Why aren't white guys attracted to brown guys like me?

I'm white and prefer brown and yellow guys over white. But I'm a woman, sorry.

According to OkCupid’s same sex race preferences, Middle Eastern gay men received the highest response rates of any race, including white men.

Maybe you just aren’t attractive? I’m near your age, black, and I don’t have trouble attracting good looking white guys at all.

Turkish guys tend to be very hot.

And I don't think of them as being very "brown" so this guy may be incorrect in his assumptions.

But people need to stop trying to guilt others into having sex with them.

In full disclosure that sample size was tiny r2. There weren't a lot of gay middle easterners on okcupid. A small N can lead to weird results.

There are white guys that fetishize black guys and white guys that fetishize asian guys.

There are white guys who fetishize middle eastern guys, but because there aren't that many in the US (or at least that visible), there aren't that many white guys in this final category.

OP, are you sexy like Riz Ahmed, he's my dream man! I don't have a type and sure don't fetishize brown men, he's just got the look I adore. There are white men who have this look too, such as the black Irish. He resembles an Hispanic ex.

I love his face, his lips and his expressive eyes, I don't care how thin he is or his dick size, I think he's a gorgeous stunning man. He's the kind of brown guy I can get behind, tee-hee. 😋

OP, I'm brown as well and you aren't alone. It isn't you, it IS them. Just look at scruff at the "most woofed" section. The vast majority of people on there are bland white boys. They could pass for any dude you see walking down the street. I think it's a good indicator of the taste of the majority of gay men.

It is not a surprise that overall white guys are seen as the most desired. Getting depressed about it isn't going to do you any good.

OP - Ricky Martin, George Michael, Pamela Anderson, Britney Spears, Rihanna, Cristiano Ronaldo and tennis star Jan-Michael Gambill all chose Middle Eastern men. They are in high demand because of their unique combination of masculinity and sensuality.

Maybe it's not your ethnicity but your personality that turns people off? Maybe it's your need for white approval that makes you seem desperate and therefore unattractive? Lack of self-confidence is not sexy in a man. A man should be sure of himself.

Hope that helps.

OP, please be considerate enough to provide verificatia of alleged sizemeat.

I'm Hispanic and white gays love me, you must be ugly op.

OP are you really hairy ?

You're short.

I am white and I love middle easterners. Especially if they are dark and hairy. I fnd them the hottest guys on the planet. I love Britons too. But I live on Europe. I don't know about white americans.

Hmm this makes me think I should stay out of the sun..

[quote]OP - Ricky Martin, George Michael, Pamela Anderson, Britney Spears, Rihanna, Cristiano Ronaldo and tennis star Jan-Michael Gambill all chose Middle Eastern men. They are in high demand because of their unique combination of masculinity and sensuality.

Pamela Anderson was with a Mid-Eastern man? Who? Tommy Lee is Greek.

If Tommy is the man you mean, since when is Greece considered a Mid-Eastern country? Greece by definition, is actually part of Europe.

r16, Pamela is dating the soccer star Adil Rami. He has a humongous cock that makes Tommy Lee's look like a pencil. Do try to keep up.

jUsT cUz YOU'RE brown doesn't mean you're automatically fine.

Of course all the desired brown men brought up in this thread are mega-hot. The average white guy can get almost anyone. The average brown guy can't--you have to be smoking to get attention from white guys.

OP why would you want someone that doesn't want to be with you to start dating you? That's like saying: I'm a gay man, why does none of the straight guys want me? People are attracted to who they are attracted to and that's that. Stop trying to make people be with you, be with people that want to be with you back. And why don't you go out with other browns guys like you if they're soo great like you or are you not attracted to people like yourself? So basically you're bitching about white guys doing the same thing as yourself? The intitlement of some people still amazes me on this board.

^^entitlement

Brown man

Pic?

Turkish brown man

Hey everyone, I found a pic of r22! Isn't he just repulsive, I mean, gawjus?

No that's me

You're wrong side of the world.

People are afraid of you.

They think you're a terrorist.

OP, do you do Turkish oil wrestling? If you do Turkish oil wrestling, I guarantee every gay man will drop to their knees.

Dark skinned hairy turks are totally hot, but I hate big dicks.

OP - if you have ETHNIC PREFERENCES yourself, you don't get to whine on about other people having the same. The end.

Young gay guys have a ton of internalized racism--including yourself, as you admit! Be patient and you'll meet a good guy your age. Or just date a little older. I'm 43 and you sound like my dream guy.

You need yo post a pic OP

Some Turks are beautiful.

Some aren't.

My favorite city is Istanbul. Been twice. Sorry you are having difficulties. You shouldn't be. The bias in the US Is probably against Black or Asian, mostly. That's where people's tastes tend to get finicky! White here.

Cut or uncut OP?

[quote][R16], Pamela is dating the soccer star Adil Rami. He has a humongous cock that makes Tommy Lee's look like a pencil. Do try to keep up.

I'm not a Pam Anderson groupie, so how the fuck would I know about all the men she was involved with. I don't have to keep up with anything I'm not interested in. Let me guess, you watch 'reality TV'?

Op contrary to popular belief, white men are not the end all be all! People put way to much value on them. You seem to be dealing with some insecurities with in. Maybe you need to reevaluate things. Also look elsewhere for relationships/love. What you're looking for May be with in the whole other look.

Here's Adil Rami, he sure doesn't appear to have "a humongous cock that makes Tommy Lee's look like a pencil", well not in this photo. Looks pretty average to me.

Thanks r39, you saved me a google search. And you are right, that poster was way inflating the size of his dick. As gay men are wont to do.

No. It IS big. He is tall

Why are u going after white guys?they ain't all that Latinos are better in bed.

I'll recommend North Africans to you, OP. Tunisians and Algerians. Yum.

R33 sure is real purdy !

OP, sometimes a guy is just not that into you.

Op is probably butt ugly but it's great that he still has confidence. Hot asians,hot middle east , hot latinos and hot blacks have no problem getting white dick or white ass. Lol

[quote]No. It IS big. He is tall

If you are going to insist, then link a damn photo of his BIG cock! Or STFU!

If you want to see Adil Rami's huge cock you have to go to the hammam (traditional Islamic bath). Trust me, he loves to show it off. But it's strictly "you can look but you can't touch" teasing.

.....he's not answering if he's cut or uncut.....

Maybe you're coming across as desperate, OP.

Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke. Nothing is sexier than self-confidence and that's something you don't ask for, you take.

OP, you need to ask this question to tops. Bottoms have a vested interest in not telling you how to get laid.

LOL @ R51. As though withholding info from one anonymous brown dude means everyone else, from 12 different countries, will get laid more often.

Whitest white man here. DNA testing puts all my genetic history in northern Europe, save for that <1% African that every one has. I've had a lifelong attraction to swarthy brown men. They are the most beautiful men in the world. If I knew where you were, OP, I would come stand under your bedroom window and declaim romantic poetry until you... threw a bucket of water on me?

Just be sure to note that there are an awful lot of stupid white people. You don't want them anyway. Be your beautiful self and know that you are driving some of us wild.

OP, let's get to the basics: are you reasonably attractive? If not, there is the problem.

Solved.

OP, in your estimation, whom --that we might know--do you resemble?

Omar Sharif

Feed your self-loathing with alcohol. It’ll help. Trust me.

R20 states it best..and OP you say you are pretty handsome??? guess what dude life lesson here....."beauty/attractiveness is and always will be in the eye of the beholder" get over yourself we ALL get rejected for various reasons, stop whining!

I live in NJ by New Brunswick. I’ve dated Turkish guys, Lebanese guys and Jewish guys. Never thought of any as brown. Love middle eastern food. Effie’s in New Brunswick is awesome.

Every Turkish guy I’ve seen is cut. So are the Lebanese and Jewish guys. And almost every Hungarian guy I’ve seen. At least in Central NJ.

OP, I'm a white guy, and you sound like someone I'd be attracted to. I like men of all sorts. But you mentioned that many of the men who've been attracted to you are older. I'm older. One thing with age is that you stop accepting the prejudices with which you were raised. You seem to have realized that you too have some prejudices, since you seem to be attracted to white guys. Prejucide is something we all carry: bigotry is not the same thing: it's when a person accepts their prejucides as facts, without facing them and thinking through them. I'm a white guy, but the love of my life is a black man. When I was much younger, such a thing wasn't conceivable to me. But he's so smart and funny, that he became the most attractive man in the world to me.

Be the best version of yourself that you can be, and don't try to be anything else. That way, anyone you falls for you will mean it. They're out there, but the fact that you're a little bit different from the guys you think you want will mean you won't be bothered with the more superficial types.

Jeeeeeebus what has thou happened to you dl? This is a clear a fuck day troll post. Btw Op 1/10.

[R59] Here's a nice Jew near New Brunswick. Wanna meet?

[quote]According to OkCupid’s same sex race preferences, Middle Eastern gay men received the highest response rates of any race, including white men.

R2, I find that fascinating. Please send a link. Can't find it. TIA!

Here you go, R63. Scroll down for the same sex reply rates.

OP, how do you look?

If you are an average-looking slightly overweight Middle Eastern guy you just won’t attract attention from the young, good looking, frat type white dudes.

To be fair, the only minorities getting attention from those guys are very attractive themselves.

R59, is correct, Turkish guys are not considered "brown". So , OP, you must not be as good looking as you think , or else you are trying to hook up with the wrong type of guys.

I think Turkish guys are hot, but I am also not your age anymore (I did when I was younger too, though). Hang in there OP.

Be glad you're not a black woman, OP.

Op here- I'm cut and am hairy only on my chest, not stomach or back.

I'm not ugly at all (although I went through much of life thinking people ignored me because I was ugly).

It's not just me who notice that white guys ignore them but so many of my brown and asian friends have experienced the same thing.

I tend to turn older white guys on so I hit all the cute ones.

I think men with your heritage are very handsome. If you look like r24... call me

It couldn't be because you come across as needy and lacking in confidence.

Nor could it be that you come across as desperate for a white guy.

I wonder what it could possibly be. Like the giant stone heads on Easter Island and the number of licks it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop, the world may never know.

R71 If I just say "hi" to someone on a hook up act, how is that acting desperate for a white guy.

White guys my age either ignore me so send back a "Sorry, not my type" way too often

Ditto R70

^ I'm OP

OP, why are so many of your brown friends trying to get with white guys? I thought brown/Indian guys were actually proud of their heritage, unlike those pathetic, groveling Asians.

R2 here, and as a minority, I can say you really do need to be a beautiful minority (an 8 or 9) to attract a 6 or 7 white guy near your age. That’s just how it works in the gay dating world.

R75 It's not that my brown friends are only trying to get with white guys; it's that there are so many more white guys available. Of course you're going to try to chat with some you find attractive.

While they may get affirmative responses from blacks, browns, and Asians. White guys generally ignore them

R66, my skin is tanned, so yes, I'm brown

R60 that's a beautiful post with wonderful advice.

[quote] But people need to stop trying to guilt others into having sex with them.

Seriously. The whole "I'm trans/brown/black/green/whatever and hot white guys don't want to fuck me" thing is beyond ridiculous. What are you gonna do? Guilt someone into fucking you? Demand racial quotas? The fuck? People like what they like, I am sure you'll find a white man to date or fuck you. stop whining, bitch.

troll troll troll troll troll

OP, I'm a white guy, and a majority of white guys don't find me attractive.

R59 is a freakin whore. Every country has been inside. Your new nickname is United Nations.

There are things humans will never know, and can never know. How the universe came to be, what is the meaning of life, and why don't other people want to fuck us, those are the biggies.

We'll never know the answers to the first two, but the answer to the last is usually "I'm not as attractive as I think I am".

You could be ugly as a monster, and I'd still let you fuck me if you're Turkish.

So, OP, it's okay if you don't want to fuck other brown guys.

But it's NOT okay if white guys don't want to fuck brown guys.

I'm a white guy and I would be very attracted to you OP.

Stick to your own kind and you won’t have to worry about it. White gay men are some of the staunchest white supremacists on earth. Many of them would love to be Republicans if the party platform wasn’t so anti-gay, and even then you’ve got the Log Cabinites and GOProuders who are dying to be accepted into the circle of white power euphemistically known as conservativism.

You better get that Marlboro Man lust out of your mind and move on with your life.

Besides, who in his right mind want to be with a straight-acting Anglo frat-house dudebro?

Boring!

Ummm, R88 most gay men’s ideal is what you describe. Hence the popularity of websites like Sean Cody and Chaosmen.

I'm straight-acting (I guess -most people are surprised when they find out) and Irish through and through. Trust me, we're boring.

R88, you may be boring but there is a lot of status associated with conventionally attractive white men.

Op don't worry. White men and women tend to go to shit in the looks department after 30/35 and they'll take whatever they can get then. Just hold tight. At least they'll still be descent adjacent as far as their looks are concerned.

Why aren't YOU into other brown guys, OP? Hmm?

R91, just curious and I don't really have an agenda - but are you "brown" or "white"?

I do carry a certain amount of disappointment at the gay community for this type of race discrimination and race-favoring. It's a rainbow, remember? There isn't one damn color I haven't had sex with.

This thread is so worthless without a pic of the OP. That would answer so many questions.

I’m black, R91. I don’t have too much trouble hooking up with good looking white dudes, but it seems like that’s not common among other men of color.

YoI can’t blame the gay community when straight racial preferences mirror gay preferences. White privilege is real.

Before I came out, I imagined gays (and lesbians) to be different and indeed better than straight people. More enlightened.

And in fact, I was able to hold onto that dream for many years until the mid '80s or so. I'm not sure what happened - whether the Reagan era made people change, or I just left some kind of bubble.

But in the musical beds of the late '70s, nobody gave a shit as long as the partner was decent. And non-dorky.

White men have big dicks and generally hot. No wonder they like each other.

Birds of a feather, OP. You gotta problem with your own kind?

R87 You are racist, thats why nobody like you.

[quote]27 and of Turkish heritage

Porn and social media have warped and significantly narrowed what's considered attractive among gays. Turn it off and your own attractions may broaden (can't change anyone else's).

Ah, ethnic tribalism...what couldn' t we have done as a species if only we had more regard to the diversity of the human family. BTW, perhaps its me...but have you ever noticed how beautiful dark skin black male models tend to be Haute Couture ...not JC Penny or Sears (maybe its the market) ...their skin is dark, flawless, smooth and beautiful! Even the often despised lighter black models seem more like everyday types not Haute Couture.... being Black I think both are magnificent to look at....just me...

Has OP stated whether he is a top or bottom? That makes a huge difference.

Turkish men can be so sexy. And I've been to Turkey. I also love Israeli's

Israeli’s what, R105?

I love Turkish men, from the west cities or the eastern wilds.

Be yourself, OP.

White men are the most coveted by other races. I've seen it with Asian and upper class black women particularly. I went to school with 4 young Asian women in the program and none dated Asian men, only white. An Indian friend will not date anyone but white either.

I'm not sure this applies to the OP, but many non whites will sort of shame whites for not dating them, but they will never date within their own race. So that hypocritical to me. Same with trans... they want to date straight guys and won't even consider dating a fellow trans.

I love brown guys! Arabs, South Asians, North Africans, American Indians, etc. Gimme gimme gimme!

I agree R105, Israeli men are gorgeous, though I consider them white. They run the gamut from deep olive to light and are so masculine.

OP your victim mentality is likely your problem. No one has the head for someone with constant victim nonsense. Grow up and enjoy life, if you stop your shit you may find someone who absolutely adores you, who knows what color they may be? But no one is on the hunt for a victim to bicker with.

You sound insufferable and self loathing.

r105, how can you put Turkish and Israeli men in the same category? Israelis all have this weird inbred look from centuries of living in festering ghettos. I'm sorry but it's true. In Europe, gay porn has always focused on Turk and Arab tops. There has never been any desire for Jewish men. It's not antisemitism, just aesthetic preference. The Israeli accent is also really annoying and nasally, that's a huge turn off.

Turkish is "brown" but Italians are not? this whole "brown" thing is such bs

Italians are not brown

A lot of italians are way darker than some of the turkish poeple posted above.

Most arabs are no more brown than most jews. this whole "blac and brown" thing is SJW bullshit

I’m white and preferred brown when I was in college - Latino/Asian/middle eastern. It was more of a physical attraction, and for some reason the relationships always seemed to stagnate. I also felt these guys were with me because they were so desperate to “be in a relationship” and didn’t really care that they were in one with me specifically. I’ve been with my white boyfriend for about 10 years and we connect on a more personal level. I was never attracted to other white guys before him, but I do think he’s incredibly hot.

Maybe my sample size was too small, maybe it’s my own psychological issues, but for me, dating my own race just seemed to work out better.

OP Have you considered putting some discreet lifts in your shoes? Do you still have a good head of hair? If not, have you shaved it all off?(a must for a balding brown man)

Those are my 2 deal breakers. I like tall, and I can't deal with thinning hair on anyone. Dick size doesn't matter, and I place a great value on someone who makes me laugh.

No offense, but I have found that men who say they are 5'9 are much closer to 5'7, and 5'7 just doesn't cut it for many. Lifts would bring you up to a real 5'9, at which you would be close to acceptable.

I'm one of those older white guys you mentioned OP (57), and yep, it's quite possible I'd find you attractive and tell you so. Surprised to hear you're not getting love from white guys closer to your age -- I've been under the impression that younger guys have broader tastes than that.

[quote]white guys have begun to accept that Latino guys can be sexy,

The wording here points to resentment. Bitch there has always been a fascination with Latin men. It is not just a recent "development."

r120, there has also always been a fascination with Arab men - think of Valentino as the Sheikh, or Aladdin, Black Stallion, Omar Sharif and all those erotic tales of handsome desert princes and harems.

[quote]Maybe my sample size was too small, maybe it’s my own psychological issues, but for me, dating my own race just seemed to work out better.

No surprise here, and no shame in it either. Most people end up in LTRs with those who are the same race. Like attracts like. Much more in common, etc.

[quote]There are white guys who fetishize middle eastern guys, but...there aren't that many white guys in this final category.

If there aren't many, then they must all be on DL. Read any thread about Islam. DLers fetishize guys who'd sooner kill them than fuck them.

I'm not racist, I'm just not into sand niggers

[quote]there has also always been a fascination with Arab men think of Valentino as the Sheikh, or Aladdin, Black Stallion, Omar Sharif and all those erotic tales of handsome desert princes and harems.

except that is not something you can credit white Americans, which is what OP is upset about.

Trends. White guys are attracted to brown guys today as long as those brown guys are white guys with several coats of sprayed-on brown. Otherwise, some fetishize various ethnic groups as sex objects, sometimes even as a way of excusing their blatant racism (See Milo Yiannopoulos’s “I love black cock and so no matter what racist things I say, I can’t be racist!” argument, which Out magazine and Bill Maher both accept as valid.), but generally in the US anyway, we still have a Euro-descended majority and human nature demands that minorities tend to be perceived as less desirable. So when Latino people become the majority, we can expect that within a few decades European people will be deemed less attractive.

R126, they already are.

[quote]when Latino people become the majority [...] European people will be deemed less attractive.

Oh honey, that already happens in many parts of the country. White men no longer get an automatic pass like they used to...

R116, I somewhat agree. Sometimes you can't distinguish Hispanic from Greek from Italian to Turkish etc.. There's a spectrum; I've heard the term spicy white to describe certain ethnicities. It's funny when you see couples who are Hispanic/white and they say they are an interracial couple when they are basically similar skin tone. Interethnic would be a more appropriate term. However, in the case of black, there is no gray area (no pun intended). If you're black, you're black.

R125, I think Latinos are already desired. White man/latin women is what I personally see the most as far as far mixed dating. So overall, white men and Latin men are probably 1 and 2 on the desirable scale. I would say Asian men seem to be the least desirable and then maybe Indians.

I kind of think there is something to this. I consider myself average looking. Some people call me cute, but it's never been a ton of people. When I was on Tinder, if I matched with a white guy they were usually pretty unattractive. While if I matched with someone of any other race at all, they were about my level of attractiveness (which again is nothing special). I don't think White guys are more likely to reflexively swipe left on brown guys. My first boyfriend ever was an extremely attractive white guy. But since we broke up the other guys he's dated based on his IG have also been black so it seems like its a thing for him.

I tend to go for white guys, but ANY guy who is hot, black, asian, middle-eastern, native american - are all hot at times.

A really condescending Middle Eastern guy on Tumblr hates white men and the Middle Eastern guys who date them. Anyway, he posted how in France, the gay Middle Eastern web sites are all over-populated with white, French men lol.

I DO* think many white guys reflexively swipe left on brown guys

Turkish = White

You people are slipping.

OP, I’m white and I love brown guys, particularly latino (mestizo) and middle-eastern men. Turkish men are very hot IMO.

R134, Turkish, just like tlAsians and anyone mixed-race, DO NOT equate to white.

White CAN be a little difficult to define but Turkish is too far in my opinion. I'm less sure about where to put people from Greece.

Turkish people are white people when naked. They're white. They're white when they don't have a power-tan too, just like egyptians, who look Greek. They also come in blond and redhead.

Greek people and Turkish people are white.

White dick. White people.

Case closed.

I like men of any race as long they are masculine.

And in what universe can a man who isn't morbidly obese with a big dick get some male ass?

None that I've heard of.

I'm pretty sure genetics would show people in Turkey share much more DNA with their neighbors to the East than the ones in the West

R140 Most guys don't put their dick in profile pictures on Tinder or OKCupid. Even on Grindr it's frowned upon unless you are hung like no one's business.

R130, the only time I downloaded Tindr, I did not match with a single white dude I found attractive. For me at least, the white guys who will hook up with me, won’t date me.

Now when it comes to hooking up, I have no issues whatsoever. And I’m not a top, either. To be fair, I am told I’m very handsome, even beautiful.

I don’t have typically bulbous black features, super dark skin, or black swagger, which seems to be a turnoff for your run-of-the-mill, young white guy.

OP, as far as racial desirability is concerned, white is at the top but Latino/brown is often considered second best, and one would think you wouldn’t have to be super attractive to score with average white guys.

My suspision is that OP is just not hot, and is using his race as an excuse for his lack of success with white men.

I like men of any race as long as they were BORN men and born with the dick and don’t consider themselves anything otherwise.

r125, huh? Wasn't it white Americans who went to see those films and read those fantasy books? The West has always had an erotic fascination with the Muslim world.

The media plays a strong role in what is considered sexual.

This hit me when I visited San Francisco years ago from my home on the East Coast. I opened up the newspaper to see a Macy's ad with a muscular Asian man modeling underwear. I had NEVER seen such an Asian male model in East Coast papers. It just blew my mind.

Certainly, It was published in SF which has a large Asian population, but with that large population, we see how sexy a non-white ethnicity can be.

When a friend (white) moved up to Harlem, he had never slept with a black guy before. Slowly, because he saw so many good looking blacking guys, he started to find them very attractive and he now included them in his sexual palette.

I tried to get with a Turkish guy. He insisted upon more and more pics. When I declined to send him any more, he demanded that I take selfies with my phone and send them to him right away. Throughout all this, he had not sent me a single pic of his face. And I'm a top, so I'm not going to put up with any nonsense. And that's why I didn't fuck a Turk.

Other white men leave me cold. Haven't been out with one in 15 years. Brown and Black men only, thank you.

American guys are incredibly prejudiced and ignorant, they think pasty white is beautiful, I don't know why. Darker skin is always better looking to me.

How does having an innate preference for certain things make one a "racist" or "prejudiced" or "ignorant"? Some people just have a strong natural attraction to white guys. Some have a strong attraction to Hispanic men or black men or Asian men or whatever. None of that makes someone prejudiced or racist. Some of you need to look up the meaning of the word "racist". There is a difference between liking or disliking certain physical types and behaving in a nasty hateful way towards another human being because he or she has certain physical characteristics. Stop all the victim mentality drama.

Give me hairy, hung, and uncut, I don't care what color.

I was out tonight and a guy whispered to his friend that I was 'fuglimic'.

I was saddened and went home early.

OP are you supposed to be taking anti-psych meds? Is this really happening or is it in your head? How did you hear someone whispering?

R154 I'm OP and R153 is not.

people in this thread who take pride in preference of darker skin are just as ridiculous as white skin only trolls. Everybody has the right to choose what they like, attacking white men as bland or cold to validate your preference is simply pathetic.

As long as a guy doesn't look like he'll get lost in the snow, I'll do him.

I'm a little brow Boricua and white guys, the minute they see me, immediately turn around, bend over and present hole so I don't now what the fuck you're talking about

White guys fuck latinos/arabs all the time, you must be really ugly for them to turn you down.

It seems like at least once a month we keep getting posts like this one, it’s obvious (at least to me) that it’s a troll. Seek therapy. Seriously.

Well it's an old thread from last year that was bumped up, but still.....

5'9' inches is not short. 5'8" is the average height for men.

R148 You're right but I suspect that OP is talking about Anglo type guys. I have never understood why Americans make such a fuss over Anglo Teutonic looks. Or why so many of this physical type are considered the height of beauty. Perhaps because there were originally a large amount of settlers from that area. Yes ,there are very attractive people of Northern European descent but there are also many of other ethnicities as well. My advice to OP would be to not put to much stock in the importance of getting a blond haired blue eyed guy. And I' m not sure why you aren't placing consideration on these older guys who are into you. Unless you have your own prejudices.

The middle eastern guys I've met in NY are OBSESSED with older white guys.

Not that I'm complaining mind you...

r163 Most young guys want other young guys, that's not really hard to understand.

While I agree there is a lot of bias, OP, is it necessarily racism?

Everyone is entitled to their own preferences in personal relationships. Otherwise, we’ve challenged the foundation on which much of gay rights legislation is based: our right to privacy is innate, and our choice of partner in marriage is a protected right.

That doesn’t mean you should be denied your rights: employment, housing, education, legal protection. I will tell you there are many white guys (me! me!) who are strongly attracted to non-whites. The other thing you should know is most gay men, when faced with a man who is hot and handsome will choose to not pursue. The fear of rejection is too strong.

You may perceive bias, and it may be there. You may also be too damn hot for basic white guys.

White guy here who prefers brown guys. I'm actually not attracted to many white men.

OP, why are you so necessarily attracted to white guys?

OP, you never answered whether you're top or bottom.

Snow Queens, Oreos or whatever you want to call them have been lusting after white guys for decades; this applies to AA/darker skinned gays and females as well. It just isn't in cards more often than not because number of men of European descent into AAs is statistically small. This applies to gays, women, trans, whatever.

Back in the 1980's you could go into most any mainstream gay bar from Uncle Charlies on down and it would be mostly whites. There might be one or two darker guys there, but not many. This wasn't just because of racism (though that certainly did exist), but plain fact that if you were a darker guy looking to hook-up it just likely wasn't going to happen. So you went to Peter Rabbit, Better Days, or bars uptown...

By the same token white guys into BBC went to Keller's or whatever mostly minority gay bar where they could get that itch scratched.

Only place see interracial gay couples in any great number at least in NYC is the Bronx.

Even Mike Woods remains still (surprisingly) single....

Now when it comes to Asians, Indian, Middle-Eastern, etc... that is another matter. A subset of gay and or straight men have always been into those groups. Indeed have noticed an uptick in NYC of late in white-Asian couples of both sorts.

R163 here. My response was meant for r138 not r148. Dunce cap for me.

Brown skin is almost always prettier than white, so I am at a loss.

[quote]You're right but I suspect that OP is talking about Anglo type guys. I have never understood why Americans make such a fuss over Anglo Teutonic looks.

It's a look that is found attractive all over the world. Blue, yellow, gold, pink ...the color palette (eyes, hair, skin) of the classic Anglo Teutonic look, are colors that people universally like. Blue is the worlds favorite color.

OP is probably insufferable or ugly

OP, even if you are ugly, if your body is at all nice, I would be all over you .

OP/R153 That sounds quite sad. I cannot speak for the Americans, but living here amongst them for twenty years, there is a great deal of ignorance concerning Turkish people here. Some may very well consider you an outsider, and possible terrorist. Many Americans think Turks are Arabs, and hold all sorts of misinformed notions. I would date a Turkish fellow, without hesitancy, if I were attracted. I like dark complexions and hairy blokes. Though I have pale, if not pink skin, I'm not lilly-white myself, being from mixed Irish-Jewish ancestry. My best advice is to go on GRINDR, or another app.

Try to keep your chin up, and don't feel bad about yourself. I'm not happy with what is going on at the present with Turkey, militarily speaking, but certainly wouldn't hold it against you. I've enjoyed many holidays in Turkey, and really enjoy much about your culture and people. Best Wishes!

OP needs to present whole so we can make a fair assessment

I'm a white guy who prefers brown, hairy men. Before I partnered up with a brown, hairy guy, I got laid a lot. I've been with a few white men but I just always preferred to be with darker men. I don't consider it a 'fetish' just a preference. The first guy I was with sexually was Hispanic so I've always been drawn to that kind of man.