Gulliver Oldman Speaks! Defends Father Gary from Ex-Wife’s “Lies”

To whom it may concern,

My name is Gulliver Oldman, and I am the son of Gary Oldman, the actor.

It has been troubling and painful to see that these false allegations against my father being written about again, especially after this was all settled years ago. There is good reason that these specific articles and accusations subsided years ago.

In my eyes it is disgusting that so called “journalists” have seen fit to spread and perpetuate the lie.

I have grown up in the world we are accustomed to now, where people are guilty until proven innocent. It’s a shame to see that “clickbait journalism” or judgement by headline, is designed to make one jump to conclusions without receiving the full range of fact that may be detailed in a piece, whether it be online or otherwise.

In the case of my father, there is only innocence. There never has been any guilt.

The reality is confused in excerpts, and published half truths from years ago.

Saddly, heartbreakingly, all of this is revisited in a very recent interview of my mother by a reporter at the Daily Mail — despite all of this having been thrown away and discredited as false years ago.

For me to write this letter is direct proof of this. Custody of children is not given to a wife beater, and under most circumstances, hardly ever a man. My having lived, full time with my father should be in itself, proof enough.

My Father is my one and true guiding light. My only hero. He is the man I aspire one day to become. If I could only become even half as great and half as pure. I was granted the good graces of his fatherhood as a child to be raised by him and only him. For that I am eternally grateful every hour of every day. I owe him the world and I owe him my life.

If it appears that publicly speaking ill of my mother something I am either fond of, or accustomed to, that is not the case. She has been a sad and very troubled person most of her life. Yes, she brought me into this world. She didn’t however, teach me how to be a part of it.

This lie, all of her lies, things she has been perpetuating and living in as “her truth” — all of this has brought about so much pain and hardship for my father and for all of us, his family united.

My brother and I both have played the role of pawn on numerous occasions throughout our lives in a big game our mother has been desperately trying to play against our father. On all such occasions, the only retort my father has had is the truth. Always, and thankfully so, the truth is on his side.

Being a full supporter of this movement, I can see how coming out with a statement to combat an allegation must look. However, I was there at the time of the “incident,” so I’d like to make this radiantly clear: it didn’t happen. Anyone who says it did is lying.

To go deeper — of my own admission and my own decision, I chose to stop speaking with my mother seven years ago at the age of thirteen. I was old enough to see that holding on to a relationship with her would damage my future, so stepping away for some time would be the only thing I saw fit.

I want only to protect my father’s character, as a person and as an actor. I know he is a wonderfully kind man, gifted beyond belief, a man who wouldn’t trade anything for the love and happiness of his family. This torment should have ended 16 years ago. In such a momentous year for his career, my father should finally be able to enjoy himself. I hope that we can please make that a possibility.

The only way to achieve that is to stop repeating, stop sharing, and stop believing the lies.

Thank you,

Gulliver Oldman

Goddamn he’s cute! Reminds me of young Harrison Ford

The cunt apple doesn't fall far from the cunt tree.

Wait, what did Gullible say?

Nothing about Gary Oldman defending Mel Gibson's antisemitic rant?

SJWs on ONTD are already dismissing him as a liar, citing sons will always defend fathers. The notion of an abusive, insane mother is incomprehensible to them.

He looks impossibly twee.

What perfect teeth he has. He reminds me of Out Timmy.

Perfect teeth? They’re yellow. He looks like an Oompa Loompa.

Must...stay...in...Will......Must...stay...in...Will......Must...stay...in...Will......Must...stay...in...Will...........

I believe him; I haven’t heard any gossip about Oldman’s children getting in trouble or turning out badly either. That really has to speak well of Oldman on some level...

Also: Gulliver’s mom is director David Fincher’s ex-wife as well (and so Fincher’s daughter with her is Gulliver’s half-sister) and Fincher had a very contentious divorce with this woman too, accused her of habitual drug use, *also* got full custody of his daughter with her, and I believe the daughter (of legal age now) has no relationship with the mother either.

I think this woman (ex-wife of Oldman and Fincher) really is a sad, emotionally messed up former model/L.A. cautionary tale....

His teeth are fine. What is the toothbleach fan?

Is it that hard to believe some men are innocent and some women are crazy?

I don't know about Oldman, neither I care much, but journalists and people are getting hysterical with their witch hunts.

Oldman has been a mess during a long time, it doesn't mean he abused his wife.

Needs to present hole to convince me further.

[quote]also* got full custody of his daughter with her, and I believe the daughter (of legal age now) has no relationship with the mother either.

Wow, she and Gulliver have so much in common. They should date.

The mother is Linda Fiorentino’s sister.

R15 Wouldn't it be incest?

How so?

Oldman has made some shitty comments in the past, but I don't believe the assault accusations. Unfortunately I don't think it would've mattered if Gulliver were a girl - people would still call liar. There are many good things about the times we live in, but this knee jerk belief that all accusations must be true is not one of them.

He was 4 years old when the incident happened, hardly the best source. Not to mention Oldman has said in the best that it did happen but it was an accident.

You can think that a 4 years old is too young to understand, but if the judge didn't give custody to the mother it means something.

Oldman has been a racist, sexist, anti-Semitic boor for years. The thing is, he's the same kind of ignorant misanthrope many DLers are, and we have the MRA "all women are insane abusers" contingent firmly embedded here, so any thread on Oldman is going to be very much in his favor.

I mean, this guy literally said that it was no big deal if a science teacher was teaching kids that Christianity was the only right way to believe and evolution was a lie, and if you didn't like what the teacher did that meant you just "couldn't take a joke." Ignorant and illogical but you hear comments on DL like that every day.

R22 That's the problem with you SJW.

People have bad opinions so of course you gonna believe he abused his wife, raped his children and killed puppies.

That's different issues. You can be an asshole and not beat your wife.

Since when do you have to be completely sane and the best mother in the world to be beaten?

That's not the problem.

There's a difference between listening to women, and believing any woman cause women can't lie.

Innocent until proved guilty, that's the rule. That's the reason why there's court rooms. That's how democracy works, not public trial on twitter asking for an actor head cause he is otherwise problematic.

There's a reason he's on his 5th marriage.

Agree with you R25, or at least there needs to be some supporting evidence, other reported victims, witnesses, police and medical reports, etc.

Some women (and I believe it's a small minority) try and wrongly paint their ex/co parent as abusive in order to influence child custody decisions. Having said all that, it's quite possible that they were both aggressive and angry and things went too far on both sides, assuming they were both substance abusers. R20 I knew a kid whose earliest memory was of his dad attempting to strangle his mother. Don't think very young children can't remember abusive behaviour.

He marries a lot so it means he's abusive. Ok.... That must be that.

Ask any family lawyer, he gonna tell you that tons of people accuse their spouse of abuse during divorce and most of the time it's total bullshit cause they think divorce is the occasion to destroy the other one.

Add drugs + fame + money = recipe for disaster.

The woman lost TWO sets of kids to TWO ex husbands, the other being David Fincher. If the fathers were thought to be unfit, the kids would have been taken from both parents and placed with other relatives or foster care.

R28 I think it indicates that at least some of the blame is on his side whether that takes the form of abuse is another matter. Stable well adjusted people usually either manage to maintain a succesful marriage at the first two or three attempts, or accept that marriage isn't for them. I don't know, I'm on the fence with this one. Though I'm surprised that he hasn't done the 12 step thing and accepted responsibility for his past and endeavoured to be a better person for the rest of his life. Perhaps he just did it in private, which is guaranteed to piss the entire social world off.

Meant social media world, ie tumblr, twitter, facebook, etc.

[R15], Gulliver Oldman and David Fincher’s daughter (Phelix) *share* the same mother (former model Donya Fiorentino) so, yes, them dating each other *would* be incest!

P.S. The court documents in Oldman’s divorce from Fiorentino are juicy and sad—Fincher even included a statement to the court and a 911 call was recounted where Fincher’s little daughter was on a visit to mommy at Oldman’s house and found the mother unconscious from a drug OD and either ran to get Oldman (who was in another part of the house or something) or callled 911 herself and said, “I found my mommy dead”.

Paramedics were called.

It’s all in the divorce papers. Donya was fucked up. I feel sorry for all of them (even Donya) and all her children and ex-husbands, etc. but I don’t blame Oldman.

R31 Here again ,he's not the only one and that doesn't mean anything besides that he struggles to stay with the same person more than few years.

I knew his ex-wife when she was just another strawberry partying in Miami in the 1980s. I met her for the first time at a house party in the Grove, and her "date" was Don Johnson at the peak of his Miami Vice days. I don't want to say much else except she was a "model" in the same sense as Melania was a "model." Her cocaine habit was legendary.

All of the above does not mean that Gary Oldman never hit her. But it might mean that there were a lot of fights over her habits and behaviors which were not all fueled by his anger or cruelty.

I mean, he selected her, so he knew what he was getting into, but she was very hot, and he wasn't; so I guess he didn't really think it out carefully. From the number of marriages he's had, I doubt he's real smart about choosing potential wives. I think Donya likely agreed to marry him out of fear that she would do no better at that point, and she wasn't getting any younger. I'm pretty sure that she would have rather married someone much richer or at least rich and better looking.

It really sucks that men are getting labeled as monsters just on the word of a woman, and we really are only getting the woman's side of the story.

R22 I agree he's an asshole person, but I still think these particular accusations were shaky. You can be an asshole and also NOT guilty of being a wife-beater.

It's a shame none of Tim Roth's liberalism ever rubbed off on him.

We must believe all women.

Did you know Donya when she hooked up with Fincher, [R35]?

(If so, was he into the coke scene too? I know he was a huge MTV music video director at the time they got together...)

Based on OP’s pic, he looks like the guy who played Greg Brady in the movie version.

Donya and Gary...

Donya and David Fincher (hugging in the far upper right hand corner)

[quote]He was 4 years old when the incident happened, hardly the best source. Not to mention Oldman has said in the best that it did happen but it was an accident.

Yeah, that’s the part that makes me pause. He admitted to hitting her, full stop, but claimed it was an accident. Their kid claims it was all a lie- well kiddo, was it a lie or was it, as Dad said, an accident? He was barely 4 st the time, if that. Gary was still using at this time too.

When it came to the custody hearing, he passed his drug tests, she didn’t. He requested custody; when fathers request custody they have a much better shot of gaining the kids. He had the money and fame, she was a broke addict. Not hard to see why he won; doesn’t mean he didn’t hit her.

Remember this is the guy that abandoned Lesley Manville and their three month old son for a 19 year old Uma. Lesley is kinder now, but back in the day she had little positive to say about her ex, and noted he was pretty much an absentee Dad for much of their son’s life. He’s a camera operator or something movie crew related now, thanks to his father getting him jobs on the sets of his movies.

Uma has always said that being married to him gave her PTSD. You hear nothing from the fourth wife, who he allegedly cheated on with Abbie Cornish.

Donya and Harry Dean Stanton

If anyone wants a look into Harry Potter fandom crazies, this is a pretty good snapshot

R44 These people are crazy.

R42 Um, fathers getting full custody is actually pretty rare. Especially with accusations of spousal abuse. I take your point about Uma though - I remember the rumours about that.

It seems like he marries every woman he dates. Like it’s a normal amount of LTRvpartners to have but he takes it a step farther by marrying them.

[quote]Um, fathers getting full custody is actually pretty rare. Especially with accusations of spousal abuse. I take your point about Uma though - I remember the rumours about that.

It’s not. In a study of the LA court system, fathers who requested sole custody (as in this case) were given custody 63% of the time. In a US appellate court study, fathers had a 51% chance. Again, it makes some sense he was awarded custody as she was a broke addict and he was a somewhat sober movie star.

The idea that fathers rarely get custody is another MRA propagated myth. Furthermore, you really think a wealthy and famous actor with connections won't be able to get custody if he wants?

R47 interesting regarding custody statistics, I stand corrected.

His kids always look happy with him so I'm not surprised his son is defending him. Parents aren't perfect, you can still do shitty things to others and be a good father/mother. Gary was granted sole custody when they were very young. Has the mother even attempted to get shared custody through the years? A good mother would get sober and continue to fight for her kids.

But, R47, presumably the number of fathers who request and then get sole custody is small, as a percentage of all custody decisions. You can also argue that fathers generally go for sole custody when they perceive a serious issue and thus will be more likely to get such custody.

I don’t have the link, but the info from a Pew Research Center study from a few years back.

What percentage of those cases involved an obviously unfit mother?

Well there were also rumours that he used to beat Uma Thurman too and that this was the real reason for their divorce.

I don’t think anyone is arguing that Donya should’ve received custody, merely that him being awarded custody does not disprove the allegation.

Donya was and most likely still is a mess. But Gary also acknowledged hitting her if “accidentally”. Two addicts in a nasty divorce.

[quote] It’s all in the divorce papers. Donya was fucked up. I feel sorry for all of them (even Donya) and all her children and ex-husbands, etc. but I don’t blame Oldman.

So, Oldman saw what happened in her first marriage and decided to marry this woman? At the very least, he's guilty of not using his brain. Actors are so fucking dumb in their personal lives, especially the talented ones.

r55 The fact that the judge cleared Oldman of the charge disproves the allegation....at least legally.

Correct me if I’m wrong but the charges were dropped, not dismissed by a judge. Or did the judge actually clear him?

When you drop charges doesn't it mean that the charges were bullshit to begin with? Otherwise why drop them?

It can also mean the prosecutor doesn’t think they can successfully pursue the case, that the evidence isn’t strong enough.

Give it time, OP. Ryan Seacrest marked the start of Hollywood trying to use all its might to defend abusers from any con$equence$.

They were initially caught off guard by the Weinstein tidal wave and weren't able to protect the likes of Spacey, Louis CK, Matt Lauer, Charlie Rose and the others.

For Seacrest, Hollywood's strong defense didn't work for his red carpet show. Maybe it will work for his show with Ripa and/or American Idol. We shall see.

SAYING YOU'VE BEEN ABUSED IS THE SAME AS BEING ABUSED.

If he did something to make her need to accuse him, then he's guilty. Don't undermine her truth with your misogyny.

I suppose next you'll say she can't be on Ru Paul's Drag Race.

Saying you performed an independent investigation and actually doing an independent investigation isn't the same thing.

Saying someone demanded 15 million dollars and someone actually having demanded 15 million dollars isn't the same thing.

I think the kid is probably telling the truth, but this part of the letter is deeply weird:

[quote] My Father is my one and true guiding light. My only hero. He is the man I aspire one day to become. If I could only become even half as great and half as pure. I was granted the good graces of his fatherhood as a child to be raised by him and only him. For that I am eternally grateful every hour of every day. I owe him the world and I owe him my life.

Meh, I chalk it up to youthful hyperbole.

I chalk it up to a publicist with a zeal for creative writing.

Wonder if any of his other exes will come to his defense.

Depend$, R67.

I nominate "my truth" for the world's worst phrase.

You can say my opinion, my recollection, my side of the story ...

However, there is only "the truth." It's neither personal nor subjective.

[quote] For me to write this letter is direct proof of this. Custody of children is not given to a wife beater,

The son is partly right. Gary Oldman has been a good father to him. But he cleaned up his act and stopped drinking and drugging when he had kids. He did beat his first two wives and was a really disgusting person before he got sober. This boy's mother got exposed to drinking and drugging from Gary. She has had severe problems trying to get clean. She isn't lying about him though. He was a real piece of shit

And custody of children is given to abusive parents (male and female) every single day. Especially when that parent (like Gary) has money to pay for very expensive lawyers

[quote]Oldman remains a real piece of shit.

Fixed.

I agree with R71.

If Oldman had really become a decent person he would have explained his full background to his son (mentioned by R70), not have alienated his son from his mother and try to make amends with his son's mother as well as get her help.

[quote] This boy's mother got exposed to drinking and drugging from Gary.

THEY MET IN REHAB. Could you at least try to pretend to have an informed opinion?

The shit people like R70 would invent.

[quote]Custody of children is not given to a wife beater

This kid sounds so naive. Here’s a guy who had sole custody of his five kids, even after numerous dss calls and the wife filing charges of assault.

He ended up strangling his four small children.

*sorry, his five small children

[quote] Uma has always said that being married to him gave her PTSD.

Where did she say this?

I keep hearing rumours that he beat her (mainly on DL), but she has never said anything publicly as far as I'm aware.

This reminds me of Mel Gibson and his babymamma. No doubt the men are crappy, but the women are evil, and take advantage of the bias. I’ve seen it play out in real life. Two addicts; one goads the other, other takes the bait, physical altercation, DRAMA.

The only people I feel sorry for are the pawn children.

"The notion of an abusive, insane mother is incomprehensible to them."

The notion of evil straight men is incomprehensible to the datalounge, even though they are responsible for most of the violence in the world. Funny how DL will always defend straight men, even right-wing ones like Oldman who can't stand them.

"This reminds me of Mel Gibson and his babymamma. No doubt the men are crappy, but the women are evil, and take advantage of the bias. I’ve seen it play out in real life."

So racist, homophobic Mel is merely "crappy" while the woman he abused is "evil"? LOL. This just proves how some gay men always suck up to straight men, even homophobic right-wing ones.

R79 attempts to equate one person with another to prove something about the first person.

It doesn't work that way.

I don't like Oldman. I don't find his acting convincing, and what I've heard him say comes across as defensive-yet-pompous. Actors who think they are Speakers for the World need a little humility. And, while I have no evidence to support my feelings, my feeling (note, not "truth") being that he's a jerk who would be in relationships with jerks, and the tornadoes swirl from that.

The kid isn't doing anything wrong. He's making a rather persuasive case. But that is a lot of calls to explain with a crazy mama, isn't it? Well, maybe she's that nuts. AND Oldman is a piece of work too.

The kid sounded naïve not persuasive. Abusers never get custody? Fantasy.

Old thread:

[quote]I mean, he selected her, so he knew what he was getting into, but she was very hot, and he wasn't; so I guess he didn't really think it out carefully.

[quote]So, Oldman saw what happened in her first marriage and decided to marry this woman? At the very least, he's guilty of not using his brain. Actors are so fucking dumb in their personal lives, especially the talented ones.

Well, the two met in rehab. One of the first things people are told in a 12 step program, at least, is not to get involved in a romantic relationship until at least a year of sobriety which sounds reasonable. Who needs that kind of an entanglement at a vulnerable time? I don't know how much he knew about her first marriage. I can see her giving him the "poor me" story about her troubled marriage to Fincher, casting herself as the victim as she did in the DM interview. And he fell for it. Incidentally, he went into rehab because Isabella Rossellini (no one's mentioned her yet) gave him an ultimatum to sober up or she was out of their relationship. He found someone to play a savior to.

Incidentally, Oldman was slated to star in Zodiac which Fincher directed, but that fell through. I don't know what happened there, but that would certainly would have been interesting. On top of their shared wife and history, don't they both have a reputation for being intense during filming.

[quote]I mean, he selected her, so he knew what he was getting into, but she was very hot, and he wasn't

You can say that again.

[quote]Remember this is the guy that abandoned Lesley Manville and their three month old son for a 19 year old Uma. Lesley is kinder now, but back in the day she had little positive to say about her ex, and noted he was pretty much an absentee Dad for much of their son’s life.

I guess he was a great father to some of his sons, not all:

"Manville never discussed the split but later said he was not the perfect parent he would have people believe.

He plays a small part, with the accent on the small, however much you might have read in the Press about how wonderful a father he is,” she said."

His son looks too much like him. Old man is the male Elizabeth taylor for having the most marriage. I guess if the fifth wife doesn't work out there is wife number six waiting. I can't still believe he left his ex for this very homely looking woman.

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I believe him. The ex-wife didn't just lose custody of her sons to Oldman, she lost custody of a daughter she had with David Fincher to him - and he's creepy as hell. Shows she's a real nutjob.

Some dataloungers claimed that the son is slightly autistic after seeing this picture in an older thread. R87

"In his letter, Gulliver called Fiorentino 'a sad and very troubled person most of her life'."

In other words, "Dad is giving me my allowance, not mom."

I don't necessarily believe the allegations, this woman sounds like a complete mess. Not that I would put it past Oldman either. Still, he just won an Oscar, so it's not like he's getting the full shun treatment.

oldman is a dirty old man, they all know it

R83 what role in Zodiac was Oldman slated to play? RDJ's (journalist) or Ruffalo's (cop)? Clearly Oldman couldn't play the young Gyllenhaal cartoonist role.

Oldman seems to have mellowed a lot in the 10-20 years. He's decently kind to the rabid Harry Potter fans who approach him. Dan Radcliffe consider(ed?) Oldman an actual friend during the HP era.

I'm also shocked he left his previous stunning wife at r87 (unglam pic) for this dumpy frau. I thought Oldman would always want them with a tight bod.

He was to play attorney Melvin Belli, instead it went to Brian Cox.

He left his hot 4th wife for the woman @ [R93]?!

I hadn’t heard this; thought he was still with the pretty wife.

Where did he meet wife #5 and what does she do for a career?

Wife #4 split because she wants kids and GO doesn’t. That’s what I heard anyway

Wife #5 works for an art gallery in LA. They were married at Oldman’s bff/manager Doug Urbanski’s place.

Urbanski is an ultra conservative antisemitic nut job who fills in for his pals Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly as a guest host on their shows. No doubt it was his team that got that Faux News story on Oldman’s ‘rah rah America’ acceptance speech— the one pointing him out as the ‘one decent man’ in a room full of godless sodomites.

He does seem close to his sons.

Did Oldman's son with Lesley Manville show up with her?

[quote]oldman is a dirty old man

I don't think so. He's been in relationships with women who are older ( Manville and Rossellini) and the current wife looks his age. I think she's attractive, just not plasticized.

Wife number 5 it is hard to keep count is very much homely looking. Did you see the frumpy plain dress she wore with him to the Oscars. I guess in a few years he will get bored of frumpy wife 5 and go back to dating, I mean marry hot wife number 6. He just seem like the type. At least he married one of his fraus this time.

Wife number 4 did not split from him because she wanted kids. The persistent rumor was that he was insecure due to the fact that she was younger than him and hot. He kept referring to their age difference when they split which is all bull. He is just not the marrying type.

[quote] Wife number 5 it is hard to keep count is very much homely looking.

Judging from his IG, number 5 adores him, completely. He'll keep her around. Maybe he'll cheat on her discretely.

Hot wife #4 didn't seem lie the kid wanting kind. Too aloof, hot and figure conscious looking.

R99 yes, oldest son Alfie walked the Oscar red carpet with mom Leslie M.

The IG belongs to wife #5 as i linked in R93. GO famously said he doesn't do social media. It's sweet, and the frauiest frau posts. Wife #5 has an ~8yo son from a previous rs that GO is now parenting as well.

The rumors were he had a thing with Abbie Cornish while married to number 4. They split right after he and Cornish filmed that RoboCop remake.

You're right, R104. It the wifey's IG. But it's so Gary-centric, she must be his BIGGEST FAN.

Lesley Manville and son on the red carpet on Sun.

GO actually used to be handsome: Prick up your ears. Air Force One (my favorite of his looks).

More recently in his first film as Commissioner Gordon in Nolan's Batman. And Dawn of the planet of the apes (heavily made-up, coiffed and CGIed to look ruggedly good)

Oldman with his sons at the Oscars

Gary admitted he did it! And didn’t he beat Uma?

Team Lesley Manville.

Does Abby Cornish have a thing for married men?

I don't believe the rumour that he beat Uma, and the reason I don't believe it is I think it would have come up in that #MeToo interview she did with Maureen Dowd.

That interview was basically an exhaustive catalogue of Thurman's mistreatment at the hands of industry men, starting when she was 16. I think if Oldman had beaten her, the piece would have at least alluded to it. She seemed to have really opened up to M Dowd, and you just know Dowd would never have passed up the chance to slip something as juicy as that into the article.

Obviously for legal reasons the piece wouldn't have named Oldman, but there would have been something about it in there. e.g., 'she was in a violent relationship with an older actor'. Instead, there's no mention of Uma experiencing domestic violence.

Good point, [R113].

I can’t see that happening in the middle of an Oscar campaign.

Did they have any kids? If so, she might not have gone there. Also, if she's trying to get back into Hollywood, she knows not to say anything, as r115 alluded to.

[quote]R1 [italic]"In the case of my father, there is only innocence. There never has been any guilt."[/italic]

So sad to see a family in denial.

His dad's no saint.

PS: And he didn't deserve no Oscar, neither.

r118 career award, like Newman.

Gulliver Oldman (awful name, btw) is cute. Definitely can see a resemblance to daddy back in the Leon: The Professional days. No idea what his inclinations are, but he has artsy photos of naked, body painted women on his IG, FWIW.

The part of his letter posted by R64 really does give me a weird vibe though. Yes, I realize children raised in the Hollywood/showbiz environment don't exactly tend towards temperance or healthy boundaries. But that type of effusive over-the-top gushing always makes it sound like the person is trying to convince themselves as much as they're trying to convince others.

Might this possibly be a case of parental alienation syndrome (when a child is psychologically manipulated, usually by a narcissistic parent, to irrationally loathe the other parent, while revering the alienating parent)?

[quote]Alienated children exhibit a lack of ambivalence about the alienating parent, demonstrating an [bold]automatic, reflexive, idealized support[/bold]. That parent is [bold]perceived as perfect[/bold], while the other is perceived as [bold]wholly flawed[/bold]. If an alienated child is asked to identify just one negative aspect of the alienating parent, he or she will probably draw a complete blank. This presentation is in contrast to the fact that most children have mixed feelings about even the best of parents and can usually talk about each parent as having both good and bad qualities.

For an obvious case of PAS, see Angelina Jolie (brainwashed as a child to irrationally loathe her father and worship her crazy mother, and is now most likely doing the same to her own kids).

Oh my GOD is he cute.

I see just enough of his dad in his face, but sonny-boy is cuter.

Interesting, R120. I found his OTT gushing to be cringe inducing too. Something is amiss. Same with Angelina and her loser brother. The way they've put their narcissistic nut job mother on a pedestal is creepy.

Flashback

The kid's mother looks like trouble with bee stung lips and a rough crowd.

Agree, [R124], but I don’t think that Fincher or Oldman have reps as particularly “nice guys” (not talking about the abuse allegations there—as I think Oldman the Mrs. were *both* fucked up at the time and so I don’t really have sympathy for either on that issue and wish they would both move on and be happy...) so it’s not surprising they both ended up with the same “bad girl” type...

Btw: had the DL ever come to a consensus on whether Fincher is bi?

Obviously he likes women, but 3 of his all time favorite movies are “The Bird Cage”, “All That Jazz”, and “The Crying Game” and there were a few rumors on DL that he hung with the Spacey and Singer crowd in a bad way....

Anyone know for sure?

R116, if you are referring to Uma, no she didn't have any kids with Oldman, and she has no reason to protect him. I mean, she wasn't scared to throw Tarantino to the wolves in that interview with Dowd, why would she be afraid of retaliation from Oldman? Truth is, Uma is likely done in Hollywood anyway as she has mostly lost her looks and her acting talent has always been limited (although TV is a possibility I guess). I very much got the impression from her NYT interview that she was in full scorched earth mode and wouldn't have spared Oldman if he had indeed been abusive to her.

He's hot so I believe him. Plus I'm pretty sure that frau cow bitch had it coming if it's true.

Someone women are abused by asshole men, and some women are sick bitches who abuse men.

My mother was the latter. Every day of my youth I prayed they would get divorced and my dad would get custody to get me out of there.

Yeah R128 my mother was a total bitch and made my father's life and us kids' lives a misery. Thank God she died young, if not we would have been even more screwed up. Our father was a saint.