‘Will & Grace’ Revival Renewed For Season 3 By NBC, Season 2 Expanded

Daaamn, that is such good news!

Wonderful news. Great cast. Good writers (mostly),

Well, since none of these people have anything better to do with their time, this is working out quite well for them.

I never watch this shit show

Thank U for sharing that, r4.

I think Jack’s Staten Island Fairy bf is aforable

Minstrel on, Hayes.

Good week for Eric McCormack as Travellers was renewed by Netflix for a third season

r8 Sometimes not much happens for a decade and that it starts pouring. Good for him.

Good news

Will Will and Grace finally get together in the end? As the straight creator says he intended?

The logical storyline was always that they'd have a baby together, but they're too old for that now unless they retcon their ages.

I feel like we're past those kinds of saccharine endings today anyway, and will certainly be even more when the show ends for the second time.

[quote]The logical storyline was always that they'd have a baby together, but they're too old for that now unless they retcon their ages.

No they ain't. Deb Messing is only 49. Many women still get knocked up at that age, with help, of course.

The straight man co-creator said that "all of the viewers" wanted Will and Grace to end up as a heterosexual couple.

And he ALMOST did it in 2006!

I want to know who did Willis face life and fillers. Forever 29, bitches. This is really just a C level series, but most sitcoms are so stupid, it is elevsted to a status it does not deserve. None of the main 4 are special. As Ethel once said, I have sufficient. Other than its Chicago shows, NBC still stands for nothjng but crap.

The show has been hit and miss this season. Last week's episode was probably one of the better ones in terms of writing. However, it seems like the actors have been coached to go "bigger and broader," Jack and Karen especially. Their characters were always cartoonish caricatures, but now, it's like they're caricatures of caricatures. They need to bring it down a few notches.

And the cackling laugh track that starts up whenever a character opens a door is especially cloying.

What R17 said.

I want it to be funny so much, but - it's just awkwardly unfunny.

What the HELL is up with that over-the-top laugh track?

Why not renew for a 20th season now while you're at it? Jesus.

Chill out, NBC!

Great news, love this show!

[quote]The logical storyline was always that they'd have a baby together, but they're too old for that now unless they retcon their ages.

They'll be bringing me in as a Special Guest Star to play the role of the surrogate they use to carry their child.

I'm glad it's returned. However, I do not like at all some of the changes. The theme instrumental should be left alone! Will's apartment is not nearly as attractive. The green marble along his fireplace was replaced with that cheap wooden paneling. Also, some of the wardrobe leaves very much to be desired.

It's a tired cartoon show. The men have had Excellent work done, look much better than the fish

Someone needs to hire that cunt Debra Messing a trainer.

Stop eating, lady

Hardly visionary.

Pretty much over it but ok.

Why are they covering Debra Messing in frilly dresses and mumu's? Why is she always eating doughnuts?

The two last episodes have been really funny. I watched them yesterday and laughed out loud several times.

Tired old same old shit

I felt like you were dating a guy for 6 months never knowing he had a 3 incher with this reboot. They ran out of ideas very quickly. None of the 4 main actors are all that interesting anymore. They are just 4 Peter pans who are flailing around without purpose in their 40s and 50s.

Good for them I like Debra messing. I'm sure their all happy if not for anything else other than the fat paychecks. Collect and save. I bank everything.

I lost interest midway this season , has it been good?

It's been okay. No episode sucked aggressively, I thought.

I agree with the laugh track. "Will and Grace is filmed in front of a studio audience" and then they are replaced by a whooped up laugh track.

Same with the Roseanne reboot. The laugh track is a ...laughing stock, hahahahahahaah.

New season bump! It's coming back tonight!

Hopefully this new season is better..

Were there any overtly political episodes after the first one? If not, that's why the ratings collapsed.

R37 As I recall, there were some snide comments against Trump conservatives in general. But no overtly political episodes after the first one. The ratings went down for the second half when it came back in spring 2018 after the holidays. People have short attention spans and many don't watch live on TV. I only watch on NBC.com myself, but I watched the whole season.

People say how great they look - I guess they do for their age, but they lol look odd to me, unnatural and slightly creepy, particularly Sean. But they seem like they’re having a great time and I’m glad they’re a success and that we have gay visibility in these insane times. I will continue watching - there’s not much else on at that time and though rarely laugh out loud funny I think they are doing a wonderful job and hope it goes on for a long time.

R39 Megan is the only one that looks good, and can still act and be funny. She’s a gem.

R39 It's the damn HDTV. W&G went off the air before the digital transition.

Megan looks great for 60, her neck is the only real giveaway.

Her rack needs to be way bigger though.

I am watching it now. It has been funny. Ross still looks good for being 60.

In the original show, the humor seemed to come more naturally. The actors had a level of chemistry with each other that made the laughs seems so easy. In this incarnation, everything's been cranked up. The characters are now caricatures, and it's as if they're all saying, "I'M WALKING INTO THE SCENE IN A VERY EXAGGERATED MANOR AND I'M ABOUT TO SAY A VERY FUNNY LINE. GET READY - HERE IT COMES!"

Things just seem off. And did you notice - no tight shots of Megan Mullaly in this last episode?

I hope Max Mutchnick makes much of a part for Max Emerson in W&G.

r46 Max Emerson is the only reason I would watch W&G.

If Megan could dial it back to 8, the show would benefit. Too much of a caricature for me and, despite her talent, her scenes turn me off.

So, Sean Hayes has been reduced to the lowest common denominator physical comedy in this reboot? Yes, Jack was always supposed to be this over-the-top exaggerated character but watching him in this latest episode was just sad. The banana thing made me cringe. In the original run, he had very funny lines and now this?? Also, what's the point of Megan Mullaly in v2.0 if they give her nothing to do? It's basically become Debra Messing Show and that's NEVER a good thing.

R49 Haven't had time to watch it yet, but that sounds like the typical Grace episode with Will as GBF, Jack as the Joker and Karen as the Drunk. Those are often the weaker episodes... After all these years, the show follow good old set patterns. Will episodes are often dreadfully dull as well, and Eric is not longer cute enough to distract from the annoying traits of the character. The show only earn its keeps when featuring Jack and/or Karen, or when the whole group get together for some special occasion.

The critics thought the latest episode was terrible. I found it ok. Grace is the weakest link. Always has been.

R51 Grace was actually the most dialed down in this episode. Everyone else was playing to the cheap seats. The show just isn't working.

Finally watched it... Thought it was great! A solid B+ at least. Laughed quite a bit. Loved everything about the Karen and Will b-plot. Those boobs were amazing! Jack was a bit over the top but you got to give it to Sean for earning his salary with that messy performance. (Now why didn't Will make a sexual joke about the cream on Jack's face...) The pay off for all that silliness was the bf understood his gibberish making their relationship more than a shallow farce. The Grace part was not as front and center as I thought, which is a good thing. The first scene with Grace talking all over the place was stilted and awkward with the jokes falling flat. But by the second cafe scene when Noah got to the heart of Grace's issue... that she's not at the place she hoped to be at her age (most of us can relate...), I warmed up to them. It set up the plot... will they just become two curmudgeons together jeering at the world (but isn't that just hetero Will and Grace) or "cure" each other of their dissatisfaction with their lives?

I'm sad they're too old to have a baby.

Will & Grace (NBC) 3.94 million

ratings not that bad....

Grace wants to beautify things, while Noah wants to live the ugly truth. That's a death match in real life, but in rom com, that's the height of romantic potential! LOL

I kinda realized how much I missed David Schwimmer. He does look good, too. I always thought he was kinda offbeat sexy.

R55 I think that's only around a third of its debut last year if I remember correctly. But as long as it does better than other NBC comedies, it would still be considered good.

LOL The West Side Curmudgeon is really on Twitter.

I did not like it but I blame the writers the acting was better. Messing has improved.

Schwimmer was actually one of the better things about that episode. I kept hoping against hope that he would utter "Quelle cunt!" after his diner encounters with Deb Messing.

R61 Must be saving that for their breakup episode...

I scrolled through everything.

Has it been called a "minstrel show" here yet?

R63 Many times, so you can run along.

I just watched both W&G and How To Get Away W/Murder, and noticed that Karen's dress and Tegan's blouse were made of the identical material.

R65 Who wore it better?

Anastasia's back, bitches. Melania is just a poor imitation.

Watched last night. They were trying way too hard.

R68 the writing is just awful

The second episode was okay. It pushed the plot along, but the lines and delivery just weren't as natural and snappy as they should be. The writing was too forced around a theme... marriage/divorce or Will's beard, which makes it feel more like actors delivering a set of jokes on stage at times instead of the characters being quirky and funny. The first episode flowed much better in comparison.

I give the second episode props for mixing things up with the structure a bit. Sean is great with physical comedy but maybe they're leaning in a bit too hard. And the final act was just the four of them + Alec standing in that room for eight minutes. Why wasn't that scene blocked? Having the actors just stand in a semi-circle and barely move while delivering the entire climactic act of the episode makes the show look cheap, and makes me think they're all bored to tears.

thank you miss critic r71. did you score well in theatre101?

Alec Baldwin actually looked good last night.

R71 The whole final scene felt like watching a stage play/rehearsal. The miscast "policewoman" was like an audience member who volunteered to fill in for the role because the actor called in sick/drunk. I expected an episode with Anastasia Beaverhausen to have a bit more energy than this... It's like Karen didn't get drunk/high enough.

Yes, the actor as the policewoman was not up to the task, and that drained even more energy from that scene as everyone stood around waiting for her to stumble through her lines.

And, R72, since you asked, I scored okay in Theater 101, but it was at 8:30 MWF and honestly, I slept through a lot of them.

The rating was down from last week but on par with the NBC comedies that aired before it. It was third in its time slot behind both CBS's Mom and ABC's Station 19.

Megan Mullally looks better now than she did in the original show.

I actually already like this season better than last. I have to tell you, I think the writers are succumbing to trying to cater to an older audience by referencing slapstick comedy that would be perfectly fine back in the day, but is just seen as trying too hard now. TV viewers, especially sitcom fans, now want extremely witty lines and unexpected jokes to carry the humor.

These characters have all been consumed by their flaws and quirks... The characters have become the jokes. The writers should have us laugh with these characters instead of laughing at them for being so insensitive/insecure/anti-social/dumb.

I hope they don't waste Beverly Leslie this time!

Eric does Freddie!

Megan says she won’t have plastic surgery. Hmm.

Have you seen her lately, R82? She's full of shit.

Schwimmer was attractive. I don’t know how that happened. Alec Baldwin was outstanding. I like the Spanish boyfriend. I like Smitty’s “hashtag metoo”. You know they were looking for an excuse to throw that in, somehow.

I liked the policewoman, actually. I mostly looked to me like she had a hard time not cracking up. Jack’s eating the crushed banana was pure Lucy & Ethel.

R84 is a moron.

R84 That was so LAST WEEK...

I think the problem with trying to be witty today is that pop culture references and topical jokes like the ones that made the show shine in the 90s would have to refer to our current timeline and that is too fucking depressing.

I do like Jack's little Spanish boytoy. Wish they would keep him around.

They are trying waaaaay too hard this season

It's the laugh track. It's like all of these reboots are using the same canned laughter or they upped the mic volume on the audience. Almost every single line of dialogue has a huge laugh inserted and it ruins the natural flow of dialogue. I feel like I'm watching a bunch of old vaudeville stand-up comics playing to the crowd.

I loved Jack’s queeny grandson.

They recast the grandson's role so I assumed this one was hired because he could sing. I was wrong.

I am out, it’s just not funny anymore . The writing is lame. sean and eric over-act everything, it’s sad.

Only good thing left is Megan. She’s the only one with talent still.

This makes me appreciate the later seasons of W and G, which seemed subpar at the time

r94 dl and their overrating for nepotist cases, ugh

I liked it but it does not have any replay value. Tired jokes. Tired actors. SJW shitfest. Horrible laughtrack. Jack's über fairy schtick is way past its expiry date.

Yes, R97. The writers used to be able to make their social commentary in a more subtle and humorous way, I don't like being hit over the head with a message.

I turned to CBS after W&G for Murphy Brown and I had the same blunt force trauma to the head with their heavy-handed writing. Both shows are preachy without the necessary snark thrown in to successfully deliver their speech/message.

i wanted to like Murphy (did in the old days) but it is soooooo badly written and acted. i gave up after 2 tries.

Hated the goddamn Pixel phone product placement when Jack wants to take the selfie with Will and his grandson...and he doesn’t call it his phone, but ‘my new Pixel’. Then mentions it has a wide-angle lens. Then the last shot of the episode is the actual photo taken by the Pixel.

I mean, come on? Really? Literally an actual commercial worked into the dialogue of the episode.? Wrong. Just wrong.

R100 Well, at least it's a high end product... Pixel 3 sells for $799+.

I love it and think the re-boot is as good or better than the original run. So sue me.

many shows do the product placement. you need to get out (to TV shows) more r100

The show is nowhere near as good as the first few years of the original but compared to other crap on the air it's good enough. I'm happy. I hope Murphy gets renewed it seems to be picking up steam now. I hope the Conners gets renewed too, just so the racist eats her heart out and goes to 6 packs a day.

R84 hashtag youtoo

The standout was Karen's Rosario scene. Overall, Karen's plot was enjoyable, though Beverly Leslie only got in a few lines and was under used. The Grace story is pretty ho-hum filler. Don't really care. The Will & Jack plot dragged too much and only picked up when Jack got the mike and turned up the energy.

Like some chick crossing the border speaks English.

The writers are talented, I think they're being told by the network to dumb it down since network viewers are increasingly getting older and older. They REALLY gotta amp up the witticisms, and you can tell the core 4 are aching to do better as well.

When I last saw Leslie Jordan (Beverly Leslie) live--probably over a year ago--he seemed like he was having trouble remembering things. It was kind of sad thinking that he is declining and remembering how sharp and funny he used to be.

The whole beverly leslie thing is so tired. Grow up and get some standards.

I saw the episode but had no idea that the selfie scene was an ad. I’m sure that most elders like me totally missed it too.

R111 Yes, Oldsters miss a lot of things. R108 Because you know everything that goes on in everyone else's mind, twat.

Leslie Jordan was referred to as Woody from Toy Story on Thursday’s Will and Grace and Friday’s The Cool Kids. He really should have alerted the writers.

hey r113, wit is wit!

I think Debra needs to get back on cocaine. For energy and weight loss.

I've been following it loosely, generally tuning in on Hulu when I've watched everything else I like. I have to admit, seeing it again is bittersweet. I did really enjoy the show in my youth (I was really young when it first aired and it did resonate with me as a young gay man). However, part of the problem for me is that a lot of the humor seems quite dated and no longer catches me as it used to. I get the whole Karen's-a-drunk/addict thing as a bit and used to love it, but through the years I've actually endured the problems with friends battling alcoholism and other addiction issues; that form of comedy, making light of addiction and alcoholism, just no longer comes across as funny to me. Further, despite adoring fashion in my youth, I've come to loathe high fashion as wasteful (something the original run showcased heavily, not so much this season), so the posh factor of the characters comes across as touting a lifestyle that I just simply think is silly.

With that said, the dynamic between the characters is still there and I give them props for keeping it up after so long. But obviously things have changed: Messing really does look dowdy and frumpy now (despite still being quite pretty in the face, but she really does not have a TV figure now), Hayes just looks tired and old which really counteracts the screwball, slapstick persona he has on the show, and it seems out of place now, McCormick and Mullaly (sp?) both still look fantastic, but they're phoning it in I feel and their energy just seems low the whole time. I appreciate they've brought it back, but I think I find it disappointing that I don't enjoy it as I did the original run, which is kind of depressing to me. Hopefully they can find an equilibrium that will heighten the show, but I'm doubtful.

It's the writing. Actors will rise to the occasion if they know they have quality to work with. But so many plots seem recycled form past seasons.

They should have a script-writing contest amongst fans of the show. I bet even Datalounge could come up with a couple good episodes (Grace goes to a fat farm? Jack meets a bunch of Republican closet cases in a gay sauna? Karen goes to a #metoo rally?).

The Lady Is A Tramp Tony Bennett/Gaga

Carmen Monarcha & Mirusia Louwerse performing Send In The Clowns

"Me and My Shadow" sung by Robbie Williams and Jonathan Wilkes.

Robbie Williams & Nicole Kidman - Something Stupid

I loved this show back in the day, but it is so sad now. The recycling of the episodes is so obvious, like the little gay boy putting on a show one they just did. A Little Christmas Queer was one of the all time best original episodes.

[quote]A Little Christmas Queer was one of the all time best original episodes.

I loved that episode. One of the ones I laughed so hard. THE hardest I ever laughed was when they did the live show and they painted Jack's eyebrow in that crazy way, and Jack said something like "I'm surprised by this" or something like that... and turned around to reveal the crazy eyebrow. It was so ridiculous, Debra forgot her line and Sean had to prompt her.

He singed it off!

YES! That scene!

Goes to show, there were a lot of gems in the last two seasons, even though at the time they were criticized.

Now, we are supposed to think it is hilarious everytime Sheldon Cooper says coitus, and the blond girl keeps cranking out kids because the show is so out of ideas. But that is another topic, I guess.

Rosario('s ghost) is back tonight...

Have we discussed what seems to have happened to Eric McCormack's face? Too many fillers? Eye lift?

Eric's face is tragic next to Matt Bomer's. But that's aging for ya.

They all look good. They can't look 32 forever.

R129 In relative terms, Eric aged most noticeably. When the show started, Will looked more like Matt Bomer now (though not as pretty).

Eric is quite thin. Of course it shows. If he put on fifteen pounds, it wouldn’t be so marked.

Eric has aged well. What are you going on about.

Karen's tatas aged the best out of the cast. Her melons are divine.

R134, yes, but you’re comparing melons and plums.

R134 They were spectacular in that cat suit last week!

Wait... Why are we even talking about melons on DL? Karen Walker has perverted us!

Jack’s been obsessed with them from day one, they’re that magical apparently.

I think many gay guys are attracted to tits. They are good floatation devices. They look great in anything. Straight men would literally die if a girl flashed her double Fs at them. They are deadlier than ISIS.

...flotation devices

Grace's glasses are the ugliest thing I've ever seen. Why is she wearing them??

So cringeworthy tonight.

R141 I agree, they were hideous!

good job with the closing scene

R144, ick, no.

I absolutely love this show! I've never been so happy something was back, but then, I am a Frau. :-(

When does Bomer's episode air?

Bomer plays "McCoy Whitman", Will's love interest. I thought he was just a one-off date, but now they say he will be back for 3 more eps. Also, they just announced Barrett Foa as another love interest... What gives? Foa would be downgrade from Bomer (though more realistic bf material for Will)!

Just watched it. Neither Will or Grace has any emotional resonance. This was supposed to be a big emotional episode but I felt nothing. These two just aren't very good actors or whatever work they have had has plasticized or ansthetized them. Those glasses were terrible. Someone should have slapped the stupid off Grace tonight. The Karen-Rosario story was a bit better but not by much. I also felt nothing. You can sense that the writers think way too highly of themselves in writing this schmaltzy crap with actors who don't have the range.

The Karen-Jack-Ghostario story had some good beats, but I felt like the script and acting were holding back in some not-too-funny/not-too-sentimental zone. Same thing for the Will and Grace plot, come to think of it.

R149 ...anesthetized

I dont know. I really liked tonight's episode. I just thought it was weird that Messing didnt squeezed out a tear. Maybe they thought it would be too dramatic after the revelation thay Will tried to kill himself.

R152 haha you are so lame for liking such crap. This show is done.

The writing just gets worse and worse every episode.

R131 I agree, he definitely went downhill the most on the original run. I can't figure what's going on with him, if it is bad plastic surgery/still looking old?

I wonder if they show could require the cast members to get it, to look the same age as others who clearly have had it done (Megan). For 250K and episode! I would go for some botox at least.

To all saying McCormick has aged most of the four, that's interesting. I don't see it (although it might be time for a comparison of then and now photos). I see the most aging in Hayes. To be clear, he's still very handsome and funny. But because of it I find the kooky slapstick of his strange. Just watched the last episode. It didn't really hit, but I felt some sympathy with the Will-Grace part due to a similar situation with a female friend. I thought the Rosario ghost thing was sweet but didn't resonate. And I thought Messing did very well. McCormick left me cold though and his approach seemed ham-handed (the "it was a long time ago" line was way too over-dramatic for my tastes).

R156 Someone should remind Eric Will's there to be the "straight man" or butt of the joke, and shouldn't ham it up so much to steal or become the joke.

Kudos to Eric for maintaining his sexy, slim bod.

Eric looks awful. His eyes are almost closed. I think he had an eye job that went wrong.

And he's too skinny. Why are they putting him in skintight T-shirts? It's not a flattering look.

Megan Mullaly looks amazing. Nick Offerman must have a huge magic dick that keeps her young.

Eric and Sean both look worse than Debra and Megan, for sure. It is so distracting.

They look bad and their acting is worse. Trying too hard.

I still love this show. More laughs per episode than any comedy on the air.

Weird, I bitched about this show a couple of days ago, and now this new episode is making me laugh hard!

I think Sean makes the most effort, while the others have more phone it in moments. Even Jim Burrows, the director of every single episode of W&G, seems to be off his game, but the man is 77!

This week's episode was interesting... Will and Grace's part wasn't very funny but came in strong with some dramatic flair in the end. Jack and Karen's part got more laughs as it got more absurd, but the ending scene with Karen didn't quite work for me. I wish they made the sign from Rosario a bit more subtle. Not the best episode, but worth watching.

Jasario! Almost didn't remember they were once married!

The best/funniest part of last week's episode.

They're doing a #metoo ep with Grace. They're not making me laugh. Make me laugh comedy series.

So Grace was raped by her father, had a secret child and Jack is her child? Lame.

It’s a VERY SPECIAL EPISODE.

they did a good job with Grace and her father. not so much with the Jack and company part.

although we did fiond out that Jack's cock is 18 good & plentys long.

Why do we want to need about Grace's mangina and Jack's sheenis?

"hear"

When did Will and Grace become fucking Maude? So Will attempted suicide and Grace was raped at 15. WTF is next? Cannibalism?

Haven't they been talking about Jack's hairless balls for the last couple of episodes?

R174 Cannibalism? Jack or Karen?

Make me laugh you bastards or get the hell off the stage.

Emmy bait don't cha know?

Not working.

Make us laugh.

Almost every episode of the reboot has been laugh-free. The actors are too old/passé, the writing is heavy handed, and the laugh track no longer works in 2018.

the waitress was great.

im there foor matt bomer…..KEEP HIM ON

Gays will watch for Bomer!

This is dedicated to the writers of Will & Grace, Murphy Brown and The Conners...

When is Bomer gonna cum on the show?

COCO PERU!!

The original version was never this heavy handed. Why are they going this route? It's supposed to be a very silly sitcom.

You know Deb Messing got her way with pitching this plot/

And why the Hell is her father supposed to feel guilty? He didn't rape her.

[quote] The original version was never this heavy handed. Why are they going this route? It's supposed to be a very silly sitcom.

Towards the end of the original they injected more drama like Will and Grace falling out because she didn't want to be his surrogate after meeting someone. Their finale was an absolute downer.

I dislike Deb Messing so much that I think it would be hilarious if her elderly arch nemesis Susan Sarandon were to play her in an SNL skit. And I dislike Sue also.

The waitress was EVERYTHING!

Deb is fine in small doses. Grace is best when she's the butt of Karen's belittling jokes. When she gets high and might, you just wanna shove her off the balcony.

Grace was SO traumatized back then.

Will and Grace is so 1998.

The retconning on WaG is as stupid and toxic as it was on Roseanne. We are supposed to believe that stupid cunt Grace kept a letter for 30 years unopened where Will says he attempted suicide? Ok. Now, that stupid cunt Grace was raped at 15? Oh please. Next we are gonna find out she was hanging out with Anne Frank in that closet of hers. This show is just pure lies and propaganda. People are seeing through the lies now. I hated last season and this season is even worse. The only character who is not a train wreck, still looks good and can still act is obviously Karen. The other three are finished.

Let me tell you about Grace Adler...

Interesting...

Miss Coco hasn’t aged a bit. Disappointed they didn’t throw a reference to “it buurns”. Actually that could have been one of the monologues.

One thing I dont understand... If you hate show so much why are people watching and then come to DL to bitch about it.

You must be new here.

Some take it to a whole new level and call it “hatewatching”.

The mausoleum scene reminded me how much I miss Bobbi/Debbie.

Yay! I love this show. Always have. Haters can remove a couple ribs and suck it.

Miss Coco Peru was on tonight.

I didn't watch but I saw her tweet about it.

Was it any good?

Hatewatching and Debra Messing are an irresistible combo.

Try it.

Great article, R197.

James Burrows better take back his show. Learn your damn lines, hit your damn marks, keep your overacting to a minimum and leave your boring personal agenda out of the show. I'm looking at you Deb Messing.

R207 James is 70 something and still directing... I think he's slacking with age, too.

I watch it but usually don’t laugh once. It is unfunny show.

Grace's dad is even more annoying than she is. What a terrible actor. Messing was always the worst part of the original and now she is still the worst. So she told her mother and her mother said to keep it to yourself. What a charming family. The whole execution of this SL was ridiculous. We have that unfunny asshole waitress and unfunny asshole father yelling at unfunny asshole Grace. As if the younger gays at the bar would give a fuck about 50 year old Jack. Karen as usual was the only funny thing in the epi.

I follow Debra Messing on Twitter and it made me really like her.

Patty the waitress was hilarious! Best comic acting Ive seen in years, honestly.

When did Megan start looking like Lesley Ann Warren?

Will & Grace and Murphy Brown both decided to do #MeToo episodes in the reboot. Murphy Brown's was a little more intense because she actually went to the guy's house and confronted him.

I'm sad Debbie Reynolds is gone. I loved her as Grace's mom. The dad character is sort of flat. I guess he was always the straight man to let Debbie do her thing - so without her, he's just dull.

Debbie being gone is genuinely painful.

I know she was old and in very poor health...but it was still so awful.

So why wasn't she mad at her mother for keeping it secret to protect her father?

Messing is annoying. Why is she more of the main character than Will? The screechiness played right into her persona. Good, insightful and important storyline - but Messing avoided doing anything to integrate the harshness with humor. She used to have a hint of ditziness - now she is way too serious and uptight and I just get a really egocentric vibe from her that I don’t get from the other characters (who are better and more comedic than her)

Oy Vey.

Messing was never a good actress. Her character has always been limited and boring. Not as boring as her ex Leo but close. She has chosen to push her real life propaganda onto everyone else. She is insufferable.

For those wondering, the person playing Grace's father was 70s stand up comic/"actor" Robert Klein. He never could act worth a damn. I had a tiny one line part in a film he did in 1970 or 71 and eyes of the crew were rolling behind his back every time he said a line.

The only thing I ever saw Messing half way decent in was the failed 1998 show Prey. Strictly drama, no comedy.

The father is Robert Klein, for you millennial dimwits who have no clue. Klein was a very famous stand-up comedian from the 60's, 70's and 80's and who starred in They're Playing Our Song on Broadway with Lucie Arnaz. He is given very little to do on Will and Grace and his character is charmless, at best. Klein's talents are wasted.

We should do what they do in the UK, which is to give a reboot 3 or 4 episodes a year and call it a day. That way the desire to see the show and it’s stars again is fulfilled and the show doesn’t get stale and ridiculous, as shows always do when they go on and on for years past their freshness date.

Did Rbt Klein have a breakdown or something? He was everywhere, then he disappeared. He and George Carlin were practically regulars on SNL, they appeared so frequently as hosts in the early years. Then he dropped off the face of the earth for 30 years

For those of you who like the waitress in last night's ep, her name is Marth Kelly and she is a stand-up and also a regular on Baskets on FX and she's hilarious.

I was afraid to watch this week's episode by the comments here, but I actually liked it better than last week's. The Grace part was not exactly funny, but it told the story with well-paced comedic relief. I thought the Dad was great. I also liked Debra's performance, not as over the top. I like this Grace much better. The Jack-off was okay... some funny parts but really saved by Jack's big "make marriage gay" speech at the end.

I know most of you love to rail on Debra Messing, but I always found her more interesting as a serious actress. Anybody see Mothman Prophecies? She was quite good.

Bloopers for this week's ep

Yeah, I cannot fathom what's wrong with you assholes who are ragging on this episode so badly. It was fine. And the waitress was totally funny, loved her. The subject matter was both timely and handled well. I swear, some of you bitch just to bitch.

Loved the waitress.

"I swear, some of you bitch just to bitch. "

do you know where you are r228 ?

[quote]you millennial dimwits who have no clue. Klein was a very famous stand-up comedian from the 60's, 70's and 80's

You're not a millennial if you didn't know who the popular stand up acts were in the 1960s-1980s. Do the math. If you were aged 20-30 from 1980-1990 (when you'd be listening to stand up acts), you'd be 58 now. That's hardly a millennial. Even if you were 20 in 1990 and somehow saw his stand up, you'd be 48 now. Again, gen x.

The Waitress needs to be made a recurring character.

Had to search for the leave Britney alone monologue. Is this where it comes from? This annoying little Glee-watching, Shawn Mendes-worshipping, emptyheaded, bottle blond bitch? I could not get through it.

Yeah, that is it, r233. Then he went into porn. I wont post the NSFW - but you can google plenty of it.

That thing was a man? I thought it was a girl. Her breakdown is like most DLers on a good day.

They really do need to find some way to incorporate that waitress into the cast , maybe she can come to the big city looking for a job and end up Karen's new maid.

The maid is wooden, robotic, unfunny, a terrible actress. She may as well play Grace.

R237 I meant the waitress.

or MAYBE, hear me out, maybe that was the role she was to play r236 ?

Whatever. The new WaG is about as much fun as a cold british lesbian forced to have sex with a man.

Grace's father was originally played by Alan Arkin. I guess he didn't want to be involved anymore, so they recast with Robert Klein. Klein also played Messing's character's father on her previous series, "The Mysteries of Laura."

For those of you who want to see a good movie with Messing in it, check out this year's "Searching," starring John Cho.

The least plausible part of this thread is the “Leave Britney alone!” fan boy turned out to be a top in bareback gay porn.

Seriously, we should count our blessing we have Karen Walker and Beverly Leslie.

R233/R235, are you really that clueless you'd never heard of that before? Seriously?

R231, I was not referring to myself, you dumbass. I was referencing any READERS who might be millennials and who might not know who Robert Klein is.

Oh excuse me R244, let me rephrase the obvious to make it blindingly clear for you.

ONE is not a millennial if you didn't know who the popular stand up acts were in the 1960s-1980s. Do the math. If you were aged 20-30 from 1980-1990 (when you'd be listening to stand up acts), you'd be 58 now. That's hardly a millennial. Even if you were 20 in 1990 and somehow saw his stand up, you'd be 48 now. Again, gen x.

Wait wait - clarifying further:

ONE is not a millennial if one didn't know who the popular stand up acts were in the 1960s-1980s. Do the math. If one was age 20-30 from 1980-1990 (when one would be listening to stand up acts), this person would be 58 now. That's hardly a millennial. Even if one was 20 in 1990 and somehow saw his stand up, that person be 48 now. Again, gen x.

Just Jack!

I never watched the original but the reboot is okay.

Jack is annoying as fuck, I like the rest of them.

R248 But none of them can do slapstick like Jack.

Millennials may not know who the popular comedians were in the 60's or 70's. Robert Klein was popular before they were born. That is all I meant, you OCD freak. All your math is ridiculous. I wasn't trying to match up any age group with performers popular during their lifetimes.

Coco Peru should be a recurring character.

I lost it when Karen turned to CoCo and said "Grace!"

Other choices on the “Wheel of Monologues” included “No Wire Hangers” and “Sally Fields - You Like Me”. Nice attention to small details.

R252 That was surprisingly funny because that line sort of came out of nowhere but was also so Karen.

maybe this is how "gay" should be done?

Gabraham Twinkoln.

Just Gaybraham!

I'm enjoying tonight's ep.

This play sucks harder than a girl with daddy issues!

I just saw a commercial for a Netflix series (I think it's a series) starring Michael Douglas and Alan Arkin. I suppose that's why he didn't reprise his role as Grace's father this season.

John Cryer.

Meghan this season seems for some reason to be suddenly really hamming, almost parodying, her Karen character’s voice (?).

It took me a minute to figure out Shakes-queer. Then, I laughed for a minute.

So after two more episodes there won't be any new episodes until the fall of 2019, almost a year from now? That sucks!

I still enjoy it and think it's funny.

It's still a great show.....even fresher! Addition of David Schwimmer is fantastic....great pairing for Grace

Debra Messing's timing is off. She is SO LOUD!!!

What are you talking about R264? This season has 18 episodes-2 more than last season. They'll be on at least through April

R268 He misunderstood the length of the hiatus... There are two more episodes this year and then the show goes on winter hiatus to return in the *spring* of 2019. I hope Bomer shows up in the next couple of episodes!

Used to love Megan/Karen but she is so far over the top I cringe when she enters a scene. Gave up a couple episodes when Jack was equally ridiculous (though Sean’s abundant physical comedy talents were evident).

Matt Bomer in the house.

Andy Cohen diss.

Lorraine Finster has arrived.

aka The British Open lol.

Anderson Cooper diss.

The whole Jack working a reverse-my-fair-lady scheme on Will was kind of fun, especially when he wasn’t seeing himself being the inspiration. And for a change Will was playing not-so-smart, and Bomer was playing a bit of a douche. Until that mask cracks at the end when Will calls him on his insecurity. Good mid-season cliffhanger, can go in so many directions.

Tonight’s episode was great.

Plot hole! A high-end homo like McCoy looking for a "boy toy" would never give over-the-hill Will (why was he so tanned?) a second glance! Otherwise, a good episode. Bomer did a better job that I thought he would. But what happened to Grace? Was she just left for dead on the stage?

They really are pumping an empty well with this show. Christ that was laugh free.

R279 I laughed plenty even though going in thinking the episode would be ho-hum from the preview. Maybe this reboot's just not for you.

[quote]Good mid-season cliffhanger, can go in so many directions.

Originally they wrote the episode as a one shot for Matt Bomer's character then at the last minute they changed the ending.

Matt Bomer will be back for three more episodes as Will's boyfriend before he gets replaced by Barrett Foa from NCIS: LA as another suitor for Will.

They are not playing Will to his strength. He is exactly the right age to be the rich and smart "daddy", and the boyfriends should be his "boy toys".

R278 Funny fact, the actor's actual husband is the same age as Eric McCormack (55) and they're also both McCormack and the husband are both Canadian.

You know if they rebooted this show with new actors, Bomer could play Will!

I still can't get over the fact that Fletcher's boy went psycho and did himself in.

Eric McCormack pings so much to me. In interviews, atthat Paley Media fest thing.... every time I watch him off the show, he seems so closeted.

He's Canadian. It's a thing they do R286.

no, that;s british! ^

I thought that was Finn Wittrock.

[quote]“Sally Fields - You Like Me”. Nice attention to small details.

Too bad we can't say the same for you.

Ugh, oh, dear indeed.

I wish Karen would leave. She’s a cartoon and the novelty has worn off. She’s incredibly,y grating this season.

R280 thinks she's funny, R292.

I thought that was one of the better episodes of the reboot. Certainly better than that cheesy #MeToo episode that felt shoehorned in.

I think their major mistake was erasing Will's son and Grace's daughter. They didn't need to make them major characters in the reboot but it would have opened up the characters to many different storylines in relation to their (now) middle-aged lives. I feel as if Will and Grace are just stuck and there's been no change in their lives for the past 15 years. They just seem to be spinning in place. I thought that's what Jack and Karen were for, no?

Matt B looked much thinner here than in his USA days.

R286 he probably is

Erasing any growth Will and Grace had does lend a certain sadness to the proceedings. Here are two characters approaching (or already in) middle age who only really seem to have each other. They're still weirdly codependent on one another.

R295 You hit it on the head. Karen and Jack are shallow and lack selfawareness. It makes sense they don't change. Grace is pushing 50 and still tragically self-involved and needy. Will is only a tiny hit better, but still controlling and an insecure elitist. I think Schwimmer is a nice addition and works well with McCornack.

I will say the Bomer episode the other night was the hardest I've laughed at a sitcom in forever. Great pacing, although the Grace singing bit is as stale as her character.

I agree they should have kept the kids. They could have been brought in as needed as needed and given them more story line possibilities.

What happened to "Grill" working together? I missed that explanation whilst switching over to "Mom" in the same time slot.

There were some nice guest appearances in the new episode, from Adam Rippon to Matt Bomer. Lots of name dropping too, Andy Cohen, Anderson Cooper etc. Loved it.

Bomer was actually rather good in this. Color me surprised. I've never been a fan, but I liked him in this and on stage in The Boys in the Band last summer.

Rippon was good, too. I could see him moving into acting.

"Thank you, BARRY."

According to James Burrows, Will & Grace has always been a non-threatening clown show. Jack and Karen are obvious clowns, Grace is Lucille Ball and Will is the anchor. It’s just meant to be enjoyed.

Yet they have Grace be raped by her father's best friend and Will contemplate suicide for shock value.

R305 Actually, that might explain why they have failed in their personal relationships! Low self esteem deep down masked by their self-obsessiveness.

Seeing Bomer on this show really brings back memories when Will was not so old and tired looking.

I have all but forgotten this was on.

It was fun in the first post return episodes, but Will and Grace acting the same as always is really tiresome.

And to be honest, Karen being a Trumper just killed it for me. She may have been a narcissist, but she was never that blatantly evil. Cynical, sarcastic, even cruel occasionally for her own enjoyment, sure. But she'd be too smart and too busy having fun to involve herself in the politics.

So what exactly was the cliff hanger? If Bomer will go with Will? Who the fuck cares?

R307. this storyline is somewhat of a rehash of the Cyrano de Bergerac storyline between Will and Patrick Dempsey's sports reporter character.

R308, her ex-husband is a multi-millionaire. Of course, she would be a Republican. It's also completely in line with her character.

R310 Exactly, Karen only has a heart for a few minutes at a time and only with certain people close to her. She would never be "woke" enough to be anti-Trump unless he comes personally to take away her money or booze!

R310 Also this rehash doesn't make any sense since who in their right mind would think Will is "boy toy" material. It's ridiculous. Will is clearly "daddy" material and they should write around that!

The four characters are all reasonably good-looking and charismatic, to the point that it doesn’t make sense that they’re not in longer-term relationships or are still all living in such close proximity at this point in their lives. Yes, I get it that’s the MO of the show’s premise—but it leaves their characters sadly going nowhere and not growing.

Yes, R310!

It might play too close to home R283 for Will to be "daddy" with McCoy. Yet I hope that happens when Bomer returns for his 3-episode stint!

Do you, R315!?!

Seeing a fresh handsome face on this show is exciting! While I don't detest the show as being old and tired as others do, only having the same old characters doing the same old things will not attract any new audience.

Re313 Karen is still tied to Stan after all this time (she's in the process of divorce so that might be some progress for her). Alec B. had his own show (briefly this fall), the ABC game show & SNL to deal with so maybe he couldn't commit to being on W.& G. as much as they would've liked hence Karen still being stuck with Stan for the time being.

Jack has a "long term" boyfriend now (for him that's progress).

Grace now has Noah this season so that could be something if David S. doesn't walk away from the role.

Will seems to be the one stuck in his situation from years ago. The fact that the Bomer thing is short lived & another guy is on the way proves this.

I would've liked the 4 of them to have sig. others in their lives when show returned & would've been their own gang of 4 that enjoyed hanging out together.

A real recurring character tour de force/blowout.

It would've been fun for the 4 newbies (possibly sitting around at a bar) to update the audience on the 4 original characters during the off years in the reboot's return episode.

I'm curious if Bomer's character will meet Noah or Jack's guy in his few remaining episodes.

R318 The show surely does need new blood that actually sticks around (they've had side characters that are one episode only/didn't work out or just appear now and then) and some eye candy would be nice (which Bomer did a fine job at this ep)! Nostalgia can only take the show so far and it ultimately leads to a diminishing audience.

Hope McCoy sleeps with Will so he can walk around the apartment shirtless or in a towel. Then he can meet Karen (oh, and Grace, too) before he goes bye bye.

Does E McCormack have pancreatic cancer? They put makeup on his ears. That's why I ask. One of Bowie's last public appearances at a play in NY, his handlers forgot to hide his jaundice ears with makeup. One look and you knew the rumors were true.

Eric looks really sick here.

R321 Can he still show up for taping with pancreatic cancer?!

He doesn't look bad at all in this photo. He just looked bad in this episode like he had some fake tan makeup sprayed on his face.

[quote]I'm curious if Bomer's character will meet Noah or Jack's guy in his few remaining episodes.

He apparently will meet Noah.

From what I can tell he already shot 3 episodes (only one has aired) but he has at least one more to film.

[quote] Her ex-husband is a multi-millionaire. Of course, she would be a Republican. It's also completely in line with her character.

She was rich, sure, but she was generally a narcissist in a way that was sort of live and let live. Making her a Trumper just took it to an ugly place that Karen never was before.

R325, I respectfully disagree. I think you're taking your own feelings for Trump and projecting them onto Karen's character.

Karen and Trump have probably known each other for years as they would be part of the same NYC social circle. She didn't vote for Trump because he spoke out against Mexicans or because he's rolling back trans legislation, she voted for him because Karen Walker will always vote Republican and she will always vote for the candidate who best represents her economic interests. In this instance, Karen voted for one of her own and that's completely in line with her character.

For crying out loud-its a tv show. Not a documentary. Of course Karen would vote for Trump. Its totally inline with her character. Did hou watch the original series? Also love it or hate it but the show has really improved this season. Some younare saying the characters are stuck in time and not showing growth but shit on the two episodes that actually show depth to the characters and their background. Fuck some of you are grating. Just enjoy the show or not.

#metoo, R327. They're talking about this thing like it needs Cliffs Notes. It's a fun sit com that isn't ashamed or tentative about two gay leads (three if you count Karen.)

But, would Blair Warner vote for Trump?

The Will and Grace reboot offered nostalgic fun but was really rough when it came back. Last night’s (01/32/2019) episode was SO much better than the earlier reboot ones, or else I was in a weirdly perfect mood to be entertained. The spiked chocolate milk thing turned out to be funny, the CGI butterflies funny, Grace’s “lesbian” sister surprisingly funny, Grace’s acting surprisingly back into her 90s groove, Karen’s singing really great.

The whole Karen storyline cutting between reality and her perception of it was really well done. And really sad/nostalgic about a character we’ve never seen. Regardless of all the questionable things she’s said and done over the years, I really felt sadness for her in this episode.

R331 I’m glad someone else here appreciated it. I figured I’ll be trolled for my reaction. The editing and the writing overall was a huge improvement—Jack and Will had a weirdly (for this show) romantic face-feeling moment, and then hallucinated butterflies at the door; cut to Karen singing on stage; cut to Karen on the washing machine; finish with two minutes of Karen singing like a pro onstage, without any sarcasm or humor. Really surprisingly good episode.

R330, I had no idea January had 32 days.

Alert, SUPER MARY POST:

They gave a nod to Judy Garland by putting Karen in that blue dress with the white sleeves. It was similar to Garland's (Esther's ) outfit when she sang The Man That Got Away.

After watching a couple episodes where I never laughed once, I stopped watching. Watched most of last night's episode and never laughed once. I loathe Grace now and her stupid sister and wtf is Chelsea doing on that revolting cunt. Karen was ok but not great, they are trying way too hard to humanize and add emotional depth to a clown. Jack looks terrible and is no longer funny. Will is pointless as usual. Will not watch again. Would rather watch paint dry. The laugh track is insanely annoying.

Karen was "ok, but not great?" Seriously?

if you "have " to hate a show, you will hate it hard! right r335 ?

When does Bomer come back?

“Ok but not great” = Donald Trump or someone who aspires to be him.

Was Grace's older sister on before and does have two sisters? I only remember Geena Davis as the older sister but maybe recall a Debbie R. episode with a sister but she seemed close in age to Grace.

Sara Rue played her younger sister who had a a crush on Wilma.

Megan Mullally nailed The Man That Go Away. One of the best, most deeply felt versions since Judy's.

Yeah, Karen's love for Stan was so deep.

But at his fake funeral she was all about the Benjamins and one upping his mistress found under the bed.

The episode was very disjointed and Chelsea needs acting lessons.

[quote] Megan Mullally nailed The Man That Go Away. One of the best, most deeply felt versions since Judy's.

My favorite version 😅

R339 voted for Trump. Die cunt die.

R333 It does if you drink W & G chocolate milk.

The butterflies will explain it to you.

Here's the full rendition of The Man that Got Away from the show

Really liked last nights ep. Wriiing was like the old days!

Ladies and gentlemen, this is how it's done (in one take, no less)

Thanks for that, R349. After 65 years....sublime. The Maryiest of Mary posts, I know.

I like the show but I must admit

the most recent episode was a chore to sit through.

They should have kept Will and Grace's kids in case they ran out of stories which they certainly did.

r352 Yes, and there are so many series and movies that deal with childlessness, and so few viewers who can relate to it.

They didn't have to feature them every week but could have been referred to. Why throw the babies out with the bathwater?

You would think the writers would've been smart enough to give the kids they took away from the lead characters over to their siblings

like Grace's sister (instead of the tired & cringing "my sister is going to go gay" plot they recently did that went over like a lead balloon).

They could have plenty of aunt & uncle subplots without the leads being tied down with kids every episode.

Also why did Debra M. go off on Megan K. for suggesting that gay was a choice only to do this "my sister is choosing to be a lesbian" episode. Apparently neither the cast nor the writers are aware of bisexuals or are will to stand up for them. If Grace's sis was dating men in he past & was now pursuing a woman then she would be a bisexual instead of a lesbian). Maybe Megan K. should call Debra M. a hypocrite on the issue (but she is probably too busy counting her recent $$$)..

Does anyone else have any ideas to improve the show?

I don't know how much more I can take of Jack & Karen being dumber than Chrissy Snow & Rose Nylund. It's just too far fetched now.

Debra Messing is such a cunty hypocrite.

What happened to Will and Grace working together?

This season of W&G has taught me to love people on their own terms.

No expectations, no consistency. Just love.

I'm still watching it hoping it would get better but, at this point, it's obvious they have no clue where to go and what to do with the characters. Unfortunately, the original run is also in syndication and only underlines the inferiority of the reboot. This would've worked much better on one of the streaming services where storylines could be more adult instead of trying to recycle the jokes from 20 years ago with that canned laughter.

Terrible episode

Shit show. Hate their theme song too.

You're a shit show, R361, and we're going to cancel YOU!

R361 = Crazy Matt.

Sexy Matt was on again tonight.

Fun fact: the building used for exteriors of Will, Grace and Jack’s apartments is on Riverside Dr., same street as the mansion where Neal Caffree lived in White Collar.

Sexy Matt is so fucking sexy. Damn.

WIll looks like his daddy.

They aren't that far apart in age, right? About 15 yrs?

Matt really did a bad, ugly cry. he needs more real life practice.

Old actors on old people's tired show.

R367, About 15-14 years which is quite a bit.

Eric McCormick turns 56 this year. Matt Bomer turns 42 later this year.

Matt Bomer's actual husband just turned 55 in January.

This show is beyond TERRIBLE. My boyfriend insist we watch it. What are these storylines? David schwimmer? UGH. WHY can't they ever get Grace's boyfriend casting right? Jack and karen are so tired. matt bomer has no idea how to play comedy. Stretching out a storyline of grace running for president of something? Really? Bringing back Val again? alec Baldwin's annoying not funny ass. If they were gonna have Karen divorce Stan they shoulda just kept him dead. Lame lame writing. Grace is on a ledge sitting on bird eggs? Come on. And these people are getting paid very well for this stupid bullshit..

I still think it's funny. I agree last night's show was kind of over the top with that annoying Bomer character and stupid bird story. The writers clearly are still writing Grace as Lucille Ball. Overall, I still think it's a fun show. This second season of the revival (or whatever you call it) is much better than the first.

The show has slid quickly back into a parody of itself, just as it had the first time through.

However, Bomer looked very handsome and was worth wading through the morass to see.

come on guys! how can you say bad things about last night's show after seeing Grace in her birds nest hat?

This show has always relied too heavily on the one-off guest characters. I'm fine with the Bomer and Schwimmer arcs. In fact, I feel like they raise the bar a bit, Schwimmer especially. The show needs new regular characters. The main four characters have become unspeakably boring and predictable.

Baldwin is long in the tooth and keeps getting away with being a brute. More and more I'm having a difficult time believing he only physically lashes out at photographers. Enough with him.

Without Rosario or Bobbi Adler, this show is pointless.

lots of bed heads last night

Is Karen really going to start dating Samira Wiley now?! That's kinda insane, in a good way.

A vagitarian - Karen Walker you funny girl.

Fail episode again. The skinny black chick just doesn't seem like Karen's type.

Last night was funnier than usual.

Getting worse and worse. They really like hyping up matt bomer, who looks like a freak to me.

Matt Bomer is animatronic

Yeah...the revival was great in the beginning but it's lost that momentum. I still enjoy the Karen and Jack stuff tho.

Interesting how polarized the opinions here are. I’m in the opposite camp from yours, R384. I felt like last season/the first reboot season was weak, with the performers out of practice, the characters creepily juvenile and unevolved, many of the storylines such as the premiere too forced and political—fine, but not funny.

This season IMO is just much more entertaining. All the actors are back in their grooves as the characters, and the Will and Grace characters actually feel age appropriate. Karen and Jack are cartoons, and so I can’t care now that they’re totally unrealistic when they never were to begin with.

I also surprisingly love David Schwimmer in this role. He’s my favorite Grace boyfriend. She’s an awful person, so she deserves to date a jerk. Harry Connick was too good for her.

I also like Matt Bomer in this role, but I think the writing is relying too much on his appearance. He’s attractive. How long can that be the focus? It’s kind of annoying.

I even like Jack’s boyfriend now after last week, when he suddenly revealed a personality and motivations.

I think the show is getting better, honestly. And the one really superficial thing I will say is that this thread has been very critical of McCormick’s appearance—are you kidding?? He is 56 and to me he looks incredible. I’m 40 and he has the exact build I have always coveted and could never have. Fifty six! And he looks like that! I imagine up close he might be kind of freaky looking since there is zero chance he hasn’t had a facelift, but on camera he is A+ for someone approaching 60. My boss turned 60 last month and he could easily pass for McCormick’s father.

I might have very poor taste but I think Bomer is good looking and would def date him

if they gave the boot to debra messing I would watch the thing.....she makes my skin crawl.

r385 Agreed. I thought the start of the season was pretty laboured but these last few episodes have been great. There's still a hysterical gem or two in each episode, which is impressive. And I can't help but still enjoy the chemistry between the four of them; it's so comforting.

R388 Same. And I find Messing kind of grating in real life, but she is the most natural of all the cast in her character (except Karen) and I don’t see Messing when I am watching Grace. The revival also is evidence that Meghan Mullally is just a brilliant comic actress. She is the only one who didn’t seem a little rusty or “off,” and she is so fucking absurdly funnny. She is as close as we ever got to our own AbFab—and I don’t mean the drinking and drugging; just the damn-it-all-to-hell performance style.

God, I find Mulally’s portrayal completely insufferable at this point. She dialed it up to ten during the original run but now it’s like twenty. I know she’s talented but seriously needs to be reined in.

Oh no she bedda don’t, R390.

Grace's best boyfriend will always be Woody Harrelson. I do like Schwimmer, though. I'm now assuming he didn't work much after Friends because people only saw him as Ross. I'm glad he's back. And it's about time the show had a black character, even a semi-regular one or guest star. The last one was Gregory Hines. 20 Years Ago. I thought it was a nice touch when they named Will's son Ben, a nod to Hines' character. It's amazing how long this show has gotten away with being all white characters for so long.

Yes, I'm surprised they stayed white so long...

R383 YES. That is the perfect description. I couldn't think of the word. He has freak crazy eyes to me. R384 I agree. But by end of last season I was over it. I can't even enioy Jack and Karen anymore. They both are way too over the top now. It's campy. I would never watch if my boyfriend did not put it on every week.

ah! the sacrifices of love ^

Between the weekly stunt casting and the speed with which all of the characters have devolved into caricatures of human beings, the only way to watch the show is as a farce.

During it's first run, I was grateful for it's groundbreaking push to have the show center around a gay man.

Today, I realize that the depiction does us no favors.

^^^true.

You guys say Jack and Karen are too over the top now. In the original run, Karen used to drink pills with martinis while her Latina maid pulled her around in a rickshaw, and faced off with a midget who blew away off a balcony in a windstorm. I mean...

r396 Your grammar certainly shouldn't do you any.

[quote]During it's first run, I was grateful for it's groundbreaking push to have the show center around a gay man. Today, I realize that the depiction does us no favors.

I could have told you that when it was a new show. And after that Debra Messing cupcake debacle, she’s just another hetero handmaid who supports gay erasure. That guy on Jump the Shark back in the day who said “this show is an insult to gays everywhere” while defending [italic]Soap[/italic]’s Jodie Dallas was right.

The same people who championed this show are the same ones who engineered the transjacking of gay culture.

Speaking of grammar R399, you can't even make a complete sentence.

Husband and I weren't really big fans of the way this went, and we watch weekly.

Will and Grace splitting up didn't work in the original (Grace going off with Leo) though it was a natural evolution. Why are they pushing it so soon now? Ross and ESPECIALLY Matt Bomer aren't charismatic love interests at all, so I don't get it. Samira Wiley is a TERRIBLE actress (see: Handmaids Tale) so this is annoying also.

Also Grace's dad being the "heavy" in two episodes (#metoo and the gay blood panic ep) was a bit much this season.

LOVE Estefan, though. Grace having to sit on the bird's nest was a LOL moment.

The episode with Will and Jack getting stoned was very funny.

Matt Bomer is goddamn funny. Love him as the needy boyfriend. Nice twist for Will being the one who doesn't care so much.

While I didn't like the episode as a whole the one that blew me away was the one where Megan Mullally sang The Man That Got Away. I had no idea she had such a wonderful and powerful singing voice. Actually I didn't know she could sing at all.

It’s a dumb network sitcom. As someone who has had sufficient, I think it’s more than sufficient for what it is.

Grace hospitalizing RBG was also hilarious. Deb really brought the old Grace back lately.

The way Nathan dumped Grace so brutally didn't fit in at all with the way the character was written. He was a great boyfriend who dumped her for nothing at all which sent Grace into a mini breakdown.

I thought it was cute when David and Matt were in bed together. It would be funny if they left Will and Grace for each other because they "find them exhausting".

did not enjoy this ep as much as others. but now we see how they get rid of Schwimmer.

butch Karen just doen't work

R402, I think it's pretty clear that these characters will always end up back at square one and while I didn't like them splitting up in the original, I appreciated the idea that this was the way it was going to go. There could have also been a happy medium where they ended up in the same building together but no that's not dramatic enough.

R385, McCoy/Matt Bomer's character is starting to annoy me. The jokes focusing on his appearance and his thoughts about them worked when he was only supposed to be a one episode character but giving him 3 more episodes and continuing to focus on them is irksome.

R389, Megan was amazing on Parks & Recreation as Ron's (her real life husband Nick Offerman's) ex-wife "Tammy." She was always just a guest star, appeared for a few scenes and completely stole the show and sold you on the character in that time. She is such an incredible talent.

Samira Wiley is still a terrible actress and this Karen subplot is too. much.

Samira Wiley always seems like she's so proud of herself for just getting the words out - like a child who's just aced their addition and subtraction tests. No character at all. I only see her.

I just think the writing is lame...I like the fact that it is back on the air but I rarely watch it. "Must see TV" it is not.

well done wedding episode. great laugh lines. especially Schmitty.

Is this the end of the series? Because this episode definitely felt like it.

I'm straight!

MM just confirmed a season 11 on Twitter.

Did you miss the title where it said it was renewed for season 3 R417?

So all those years of Karen teasing bisexuality were for nothing

I wish this show had more SHOW! It is only ten minutes of show with 20 minutes of commercials. Jeez.

I saw Karen's accidental announcement coming. Cute homage and Smitty always makes me smile. Otherwise meh episode.

So far I’m liking Reid Scott and how they wrote him, as Grace’s new potential bf. Miss Coco “it burns Gabriel” Peru as the surprise officiant was perfect. Like someone posted above the shows are short, which limits character development. However, that’s part of the sitcom genre.

I've been very happily surprised at how good this revival is. Some of these shows are as good as the best of the original. That's extremely rare in a revival! Lord knows they didn't manage it with poor Murphy Brown. But happily, the original spirit of W&G is still as sharp and funny as ever.

Shame on this show for making Karen Walker straight! Having her explore a real lesbian relationship would have been one of the most interesting story lines on this show. I actually tried to watch new episodes as soon as I could the past couple of weeks. Now, I do not give a damn if I ever see another episode!

oh please! r426 Karen has always been a cock chaser.

I thought it was a great episode, although I do think that Jack married the wrong person. I have never warmed to that character and find him annoying and unfunny. Also, Matt Bomer is growing on me. His Ken-doll boring looks and anodyne talents are perfect as a complement to the character of Will Truman.

How can Grace just leave her design business and fly off to Europe with a stranger like that? I guess they will address all that in season three.

Karen Walker is bisexual, R427.

Hopefully this means no more Samira Wiley and Ross.

[quote]Hopefully this means no more Samira Wiley and Ross.

And let's hope they take Matt Boomer with them.

ugh. Ross as a boyfriend.

PI VOT!!!

This show is not that funny, and the amped-up laugh track track doesn't make it any better.

you mean live studio audience? ^

That live studio audience has definitely been sweetened in post production. The jokes, mugging and pratfalls are just so tired…

I'm loving Matt Bomer. He's very funny.

I went to a live taping last summer and the audience was gay millenials and young women along with people who had donated thousands to charity for a guaranteed entry ticket. The warm up comic told Golden Girls anecdotes that the audience ate up! He knew his demo! A lot of people had shirts with quotes on them and homemade badges and pins. The crowd was wild and so giddy and excited to be there they would laugh at everything and anything. Now I assume the studio audience is still sweetened. There’s an interview at the Emmy Foundation archives with a guy who did that job in the 70s for all the shows that proudly said “Filmed in Hollywood before a live studio audience”. I’m sure it’s standard.

But make no mistake the audience laughed at everything to the point I wondered if we were useful. Our role traditionally is to let the writers know if the jokes are landing but we were so hyped we were laughing before the punchline.

The show films on the Universal lot now which disappointed me. I was hoping to get into CBS Radford where they filmed the original 8 seasons, it doesn’t offer tours but was the home of most of the classics Seinfeld, Mary Tyler Moore etc... The line to get into the show is outside the soundstage and every 15 minutes the Universal trolley tour would come along and the tourists would snap pictures of us thinking we were actors.

I was a bit cheeky and brought along a MTM script with me hoping Jimmy Burrows the director might sign it. He’s directed all my favorite shows and is a genius and it doesn’t hurt that he plays himself in “The Comeback”. Anyway, I asked the warm up guy and when he repeated my question Jimmy looked up at the bleachers and said “Me?” He seemed surprised and flattered and came over, they passed down the script and signed he signed it. Then he said, though I didn’t ask, “if you want to break into the business just go home and start, write something, get on a set making coffee. Don’t go to film school and don’t procrastinate” At the end of the show as we were applauding the cast a female writer? script supervisor? passed her copy of the script up to me to keep. It was a great day and I’m glad I did it but probably wouldn’t repeat it. It’s a long process and the wait is in the sun.

It's just not that there is a lot more audience applause sweetening in the reboot's episodes. It's that it comes on and is timed awkwardly not well synched to the action and funny bits going on. It reminds me of the uncomfortable way that seemed to happen in the later Lucille Ball-Desi Arnaz, post-I Love Lucy hourlong Connecticut specials. Gives an artificial quality to what you're watching and listening to going on. The audience laughter reaction feedback in their blooper reels sounds natural--if they're going to sweeten the audiences' laugh reactions to scenes, at least time and handle it better.

The quick-change camera angles and shots they're using between characters in single-shot scenes this reboot around, don't help the dialogue and action to seem natural, either. I thought the next-to-last new season episode felt and looked closest to the original series episodes' better character blocking, interaction and direction, though.

Face it, Grace on the ledge and Grace nearly killing RBG were the only bits all season that actually are true to the Will and Grace legacy.

More Esteban, please. He is adorable, funny, sexy as fuck and sly. A terrific new character.

I can't watch it anymore. It's gotten so cartoonish and broad. Pass.

Other than my 24/7 diet of MSNBC, Will & Grace is the only network show I watch. I love it! Glad it's back. Hope it lasts for years to come.

Jack's husband is Estefan Gloria, not Esteban.

Was the intention really to have Will and Grace get together? That's fucked up. Is America so heteronormative that we wish a gay man to marry a woman with all the uncertainty and lies and cheating that would come with it? That would not ve a happy ending imo

Estefan Gloria?!?! What wit!!!!!

Will and Grace should not get together. I know that would please the women that watch the show because it would tap into their weird straight woman seducing a hot gay guy fetish, but seriously....no.

I thought the last couple of episodes were....weird. Grace seems like she's on a different show now. Very serious. The Schwimmer character never worked because he was so damn unpleasant. Too unlikeable for a comedy. I love Jack's husband....he's a hoot. I just wonder what they're going to do with this marriage though...is divorce in the offing? Jack is funnier when he's a slut.

Just watched the last three episode... the one with Will/McCoy/Grace/Noah in bed together was the best this season. The dialogues/jokes all work to develop the plot instead of just for the laugh tracks. Loved the surprise appearance of officer Drew, who should have been Jack's true love not the annoying Estefan. The bachelor party one was okay but kind of pointless. Its main plot is to make Noah look like a jerk and not much else. The wedding episode was all over the place and in the end a huge let down. Having Karen go through this whole faux lesbian storyline is just stupid if not insulting. It starts off okay but get flushed down the toilet in the finale. Noah being dismissed off screen is also wasting the audience's investment in the character over a whole season. At least let them have a big blowout on screen. But these subplots along with Will/McCoy's out-of-the-blue engagement distracts from the wedding itself. Overall, It has been a very uneven season with more pointless episodes than good ones. They really have room to improve for the final season.

I miss the Gary Janetti era. The show was subversive and Will was much more tolerable.

This reboot is just dated 90’s Miller-Boyett schtick, right down to Jack’s husband and his idiotic Balky accent.

Grace just jetted to Milan with a complete stranger. He's cute. What's gonna happen?

Dismemberment

Love Jacks husband. Think the totally sold the Schwimmer character out in the last couple episodes. Same problem they had toward the end of the original run. Selling out characters because they’re desperate for plot.

Estefan is the most annoying character in the history of this show! May a house drop on him. One flamer (Jack) is enough. A flamer couple is overkill.

They sold Noah out the way they did with Nathan and Leo. Grace is always the martyr who gets wronged by men who aren't good enough for Her Grace.

[quote] Grace just jetted to Milan with a complete stranger. He's cute. What's gonna happen?

Frasier Crane ended a season with the same bit, flying off to Mexico with some strange chick who quickly dumped him. But next season he returned with Sela Ward. So maybe Grace will return to the US with Antonio Mussolini.

Didn't Grace bond with Schwimmer's daughter ? Poor kid, abandoned again.

As has been said here before, they shouldn't have retconned the babies out of existence. They would have provided the leads with some actual story.

The guy Grace flew away with was really cute and charismatic. I hope they come back as a couple and he's a part of the show.

Karen at the microphone in the airport declaring her lesbianism was a take off from Ellen's old sitcom when Ellen did the same thing.

R459 She was declaring her straightness... The whole scene didn't work... especially since it was treating the whole lesbian story line as trivial.

[quote] treating the whole lesbian story line as trivial.

It 𝑤𝑎𝑠 trivial. They handled it much better in the original show.

Nice Ka tits!

the black actress she was having the affair with was....odd. she seemed so uncomfortable.

R463 She was okay when she went one-on-one with Karen, but in the ensemble scenes, she stuck out especially since all the other characters just pretty much ignored her.

Aisha Tyler was too busy?

Just caught up with the show. Ugh Karen’s girlfriend was such poor casting. In fairness, they’ve done the lesbian storyline before in a very funny episode so this was always going to be a bit stale but they found an actress who had zero chemistry with Megan.

It is funnier when the four leads work together.

I'm going to stick with it until the bitter end since I really liked the original but I'm sort of wondering how long they'll be able to stretch this revival. It just feels very ad hoc without any idea of what to do with secondary characters once they are introduced: Samira Wiley, Matt Bomer, David Schwimmer ... None of them were fleshed out or given a particularly good storyline. It seems that they decided to stick with Esteban but he's little more than an annoying stereotype.

I predict the series will end next season with Will and Grace marrying in a double ceremony with Karen and Smitty.

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Talk about your curmudgeons, R470.

/eyeroll

I think having the characters move forward is a positive thing. I would like Will to stay married, and Jack too. How many fifty year old gay men can be sluts? I liked the first season, when Jack and Will struggled with aging.

I don’t think they would marry Will and Grace, but their neuroses are inter related.

R468 Yeah, the worst part is they invest the most time on the most annoying stereotype, Estefan. I wouldn't have minded seeing more Matt Bomer or even Shwimmer, stereotypes or not. I think the whole lesbian storyline happened because they couldn't book Alec Baldwin for Malcolm and didn't know what the heck to do with Karen.

[quote] I think the whole lesbian storyline happened because they couldn't book Alec Baldwin for Malcolm

You may be on to something. Around the time the producers were signing the contracts it DID look like Alec was going to jail.

I stopped watching the original show due to gay minstrelsy and buffoonery but i haven't missed an episode of the reboot, although i don't know why since the show is now running on fumes.

I like Jack's short, married-cop boyfriend better.

The last season was very uneven but I will still watch out of habit.

Will barely dated this season. It was all stupid filler nonsense. HORRIBLE show. End it now.

so.... true to life? ^

We can't get in to it. Running on fumes is right.

R465 Yes, I was so happy to see Officer Drew came down the elevator shaft in "Conscious Coupling"... but the show was too stupid to get rid of Estafan. Why would they saddle an already stereotypical Jack with an even more stereotypical Estafan? I want to slap him every times he calls Jack "Yack"!