WTF is wrong with Food Network?

He kills my appetite to do anything except hit the gym.

This is not a new development. When they created the Cooking Channel a few years ago, it was supposed to be JUST cooking shows. And it's turned into another "almost anything BUT cooking shows" network like its parent.

If you wanna watch how-to cooking shows go to create tv on PBS.

I learned so much from watching the food network in the 90's. All of the shows really focused on explaining the food they were cooking, techniques and everything. The hosts were not exciting tv personalities, they were real chefs and could be "boring" at times. I guess the formula doesn't work on all the basic bitches out there with a low IQ and ADD. Remember how educational TLC used be in the 90's? Now its the carnival freak show thanks to kate plus 8. These stations just don't give a shit anymore, it's all about the ratings and pandering to morons. Before you know it they will be airing “Ow My Balls!”.

Remember "How to Boil Water" with the young, geeky, gen-Xer host in the early 90's?

Whatever happened to him?

The free market has spoken and this programming is what people want. The free market is always correct.

I gave up on Food Network and the Cooking Channel about a year ago. Go on Amazon Prime Video or Netflix and search for cooking shows; much better, actual cooking, no commercials (except for the built-in PBS sponsorships), and you get to choose which episode(s)/recipe you want.

I'm currently watching Jacques Pepin: Fast Food My Way on Prime, and his technique is incredible.

It's just part of the overall dumbing-down of EVERYTHING.

This is indicative of why that orange dumbass is in the White House.

THIS is what is wrong with cable - none of the specialty channels remain that way very long and they ALL wind up scheduling the SAME crap.

Isn't it obvious that if "stand and stir" shows (as we call them in the industry) were what people actually wanted to watch, that we'd see more of them? Nielsen ratings are actually reflective of what people are willing to watch, and networks' programming are based largely on that. If you want to get video tips on how to cook a turkey nowadays, you go on YouTube. And the TV industry is adapting to that.

This thread is temporarily interrupted by new Spicy Wings brand sauce, brought to you by Guy Fieri!

I completely agree! I used to love watching it so much for cooking segments. Now it sucks!

I only watch the Saturday morning shows when the actual cooking shows are on. Sometimes a couple are on Sunday morning. That's it. Nighttime is filled with bogus game shows that are totally scripted and the winners are known way in advance. I'm glad Ina is back with a new show and I'll even take the dreaded Pioneer Woman over the crooked FN contest shows. I really enjoy The Kitchen.

I watch many of the PBS shows.

I like the barefoot contessa reruns bc I find them relaxing. I do not watch anything else. Most of the recipes are redundant or terrible.

The new shows are so awful, humorless, and without soul. I love watching these two Fat Ladies. They love their meat.

The World's Worst Cooks competition is soul crushing. I enjoyed the Great Food Truck Race though.

R5 it was Sean Donnellan and although the show had a public access feel, it was great fun to watch.

Everything on Food Network is a competition

Everything on HGTV is a flip

Everything on OWN is a Fix Your Life

I miss the old Food Network. And to think I used to bitch about Sandra Lee. She’s still better than the current crap.

And remember Debbie Fields, baking cookies with those ridiculously long and perfect nails.

I think I flicked by Trisha Yearwood making French toast

Gina Neely on Paula Deen

R3 and R14 are right. If you want instructional video, go to PBS, especially on weekend mornings.

Food Network is all cooked out.

R11, .you obviously missed the point which seems to be endemic of your industry. The primary complaint isn't that Guy's on all day THREE fucking days a week, though that's certainly a HUGE problem. It's that you fuckers have absolutely nothing to replace Fieri with, so three entire days of him.

Why can't Food Network produce original programming anymore?

Guy just stuffs his face full of crap and never says anything tastes bad. I’d rather hear more about him and his travelling hairstylist at this point. Didn’t tmz have footage of his and his gurl having a brawl on the road?

Ina has a new show?

CREATE on PBS has the best cooking shows.

[quote]WTF is wrong with Food Network?

Everything. The competition shows were half the reason I quit cable. I wish Ina would move to Create TV.

I used to watch during weekends in the morning, while doing cardio. But, no more. They have that rancher woman (for the despicable) and then Bertinelli, who can teach nothing and knows nothing about cooking. Shame.

Part of the problem is they went with the face instead of talent. That's evident everywhere.

Guy Fieri's face?

That Ree woman's face?

And, then, when they are not showing people running around like headless chickens trying to make something out of an eel, rhubarb, and cornflakes, they have children doing the same thing. Who teh fuvk wants to watch children cooking (except for frau mommies, of course)?

They've turned into a "lifestyle" channel as opposed to a cooking channel. I'm so sick of these "cooks" rambling on and on about their families, memories, upcoming events they're hosting, etc... their primary focus is yapping about their perfect lives and their perfect homes - cooking is an afterthought. They don't even write their own recipes, they have teams of ghost writers who come up with all this shit. Anyone recall the infamous Kwanzaa Cake?

The Kitchen is unwatchable, in the same way The Chew is - the hosts are so over the top manic, it's ridiculous. They all act like they're coked up out of their minds, laughing like lunatics, making ridiculous "o-faces" over every thing they're tasting, yelling, hooting and hollering over every little thing. It's so forced and phony. The recipes are so stupid too - the other day on The Kitchen, one of their "recipes" was salami chips. They literally just sliced up some salami and baked it in the oven. That's it. That same episode another recipe was chocolate dipped potato chips. Seriously.

I miss the days when they had chefs do cooking shows on both channels. Most of the cooking shows are celebrities now. Create TV has a nice selection of cooking shows but I do miss the old FN.

The Kitchen just makes me laugh although I have to admit I did get a few good recipes from them. It's a mixed bag there. Sometime when I watch I feel like I'm watching SNL- only it's not.

So stop watching any of it! Too many people turn the TV on for lack of anything else to do, then sit there and watch programming they're not happy with because they can't find anything better. And the network thinks they must like it.

If the Food Network were to see an overall decline in their ratings (and maybe they are, I don't know), they would program something worthwhile. Don't watch something that's a "mixed bag" - boycott it.

[quote]WTF is wrong with Food Network?

I've always felt that there was a fundamental flaw in food teevee. You cannot taste anything.

Unless you are a recipeholic there is very little there there.

It comes from chasing the ratings.

Look at Animal Planet. The bloodier and gorier the better for ratings. Used to be a great mix of fluff and education for adults and kids. Not anymore.

I like the concept of Chopped but the best-the-clock time limits are annoying

R11 is right, I love cooking shows and watch most of it on YouTube, that's where you go if you want the real deal. Same with home and garden shows, YouTube is a better resource than HGTV.

Paula Deen is busy eating sticks of butter and being a cunt.

R23 I can’t stand Gina Neely with her nails on chalkboard voice and aggressive manner. Pat her husband is a sweetheart though. When they divorced she got hall of his restaurant holdings. Cuntrag that she is...

I watch stuff on YouTube now. Plus I download recipes from Pinterest. I’ll never ever buy another cookbook. I just print out the ones that I’m interested in and put them in a looseleaf binder.

R43, yeah, but her suggestion that Deen was saying the "n" word a lot (as were her sons) is pretty intense.

[quote]Remember "How to Boil Water" with the young, geeky, gen-Xer host in the early 90's?

Do you mean this guy?

r42, make that a racist cunt, honey!

I miss David Rosengarten's show "Taste" one of the best of the best from back in the day.

WHET Rosengarten?

Sorely missed, too, is that cute Canadian chef named Chuck Hughes who prepared a weekly spread for his neighbor restauranteurs, food purveyers, staff, etc.

Graham Kerr, where are you when we need you?

Didn't the guy in R46 blimp out? WHET her?

I think the reason Food Network doesn't have any new programming is because they are blowing their budget on salaries for the talent they have (Ina, Guy, Alton, Giada, etc.). There is no more bacon in the larder for new talent.

r48 - David Rosengarten's show was one of the main reasons I learned to cook.

The Two Fat Ladies were great fun.

Even "Emeril Live" - which could be obnoxious at times with all the BAMs - was better than the crap on FN now.

Wasn't Valerie Bertinelli an actress at one time?

Yes R53, she was on Hot in Cleveland.

OMG , I have about 3 binders full of recipes that I just print out from the Internet!

I’m trying to organize it all but it’s a pain in the ass.

I haven’t watched FN in years. It’s all crap.

Because it's about the art of cooking, and, like all art forms and disciplines, once they gain substantial popularity... They. Turn. To shit.

[quote]That same episode another recipe was chocolate dipped potato chips. Seriously.

Ree has made those, too.

Alton Brown - closeted?

R28 Yes she does. It's called Barefoot Contessa; Cook like a Pro. I've caught it a few times on the Sunday mornings when I wasn't hangover

QUESTION

Martha Stewart Vs. Ina Garten: Whose Carrot Cake Is Better?

R59, but it's essentially the same show, just new episodes. But beggars can't be choosers.

That was Emeril Lagasse R5.

Speaking of, I still remember reading an interview with Alton Brown bitching about how one chef should not be the face of an entire food network, (Emeril,) and how having him on several times a week wasn't fair to others.

Today Alton is exactly what he complained about back in 2001.

Just finished watching Pioneer woman. WYD, opening credits show her healthy weight, show starts and she comes from behind fridge and she looks like Francine Fishpaw. What a mess she is.

Meant WTF regarding post 63

All of these networks have gone to shit. They should rename the history channel, the Hitler channel. That's all they show. One of the last great speaciels the history channel had was the men who built America. And that was back in 2012. I want to see more shows like that. The food network is tha same way now. I miss all of the various cooking shows they ones had. But just like a few people have mentioned. If you want quality programing. Go to PBS or YouTube. Cable has gotten lazy.

Even though moronic and mediocre, Fieri pulls in the numbers. Chopped is still good, I prefer Create with Lydia and Ina much more.

[quote]Everything on Food Network is a competition

Or a show where the host takes you to different restaurants around the U.S./Canada.

"Diners, Drive-ins and Dives" rarely features any of its titular establishments anymore, any restaurant will do. And it's spawned a slew of imitators.

r66, Ina is not on Create TV. Lidia is, but I can't stand her.

Wow.

Look at the beginning of this clip.

Valerie Bertinelli seemed to have Matt Lauer's number before everyone else.

I liked Dave Lieberman. I bet he had a tasty ass.

All basic cable networks are crap right now because they lost tens of millions of subscribers in the cable cutting era. They just don't generate enough money to pay the top talent & have to resort to gimmicky shows that cost less to produce.

r71 That may be part of it, but the decline began way before the word "cord cutter" existed. It's a race to the bottom; everyone is targeting the lowest common denominator.

Whatever happened to Adam Gertler? Someone on here claimed to blow him.

i miss nick stellino

he was a kick in the pants

you guys bitching....shut up if you have cable.

try antenna reception.....anyway......2 hot tamales also

do not forget them and their every changing haircuts....great gals.

Stallino shows up sometimes on PBS’s Create channel.

Why must everything be a competition?

R73, Adam does hosting but also has a sausage company. He's affiliated with the Dog Haus.

You can always find the best cooks on YouTube.

Yes R68 my bad, Lydia is still my favorite authentic Italian Chef, Bourdain is great and Riipert as well. Rachel, regardless of her being the top earner amongst all the american chefs (Without any restaurants) sucks.

[quote]i miss nick stellino

He's on Create TV.

[quote]Lydia is still my favorite authentic Italian Chef

Then learn to spell her name (hint: no "Y").

I like the way Valerie Bertinelli throws in references to Mrs. Van Halen, "Ed," and brings on Wolfgang (who could stand to lose about 50-70 pounds; I mean, with parents like that, he should be an enormous handsome stud). And Mackenzie Philips, when they talked about Bonnie Franklin and how Mackenzie named her dog Franklin in tribute.

She also had Betty White on once, as expected. You can tell her new husband's relatives are still a bit starstruck when they're on, as well. And she can cook!

r82 She had Jane Leeves on this past week. And she did a reunion show with all of the Cleveland gals. I really like her show a lot-- she's got such an upbeat personality and her food does look good.

R4, they already have had "Ow, My Balls!" on network television. It was called America's Funniest Home Videos.

It’s more like ‘Food Crapwork’

Valerie is one of the best hosts on their network.

I blame Susie Fogelson and Bob Tuschman.

R51 seems to have it best.

It may be the shelf life for Food Network and Home & Garden Television is just about up.

A few years from now, they may get rebranded.

Come to think—linear cable-television lineups are trending on the outs while streaming (what when one wants) is rising. So, OP, don’t mourn for long.

Ina was marginalized for a good while on FN. The only time you'd see Barefoot was on Sunday mornings at some Godforsaken hour. I complained on her FB page and her assistant said they were aware and there were new programming decisions made that concerned them. Even though she can be annoying at times, BC is the best thing FN's EVER had. Two Fat Ladies coming in second for their chemistry and humour.

This is what happened to LOGO. It was supposed to be the first GAY channel. There was a variety of different shows from comedy to drama. Now its morphed into the DRAG channel. Who the hell is watching RuPaul episode 2,596?

I blame it on the Lesbians, they seem to be the only ones I know that seem to love the show. I think it's some internalized hate thing about men degrading themselves by acting like woman.

Food Network and HGTV were acquired by Discovery networks just this month. Get ready for more changes geared towards deplorable audience.

[quote]I think the reason Food Network doesn't have any new programming is because they are blowing their budget on salaries for the talent they have (Ina, Guy, Alton, Giada, etc.). There is no more bacon in the larder for new talent.

Nope, sorry, nice idea but just not true. The network executives made a decision several years ago to split the channel into Food Network and the Cooking Channel. But in doing so they basically wrote off all the followers who wanted to learn to cook and went for the big dollars with game show ratings. Once they saw all that money coming in they decided to fuck the other channel up too.

Even Alton Brown who was at the top got his show canceled. I remember his being thankful he parlayed his success into one of their cooking game shows but it was not worth watching.

Bottom line, it came down to greed from network executives. They would make Honey BoBo a star if they thought it would bring in higher ratings.

Before they went downhill, they were doing some creative stuff like Bitchen Kitchen. It only lasted 3 seasons. I guess the Fraus watching the channel didnt get the humor or the fact that the host was actually a comedian who invented this character.

I'd love to know if there was a way to find out how many times an episode has aired. I'm willing to bet that they've shown some episodes of "Barefoot Contessa" or "Pioneer Woman" well over 100 times.

Ina’s carrot cake is amazing!! So, so good. Especially with the pineapple.

I’ve never made Martha’s recipe. Lemme look it up...

[quote]Whatever happened to Adam Gertler? Someone on here claimed to blow him.

Not implausible. Gertler is cute as hell - in that slightly nerdy Jewish otter sort of way, charming, well into his 30's and apparently single. I know at one point he started a sausage company that ended up getting a Costco deal. He also had a movie watching show on some 3rd tier channel. Not sure after that.

I still remember his season on NFNS. The final 3 went to Vegas where they made a buffet for employees at the Wynn. For the first time, Adam went back to his smokehouse roots and made a BBQ that everyone went crazy over. Ironically, the situation was a set-up because it was obvious they wanted to pair Aaron with the Neelys for an hour of African American based cooking programming. Poor Lisa Garza didn't exploit her Latina culture. At any rate, not only was Adam the runaway winner in the food department, he also won the presentation. Aaron pretended to cry during his presentation and the Tina Turner drag queen from La Cage tried to be polite but said she didn't know what he was doing. Because Aaron was obviously going to be kicked off, they took all three to New York where Aaron finally won.

And Adam has a girlfriend. Asian, of course, so you know what that means to DL'ers.

Alton Brown should be ashamed of "Cutthroat Kitchen".

He should be ashamed period R99.

I'm sure he's crying all the way to the bank.

Cutthroat Kitchen was stupid as fuck., although not as bad as that douche bag Gay Fieri or that fat ass Duff Goldman.

Good memories of watching actual cooking shows on weekend mornings with my mom as a gayling. I had such a crush on Dave Lieberman. Mom probably did too. Talk about boyfriend material.

I'm a Chef and I hate Food Network,!!

Was Duff gay? Something about him says party bottom.

I like Duff. And he also has good rapport with kids.

[quote]he also has good rapport with kids.

You mean when he's not spun and pulling a train?

I'm racist no mo y'all, gimme a show!

[quote]Was Duff gay?

"Was?" He's not dead.

Emeril Legasse and the Americanized "Iron Chef" were the beginning of the the decline of the Food Network.

Speaking of Iron Chef, Bobby Flay supposedly wore a shirt that indicated he was never doing Iron Chef again but the show will blur out the shirt.

He says he's done with it all.

Well, if Flay is done with Iron Chef, that's one small mercy. If we can get him to say he was never doing Food Network again, we'd really have cause for celebration. He is the most arrogant, smug and unlikable presence on the network and his cooking sucks as well.

What's the tea on the big Martha Stewart/Ina Garten falling out? Ina Garten and Martha Stewart had a long friendship. They could have collaborated and become the next Two Fat Ladies! What the hell happened?

Adam Gertler...yum.

I love The Kitchen, too. I want to rim Jeff Mauro. So does Katie Lee, judging from the way she looks at him.

Ina never spoke to Martha again after her insider training conviction. Probably at the order of Jeffrey.

[quote] I had such a crush on Dave Lieberman.

Dave Lieberman ended up going to medical school.

It's always the same faces on Food Network -- Guy Fieri, Bobby Flay, Rachael Ray, Ann Burrell, etc. And all of those faces only get fatter and less attractive as the years go by. The Food Network seems to be unable or unwilling to find any new people. I guess they figure they can just coast on episodes of Chopped and Diners, Drive-ins and Dives forever.

Have they been taken over by Viacom. It seems all the channels they take over tend to have programming that's not related to that channel's genre. They will soon after be putting reality shows. Like at the history channel and mtv etc

Dave Lieberman's nipples were always hard. Every time he turned to get an ingredient or move a pan, one was always pressing against his shirt.

Viacom is a shit company. They ruin everything they touch. Everything just goes to shit. Every channel. It's lazy programming. I believe it's Sumner Redstone's daughter who's fucking everything up. All these people care about is money. Fuck them all.

Collectively the “personalities” on Food Network are shit. Most of them should be replaced. I wish Bobby Flay would say something inappropriate so he would disappear like Cunt Paula.

I fing Ina to be very relaxing.

I agree with many of the above comments. I used to watch Food Network quite frequently. After I broke up with my ex, who pretty much did all the cooking, I started to get into cooking. I liked the few things I made watching Food Network, so I started watching it more. These days, it's all stupid competition shows. Guy's Grocery Games has to be one of the worst.

I agree about HGTV, too. It's all flip shows now, with mostly Joanna and Chip Gaines and The Property Brothers. I just can't watch them over and over.

I guess I can't say I'm surprised. These networks are owned by corporations, and corporations eventually ruin everything.

There are more cooking shows on PBS than there are on the Food Network.

Including old shows that are repeated, there's Sara Moulton, Julie Taboulie, Nick Stellino, Ming Tsai, America's Test Kitchen, Milk Street Kitchen, Martha Stewart, Pati Jinich, Rick Bayless, Julia Child, Joanne Weir, José Andrés, Primal Grill, Moveable Feast, Mike Colameco and Ellie Krieger - although no, I'm not including that Jazzy Vegetarian wacko.

What about Mary Ann Esposito?

Oh, yeah, I forgot about Mary Ann Esposito.

And I also forgot Daisy Martinez and Jacques Pepin.

R115 Martha made a move on Jeffrey at a Food Network sponsors convention in Boca Raton. Ina never forgave her.

And Martha used chicken, r127.

I love it when Jacques Pepin says "kooky shit" for cookie sheet.

Typical corporate bullshit. The two women at the helm of FN, Brooke (forget her last name, probably retired now) and someone else were both living in NYC and never cooked. So you had decisions made by people who knew shit about cooking.

The final straw for me was a Next Food Network Star season that did not give the winner, Justin Warner a series as promised. It was supposed to be produced by Alton and was deemed too expensive.

Justin does some Guy show, but that's not the same.

I stick with PBS now.

r112=Stephanie March

The Kitchen needs a bit of revamping but at least it's an attempt at cooking and information. I actually like Jeff for all his obnoxiousness. Also, he dumped quite a bit of weight since NFNS but the network still plays the game of having him wear jackets and oversized shirts over t-shirts. Sunny needs to tone it WAY down because she's gotten more and more obnoxious when she's sitting at the island. Zakarian clearly hates being there and is an incredibly stiff and unpleasant personality. Kathie Lee isn't bad but she needs to work on that nasal, whiny voice of hers. I liked Marcela the best so naturally, she's gone after giving birth.

[quote] Kathie Lee isn't bad but she needs to work on that nasal, whiny voice of hers.

I feel the same way.

[quote]Katie Lee isn't bad but she needs to work on that nasal, whiny voice of hers.

Her mouth was otherwise occupied when she was married to me.

R130, Justin proved impossible to work with. Everyone hated him and if anything, a series would have been sabotaged by the network and employees. He seems to have mellowed which is why he's often a guest on Guy's Supermarket show, but his biggest chance was blown.

[quote] Justin proved impossible to work with.

Tell us more, r135. Please.

Very arrogant, unprofessional and lazy and would not accept other ideas. The match of him and Alton was doomed from the start.

Justin wasn't impossible to work with, otherwise he wouldn't be on other FN shows so much. Alton was supposed to produce the show and what Alton wanted to do was too expensive- that's the truth. Nothing to see here.

Justin works his ass off. And no, I'm not Justin.

The final three contestants on the Aaron/Adam/Lisa season. They all did a segment on Rachel Ray. Aaron is very personable even though you can't understand what he's saying. Good rapport with his child helper

Lisa. She was obviously the most qualified chef of the three but concentrates too much on her child helper and also confuses her with her recipes.

Adam's test. Although he doesn't let his girl talk, he does a nice job and has great rapport with Rachel. He would be good on The Kitchen.

Food Network is owned jointly by DIscovery Inc. (70%) and Tribune Media (30%). It might get worse as Tribune wants to sell its share to the fascist media group Sinclair Broadcast Group.

The match of me and Alton would be doomed, too. I hate that Jebus-sucking asshole and his stupid costume schtick.

R142, Sinclair Broadcasting will probably gaycleanse Ina's shows. Poor Michael, Miguel, and TR.

TR's been gone for many years.

They will gaycleanse the old episodes, too, r145.

Or is it "straightcleanse"?

Gaypurge?

Overall declining TV viewership has resulted in lower TV ad rates and revenues. I'd have to think this is the source of so much non-original and extremely low-cost production shows on Food Network, HGTV, etc.

How many flip shows in places no one cares about (Waco TX? Rural Mississippi? Las Vegas?)? Property Brothers are just helping people do small renovations to sell a house and then buy a new one. They've KILLED off all of the other HGTV talent.

However, I don't think they realize that they are just making the problem worse - they're creating cheaper and lower cost shows but I would have to think their ratings are declining more than average real-time TV viewership decline. But, they are now part of larger publicly traded companies and look to the short term gains - and to also possibly offset losses in their other divisions (e.g. print newspaper for Scripps).

Eventually someone will do something better on another network and they'll all be naval-gazing as to what went wrong.

Watch PBS for America’s Test Kitchen on Saturdays

[quote]Or is it "straightcleanse"?

Straightwash.

Apologies for going off-topic, but HGTV is missing out on a huge demographic shift: more and more people are renting as opposed to owning their homes. How about more programming geared toward apartment dwellers?

As I begin spring cleaning and redecorating on a limited budget I am reminded of a weekly Canadian series in which a young designer would redo an apartment by utilizing furnishings and accessories borrowed from other rooms for reuse in different areas within the apartment.

Does anyone remember the name of that show? I loved it and I am using some tips learned there to "refresh" my small apartment.

We don't all rent. Work harder, if you don't come from money.

i don't get Create or a lot of regular antenna stations.....the reception is ME getting on the roof to turn that fucking antenna this way and that..... so NO.

i get every kid channel, every spanish channel, every religious channel, every kind of asia/viet channel, the shopping networks, the jewelry channel, the knitting and quilt sewing channel, the let's show kids how to make crafts show, the carpenters channel, the jazz channel...

i.e. nothing i would watch. oh well, things could be worse. i could be melania trump.....

R152 maybe “This Small Space”, or “Home to go”? Or some really early Sarah Richardson in “Room Service”?

Discovery just bought HGTV, DIY,Food Network, Travel Channel and Travel Channel form Scripps. You'll see changes in the programming soon.

I haven't seen Anne Burrell on FN in forever.

R157, she hosted "Worst Cooks in America" which had its finale a couple of weeks ago. In fact, her contestant won.

Oh, well, I don't watch that shit at all.

I was talking about her cooking show, where, you know, she actually produces something delicious to eat.

R159, well, she actually produced dishes on Worst Cooks that the contestants were to replicate. She also demonstrated things like cutting techniques, so in effect, it was a lot of what people claim they want to see on FN.

The baking show is peaceful. I forget her name.

Evan Farmer (former MTV boy-bander and hard core stoner) was the host of the show r152 is talking about. Although, at the time I was quite suspicious of all the items that he "discovered" in the apartment dweller's storage unit.

I don't think HGTV realistically recovered from the mortgage crisis as they're still floundering with flipping shows.

Meanwhile they have a David Bromstadt show where he decorates the houses of supposed lottery winners.

That is Trumptard bullshit right there.

He doesn't decorate the houses, he actually helps the new rich people find "dream" homes.

Though in a lot of cases the "dream" homes just end up being bigger houses in the same area or vacation homes in nearby areas.

[quote] He doesn't decorate the houses, he actually helps the new rich people find "dream" homes.

And the new rich people often tend to be a deplorable couple living in the middle of nowhere (I guess those are the type of people who tend to play the lottery) looking for a bigger house in the middle of nowhere where they will have more space to showcase their awful taste. On one episode I watched, David was showing the couple a huge new house, and the frau said, "This would be a perfect place for my Precious Moments collection!" Poor David doesn't even get to do any decorating. He just travels to Bumfuck to show them houses. David must wonder why his life has taken such a turn for the worse.

How many of the Food Network Star winners still have a show on FN? Only Demaris from what I see. I like her show - though she seems reined in.

R165, are you kidding? Does the name Guy Fieri ring a bell? Jeff Mauro is on "The Kitchen".

[quote]The baking show is peaceful. I forget her name.

Are you talking about "Baked in Vermont," with Sandy Bullock's sister? I adore that show. I hope it gets renewed.

R167, I agree, it is one of the best original shows FN has had in quite a while, but its success is completely dependent on Sandra's sister.

R166, FN will forever chase the dragon because of Fieri. Ironically, they've found some very nice chefs for shows because of NFNS but they clearly didn't know what to do with them and putting them in loser shows for one season will simply not develop an audience, a show or a personality.

I think Mauro's Sandwich King is a great idea for a show but they had more faith in him than they did in the concept so he's now on The Kitchen.

I can't stand Guy Fieri.

Why is he the King of the Network?

At least Jeff got a new kitchen out of them before they cancelled his show.

Guy Fiere is the king of Food Network for the same reason Donald Trump is President.

They did "The Kitchen" outside and the hosts are freezing. You can see the vapors from their mouths and when they did a bbq segment, the smoke overpowered them.

Jeff is looking cute since he lost weight and started going to the gym.

Katie Lee, Ali Magraw called- she wants her look back.

[quote]Ina has a new show?

Yes, in this one she shows you how to arrange a vegetable platter to go with the cheese platter she showed you how to arrange last time.

Make sure you get good quality hummus. When I go shopping, Jeffrey calls out, "Make sure and get a good hummer" and I laugh.

Geoffrey is decorating a store bought cake and he's obviously miserable. He has to make it look like a garden. Lidia Bastiachi was also on being as charming as can be. No word on her slaves.

I had only one slave, bastardo!

Jeff also looks like he has an intense skin care regiment and the new veneers don't hurt either.

Jeff always had great skin.

I can't watch Jeff Mauro because he reminds me of Ben Platt.

I can't watch Jeff Mauro because he reminds me of Ben Platt.

They look nothing alike.

Fieri has three shows and 26 hours of programming across Friday and Saturday. It's nuts. What does he have on the executives? FN's unwatchable these days (and many others)

Guy draws in the fraus and their husbands.

Guy's DDD usually ranks #5 on FN weekly ratings behind Worst Cooks, Kids Baking Championships, the Kitchen and Trisha's Kitchen. Guy's GG is usually in the Top 10 as well.

R87, Tuschman was fired two years ago but Fogelson is still there.

[quote]intense skin care regiment

He has little soldiers on his face?

There was a BI about a boy-molesting pedo who seems to be on a certain network every time you turn it on.

Pretty obvious. Pretty funny, too, considering the story about him freaking out when discovering the owners of a diner were two gay lovers. I've seen hundreds of episodes over the years and cannot recall a single one where the owners were identified as a gay couple.

R187 I saw the episode in question and the cook mentions his husband who was the manager but in the voice over intro Guy calls them "life partners". It was in the first or second season.

Fiery is boy-molesting pedo?

R188 I've seen episodes where the owners appear to be two gay men but I've never seen them even called life partners.

On the other hand, a male/female duo who own a restaurant get the romantic aspect played up if they're a couple. I believe the producer who said he's openly homophobic. It goes right along with the rest of his douchey presentation.

Dave Lieberman had a show for two seasons about ten years ago. And he was a terrible cook. You girls have to get over him.

I like the concept of DDD It's interesting to see how restaurants cook food on large scale, how they incorporate ingredients, regional dish preparation, etc., but I cannot abide Fieri. I've only watched a few times. The loud, obnoxious douchebro presentation, the unsanitary touching and pawing of food even as the cooks are wearing plastic gloves, and finally slobbering all over the place as he shoves the food into his maw all turn my stomach and make the show unwatchable.

I prefer the Canadian version, You Gotta Eat Here.

R185 You've left out Pioneer woman. Her show has the best daytime ratings for FN and Trisha's show only rates well because of the lead-in from PW

Someone upthread mentioned the Pioneer Woman making chocolate dipped potato chips. I posted this on the Martha Stewart thread; it's just as appropriate here.

[quote]Oh my word. The Pioneer Woman is making ramen "pho" using the seasoning that came with the ramen brick and tossing veggies and thinly sliced beef in a bowl. Add soy, sirracha, and lime. This is a cooking show!

This is the sort of a thing that high school and college students have been figuring out preparing for themselves since ramen and tea kettles became widely available.

Ree's appeal to Frauen is easy enough to understand but not her food. She seems to zap every dish with an overdose of chile peppers and various hot sauces.

And Ladd doesn't like spicy for some reason. Bottom cowboy?

Ladd squeals like a girl when Ree tricks him with a fake, rubber snake. That tells me he's not doing much hands-on ranching in Oklahoma. You'd see snakes, including venomous ones, on a regular if not daily basis.

Of course he's not doing much hands-on ranching. Their ranch is so big that the family are the 23rd largest private landowners in the US. For a ranch that size, most of the work is being done by the help. I would guess the only time Ladd does actual ranch work is for the show.

Like most all cable channels the FN is catering to the majority of their viewer's tastes, or selling what most people will pay for, if you will. Most of the old FN viewers who watched the real cooking shows have left the channel and have probably moved over to PBS and Create (a PBS channel). I haven't watched the FN in years. And I live for the day some scandal comes out about that dirty fat spikey haired pig who is their current cash cow that will sink his TV career. And you know there's something there that could do it. It's just a matter of time.

The Pioneer Woman brand dishes sold at Walmart are hilarious. They look like Japan is trying to unload a warehouse full of crap dishes made in the 1980’s that were unsellable for all these years.

R117, Don't forget! Besides Triple D, there's Triple G: "Guy's Grocery Games"!

Next, Guy Goes E: "Eat, Enjoy, Eliminate"! Watch as Guy takes you into the Restaurant Restrooms of America!

People in LA might fondly remember Huell Howser's segments about various places in LA. It was similar to DDD but with the volume turned WAY down. Howser's LA was a welcoming place, not frightening at all. He'd venture to the Watts Towers, eat tortillas in East LA and examine the graffiti in Venice and it was all an adventure. When he'd do a show like an elderly African American couple in Pasadena who made cobbler or a store that sold vintage sodas in a bottle, it could make their business.

Huell visits Pinks Hot dogs. It's leisurely pace might be boring to today's viewers but I found it relaxing and entertaining.

Pinks has horrible hot dogs. Like a rubber dog toy.

Remember the TMZ video of the slap fight between Guy and his hairdresser? Who here doesn’t think those two were fucking at some time?

Huell was a treasure. So is Pink's- I wish I owned that spot.

I completely agree

I recall hearing of Guy being uncomfortable when he found out the owners of one of the restaurants he was featuring were a gay couple. By no means am I a Guy fan, but it's seems he's evolved a bit on that issue... Oh, and on a side note, speaking of DDD, I would highly discourage you from Googling "GGG" (as some sort of abbreviation to Guys Grocery Games), lmao.

Huell was a southern boy but could you imagine Paula Deen or her sons doing this segment?

[quote]Who here doesn’t think those two were fucking at some time?

One does not think of Guy fucking. Ever. It is simply not done.

Hottie Tyler Florence marched in a pride parade yesterday in Tampa. Good for him!

[quote]Next, Guy Goes E: "Eat, Enjoy, Eliminate"! Watch as Guy takes you into the Restaurant Restrooms of America!

With special correspondent Tommy DiDario to analyze the the pants the men are wearing on their way to the toilet.

[quote]For a ranch that size, most of the work is being done by the help.

You mean like when Cowboy Josh bottoms for Ladd?

[quote]bottoms for Ladd

Back when Bob Tuschman and Susie Fogelson were judges on "The Next Food Network Star," I drove my husband nuts singing "Suzie, Suzie, Suzie and the Tusch" to Elton John's "Bennie and the Jets" tune.

Guy Fieri is the 1st and most successful winner of Food Network Star. He is the Kelly Clarkson of FNS

It was reported last year that he earns over 10 million dollars a year.

R217, slight correction, Guy was the second winner. The Hearty Boys, a gay couple, were the first winners.

I knew the Food Network assumed most of their viewers were morons after Paula Deen was revealed to be a racist pig they suddenly started have black guests on her show constantly. She'd never once had a black person on her show before then. I could just hear Paul in programming meetings telling the producers "y'all need to bring in some coloreds to show the viewers I'm not a racist because I let them come into my house and don't even make 'em clean".

R220, I hate to admit knowing this, but Paula had black guests on often. She even had RuPaul on in full drag.

Paula Deen at least did recipes that were easy for non-cooks like me and she didn't insist on products that were ridiculously expensive for most people.

It's Sunday, so there's another 10 hours of Fieri programming today. Fourteen on Wednesday, 13 on Saturday and Sunday. Viewers are clamoring for him so FN delivers 50 hours almost all of which are reruns.

Why not just change the name to The Fieri Network?

I watch the Create channel (especially since I cut the cable cord) and they do have some good shows. But that annoying Italian guy isn't one of them. "Let me tell a story about clams! We Italians love clams! Clams are a way of life in Italy!"

Lidos cooks the same damn thing every show.

That bitch that lives in Napa or wherever is a total snot. Her 'students' get taught how to chop onions every week.

Americas Test Kitchen and Country Kitchen aren't the same since Kimball left. And Kimballs Milk Street show is overrun with vocal fryers. Very cunty vocal fryers at that.

Why do people just make shit up like R220?

She never made any shows after being labeled a racist.

Before then, she frequently had black guests on her shows throughout the years. She was also responsible for the Neelys getting their own show as FN didn't think their demo would warm to them.

In addition, she was a major donor to a Savannah orphanage whose residents are primarily black children.

As Matt Lauer pointed out, her big mistake was being too honest and admitting to using that word, decades ago, when there were no witnesses.

If you don't like Deen that's fine but don't make up bullshit.

R224, if you saw the clip above, Gina Neely admitted that Paula had said that sort of stuff often and had told the network that they should undergo some diversity training.

Then that makes Gina a phony cunt. They were on Paula's show several times before getting their own show. If they thought Deen was racially insensitive they should have declined her assistance with the network.

[quote]Then that makes Gina a phony cunt.

I don't think you'd have to watch The Neelys more than once to see Gina is a phony cunt. Rubbing her fat ass and tits all over her down low husband, and making suggestive comments.

A fairly disgusting display in the kitchen. Keep your sexual innuendo in the bedroom.

The former Mrs. Neely is starring on another current Reality Show: "To Rome, For Love." Group of African-American women look for hotties in Italy.

Because there's nothing Italians love more than black people!

I hated that Neely bitch. They way she treated her husband like a retarded child every time he did anything. She'd ask him to put some parmesan cheese in a bowl and after he did it she's bellow 'GOOD JOB'. Made me want to puke.

After declaring bankruptcy in 2011, did Geoffrey Zakarian agree to sell his soul to Food Network? I can't believe he's doing humiliating shit like "Cooks vs Cons" and "The Kitchen," especially the latter...sharing space with the brain-dead human vocal fry that is Katie Lee and feigning enthusiasm over inedible, trashy fare.

No term gets more overused (incorrectly) on DL than vocal fry. Katie Lee speaks in a high voice. Vocal fry "is the lowest vocal register and is produced through a loose glottal closure which will permit air to bubble through slowly with a popping or rattling sound of a very low frequency."

There's even an audio clip at the link.

In which bass trombone on an undiscovered planet are you living, R232, where you actually think Katie Lee speaks in a high voice and does not use vocal fry?

What ever kind of voice Katie Lee has it is as annoying as hell. How on earth did she get a job that requires speaking??? Who did she have to be with to get hired? BTW, whatever happened to Jeff's sandwich show? I used to like it. Did Sonny ever have her own show? She's okay but way too loud. I think her cooking is okay and she's honest and will admit when the prep for her dishes was done by the workers in the back and not by her. I hate that all those like the Pioneer Woman and Valerie pretend they did all the fine chopping and prep work and even more insulting is when they pretend that they will be cleaning it up.

That was one thing I liked about Rachel Rays old 30 minute show. They showed her do every bit of prep work and actual cooking and she made no pretense that it was being done in a studio, no pretending this was her home and company is coming and the sound of fake doorbells and such and what a coincidence, that guest and family all arrive "home" at the same time and 1 minute before the food is ready. Even the shows that actually do teach cooking a bit have to have this phony shit going on.

If I make a recipe that supposedly can be made in a specific amount of time I don't want to see that the host already has the onions, carrots, celery, garlic, and herbs finely chopped and the pasta already cooked. That is all the hard part. Just dumping everything into a pot or pan is nothing. The old shows used to teach knife skills when you'd see the host actually doing the chopping and mincing.

[quote]Because there's nothing Italians love more than black people!

And clams! Don't forget clams!

Katie Lee's vocal cords were affected by gallons of Billy Joel's cum.

The first time I saw Guy Fieri I thought he was Corey Feldman with contact lenses and a dye job.

Martha Stewart is a class example of vocal fry voice. I hate those broads who do that croaking frog voice. They think it makes them sound more important. It just makes them sound like dudes.

Katie Lee does have a semi vocal fry voice. Certain words are very vocal fry, while others are valley girl.

[quote]I hate that all those like the Pioneer Woman and Valerie pretend they did all the fine chopping and prep work and even more insulting is when they pretend that they will be cleaning it

I have never seen a cooking show where anyone from the star to a lowly stage hand comes up to the set and do "cleaning." Ree, Ina, and the blonde Mohawk always make a point of showing their designer taps as they wash their hands beneath. Why do expect the "stars" to do all of their clean up on camera? We all hate clean up and you seem to think they should use their precious time to show you hygienic activities? On a .COOKING SHOW? Please stop being so ridiculous and start the Vacuumed Packed and Hypoallergenic Channel to fulfill your extended, unfathomable, and inscrutable needs

Perhaps it would be to your satisfaction to include a Chryon: "FN expects all to die if not all activities are PROPERLY FOLLOWED

R240, Rachel Ray did on her show "30 minute meals" or whatever it was called. She also had a trash bag on the counter where she would place clippings and the like. I think it was fairly faithful to the title.

On "The Kitchen", Jeff especially tries to wipe up the counter when there's a mess.

R239. That's the issue R232 is taking issue with. People on DL use vocal fry to describe a whiny valley girl voice a or any other female voice they find annoying. Katie has a light sing-songy way of speaking on The Kitchen but it's far from vocal fry. Martha is a better example.

Rachel's 30 minute meals could probably really be done in that amount of time but it's not correct that they showed her do everything. The 30 minutes included commercial breaks so she'd start chopping onions, for example, take a commercial break and come back and they were done. Which is fine. I don't need to see someone chop 3 cups of vegetables.

I miss the cooking shows. The Kitchen is my favorite of the ones left. I liked Damaris but I haven't seen her in a while. Trisha is OK if she's not singing; Trisha's singing is like Sandra Lee's tablescapes--except Lee's decorating was funny.

Vocal Fry = that now ex wife of Tarek on that house flipping show.

Martha Stewart has vocal fry? Now I have heard everything.

Specifically Martha just has deep dyke voice.

Oh yeah, Tarek el Moussa's ex is grade A vocal fry. I hate that bitch with a passion. He really dodged a bullet when he got rid of her. Plus she has those ridiculously large fake veneers.

I'm watching Pioneer Woman now making French onion soup and she just put a 4" x 3" half inch thick slab of gruyere on top of a little crock of soup. Jesus Christ that's about 4 oz. of cheese for one serving. Reminds me of her "overnight oatmeal" on her home alone episode. I calculated that it had about 1500 calories -- for one serving (though the FN site says 1-2 servings..

LOL at poster who likened her to Francine Fishpaw.

Pioneer Woman is SUCH A PHONY!!!

I bet she voted for Trump.

r247 You wanna talk over-the-top Pioneer Woman recipes? Check out this milkshake.

She almost never takes a bite of the shit she makes. Not that I blame her. Judging by her recipes her kids, when they were little too, and the entire town love melt your tongue off heat in everything. I know she lives in ranch country but I cannot believe that everyone loves everything with so much heat and spice. I doubt very much if she and her family eat the kind of food she cooks on the show. They probably have a professional cook who prepares their food for their real life and eat mostly healthy organic foods. Hell, I'm sure they want long lives to spend their billions.

That’s true, R250!

I never gave it much thought when I used to watch her in the early days of the show but now that you mentioned it, I can’t recall her doing that.

What a ringing endorsement of her food 🥘 😳

Considering what she looked like on her show yesterday, Ree is pushing 200. Organic and healthy my ass. I think Ladd has gone Brokeback.

It's makes my skin crawl every time I hear miss Elephantiasis, Ree, pronounce the word "ranch". A nasal-y "reeeee-onch!!!" followed by an obnoxious smug smirk.

I've seen Ree add fresh jalapeños, seeds included, chipotles in adobo, and Cholula hot sauce all to the same dish.

It reminds me of bad French cooking where every dish contains an overdose of Dijon.

If Connie Britton ever hosts SNL, I hope they write a vicious Ree Drummond sketch for her to play.

Can anyone recommend good cooking shows that stream on Prime or Netflix? I’ve cut the chord and looking for options.

[quote] I’ve cut the chord

I'm thinking Mr. Overstreet was probably already cut.

R257 I wonder why did people started adding the letter? I absolutely guarantee most people could identify a cord. A chord...doubtful.

R256 Really cutting the cord (including Netflix, Amazon etc.) is hard if you're looking to save money but retain some content.

Look on Amazon for an HD antenna. I bought one for a friend with no data plan and no cable. She gets like 25 channels for free. Mostly subchannels (e.g. 3.1, 3.2, 3.3) of the local network affiliates showing basic, ancient reruns from Aunt Bee to Perry Mason. But you'll also get Wonder Woman reruns and Svengoolie. My friend pays nothing at all and is very pleased.

She gets by. I think I could, too but I live in a dead area. I could never pick up TV channels, I do well to get cell service.

Sorry, off topic.

Hopefully this will be the end of Guy Fieri (né Ferry) forever.

R260, if that were the case, we'd already be hearing about it. Another BS BI. I hate Fieri but he's been a friend to the gay community, even performing marriage ceremonies in honor of his gay sister.

You mean after he was outed as a homophobic asshole by a former DDD producer.

No friend to the gay community. There's a big fucking difference between loving your dead lez sister and caring about gay men.

Let's hear some more examples of what he's done for gays. None? Thought so.

Like this?

FN should be concerned that so much content revolves around one person- like him or not.

R263 Uhhh, that's just repeating the same too-little-too-late example.

If that's all you've got, it's not much of an apology.

Who dreamed that spikey-haired douche had a fan on DL?