I just got "Angie: The Complete Series" on DVD!

let the love flow

Who’s the star of that?

Technically, Donna Pescow, but Doris Roberts was a scene stealer.

Watching the opening credits and I'm surprised Tammy Lauren got third billing, right after Pescow and Hayes. She wasn't even in every episode and when she was on, she barely did anything. Debralee Scott should have gotten third billing, having just come off Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman. Instead she was billed fifth out of seven. Doris Roberts had the "and" billing.

Why no Bobby Hayes on the cover?

Debralee Scott just wasn't very funny. She was like a third rate Brenda Morgenstern.

After the first season they seemed to get rid of Tammy Lauren, no? She was no longer in the credits for season 2. Sharon Spelman was MUCH funnier without her.

r4 I remember Tammy Lauren would carry a "Wanamaker's" shopping bag from their Center City flagship store in the opening credits. "Wanamaker's" stores carried high-end merchandise, and the Center City store reminded of "Harrod's" in London, or as close to it as we'll ever get to it in the U.S.

[quote] Debralee Scott just wasn't very funny

Her fiancé died in the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center. She never got over it. She moved to Florida, became an alcoholic, developed cirrhosis of the liver and died in 2005.

[quote] After the first season they seemed to get rid of Tammy Lauren, no? She was no longer in the credits for season 2. Sharon Spelman was MUCH funnier without her.

Correct. They dumped Tammy Lauren and Diane Robin from the cast. The former, I suspect, because they had nothing for her to do and the latter because they changed the place of Angie's business from the diner to the beauty salon. They added Tim Thomerson to the cast as a hairdresser (and he wasn't very good). Also, John Randolph as Brad's dad and a new butler, Phipps, were recurring characters.

I think in Season Two, TPTB realized just how funny and talented Spelman was and what a good foil she could be for the Falco family and decided to increase her role. And I think always dragging the kid around limited what she could do. I adored her.

[quote]Debralee Scott just wasn't very funny.

We come to each other from different worlds, r6.

I get royalties, you know

r7 It was Sharon Spelman with the shopping bag.

And the pigeons all fly into her.

[quote] And the pigeons all fly into her.

As did the planes into the World Trade Center.

Why did Debralee Scott get hired so much in the Seventies?

I mean, she was everywhere! (For awhile).

She wasn't funny. I think my father thought she was "hot" in an extremely trashy way. Was that why she had such a prolific career for awhile?

The trouble with "Angie" was the same as the trouble with "Rhoda" (which it was consciously modeled on). Everyone very much wanted the Cinderella story of the plucky working heroine find a Prince Charming and get married, but once she got married they didn't know what to do with the husband or the marriage. So they had high ratings before the weddings which collapsed afterwards.

Sharon Spelman was the best thing in the whole show (my favorite episode is where she has to take a job as a lounge singer when her father cuts off her allowance, and she performs a hilariously sobbing version of "Daddy's Little Girl"), but once Angie was married to Brad she didn't provide enough conflict for the couple.

I wish the show had stayed longer though. Both Robert Hayes and Donna Pesco were very appealing. Doris Roberts did a kind of sketch of the character she would play decades later on "Everybody loves Raymond," and Phipps the butler was pretty funny. Plus who could forget the three Marys: Mary Grace, Mary Catherine, and Mary Mary? They are the patron saints of Datalounge.

If I remember right, Angie was one of several shows that was doing quite well in the ratings until ABC radically changed its schedule one year, trying to lead every night with a proven hit comedy. Wherever they moved Angie to was a disaster, and I think the same thing happened to Taxi.

I love the episode where Angie's family competes against her husband's snooty family on Family Feud. Only saw it once as a kid but it stuck in my memory.

R15 Right?? She was the slutty girl every high school had. Poor thing must have sucked her thumb until she was 10 years old judging from that overbite. You can put your kid on tv shows but never bother to get her braces? Even as a child I could not stand her.

Debralee Scott still holds the all-time record for achieving the highest score on Family Fued

"Different Worlds (Theme From 'Angie')" is available on Spotify, with an extra verse included!

Don't ask me how I know this...

[quote] Technically, Donna Pescow, but Doris Roberts was a scene stealer.

I thought Donna Pescow was the former star?

Allan Car wanted Debralee to play Marty in "Grease."

I’m so jealous!

Except for Robert Hayes the show was nothing but uggos. DL's love affair with Donna Pescow and Doris Roberts has got to stop

I wanted Robert Hays inside me quite deeply

When I was a youngster, I loved Maureen McGovern's "Different Worlds", tuned in every week to listen to the theme song & then promptly changed the channel.

WHY ?

R25 I agree about Donna Pescow. She's was K-Mart trashy in Saturday Night Fever and everything else.

Donna Pescow: Nice girl or c*nt?

yes!

I think Donna Pescow is out of this world!

Debralee's breakout role was as Rosalie "Hotsy" Totzi on "Welcome Back, Kotter."

Did she do porn as was the gossip back in the day?

My gayling self always thought she was dirty looking.

Donna Pescow, R36?

DLS!!!!

Porn doesn’t mix with Doris

Debralee played the kidnap victim in 'Dirty Harry', the one who was trapped in the buried box. She had a great figure, so that's probably how she got that job since there was no dialogue. I thought she was very good in 'Mary Hartman', but I didn't understand why she didn't invest in fixing her teeth. She dated lots of rock musicians, and her TV career was short-lived, after which she went into management. One of her first movies was 'Lisa Bright and Dark' starring DL icon Kay Lenz as a mentally-ill high school student. I watched it on YouTube awhile back, and it was hilariously awful. It was a reminder of how misunderstood and stigmatized mental illness was back then.

[quote] Everyone very much wanted the Cinderella story of the plucky working heroine find a Prince Charming and get married, but once she got married they didn't know what to do with the husband or the marriage. So they had high ratings before the weddings which collapsed afterwards.

That's not at all what happened. Brad proposed to Angie in the pilot and they were married by Episode 3. The whole show was about how a rich doctor and a poor waitress could overcome the class prejudices of their families and have a successful marriage. It was the actual concept.

The ratings were very strong the whole first season, but as the poster upthread mentioned, ABC totally fucked with their schedule in the 79-80 season and among the casualties were Mork and Mindy, which limped along for two more seasons, Laverne & Shirley which plummeted from #1 to outside the Top 30, Happy Days, which fell from #3 to #17, and Angie, which had been in the Top 5 for the year its first season and plummeted in its second.

I know Wikipedia erroneously states the information about viewers losing interest after Brad and Angie were married, but a look at the list of episodes will tell you they were married in Episode 3 of Season 1. So viewers couldn't have been that turned off if the whole season ranked #5 for the year. Wikipedia even states Brad and Angie were married in the 2nd season premiere which is totally incorrect.

"Why did Debralee Scott get hired so much in the Seventies?"

Maybe because of her unusual looks? Red hair, prominent overbite...she kind of stood out. Anyway, here's some trivia; she was once the girlfriend of Michael McDonald of the Doobie Brothers.

r41 You DO know that anyone can edit Wikipedia, don't you? Why don't you fix the errors yourself?

When I was a teenager in NYC in the early 90s, I took a temp summer job at my aunt's food demo company. It was basically handing out samples and giving information about different kinds of foods. I worked at a bunch of grocery stores, Macy's, Bloomingdales (where I was giving out full Haagen Dazs bars and got so mobbed, they knocked over my cart and I was thrown out) and the Jacob Javits Center during the Food Expo.

I was manning the Haagen Dazs booth for three days, and was so busy scooping, (we were the 2nd most popular booth, right after Ben & Jerry's) I could barely even look up at people. I had my head in the freezer and I hear this unmistakable voice. I look up and it's Debralee Scott. She had left the biz and started a catering company called "Shut Up and Eat" and was at the expo with her business partner.

Doris would be proud

Doris was a cunt

Debralee should of gone on to bigger things after that.

Should of

Debralee. was in the film "Reincarnation of Peter Proud" and the t.v. edit of "Earthquake". I thought she was fun and loved her on the game shows. She was quite smart and good at the games.

I wish they would put the TV edit of Earthquake on the blu ray like they did with Two Minute Warning. The TV version of 2MW was DREADFUL, but it was fascinating to watch once just from a filmmaking standpoint.

This is a thread about “Angie” not fucking dead Debralee Scott!

I guess we know who the gays love, don't we Donna?

R51/Donna, you are straying from "good girl" toward "pig" as it was dubbed in the tv and airline edits

I didn't know about Debralee's death. Very sad.

I was a kid back then and always happy to see Debralee pop up in things. It obviously wasn’t because I thought she was hot. She was just really likable either as herself or playing a character.

More trivia: Debralee played the dead body of the kidnapped girl in "Dirty Harry."

Donna, why don't you ever acknowledge your other series that lasted quite a bit longer than "Angie?"

Because like the rest of the world, Shia, I'm trying to forget you.

R51 is an imposter. I loved Debralee like a sister and supported all her deserved success.

That little Tammy Lauren cunt is another story entirely.

Donna, did you have Tammy kicked off the show in Season 2?

No, Sharon, that credit has to go to SP Bob Boyett, who was tired of dealing with Tammy's horrific stage mom and ridiculous demands. Perhaps I shouldn't have called Tammy the c-word; she was annoying, but taking the lead from her mother.

So that's how that little cunt got billing over me!

R57 You mean Out of this World?

Trivia: Tammy Lauren and Sharon Spelman costarred years later in The Stepford Children, though I don't think they had any scenes together.

The Season 2 opening:

Oops! The aerosol whipped cream is out of control!

Oops! The turkey fell off the plate and into her lap!

Oops! The birds shit on my dress!

Oops! The ice cream fell onto my shirt!

Was this a TV show about klutzy, accident-prone people? And was there ever a special guest appearance by Vera from Alice and her exploding box of drinking straws?

[65] LOL, they really are quite ridiculous montages.

r63 Yes! Because it featured Mr. Burt Reynolds!

Don’t forget about me, guys, I’m the star of the show!

Bump

Was Debralee Scott much of an actress on the show?

I've seen a few Mary Hartmans and she seems fine but she is terrible in those cheesy Earthquake scenes they shot to expand the movie into a TV mini-series.

No, she was very whiny on Angie. Doris Roberts and Sharon Spelman stole the show right out from under Pescow.

I used to think that dumb Dodie girl from My Three Sons was Debra Lee Scott as a child.

I can see that for sure. But Debralee Scott was Streep compared to that lummox.

Is Donna Pescow still alive?

Yes

Debralee Scott is dead though. She had a tragic end. Her fiancee died in the tours on 9/11 and she then drank herself to death in the following years.

towers^^

Donna is a goddess

I agree.

Anyone know why Robert Hayes the male STAR OF THE SHOW was not on the cover?

Wow!

Hays really dodged a bullet here.

I'm surprised they even released this. There aren't enough episodes for syndication, so it's rarely been seen since it was cancelled. So many other shows that had longer runs still don't have complete DVD releases yet.

When did they do that, r70?

They used to run reruns of it in the mornings on my local ABC affiliate (Chicago) throughout the '80s, which is how I was familiar with it (it always seemed to be on in the morning during Summer vacation)

The original Brangelina!

[quote] I'm surprised they even released this. There aren't enough episodes for syndication, so it's rarely been seen since it was cancelled. So many other shows that had longer runs still don't have complete DVD releases yet.

It all depends on the show, the stars and the following. There are shows that only ran one season that are on DVD (and blu-ray). Angie has always had a small, but devoted, cult and several of its cast members also have the same sort of following. I know it's been one of the top requested shows for a DVD release for quite a while. And honestly, the distributor, VEI, didn't go out of their way to put it out. These are unremastered, syndicated episodes (so they're not fully intact from their original network run) with zero extras.

I've been having a lot of fun watching it, but it is irritating to see where they cut (it's glaringly obvious). The show is mediocre, but the cast elevates the material and it's been a fun trip down nostalgia lane for me. I haven't decided if I'll keep it or re-sell it.

[quote] They used to run reruns of it in the mornings on my local ABC affiliate (Chicago) throughout the '80s, which is how I was familiar with it (it always seemed to be on in the morning during Summer vacation)

They re-ran it in the mornings during the summer of 1985 on ABC and that was it. I have no idea why. The show had been gone for five years by then and no one in it had recently hit it big with anything. Robert Hays was already over at that point.

It was like Bosom Buddies, a short lived treasure.

"All 2 Seasons"! Really? That many?

Two of a kind

[quote]There are shows that only ran one season that are on DVD (and blu-ray). Angie has always had a small, but devoted, cult and several of its cast members also have the same sort of following

Bosom Buddies was my first thought, too (did it have two seasons or only one?). Great cast including a young Holland Taylor as an early example of a ball-busting woman boss, and the late , great Wendy Sperber as Amy. Both of them were at least as good as Tom Hanks was in the run of the show, honestly. And Hanks and Peter Scolari were both very good.

There's also something like "Gidget," which only ran for one season, but has been in syndication and shown regularly for many years. I think it works for two reasons: Sally Field, of course, but also because they often pair it with "The Flying Nun" and together there are over 100 episodes.

Amy was so in love with Henry.

When he had a personality change in one episode he really hurt her feelings by acting like he was lowering himself to be interested in her.

Good acting.

"It was like Bosom Buddies..."

Right down to the juggling in the credits!

[quote] Bosom Buddies was my first thought, too (did it have two seasons or only one?). Great cast including a young Holland Taylor as an early example of a ball-busting woman boss, and the late , great Wendy Sperber as Amy. Both of them were at least as good as Tom Hanks was in the run of the show, honestly. And Hanks and Peter Scolari were both very good.

BB had two seasons, but I believe the 2nd one was truncated due to cancellation. Angie was a mid-season replacement in the Spring of 79 and finished in the Top Five shows for that season. It came back in the Fall of 79 and went a full season, even though its ratings plummeted due to ABC completely fucking their schedule.

Speaking of ABC in the '80s, the DECADES binge for this weekend is .... "Laverne and Shirley!"

Angie was Way better

I love the theme song.

There's a few episodes on YouTube, including the pilot. While it's a little dated (like a joke about tattoos...boy, have things changed), a lot of the humor is based in the rich vs poor contrast, so it still holds up pretty well. There's definitely some "sitcom-y" aspects to it, but most of the performances are good, and the characters likable.

Aside from this and "Airplane!", the only other thing I recall Robert Hays in was a TV movie titled "The Girl, the Gold Watch, and Everything", also starring Pam Dawber (!). I don't know if it was just in my area, but I remember the production airing across a few nights, maybe four. I vaguely recall it airing for a half hour every night, before prime time, like 7:00 or 7:30 Eastern. I think it was around the same time as "Angie", maybe 1980, so I was just starting to get a weird feeling and lump in my throats when Hays had a shirtless scene.

funny how Airplane didn't get Hayes much work afterwards.

Let the time flow Let the love grow Let the rain shower Let the rose flower Love it seeks and love it finds Love it conquers, love it binds We come to each other from different worlds Drawn to each other by the love inside of us We give to each other our different worlds Long as we can do it Life is gonna breeze right through it We reach for each other from different worlds With love for each other that will stand the test of time We're up to the challenge of different worlds With this love inside us There is nothing can divide us Love it seeks and love it finds (Love it seeks and love it finds) Love it conquers, love it binds Love it seeks and love it finds Love it conquers, love it binds

I will eventually get this, and had to click the link to see if this was real and not a goof.

R97. Me too

Hays had a (first-run syndication?) sitcom called "Cutters" about hairstylists working together in a salon. Not one gay character. Shitty show, anyway.

Turns out that Cutters only lasted 5 episodes. Shitty show.

He was also in the tv version of the Jeff Bridges film 'Starman'.

I bought the 45 of Different Worlds when it was released.

So did I, R106!

Me too, r106, and it made the radio charts, I think. We had a vintage jukebox in the basement, and I used to pull out my parents' favorite songs and replace them with new records I liked. This continued right through Duran Duran and Go-Gos days. Looking back, sorry, Elvis and Simon &Garfunkel.

And of course, all those singles and their original sleeves are lost to time.

It did, R108, It was actually a Top 20 hit.

I always wanted a jukebox when i was a little kid. Whenever we'd go into diners that had them at the tables, I would flip through them with rapt attention. The last ones I remember seeing like that were in NJ when I visited some relatives in maybe 1991 and I was surprised to see the new John Mellencamp single on there, as it wasn't really a hit.

And when I was in college around the same time, we used to go to bars in the east village that had the best CD jukeboxes. There was a great gay dive bar on 2nd ave and 12th street called Dick's (of course) that had the best CD jukebox in the whole city.

I have every episode on VHS and still have the VCRs to play them but I have no interest in seeing them again. I have many things I liked and recorded way back when on tape and really have no desire to see them. I have no need for blank tapes so I let them be. Maybe someday I'll want to see them.

The three Marys were a funny conceit.

the theme song is a Gimbel-Fox song with a brilliant arrangement. The singer has to have a good range to reach some of the notes Maureen McGovern dies, I didn't like her other hit "The MOrning After" - too Helen Reddy-ish.

Different Worlds peaked at No. 18 on the U.S. pop chart.

I also bought Cyndi Grecco's Making Our Dreams Come True (which peaked at No. 25)!

R112 the song is amazing, so pretty

What was the last TV theme to become a top 40 hit? "Cheers" or "Friends" maybe? A couple others I remember from way back are "Makin' It," a Sat Night Fever influenced failure with a catchy song, and "Greatest American Hero" (timeless from a Seinfeld reference)

R115, they don't do TV themes anymore. Just a few seconds of a song and that's it.

R110, you're a hoarder

r115 "How Do You Talk To an Angel" from "The Heights." 1992. #1 Billboard Hot 100.

[quote] What was the last TV theme to become a top 40 hit? "Cheers" or "Friends" maybe? A couple others I remember from way back are "Makin' It," a Sat Night Fever influenced failure with a catchy song, and "Greatest American Hero" (timeless from a Seinfeld reference)

Greatest American Hero came two years after Angie and hit #2. The Theme to Hill Street Blues was a Top 40 hit, And The Heights theme which someone just mentioned. The Theme from Miami Vice hit #1 in 85. The Theme to Moonlighting hit the Top 20 in 87, and of course, the Theme From Friends was a big hit in the 90s, as was the theme from Cops (Bad Boys) but I don't know if that was written specifically for the show or just got big by association. I want to say I'll Be There For You was the last real tv theme chart hit.

Debralee Scott had a small part in Donna Summer's only network t.v. special. She played a hooker in the "Bad Girls" number.

I feel like the theme song from Sopranos was also popular (though, maybe didn't rock the charts), it's probably the last really memorable one.

So amazing

This thread is why I love DL and everyone who posts here.

I thought I was the only one in the world who remembered Angie and its theme song

R85 so VEI couldn't bother to use complete episodes to make this package? There's zero chance there will ever be another company to give a second chance to do it correctly with full, episodes as seen during the original broadcast .

I'm getting this for my mom for Mother's Day. No, it's not the whole gift.

R125, so your mom would prefer uncut.

I seem to recall season one being great. In season two, they change the sets, and the jobs, and it just isnt as good.

I was working at King World, and we were doing the launch of the syndicated version of Everybody Loves Raymond. I went to the set of ELR for a photo shoot. At the lunch break I was sitting across from Doris Roberts.

I said "so sad about Debralee Scott" and Doros replied, very matter of factly "she was a drunk, dear"

It was funny. Her delivery of the line was almost sitcomish. The subtext was sort of "don't concern yourself too much. She brought it on herself, dear."

[quote]I think in Season Two, TPTB realized just how funny and talented Spelman was and what a good foil she could be for the Falco family and decided to increase her role.

Mostly right, her role was increased in the first season. Sharon was the breakout character and clearly had great comedic ability.

[quote]the Theme From Friends was a big hit in the 90s,

It wasn't released as a single and it brought about a significant change in that Billboard decided to let unreleased singles chart.

It along with More Than A Woman (Bee Gees), Pinball Wizard (Elton John), Into the Groove (Madonna), Lovefool (the Cardigans) and Stairway to Heaven are considered "Phantom #1 songs." Those which surely would've went to the top had they been released as singles.

[quote]"How Do You Talk To an Angel" from "The Heights." 1992. #1 Billboard Hot 100

Oddly enough it was at #1 AFTER the series got cancelled.

[quote]Those which surely would've went to the top

Oh, dear.

r115

Happy Days reached the top ten and Laverne And Shirley made it to to 25.

Andrew Gold's song "Thank You For Being A Friend" also peaked at 25 in 1978.

[quote]Angie was a mid-season replacement in the Spring of 79 and finished in the Top Five shows for that season. It came back in the Fall of 79 and went a full season, even though its ratings plummeted due to ABC completely fucking their schedule.

Mostly true, but Angie was a great example (along with Mork and Mindy) of how NOT to mess with a show.

The whole point of Angie is "Different World" and how Brad and Angie had to adjust to the OTHER's point of view.

In the second season, they moved Angie out of the mansion, sold off her coffee shop, brought Brad to work in an office out of his house and had totally moved Brad into Angie's world. The WHOLE POINT of the show "learning to live with each other's differences" was lost in season two.

R126, no worries. My mom coined our family phrase "hung like a tic tac" so I think she can handle cut or uncut.

Funny thing about Tammy Lauren, she was aggressively pushed as a child performer and didn’t really go anywhere, but as an adult, she was the breakout performer on the terrific “Homefront”. She and Kyle Chandler were a delight as Jeff and Ginger.