Just watched CMBYN

toldya

What am I supposed to do now with this information, OP?

Eager to hear your thoughts on the Maltese Falcon, OP? Have you gotten to that one yet? Mary Astor is a revelation, but I thought Bogart phoned it in.

F&F OP for starting another thread.

Very and I will never understand why they cast such an old man to play an young man and why they cast a boy who barely looks like a teen to play as another young man. Did Bryan Singer co-direct or executive produce this movie...or maybe it was Victor Salva?

I know you were trying to be funny r3, but that picture was actually career-making for Bogart, and launched him into A list leading roles for the rest of his life

Is this a new movie?

R3 is with it. Never misses a trick. Au courant.

OP, I also just saw it recently, Had the same reaction.

[quote]a revelation really

pussy.

Armie was too old to play a graduate student and Timothee's lover.

Canadian here. I also finally saw it within the last couple of weeks and really enjoyed it. So great to see a mainstream gay themed movie. The movie belonged to Timothee - he did very well at such a young age, and the last scene where he was staring into the fireplace showing all the emotions on his face was really an Oscar nominated moment.

Armie was a bit old for the part but I was surprised to find out that his character was closeted all along - he played that part well by being somewhat reserved and a little icy. Good acting by all.

Secret lovers. I love the smile on Armie's face.

I think that’s the scene where he says, “ I would kiss you if I could.”

lame

R13 Tim has a horrible profile. Looks like a rat

Greater movie of all time!

Greater than what?

I was surprised they were still living in that house in the winter. I thought it was just their summer house.

Elio said, in the beginning, that they only spent summers and holidays in the house

It was Hanukkah when Elio got Oliver’s phone call

Oh, right - thank you for the clarification, R20.

Yaaaawwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnn

SOOOOOO OVERRATED.

Agree with everything you said OP but did we ally need another thread?

We need every ally we can get.

It's a beautiful piece of art. Luca needs more credit, not just Timothée and Ivory.

Molly Haskell throws shade on Armie in this review:

"Hammer... was perfectly cast as the Winklevoss twins in The Social Network: he might as well be a digital double as a real person, as he was when he was rowing with himself at the Henley Royal Regatta. He’s somebody who represents rather than inhabits—an archetype, like his blandly smug philanderer-husband in Nocturnal Animals.

Parker Tyler, that astute chronicler of homosexual themes, gave a mythical dimension to this figure whom he called Homoeros, and saw as transformational in movies like Death in Venice, Billy Budd, The Confessions of Felix Krull, and Teorema. Hammer has none of the ambisexual allure of Terence Stamp or Tilda Swinton. He is a more one-dimensional stud, perhaps closer to the Liv Tyler character in Bertolucci’s Stealing Beauty, an object of directorial lust you have to take on faith."

Arnie Hammer's LED-shining, white teeth were very distracting too.

He was totally wooden. Cast purely on his good looks.

There was no build up to Timmy's mad love for him and yes, Armie seemed too old to be so unself-aware in the situation he found himself in.

That was my problem with it too- I did not believe that it was a great love. I know when you are younger first love is important but I didn’t feel anything between the two. Not sure if it was Armies fault. With broke back mountain I felt their love.

It was a good movie, now let’s wait for a sequel.

Armie was just terrible he has no talent.

Armie is a terrible actor. But sadly, the huge response to CMBYN is going to catapult him into more roles. I hope he gets some coaching, because he needs it desperately.

What huge response to CMBYN? Most people I know never even heard of it.

[quote]Armie was too old to play a graduate student and Timothee's lover.

Well, in terms of their actual age, one could argue they were both too old.

Hammer was 30 playing a 24-year old, and Chalamet was 24 playing a 17-year old.

^^ Meant to say Chalamet was 22 above ^^

R34 You are obviously not on Twitter. The movie is very well known and has a huge chick following.

Except Timmy looked 17, R34.

&

Armie looked about 34.

Agreed R38 Tim looks very young. Armie looks like a very attractive mid 30's man. On the other hand, people go back to finish post graduate degrees in all stages of life. To those who didn't read the book first, Armie's age was probably not an issue, but his lousy acting should be.

[quote]What huge response to CMBYN?

Unfortunately I missed the HUGE DL response because I didn't see it until quite recently. I feel like I really missed out. It was bit nutty, I think. Which I like, sort of.

There are a few people (straddlers) who are still into talking about it - but the CMBYN super-trolls have been red tagged, it seems.

Chalamet was 20 and looked 15.

I hated the movie. Pedo vibes aside, Guadagnino’s direction was sleep inducing and occasionally ludicrous (thinking about the Elio’s confession done in conversation voice while the two were on opposite sides of a plaza) and James Ivory’s screenplay robbed the book of its fever-dream neurotic charm. Armie Hammer gave a typical Armie Hammer performance, was shocked people thought it was award worthy. Also thought it was idiotic that Stuhlbarg played the father as a flaming queen but he still has this knockout wife.

It was like four people who made hundreds of posts a day. That’s nothing. They tried to make it seem like the next “Brokeback” but there’s no comparison.

[quote]Armie looks like a very attractive mid 30's man

In spite of his terrible haircut and AWFUL outfits.

I would have burned those green shorts.

and the yellow ones.

O great. Another CMBYN thread.

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R44 looks like a dad about to give his son a lecture on life.

“Your mother told me what happened at school yesterday.”

As someone who was a teen in the early 80s and went to Italy and France most summers - a kid Timmy's age would have been wearing speedos - or maybe cut off jeans & Armie would also have been wearing speedos too.

I guess they thought audiences of 2017 couldn't handle it.

Really loved the film. Beautifully acted by all.

The Elio of the novel was obsessive and neurotic. He was not the most likable character because he rarely showed much vulnerability. I thought that Timmy’s portrayal of Elio was more endearing and relateable for audiences. Armie’s performance was understated but appropriate for the reserved and shy character of Oliver.

We are at post 50 with no red tag fangurls # in sight?

Remarkable

Hammer was born to play young Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Other than that, he's useless as an actor

Znoozefest but the kid is a really good actor

R49 except armie the big wooden stinker

speedos are disgusting. it's a beautiful movie in every way.

[quote]speedos are disgusting.

Frau ALERT.

i will never understood american terror and disgust toward speedos. You really are all mentally ill.

^yes, i meant "understand". sue me.

[quote]i will never understood american terror and disgust toward speedos

Gay men do NOT feel this way. God knows how R55 got in here.

What was with the weird music used in the film. Surely they could have used a few popular songs of that summer.

R40, I think you meant "stragglers," not "straddlers." Maybe it was auto-correct.

they used italian 80s songs by superstars Loredana Bertè and Franco Battiato (both gay icons, BTW). That was very accurate.

They should do a gay remake of this film with Shawn Mendes as Elio and Adam Rippon as Oliver.

[quote]They should do a gay remake

You mean a porno remake, right?

actually, since both Elio and Oliver are bisexual (a fact fangurls conveniently seem to forget every time), a gay remake of this dreck would be a propos.

[quote]They tried to make it seem like the next “Brokeback” but there’s no comparison.

It was SO much better, you're right: no comparison.

[quote]actually, since both Elio and Oliver are bisexual (a fact fangurls conveniently seem to forget every time)

Are you suggesting Elio will end up with a [bold]GURL?[/bold]

He was for more interested in Hammer than that slut he fucked.

Elio's GAY.

^wouldn't surprise me at all. A nice jewish girl. And some dick on the side. It was the 80s/90s after all.

The girl was just a cover.

[quote]The girl was just a cover.

Right!

Bi guys don't weep into their soup every night for months on end over some hot guy they met one summer. Let's get real.

Elio's gay and a major drama queen - not some mostly straight guy with the occasional taste for cock.

I pity his wife if he finds one.

Jeez R70. Way to stereotype. I know plenty of straight guys who weep when their gfs or wives leave them. you need to seriously stop with all the labeling and stereotyping.

It's undoubtedly the best gay film since the all time amazing Brokeback Mountain. It is simply ART at its finest. Anyway, Armie wants you to touch him in the pic below:

[quote]It's undoubtedly the best gay film since the all time amazing Brokeback Mountain.

Which it trounces, undoubtedly.

[quote]Jeez [R70]. Way to stereotype. I know plenty of straight guys who weep when their gfs or wives leave them. you need to seriously stop with all the labeling and stereotyping.

You're not getting my point.

[quote]Tim has a horrible profile.

On the contrary. His profile is stunning. That's what you call a Roman nose. Perfection.

When Tim sprung up into downward facing dog on the bed I kinda clutched and uttered softly “Oh Dear!”

He's not my type at all, but he is to a lot of guys I'm sure.

[quote]On the contrary. His profile is stunning. That's what you call a Roman nose.

You can call it what you like - but Roman it is not.

Roman Nose

Chalamet has a fairly typical Gallic nose which contributes to his mouselike appearance

See also: Damien Chazelle

Both guys are not that sexy. While Timmy has an exotic look Armie is as white bread as its gets. Truth is a movie like this is going to make any actor an object of everyone's fantasies. I do think the movie tried to make Armie look better than he actually does in real and downplay Timothee's looks. Maybe that was the point.

R79 He has a unique and classy look. That makes him unbearably sexy.

He’s neither unique or classy.

[quote][R79] He has a unique and classy look. That makes him unbearably sexy.

I agree. He looks like no one else. That's partly his style.

The Bryan Singer brigade has arrived.

[quotes]i will never understood american terror and disgust toward speedos. You really are all mentally ill.

I'm okay with it as long as it serves to safeguard us from the sight of all those doughy, pasty 75-year-old grandpas with huge bellies wearing them that you see on European beaches. No need to import that.

I agree. I was bored. I thought it was gonna be this intense love story. Timothee was fine. Armie sucked and did not look good at all. No chemistry whatsoever. A lot of stuff seemed pointless and pretentious. Stupid ending. My boyfriend read the book years ago and told me the original ending. Still stupid but better. The Oliver character was a tease. I was over it after the first hour. Would have shut it off if my boyfriend wasn't here.

[quote]I'm okay with it as long as it serves to safeguard us from the sight of all those doughy, pasty 75-year-old grandpas with huge bellies wearing them that you see on European beaches

Like this?

Back in the late 70s they got really mini.

Timmy's got soulful eyes too.

That's Franklin Delano Roosevelt jr., R52.

IT had weird editing on the dvd I bought. The scene towards the end with the mother driving Elio home repeated three times.

That sounds like a scratched/defective dvd, r92, not weird editing...

I know James Ivory, so the pedo vibe really creeped me out. Saw this film and 3 billboards both on a cross country plane ride and hated the first, overrated, and totally loved the latter.

R94 Jeez, grandma, let the pedo bit go already. I didn't particularly think this film deserves the accolades it's getting. But, it's a fucking film! It's not a recruiting film for pedos. The stupidity of some people.

Just watched it for the first time on Blu-Ray. I was disappointed. Slow and no chemistry between the leads. Timothee was great, though.

It was bland and dull. It finally picked up in the last half hour. Chalamet is a complete blank until the very end. Nothing like the book character. Was not believable as a semi genius musician in the slightest. Seemed like a stoned skateboarder from SoCal. Zero chemistry between the two until Chalamet mounted Hammer in bed, but Guadagnino laughably becomes terrified and literally points the camera out the window at the trees for two minutes to save his delicate American audiences. Hammer at least was passably attractive despite the his weird loose hippy lady body. Chalamet was just skinnyfat unattractive. I felt bad for the girlfriends.

I love Ivory and feel he deserved at least two Oscars before this, especially for Howard’s End, which blows this out of the water. The script was passable, only brilliant at the very end in Stuhlbarg’s beautiful monologue, which as I recall was taken pretty much directly from the book. Still, I’m glad Ivory was finally recognized, it took long enough. His Maurice was a thousand times more achingly beautiful and passionate.

I found the direction rote, and the cinematography bland and not at all beautiful. The Tilda Swindon was much more dreamlike and prettier. The whole thing was very earthbound to me. Also, very tired of straight men playing gay roles. Enough already. Hire gay actors.

Also, didn’t seem pedo at all to me. Chalamet looked like a twinky 25 year old college student, Hammer looked about 39 or so.

Not pedo to me either. They didn't say his age until like an hour in which was dumb. I assumed he was a 25 year old twink as well. Why didn't Oliver just come back like in the book. A phone call? DUMB. It was a really lame movie. Watched it last night. No passion or anything. I really wish both leads were played by different people. Especially Oliver. What a waste. Why haven't they made Giovanni's Room into a movie?

R85, are you an American? If so, calling europeans fat is rich.

it's one of my all-time favorite movies.

[quote]I assumed he was a 25 year old twink as well.

Then you're an idiot.

I went in with low expectations from being badly burnt by the hyped-up nothingness that was Moonlight...and initially my cynicism was confirmed....but it redeemed itself by the end. So much so I’m genuinely invested in the continuation of these character in any sequels . Also will probably will read the book. Is it any good?

R103 = also an idiot.

R104 is triggered by being exposed to differing opinions

Call Me By Your Name is my all time favorite movie.

And, yes, I acknowledge it’s fkaws, particularly Armie’s voice.

please tell me you're 9 yo, R106. "All time favorite movie"? Really? Bitch please.

Yea. R104 is a weirdo

R103 Probably thinks the Brigitte Jones' Diary films are classics.

R97 = 82 years old

R110 55 year old Timotheeeee fangurl.

R111 eats his own faeces and sips his own vomit

Slow clap for you, R(etard)111.

R112 makes 4chan look like the Oxford Union.

R112 Where has wit gone?

watching now on amazon. that train scene has just killed me. ow heartache.

why was it dedicated to bill paxton?

Chalamet is adorable -- from the neck up. That scrawny body though...

Maybe I'm still just mad at him for his Woody Allen bullshit. Shitting on a film you star in that is still awaiting release is amateur and bad form. I wish the producers had sued the shit out of him and taught him a lesson.

I have tried to watch this movie 6 times in the last week and I fall asleep every single time. Boring af. Tim looks like my 11 year old cousin Cameron and Arm resembles my grandpa Greg. Where were the Dua Lipa songs on the soundtrack? The equivalent to the masterful ferris wheel scene in Love, Simon? Further, anyone who fell for the father's sappy monologue, you realize that guy is a Russian bot, right? I blocked him the second he started yapping.

Anyone who calls an actor a “revelation” is a 🤡

Armie's faces of concern the morning after they first fuck are beautiful. In bed just before they go swimming.

The way they shot Armie from below at the creek before the berm, looking upwards as he wet his face and stroked his hair, is worshipful.

R117 because he visited the set shortly before he died and he was friends with some of the crew.

T117 Bill Paxton was the best friend of Peter Spears, the producer of CMBYN.

Bill visited the set of CMBYN, and became friends with Luca.

After Bill died, Luca dedicates the movie to Bill, mostly for Peter Spears.

It's so painful to watch. heartache.

"Armie's faces of concern the morning after they first fuck are beautiful."

He was afeared that the baby batter he seeded and breeded Tymothae with might result in buttbabies.

R127, i think he was worried that he went overboard tearing it up the night before. kidding.

CMBYN is one of those movies that's only watchable in the theater. It's a slow moving film so when you're in the theater with no distractions it's easy to get caught up in, but when I tired watching it at home over the weekend, I couldn't get through it in one sitting.

Only part i liked was when timothee was dancing doing the shoulder roll. That shit was funny.

[quote] but when I tired watching it at home over the weekend, I couldn't get through it in one sitting.

I tend to do that with movies at home, generally - like reading a book, I put it down and pick it up again later. I don't know why - definitely did it with this. So what?

I'm sorry I didn't watch it when all the real DL craziness was going on. I would have liked to have been there.

I wish I could find a movie theatre with no distractions.

I feel for you, R132. I really do.

Yikes... finally watched it and, short of that great song, found it listless and timid. Yet another movie about a "great romance" that is really just a summer fling on the way to Normaltown aka marriage with a woman. Same problem as "Brokeback", a love that can never buy except... why can't it be?

Sorry, I find it weird how poignant so many gay men find these sad love affair gay movies, Especially this one where the two leads barely even seemed to really LIKE each other for much of the movie.

(On a personal note, I can't decide which was more stomach churning, the peach fucking and Armie threatening to eat it or the post-vomit deep kiss. jesus...)

Pussy ^^^

Eating a fucked peach is the greatest expression of love that two men can possibly imagine

It was all very come here little boy....he he he.

Yuck!

R134 "post-vomit deep kiss" which one is the post-vomit deep kiss??

R136 you are funny....but wrong, it was more like, Elio: 'you big man, come here....I want you deep inside me'

When they go on their trip at the end, r137.

OK. Thanks

R134 right on

very sad the movie didn't include the book passage in which Elio wishes to take a dump with Oliver. Heartbreaking scene, people!

Ever rubbed a peach on your body? It itches like hell after. All I could think was about Elio's genitals being scratched all night. And the pubic hair tangled in peach juice. Then the notion of someone wanting to eat cum-stained rotted fruit that's been sitting on a bedside table. Yuck. (And the passionate kiss comes literally one scene after Timothee has just puked. On the road so no toothbrush or time lapse. Gross).

Armie, much as I loved him in "Social Network", really blew it here. But I didn't see that much lust from Timothee either, to be fair. It just felt like two actors who had just met in the lobby (and had strict contracts as to what they would or would not do, designed by their agents ahead of time).

Someone upthread bitched about straights playing gays. I don't know about that but I would like to see stories about gay characters actually being gay and not just knocking dicks between bouts with women. It felt almost offensive here, Elio so proud of his pussy conquest at the same time he is supposed to be having this "great love" with Oliver.

It's not Pauline (she would've hated it too) but it's still pretty spot on. I remember thinking even the Italian countryside doesn't look so impressive here (it looks more like the small country town where my folks live in rural Georgia), no resonance at all. And that's hard to pull off in Italy.

I was just watching Transparent S3 and there's a flashback episode in which Michael Stuhlbarg plays a bigoted granpa who terrorizes and curses his trans nephew. Such a strange contrast to his famous scene in CMBYN. Also, i find him strangely attractive.

the article at R144 is spot on, BTW. That's exactly what my problem with this movie is. Guadagnino and his movies are the cinematic equivalent of a tourist trap restaurant.

The shot of the two making love and, just as Armie is about to pull down his underwear and exposing his backside, panning to a window or something and lingering is enough to make me flush this film -- and Hammer's performance if his contract dictated that sad shot. As Pauline Kael once said about another film (maybe a Burton one?), "Beetlejuice would spit in this movie's eye."

@R147 "making love"? *smirk*

"exposing his backside"? You have a wild imagination. He made as if, for a fraction of a second, he 'might' show his ass but in the end it came to nothing — just make-believe.

Oh, the underwear goes down for sure -- but the camera has pulled away, almost as if someone grabbed it and gave it a quick turn. Which only makes the whole thing look like 1970s censored-for-TV stuff.

What's with Elio putting Oliver's swim trunks on his head? What's he sniffing in the trunks?

Lol at all the prissy bros that seem to have invaded this thread.

[quote]post-vomit deep kiss

He washes his mouth out in the fountain prior to their kiss. It’s very clear. You must’ve been playing on your phone.

Yeah, the author of the book really seems obsessed with grossness and bodily functions. The day old rotten peach with day old cum, the vomit kiss, and the scene (in the book, but thankfully not in the movie) where they take a dump together. Ew. Those scenes really took the bloom off the magical summer romance for me.

It's as if the author has some immature notion that if you are willing to kiss someone's puke mouth, eat their day old peach cum and admire their shit in the toilet, you have true love everlasting. To me it just proves you're sick perv.

The emphasis on bodily fluids and expulsions was clearly a metaphor for AIDS.

R152 agreed. That's pervert shit like R151 is. Prissy because i won't kiss vomit mouth. Yea ok. I'm prissy all day then. Perverts get so angry when someone disagrees with their kink. Haha. Weirdos.

...or a Marxist would interpret it as the bourgeois intelligentsia in love with their own waste products (can't take credit for that, read it here).

Yeah right, washing one's mouth out with dirty water from a fountain will wipe away all traces of particularly brown vomit -- and then one is ready for romance! I wouldn't let anyone kiss me after until I had a nice long interlude with a toothbrush and even then I'd understand if they'd rather wait.

I bet R151 has really nice breath and teeth. Haha. NOT.

Also, I can't imagine being ready to get down after vomiting? Grossness aside, after you drunk-puke you still feel like shit and need to sleep it off.

The book is not really about romance, it's about an obsessive power game between two neurotic people.

When I saw Phantom Thread, I thought that the right director for CMBYN would have been Paul Thomas Anderson, because PTA hit the nail on the head with the obsessive power game in that movie.

^^Eh, that's not the claim the director and actors made when they were on their promo tour. It was all about "everyone can relate to the intensity and passion of first love, blah, blah, blah."

exactly, r159. It's a domination story between two highly narcissistic persons. Only idiot SJW and their hags could read that as the romance of the century.

I'd rather eat Timmy's sperm than cut my tongue on Moonlight's grill.

^^^RACIST ALERT

^^^ MORON ALERT

^^^TRIGGERED ALERT

^^^ ALSO TRIGGERED ALERT

r163 NEVER KISSED SOMEONE WITH BRACES ALERT

R163 was for reply 162 which is now gone. I agree with R161. For the record.

R160 it's called marketing. They had to sell it somehow, to as many people as possible.

I agree with some of the posters on this thread, it is not really a conventional 'love story' it's more like a story of lust.

Yeah, they can sell it as some great love story all they want but, in the end, I found the whole thing pretty ugly. Including that part of Italy somehow.

(And I would've LOVED a story about lust and longing but we didn't really get THAT either).

James Ivory, Maurice and CMBYN

I am trying to imagine James Ivory reading the source material for his script, getting to the poop section and thinking, "Oh dear... perhaps we should skip this."

The whole project is sounding more and more creepy the more I read about it. I was determined to overlook the scrawny teen boy with the much older looking male but that was clearly just a tip on the iceberg. No wonder this movie made about a dollar seventy five at the box office. I sure as shit wouldn't push it on any of my friends, straight or gay alike.

R173, did you see it?

Yeah, I'm R234 and other posts on this thread. Just saw it and was disappointed.

[quote]I agree with some of the posters on this thread, it is not really a conventional 'love story' it's more like a story of lust.

Uh huh, that's why Elio bawls his eyes out like a little girl at the end when he hears from Oliver. Because he was so in.....lust.

This movie doesn't know what it wants to be. I didn't see much lust, love or chemistry between them. It was mostly about their angst.

R176 Elio is only a 17 year old boy. He doesn't know the difference yet, many years later he would come to realise

R172 deja vu on Jim's part? I wonder if he didn't on purpose, like saying: This is the Maurice I wanted.

No active Oscar threads so can I just leave this here? I feel the same way. Pfooey on "Mudbound" and the spaces it took away from others.

FINALLY saw CMBYN on Starz.

My partner loved it; turns out I had the same opinions many in this thread did: actors had no chemistry; Armie Hammer was too old and it gave the relationship an air of pedophilia; the father’s “being a homo is great” speech just came out of nowhere; it’s about first lust, not love; either Hammer can’t act or the script was off at times—people just don’t say things that way; the scene where they are in the town together and Elio wants to say something but Oliver says it can’t be said, which is supposed to set up the whole affair, also comes out of nowhere—where is there any incling that each one though the other may be gay?

It had such great potential— it all sort of felt like a rough draft.