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Why is My Mom Still in Denial About My Homosexuality?

My mom is 65 and I’m 32. As far as I’m concerned, there has never been any question in regards to my sexual orientation.

I’m an only child. I was a very effeminate up until high school and bullied for it constantly. I was caught looking at gay porn on the family computer twice when I was 12. And I’ve never had a girlfriend, never talked about girls, and never shown any interest in girls whatsoever.

And yet, she still asks me when I’m getting married and having kids with a straight face. She even, during Christmas last year, tried to set me up with a girl near my age who she works with.

I haven’t come out, largely because I feel like it’s pretty obvious. And also because I still have a lot of shame and anxiety around my sexual orientation (I know, pathetic),

When I was younger, my mom was always asking me things like, “you like girls, right?” And “I hope you like girls”. I internalized this and became extremely uncomfortable and anxiety ridden anytime my sexuality is brought up with her or my step father, and try to avoid it entirely.

What should I do? What’s my mother’s problem?

by Anonymousreply 90March 1, 2018 4:55 AM

Marry a friend, preferably a lesbian to get her off your back.

by Anonymousreply 1February 26, 2018 7:33 PM

Sorry for breaking DL cardinal rule stating the 1st reply must be snarky or sarcastic...... OP you need to just politely and calmly state that you prefer the company of another man. Certainly she'll have follow up questions. She may suffer from dementia, or just be a bit daffy. Until you say it straight to her face, she shall continue to "hope".

by Anonymousreply 2February 26, 2018 7:35 PM

Is your background Irish Catholic?

by Anonymousreply 3February 26, 2018 7:35 PM

[quote]Why is My Mom Still in Denial About My Homosexuality?

[quote]I haven’t come out

by Anonymousreply 4February 26, 2018 7:36 PM

R3, my mother hasn’t attended church in over decade and I’m atheist.

by Anonymousreply 5February 26, 2018 7:37 PM

I understand OP, my mom was the last person to know I was gay as well. It can be a painful conversation to have but will make both you and her feel better in the long run. Wish you both the best

by Anonymousreply 6February 26, 2018 7:38 PM

You still need to be straightforward with your mum. Have you ever been direct with her in other matters OP?

by Anonymousreply 7February 26, 2018 7:39 PM

R2 is correct, OP, and you can remind her that you can still get married and have kids with a husband instead of a wife. I think your problem is that you're scared, so focus on addressing that. Good luck!

by Anonymousreply 8February 26, 2018 7:40 PM

R5/OP, I was thinking more as a cultural thing, not a church-going thing because I know people like that.

Irish roots?

by Anonymousreply 9February 26, 2018 7:43 PM

If she already knows then why is she setting him up with girls?

by Anonymousreply 10February 26, 2018 7:43 PM

Great minds think alike, I was getting ready to create that exact same post r4 before I scrolled down.

by Anonymousreply 11February 26, 2018 7:45 PM

Once a pattern like this is established, it's very hard to break. I feel for you, OP, and definitely understand.

However, at some point you're just going to have make her say the word "Gay".

She sounds like a tough one to come out to. I went through the exact same thing.

by Anonymousreply 12February 26, 2018 7:45 PM

Tell Her!! Some people don't get the hint, or don't want to. Be direct and open your mouth!!

by Anonymousreply 13February 26, 2018 7:47 PM

[quote]However, at some point you're just going to have make her say the word "Gay".

OP first needs to concern with getting HIMSELF to say the word gay. You can't blame his mom when he is still being cowardly about it.

Stand in front of the mirror over and over, look yourself in the eyes and say "I'm gay" over and over. Do it every day. Own that shit and finally tell your mom you mary. You'll feel better once you get that behind you. Be proud of who you are and own it. Fake it and until you actually feel it.

by Anonymousreply 14February 26, 2018 7:48 PM

it really never came up when I was single., but once I got a live-in things got dicey. My first boyfriend I don't think I even introduced

by Anonymousreply 15February 26, 2018 7:49 PM

Sheridan, dear, don't you know that mummy has been reading DL since she found it on your computer last year?

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by Anonymousreply 16February 26, 2018 7:51 PM

Tell your mom that you love her. And then tell her that you're gay.

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by Anonymousreply 17February 26, 2018 7:54 PM

OP, does she not have a head?

by Anonymousreply 18February 26, 2018 7:54 PM

How about this? Getting right to the point:

OP: "Mom, why are you trying to fix me up with girls?"

Mom: "Well, they're lovely girls and would be perfect for you."

OP: "Mom, I'm a gay man and I'm not interested in women. I think you know that."

{then just zip it and wait for her response... because she already knows}

by Anonymousreply 19February 26, 2018 7:57 PM

I have a lot of sympathy for you OP! Especially the "Shame- Subject". Shame can be toxic and I also felt ashamed for feeling ashamed and for being (in my mind) already too old for being ashamed for being gay etc etc. It's paralysing and exhausting. I read some books on this subject and finally decided to see a good therapist - best decicison ever.

by Anonymousreply 20February 26, 2018 8:00 PM

OP you are pathetic. Tell your mother you like cock and she needs to shut her old clam.

by Anonymousreply 21February 26, 2018 8:04 PM

R20, the only way to truly tackle the problem is the rip off the band-aid. You can't conquer shame of your sexuality while you are still hiding it.

by Anonymousreply 22February 26, 2018 8:05 PM

OP, I feel your pain. I came out as gay to everyone but my family when I was about 21. Like you, I was kind of a "girly boy," and my mother was aware of it and sent mixed messages--on the one hand, it also, in my case, meant that I was a good student and obedient (the opposite of my brother, who had to go to summer school to graduate from high school and who had a statutory rape conviction on his record )by the time he was 20). On the one hand, I was praised for things that I think were tied to my being non-boyish (as stereotyped at the time, the mid-60s), but my mother (more than my dad) were also worried that I wasn't boyish enough. I gave up on trying to have an honest relationship with her, though it also meant that I kept hidden the pain I experienced when my ex-lover died (of a heart attack) and my best friend from high school onwards, whom she liked because he actually was nice to her (though, when we were in college and she was in her cups, she said she hoped he wouldn't "contaminate" me) died not simply of cancer (as I told her), but of AIDS. Part of what made it difficult was that my father died, unexpectedly, when I was 25, and she was a very sad widow--I think, had my dad lived, I might have felt more able to come out, since I think he would have helped her work through her feelings (and my brother was nine years older than I, in trouble from middle school on, and the counselor they saw, in typical fashion of the time, blamed her for bad parenting). I decided that it would be more work for me to be out (since, once I was 25, I lived far away and came home for visits, though often for several weeks in the summer, as I am teacher) to her than to just keep up the "blank" of my romantic life. She's been dead now for over twenty years; I was with her when she died in the hospital, having been in a non-responsive state for nine days. I told her I was happy and that I had just met someone who made me happy and I used the pronoun "he" (the deathbed coward, I know). She opened an eye and looked puzzled--I suspect it was not a conscious response, but the autonomic system (as was the case with Terri Schiavo). I wonder if, had I come out earlier, we could have had a warmer relationship, once she got over the difficult feelings she would experience. I think, like your mom, she must have played a game of see-saw--my sister, to whom I was always out, said mom often said she just wished I would find a nice woman to settle down with. But her favorite cousin was a very 1950s gay man, complete with marveled hair, a "roommate" named Emory (!), and a standard champagne brown poodle named Coco (and they all lived with Ken's mother, my great-aunt Mable), and mom, after her second scotch, would inevitably flirt with our waiter at a restaurant, who was also inevitably flaming. "I bet I know what your major is," she would slur, "I bet you're a theatre major." "Why, what makes you say that," the waiter would respond, and I'd roll my eyes at him. And she was a generous tipper.

by Anonymousreply 23February 26, 2018 8:09 PM

OP, I understand the "shame and anxiety" you mention. But trust me, coming out to her will relieve much of that. It'll be rocky at first but it's well worth it.

In the kindest way I must say that you, yourself, are mostly the cause of this. You've intentionally misled her or allowed her that little fantasy of a wife and kids for you and especially for her.

by Anonymousreply 24February 26, 2018 8:10 PM

You feel shame about being gay? That’s another way of saying that you hate yourself, that you are unloveable. You need to understand that you are not shameful and you are absolutely worthy of love. Period. There is nothing wrong with you. Rather, there is something wrong with your mother. Whether intentionally, accidentally, stupidly, vindictively, “we’ll meaning”, whatever, your mother has rejected who you are. You picked up on this at a very early age. Rather than deal with the pain of maternal rejection, you protected yourself from that pain by internalizing her words and rejecting yourself too.

You didn’t mention having been in a relationship, but I assume your feelings of shame have prevented you from opening up with someone. Love is vulnerability. Love is exposing yourself to the possibility of being hurt. When someone who is supposed to love you unconditionally does the hurting and exploits your vulnerability, you may learn to guard yourself in a way that fucks up your ability to be close with others who would love you conditionally.

If you can afford it, you need to see a good therapist to help you make the jump. You might lose her forever or you might lose her for a little while or you might be surprised at how she accepts you when pushed into facing reality. How she responds might hurt, but her ideas about you have nothing to do with you. They only speak of who she is. You need to face who you are, accept and repair yourself. If your mother can get it together, lucky her. If not, it’s her loss. You are still young. Don’t waste your life.

by Anonymousreply 25February 26, 2018 8:15 PM

R4 indeed, the question answers itself.

R25 covers it well. Life is limited, OP. If you wait until she dies before you start living yours, you might find that time you needed for your own life has passed you by. Tell her what needs to be said and let her cope with the consequences.

If I had to guess I would assume something you did not mention: that you are in line to inherit something and are afraid Mommie will cut you off when she discovers you're a big ole Mary.

by Anonymousreply 26February 26, 2018 8:20 PM

With an Irish Catholic mother like mine, denial is a state of being (she IS Hyacinth). Had to repeatedly say it - frustrating but ultimately made me confrontational with her. She did her best head in the sand/“oh did you hear about Martha” routine - she pissed me off by saying ONE MORE TIME that I will meet the girl for me. Broke down and said I’m gay and so it’s not gonna happen. Took a few times of more subtle repetitions before she eventually stopped with the girlfriend comments. 25 years later she is fine with it generally and loves my partner, but has a hard time with ANYTHING sexual - but an equal opportunity denialist on that with my siblings as well. And unfortunately as a daily Church going religious fanatic, still votes Republican. Accept her with her faults - but just can’t talk about anything political (or sexual).

by Anonymousreply 27February 26, 2018 8:26 PM

OP, you're only 32. Despite what's posted on Datalounge you are a young man with a full and rich life ahead of you. And your mother might live another 30 years, for all we know.

If you come out to her fully, she'll be able to share that with you. Much better than half measures and the relationship you have now. If she's unwilling to do that, it's not something you can control. However I feel you'll be much happier either way. I bet it will work out well in the end.

by Anonymousreply 28February 26, 2018 8:26 PM

OP, it's your life - you don't have to come out to her if you don't want to. But don't be shocked by her girlfriend talk.

by Anonymousreply 29February 26, 2018 8:36 PM

Lots of good advice here, OP. You have to come out to her, and you have to get past your own internalised homophobia.

My own two cents: I had a similar fear in coming out to my mother, who spent my teenage years in denial by constantly talking up girls to me. I came out and our relationship never recovered. She died seven years ago and went to her grave thinking my piece-of-shit heterosexual brother was perfect and that I was less than a man. You may have to endure the same. Just remember that you set the rules for what’s acceptable and isn’t. Even though it was strained with my own mom, any time she started down that path, I’d tell her to can that shit or I would leave. It often worked, but sometimes I’d have to leave. She learned.

And you can’t do any of that or face any of that if you haven’t come out. It may not be easy, but you’ll learn how honesty can transform your life. Good luck.

by Anonymousreply 30February 26, 2018 8:45 PM

OP I am a firm believer that everyone has to come out at their own pace and their own time. However there is nothing to prevent you from telling your mother that you have no intentions of ever getting married. You can give any reason you are comfortable with, tell her marriages don't last, you aren't the marrying type, you don't want to be tied down, you don't want children, what ever reason you are comfortable with.

Of course it would be best if you could tell her the real reason but that is something you can only do when you are ready.

by Anonymousreply 31February 26, 2018 8:46 PM

"What should I do? What’s my mother’s problem? "

Why do you have to DO anything? It is your mother's problem: don't make it yours. Live YOUR life and let her live hers. If she wants to live in denial, let her. You can't force her to be the mother you wish you had, so save yourself the heartache and accept HER the way she is.

by Anonymousreply 32February 26, 2018 8:51 PM

OP how much do you stand to inherit and how much do you need the money?

I finally was honest with my parents at 30 and they finally believed when I was 40.

Then they proceeded to fuck me over concerning the family estate. And I needed that money badly. I was counting on it to buy a home as all the jobs I had only allowed me just to survive in an expensive city like New York.

Now I'm going to see most of that money go to my upper middle class sisters and brothers in law and I am not happy. And it's not that I've had any great love affairs. Honesty can sometimes come at a great financial cost and as I really never had anything else in life I can't retire comfortably nor will I ever have had a home. I hope you are entirely self sufficient and can make a comfortable life and retirement for yourself and not be beholden to anyone for anything.

And I have the added kick in the head finally accepting that my parents never loved me.

by Anonymousreply 33February 26, 2018 8:54 PM

G-d that's bleak R33. Sorry you feel that way, but you should never have banked on your parents' money. Your POV smacks of an entitlement complex. I'm in no way defending cutting out a gay child, but as it is their money, did it ever cross your mind they might be blessed with longevity and spend most of it anyway?

by Anonymousreply 34February 26, 2018 9:16 PM

R33 , I'm so sorry to hear that. R34, I think the issue is the lack of fairness on the parents part. That would hurt.

by Anonymousreply 35February 26, 2018 9:17 PM

She might be mental.

by Anonymousreply 36February 26, 2018 9:18 PM

I kept hearing how coming out would revolutionize my relationship with my mother. Nope. Still the uptight closed-off Beth Jarrett that she always was. Though at least it stopped the girlfriend talk - can’t say I feel closer to her or like we are now besties or something. Maybe helps minimize the deep rooted shame, but a childhood of anti-gay shame isn’t so easily overcome.

And I guess this is one time I’m grateful there is no money to inherit. I’m paying for HER old age from my own savings. Family is tough - but at least mine weren’t psychopaths - just dysfunctional mid century Catholic immigrants.

by Anonymousreply 37February 26, 2018 9:19 PM

[quote]Your POV smacks of an entitlement complex.

I couldn't help but think the same thing. "I was counting on my parent's giving me the money to buy my house!"

But maybe I am just jealous because I am inheriting nothing significant from my parents and have always had to support myself.

by Anonymousreply 38February 26, 2018 9:21 PM

Thank you for all the replies, they have really helped me.

I don’t know my step father and mothers net worth, but I know it’s in the low millions, and I am to split that monetary with my step sister if I were to outlive them.

I don’t care about the money. It is the shame and embarrassment that keeps me from saying anything. I have never been more humiliated in my life than when I was caught looking at the gay porn in 1998.

My step father called my mom upstairs and said “these are the websites OP has been looking at”. My mom reacted very dramatically, started hyperventilating and crying.

I tried to deny everything but I finally confessed that yes, I had viewed those websites. She was very angry for a week and would barely speak to me, and then it was like nothing ever happened.

But it made it very clear that being gay was unacceptable to her.

by Anonymousreply 39February 26, 2018 9:24 PM

OP, you are freakin 32. You need to start standing up for yourself and quit being so cowed by your parents.

by Anonymousreply 40February 26, 2018 9:26 PM

Pre-internet, my mother found a stash of porn magazines with guys dicks circled, men’s underwear ads, and a gay ad. And 15 years later STILL wouldn’t accept I’m gay.

It’s all so ridiculous in retrospect - we are who we are, no apologies, no excuses, just live your life as fully and unashamedly as possible. And try to find real love along the way - which probably won’t feel anything like the “love” you got growing up.

by Anonymousreply 41February 26, 2018 9:32 PM

I think r19 has the most sensible, practical approach

by Anonymousreply 42February 26, 2018 9:41 PM

I know that what I said smacks of an entitlement complex and of course most people I've said this to have felt the same way.

I don't simply because I paid a terribly high price for my parents marriage. Two psychopathic catholics who managed to hold their marriage together by taking it out on me. Divorce was unthinkable but abusing a child is not. They can vent, make you extremely unhappy, say their prayers and go to bed with a clear conscious. You survive but you do not live. You hope for some refuge where you can at least find some comfort but you never will.

I saw an off Broadway play many years ago called Beggars in the House of Plenty. I was like oh my god that's my life! Somebody understood. Some children in a home flourish while others are destroyed. My parents who when I was a boy I thought truly loved me despite the abuse I suffered(what did I know?) withdrew all affection when they really knew without a doubt despite their prayers I was homosexual.

by Anonymousreply 43February 26, 2018 10:10 PM

Listen sweethearts, you hall have it easy. Back in my day (80s) when you came out it was often because you or your partner was dying of AIDS! Your partner, your exes, many of your friends, all dying or dead.

So you have an anal retentive controlling fucked up mom, or you get cut out of your inheritance. Those things suck, but you are still alive and they have to deal or not with reality, because so do you. Its your life, and your family can deal with some class or not - that's their fucking problem.

by Anonymousreply 44February 26, 2018 11:10 PM

Why break her heart? Find a girl and have babies then dump girl. Subconsciously, your mother wants grandchildren. Give her grandchildren and all is forgiven. Straight children who don't have kids are just as reviled as gays who don't have kids. Everything is about reproduction. Studies show that parents hate kids who don't have children.

I would also recommend conversion therapy but in joking fashion

by Anonymousreply 45February 26, 2018 11:26 PM

OP, since you've said you don't care about the money, re-read R14 again. Find the courage to accept yourself as gay, so you can then tell others. My coming out wasn't easy, in any way. I was disowned by my parents, and struggled for a bit. But, over time, we managed to reconcile: at first it became sort of a "don't ask, don't tell" solution, but eventually we moved forward, and I was so very grateful that my ex-BF was able to meet my parents (and be accepted by them) before they died. I realize that some people never seem to have issues with coming out, or being out, but that varies from person to person.

by Anonymousreply 46February 26, 2018 11:51 PM

Next time she asks you when you are going to get married and start a family, tell her when you find the right guy.

Then walk away.

by Anonymousreply 47February 27, 2018 12:12 AM

OP in my opinion your mother knows your gay, they always do whether the child admits it or not. But the reason she's still engaged in a ridiculous attempt to get you together with females is because it keeps her from admitting the truth to herself. As long as you nor she ever says "the word" then it's not true. It's about time for you to tell her so there will be no question. If she still does the same stuff then she needs psychiatric help.

by Anonymousreply 48February 27, 2018 12:26 AM

She knows you're gay.

She also knows you don't have the nerve to come out, so she's still hoping you'll marry a beard and give her biological grandchildren.

by Anonymousreply 49February 27, 2018 12:56 AM

Whatever you chose to do, please don't heed R45's machiavellian advice! Yeah.... Uh, just find a girl.... Have babies, then dump her. WTF!

by Anonymousreply 50February 27, 2018 11:22 AM

[quote] I haven’t come out, largely because I feel like it’s pretty obvious.

Clearly it isn't. You need to say "Mom, I'm gay and if you keep ignoring that or acting unsupportive or setting me up with women you will no longer be in my life. It is up to you."

by Anonymousreply 51February 27, 2018 11:28 AM

FF r45

by Anonymousreply 52February 27, 2018 12:13 PM

Have you moved out of the house yet? If so, was it far enough away? She sounds a lot like my father after my mother died. I needed a new metropolitan area, so I got one.

by Anonymousreply 53February 27, 2018 12:14 PM

Idk that the mom necessarily “knows.” If she’s a sexless, conservative old straight lady, she might not truly believe that homosexuality is a thing. Maybe she’s heard of sex between men but assumes it’s merely situational (eg prison) or a phase.

I agree with the advice to inform her in no uncertain terms, ideally starting with the essential words so she doesn’t have to wonder what you’re getting at: ‘mom, I’m gay, I’m only attracted to men, I’ve never been attracted to women and never will be etc.’

Bad idea IMO to inform her right then of what (you think) she knows, or say anything else about her. You’ll wind up sidetracked in a bullshit conversation about what she knew and when, and not getting to make your real point unless she lets you. Plus it’s not about her. You're a grown ass man and don’t need her permission to live your life however you want.

Instead tell her what you want or hope for in your relationship with her - your love is important to me, I’ve worried that telling you this would drive a wedge between us, I hope it won’t etc. Being respectful & generous toward her, even if you don’t really feel it, enhances your dignity and increases the chance of the conversation going the way you want it to.

by Anonymousreply 54February 27, 2018 1:06 PM

[quote] I know it’s in the low millions

I guessed correctly.

by Anonymousreply 55February 27, 2018 1:17 PM

You’re 32 years old and you’re still closeted? Grow up, please.

by Anonymousreply 56February 27, 2018 1:31 PM

Don't get lesbian pregnant because offspring will b gay. Look at all the gay kids from Hollywood bearding. Gayness is inheritable trait. Butch it up. Would u want your kids d to be Travolta or a classy closet case like Henry Fonda? Feels good to be yourself but sometimes that is not acceptable. She may have money u don't know about so b nice. And make sure her will is in order.

by Anonymousreply 57February 27, 2018 2:29 PM

I had a talk with my Sheridan and we agreed he would put girls on hold till he established himself as a quantity surveyor

by Anonymousreply 58February 27, 2018 2:45 PM

You sound like a real cunt R57.... You should make friends with the cunt at R45, you're like two peas in a pod.

by Anonymousreply 59February 27, 2018 2:45 PM

My friend and his longterm bf constantly visit his parents and even sleep in the same room together.

His parents still wonder when he's going to meet the right girl and get married.

Gay just isn't on their radar.

by Anonymousreply 60February 27, 2018 3:00 PM

You just haven't met the right girl

by Anonymousreply 61February 27, 2018 3:03 PM

[quote]she is fine with it generally and loves my partner, but has a hard time with ANYTHING sexual - but an equal opportunity denialist on that with my siblings as well. And unfortunately as a daily Church going religious fanatic, still votes Republican. Accept her with her faults - but just can’t talk about anything political (or sexual).

Who the fuck talks to their mom about their sex life? No one normal (and not trashy) does. Yuck.

by Anonymousreply 62February 27, 2018 3:08 PM

I find it interesting that people who have secrets get indignant when those around them can't "guess" the truth. Addicts do this too. Yes, I know you can't compare a closet addict to a closet gay. But there are similarities in that both work so hard at keeping their secrets. When they're finally ready to fess up, they get insulted that no one figured it out because somehow that means people weren't paying attention, or they didn't care enough to be Sherlock Holmes.

"How could you not have known?" Well, dear, maybe it's because you worked very hard at making sure I DID NOT know.

by Anonymousreply 63February 27, 2018 3:39 PM

OP writes,

[quote]What’s my mother’s problem?

She has not yet faced reality.

What you can, and should, do for yourself is move forward wether or not she ever comes to terms. You have more living to do, OP. And you should focus on yourself.

by Anonymousreply 64February 27, 2018 3:46 PM

R59, R57 is r45.

by Anonymousreply 65February 27, 2018 3:50 PM

R59, why attack me for stating biological fact. It's all about getting your DNA into eternity. Mother's love is dependent on your potential to get her DNA into next generation. Life is not about happiness, it's about reproduction and survival. Gay lifestyle is waste of resources.

by Anonymousreply 66February 27, 2018 4:59 PM

What are you doing here, R66?

by Anonymousreply 67February 27, 2018 5:00 PM

Damn idiot, op. Hey stupid, tell your poor mother! You are a goddamn asshole, a real jerk.

by Anonymousreply 68February 27, 2018 5:03 PM

Thx R66. Not at all surprised!

by Anonymousreply 69February 27, 2018 5:04 PM

Sorry, meant thanks R65... NOT R66

by Anonymousreply 70February 27, 2018 5:06 PM

I have never read a bigger asshole than Op. What a selfish, creep! Obviously his mother just wants the lowlife to share but he can't be bothered. You should just go jump into the Grand Canyon, douchebag.

by Anonymousreply 71February 27, 2018 5:06 PM

R59, you r welcome. And no you can't withdraw a thanks.

Anyway, the mother is 65 and deserves a reprieve from the demands of her children. She does not have many healthy years left. People live to eighty if they did not smoke but last ten years is plagued by illness. Don't use your poor mother as your therapist. Butch it up a bit.

by Anonymousreply 72February 27, 2018 5:24 PM

She wants you to tell her, and rather than coming out and asking, she is baiting you to say that you're gay she doesn't have to ask. It will be awkward, but you'll enjoy the hug she gives you and tells you that she will always love you. Please tell her now and let us know how it all worked out. You can do this!

by Anonymousreply 73February 27, 2018 5:38 PM

How else can he troll r67?

by Anonymousreply 74February 27, 2018 5:39 PM

I think he is a she, R74.

by Anonymousreply 75February 27, 2018 5:43 PM

"What is my mom's problem?"

Uh, your mom doesn't have a problem. You are the one who has the problem being honest. Seriously, 32 years old and not out of the closet yet? Grow up.

by Anonymousreply 76February 27, 2018 5:47 PM

R76, he does not need to come out of closet. U r asking him to throw himself on barbed wire so life is easier for u. The more normal gay is, the easier for u.

Not a troll or a female. Females r dumber than rocks.

Gays seem to have trouble understanding that coming out does not make society accept u. U r a problem for society. They don't want to know about it. Straight guys are very stressed by your existence. You grossly underestimated how much tolerance there is.

by Anonymousreply 77February 27, 2018 6:00 PM

You may not be female, r77, but you are most assuredly a troll.

by Anonymousreply 78February 27, 2018 6:18 PM

And thoroughly a cunt, R77.

by Anonymousreply 79February 27, 2018 6:19 PM

No no no, see he directly said he wasn't a troll!

When he hangs out on a gay board to tell gay people "ur a problem for society" and coming out is "throwing ur life away" there is nothing about that is trollish at all. Why he is just a normal DLer contributing to the discussion on this community!

by Anonymousreply 80February 27, 2018 6:23 PM

And by using "u" and "r" as words, it shows that he/she is really smart to...

by Anonymousreply 81February 27, 2018 6:47 PM

I'm just giving the op some unbiased advice from straight male. Mother's are not capable of unqualified love. See a therapist and don't burden your elderly mother.

by Anonymousreply 82February 27, 2018 7:24 PM

Well,I do agree that mothers are incapable of unbiased unqualified love. There is always a “I made you and had plans for you” overshadowing the “love” that comes with judgement (in most case).

The feminist carol gilligan wrote a book “A Different Voice” that analyzes the need for boys/men to make a clear break with the mother in order to grow. Girls/women don’t have that same need. But as an out gay man, I find the twisted codependent relationships some gay men have with their mothers to be self-destructive and an impediment to their growth as full fledged independent adults. Though my mother may be an extreme, I think all mothers want to remain the most important person in their kids life and the main source of validation. I’ve spent years in therapy dealing with it- and I’ve learned that while I can be kind and supportive of my mother, that relationship is ultimately destructive and an impediment to my mental health and I need to reject the hegemony of the Mothers are the most important people in the world belief system

by Anonymousreply 83February 27, 2018 7:42 PM

i was shocked to learn that my mother didn't at least suspect i was a lesbian once i came out. she had no idea. none. it was just never on her radar, as someone upthread said. now she asks me about random acquaintances of hers...once she started thinking about it, she developed some kind of gaydar.

by Anonymousreply 84February 27, 2018 8:18 PM

Why doesn't my mom acknowledge that I am gay?

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by Anonymousreply 85February 27, 2018 10:01 PM

Don't expect people to know things that you don't tell them. How can your mother be expected to accept that fact that you're gay when you have never acknowledged it?

Sit down and have an adult conversation with her and tell her you are gay.

by Anonymousreply 86February 27, 2018 10:07 PM

Any gay man who doesn't talk to his mother about his being gay and who complains about her gaming it deserves the embarrassment of having her tell people in his presence that he just hasn't found the right girl yet.

Tell the bitch, you silly ass.

by Anonymousreply 87February 27, 2018 10:17 PM

Of course she loves you and she wants you to be happy, but she also wants grandchildren! And she probably wants them more than she wants you to be happy.

To be fair, she probably genuinely believes that marriage and children will make you happy, or at least that being a father will make you happy. And OP, as long as you're not out and introducing her to your boyfriends, she will continue to hope that you'll settle for some nice girl and make her a grandmother.

by Anonymousreply 88February 28, 2018 2:11 AM

R88 is right. Have children.

by Anonymousreply 89February 28, 2018 7:54 PM

I suspect OP isn’t stable enough to be a father. He is afraid to let his own mother know who he really is. What makes you think he has the emotional stability to raise children?

by Anonymousreply 90March 1, 2018 4:55 AM
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