bit earlier, I don't think the Homophobia caused by the Trans brigade would have caused such damage to the gay community. We would still be saying the word "[bold]gay[/bold] and the Trans community would have had their own separate movement.

Love, Simon doing well is bittersweet.

The weekend actuals are out and Love, Simon made slightly less than estimated. The film came in with $4,767,488 and ended up in 9th just narrowly behind Tomb Raider (7) and A Wrinkle in Time (8th).

Ugh. It was supposed to do 5 million on Easter weekend. It's going to be crawling to those last 10+ millions.

Love love this heartfelt and uplifting movie. I pray they will make more movies like CMBYN and Love Simon in the future. This generation is so lucky.

One small complaint tho. In the beginning when he said “I’m just like you”, I literally rolled my eyes. Sorry love, I’m not just like you. I wasn’t born in a wealthy family. I’m not white, good looking and popular like you. I had to work thru high school to earn money to support my very poor family. No I’m totally not like you, except I have one huge-ass secret: nobody knew I'm gay.

It would have been better if Simon got butt fucked by the soccer team.

R45 please no trash talk. No trash talk or trashy people here please

There was a bukkake scene in the preview I saw in L.A., r45. I haven't heard anything about it in this thread, so I assume that the scene was cut from the wide release.

R47 Yes! They also cut the scene were Josh Duhamel fucks Nick bareback

The idea that a movie, specially from a studio needs 2.5 x to break even is false and pure PR fabrication.

I work in development and can assure you this is not the case. No studio movie loses money and it won't be different with this piece. Only independent films lose money.

Whenever you read that a movie was a flop it only means the projections of profit weren't met and they're usually as out of the loop as the fabricanted budget the PR team decides to create for a movie.

Most budgets are way lower than advertised, and its sole purpose is to launder money and inflate their market value.

Well if you're interested about that John August breaks down the mathematics at his podcast I think the episode is called How movies make money, though he doesn't address the money laundering part. That's what we at development have to come up with to justify spending.

It's a great John Hughes type of film with a gay protagonist. It's perfect. Not all movies need to have sex, go watch porn and grow the fuck up.

R48 Hope they saved that footage for the Blu-ray!

This movie drops each week, it's not going to be some sleeper like The Greatest Showman and Jumanji, which were still top ten weeks later. Long after even Star wars had come and gone.

I think this movie absolutely does need to make at least twice it's budget. That figure includes advertising/promotion. Some films are promoted more than others, and this one was promoted heavily. As discussed in the other thread, studios can't rely on video sales/rentals as much as they have in the past.

[quolte]The idea that a movie, specially from a studio needs 2.5 x to break even is false and pure PR fabrication.

You do know that promotion of a film is not free, right? The first two weeks the studio takes the bigest % out of the Box office sales, after that the theater's % take keeps increasing.

x2.5 is about right.

R52 pretty much every film drops weekend to weekend. Anything below 40% is considered a healthy drop and Simon has been averaging about 36%. The film's word of mouth has managed to keep it from big drops.

Sadly it appears the film will drop out of the top 10 this weekend. That doesn't mean it's in bad shape but it's a crowded market. Tomb Raider, A Wrinkle and Time and Love, Simon roughly did the same business this weekend with Simon only falling behind by tens of thousands which in box office is like pocket change. Simon out performed both films on Friday and was narrowly beaten by Tomb Raider on Saturday by about $30K. It was Sunday's business that cost Simon 7th place as Simon under performed the original estimates maybe people didn't want to see "the gay movie" on Easter Sunday?

Once Simon is out of the top 10 the theaters outside of major markets will drop the film at a faster rate. I still expect it to make more than $40k domestically and it's slow international release schedule means we won't know the final numbers until later in the summer.

I actually think Fox should have released the film earlier in February when the market was less saturated with big blockbusters. February 2 only had Winchester as the major release and that tanked and February 9 had had Fifty Shades and Peter Rabbit which again not really going after the same audience.

R84 I agree that the number of big blockbusters out in March has dipped into Love, Simon's box office somewhat. Certainly if you look at the neck and neck box office of Tomb Raider, A Wrinkle in Time and Love, Simon, it's clear they're battling for the same market share.

I think a February 2 release would have been better for Love, Simon as it could have capitalized on Valentine's Day. That being said the reason that didn't happen was because Fox released Maze Runner on January 26 which was targeting the same young adult market as Love, Simon so they likely would have felt they were competing with themselves. Ironically Maze Runner tanked at the domestic box office give its budget (although it did good internationally) and in the long run Simon will be the more profitable film for them.

His skip is adorable!

I have tomorrow afternoon off of work and I think I might go see a matinee of Love, Simon.

You absolutely should go see it, R57. The film is exceptionally charming and entertaining. Plus, you will exit the cinema with a smile on your face unlike many other LGBT films which leave you depressed or angry once the credits roll. Bring a tissue or two as you might/will get a bit emotional during the last half of it.

R44 He was saying "I'm just like you" to Blue in an e-mail. Not to you/the rest of the world.

R17 that is why me and the bf went to it. Movie was good but we were the only 2 gay men there and there was maybe 10 of us in the entire theater. Since we are atheists we went to this movie on Sunday. Several people have asked me what I did over the weekend and when I said we went to see Love Simon, they ask what’s that? and look very depressed that we did not spend the day eating. Oh well.

Monday estimates are in and Simon took in $776K coming in at 8th beating out Tomb Raider. Wrinkle and Simon seem to battling it out for the same market.

R59 you should watch the movie again. He did say that in the beginning of the movie. He said the same thing in the email sent to Blue but at a later time.

R59 the point was that the entire narrated intro of the movie WAS the e-mail to Blue, just read out loud. Obviously that went over your head

oop that was for R63

oh shit, R62, y'all know what I meant. lol

You are a loose cannon, r65/r64/r63!

Spoiler alert! I saw Love, Simon, and the ending was a big let down. The mystery of who Blue was - out of all the candidates they chose the PC minority member, the black guy, which actually detracted from the gay theme.

There was quite a few black characters in the movie which hijacked the gay theme. Hollywood only recognizes the one minority, blacks, but pretty much disregards all the others. They should have been single minded and catered completely to the gay theme.

When I see black oriented movies I certainly don't see gay characters all over the place. Give US our own special movie!

I loved the golden shower scene

R67 -20/10

FF r67

R67, Blue was black in the novel. (Maybe Biracial? He was also Jewish...)

well, it sure beat the ending to The Children's Hour

I just recently found out the same writers for This is Us wrote the Screenplay. Could be why I didn't like this movie all that much.

NPR’s Pop Culture Happy Hour covered it on their podcast this week. It was a good discussion.

Can you imagine how sad r67's life is? Going through the world triggered(!!!) every time he sees someone who isn't white. Non-white people exist, and are normal people, and there are actually a lot of nonwhite people in Atlanta.

And yes, Bram/Blue was the same race in the novel. So take it up with the author for ruining your Aryan vision.

Early estimate for Tuesday has Simon making $747K and placing 9th behind Wrinkle and Tomb Raider. That's slightly lower than Monday. Tuesday's ticket sales were lower than usual across the board, but coming off a long weekend perhaps fewer people went to cheaper Tuesday showings. The good news is by tonight the film will have brought in twice it's production budget from domestic returns alone.

It's leaving my local five-screener this Thursday even though it seems to be doing well.

[quote]I have tomorrow afternoon off of work and I think I might go see a matinee of Love, Simon.

It’s a lovely film, you won’t regret it.

Love, Simon is today’s Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner.

[quote]Love, Simon is today’s Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner.

[quote]Love, Simon is today’s Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner.

Only without the 10 Oscar nominations and two wins...

But I do see what you mean, it's an on-screen love story that really hasn't been seen before.

Early box office projection for the weekend, have Love, Simon doing about $3 to $3.5 million but falling out of the top 10.

Simon officially broke $34 million domestically which is twice its estimated production budget of $17 million. Also as of April 3, the film made just over $2 million in foreign box office having opened in New Zealand and Australia and opens in the UK today.

It has now passed Nick Robinson's Everything Everything which was at $29,765,733 after 20 days and ended with $34,121,140. Everything Everything was cheaper (10m) but it got the same exposure in theaters (opening weekend in 2,800 locations)

R67 you do know some black people are gay too and vice versa. Being gay is not relegated to white people.

I dont get it, when white gay people say we want civil rights like the blacks. Black and gay are not mutually exclusive communities, THERE ARE BLACK GAY PEOPLE who also fight for gay rights as well as black rights.

This is why they hate YOU, racists, self-involved bratish pieces of shits.

Ugh!!!

TL;DR: GAYS ARE NOT EXCLUSIVELY WHITE, ARSEHOLES!!!

Love, Simon will drop out of the top 10 this weekend. The estimates are about $2.5 million and placing at 13.

R86 Also Simon dropped 560 theaters today and will now play in a total of 1,464 theaters.

It should be in low 37m by end of weekend. Should be enough to go over 40m at the end of the run.

I would expect between 1.2m and 1.6m Monday-Thursday next week (300/400.000 daily) before another drop in number of theaters

R88 Yes it will push just over the $40 million domestically when all is said and done. I'm curious to see how it does internationally.

The movie might not have been a smash hit like some people hoped, but importantly it had a successful domestic box office run. It didn't bomb, that would have been bad.

They should put that on the international posters.

[quote]IT DIDN'T BOMB!!!

R89 LGBT films tend to make more internationally than domestically. One interesting thing about Simon's box office, apparently something like 20% of the domestic box office was generated in Canada (Canadian box office is counted as domestic box office). That's unusually high because Canadian ticket sales usually average to about 5% of domestic box office totals.

The Canadian box office was so high because Shawn Mendes kept going to see it.

In Singapore they have have banned Simon to under 21 years old. That's because it is not explicit, otherwise it should have been totally barred as movies should not "promote or justify a homosexual lifestyle"

Is "Love, Simon" Femmephobic? The film stands accused of privileging the "right type of gay" at the expense of the effeminate and gender-nonconforming:

Stupid question

Why are you posting a link to that homophobic rag called The Advocate?

They were instrumental in spreading the anti-gay movement that accompanied the Trans brigade.

It really is going to be crawling to 42.5 Million (the magic number).

I have faith in you America.

I loved it. I thought it was much better than CMBYN, which was beautiful but boring. And I love that it’s set up as a mystery story of sorts.

Simon slightly under performed expectations Friday, and brought in an estimated $875,000 it's likely the film will take somewhere around $2 million this weekend. In order to hit the original estimates of $2.5 to 3 million it needed to bring in around $1 million on Friday.

R98 the 42.5 million it needs includes international box office so it will have no problem getting there (it's already pushing $40 million when international box office is included). The film has doubled it's estimated production budget from domestic alone so we're all good.

As of this morning, the film's domestic stands at $35.6 million and my conservative estimate is that it will be hovering around the $37 after Sunday's numbers are in. I suspect the film will be hovering around the $40 million mark by Thursday night. Problem is Simon is only playing at 1464 theaters this week and now that it's out of the top 10, it's going to drop a lot of theaters next Friday. Next weekend it will likely only remain in the large city markets only. So if you want to see the film, this weekend or week is a good time to see it!

I'm very curious to see how Love, Simon does internationally. Looking at other LGBT films like Carol, Moonlight and CMBYN, they all drew higher international box office than domestic. Carol made $12.7 million domestically, but $27.5 million internationally; Moonlight $27 million domestically, $37 million internationally; CMBYN $18 million domestic (as of Friday) and $20 million internationally (as of Friday).

One final thing. Simon is doing fine box office and here's something to think about. While some are arguing the fact that it is an LGBT centered film is why it's not perhaps breaking out as much as they'd like, it may have more to do with the fact it's target market is teenagers. Teenage films have been struggling at the box office for several years now. The 16 to 21 crowd don't go to the movies in as large of numbers anymore. Most teenage rom-coms have struggled to pass the $35 million mark at the box office.

I agree with your final point, r100. A key takeaway for the industry is that films with minority leads/characters (LGBT, PoC) are now likely to outperform others in the teenage demo.

That bodes well for new gay media that young people will enjoy, and that’s a very good thing. I, for one, would’ve loved a shiny film like this when I was in high school. It would’ve made me feel less alone.

>>The film has doubled it's estimated production budge

I don't know whether to trust a post that uses "it's" when it should have used "its"

R102 and I don't know if trust replies that don't copy and paste correctly. There should be a 't' in budget.

While Love, Simon is movie about a teenager, adult audiences are reacting as strongly, perhaps even more so, than teenage audiences. Maybe there was a missed marketing opportunity there.

There have been some great LGBT+ films released during the past few years so I'm wondering if Simon will be one of those films that enjoys a long life on the gay film festival circuit. It certainly is going to have its share of marathons on the Freeform (former Disney) channel thanks to the young female teen audiences who adore the film.

I'm in my 50s and found it powerfully affecting. The scene with the dad... god I wish I could have had that moment with my dad. But my dad isn't emotional. Supportive, he loves me, but it's not a topic that's ever really discussed. I'm luckier than a lot, but man, that scene had me almost breaking down in the theater. Especially since I always have to help my dad with computer stuff, which he just does NOT 'get'.

It's a teen rom-com sure. But it's so much more than that.

It's not perfect, no. But it's damn good.

I've asked everyone that follows me on twitter and facebook to go see it. I have no idea if any of them did. But I felt I had to ask... and I never 'shill' for anything on my pages.

God's Own Country's official Twitter is promoting Love Simon which just opened in the UK!!!

Early estimates for this weekend's box office is $2.77 million.

I saw this on Friday. I enjoyed it and I loved some of the fantasy scenes like the straight kids coming out and that brief musical part.

I kind of want to read the book now.

Those were fantasy scenes?

[quote]It has now passed Nick Robinson's Everything Everything which was at $29,765,733 after 20 days and ended with $34,121,140. Everything Everything was cheaper (10m) but it got the same exposure in theaters (opening weekend in 2,800 locations)

I saw that movie on HBO the other day. It wasn't completely awful, but I could see why it flopped at the box office. It was based on the worst YA novels out there.

R110 Not just Everything Everything but in general movies geared towards YA have increasingly struggled at the box office. The 16 to 24 crowd just isn't coming out the movies in as large numbers, but they are the largest consumers of digital content.

The good news is Love, Simon is now officially the best performing YA movie in 4 years.

[quote]The 16 to 24 crowd just isn't coming out the movies in as large numbers

Is there proof of this? I'd imagine that crowd is going to see the comic book movies and other popular blockbusters. They probably just aren't interested in the teen films that Hollywood has been churning out.

R112 Google it! There have been a ton of articles discussing this topic over the past 5 years or so.

While I loved Love, Simon, this article raises some valid points about queer representation in film.

R114, it had a hot young white bottom! Who could ask for anything more?

$43M in per Boxofficemojo on a $17M budget (and it is still in theaters and still has DVD/cable/streaming to go). Not a blockbuster by any means, but it will have a reasonable ROI. Good for them.

Not nearly as good as CMBYN interestingly, but that is due to CMBYN's unbelievably (and I do doubt Wiki's data) low budget.

From Deadline

"With a staggered release pattern, Fox’s teen romance blossomed to $3.2M in five markets this session. The UK and Brazil had good openings, both at No. 4 with $1.6M and $808K, respectively. Holds from Australia (-23%) and New Zealand (-17%) were strong. The early international cume is $5.4M with 10 more markets releasing in Latin America next weekend."

What about the Asian markets? How will it do there?

According to Box Office Mojo, Love, Simon is the highest grossing LGBT film since 2014's Imitation Game.

Yes, R100 saw that it finally crossed the 42.5 mark when adding the international numbers. <3 It's currently at 37.5mil in the US. I think it will safely net 40mil by the end of its run domestically. A success through and through.

R119, I am Asian and I have watched this movie 3 times in the theatre. I know an Asian international student who is gay as well has watched 5 times. I believe this film gonna have a good performance in Asian market of the govs don't ban it opening there. Countries like china , Malaysia , Singapore , Indonesia might ban this movie , however the movie still can do well in Taiwan , Korea , Hongkong and Japan . Omg , I love this movie so much .

The main Euro markets apart from UK will release it at the of June (Germany, France, Spain) with Italy waiting until the end of August.

No official release date for Asian yet.

R122 Singapore let it out with a restriction to over 21 years old. I suppose it may not get many theaters willing to show it though

4 May 2018 is the release date for Taiwan, Singapore and Vietnam

9 May for Philippines

10 May 2018 for Hong Kong

11 May for Cambodia

Japan is not listed on imdb.

China may ban it as R122 said. Call Me By Your Name was supposed to be shown at Beijing Film Festival this month but it was removed in March when it didn't go through the government scrutiny. Simon is more vanilla, they may not notice it.

R124, thanks for the information . I keep monitoring the movie's box office for couple weeks . So Glad it becomes the highest profited YA movie in 4 years. I really wish the movie would pass the 100million threshold .

this has been an interesting discussion, because I think the success of the film in the country correlates with how liberal their laws are. So it overperforms in Canada, where gay marriage was legalized 13 years ago. I personally dislike the LGBTQ cinema shouting - it's just a teen flick. the end. i'd like to see it do well intl'y so it should be fine in Europe but in lots of Asia there may be a problem.

having said all this, i'm in the 16-24 crowd and i have not seen the movie

R121 It will go beyond $40 million domestically and probably push around $45 million when all is said and done. It should be hovering around $40 million domestically by Thursday. This weekend it will drop from its wide release and likely only continue playing in the markets where it is doing the best (major cities). It will be a slow crawl going forward. CMBYN is still playing in 50 theaters and just limped past $18 million domestically this weekend.

Omg this thread is so boring now. Let's discuss Simon and Blue's first fuck. Do they experiment with flip flopping? Introduce a cute third from another school? Do their parents allow sleep overs or do they have to do it in the back seats of cars or?

R128 I hope Simon was the bottom, taking the big black cock like a pro.

While Simon would undoubtedly have been the bottom if he had hooked up with the landscaper seen at the beginning of the movie, he would likely be the top in a relationship with Blue.. I suppose they could be vers; but there was nothing to suggest Blue was a top. Then again, Simon seemed hungry for dick given how he kept jumping to conclusions about Blue’s identity. The book almost answers the question as Simon and Blue share some private time in Simon’s bedroom and Simon gets hard. A pending arrival home by Simon’s parents interrupted them, though.

I suspect there’s fan fiction of all variations that will address the subject for you, R128 and R129.

R130, Simon is definitely a thirsty bottom, no matter who he’s with.

How far does male-male intimacy go in the film? I assume there's at least a kiss between Simon and another boy, but how long does it last and how hot is it?

It isn't "hot" r132. This is a "family-friendly" film.

There is a kiss at the end between Simon and Blue, no tongue.

R132 There are two male-male kisses and one almost male-male kiss. The two kisses are tender kisses not tonsil hockey. In one scene Simon fantasizes about kissing a classmate under mistletoe at Christmas eve dinner but he is snapped back to reality before they can kiss.

The initimacy in the film is limited to a few kisses at the very end, with Simon being the aggressor/initiator. The film is PG-13 in the US. Apart from a single “fuck” and a couple of other profanities, the film could have been rated PG. I suppose the teen drinking and the Grindr joke may have kept it from being PG.

R131 Simon's cute little butt was made for taking it hard.

R130 The novel has a bit more of sexual edge than the film. The novel has Simon getting hard with blue and he also jerks off reading an email from Blue.

R132

the kiss at the end

R137 You could post a spoiler warning for people who haven't seen the film...particularly international posters.

I agree about spoilers but if you haven't seen a movie never enter a DL thread about said movie. While on this topic, I'm pissed at the Walking Dead thread that gives away a major death in the OPs first sentence, like damn I can't avoid it even when I try.

I doubt they would fuck much at all. I see those two trying it out a few times both as a top and bottom but settling for blow jobs till graduation. Simon will get his back blown out Freshman year at UCLA.

R139 Yeah, it's Bye bye Blue when Simon's off to college.

I apologize. I thought the image that would have appeared on screen before clicking on the video was the first shot when the other guy was not yet visible

When I saw this the second time (support the community) I was annoyed when he claimed his love for Blue before meeting the guy. I assume there are a lot of other messages between the two that were written into the book but missing from the movie (which kept a great pace). But love gets thrown around too much for my taste.

I was hoping our Waffle House prince was going to be blue or at least gay and in a relationship.

Saw it yesterday. Cried like a bitoch in several places.

Solid film, but very important.

The scene where Simon is having a fantasy, and the kiss gets cut off reminded me:

Sometime around 1995, Melrose Place was going to have the first gay kiss. The gay character, who's name escapes me, was little seen on the show, not given much to do. The kiss was touted for weeks before it happened.

My friend had a group of his gay friends to his place in Benedict Canyon. Big screen TV, the works. Unbeknownst to us, earlier in the day, Rupert Murdoch (and the order DID come from him) got cold feet, and ordered the kiss out. So the kiss is about to happen, and then gets quickly cut away. We didn't see it. The gays there made jokes about it, and we weren't too fazed, but remembering back, that is a pretty fucking painful moment.

So when Simon, in a Fox movie, finally gives a full on kiss to Blue, I cried me eyes out.

I know, MARY! But fuck, the shit I went through in grade school, and junior high because I wasn't like other boys. And the rest of my life. This movie carried weight, and I'm so glad its out there.

My dumb friend just for spite said he didn’t want to watch this ‘kiddie’ movie.

I have a friend who's shrink. And gay. He wouldn't see it with me. He said that he thought it would upset him too much that he "missed out" on that experience growing up. Same reason he declined to see CMBYN.

For a psychiatrist, I thought that was a very strange position to take. My life wasn't like either of these movies, but I enjoyed them nevertheless. I understand that many people have enjoyed "better" gay experiences than I. But, I mean, I've done cool things that weren't in these movies that I hold dear. Why would you begrudge anyone their experiences?

Psychiatrists are nuts.

Australian box office

Weekend 2

#5 (down from #4 last weekend) $702,456 (-23.4%).

Total so far: $2,693,918 t

Number of screens: 225 (+7). 9th movie in terms of number of theaters

In teams of average per theater it is #5 among the movies in the top 10

New Zealand week 2

#5 (+2 compared last weekdn) $73,956 (-22.1) for a $292,907 total

It is out in 50 screens, same as last week. 9 movies have more screens than Simon

[quote]When I saw this the second time (support the community) I was annoyed when he claimed his love for Blue before meeting the guy. I assume there are a lot of other messages between the two that were written into the book but missing from the movie (which kept a great pace). But love gets thrown around too much for my taste.

Yeah, that Simon and Blue were supposed in love with each other because they exchanged some nice emails seemed force.

I also thought it was cheesy we are supposed to believe it didn't even matter what Blue looked like. How about someone not attractive show up to say they are Blue, wouldn't have been the same happy ending!

Yeah, what if blue had been one of the guys in the Game of Thrones tee shirts.

Those homely misfits have feelings, too... and stories to tell.

R148 must not watch very many romantic comedy movies. They all have happy endings with a very rare exception or two. You must also have snoozed through the personal growth and bonding they experienced as a result of their emails. Both of them inspired the other to come out to people in their lives. Plus, they are both horny, impressionable, gay teens. It doesn't take much to fall in love at that age.

[quote]must not watch very many romantic comedy movies. They all have happy endings with a very rare exception or two.

You miss my point. Could it have still had a happy ending if Blue wasn't conventionally attractive? If Blue wasn't good-looking, popular, masculine guy?

What if some overweight guy showed up and Simon was like "I loved you for you, not what you looked like" and they still had the big kiss? That would have been a ballsier ending. And maybe even an important statement against the shallowness of gay culture.

[quote]I also thought it was cheesy we are supposed to believe it didn't even matter what Blue looked like. How about someone not attractive show up to say they are Blue, wouldn't have been the same happy ending!

As all gays who meet people online know, it’s all too likely Simon would meet Blue and realize he’d largely been inventing someone in his head.

[quote]What if some overweight guy showed up and Simon was like "I loved you for you, not what you looked like" and they still had the big kiss? That would have been a ballsier ending. And maybe even an important statement against the shallowness of gay culture

That would have been even less realistic than the ending they had....

[quote]As all gays who meet people online know, it’s all too likely Simon would meet Blue and realize he’d largely been inventing someone in his head.

So. Damn. True.

This is a movie where the lead gets a car for Christmas. Clearly, it's a fantasy.

It's an old station wagon, for petes sake...

When Simon goes to College he finds the love of his life......

It was great to see Josh Duhamel back in a hit movie again.

And at age 45 he played a father in this film.

He played the father? I thought he was playing a love interest.

R148 that's how you can tell a woman wrote this, not a gay man.

I didn't think Blue was all that masculine. He had gayvoice. He wasn't the best looking of the "suspects" in my opinion. Usually in these teen films they get the hot guy/girl.

R160 Yes, the actor is also a bit femme, even though he could butch it up for his role as Wally West/Kid Flash.

People keep saying it's like a John Hughes film, but the kids in this movie have such perfect lives. Weren't the rich kids always the losers in Hughes movies? Apart from Ferris. And that other one.

R159 There is reportedly a cut scene in which Duhamel bends Nick Robinson over and sees what he's got to offer Blue in the mussy department.

That is gross r163, Duhamel plays the dad! They did cut the scene where Simon gets propositioned by that Chris Brown looking bully, Spencer, for a blow job. "I heard you like that caramel meat!"

Don't forget the other deleted scene in which Joey Pollari gives Simon a breakfast sausage that is not on the Waffle House's menu.

Despite the jokes above, Colton Haynes filmed some scenes for the movie which were cut. The scenes involved Nick taking Simon to a gay bar, much like in the book where Abby and Nick take Simon to a gay bar and a twenty something guy buys Simon drinks. Haynes obviously plays the guy befriending Simon. Expect the scenes to make an appearance on the blu ray extras.

r166 glad it was cut, no good can come from a scene of an adult buying a minor alcohol. Bad optics, maybe something they can do in a sequel.

LOVE SEMEN

COMING SOON!

R168 LOL! That's the sequel I think.

R167, I do not know if Haynes’ character bought Simon any drinks in the cut scenes. It did happen in the book; although several things in the book were cut from the movie, such as Simon’s older sister, Alice. He has two sisters in the book but only one in the film. Every other chapter in the book is nothing but emails between Simon and Blue. Obviously, many of them were cut from the film as well.

[quote]glad it was cut, no good can come from a scene of an adult buying a minor alcohol. Bad optics

Mary!

R170 To be honest the film is only softly based on the novel. The novel's basic plot and ideas are carried over to the movie, but it diverges a lot and for the better frankly.

Simon nose dived on Monday night earning just $174K.

They all collpased last night.

They were eight people in my suburban matinee today, five dollars a head. Thank you AMC.

Monday's box office was lower than a typical Monday.

Watching box office for Love, Slmon is over. They're in week 5. It made 37 million on a 17 million budget. It's a success. And it's doing well overseas.

Movies carry on making money on Blu Ray, on demand, on Netflix.... Love Simon will make the studio plenty.

I hope the movie gets released on digital downloads in early June.

I hope the deleted scenes include dong.

R179 Yes the north american digital supposed to be early June.

The film will make lots of digital and Blu-ray sales because there are several full frontal scenes that were cut from the wide release. This was done probably to maintain the PG-13 rating. I saw the full frontal scenes in a preview screening in L.A.

Yes, the version I saw featured all three Blue candidates plus the Colton Haynes character performing a bukkake on Simon to the tune of "It's Raining Men". It was one of the more interesting scenes of the film to me, pity it was cut from the theatrical edition.

BORING MILQUETOAST WITH A FAR-FETCHED PLOT AND SHADY GAY CHARACTER WHO SKEEVES THE AUDIENCE OUT

$240,029 yesterday. Domestic total: $37,958,374

You need to warn others when you post spoilers, r183.

R185 ugh lower than I had hoped for a Tuesday. The film will make $40 million and some change domestically before it ends it's run. This weekend it will drop all but major markets theaters.

We'll, I chipped in another $10 on Tuesday for two admissions on discount day at AMC

Well, not we'll, fucking autocorrect

If you really cared, you wouldn't go on discount days, cheapass!

I saw it today. It's a lovely film and very charming. I only have two main criticisms: the first has already been mentioned, the fact that Simon's life is so obscenely perfect that it's difficult to have much sympathy for him. The second is that the email exchanges between Blue and Simon aren't in any way special. You never get the sense that this amazing connection is there and that they're really hitting it off in a personal way. So when Simon declares his love for Blue and says he's so funny and always knows the right words to say, etc, it seems like a huge jump from what we see in the email exchanges to that. And so the climax doesn't really have as much power as it could have. It's beautiful, though.

And what a slut Simon is. Not only does he fall in love with someone he's exchanged a few emails with, but also seems to fall in love with each boy he initially believes is Blue, which is about four different boys. She's a whore, darlin'.

R191 Do you not remember what it was like to be 17? You fall in love with a different person every week.

Also, does anyone else feel that the bit where Blue turns up and they go up in the ferris wheel is too brief? It felt kind of rushed. The whole film has been building up to that moment, so they could have held it a little longer.

r192 Yeah, I guess so.

Another slight flaw is that Simon's family aren't really proper characters, are they? It's like in the script it just says "liberals" and that's it. That's kind of the extent of their personalities. There's nothing unique about them. They even high five each other at one point in the film.

R194 Most parents in teen-oriented movies are not full-fledged characters... they are just there either as support or foil.

it goes down to 889 screens this weekend

r195 True, but I'm not asking for fully-fledged characters, just something approaching a personality. There's literally nothing there. And they are a fairly major part of the film later on, emotionally at least. That speech by Jennifer Garner about exhaling is nicely written but because there's no real personality there you can't shake the feeling it's the screenwriter talking to the audience.

You are expecting too much depth out of what is ultimately a fairly shallow crowd-pleasing movie r197.

r198 But it's not about shallowness or depth, it's about good writing and poor writing.

They are one and the same. Good writing means richer characterization. Movies that play more broadly keep characters more like cardboard cutouts. Watch any made for TV movie lol. I mean the lead character in this movie, Simon, is still written very broadly, he doesn't even have a lot of real characterization, much less the parents.

The adults are written to match how adolescents view them. This is especially so with the parents. The film is about Simon and his world.

It takes a special adult to cut through the noise and make a difference at 17. That person was the drama teacher.

It felt real to me because my mother was like that, too. I saw it again last night along with [italic]Grease[/italic] and the outing of Simon made me violently angry at every non-gay character in the movie. I cheered as loudly at the end as I could get away with in public. And this morning, I woke up with "Someday at Christmas" in an empty bed and cried. Except when all men are free, it will be Hanukkah.

I'm 34 and came out at 15. I never had a high school sweetheart, and I still regret that. I cry because gay teens today get the kind of support we didn't get. I'm happy and sad at the same time. I am happy for gay people of all ages who find true love, and sad for myself because I wonder how many times I will have to meet the wrong men before I meet the right man.

[quote] It takes a special adult to cut through the noise and make a difference at 17. That person was the drama teacher.

Agreed. Give her a Best Supporting Actress Oscar Nomination.

Her? She was a stereotypical caricature. Everything she said made me groan because I had predicted she would say just that.

Girls in my theater loudly cheered and SQUEALED when the kiss came.

[SPOILERS] The final kiss in the car is so brief. I realize they're both in front of friends and so they may be embarrassed but you don't really get the sense they're seeing each other in the morning and really want to kiss properly but are holding back. It's just a quick peck on the lips and that's it. One moment I thought was particularly moving is when Blue asks Simon if he's disappointed that it's him and he says no and they kiss. The way Blue asks him is really moving. I feel like if they made that moment in the car a bit more emotional, then it would kind of underline the fact that Simon is really pleased that Blue turned out to be the dude what he turned out to be.

The moment in the car was designed to show how normal it was. An every day thing. They've been getting in the car together for weeks, that wasn't the first time. It was showing how life goes on, how it changed, and how it didn't. It wasn't a hugely emotional moment because of course it wasn't.

I still think the scenes with the mother and with the father were the emotional core of the movie. Those scenes hit me hard and have stayed with me. Moving, emotional, and educational all at the same time. And cathartic to watch, as he got the support and understanding that I never did in that same situation (even though my parents are "supportive", it's more of an out-of-sight, out-of-mind way than actually TALKING about it like that).

[quote]And what a slut Simon is. Not only does he fall in love with someone he's exchanged a few emails with, but also seems to fall in love with each boy he initially believes is Blue, which is about four different boys. She's a whore, darlin'.

He's not a whore, he's a hopeless romantic. At that age, that's kind of sweet. After 30, it becomes pathetic.

He will have that wide-eyed romanticism and optimism beat out of him quickly enough. Rom coms always end at the "get together" stage, before the pain and heart break stage.

[quote]They've been getting in the car together for weeks, that wasn't the first time.

So after only a few weeks their first kiss in the morning is already a blink-and-you'll-miss-it, everyday affair? How brief love is. :(

It's a romantic film. They should leave you with the impression of love und romance, not bland normality.

Also, the fantasy musical scene is really square, isn't it? Did anyone else think it's done that way because Simon is kind of like that? It would have been much funnier if he really queens out and the whole dance is really gay. Then when he says "Okay, maybe not that gay" it would get a bigger laugh. As it is, the scene isn't gay at all, apart from the rainbow flag outside.

It has a wonderful soundtrack. Quite a few 60s songs on there. Probably hits on the wireless back when Greg Berlanti was Simon's age.

had free tix to go see it

jus cant

too gayface....

R212 whose gayface? yours?

[quote]He will have that wide-eyed romanticism and optimism beat out of him quickly enough. Rom coms always end at the "get together" stage, before the pain and heart break stage.

I have to say, the final shot of the film where they crane up as the car drives off and we're left with the city in the background. Presumably their destination, like the big wide world awaits them. In the fantasy world, of course the big exciting city, full of life and promise is a great thing to look forward to, but in the real world it just portends heartbreak, loneliness, despair and suicide. I was thinking "NO! Don't drive off into the world. Stay here and love each other in your bedrooms and don't ever meet any other men, EVAH!!!"

[quote]I have to say, the final shot of the film where they crane up as the car drives off and we're left with the city in the background. Presumably their destination, like the big wide world awaits them.

Neither of these are sentences.

I'm experimenting with unconventional sentence structures. Quite pleased. With the results.

I wonder if Simon has a foot fetish. "Love your boots!" Do you guys think Simon will eventually dump Blue and get with that hot gardener dude?

I guess that scene was cut from the wide release, r217. There’s a scene from when this film was in previews where Simon and the gardener connect on Grindr and then 69 in his bedroom. Like you suggest, there’s also some foot play involved.

The the father spots them on grindr and watches them through the louvered closet doors in Simon's bedroom.

R209, you're decidedly weird.

the lead guy should do drag

love, simone.

r220 The idea that a romantic film should end on a note of routine is kind of weird. They've only been together a short while, so the spark should still be there. Why not show that?

Jennifer Garner apparently requested that her big scene be added to the script. I don't know if I should read that as an actress wanted to make sure she got appropriate screen time or just feeling that her character would need to make that kind of declaration to Simon. I'm choosing the more charitable explanation, because it apparently made a lot of the crew cry when they filmed it.

The real thing that's stuck with me is that the most painful part was that Martin took away Simon's control of his own story. I wasn't outed, not really, but his whole "I'm supposed to be the one who decides..." was a real gut-punch.

310,000 estimated on Friday

total: $38,579,001

Just watched it last night, it was lovely.

[quote]Girls in my theater loudly cheered and SQUEALED when the kiss came.

Yeah, the girls up in front at my local multiplex were swooning, “OMG!” It was pretty hilarious.

My screening was rooting for Simon too—some more audibly than others. It was very nice.

Watched it twice already, and that doesn’t include the iTunes digital pre-order. 🙂

R222, there's really something wrong with you.

No comment on Robbie Rogers? You gays are slipping!

r229

Why would anyone mention Robbie Rogers in this thread?

It would have been very interesting if Shawn Mendez played Simone.

Nick is playing hetero in his new movie Krystal... I can imagine a better movie if Nick and Grant played gay boyfriends instead of brothers.

Nick looks so ugly in that movie.

R235 I think his character is meant to be a social misfit so they have to make him look odd. This hair style is still better than the lanky long hair in Everything, Everything. He did look best styled as Simon, which probably helped sell tickets to teen girls.

They could have made this film so much more relevant if they had Blue turn out to be Leah and she comes out as trans and at the end she gets into the car and has transitioned to a hot man who gives Simon a frenchie then takes his boots off and lets Simon have a quick sniff of his pungent feets.

Tony Hale should have been Blue.

The most hilarious part of this thread are DL's "rewrites" of the movie.

R232, he has a blink and you'll miss him cameo as the school soccer coach near the end of the movie. He's also Berlanti's husband.

Dear R95. That's a lovely picture you posted of Oprah.

Is that a fat joke?

In the scene where they meet up at the soccer player's house before going to Bram's party it looked like Leah was checking out Abby and I'm half expected her to come out as a lezzie at the end.

Apparently in the sequel to this story Leah does come out as bisexual r243, so that was probably intentional.

Why didn't Simon just insist on Martin destroying the screenshots of the emails before he helped him?

And where's Martin's gay brother? If one of my sisters blackmailed another gay man (or woman), I wouldn't be too thrilled with that.

[quote]And where's Martin's gay brother? If one of my sisters blackmailed another gay man (or woman), I wouldn't be too thrilled with that.

I thought the same thing and I wouldn't be thrilled either. I haven't read the book. For people who have read the book does Martin actually have a gay brother?

The sequel could have Simon moving to the city, breaking up with Blue and trawling through Grindr. He hits it off with someone but they won't send him any face pics, just endless photos of an averaged sized freakishly curved penis. But Simon is sure this is the one because he says such amazing things like "Yo, what u wearin?" and "I want to fuk u like a ragdoll!", so he perseveres and tells his paramour, who he calls Brown, to meet him at the local bathhouse at 2am or it's OVAH! I won't spoil the ending, suffice to say there won't be a dry hand in the house!

R246 Yes in the book Martin's brother is gay.

Martin's brother would have presumably moved out of the house by now. I mean the older brother of someone in highschool is likely in college.

Yes Martin's brother is in college. In both the novel and the movie we never actually meet Martin's brother. IN the book we know he's in first year of college away from home.

I like the way Martin's villainy is underlined by the fact he's short, fat, ugly and not as wealthy as the other kids.

R251 Martin is a school shooter in the making.

I saw this movie today and I am glad I did.

Love this movie

Martin is hormonal, crazed, manipulative and vindictive but he is also sweet, utterly redeemable. and completely identifiable for a spasm like me.

[quote]This hair style is still better than the lanky long hair in Everything, Everything. He did look best styled as Simon, which probably helped sell tickets to teen girls.

He only looks good with short hair. He looked absolutely revolting as John Lennon with the long hair, little beady eyes, Macaulay Culkin looking rat face.

2 dam gay

even for me

I loved Tony Randall in this!

How do the receipts of L,S stack against the teen weepy and mainstream movie Midnight Sun?

Simon went to the Midnight Sun for some cock.

LS-$38M MS-$9M

Saw it tonight. The theater was sort of strangely family-filled. Moms and Dads and all the kids, ages roughly 8 to 15. My gay-o-meter scan of the audience stopped pinging when it got to 10% - it was an overwhelmingly hetero crowd and they applauded at the end.

Maybe the world is changing.

[quote]the long hair, little beady eyes, Macaulay Culkin looking rat face.

Now you're just being mean... LOL He doesn't look good with long hair, but the boy while bland is certainly good-looking.

So good to see that Love, Simon is doing so much better than Midnight Sun. Thanks r261.

I'm sure he nice kid, but I jus cant look at him....

......

Grant looks hot in that goatee, r234!

Watched it just last night with a very mixed crowd, and people applauding for Simone. And, I want to watch it with my boyfriend tonight again.

R255 "Martin is hormonal, crazed, manipulative and vindictive but he is also sweet, utterly redeemable. and completely identifiable for a spasm like me."

Jeez, I guess there's some good in everyone ($4 worth here) but I wanted to punch the shit out of him every time he was on screen, the lying little fuckweasel. I was disappointed when Simon didn't.

I was also disappointed in Simon when he didn't log off in the library, but that's another story .

I wept, I cheered, I laughed my eyes out!

Finally saw this last night!!! I loved it! My friends and I went to an 8 pm showing and the theater was virtually empty...but granted the film has been out for a month. I really hope the film has been a financial success because I would gladly pay to see more films like it.

David Hogg should heave played Simon.

Weekend estimates: 16th place, 1,000,000 $. Total: $39,269,001

Gen X parents are the best. Saw the film to a very family friendly crowd. The theater was half full, not bad for a fil that will bow out in the next 2 weeks.

This will be the 4th highest gay film since BBM ??

It's #11 on this list of most successful gay/lesbian movies, but that's based on domestic gross, not international.

LETS NOT GET AHEAD OF OUR SKIS, THIS MOVIE ISN'T PUSHING THE NEEDLE IN THE HEARTLAND TRUST ME I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN THESE THINGS TO YOU!!

Worldwide gross at 4/15/18:

Domestic: 39+ million

Foreign: 10+ million

Total worldwide: About 50 million, on a production budget of $17 million.

R277 That brings Love, Simon's total box office to 3xs it's production budget! The film can now be claimed as a legit financial success. Already at $10 million in international box office and less than a month out internationally means the film's international take could out do it's domestic box office which will end around $40 million.

Interesting that the 90s produced 6 of the top 10 highest gay films.

Today Interview with the Vampire would have been made into a love affair between a man and a woman, and the 90s version was already degayed enough.

And 5 of the top 10 most successful gay films were directed by British directors. Four were directed by Americans. THE IMITATION GAME was by a Norwegian. And I think Nathan Lane may be the only out gay man in any of those films in one of the leading roles.

lol I had forgotten about In & Out. It had one of the most memorable scenes in gay cinema history, lol

I love that film. If I'm ever depressed it always cheers me up.

I don't count Interview with a Vampire as a gay film, it was far too degayed.

I don't know if I would count several of the movies on that Box Office Mojo list to be gay films. Bruno sure as hell isn't.

No, there was a clear gay layer in IWTVP. There was indeed a gay scene between Lois and Armand that was cut from the film, and there was a kiss between Louis and another man (Tom Cruise's character ?) that was cut as well. Too bad we never saw it. Brad, Tom, and Antonio were at their beauty peak. *cries*

though the scene from Armand and Brad left on the film was still hot.

$39 million on a $17 budget is horrible. John Krasinski's Don't Make a Noise also cost $17 million but has made over $100 in a week. Tyler Posey's Truth or Dare only cost $3 million and opened to over 6 times it's budget at $19 million.

[quote]Jeez, I guess there's some good in everyone ($4 worth here) but I wanted to punch the shit out of him every time he was on screen, the lying little fuckweasel. I was disappointed when Simon didn't.

I also wanted him to punch him. The fact that he had a gay sibling and blackmailed another gay person was just disgusting.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned in these threads and wanted to bring up, I'm glad the movie acknowledged that Simon himself was also behaving as a dick. It kept him on the hook for his own behavior.

[quote]One thing I haven't seen mentioned in these threads and wanted to bring up, I'm glad the movie acknowledged that Simon himself was also behaving as a dick. It kept him on the hook for his own behavior.

And when he apologized, he didn't deflected. He said he hadn't done it because he didn't want to be outed, he did it because he didn't want to lose Blue.

The movie could have had so much more of an emotional punch if they spent more time and energy on the email exchanges between Simon and Blue. Nothing they say to each other is particularly special or moving and yet Simon is supposed to fall head over heels with him?

And what if Blue had been a girl? Would he still love her and kiss her on the ferry wheel? What if Blue had been fat, fem, or Asian?

r291 Yeah, it's such a shaky premise, isn't it? When he finds out that Blue is a Game of Thrones fan and the next day he's walking through school and looking at all the GoT t-shirts and the ugly fat dudes wearing them and he doesn't look too pleased.

Greg Berlanti stole my life.

That is all.

What does that even mean, Robbie?

[quote]Yeah, it's such a shaky premise, isn't it?

The movie is entertaining fluff, nothing more, you can't hold it to too high of standards.

[quote]Tyler Posey's Truth or Dare only cost $3 million a

How is that even possible? Love, Simon cost 17 million dollars + advertisement (which will probably be like another 6-10 million worldwide).

Berlanti is an idiot and should have cast a gay lead.

It's a complete mystery to me how this movie cost $17 million.

Looking at recent films "The Disaster Artist" and "Ladybird" were both 10 mil. "Love Simon" you'd think would be the same.

Wonder if Greg Berlanti struggled with directing a motion picture since he is so used to television, might have caused some budget inflation beyond what the studio wanted.

I'm also struggling with the 17 million dollar budget. The film looked great so money well spent.

Did anyone one else think of Mean Girls after watching this? They have little in common besides being HS movies, but I left feeling the same about both. I loved the worlds these movies created and enjoyed following the characters through most of a school year (Summer, Fall, ending in Spring). Maybe it's because I liked almost everyone in the film minus the theater jerks and his little sister.

R291, there are actually hot Asians I believe simon would like to kiss

The $17 million production budget is an estimate by several film commentators. Studios don't typically release the actual production costs but to me $17 million sounds right on the money for a lower budget studio film. Studios pour more money into their films than independent films like the ones R298 mentions. Studio films are made mostly to earn profit so studios and their investors will dump a larger amount of money hoping for a large rate of return. Studio films involve large crews, state of the art equipment, higher salaries etc. Independent films are mostly made for artistic reasons and are funded by small investors and grants & made on tight budgets. The goal of most independent film producers to have their film purchased by a distributor.

It's not at all a stretch that Love, Simon cost around $17 million.

[quote]And what if Blue had been a girl? Would he still love her and kiss her on the ferry wheel?

Why the fuck shouldn’t he have rejected Blue if he turned out to be a woman?

R299 it has been compared to lots of other teen films, but it was no where near as funny as Mean Girls. It really had no funny parts at all, to be honest.

R296 Shawn Mendes has mentioned wanting the starring role. I don't know if he's serious or it was ever even a possibility, but I think that would have drawn it more fans. I guess he's not out, though, but still.

[quote]It really had no funny parts at all, to be honest.

The kids weren’t really funny, but Tony Hale and the drama teacher were certainly there to add comedy.

[quote]Shawn Mendes has mentioned wanting the starring role. I don't know if he's serious or it was ever even a possibility, but I think that would have drawn it more fans.

Is Shawn Mendes actually popular? I swear I only hear him about here, not in real life.

I got to ride a Ferris Wheel with a guy once. But I had to pay him to do it. (Worth every penny. He was deeply attentive.)

So this movie is a success in that it was made and it's given the gay boys out there of all ages a fantasy.

If the studio is smart. They'll bring Shawn Mendez for the sequel. I imagine Shawn will have to come out after that though...

Something bout simon's face makes me giggle

and cringe...

Is the identity of Blue withheld til the end in the book, as well? I think that's a major flaw in the film's plot. They turn it into a mystery, which provides a thrill at the end, but it comes at the expense of things which are much more fundamental to a film like this. Compare it to films like SHOP AROUND THE CORNER (or YOU'VE GOT MAIL), where the two main characters fall in love with a person they're communicating with but don't think they know; and as the film progresses the audience sees them falling in love with each other in real time without them realizing that they and the person they're communicating with are one and the same. This is a much richer experience, because we see the mutual love developing and by the time they hook up at the end we're convinced of it. Although the surprise at the end when we find out who Blue is is a lovely and moving one, I just don't think enough has been shown throughout the film for it to have much impact beyond that.

I think it would have been much better if they focused on Simon for the first half and then revealed to the audience who Blue was in the second act. Then shown us that Simon and Blue really liked each other, and only then at the end do they find out who Jacques and Blue really are. You don't get that surprise at the end, but you get a much richer payoff.

[quote]Is the identity of Blue withheld til the end in the book, as well?

Yes. In fact, Cal, Miles Heizer's character, is a much more plausible candidate than Bram, until Simon asks him a bunch of questions that only Blue would know the answer to, and he doesn't know them.

However, we do find out he is bisexual and has feelings for Simon.

[quote]However, we do find out he is bisexual and has feelings for Simon.

Oh, I wish they'd included that in the film. I thought Heizer was great and that almost kiss between him and Simon was beautiful. There seemed to be real chemistry between them. And the scene where Simon asks him outright if he's Blue was really moving. Thanks, r310 x

I felt they planted the seed. While the other two Blue candidates Simon finds out aren't gay, at least supposedly, Miles character seemed presented as if he actually was gay also and he seems really sympathetic to Simon and genuinely wants to hang out and get to know him better.

[quote]Oh, I wish they'd included that in the film.

I'm glad they didn't. That would have lead teen girls to start shipper wars. That's no one's friend.

I would have been happy if Blue had turned out to be any of the candidates. They were all lovely, in different ways. One of my favorite bits in the film is when Joey Pollari introduces himself to Simon and Greg holds the shot on Simon just gazing at him...

R314, that moment and many others from the film highlight the terrific performance from Robinson in the role of Simon. His nervousness while waiting for Blue’s first email was another standout moment.

Some gays are upset a straight actor was cast as Simon but Robinson fully committed to the part. He is in every scene in the movie apart from the coming out as straight scenes so the film is dependent on his performance. He sells the film with the perfect combination of relatability, charm, vulnerability, emotion and realism.

R315 Having seen the film twice, Robinson gives an incredibly subtle performance throughout most of the film. He manages to communicate much of Simon's inner turmoil through facial expressions and body language but in a very understated manner. It's one of those performances that actually gets better the more times you see the film.

In that opening sequence, I love the way he leaves his house and then goes into a really hurried walk, chest pushed out, as he psyches himself up to say something to the gardener.

He's way too young for me, I am old enough to be his father if I started young, but I'm totally in love with Nick as Simon in this film.

Simon is cute, but he's awfully vanilla. Not much there there. Maybe that will change when he gets out in the real world.

That first scene of him yelling out to the gardener is totally out of character for Simon, Simon would not do that.

r320 I never got a very clear sense of a character with Simon. I'm honestly not sure whether it's in character or out of character, but it is very funny and the way he performs it physically is very good.

Simon approaching the gardener is very in character for him. He approached Bram, Lyle and Cal when he thought all of them were Blue. Simon initiates contact with people he is attracted to just like he did when he leaned in for the kiss on the Ferris wheel.

R309 - there were some pretty big clues thrown out there about Blue’s identity. The biggest when Bram says at lunch I’m half black and half Jewish so black and blue. I laughed at that - my biracial cousins say the same thing.

[quote]there were some pretty big clues thrown out there about Blue’s identity.

True but didn't some of those clues also coincide with the other candidates, too? Like Cal going away with his father, I think; and Lyle going outside the waffle house and checking his phone just as Simon got another message from Blue, etc.

They should have all been Blue and took turns fucking Simon.

[spoilers] It just would have been so much better if they dispensed with the Blue mystery, which takes up a good third of the film, and focused on developing the relationship between Simon and Bram. Still have the reveal for Simon at the end, but tell the audience long before that who Blue is, so that we can concentrate on their developing relationship.

r325, like Mystery on the Love,Simon Express...

❤️❤️

That scene was filmed but apparently cut for time, r325.

Somebody post Nick’s naked ass again.

I wonder if Blue realized who Jacques was early in the plot. The way he looks at Simon in some of the scenes early on could just be because he likes him, but it could also be read as him either knowing Simon is Jacques or having some suspicion. This is one of the weaknesses in the way the film is plotted: we don't really get to know Blue other than through what he says in the emails.

Love, Simon made *slightly* more at the box office this weekend than the original projections. It brought in $1,060,295 bringing it's total domestic box office to $39,329,296. With foreign box office the film is now at $49.5 million.

There were numerous scenes that captured what you describe, r331, including a montage of the characters stroking off to the thought one another. For whatever reason, it didn't appear in the main release and that's much to the detriment of the story's cohesion.

Something interesting about Nick Robinson and his initial reluctance to do the "Love, Simon" role. It turns out that the decision to take it was probably good for his career.

Here is a listing of the 2018 films he is currently appearing in, and the corresponding RottenTomatoes ratings:

Love, Simon - 92%

Krystal - 0% (That's ZERO percent.)

This new review in British GQ shows an appreciation for what Nick Robinson accomplished in the film--

[quote] Simon’s facial expressions most affected me. With a few well-placed glances - a furtive look at the buff next door neighbour on the way to school, a pained expression at his dad’s ill-judged sex jokes, a brow sorrowfully furrowed at the burden of his secret – Robinson adeptly manages to capture the anxiety of being a gay teenager with even more dexterity, dare I say it, than Timothée Chalamet in 2017’s Call Me By Your Name.

To even compare Robinson's work in this film to Chalamet's work in CMBYM is laughable and silly. And that is all that needs to be said.

And I am far from a Chalamet fangurl, they ruined much of the discussion around this movie.

I wouldn’t compare the performances either, r336.

At least Nick Robinson did a full frontal.

I also noticed the subtlety of Nick's performance. There's so much going in in his facial expressions.

After Wednesday it is at $39,635,595 domestically

It goes down to 491 screens for the weekend.

R337, I don’t think Nick has ever gone full frontal. He has shown his ass.

R339 It should just squeak past $40 million domestically this weekend and that's about it. I don't think there is much more in and will end its domestic run hovering below the $41 million mark.

Foreign box office is at $11 million. Overall we're at $50.6 million and we've still got a lot of international markets to go.

R340 I've seen the movie in which Nick's backside is shown but I don't think it's really him. There were 3 male stand-ins listed in the film credits and I think it probably one of their asses we see.

[quote]To even compare Robinson's work in this film to Chalamet's work in CMBYM is laughable and silly.

You're right: Robinson is miles ahead of him in every aspect, and this film has none of the creepiness that makes the latter film unwatchable.

Doesn't "Someday at Christmas" kind of sound like "Hey Look Me Over" a little bit?

I find it curious that box office is so easy to find... but there's never anyplace you can go to find out how much a movie makes in rentals, DVDs, streaming, etc. Why is that? I don't even have a good feel for what percentage of a films income is attributed to rentals, DVDs, streaming, etc... everything post boxoffice release.

We'll know this movie is profitable if they bother to do a sequel.

There was a full frontal jack off scene in the preview I saw in Los Angeles, r340. It was both hot and funny. I’m sure others who saw it can also comment.

Obviously it was cut from the final version, but maybe it will be included in a director’s cut on the DVD extras.

Yeah, box office numbers are easy to find. It's very hard to find out how much a movie makes in DVD, Blu-ray, and video streaming sales.

At link is a site the tries to recap the Worldwide Box Office plus DVD & Blu-ray sales. I don't think they are including video streaming revenue but I'm not actually sure. At the very least, it's not separately stated in their estimates.

So for example, Nick Robinson's previous YA movie was "Everything, Everything" in 2017.

Domestic Box Office - 34 million

International - 27 million

Worldwide - 61 million

Est. Domestic DVD sales 1.8 million

Est. Domestic Blu-ray 1 million.

(No info on foreign DVD sales or any video streaming.)

What you can get from this is that unlike years and years ago where DVD sales could be about 1/2 the revenue of a movie, it's doesn't appear to be like that anymore. I'm not sure if video streaming sales make up for the DVD sales loss in any significant way. Just don't know.

weekend: 500,000

total: $40,212,402

How could DVD and Blu-Ray sales only be $1-2 million. They cost as much as a movie ticket. $1 million would be like one day in the theaters yet it's their whole lifetime DVD sales?

Nobody BUYS DVDs anymore. They rent them (RedBox), or they just do digital rentals (Apple TV or Amazon or Windows 10's "Moveis & TV" or whatever...)

Or they wait for it to be on cable.

Or they wait even longer for it to be on broadcast TV.

What's the point of Simon starting a relationship with Blue during senior year when going to college means moving away?

R352, like lesbians, they will travel together to college.

[quote]David Hogg should heave played Simon.

Ewwww, Hogg looks like a rodent.

[quote]What's the point of Simon starting a relationship with Blue during senior year when going to college means moving away?

I've come to the conclusion that the only real point of the film is Simon's coming to terms with his sexuality. The relationship between him and Blue just isn't done well enough for that to matter, in the end.

Physical DVD and Blu-ray sales are declining.

[quote] Once upon a time, it was about whether to pack a (DVD) disc with extra features, or put out a plainer release. Now? It’s no guarantee that a small- to mid-range film will get a release at all.

Smaller films that get no DVDs are just released to streaming and Netflix and Amazon and iTunes.

To include Foreign Box Office at 4/22/18--

Domestic BO - 40 million

Foreign BP - 13 million

I bought Call Me By Your Name and Beach Rats on Blu-ray, but I have no interest in owning Love, Simon.

R358 is what's wrong with gay America.

Seriously, r358? Love, Simon is a wonderful movie!

No, it’s not wonderful. It’s just ok.

I'll be buying the DVD. I'm in the UK. One current (non gay) film I'm looking forward to seeing is Todd Haynes's WONDERSTRUCK, but that's apparently one of these films that might not even get a DVD release over here.

And it depicts Jews in a better light, frankly.

Yeah I bought CMBYN and GOC but I don't need to own this movie. It was pleasant fluff.

I have seen GOC three times and LS twice already, but I will boycott that sick Oscar-stealing Nazi pedo propaganda CMBYN till the day I die.

r358 I saw beach Rats and besides the gorgeous (British) lead and his shower scene, there isn't much to see. I guess him brooding in the rain was hot, but the movie wasn't worth much as far as the story line it ended to abruptly.

I agree, I thought Beach Rats is a terrible film. Hated it. The lead actor is very impressive and very hot but the film is shit.

I also didn't think there was much to Beach Rats other than Harris Dickinson.

I thought Beach Rats was one of the best gay films I’ve seen so far.

Beach Rats sucked ass. The actor and his uncut dick was hot.

Beach Rats is just the second act of a typical coming out film. The film starts when the main character has already started messing around with guys and it ends before he comes to terms with the fact he's gay. It's just the second act with the beginning and end removed, which makes it seem unconventional in structure but very unsatisfying at the same time. And the main character was a coward and a twat.

But … the rest of the film is missing!

CMBYN, 120BPM, The Wound, and No Man's Country are the gay DVDs to buy.

Beach Rats was alright and Love Simon was an ok movie.

Fuck off pedo pussy R373

Love, Simon is a light-hearted, mainstream romantic comedy that tells a sweet story with likeable characters. It is not some gritty, art house drama that depresses you or wraps itself in pretentiousness. Despite that, the film is resonating with audiences of all ages and sexualities. None of the other films R373 listed can make that claim.

Well said, r375 x

There's nothing that ruins a gay movie thread like some sicko barging in and projecting CMBYN's flaws onto it.

The extras on the Blu Ray and DVD should be fun. Not only will the gay bar scenes with Colton Haynes make an appearance; but there was more to the scene at the beginning of the film where Simon was ogling the hot gardener.

Yes, r378, that's the scene I was mentioning at r347.

The book sequel to Simon vs. the Homo Sapiens Agenda comes out this week. It's all about Leah this time, but Simon and Bram will costar.

Has the porn version been released yet?

I'm guessing they'll go the easy route with 'Fuck Simon' for quick name recognition.

R381 I hope Helix is working on something....

I don't think I've ever scene a gay sex scene on a Ferris wheel. Surely, I would remember that.

[quote] The book sequel to Simon vs. the Homo Sapiens Agenda comes out this week. It's all about Leah this time, but Simon and Bram will costar.

Hopefully that will be better than the book sequel to [italic]Forrest Gump[/italic]. Talk about a hastily written cash-in.

I plan on buying Love, Simon when it comes out. I rarely buy movies anymore but this one is bright (love the cinematography) and positive. I'll happily watch it with friends or on my own time .

R384 The books sequel had been in the works way before the movie came out. It might help sell more books with the movie-linked publicity, but the movie adaptation itself differs from the first book quite a bit, so the book series is really its own separate thing.

I have boughten a ticket to Love Simeon once every single day since it came out. I will help his BO. One ticket a day. You do too.

The book and movie are an admission by Italians that gays, blacks, and Jews are superior.

r387 I hope your trolling because that's overkill. The movie will do what it does. It's made enough for studios to invest in similar projects at least sponsored by streaming services.

I didn't expect it to break box office records, but I at least hoped it would break $50 million in this country. Even [italic]Annie[/italic] could do that.

I don't think the book sequel will made into a movie. It's supposed to be about Leah coming out as bisexual and if it did get made into a movie- a lot of cry baby bi-martyrs like Sara Ramirez will jump all over promoting the movie to get publicity for themselves.

I look forward to never reading the sequel.

Leah coming out as bisexual sounds...boring.

I'm glad it made it to $40 million

I'd rather see a sequel about Ethan.

Simon and Blue trying to navigate the difficult waters of maintaining a highschool relationship into college and now adjusting to being the "openly gay guys" at college is story I would read.

That'll never work, R396. That just sounds too logical and rational.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Leah sequel happened. Katharine Langford has a huge fanbase from 13 Reasons Why.

The sequel needs to be the weeks following the first movie and be an NC17 exploration of Simon and Blue experimenting sexually with each other. Flip fucking, oral techniques, toys. They could open up to threesomes with some of the other Blue candidates. I'd see that.

DONT be vulgar dude

[quote][R387] I hope your trolling because that's overkill.

Not trolling. I has MoviePass. One ticket a day.

[quote] The sequel needs to be the weeks following the first movie and be an NC17 exploration of Simon and Blue experimenting sexually with each other. Flip fucking, oral techniques, toys. They could open up to threesomes with some of the other Blue candidates. I'd see that.

Fox owes gays after [italic]Staircase[/italic] and [italic]Myra Breckinridge[/italic].

That's certainly....something r401

All of the Nick Robinson nudity

Commendable work, r404!

Nick is a filthy whore!

Nick needs to work out.

And sit on my face afterward.

The Simon-universe book, Leah on the Offbeat, was released yesterday and it deals with Leah coming to terms with her bisexuality. The book takes place during the final months of the group’s Senior year at Creekwood. Simon and Bram are still dating and Bram is supposedly written very favorably. Is anyone reading it?

R407 I like Nick's twinky little body as it is!

Thank you, R404! R409, I’m reading the book and love it!

Box-office as of now:

Domestic: $40,301,478 75.5%

Foreign: $13,053,707 24.5%

Worldwide: $53,355,185

I heard that if the BO hits $100M total, they plan to release the bukkake scene they filmed.

I wonder if Becky Albertalli is planning a whole series of books, each one focusing on one of the main characters of the first book, as they realize they are totally gay. It could rival Harry Potter for spin offs and sequels.

R413 No she's not. She's stated on Twitter several times that Leah on the Offbeat is the final book in the "Simonverse." This is third book in what has described as a trilogy.

What was first book?

R415 The three books are: Simon vs. the Homo Sapiens Agenda (adapted into Love, Simon), The Upside of Unrequited (which focuses on Abby's cousin and features a cameo by Simon) and Leah on the Offbeat.

Simon being the only one that stars a male (technically anyway...) protagonist.

The unrequited book stars a chubby girl falling in love with a dorky guy from my understanding, showcases a love story that isn't about the pretty people.

R417 (SPOILER) Well, in Unrequited, there was a "hot guy" Will who was showing some sort of "interest" in the chubby girl until suddenly he wasn't. Turned out he was himself crushing unrequitedly on his Korean lesbian bff who was dating the chubby girl's lesbian sister. Andthe sisters' parents were two lesbians, too! Yeah, that pretty much tells you how this author operates.

Simon’s joke in the movie about Bill Cosby rings even more true following his conviction today.

Is the movie available online already?

It's not legally available online. It will be available in June for rental/purchase streaming.

What did he joke about Bill Cosby.

He said once you go black, you never go back.

Simon likes black dick?!?

R424, have you not seen the movie?

Nobody's going to get the Bill Cosby joke in 20 years time.

[quote]I wouldn't be surprised if the Leah sequel happened. Katharine Langford has a huge fanbase from 13 Reasons Why.

Langford's popularity from 13 Reasons Why isn't enough for a sequel. It comes down to the box office numbers for Love, Simon which aren't really that great. As previous posters said movies based on YA books haven't been box office hits in the past couple of years.

[quote]Nobody's going to get the Bill Cosby joke in 20 years time.

Well if no one's going to get it, can you tell us what the Cosby joke was?

It wasn't even really a joke, just an offhand comment: the father said some music that he likes was popular in the 1980s, and the son says "so was Bill Cosby" apropro of nothing, really...

Young love

I feel like Nick’s ass should be sexier. It looks very AWG.

Why is Simon only friends with black people? Those seemed like the only black people in his school and he's in the car with all of them. But of course he rejects the fat fem black one.

R431 He is an AWG... LOL But that being said, if he worked out, he could make his butt firmer.

Here's a brief excerpt from the new Leah book after she receives a college letter about scheduling a tour. She's relaying a conversation she had with Simon about college tours when she says:

[quote]Apparently Simon's dad asked the tour guide at Duke to "please elaborate on the campus gay scene." "I wanted to fucking die," Simon told me.

Also, Simon and Bram evidently aren't into PDAs, at least not around Leah.

Love, Simon "comes out" on digital May 29 and blu-ray June 12.

Also the film is up for best kiss for the MTV movie awards bit.ly/VoteLoveSimon

Simon didn't exactly strike me as a Duke-bound kid r434.

Wait, MTV is going to ruin the big reveal with their nomination and subsequent award? Uh, ever heard of spoiler alert, MTV?

The movie came out in March r437.

"And the award for 'Best Secretly Gay (Until The Surprise Ending) Character' goes to..."

Box office flop a rooney

$40 million+ ain't peanuts...

$40 million is actually not that great. Theaters take half of that, and the estimated promo costs were 4 million, so it will barely break even. For reference, a quiet place cost the same to make but pulled in $151 million

[quote]$40 million is actually not that great. Theaters take half of that, and the estimated promo costs were 4 million, so it will barely break even.

The $14 million in foreign box office as of 5/1/18 should help it move beyond barely breaking even.

R443 you're right, it will, but I was really hoping that the numbers would be so stellar that there wouldn't be any hesitation at all by large studios in making similar movies.

On a side note/rant I'm a little disappointed when I hear people complain it's a another movie about a "hetero-normative cis white male" and so they're not gonna see it until they get represented. As a POC myself I understand the sentiment. But I don't think that they understand that if LS doesn't do well then any movie less "mainstream" than LS won't even be considered (not counting indie studios).

From the time that they released Catwoman (admittedly a horrible movie) and the last blade movie it took them 14 years! before they attempted to try again with Wonder woman and Black Panther.

I think that we get one more chance through streaming video and disc sales. If those numbers aren't much better then I fear we're in for another 14 year wait for a non-tragic, gay, YA, movie.

[quote]"And the award for 'Best Secretly Gay (Until The Surprise Ending) Character' goes to..."

They can show the kiss but they need to pixilate and censor the face of who it is. It's not fair to the people who waited for DVD and streaming to have the mystery ruined.

R445, day late and dollar short does not make the call.

Mary r445! Get over it.

[404] That is not Nick' ass. It's a stand-in's butt.

Do you think this film will still be appreciated in, say, 20 years time? A lot of the promotion and appreciation of the film seems to be about the fact that it's a mainstream, family film, and on that score it's absolutely commendable and worth celebrating, but in the future (hopefully) that element won't be so noteworthy and so audiences will judge it purely on its merits as a film. I think it's a very good film and definitely charming, sweet and well acted, but I wonder if it will stand the test of time.

R448, do you have proof of that?

Nick's real ass actually has a mole on his left cheek. And he has a small tattoo on his right.

What about Nick's hole?

Nick's hole looks different too.

R449, I share your doubts that it will withstand the test of time. I loved the movie but on its own it's a solid "meh". If this was a straight teen romance I don't think it would done well at all. None the less, in 20 years I hope that it'll be remembered as "the first of many" from major studios, rather "the first and only"

Nick attended the Met Gala tonight. He looks like he is trying to grow a pornstache.

R455, I predict Nick is going to fuck Shawn Mendes tonight.

Disgusting. Why do people try to grow mustaches? It always looks disgusting! Beards, yes. Mustache, no!

R455 That outfit looks ill-fitted.

Nick and Shawn Mendes have matching lazy eyes. They're destined to be together.

R436, he ultimately decides to attend Haverford College near Philadelphia while Bram chooses NYU.

HRC is honoring Nick with its Ally for Equality Award at its event in Las Vegas this coming Saturday.

R461, giving a straight twink an award just for playing gay? That’s so desperate.

Ally for Equality, the guy who didn't even want to take the role at first because he was afraid of playing gay.

And yet he did an amazing job.

He wasn't afraid of playing gay, he was worried that he wasn't strong enough to carry the lead for the first time.

He has talked about how he was initially afraid to take this role in multiple interviews.

[quote]"But I was also just nervous to play a gay character, period," he acknowledges. "There were still some tremors from past times where that was frowned upon. I think that's kind of unfounded, and that audiences are accepting enough now to understand that either way you go, it's a character."

At least he was honest about it. That speaks of good character. And he did a great job in the role. Giving him an "ally" award is kind of desperate but that's what these gay orgs do, these days.

Wow, he looks really ugly with his hair up like that. I think that's a face that needs bangs.

R468 It's just the weird lighting. Still hardly ugly.

Kinda ugly at R461 too. I think he only looked good in the Simon role because he was Simon. But objectively, without Simon, he's ugly.

R450 "Being Charlie" has three male stand-ins listed in the credits. I don't have absolute proof but I am convinced the ass in that movie belongs to one of those guys and not Nick. There was nothing in it that required a stand-in other than nudity. They also had a female stand-in to handle nudity for the lead gal in the film too.

R471, then why were there three stand-ins? I think this is a conspiracy theory. Somebody needs to Tweet Nick and ask him if that was really his ass.

I think it was he's real butt. It was just that unimpressive!

R472, A stunt person would needed in the scene where Charlie gets pushed out of moving car and possibly the breaking a church's stained-glass window. The female lead definitely did nothing resembling a stunt and she was in about half of the film. The only thing they have in common are the nude scenes which leads me to believe that is what two of the four stand-ins were used for and the remainder guys did stunts in place of Nick.

Is this a remake of Tony Randall's obliquely gay TV show LOVE, SIDNEY ?

The "Love, Sidney" was a TV show extrapolated from a TV movie, "Love, Sidney" which was NOT a light-hearted comedy. It was a really good, if depressing, movie.

I just caught Jurassic World on cable this past week... and realized for the first time that the lead kid in that movie is Simon from "Love, Simon". I never made the connection before.

R477, bless your heart.

So Love, Simon is out now on iTunes. Includes deleted scenes, including the gay bar scene with Colton Haynes.

The Colton Haynes scene

Love the movie in general, but the ending is so cringe inducing with the whole town gawking at Simon and waiting for Blue to appear at the ferris wheel.

That scene didn't really work, so it's understandable why it was cut. Not even sure why they bothered filming it to be honest.

It’s pretext for the orgy scene, r482.

Was there a scene where they actually talked about going to a gay bar, and then a scene of them sneaking in somehow?

A lot of stuff must have been cut. I don't remember they actually shown the scene of Cal saying the line Simon thinks hints at him being Blue.

When is the gay bar scene supposed to happen? At the end where his friends have forgiven him? Isn't that because of the blog comment that leads to the ferris scene? Seems a bit weird to make a stop at a gay bar before you want to meet Blue.

The movie is cute and heartwarming made with good intentions. It has zero artistic values and is no where near CMBYN’s sophisticated level.

[quote] It has zero artistic values and is no where near CMBYN’s sophisticated level.

That's true. But Simon is more emotionally accessible and relatable, even if it is for the masses. Other than Timmy crying at the end of CMBYM, that movie could have been an art book you put on your coffee table to impress friends.

CMBYN is a nice movie but it's in no way sophisticated.

Sometimes all you need is some cheesy, fluff, feel-good entertainment. And Love, Simon delivers in that regard. If you want high brow entertainment Call Me By Your Name or God's Country will satisfy that.

[quote]If you want high brow entertainment Call Me By Your Name or God's Country will satisfy that.

Both are good films, but neither is remotely "high brow".

He's a classical pianist. His father is an art historian. They quote 18th century literature. I'm not sure how you can get more high brow.

r492 All of that is mere dressing to the story, which itself is neither original or particularly noteworthy. And is in absolutely no way "high brow". Most of CMBYN's fans are teenage girls. A middle-aged academic will get nothing more from the film than those teenagers, precisely because the elements you see as sophisticated are just adornments. If you want high brow cinema (which isn't necessarily a good thing, of course), watch Antonioni or Bela Tarr or Apichatpong Weerasethakul, etc.

Listing things you think are higher brow hardly makes CMBYN a John Hughes production.

r494 I'm not saying CMBYN is shit, but the fact that a character plays a piano and a bit of Montaigne is thrown into the script doesn't make the film high brow.

R482 and R484, there is a chapter in the book where Abby and Nick take Simon to a gay bar, which is why it was filmed. The book and the movie scenes are similar, apart from Abby not making the trip in the movie.

The scene in the film takes place shortly after Simon is outed on Christmas Eve but before Abby and Nick start dating on New Year’s Eve.

Simon’s joy and dancing while at the bar make it a fun scene. Colton doesn’t really add anything to the scene, although it was humorous to hear the deep voice he used for his lines.

He hardly just "plays the piano". It's not Redford dropping Pachabel in Ordinary People.

r497 Does he play it with his brow?

Love, Simon is a good middle of the road gay movie. It doesn't devolve into cringe-worthy gay teen sex comedy, nor does it aspire to say anything deep about gay love. It's just a story about one kid and his experience in coming out and searching for love.

Simon finshed its North American theatrical run on Thursday with a total of $40,806,259 t

The box office reported for Sunday 20th look a bit strange though

Abroad it stands at somewhere between 16.5m and 17m.

It still has to open in continental Europe.

Just received my digital download of Love, Simon!

How much is it? Where did you buy it? Are the iTunes extras different from the Amazon extras and are they different from the Blu-Ray extras?

"Do you want to go with my friends and I?" is incorrect, right? If it's correct, please explain why because it just sounds wrong to me on an intuitive level.

[quote]It still has to open in continental Europe.

Wait, what? It's available for digital download and they still intend to open it here in continental Europe?

Supposedly they are still doing a mainland Europe box office run this summer.

Holy shit, thanks! Marking down 21 June right now. Didn't go to see CMBYN even though it's one of my favourite movies now. Maybe seeing this one in the theatre will ease my guilty conscience a bit.

Love how Robinson pronounces "drag queen" as "dreg queen". He so straight.

I love drag race, you can see some sick cars!

[quote] Simon finshed its North American theatrical run on Thursday with a total of $40,806,259

it's still out in 32 theaters. New total is $40,818,766

Nick Robinson is giving toothy blowjobs to theatergoers until the box office is $45M.

I've seen this freaking movie 5 times already, since it came out on Itunes. I'm watching it again tonight. Please, help!

Maybe on your 6th viewing you can appreciate the performance of the blackmailer, Martin, played by Logan Miller. I had read some reviews where they crap all over his performance, but he had the toughest job since he was disliked by the others even before he blackmailed Simon, and he never gets to look good or cool like the other characters.

I loved it when he ran around the football field dressed as a bear mascot, then surprised still-closeted Simon by saying, "I heard you were into bears."

People have complained that the Ferris wheel scene at the end was cringe-inducing, but it's clear that the writers were trying to reduce the cringe by having Martin pretend he was someone else to Simon because he felt bad Simon was riding all alone on the Ferris wheel. The writers were trying to redeem the character a bit, but they also provided some comic relief when it was needed, before the big kiss.

I liked Martin. He was more of a comic relief character than an actual villain. And all of his actions basically pushed the story forward for the sake of the movie (not that Simon did appreciate that Martin took it upon himself to out Simon and not let Simon come out on his own terms).

Armond White singled out the actor who plays Martin, as the best thing about the film.

In one of the digital extras, there is an outtake where Logan Miller improved a truly hysterical line about square dancing when the group arrived at the Halloween party. It was a much better line than the bartender line that was used in the film. Miller had a tough job in the film but he was great. Robinson was still leagues better but Miller was certainly good.

r513 That sounds like exactly the sort of thing Armond White would say.

I liked that actor but I'm pretty sure you would be facing at least expulsion, if not outright criminal charges for blackmailing someone like that. To say nothing of the forced outing via doxing at the very end. That's inexcusable and can't possibly be redeemed by any other kind gesture.

R514, you can't say that and then NOT tell us what the two lines are! COME ON!

I loved the movie and the cast was prefect but wouldn’t call it a ‘ great love story ‘. Simon just exchanges emails with someone annyomonus who just turns out to be handsome.

r517 It shows that Simon doesn't love Blue for his looks, but for his personality.

Maybe the next mainstream gay teen movie can be about a gay person who isn't a bland, upper-middle class white person surrounded by a loving family and friends who would provide no consequences for being true to themselves. Who might actually have the guts to come out knowing they would face some hardship in their life. Maybe they wouldn't be "blackmailed" by a loathsome student and wind up being a total dick to their friends. Perhaps they could also meet someone in real life and not have it be some anonymous figure who, surprise, is one of their hot best friends.

Christ, the praise being dumped on this seriously mediocre film is ridiculous.

Maybe the next John Hughes film can be about a person who isn't a bland, upper-middle class white person...

Gawd, this was a disappointment. Admittedly, I watched it recalling only the media's initial infatuation with it, though I'd never actually read any of the reviews. Started off well enough with a handsome lead and a serious "Nancy Meyers"-inspired aspirational lifestyle, erm, foreground. But this was seriously derailed by the blackmail development. How could they take an initially likeable actor, Nick Robinson (not so much playing a character as a model in a lifestyle photo story), and make him completely unlikable by not only being weak and willing to submit to blackmail but also treat his friends like pawns he was wililng to re-arrange and subvert to meet his own, what, vain needs? What a turn-off. This development also moved a very unlikable supporting character to the centre of the film and allowed him to dictate all of the action for the entire second act. Honestly, I struggle to understand who is making these movies - what were they trying to accomplish? The film is entirely derailed shortly after the 20 minute mark and never even comes close to recovering. Being a teenager is dramatic enough; coming out - as whomever you are - and avoiding conformity is even more dramatic and challenging. Why these filmmakers thought they had to do something so "extra" plot-wise, just robbed them of the opportunity to do any justice to the process of coming out at all.

I would advise giving his a HARD PASS. It is a deeply disappointing mess of a teenage movie. For teen films I would recommend The Edge of Seventeen and Easy A, both of which stand up to repeated viewings and are genuinely subversive additions to the genre.

[quote] For teen films I would recommend The Edge of Seventeen and Easy A, both of which stand up to repeated viewings and are genuinely subversive additions to the genre.

There's your problem. You were looking for something credible and sophisticated. Love, Simon is a gay teen rom com. I guess it does help checking out reviews and a plot summary when picking a movie after all.

[quote] But this was seriously derailed by the blackmail development. How could they take an initially likeable actor, Nick Robinson (not so much playing a character as a model in a lifestyle photo story), and make him completely unlikable by not only being weak and willing to submit to blackmail but also treat his friends like pawns he was wililng to re-arrange and subvert to meet his own, what, vain needs?

To each his own. FYI, coming out has a different impact on each person. It can be incredibly hard for some. Why do you think gay people kill themselves or others just to keep their sexual orientation a secret? I find Simon very likable and would date him in a heartbeat if we were the same age.

[quote]People have complained that the Ferris wheel scene at the end was cringe-inducing, but it's clear that the writers were trying to reduce the cringe by having Martin pretend he was someone else to Simon because he felt bad Simon was riding all alone on the Ferris wheel.

I thought the ending was too much like Drew Barrymore’s “Never Been Kissed”.

[quote]I've seen this freaking movie 5 times already, since it came out on Itunes. I'm watching it again tonight. Please, help!

Seriously? I’ve seen it 10 times already. I’m way beyond help.

[quote]For teen films I would recommend The Edge of Seventeen and Easy A, both of which stand up to repeated viewings and are genuinely subversive additions to the genre.

Love, love, love, Easy A...that’s when I became an Emma Stone fan!

R523, c’mon. The threat of that never reared its head in this baffling trifle. Be serious.

10 minute extended preview

Um, I liked Martin. Despite the flaws I liked the movie. We deserve a better gay romantic comedy / love story.

I like how Simon is the bottom, and Blue, the top in the book but it is the other way around in the movie.

If you want to watch a much better movie about a man coming out to his family, see "God's Own Country."

I thought the parents in the movie made his coming out all about themselves, especially the father. I got the sense they were both so wrapped up in themselves they didn't even know Simon very well. And what parents are okay with a female friend sleeping over with their supposedly heterosexual son?

I think the first one third of the movie is terrible. But after that, it picks up. It was McFlurry sweet and funny overall.

I like the use of the cast of “13 reasons why” in Love, Simon. But, still don’t know which character Colton Hayes played.

R534, he played the guy who hit on Simon at the bar. The scene was cut from the theatrical version of the film, though.

R530, there are no top/bottom dynamics in this sexless movie.

Oh, I see.

[quote] India has banned Love, Simon from being released

It's ridiculous that this gay teen rom com is branded as controversial in other parts of this word in 2018.

A lot of the world is still very homophobic and behind on gay rights r539, it is easy for us to overlook how fortunate we are to be in the western world.

[quote]it is easy for us to overlook how fortunate we are to be in the western world.

We're working on it!

I’m discreetly into dicks

I was okay with the first 20 minutes and then it was over for me. Never recovered it's superficial, slick charm. It became a "feel bad" movie about a weak gay teen submitting to blackmail without any faith in the love of his family and friends in what was depicted as a completely non-threatening environment. I mean, a high school that puts on Cabaret (which was a funny joke) seems pretty tolerant to me. When he started treating his friends like pawns... it was sick making. Can't imagine what any self-respecting person would see in this film.

He wasn't afraid of being outed, he was afraid of losing Blue.

R543 is an idiot.

I am surprised that r543 is still conscious after clutching his pearls so hard.

OMG! BLACKMAIL! BETRAYING HIS FRIENDS! Why, I never ...!

Yes, how pearl-clutching of us that we'd be shocked by blackmail. It's not like everyone doesn't engage in this (criminal) behaviour on a daily basis or anything.

I blackmail 5 people before lunch.

R543 is correct. The whole blackmail scenario, and how quickly Simon turned on his "friends," was bullshit.

In the book, the blackmail occurs in the very first chapter. In the movie, it doesn't happen until almost the 30 minute mark. And Simon only told two deliberate lies. He told Nick at the party that Abby had a boyfriend and he later told Nick in the cafeteria that Abby liked Martin. That second one is almost excusable given how Simon was so oblivious to hetero romance. He could have easily thought Abby liked Martin after their conversation in the car.

As for Simon telling Nick that Leah was into him, he actually thought that was true so it's tough to call that a lie. In his email to Blue on the night Leah slept over, he told Blue one of his (female) friends liked one of his (male) friends and the guy had no idea. He did not intend to deceive Nick in that case. Putting Martin in Abby's orbit and letting them interact is not turning on his friends, either.

Some people just want to dislike this film despite its overwhelmingly beneficial impact on gay society, especially gay youth. Sometimes hating the film requires the person to concoct some bullshit which is detached from reality.

Historically gay men were thought to be unfit for public service because they were susceptible to blackmail. They were thought to be security risks. It’s an ugly trope.

This film would’ve been interesting and enjoyable enough if it was just about Simon coming out, picking his moment, starting a romance, coming to terms with himself and sharing that with others. The whole blackmail thing was ugly. No one should ever submit to blackmail. When Martin said it to him, Simon should’ve come out immediately. Instead he gave away his considerable power, for no reason at all. He wasn’t under any real threat. It’s alarrming that people here think blackmail and deception are acceptable behaviours. They’re not.

Movies need drama and conflict in order for the happy ending to be satisfactory. I mean, do we really discuss the lack of value and merit of drama that comes with a fictional character getting blackmailed on Datalounge? I mean I could understand trolling but this is some SJW trolling that's on the same level as1 Million Moms shrieking (OMG, blackmail! Betrayal! How offensive! How uncouth!).

It doesn't even work dramatically because what does Simon actually have to lose? Nothing. There's no reason for him to submit to blackmail. Chances are, most of his friends probably suspect it's a possibility he could be gay anyway. The awkwardness of being a teenager is drama enough, made unique by being a gay teenager.

I'm afraid, R552, your values are seriously misplaced. What value does the so-called dramatic conflict actually have if you're shrugging it off as some requisite component anyway? It certainly wasn't compelling or weighty in its own right.

Can you SJW go write your own books? Nobody cares that you're triggered by blackmail as a plot device.

How could anyone watch this movie and not realize Simon is afraid of introducing change into his life and is afraid of losing Blue? Those dual fears allowed Martin's blackmail to take root. Every step Simon takes on his own related to his coming out process is due either to an email conversation with Blue or because he has no choice due to Martin's actions.

Simon directly says more than his fear of being outed, he was terrified that it would scare away Blue and he would never meet him. I don't get how you could miss that.

r556, trolls deliberately ignore that to troll and get under other posters' skin.

The blackmail device is fine and introduces drama into a scenario that would otherwise lack any. I think the film is lovely. My only gripe is that I think the story's structure would have been improved had Blue's identity been revealed to the audience at the end of the second act and then they could have shown Simon and Bram getting closer before they discover who Jacques and Blue actually are.

Why blackmail? They could've had more drama with a murder or kidnapping or a suicide to really drive home the point of teen suidicdes, especially gay trans women of color.

Cute movie. Just cute. No reasons to watch it again.

Target has the video featured big time in its Sunday ad. Say what you will but this movie is “mainstream”.

❤️ Simon! 😍

Anyone got the Target "exclusive" edition?

My copy came in the mail today and I watched it for the first time. I thought it was a really good movie. PG-13 movies are pretty limited with content and I think they did a good job. Nick was very believable. When I was in high school it was a time and place when coming out was not an option. I was not effeminate and pretty much stuck to the computer lab so I didn't have any problems. There were zero out gays in my HS in spite of it being almost 3000 students.

I liked the movie but feel kinda dumb I didn’t understand what motivated Simon was the fear of losing Blue. I’m reading the book right now after reading the emails I don’t get the sense that Blue is so afraid of being found out.

Simon wants to meet Blue at some point and Blue says he is not comfortable to reveal his identity yet. That's what causes the fear in Simon of losing Blue if Martin follows up on his threat (to out Simon and his email correspondence with Blue).

[quote] But Simon is more emotionally accessible and relatable, even if it is for the masses

[quote] But Simon is more emotionally accessible and relatable because it is for the masses.

Here I fixed it for you.

[quote]Anyone got the Target "exclusive" edition?

What does it have exclusively? Where can I purchase it?

the one on Netflix is much better

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Thanks, r569!

I'd say Alex Strangelove is three stars, Love, Simon is three and a half.

The former, while definitely a solid R-rating, has no more gay content than Love, Simon, but plenty of hetero.

R571 is not about gay content, to me it's about quality and Alex Strangelove is miles ahead Love, Simon. Especially in the kiss; that kiss (the one on Alex) was hot.

Wow just Blu-rayed it. Very disappointing. Tony Hale was awful and kept it from being a good movie. The wrong guy was Blue too. Wanted to love it, barely liked it. On the extras they actually cut out the two best scenes.

Those scenes were in the screening a saw in Los Angeles, r573. They are sorely missed in the general release.

That first deleted scene between Simon and Abby needed to be cut. It is nothing more than Simon being unnecessarily mean towards Nick. It served no purpose. The second deleted scene, which is really three scenes all of which are fine, aren't needed to advance the story in the rest of the film. The pre-bar scene and the bar scene highlight the friendship between Simon and Nick; but the film plays better with the distance between them in the final cut, although it was nice to see Simon actually enjoying being gay while at the bar. The post-bar scene when Simon arrives home from the bar has no context once the preceding scene is cut.

They should have left in the full frontal scene. I’m ok that Nick Robinson isn’t as hung as we had thought.

[quote]The pre-bar scene and the bar scene highlight the friendship between Simon and Nick; but the film plays better with the distance between them in the final cut, although it was nice to see Simon actually enjoying being gay while at the bar.

And they could have placed that right before the play and everyone would have believed Nick told the girls about it and forgave him and they decided to ask Simon to the carnival. Those scenes were literally the best they filmed including the Mother telling him off.

I agree, r576 and 575. The full-frontal and j/o scenes are integral to the plot, and I don't know why they were cut.

I guess you will need to wait for the unrated directors cut.

I had one quibble. You probably could guess what it is. I really was fine until Jennifer Garner says “you deserve everything you want.”

The idea of “I deserve this” was pretty prevalent and I guess it’s affirming. I guess. But it sort of knocked me into that place of “yes, cute young white boys in very rich neighborhoods in liberal communities are so very deserving. I hope it all works out for him. (Spoiler: it will)”

It’s sort of the white privilege version of affirmation

But I was able to sort of knock it aside enough to really be moved by him and his dad and to celebrate the ending... Mainly because the lead actor was so very god damned charming

Yeah but the final cut the Mother is the cliched therapist noble Mom who actually treats him like a patient where the cut scene where she goes after him for coming home drunk again gave her more depth.

[quote] The idea of “I deserve this” was pretty prevalent and I guess it’s affirming. I guess. But it sort of knocked me into that place of “yes, cute young white boys in very rich neighborhoods in liberal communities are so very deserving.

You should go to a shrink and get that checked out. Everybody deserves happiness. It's not a limited good only some deserve and others do not. Just because a fictional character gets his happy ending doesn't mean he stole it from a poor teen from the other side of the tracks.

Welcome to the real world r582. A lot of people don't get some Disney love ending in their life.

Even if we look at in terms of this movie, as that poster said sure the cute white masculine guy got his happy ending...but what about the chubby black queen? No, he probably would struggle to find his happy ending. That is how the real world works.

Welcome to the real world [R582].

Where you discuss Disney Happy Endings and complain they don't happen for everybody in the real world? You can either whine and complain about the problem, and have the nerve to speak for others sharing your issue for whatever reason, or quit your whining and look for a solution, but don't be an incel and blame others for your personal issues or hide behind others like a coward.

At first I was quite confused, but you meant to refer to my post. I'm not even the poster that wrote the comment you were responding to, but I was backing them up. There is a lot of truth to it.

I'm far from an incel, I've had probably too much sex, and a few boyfriends (though none worked out long-term, that is another part of the read world, a relationship is a beginning, not an ending)

I am just empathetic and realistic about the struggles people face in life. Interesting that people who raise that point you want to go on some angry rant and call them "cowards" and "incels". Your comments are far more illuminating about yourself than I think you realize.

r585. And your "I am just empathetic and realistic about the struggles people face in life" tells so much about yourself.

[quote] The idea of “I deserve this” was pretty prevalent and I guess it’s affirming. I guess. But it sort of knocked me into that place of “yes, cute young white boys in very rich neighborhoods in liberal communities are so very deserving.

[quote] Even if we look at in terms of this movie, as that poster said sure the cute white masculine guy got his happy ending...but what about the chubby black queen? No, he probably would struggle to find his happy ending.

That's what you are so empathetic about. That people STRUGGLE, because "Love, Simon" is about WHITE PRIVILEGE! It's TRIGGERING!

Think that's enough internet for you dear, perhaps you should go take a relaxing walk outside. I am moving on from this pointlessness.

I rather stay indoors or I might come across such a sad loser like you who's being triggered by my mere white privileged presence.

R582 spectacularly missed the point being made. Wow.

Where can I watch the deleted scenes? They’re not on the rental discs or the streaming rentals.

Here's one on Youtube.

Love, Simon won Best Kiss at the 2018 MTV Movie & TV Awards

Uh, spoiler alert?

[R582] spectacularly missed the point being made. Wow.

Oh really? How?

[quote] The idea of “I deserve this” was pretty prevalent and I guess it’s affirming. I guess. [bold] But it sort of knocked me into that place of “yes, cute young white boys in very rich neighborhoods in liberal communities are so very deserving. [/bold]

knocked into place = I am being triggered! / My established selfloathing kicked in that I am not worthy, because I am not a white, privileged teen like the fictional character in the fictional drama movie I am just watching. My pain, I feel while watching a scene that is supposed to be a happy and empowering one, is real! Because I am feeling excluded. EXCLUDED!

My reply to that?

[quote] You should go to a shrink and get that checked out.

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[quote] Everybody deserves happiness.

You deserve happiness, I deserve happiness, everybody is deserving of happiness. Why does it trigger you that a fictional character is being told by his fictional mother that he deserves happiness? Why is it condescending to you? Is it because of your own self loathing or the belief that privileged white teens are undeserving of happiness and take it away from other teens who deserve it more (aka treating happiness as a limited good)?

So please, dear r289 how did I "spectacularly" missed the point?

R594, triggered and over-reacting, and reading-in, is STILL MISSING THE FUCKING POINT THAT WAS CLEARLY BEING MADE.

Wow.

[quote]Why does it trigger you that a fictional character is being told by his fictional mother that he deserves happiness?

It doesn't, and that isn't the point. This is exactly why I say you missed the point spectacularly.

As if a cute rich white boy would ever have trouble finding love and happiness. It's kind of a foregone conclusion, isn't it? It's not about him being undeserving, you completely triggered dumbass.

I'm not sure you're smart enough to figure this out, what was ACTUALLY being stated there rather than what you distorted in that sick mind of yours, but maybe you can try again.

Fucking idiot.

[quote] It's kind of a foregone conclusion, isn't it?

No, it isn't. Everybody struggles including so called white, privileged closet cases. You just try to to validate yourself by demeaning others and their struggle to win some competition of who struggles more. Pathetic.

And I'm the one who's missing the point *LOL*.

Yes, you're missing the point as you keep misrepresenting and assuming the wrong things. You're really pathetic.

The fact that you even THOUGHT I was insinuating that he SHOUDLN'T deserve happiness says more about you than anything about me, as that's the furthest away from what I actually said. You're sick, sir.

There is no misrepresentation. It's all on you acting triggered that you have to endure some privilged white guy getting a happy ending. You can't even appreciate a fictional character's happy ending and instead have it to make it about your struggle trumping that fictional character's struggle. That tells me all I need to know about you.

Simon had no idea what he was getting himself into.

[quote] It's all on you acting triggered that you have to endure some privileged white guy getting a happy ending.

That's not what happened, and not what I said. Which is why I'm saying you misrepresented. You have no reading comprehension ability, and are projecting your own issues onto me. The problem is you.

[quote]You can't even appreciate a fictional character's happy ending and instead have it to make it about your struggle trumping that fictional character's struggle.

Nope, not even close to accurate. Man you are so full of shit.

Your projection of weird issues that were nowhere in the text of what I wrote (or subtext) says a lot about you, none of it good.

You are seriously fucked up and wrong.