Fran Lebowitz: 'You do not know anyone as stupid as Donald Trump'

Election night 2016 really was traumatic. It was honestly one of the worst experiences of my life. Mary! I know.

I kind of thought he was going to win.

I'm not surprised that Hillary fucked-up. Yeah, she got dealt some bad hands, esp. from the media, but she ran a terrible campaign.

Well Fran, we agree. We have never known anyone as dumb as Trump. But I think it should also be pointed out that we have never known anyone as lazy as you.

Perhaps if you had spent the past 4 decades writing incisive, cutting internationally recognized social commentary your current outrage would be more meaningful, not to mention acknowledged.

But you wrote two pamphlets in the 70s and have apparently spent the intervening years going to parties, and occasionally buying a new blue blazer.

Your comments as a citizen of the world are welcome. Imagine how much more weight they would carry if you had actually become the true social critic your early talent suggested was just around the corner.

FL hits on a point that really stands out to me. Why IS everybody so chickenshit these days?

My 80 year old dad marvels at how we all take our shoes off to go through airport security and can't bring our mouthwash with us.

So called "real men" are all supposed to be packing and only those limp wristed libruls are against guns? Maybe their whole idea of what constitutes bravery is a little backwards.

It's amazing to me that at this point in time, when we are beginning to understand the extend of Russia's meddling into our election and the overwhelming corruption involving Trump's campaign, you still want to pin this more or less on Clinton, R3.

If her campaign had been so terrible she would not have gotten four million more votes in the general.

If her campaign had been so terrible she would not have gotten three million more votes than Sen Sanders.

I don’t know who this woman is, but she sounds very out of touch with reality.

It seems like she hasn’t left Manhattan in the last 50 years.

[quote] I don’t know who this woman is

You sound like you haven't left your village in the last 50 years.

Lebowitz's general account of That Night echoes the US' account of That Night -

[quote]Election night 2016 really was traumatic. It was honestly one of the worst experiences of my life. Mary! I know.

I was here on DL watching the votes come in. I got scared very early. As soon as he moved ahead by the smallest of margins I started to get worried. A half hour later, I started to get sick to my stomach. I posted that and someone said they were feeling the same. So awful. With 9/11, I was in shock. With trump winning, I just felt fear and dread.

I haven’t been alive for 50 years, R8.

And I live in western PA, and it was very obvious to most people here that Trump was surging ahead in the month leading up to the election.

You just know R3 thinks that Sanders lost because of the "corrupt" DNC (never any evidence for it, btw). But Rusia, FBI, Facebook, Wikileaks, etc, etc... actively undermining Clinton - well, if she only ran a better campaign.

How can you not know who Fran is, R7? Seriously.

It wasn't Russian Meddling- we need to start calling it what it really was: Russiia’s CyberWarfare on American Soil - an attack by a hostile foreign power. This situation was in planned for at least 2 years. It worked.

Fran captured the evening perfectly. Every resident in Manhattan was in shock - we knew this piece of shit human being was nothing but A dim witted thief & con man all of his life. And a HORRIBLE RACIST. So Fran also got that part correct too.

I don’t know, R8, I just don’t know anything about her. I’m guessing she’s a writer?

I’m not googling it, because I really don’t care.

R7, you should watch Public Speaking, a documentary about Fran made by Martin Scorsese. You'll love her wit.

Here is the entire doc on YT:

I just hope she paces herself. She usually has four or five good bits that she overshares promoting whatever she's doing.

If I were batshit crazy rich, I'd fly Jonathan Taylor Thomas out to meet her. Then, I'd introduce canes. Then, I'd zip-line in Mason Reese decorated like a pinata.

It's like the entire country is suffering a massive outbreak of Morgellon's, on a mass scale.

She and her friends sound like MARYs. All rich spoiled and pampered. They honestly believe that trump wining is the worst thing to ever happen to them

Love Fran Lebowitz -

In a 90's Vanity Fair article about Hollywood, she commenced bitching about its lack of classic Leading Men, saying the only one who was close to the title was (a then gorgeous) George Clooney, adding, when asked about Brad Pitt, "Brad Pitt? He looks like a Trick."

[quote]They honestly believe that trump wining is the worst thing to ever happen to them

I don't see anything in the article that suggests what you say. She describes the horror of the election night, in a humorous way too, but nowhere does she say it's the worst thing that ever happened to her.

Looooooove this bitch. She truly summarizeswhat it felt like that night, I’ll never ever EVER forget it. For at least a month afterwards, I kept telling people that while the feelings were different, that I put the intensity up there with 9/11. And I still can’t believe it!

new yorkers know who and what trump is

SNL did it better.

I don't think he won without massive Russian intervention at the voting machines.

From Western PA and NY here, and I agree with R7, she does sound out of touch. I'm from a liberal area in Western PA. The people in this area aren't bigots, but they do love their guns. She really needs to get out of NY more and not just to places like L.A.

Yet he lost the popular vote, r11. Trump didn’t win because he “surged.” Bernie wasn’t even on the ballot and he still served as a spoiler. And he’s getting ready to do it again.

Thank you @R26

[quote][R7], you should watch Public Speaking, a documentary about Fran made by Martin Scorsese.

R7 probably won't watch because, well, "don't know, don't care."

For pretty much everyone else, though, it would be time well spent. Fran is captivating. I could listen to her all day, whatever topic she's discussing.

I normally do like her, r29, but aside from her observation about the election, her comments are extremely out of touch and actually do give a glimpse into why Democrats had a hard time connecting with middle America this election.

Thank you, r4. Lebowitz is a legend in her own mind.

i didn't think he could win either. I mean what with the grab em' by the pussy comments and all I figured he'd alienate pretty much all the women. Don't get me wrong, I know there are women out there who gave him a pass. But I have yet to see a breakdown by sex on voting. That will be interesting to see.

But then election night around 11PM I saw he was winning. Then looked outside - people marching in the streets shouting NOT MY PRESIDENT. It was awesome.

I would love to happen upon a bored, tipsy Fran, endlessly chain smoking in an airport First Class lounge. (She'd ignore the No Smoking rule.) She'd spill all sorts of delicious shit; offer me menthol cigarettes, one after the other; and graciously excuse herself to board her plane, leaving me to pay the bar tab for the honor of her company.

I had to laugh at her being 18 and scared in the big bad city. She's from Morristown, New Jersey barely an hour west of Manhattan.

"Fish, just a little salad, no dressing!"

[quote] her comments are extremely out of touch and actually do give a glimpse into why Democrats had a hard time connecting with middle America this election.

Such attitudes have been the storyline since Adlai Stevenson.

I thought about if I know anyone as dumb as Trump. It’s a girl I went to high school with, who now lives around the corner, we’re sometimes heading home at the same time so talk on our way home from work around once a week. She’s very nice, doesn’t have a mean bone in her body, unlike a Trump, but she’s dim. She has wacky beliefs, the kind of beliefs only not very bright people have, and certainly is every bit as dumb as Trump. Of course with her it doesn’t matter because she isnt President. However if she were president you could easily get in her ear and convince her of anything. She can’t seen to differentiate fact from fake news, she has zero understanding of science, she certainly doesn’t understand how the law works, she believes a lot of crazy stats and information she clearly read on the Internet and takes at face value.. I honestly think Trump is just like her in that way. Just no ability for complex thought and capable of believing a lot of stuff based on not much other that someone he likes told him so. It’s frightening, really.

I wasn't surprised that Trump won. You'd have to be pretty out of touch to think he wasn't going to win.

I was living in Texas during the time of the election, and I can tell you from experience that ever since Obama was first elected that people in the south and elsewhere have been FURIOUS that an ivy-league educated black man with a muslim name reached a higher status than them. 8 years of that festering anger is what got Trump elected.

No one turned out to vote for Romney because he had the personality of a wet noodle. But as for Trump, they loved him because he was just as loud and trashy as they are. Trump tapped into their anger and bigotry. The ugliness has always been there, Trump just gave people permission to express it.

Liberals often forgot that once you leave the bubble of major cities that the majority of the US is rural. The majority of the US is blue colllar, working class. Trump appeals to those people because they really think that minorities are the reason they struggle, not because of greedy corporations.

That article reads like a parody. If you are living in a world in which André Leon Talley is taken seriously then you are unlikely to have any thought relevant to most of your countrymen.

He is very stupid but more ignorant. Worse of all...he is evil.

You do understand r38 that rural USE to mostly blue collar. According to CEPR, "In 1970, blue-collar jobs were 31.2 percent of total nonfarm employment. By 2016, their share had fallen to 13.6 percent of total employment. ” We should no longer use blue collar as the litmus test of racism. However, we can make the case for white privilege, white identity as the culprit in Drumpf's election. If you voted for Trump, you are racist.

she's uglier than sin.

R34, this was NYC in the 1970s, garbage strikes, muggings, porn. Not the cleaned up version of today.

I essentially agree with you, R38. One could see the Obama backlash coming miles away. I'd just change your underlying thesis from "the majority of the US is rural" to "the majority of the US are ignorant assholes."

Ignorant assholes + Obama backlash = Trump.

Explain how Hillary Clinton won some of the most red counties in the most red states.

White men always fuck things up but white women really stuck it to Hillary in 2016. So maybe Fran should examine this more closely. Being white and female herself.

Examples, R45?

Explain how Trump won historically pro-union Democratic strongholds like western PA.

Fran can do no wrong

[quote]her comments are extremely out of touch

In a sense that’s true, in this garbage-eating, garbage-thinking culture of ours. Making sense is extremely out of touch these days.

I suspect voting machines were at play in the swing states as well. Then the state Republicans (Michigan, Wisconsin) refuse to do any recounts despite the margin of victory was razor thin.

Now Trump fires FBI's McCabe (cruelly - just a couple days before his retirement) and threatens Mueller because he doesn't like what he's investigating.

And again - crickets from Republicans and complicity. Sorry, there is just no intellectual basis to support the Republican Party. Oh - and she's right about the gun people living in the middle of nowhere with no real threat to their security - it's just so they can feel bad ass with their guns.

[R19], you make perfect sense. If Hilary had won, Fran would be eloquently bitching about something else. I enjoy "Social Studies", & her first book, wh. I can't remember the title of. It seemed, however, I was in a serious minority. Nobody I gave the books to thought she was clever or funny. Just m'eh..,

[QUOTE]Explain how Hillary Clinton won some of the most red counties in the most red states.

Trump won by the skin of his teeth. There was no huge groundswell of support for him. If his approval rating stays at 45% or below and the Dems nominate a candidate like Joe Biden who can reach 47-50% of the popular vote while securing PA and WI, he’s a one-term President.

Yes he is an obtuse narcissist with a below average IQ. However, what struck me most about this article is the grotesque name dropping. Eww. So extra.

R53 seems to have seen something most of us didn't. She's Fran Lebowitz. It's not name dropping for her. It's telling an accurate and precise story about the election.

Your used of the term "extra" tells us who and what you are. Reel it in, sister. This pond isn't stocked with your kind of catch.

Fran is one of my favorite people! Anyone else see the documentary about her? Fantastic! I believe both Amazon and Netflix have it.

R50, nah, it wasn't voting machines. I was living in Western PA during the election. It was clear to us here that the region was leaning Trump despite what the polls were saying. A few of us even tried to discuss it on DL and were labeled BernieBros and Russians. The same for Wisconsin and Michigan, like PA, both are rust belt states.

I started worrying when Brexit won, then when she was sick with pneumonia, then when the poll numbers for Trump recovered after pussygate, then about had an infarction with the Comey letter. I still thought she would win, but couldn't get results for hours on Election Day because our internet AND 4G went out, which has never happened before or since. By the time I got on here I think half of DL was drunk and crying.

I was laughing at FL's description of her friends that night but I felt like I lived it, too.

Can’t stand this vile entitled NYC asshole -she has had writers block since the 1970’s and yet tries to stay relevant by vomiting up some social diatribe every five years or so

[QUOTE]It was clear to us here that the region was leaning Trump despite what the polls were saying. A few of us even tried to discuss it on DL and were labeled BernieBros and Russians. The same for Wisconsin and Michigan, like PA, both are rust belt states.

It didn’t help that the Democrats nominated the poster child for Washington corruption.

Even still, the fact that Trump barely won against her while losing the popular vote doesn’t bode well for him. Hillary Clinton won’t be on the ballot next time.

R38, any gut feeling which way will 2018 go? Are those voters seeing the light or not? I'm seriously asking.

[quote]It didn’t help that the Democrats nominated the poster child for Washington corruption.

How is Hillary Clinton a poster child for Washington corruption?

Please, support your detailed answer with links.

Thanks for staying at home in 2016. Or penciling in Sanders. Whichever.

[quote]8 years of that festering anger is what got Trump elected.

may they all die miserably, to be so small-minded is criminal

I certainly agree with Fran about the abomination in the White House, but I also agree with r[4] and r [31] that Fran is lazy and has wasted her talent. At least Dorothy Parker produced as well as sitting around the Round Table and sneering

[quote]but I also agree with r[4] and r [31] that Fran is lazy

She's the first person to admit that she's lazy.

Funny, I was just watching a interview she did in Australia this week (see link) and the interviewer was quoting from and questioning her about a book she wrote in 1978. It sounded ridiculous.

Election night was surreal. I stayed up until 3 AM (east coast) and I think I got 2 hours sleep. I don’t think I’ve had a good night sleep since.

I cannot WAIT to fucking vote, though. And I’m volunteering at the polls too. Fuck Trump, fuck the deplorables and FUCK RUSSIA.

R59, it's clear from your post that you feel resentful. And since you are not a Clinton voter, here is what interests me.

Did you feel vindicated when she lost on Nov 8? And if so, do you secretly feel that Dems (politicians and voters) got what they deserve?

[quote]It's amazing to me that at this point in time, when we are beginning to understand the extend of Russia's meddling into our election and the overwhelming corruption involving Trump's campaign, you still want to pin this more or less on Clinton, [R3].

Those people will never give up. The only people I know still obsessed with Hillary Clinton are deplorables and the media. Besides, she won the popular vote. Anyone still beating the “Hillary lost!” drum is not ever going to catch up with reality. The last election was stolen. WAKE UP.

[quote]I cannot WAIT to fucking vote, though. And I’m volunteering at the polls too. Fuck Trump, fuck the deplorables and FUCK RUSSIA.

remember, ALL politics is local

I ADORE HER. i'd pay to have a loooong lunch with her.

Is she interested in other people? - you only ever hear her making her statements.

Seems to she's NOT an animal lover. Watching her recent videos today, she made it clear on several occasions that she's not into animals and doesn't like dogs. In general the people I like, like dogs and animals. Jus sayin.

^the biggest frau who ever fraued

^animal hater. ^eats dogs

[quote]I ADORE HER. i'd pay to have a loooong lunch with her.

You'd pay someone to have lunch with you? You must be great company.

fran is extremely ugly.

Fran Lebowitz isn't lazy. She is not a prolific writer of books. But she has been on the lecture circuit for YEARS, I think she makes her money that way. And she writes articles. And she is a talk show guest, for years. And part of her identity is being Fran Lebowitz salonist - she goes to parties and functions. All the time. She's not lazy.

[quote]Is she interested in other people? - you only ever hear her making her statements.

One of my favorite Fran quotes is, "The opposite of talking isn't listening. The opposite of talking is waiting."

i am, R73. I just don't think she'd voluntarily go to lunch with me, a total nobody.

i wouldn't be caught dead with someone that ugly.

they photographed her in bed?

Fran describes herself as the laziest person in the world. If you don't think she's lazy, take it up with her.

That wallpaper - in a bedroom? Gurl, NO!

She cultivates that image but she really isn't lying around doing nothing day after day. That's what I mean.

I blieve that Putin ordered our voting machines tampered with. And polls? One thing I know about polls...for some reason, young people think it is funny to lie when answering polls. I never could really understand that except a lot of people have no interest in politics at all, they only care about their own little lives. They don't understand that they are liberal but Republicans are rightwingers.

Older woman have a habit of not thinking for themselves, they often just side with the strongest man in the room...that is the reason, many women are not good on a jury. Sorry ladies.

Oh do shut up r84. Older women are the ones who’ve lived through the most bullshit and have very little patience for it.

why do you gush when she's butt-ugly?

R38, you are right to an extent. Many of the people in blue collar areas who voted for Trump, also voted for Obama in 2012. They are not all racists

These people have seen their livelihoods collapse around them, and traditional politicians were not providing or could not articulate solutions to their plight. The were ripe for Trump's picking.

In hindsight, the Democrats should have run Sanders. Look at his approval ratings among the young and other groups. Clinton was seen as "entitled." Trump voters were willing to overlook his misogyny in large part because Hillary overlooked her husband's behavior.

Neither Sanders (no meat) nor Clinton (little flaws that people magnified + perceived or real arrogance). There should have been a younger, fresher candidate.

Anyhow, the election was obviously Clinton's and a couple actors made sure that didn't happen. Russia, FBI, and te MEDIA. Who knows who else. The media took Trump seriously when he should have been ripped to shreds non-stop. Not enough voters really understood what a charlatan he is. They should have, but people are very very dense and Trump was VERY VERY good at grifting and hypnotism and the media game. He was amusing to watch on his feet, thought its a pity this got him elected. I was fascinated and horrified by his performance.

A younger, fresher candidate? Why? How about the most qualified candidate regardless of age?

I've been seeing a lot of ageist remarks in this regard. It looks like Boris and crew have a new set of divide and conquer talking points. Now the divisiveness is related to age.

R61 Gay Marry Me!

[quote] R3: I'm not surprised that Hillary fucked-up. Yeah, she got dealt some bad hands, esp. from the media, but she ran a terrible campaign.

Plus she caught pneumonia at the worst possible time. She kept a rigorous schedule right up to when she collapsed. I wish we had a President today who was as tough.

R88 Ibelieve that the person most responsible in “the Media” for elevating Grifter and diminishing Clinton is the man that is now The NYTimes National Political Editor.

His name is Patrick Heally, he was so excellent at attacking HRC with BULLSHIT for 10 years the Sulzberger family actually gave him the National Political Editor Job 2 weeks ago. This is the guy that accumulated 10’s of thousands of words describing her marriage when she was Senator (cause the marriage to Bill was most important) and when not doing that he has the distinction of writing an entire column describing Her laughter “it sounds like a ‘Cackle.“

NYTimes, 50 years of unimpeded, overt Sexism. Add helping destroy the most qualified Presidential Candidate in recent Modern History. Because Patrick elevated Trump.

[quote] R19: She and her friends sound like MARYs. All rich spoiled and pampered. They honestly believe that trump wining is the worst thing to ever happen to them

I don’t think they said that, R19. People should have been disgusted, though. I still can’t believe he gets the title “President”. After he’s removed from office, I hope they strip him of every courtesy and privilege given to former Presidents, including the title. How does “Mr. Con-man” sound?

[quote] R30: I normally do like her, [R29], but aside from her observation about the election, her comments are extremely out of touch and actually do give a glimpse into why Democrats had a hard time connecting with middle America this election.

Her comments were well in touch with how a lot of people think and feel, and not just in NYC.

[quote]His name is Patrick Heally, he was so excellent at attacking HRC with BULLSHIT for 10 years the Sulzberger family actually gave him the National Political Editor Job 2 weeks ago.

He was pretty good at the Broadway beat, though. I wish he was still on it.

And that's why we have President Trump, r94.  Good job!

That is not why we have Trump, R96. I know some of you like to peddle the "out of touch" scenario, which, of course is not true. There is no one more out of touch than Trump. What he was in touch with, and has in common with his base, are racism, bigotry and misogyny.

Trump is a stupid man. Clearly below average.

He refuses to apply himself, such as by reading or listening to the daily briefing. This means he’s almost as ignorant today than he was when he started. He declares the Iran deal as awful, but I doubt he knows much about it.

He’s mentally ill. He’s a narcissist and megalomaniac with delusions. He’s a bully and coward.

He might have dementia, but it’s hard to tell, given all the above.

And, he has a traitorous relationship with Putin. I hope he lives long enough to be executed.

I'll add, R96, that you display the logic of someone who sat out the election or voted for you know who. This is how it goes:

- it should have been Bernie

- Dems made sure he didn't win

- Trump wins

- good job, Dems!

[quote]Seems to she's NOT an animal lover. Watching her recent videos toda

try english, people will understand you much better

R97, keep telling yourself that.  PA, WI and MI -- three rust belt states -- that flipped from Obama to Trump didn't vote from Trump because they were racists, misogynist etc.

I voted Clinton, r99.  And I say that you personify someone who doesn't learn for their mistakes.  And if you think Bernie or another progressive is the way to go then you are really as out of touch as Fran Liebowitz. There's a reason why Conor Lamb, a Blue Dog democrat won in PA-18 -- he's pro-gun, pro-tariffs, pro-fracking and pro-union.

So back to Fran. I've always wondered how she supports herself in expensive NYC. Do lecture fees cover her expenses? Have always thought some mega-rich guy like Diller or Geffen gives her a yearly stipend just to be his court jester.

R102, she’s cheap. She hates technology. I don’t think she even has a computer, and certainly not a mobile device. No car. You can live cheaply in a rent controlled apartment after decades if your utility bills are home phone, cable TV, and electric.

She looks like a man. A fugly old man

[quote]Your used of the term "extra" tells us who and what you are. Reel it in, sister. This pond isn't stocked with your kind of catch.

How delightful. Once again, DL's latent classist and racist inclinations manifest themselves in a cunty little aside.

Fran has a very calculated image of a austerely dressed lesbian who is not troubled by all things frivolously female.

But like most women she indeed is somewhat vain. She certainly was NOT 18 years old in the seventies. She seems unaware of the internet.

does the frau still smoke? she was alwys so very proud of filliin her lungs and ev body elses with poison...

And nobody's commented on the dyed hair. Ye gods.

she was so very proud of not stopping smoking fer no body

how is her throat cancer these days?

[quote][R102], she’s cheap. She hates technology. I don’t think she even has a computer, and certainly not a mobile device. No car. You can live cheaply in a rent controlled apartment after decades if your utility bills are home phone, cable TV, and electric.

Fran owns a $3,1 million condo in Chelsea.

[quote]I voted Clinton, [R99]. And I say that you personify someone who doesn't learn for their mistakes. And if you think Bernie or another progressive is the way to go then you are really as out of touch as Fran Liebowitz.

If you think I voted for Sanders than you completely missed what I wrote at R99. Completely.

HAPPY WITH UR PREZ; U DWEEBS WHO VOTED FER DRUMPF????

Everyone on the left has the exact same election day story. *yawn*

Also, Fran looks like a cross between Larry King and Gene Simmons in that photo.

Out of character, IMO, are her cowboy boots.

Where does she live in Chelsea? I'm surprised i haven't seen her around.

[quote][R102], she’s cheap. She hates technology. I don’t think she even has a computer, and certainly not a mobile device. No car. You can live cheaply in a rent controlled apartment after decades if your utility bills are home phone, cable TV, and electric.

Seems Fran has money, from somewhere. When she was on Jimmy Fallon's show Fran talked about how he outbid her on the apartment she really wanted to buy.

Fran eventually bought an apartment, at the Chelsea Mercantile at 252 Seventh Avenue...for THREE million.

R56 - - thanks for the common sense! The reason that the numbers in those states were so similar a plurality for Trump is that the demographics are similar in those places, where enough voters decided that they just didn't want four years of Clinton, wrongly taking Trump at his word that he could be a grown-up. Her support had been rolling since the final debate, but the lagging polls were not catching it quickly, which is why it may seem that it was a sudden grab, when actually on Election Day she wasn't doing very well.

[quote]Everyone on the left has the exact same election day story. *yawn*

Nov 8 was traumatic for millions and, apparently, boring to some like yourself. What can you do.

[quote]Nov 8 was traumatic for millions and, apparently, boring to some like yourself. What can you do.

I can yawn. Which I did.

Or, I could as that everyone will please stop telling their story. It's self- involved and hyperbolic and it makes it seem that leftists have never experienced true trauma in their lives. Otherwise, they would put a lost election in perspective and advocate for good candidates next time, without drawing attention to themselves by continually talking about how traumatized they were on November 8, 2016.

*ask

R113 I disagree. Fran really looks more like Howard Stern's long-lost sister! Despite her appearance, I'm a fan. I would relish the opportunity to share few glasses of neat Scotch with her, and smoke up a storm. Although I must admit a weakness for old cantankerous lefty Jewish lesbians.

While she does resemble Howard Stern, Fran has based her 'look' on Oscar Wilde. How can anyone miss the resemblance.

R118 Yes! It is similar to the SNL bit up thread in which the 2 black guys(Chappelle and Rock) observe a room full of "woke" white people behaving as if the Trump win was the end of their world. One even said, "This is the worst thing white people have ever doe to blacks."

Meanwhile Chappelle's and Rock's ( listening with their jaws agape ) heads nearly explode.

And I love how these proud progressives slowly expose their racism-lite as the evening progresses.

Quite right R121, though she lacks the same quality of hair. She may even be Wilde himself reincarnated!

R122, I've lived through many presents, Trump IS the worst thing to ever happen to the US presidency, yet the illiterate white working class who voted for him simply won't get it, until they see how much worse their lives have become. Until they see he's not to going to help them one iota, then, hopefully those morons will wake up.

For instance, Trump knows nothing about health insurance, some secretary has been sending in his monthly premium checks to some insurance company for years, do you think he has any idea how health insurance works and the loopholes some go through to get diagnostic tests even though they pay their premiums? That schmuck Tome Price was going on about some health insurance plan to "cover what you need". How the fuck does that work, does anyone anticipate getting cancer?! All they do is lie, twist their bullshit, then lie some more.

All Trump & Co want to do is get the 'takers' off Medicaid, he basically wants to slash all entitlements and then it's basically, "You're all on your own." I don't see him trying to figure out why health costs are so high in the US and to find a better way, such as Medicare for all. Medicare works despite what the GOP wants the public to think. All they do is lie. I

How about asking the insurance companies and big pharma why everything is so costly, they aren't going to tell the truth, greed. In fact, we don't even need healthcare companies. They are big bloated institutions with no real purpose, what are they good for? Denying you tests? The only people in healthcare who should get paid are doctors, nurse, technicians and people who are actually working on your health, not pencil pushers. Get rid of the healthcare industry all together.

That tool Paul Ryan has ben thinking about Medicaid and 'entitlement reform' reform since he was in college. That piece of shit wouldn't have a career if he didn't live off his dead father's Social Security, yet he wants to dismantle all entitlement programs! I never got the word 'entitlement;? Lyin' Ryan seems to forget everyone has paid into their Social Security from their very first paycheck.

The rich? All they wanted were their tax breaks, they could give a shit about everyone else. The deplorables? Instead of picking themselves by their bootstraps and retrain for other work, it's so easy to blame immigrants and 'illegals' taking their jobs away. These imbeciles are waiting for "clean coal" jobs to come back!

Trump played into a certain segment of the US's racism and that's basically how he got elected. It's not just white working class people who are racist.

Drain the swamp? What an utter load of shit, Trump has managed to set up a rogues gallery of the slimiest pieces of shit from the corporate world.

We are doomed.

[quote]Or, I could as that everyone will please stop telling their story.

No one forces you to read them.

[quote]Otherwise, they would put a lost election in perspective and advocate for good candidates next time, without drawing attention to themselves by continually talking about how traumatized they were on November 8, 2016.

Ultimately, every person voted for who they considered to be a good candidate (including Trump voters). And you won't find many people backing off from the opinion they had on the day they cast their vote. If you are saying that people should change their criteria of what a good candidate is, that would be a legitimate conversation - fix the criteria and then find the candidate. I suppose, for the Dems that would mean to find the safest candidate for 2020. But then, can we agree on who the safest candidate would be? Doubtful.

"I've lived through many presidents", damn auto-correct! LOL

[quote]Ultimately, every person voted for who they considered to be a good candidate (including Trump voters). And you won't find many people backing off from the opinion they had on the day they cast their vote. If you are saying that people should change their criteria of what a good candidate is, that would be a legitimate conversation - fix the criteria and then find the candidate. I suppose, for the Dems that would mean to find the safest candidate for 2020. But then, can we agree on who the safest candidate would be? Doubtful.

It's unfortunate that the working class Middle Americans bought into Trump's bullshit, native New Yorkers have always known what a grifter, carnival barker and poor businessman Trump has always been.

Most New Yorkers didn't drink the Kool Aid, sure most of Staten Island and certain parts of Long Island likely voted Trump, but savvy New Yorkers always knew Trump was a imbecilic low class blowhard.

I fucking cried on election night. After I did math calculations for about 10 minutes and realized HRC couldn't get the electoral. I literally was sobbing. It felt like death when that clown "won." I hope Mueller sticks it to him and his grifter ass family.

So, who's the real dummy Fran?

I was in a state of shock, and took to drink almost immediately when Agent Orange pulled into the lead. I'm not even American, but I live here and love this country. I also felt seriously depressed and anxiety ridden for a few months.

This guy looks like Fran!

R124. Sure, I understand. But they were saying to two black men that Trump's election was the worst thing America has done to blacks.

You do see how insane that is right?

[quote]why do you gush when she's butt-ugly?

Because she’s not a fucking YouTube “star.” Moron.

R131 Spot on! Looks a bit like PM Benjamin Disraeli w/long hair. Do you know the bloke on the note?

[quote][[R102]], she’s cheap. She hates technology. I don’t think she even has a computer, and certainly not a mobile device. No car. You can live cheaply in a rent controlled apartment after decades if your utility bills are home phone, cable TV, and electric.

How can you not know she has a car, if you claim to know so much about her?

[quote]How can you not know she has a car, if you claim to know so much about her?

That person obviously knows nothing about Fran, they didn't know she owns a 3 million dollar apartment!

Interviewers tend to ask her the same questions over and over. It's become a bit of a cliché.

The writing block. New York was cooler in the 70s. Fear of technology....& on it goes.

Does she have a "special lady friend"?

Thats a limitation of the "interviewers" not Lebowitz, who manages to be interesting on many topics. She does fine on Maher, for example.

r138 Yes. Two of them, in fact.

Does she have a country home because I'm not seeing any of her stuff in that apartment.

R4, you forgot her occasional guest appearances “acting” as a judge on Law & Order.

The election was bad, but the onslaught of homophobic, racist, misogynistic comments that spewed from many of his supporters the following day (and week) after was by far the worst.

från leibowitz is one of the most brilliant wits and minds out there. she always has been. she is blatantly saying how out of touch she was regarding the election. that is the point of the article. it is incredible to me that though she's an extremely respected writer and mind. and she owns a $3 million chelsea penthouse. as well as an old pearl grey checker cab which she keeps in excellent condition. and she is always on every guest list for every party in nyc. martin scorcese made a documentary about her and her life for hbo. martin scorcese. because he is such a fan. toni morrison is her best friend. keith richards sent her a drum set for her birthday. on and on. when she's discussed on dl suddenly the fact that she's "ugly" instantly comes into play. or that she doesn't seem to like animals. or that she's lazy. wow. it seems to me that she's doing just fine. she's not looking to sleep with and/or meet anybody on here. so to everyone going off about her being ugly--i say congratulations. that 's very trump of you. bravo. perfect. and don't forget to let me know when martin scorcese is shooting that documentary on you and your life? let us know. so that we can keep that weekend clear.

[quote] [bold]she is blatantly saying how out of touch she was regarding the election. that is the point of the article.[/bold]

I had to bold this, because so many people miss the point. She admits that she did not see it coming. Her story is meant to be a lesson.

Everything we talk about politics-wise since the election has to do with acquiring awareness of what this country really is like.

Stories like hers illuminate the process and need to be told

r144 Sweetie, there are things called "capital letters" and "paragraphs." Please look into them.

R146, you are correct and you're also an asshole about it.

Fran really does look like Howard Stern’s uglier brother/sister, especially in OP’s pic.

She should really drop the smoking habit though. It’s very passé, and doesn’t fit with whatever fake hip image she’s trying to project.

She doesn't smoke to be hip, you dimwit.

What else should she do to fit in with your gay2018 sensibilities, R148?

Oh, right...go to the gym, bleach her teeth, post selfies on Instagram...

R150, a few posters above were talking about how Trump and Ryan are evil because they don’t care about rising health care costs.

I’m just saying Fran should do her part to help lower costs and quit smoking. She’s like a walking billboard for lung cancer.

Digging in deeper, asshole. Yes smokers big sin is how much it cost the health care pool. What else is on the list. Oh I know, lets kill the pozzies and PrEPers. The fast food eaters. etc etc

Fucking twit - take it elsewhere - you can't participate in this thread on any level.

And she's not "frugal". Her clothing while not amazing to look at is all custom.

R34, you must be unaware that there are people who spend their whole lives in Brooklyn and are afraid to take the subway into Manhattan, let alone actually live there.

With her wit, Fran Lebowitz should be a gay icon at the DL. And she was a very nice looking Jewish girl in her youth:

There is very little with left on DL, R156, so how could it be appreciated.

[quote]Does she have a country home because I'm not seeing any of her stuff in that apartment.

Guess you don't know how NYC real estate works, those were photos of Fran's place before she bought it. That apartment was staged for prospective buyers. Most co-ops, condos and houses are staged to make an impact on buyers.

Do you honestly think Fran allowed strangers in to photograph her apartment after she bought it?

R156 she looks like a demented and uglier version of Todd Rundgren with an Oscar Wilde wig on. She was ugly then nd became even uglier the older she became.

Not to mention that she is being interviewed by the voice of Hermey The Elf himself,Paul Soles! How gay can one get?

Oh and Orson Bean was more interesting here. She came across as a pretentious prig.

I meant: she looks like a demented and uglier version of Todd Rundgren with an Oscar Wilde wig on. She was ugly then became even uglier in her old age.

All these "she's ugly" posters sound completely retarded. You wish you had one ounce of Fran's smart.

The problem is people will no longer be "shamed" - This is so ridiculous - really you people believe the Russians influenced the election? You realize Russia has 1/18th our Economy? Additionally the media was absolutely smugly confident Trump would lose. All people that voted for Trump are racists? You do realize that only 37% of white people voted for Hillary Clinton. That means in your estimation across this wide wide country 63% or so, probably slightly less due to non voters - you are saying the 63% of our white people are racists? The thing that surprises me is how absolutely malible the wee little liberal brain is to be so completely out of touch with reality and just scoop scoop scooping the slop up that the media feeds you living in your bubbles - and I am NOT on the other side mind you - I really am not - YOU PEOPLE BETTER WAKE UP - you better figure out what is really going on - and trust me its not Putin running the world.

Put down the pipe, hon.

cunt

Fran's fingers have seen a lot of action.

R146 oh dear. the use of the patronizing "sweetie" to make a brilliant point. all at once i am greeted with the lovechild of an average sad unsatisfied nasty mean old judging queen. mixed with a dreadful sour wrong side of 35 frustrated career woman. the one with frosted highlights being pulled through that cap at the beauty parlor circa '74. the customer none of the interns want to shampoo. lemme guess--you work at a bank. your own desk. but not your own office. eat lunch by yourself. always. needs to remind everyone at the next all-staff that we still have assigned parking spaces. it's not just a free-for-all. last time we went through this tow trucks were needed.

i mean, thanks for the good advice and kind help here. it is editorial gold.

Listen doll, punctuate correctly or keep your trap shut.

I love you R53

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[quote]It amazes me how out of touch these elitists are. I worked for a while in the US and was not at all surprised that Trump won, I worked with people I know would have voted for him, but here is someone [Fran Lebowitz] so ensconced in their little bubble that they become clueless. Ultimately these “commenting sages” are just sad little tykes who spend their lives figuring out how to get people to take notice of them and, like Trump, feelings of deep down insecurity fuel their insatiable need to be noticed. Their deepest fear is that they will discover that they are as insignificant as the rest of us. —EricWent

The usual DL thread, an interesting conversation which develops into typical 'pointless bitchery' by people who know virtually nothing about the topic at hand. Most of the posts in this thread do point to people having no idea who Fran Lebowitz is.

Ho-Hum! 🙄🙄🙄

R170,

I know who she is.

I don’t care about her.

But, I cared enough to post, at R169, a good comment which accurate describe Fran Lebowitz.

[quote]accurate describe

accurately describes

I cannot unsee the resemblance to Howard Stern

[quote] The problem is people will no longer be "shamed" - This is so ridiculous - really you people believe the Russians influenced the election? You realize Russia has 1/18th our Economy?

Everyone associated with Trump has ties to Russia, including his children. Russians invested in troll farms that were created to influence voters. Russians hacked into voting machines and they hacked board of elections data. Russians funneled money into the GOP. But no of course they didn't influence an election that produced a tiny margin of victory (7000 votes from 3 states) and 1 of 5 electoral vote wins/popular vote loss.

[quote] Additionally the media was absolutely smugly confident Trump would lose.

Are you referring to the mainstream media that constantly reported on the tightening race because the "horse race" narrative drives ratings.

[quote] All people that voted for Trump are racists? You do realize that only 37% of white people voted for Hillary Clinton. That means in your estimation across this wide wide country 63% or so, probably slightly less due to non voters - you are saying the 63% of our white people are racists?

62 million people voted for Donald Trump

According to the United States Election Project, nearly half of eligible voters (46.9 percent of approximately 231,556,622 people) did not vote in the 2016 election.

Trump ran a campaign on little more than white supremacy and xenophobia. Which is not unusual for Republicans.

[quote] The thing that surprises me is how absolutely malible the wee little liberal brain is to be so completely out of touch with reality and just scoop scoop scooping the slop up that the media feeds you living in your bubbles - and I am NOT on the other side mind you - I really am not - YOU PEOPLE BETTER WAKE UP - you better figure out what is really going on - and trust me its not Putin running the world.

Wealthy Republicans would join forces with Satan himself; if they thought it would facilitate their needs.

[quote] It amazes me how out of touch these elitists are. I worked for a while in the US and was not at all surprised that Trump won, I worked with people I know would have voted for him, but here is someone [Fran Lebowitz] so ensconced in their little bubble that they become clueless. Ultimately these “commenting sages” are just sad little tykes who spend their lives figuring out how to get people to take notice of them and, like Trump, feelings of deep down insecurity fuel their insatiable need to be noticed. Their deepest fear is that they will discover that they are as insignificant as the rest of us. —EricWent

We know that the country has been divided in half politically since at least 2000 (Bush v. Gore). The fact that at least 40% of the electorate will vote Republican, regardless, is not news to liberals or anyone else with a brain. For God's sake G.W. Bush was elected twice. The majority of whites have voted Republican for the last 50 yrs.

Fran Lebowitz is an entertaining pundit, but her output has been almost nothing. She's basically a smart socialite. If she were young today, she'd probably be a reality star or an influencer.

People who lives in big cities are out of touch with rural people generally. And vice versa. Because they are fundamentally two different worlds. And the more times you use the words flyover and deplorable, the more they are going to vote Republican out of spite.

I guess that Fran being an out lesbian is a negative in the DL today, yes or no?

[quote] She's basically a smart socialite.

Really smart.

[quote] There is very little with left on DL, [R156], so how could it be appreciated.

WIT

gah!

[quote] People who lives in big cities are out of touch with rural people generally. And vice versa. Because they are fundamentally two different worlds. And the more times you use the words flyover and deplorable, the more they are going to vote Republican out of spite.

Again Democrats haven't won the majority of the white vote in 50 yrs. Republican voters are not only out of touch with city dwellers; they are also out of touch with themselves. They almost bankrupted Kansas, Louisiana, and they voted themselves into the poverty of The Great Recession.

[quote]People who lives

Oh, dear.

Brava R144! Fran is a gift, and actually incredibly social if you’re ever lucky enough to meet her. An NYC gem, and she sold her old apartment that she bought for a song for a much larger song, smart indeed.

R38, you weren't surprised he won? Even Trump was surprised. He told Melanie they weren't going to win that night. Just looking at the whole family on stage for his acceptance speech told you these people weren't expecting to win.

[quote]And the more times you use the words flyover and deplorable, the more they are going to vote Republican out of spite.

And you think that reflects well on THEM?

You don't read where Democrats are voting democrat because of something Scott Baio or James Woods said. But you sure do read a lot of Republicans threatening to vote Republican because of Hollywood, because of intellectuals, etc. etc.

She’s like an elderly, more insufferable version of Lens Dunham.

She's never had a proper partner.

Vanessa Trump will cut a bitch. Tiffany won't snitch.

R183, no it doesn't reflect well on them. It is stupid. But stupid people vote.

Fran is a hoot!

No doubt Fran could have made as many changes to the Manhattan skyline as Trump has made if there hadn't been so many cigarettes that needed smoking.

She's sexy!

R167 now it's "doll"? please more. and- "keep your trap shut?" it's too great. find more wrong with my posts in regards to punctuation. we need a-"toots. cookie. dearie. youse." bring 'em on. so far it's like i'm living in a ginger rogers double feature. KITTY FOYLE/ROXIE HART. your name is phyllis, right? vi? no! it's kay! i bet it's kay! keep going. this is a virtual virtual reality game without the headset thingy.

[quote]Also, Fran looks like a cross between Larry King and Gene Simmons in that photo.

R113 nailed it. This is exactly what Fran looks like in OP's photo.

[quote] R103: She’s cheap. She hates technology. I don’t think she even has a computer, and certainly not a mobile device. No car. You can live cheaply in a rent controlled apartment after decades if your utility bills are home phone, cable TV, and electric

[quote] Fran Lebowitz: “It turns out that I don't actually like owning an apartment. I have the soul of a renter.” From a Dec 2012 interview.

[quote] “Fran Lebowitz Doesn’t Have an iPhone Because Yours Will Do, Thank You” - from a Dec 2012 interview.

[quote] Fran Lebowitz doesn’t have a computer, either. From a Oct 2, 2016 interview.

So, I was wrong about the car.

[quote]Fran Lebowitz: “It turns out that I don't actually like owning an apartment. I have the soul of a renter.” From a Dec 2012 interview.

Reading comprehension problems? You linked something she said in 2012, to prove she's a renter?! When she's obviously not. In fact, she owned another apartment before her current one.

Fran owns a three million dollar condo apartment, the article is from FEBRUARY 08, 2017.

Fran is in line for lung transplant??

is there really a pic of her fingering kate Bosworth?

[quote]Oh and Orson Bean was more interesting here. She came across as a pretentious prig.

He's funnier there, too. She looks a little uncomfortable when he starts interjecting and getting bigger laughs. I kept waiting for her to say something funny in response, but she just looks back at the interviewer and waits for him to hopefully move things on.

R7 won't love that documentary because he's clearly an incurious idiot.

she's uglier than sin!

I get the impression her lack of writing in the last 40 years is all part of her persona. Like it's all so important and precious that she just can't bring herself to put pen to paper. She obviously could, but it's more romantic to just, well, not...

The documentary was developed, produced and edited by Fran. its not as if Scorses would have brought this project to life on his own.

r201 She claims that the idea for the documentary was Graydon Carter's and he initially got Wes Anderson on board to direct but he spent years trying to work out how to do it and failed, so Carter asked Scorsese if he knew anyone who could do it and Scorsese put himself forward. She also said she in no way collaborated with him on it. She only did the interviews and didn't even know until she saw the final film that there was going to be archival footage included.

A $3 million apartment in Manhattan is actually on the lower end of the scale. Basically upper-middle class, not wealthy by NYC standards.

r203 But is she On Assistance?

What R201 wrote is not only incorrect, as proven by R202, but it's not even plausible.

It was a great film - I just wish people would stop asking her about the stuff she's already spoken about in the film, over and over.

...such as, New York being cooler in the 70s.

& why she doesn't write. That's in fact the only time she sounds like a drag.

R203, Fran is not as wealthy as people who buy $30 million dollar apartments; very few people are, in fact; but that does not take away from the fact that she owns an expensive apartment in a very desirable part of Manhattan.

The best part of the Scorsece documentary was when Fran described how the AIDS deaths pretty much put an end to our culture. She argued that not only did AIDS kill off so many talented artists and creative people, but it also killed off an entire discerning audience of tastemakers who shaped the culture.

Here's what I was talking about. It starts at 19:05.

Whoops, the link...

The "popular" culture was in decline before we knew about AIDS.

The films were getting worse. The pop music was getting worse.

R161 She is in fact ugly. She is much less intelligent than she seems. In essence, she is a pretentious cunt.

You certainly showed your eloquence and wit with your post, R212.

R176 She was never in deary. Her whole demeanor always screamed lesbian/butch from back in the day. In that Paul Soles(Hermey From Rudolph) interview, she came across as a humorless dyke. Orson Bean stole the show from her with his sense of humor.

R213 Well thank you. You showed your stupidity and your obliviousness with your absolutely useless post.Now go away dreary......

I have to agree with her about Trump ‘s stupidly. Anyone who is always telling you how smart he is isn’t.

[quote][R213] Well thank you. You showed your stupidity and your obliviousness with your absolutely useless post.Now go away dreary......

Angry (largely at women, I presume), envious of those who have success, visibility, education.

Did I miss anything?

[quote]Her whole demeanor always screamed lesbian/butch from back in the day.

How horrible!

[quote]'You do not know anyone as stupid as Donald Trump'

As long as you know at least one Trump voter, you know someone who is STUPIDER than Donald Trump.

Trump is stupid and ignorant but be is also devious.

R159

I would honestly say Trump winning seems like the worst thing to ever happen to me and it may actually be the death of me.

Look at the credits. She produced the documentary She also developed the project and yes, she was involved in the final product. Nothing wrong with this, but there's no need to advance some false narrative about the doc's genisis.

You would think she’d know to quit smoking if she’s really so smart.

Eek! A smoker! Next.

[quote]Look at the credits. She produced the documentary She also developed the project and yes, she was involved in the final product. Nothing wrong with this, but there's no need to advance some false narrative about the doc's genisis.

Of course she got a producing credit, they cost nothing. And she should have gotten one, there would be no film without it. But that does not mean that she had anything to do with the actual production, let alone the editing process (except for watching a later edit of the film, which is customary).

Credits are never a reflection of how much input a person has on a film.

there would be no film without HER, I mean.

If 50% of DLers don't have something nice to say of Lebowitz, we are doomed.

[quote]‘I’m going home, I can’t take this – I’m not tough enough. I’m going home to take drugs.’

Does anyone actually talk like that?

She smokes! She doesn't like kitties! She is a lesbian! She is not pretty!

I can't believe DLers now sound like a bunch of fat fraus from Peoria during lunch break. Gay people became the worst in the last ten years. It's really over for not retarded individuals. As Fran always says.

[quote]He's funnier there, too. She looks a little uncomfortable when he starts interjecting and getting bigger laughs. I kept waiting for her to say something funny in response, but she just looks back at the interviewer and waits for him to hopefully move things on.

He inserted himself into her interview and insulted her book as the sort of thing you read on the toilet. Fran's not having it but since she has better manners than he does she coolly regards him with the scorn he deserves.

[quote]She’s like an elderly, more insufferable version of Lens Dunham.

The charmless Ms. Dunham should be so lucky to have one-tenth of Lebowitz's wit and charisma. Neither woman could accurately be described as pretty but unlike Lens, Fran used to be very attractive and sexy (which is far more interesting and lasting than merely pretty).

[quote]A $3 million apartment in Manhattan is actually on the lower end of the scale. Basically upper-middle class, not wealthy by NYC standards.

Give me a fucking break, I'm a native New Yorker, most native New Yorkers cannot afford a $3 million dollar place, let alone a crappy co-op, which most co-ops in areas such as Brooklyn and Queens, even there the prices have become out of reach for many. LIC now boasts ridiculously high prices on co-ops and condos. Don't get me started on Brooklyn, where the majority of people buying are not even native New Yorkers. Celebrities now live in Brooklyn.

Co-ops which once sold for $50,000 are now $600,000 and that's for the same small co-op with few upgrades, maybe new sinks and kitchens. I bought my co-op for $25,000, it's now worth $700,000. The bottom line, money no longer goes very far in NYC. It's not about being middle class, upper middle class or wealthy, in NYC, even wealthy people are frugal.

The only people in NYC who seem to be throwing money around are the typical ones: Eurotrash, wealthy Asians and wealthy Mid-Eastern people. Real New Yorkers know better.

Have you been around her? Her cough would wilt a bouquet of roses post haste..

R217 She is an utter bore as you are. Getting the rug pulled out from under you by Orson Bean is an embarrassment of the highest order. She came across as an ugly Oscar Wilde wannabe with none of his looks,charm or wit.

R230 No we are all about pointless bitchery and cutting down anyone who thinks they re above their station. Ms Lebowitz is a prime example of someone that richly deserves DL's derision.

[quote]I have to agree with her about Trump ‘s stupidly.

Oh, dear.

R235 = knew Oscar Wilde personally

She's a tarry curmudgeon but she's our tarry curmudgeon.

She's from Jersey to her great embaresment.

I've always liked Fran. She is witty and personable, and I admire how she's made a career of it. Discerning people have always sought and supported those like her for entertainment value in salons and other social settings.

R230 thank you. yes. my god. it is sad and awful.

Is she related to Howard Stern?

He has learning disability and someone else got him through highvschool and college, with their grads. He can't learn, actually hecrefuses to learn. He Inca vile, mean, ignorant person and the reason he is president, it is because of his racism.

Until recently, I though Fran Lebowitz and Annie Leibovitz were the same person.

She reminds me of this shepherd.

Is she going to support fellow lesbo Cynthia Nixon for governor?

What is her opinion of Rojo Caliente?

Fran strikes me like the type who knows Cynthia from the theater and totally ignores the fact that she did a little tv show about women and sex.

Fran occasionally played a judge on Law & Order.

Fran recently traveled to Australia. She said in an interview that she was very proud of herself for enduring 30 hours of traveling without being allowed to smoke a cigarette and not ending up getting arrested and led off the plane in handcuffs.

^ You know in reality she had a nicotine patch

R250, Fran’s the type who would wear the patch while finishing-off a pack of Chesterfields.

-A

Then when she's on a plane for 30 hrs she can wear two patches.

Australia is full of deplorable types. It must have been very traumatic for her.

I wonder if we will ever know what is wrong with him. Just like we'll never know if Reagan had Alzheimer’s while in office.

She's been a judge on"L&O," r7!

Sorry, r248; I jumped the line!

R239 Sad really. You look like you are from Jersey judging from your spelling! A lot of morons come from that state.

Frannie always kicks ass at just the right time!

Back in the '90s Vanity Fair magazine had included an extensive interview with her. Awesome. In the interview Frannie had lamented on the loss of the "Hollywood Male Movie Star" ala Carey Grant, Montgomery Clift, Gary Cooper, et al. When the interviewer asked her opinion about the new rising male movie stars of the time, the only one who'd come close to meeting Frannie's standards was a then young George Clooney. That was it.

The interview then reminded her of another rising male movie star of the time: Brad Pitt. Frannie's response: "Brad Pitt? He looks like a 'Trick'."

I like her a lot. And her observation that AIDS took the best and the brightest in the 1980s, along with those who could appreciate the best and the brightest, has a lot of sad but nasty truth to it.

When Jann Wenner left his wife for model Matt Nye and it was a scandal, Fran said, "I wouldn't leave a chair for Matt Nye." That's a level of cuntery I'd hope DLers would appreciate.

Fuck off, r257. I won a ton of spelling bees in New Jersey.

I love Fran but, she's really in a bubble. No one she knows would vote for Trump but almost 3 million people in NY state voted for Trump and there were places in Manhattan that were red as well according to the map.

Nobody cares about upstate New York, R261. I'll need solid proof that anyone in Manhattan voted for Trump. His NYC fans are hardhats from outer boroughs.

R254, he's always been like this. The chaos, the unhinged explosions - that's normal for Trump, forever. He's not stupid, he's shallow. And a weasel. You know the rest.

[quote]Nobody cares about upstate New York

It's precisely that kind of attitude that gave us Trump though, isn't it?