Ricky Martin is on a mission to normalize open relationships!

[quote]I wonder if that means he and his huzzie aren't exclusive either

That is the obvious implication of him saying he believes in open relationships.

I'd keep his hubby company.

Does he think people will see open relationships as normal when Versace was murdered? lol

Ricky Martin thinks drinking a guy's piss and eating his shit is sex too.

Never had an open relationship. I did it the old fashioned way. I cheated and lied about it. We did try it together once with another guy. It freaked him out. It wasn't the sex. It was the affection I showed to the other person afterwards. That's what hurt him.

I'd be curious to hear from others who've done it and how it worked out.

He's damaged goods, passed around as a kid, a totally stretched out hole since age 12, you know he'd never be satisfied with one man. Or a dozen.

I did a relationship that was open.

We had been dating for maybe four or five months, at one party we both thought a guy was cute and had a threesome. We liked it and and there ended up being a few more threesomes/playing with another couple over the course of the relationship. For us, it never caused any real issues, we were both comfortable with it.

It ended, but for unrelated reasons.

Open relationships work best when there is no ego or insecurity involved. I believe the best relationships are fuck buddy relationships or friends with benefits. They are easy and fun.

Not that there’s anything wrong with it, but there just aren’t that many people who will ever agree to it.

There are many names for this:

Fuck buddy

Friend with benefits

Drunk roommate

He needs the praying hands of DeVon Franklin laid upon him!

Why "normalize"? Why do people not only feel entitled to do whatever they want, but to demand other people's approval for doing whatever they want? Massive entitlement? Hidden guilt feelings they're trying to externalize?

And it's not like I disapprove of open relationships, at least not up until the moment I unexpectedly find I'm in one. I neither approve nor disapprove of things that are none of my business, because they are none of my business.

r12, I believe it has something to do with being obsessed with validation. Giving, receiving, denying, etc. We constantly look at others to validate us and we feel the need to give validation to others (or make them aware that we refuse to give it to them and judge them instead for something) without being asked to do so most of the time.

So, he's pro-roommate!

After the piss business, it's clear Ricky overshares.

we both got fucked by hung Eskimo. Guess who caught the "bug". Yours truly. it was a 50/50 chance

He really said he was into piss play?

R7 I'm in an open relationship, for several years now. Though I sometimes append that its like a door a little ajar, not blown out. And same: rare threesome, I was more adventurous at first but I'm settling into just liking the opportunity (though probably get me into a gym for a few months and a little less stress in my life, and that may change), and he was less adventurous at first but now has semi-regular lays (though half the time when he intends on something, they end up just chatting, and I'm not starved for attention).

The worst consequence I can imagine of our agreement is that it might have postponed more serious discussion of marriage by years - but I can attribute that to several factors of our lives and our relationship, with this openness maybe not even making the top 3. Otherwise we're very happy and comfortable.

R12 Normalization isn't the same as approval, though more approval can come as consequence. Normalization is also something that reduces negative judgement and subsequent aggressive action. Normalization of gay relationships isn't necessarily approval in particular, but it is somewhere an increase of it and a decrease of harm towards gay people. Or the other way around - normalization of, say, a fashion trend means that more are doing or are okay with it, but there's less fashion pushers trying to make it 'the thing'.

Normalizing open relationships, at least to me, just means less scornful looks and responses when one mentions they're in one (and not even being pushy; just acknowledging it in relevant context instead of keeping silent). He's not *promoting* it for *you*. That's different.

I've been in monogamy and polyamory (not really polygamy, as I've never 'attached' to more than one) and the latter has worked better for me in this relationship. But somehow that's bad. No, I'm not going to dictate to you that your relationship is necessarily horrible because you're two people stuck together, but I hope that my - in my opinion - good and healthy condition is not a horrible relationship where we just sleep around and don't care about each other.

Open relationships = people with narcissistic personality disorders/bi polars. Usually it is one person who has given up but is too weak to get out so they agree to it.

R13 celebrities in particular are obsessed with validation. They will deny it but they always want praise for what they're doing. It's not enough to be rich and famous-they desperately want awards for it too. For many of them it's a never-ending void. No amount of validation is ever enough.

and I guess Ricky can't enough different men

Nothing's healthier or more normal than a throuple!

[quote] “I want to normalize relationships like this,” Martin told Vulture. “It’s good for the world; it’s good for me as a gay man with kids. It’s important that we shed some light on power couples like this.”

What an ego.

Also, doesn't "power couple" mean that BOTH partners in the couple are famous and powerful? I fail to see how that applies to Versace's partnership (or to Martin's marriage).

"power couple" = two self-perceived A-gays

It's not just narcissism; there's also an addiction to relationships and a tendency to organize one's life primarily around carnal desires. Nothing wrong with any of that, of course. We're all different and I'm glad society doesn't punish them for acting out these preferences.

What I do have a problem with are individuals like Savage who maintain this is our "true nature" and those of us who are monogamous are somehow wrong in the head.

"As a gay man with kids", you're supposed to do the opposite, encircling your relationship rather than opening it up?! if you do have spare time in between work and home life, the kids should get receive the excess energy driven in their direction. What am I missing here?

I want Jwan, but I would do without her ladyship honey

I don't see the point in having a relationship at all if it is going to be open. The whole point of a relationship is that you share a deep feeling of love for each other. It is a special kind of love and different than what you feel for anyone else. Physical/sexual attraction is a component but you are also attracted to their mind and soul and respect them as a human being. If you can love somebody else the exact same way then you don't have that kind of love for your partner at all. In which case you shouldn't be in a relationship at all, but instead just be "fuck buddies."

I think open relationships are for sluts (male and female) who can't stay committed to one person and would rather just fuck everything they can instead. Call me an old fashioned prude all you want, but I don't like the new 2018 definition of a relationship and I don't approve.

Jwan is obviously the old-fame-big-money avatar of Steve Brockman aka Russell Tovey 's pornie / escort 'husband' ( = whore)

Yeah, not sure anything about the Versace mess should be normalized.

Where is the 'this will end in tears and STD' troll ?

I am so tired of greedy pigs who are in "married" always wanting to fuck around. No bitch. Go to your husband. You decided to get officially married, so own it. If you had a BF that was open, maybe it would annoy me less.... but it's gross - especially watching all the sanctimonious shit that went on in the gay marriage fight.

I think all gay men's relationships need a serious overhaul, especially "marriage". Very few gay men can be committed to one person forever. That is stupid and selfish. All these gay couples want to be like their straight counterpart couples. You're a man and a man, not a woman and a man. Not to say, straight men don't cheat or straight women don't cheat. But, why should we follow in a straight couple/marriage tradition that STRAIGHT PEOPLE BUILT. Gay "marriages" SHOULD be open.

Where is the ' that is why every body hates us ' troll?

Then he should have never gotten married if he wants an open relationship. Fuck buddy or friends with benefits! Would work better for Mr Martin.

I don't think Jwan would have opted for sex buddy. The guy is HAWTER THAN HOT. No prenup

R33, I disagree with you and think that is kind of homophobic. So because someone is gay that means they should be expected to put up with disrespect? Sounds like you just want to be able to cheat without having to feel guilty about it. If you still want to sleep around then you are not relationship material. Don't get in a relationship if you can't stay faithful because that means you aren't ready for one. Some people are never ready.

R37 Biologically, men aren't meant to be with one partner. If you want to continue to deny it to yourself, you're in for a lot of heartbreak. I am hardly being homophobic. It's funny how some men get together and call their other a "partner" - that sounds more homophobic to me.

R25, bingo. Do what you will in your relationship, but don't tell me what's normal in mine. You're not the President.

More about Jwan being open, bitches please

[quote]and I guess Ricky can't enough different men

r20, what makes you think it's just with men? Ricky consistently says he's into women as well but for some strange reason he rejects the fact that this makes him bisexual.

R8 not always. Sometimes a fwb/fb can end up falling for you. If those feelings are not returned, drama can ensue. There are a lot of people who think they can handle a fwb/fb situation but really can't and feelings develop.

[quote] Biologically, men aren't meant to be with one partner.

Link, please.

R38 = Dan Savage

[quote]What I do have a problem with are individuals like Savage who maintain this is our "true nature" and those of us who are monogamous are somehow wrong in the head.

Woah, get off that cross Monogamous Jesus, we need the wood for lanai furniture.

R38, Maybe you aren't, but I am. I could never cheat in a relationship. I think the existence of STDs is proof that people aren't meant to screw everyone in existence. Sex isn't a sport. You won't get more points the more partners you have. Just calm down.

People will never accept anything other than their own relationship preference or reality as what's "right" ("deal with it!"). My problem with Ricky isn't what he does. If he's honestly content, then fine. It's that he won't shut the fuck up about it.

r47, so he is flauting his depraved lifestyle right in your face and that offends you? Poor bigot.

Not at all. I don't find his lifestyle depraved, and it doesn't offend me. It's just like fraus talking about their kids at work. I don't find their parental lifestyle depraved and it doesn't offend me. I just don't need to constantly hear about it.

Bitches! Who cares about Ricky ? CAN WE HAVE MORE OF JWAN PLEASE ?!!!!

r49, so why are you LOOKING for it and feel the need to join a discussion for something you don't want to be part of and be exposed to?

I thought he was one of the good ones. An inspirational figure for young gay men. Instead he’s just another WHORE!!!

Been in a relationship for 18 years, the last 15 of them open. We’re married. The people who equate marriage equality with monogamy? What’s that about? Plenty of straight marriages through the millennia are/were open and no one questions that, even when they’re not honest about it. We’re totally honest with each other and our friends so why judge?

This universe is based on expansion. We move forward through all kinds of evolution cycles. You know what can slow that down? Getting married and then having to constantly argue why you are interested to go in this direction instead of the direction your spouse wants to go. And then harbor resentment for not getting what you want and instead having to please others and being called selfish for having the nerve to be interested in doing things differently or viewing them differently. And all because you put a ring on it on some fateful day.

I'm actually here just to get you riled up, R51. It's pretty easy.

He's only into men, open relationships, and a variety of fetishes because he was molested from the ages of 12 to 17 while in Menudo.

r55, exactly. You are just a troll using bigot rethoric. Thank you for being so obvious about it.

"It freaked him out. It wasn't the sex. It was the affection I showed to the other person afterwards. That's what hurt him"

And that's what you enjoyed about it most.

Why are gays so very afraid of famous gays "doing the wrong thing, making us all look bad"? Who cares? The hets will never truly accept us so we may as well do whatever the fuck we please. Stop being such a wimp, OP. Gays trying so hard to please everyone to a point where some are even trying not to seem "too gay" is annoying as Hell. I'm well aware that we're being judged for the behavior of few but by embracing this you're not helping.

This is why they hate us!

So sad, R57. You'll get it together.

R46 Yeah, put words in my mouth. I never said this was a competition. If you want to lie to yourself and think your man is going to stay monogamous with you until you die, then live your lie.

Open relationships don't work when one partner is terrified that the other one might realize that there is something, or someone, better out there for him.

OP sounds like an easily triggered frau.

Ricky Martin is basically disgusting like most gay men with money. Jaded to the point where they attempt to make the abnormal normal.

R65 I am not a fan of Ricky Martin's, but you sound sheltered. Abnormal? I'm sure your house of cards is easily shattered.

Bigot trolls trying to stir up shit.

Oh those damn gays not being able to keep it in their pants and do their nasty business behind closed doors *grrrrrrrr*.

There are many, many reasons to marry. We're not all trapped in some Ozzie and Harriet fantasy. We're just two men, trying to make our way through this world together. Two HORNY men.

He probably likes open relationships due to all the fetishes he has. Boyfriends he actually likes probably don't want to be pissed on or whatever so he finds somebody else who does.

The poor guy probably never got therapy from his menudo days. Other members said while they did experience sexual abuse, there was also physical and verbal abuse plus drugs and being paid like shit despite being overworked. That would explain all this.

Is there a Ricky Martin fetish thread I've missed? I keep here all these things about piss and being a pass around boy, but don't know the origins. Does someone have a link?

^hearing

I wonder who the bigger crusader is: Ricky Martin or the OP fighting against his fiendish influence?

I will listen and give advice to people when things aren't working for them. and base to on what I know about them. I dont think Ricky Martin or anyone else has much wisdom to share about what might work in general or what might be "normal" and who really gives a fuck about what is normal or not?

I dont want to know or hear that much about my friends, heterosexual couples and their cheating, or my friends, homosexual couples and cheating or open or whatever. I mean a reference here or there is fine but I'm friends with the couple, not with the fuckbuddies, too.

I don't see how an open relationship can work. Seems like it would always be a competition. "You like that son of a bitch more than you like me, don't you? I knew it! I gave you permission to have a little fun on the side but you ARE technically married to me, not him. I hope you remember that." It is human nature to compare ourselves to others. I shouldn't have to compete for my man's attention. If he doesn't want me then he can get the fuck out.

r74, I think the key is to hit it and quit it, no repeats. When you are this famous and wealthy, you will have tons of ass and dick willing to fuck you.

Good god, you don't sound like relationship material to begin with, R74.

You will not find unconditional love in marriage. In a marriage you agree to certain terms and if you abide by them it's all fine, but if you don't, boy, you are in sooooo much trouble!

People look for love in all the wrong places, and that includes marriage. What most people define as love is pretty much a hostage situation (you do whatever it takes to please ME, or else ... *shaking fist*).

How does he have the energy to fuck around? I work 60hrs a week, me and my boyfriend fuck 4-6 times a week and i'm done. I might jack off a few times during the week but other than that i'm good to go.

Why would a working guy with kids and a busy schedule need an open relationship? If a married couple is fucking at least every other day that and a few porno jackoffs should be enough. How many times a week does horny ol Ricky need to cum?

The men in his open relationship must be filling more than a need to just cum. There is probably some emotional aspect to it.

whatever works for the people involved..... but for me Im way way too jealous. It seems like to me open relationships often happen sometime not too long before the breakup. You d like to think at least for a while at the beginning that its mad passionate love and the one person is enuf...but I suppose more times than not that fades.

I've got quite a few friends (both gay and straight) who are in open marriages. I don't care, non of my business and I never criticize or question them. I wish they could do the same for me and my decision to be monogamist. Lot's of poly and gay people insist I'm "unevolved" for not being open.

R38 that’s not true. Monogamy happens in nature all the time with different species.

R70

Here:

R70 The "pass around boy" thing is the Menudo scandal, which is so wild that it probably could have its own thread, but there's too many gringos here for it to stay up for long.

**The Menudo scandal goes back to 1990 when those members at the time were caught with weed and the members said friends of management gave it to them.

**There was a rumor where one of the member's brothers walked in on a menudo member and a staff member lying in bed; in some tellings it's Ricky and in others it's Ray Reyes. There was another rumor that one of the members wet a hotel bed in his sleep.

**In 1991 some Menudo members went on Cristina's show (some call her Latina Oprah) and alleged the manager Edgardo Diaz and other men abused them.

**In 1991 the menudo photographer Bolivar Arellano claimed the boys were plied with drugs and alcohol and sexually abused.

** At some point Diaz admitted that many boys came out of Menudo with worse problems than they had coming in (since many members were lower class), but said he wasn't the one that did it.

**In 1999 a tabloid claimed Jose Menendez tried to molest 13/14 year old Ricky Martin while driving him to Disneyland via pulling off the side of the road and trying to stick his hand down his pants (Note: this was at the height of Ricky's fame and Menendez murder was still fresh in peoples minds, and also the other members say hotels and the mansion in Orlando is where their abuse happened, and they would've taken the Menudo plane and bus at this point of their fame). I've also noticed rightwing conspiracy theorists have been using this lately while not being aware of the actual accusations and CDAN tried making a blind item out of this by connecting it with Corey Feldman.

**Angelo Garcia came out in 2015 to say somebody sexually abused him while in Menudo.

**Roy Rossello said in 2014 he was also sexually abused and described an alleged incident where he was summoned to Edgardo Diaz's room and Ricky was there dressed in women's clothes. He claimed he got Robi Rosa and Robi hit the manager. (Note: Ricky and Robi are 2 of maybe 4 members who have a career that causes them to have some relevancy today, and Roy was going through financial trouble at this time).

**In 2014 Rene Farrait said Diaz and others "know what happened". He claimed he mentioned things in interviews while in the group and it was cut out when they aired it. He claimed he wasn't aware of the thing Roy said because he left the group by that point, but said there were "other things" that occurred during his time.

And of course members who still have some career (Ricky, Xavier, Johnny, and Robi) say they had different experiences or don't comment on it at all. That's just so they don't completely minimize or deny what happened to others while still trying to deny that it happened to them.

[quote] Biologically, men aren't meant to be with one partner.

I don't remember appointing you the spokesman/decider for my entire sex. Speak for yourself, not for me.

R74 You're either super young or (no offense) a woman. Who on Earth talks/thinks like this?

I made the mistake to get involved with a couple once (they took me home) and all it did was add drama to my life. I thought it was a one time thing, all was good, but then they'd try to add me to their relationship, would actually get jealous when we went out and I kissed someone else in a club. That was the weirdest shit ever. I kinda sorta broke off contact.. which did suck because I liked them both (as friends), we met again after months.. and it didn't took long for them to get possessive again (even tho we never fucked again).

There have been studies linking promiscuity to sexual abuse and rape but have there been studies linking fetishes to it?

R87 there have been studies linking abuse to rape fantasies and dangerously compulsive sexual behaviors but I'm not aware of other fetishes

Also Ricky probably would've coped better had he gotten professional psychological help instead of burying himself in different religions and going to India.

There are studies linking lack of sex to judgemental behavior.

There are studies linking Mary! fits to clenched frigid butt holes.

R90 We're just worried for Ricky. There was that housekeeper who said there was a parade of young men coming to his house with only a handful ever returning and said Ricky dated a singer almost old enough to be his dad in 1989/1990 i.e. literally right when he became legal. Also late 80s and early 90s were still very dangerous for gay and bi men so him having all that sex with strangers isn't normal.

This study showed men with paraphilias (kinks or fetishes) were "statistically significantly more likely to self-report a higher incidence of physical (but not sexual) abuse,"

Remember when Ricky admitted to being fine at the idea of being a homewrecker during his (presumably) early 20s?

[quote]After we broke up I spent a couple years acting like the typical alpha male, a total ladies’ man. I was young and famous, I was an artist, and I made it my business to go out with every woman who crossed my path. It didn’t matter if she was single, married, widowed, or divorced.

[quote]The fact that she married—although at the time she was separated—was of course a source of constant pain for me, but I think it was also part of what attracted me so much. Forbidden attraction makes things more exciting. And she was both dangerous and a forbidden woman, which made the whole thing even more irresistible. But despite how much I loved her—and maybe because of it—she broke my heart. One day when she picked up the phone and heard my voice, she said, “Oh Gabriel, I have a headache right now; I’ll call you when I wake up.” This response was like a bucket of ice thrown in my face. Pretending I was Gabriel, her assistant, meant that she was sleeping where she supposed to be sleeping—with her husband.

R93 hmmm... i'm a kinky bastard but you never had any abuse. Wonder where mine came from?

R95 Do you understand the difference between correlation and causation?

R96 yes. Lol. I was being neither sarcastic nor completely serious. It would be an interesting topic for me to look into as a kinkster

I think there was a book called "Open Marriage" for straights back in the 70s. My father had it and he and his second wife were into it. They tried it with their best friends. It was a disaster and ended the friendship.

R98 like anything in life, we tend to hear from the people who are successful at whatever they were trying. So we hear the hot stories of threesomes, we hear the successful stories of throuples. We don't often hear from the awkward uncomfortable threesomes or the disastrous poly relationships

R74 I wouldn't say that general sentiment isn't not a part of things, but it hasn't been a competition in most ways at most times. But for us, we still put each other at prime and other guys are more for sexual fun or friendly connection. I've been in crushes with others and he's felt kinda nuts over others (ROCD - look it up) , but we both stick with each other. And we don't fight about this stuff.

Context is everything. I can see having a RARE 3-way while on vacation if you've been together for a long time, and the relationship is on solid ground. One of those "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" kind of things. However, if you want to open up the relationship within a year of being together, then you're not ready for a committed relationship. It's probably better for you to stay single until you've had your fill of men, which usually hits by the time you reach 40.

R95 Depends on what it is. Like foot fetishes seem to be caused by dick and feet being close to each other in their brain.

At least he's not embodying the worst gay stereotype, that of the pedophile, unlike 60% of Datalounge.

R102 that's one of them!

So do people actually believe Ricky was sexually abused? And he's fucked up because of it?

He is a sell out because he married a Middle Eastern. He should have married another Latino.

R85 warning 'no offense' before calling someone ' a woman ' made my day

It depends on the couple and the type of relationship they have. For some an open relationship or marriage is acceptable. For others infidelity is a betrayal and becomes the death blow.

Martin didn't come out until 2010. After he had had kids (2008). Then the relationship with Carlos González Abella and the publicity twirl - oh what a great family we are going to be and poof that dude was gone and now onto this glamour queen hunk.... Does the ex have anything to do with the kids? Will Jwan - when they split. Jwan strikes me a social climber who is going to move on to billionaire daddy at some point. Martin has never lived normal so maybe he should live his life the way he wants, the best he can, and it will be giving an example of something happy and successful if he, his kids, and his partners speak well of it 15 or 20 years from now.

Ricky said Carlos didn't want to date a single father so he was probably one of those people who just "babysits".

[quote]Lot's of poly and gay people insist I'm "unevolved" for not being open.

Evolved men prefer sexual exclusivity. Data from a large, representative American sample shows that more intelligent boys are more likely to grow up to value sexual exclusivity in early adulthood than less intelligent boys.

R111 tell that to any of the gay leaders who have taken queer Theory or women studies in college

It's ridiculous to claim that monogamous men are more intelligent as promiscious men, unless it means that monogamous men are smarter to cover their tracks cheating on their partners.

,,, are more intelligent THAN promiscious men ...

I agree, the discussion is silly. One is not better than the other. The problem is in people judging others for the way they decide to live their lives.

[QUOTE]He probably likes open relationships due to all the fetishes he has. Boyfriends he actually likes probably don't want to be pissed on or whatever so he finds somebody else who does.

[QUOTE]The poor guy probably never got therapy from his menudo days. Other members said while they did experience sexual abuse, there was also physical and verbal abuse plus drugs and being paid like shit despite being overworked. That would explain all this.

Revolting. Have some self control, Ricky.

^ It's not his fault molestation often results in compulsive sexual behaviors.

Ricky and Jwan are welcomed in my bed at anytime.

The ongoing theme of boy bands, is the boys are chosen based on how fucked up their lives were at home. Missing fathers, abusive homes, poverty. Every one of the boy band creators are pedophiles. That’s how they work. It’s how children are scooped up for prostitution as well. Here’s these great guys who will take care of you.

There’s no doubt in my mind that children like Ricky were: beaten, overworked, drugged, given alcohol, threatened, beaten and told to bend over. They went from poverty issues to child rapes. There’s nothing sexy about any of that. They’ve had cruel lives at the expense of others, and they’re fucked up. History repeats itself.

I believe Menudo is the boybad with the most cases where boyband members were replaced during the boyband's existence. They were practically glorified prostitutes who were promoting themselves as music stars and then got pimped out to rich men behind the scenes by the managers and were practically slaves who had to either record songs, do promotion gigs, go on tour, or have sex with clients.

Speaking of Menudo, this is rather bizarre: Menudo singing the Spanish version of the Village People's Can't Stop the Music. When it gets to the chorus it could just as easily be little girls. Their voices hadn't changed yet.

You were kicked out of Menudo before the age of 16 if your voice deepened too much, got too much facial hair, or got too tall.

So yes, the men in charge seemed to be pedophiles in the most literal sense.

Open relationships are a no-no once you have kids. Time to grow up Ricky.

R17

What's the big deal? Straight do it, but they call it D.I.V.O.R.C.E.

Please, 75% of this site would jump on this cock if he asked and said his hubby was fine with it.

Gurl, like r92 said Ricky has been a big hoe for years. No news here!

R126 I thought Ricky was really attractive when he was younger but I'm not attracted to him anymore. He's still good-looking but I'm just not into him

There's no way Ricky doesn't have HIV or hasn't had numerous STDs before, right?

Will Ricky make his #MeToo statement? I'm sure all the other Menudo guys would appreciate it.

You're a skank Ricky, stop trying to make it everyone else's issue.

Well good for him they should be normalized in the gay and straight world.

I am opened to Jwan, Ricky can take a walk

Jwan is a butterface though. I'm sure Ricky puts a bag over his head on the rare occasion they have sex with each other.

To each his own, I love a clinched chinned dark sensuous middle easterner

Can we please get back to Ricky and the urinations? Please . . .

No. Really. I 'm ok. I don't need more details about Ricky 's scat fetish.

I've never met an Hispanic man yet that didn't cheat or have an open relationship.

That's true. Views on relationships can be cultural. It's not uncommon for a gay latino man to find ass elsewhere, whether the partner is okay with it or not. On the down low married men are even a staple of lgbt latino culture.

I hate this guy

The open marriage was already too much for me, the piss fetish is the last nail. I like Ricky Martin no more. Next

Old news now, but he's having a threesome or foursome with Gus Kenworthy.

"I can't. Just keep adding to gay stereotypes, Ricky."

Well aren't you just Judge Judy and Executioner?

[quote] You're a skank Ricky, stop trying to make it everyone else's issue.

Why do you make it YOUR issue? Do you feel personally threatened or attacked by Ricky Martin sharing his opinion about something?

In my day we called this was it is - - sheer harlotry.

[italic][bold]"I should be enough for him."