Jazz Jennings explores her past life as a closeted gay man during regression hypnotherapy

I feel bad for her.

Is it too late for her to be a boy? I admit to knowing nothing about Jazz

I wouldn’t blame the dad for up and leaving his disrespectful life partner. The mother and Jazz are all about themselves and their selfish needs. I couldn’t fucking believe it when the mother went ahead and signed for Jazz to get a tattoo. Jazz isn’t five years old anymore either. Sneaking around the fathers back is scummy. It knew damn well it was a couples decision, and decided to be blind and oblivious to it all. The mom wants to be the fucking hero. Fuck her, she’s a cunt. The other kids are kinda resigned to never being a priority. They also knew damn well the dad wouldn’t have consented, and called attention to it in the background. Greg seems like a nice person, and deserves someone just as nice. He’s being used.

I love her new hit single “My Bubblegum”!

She's hungry all right, but it isn't for acceptance.

The dad must be getting something on the side to put up with that hag.

This kind of reads like Jazz is 46 years old.

My heart breaks for that kid. Why won't they let her figure out what she's going through in private!!!??? The mom is pushy and lives for the attention, but the dad's nice guy behavior just gets him steamrolled...sad people

It’s not her, it’s him

Oh for the love of God, make this stop!

A hungry attention whore with a bag full of gimmicks.

The lawsuit - and you know it's going to happen - "Jazz" will bring against his parents and medical practitioners for negligent, abuse and full of shit will fill media home pages for years.

[quote]Is it too late for her to be a boy?

She is a boy. They can't magic male DNA away. Acceptance starts with self-acceptance. Sadly this kid is the petri dish for T ideology. Within a couple of years her misery will be such that it may intensify to a light bulb moment, and she will sue her 'health care providers' and 'gender clinic' and take out the weave and rejoin her gay male brothers.

Jazz is smoking weed these days which she needs to stop, it dulls the anger she'll need to break free

I’m 100% sure Jazz smoking weed is perfectly ok with Jazz’s mom. Jazz can do whatever the fuck IT wants. And IT’S daddy will have to just sit there and watch it happen.

I don't blame Jazz for this sad mess. He could have found acceptance and love as a gay teen but now, I think she realizes that there is no way out of this for her, especially with his chemically-mutilated genitals.

So if they took him off whatever hormone blockers he's on and gave him testosterone and hgh could he grow a normal sized dick & balls? Would his voice drop? Is there a order in which he can be 'chemically reintegrated as male' so that he'd go through normal male puberty? Or is it too late like bones have fused and whatever? They must have him on a fuckton of estrogen for his tits to be so big.

Electroshock therapy for Jazz & his whole family.

May or may not help. But still fun to watch.

R14 I agree. Sadly I think this is the case for many people. They have regrets but can't say anything in fear of being ostracized. They'll basically be bullied by the trans community. The thing is, for many of these kids it's already too late. There is no going back, they have already butchered the bodies. This is why I want transitioning before adulthood illegal. I don't care what they do to their bodies as adults, but children are not old enough to make a big decision like that, they can ruin their bodies forever. It's child abuse.

I think those are implants R15. I don't think anyone knows what would happen if Jazz stopped the puberty blockers and estrogen. This is the first generation of trans kids.

I remember seeing a story about East German female atheletes. They had all been given male hormones without there knowledge. They all had a lot of health issues. One decided to transition to male. It wasn't that she had felt like a boy since childhood. It was that she had become so masculinized that it was just easier to live as man than be this weird looking, deformed, infertile woman. I think she'd gotten more hormones than the others and her doctors didn't try and balance it with birth control pills like the other women atheletes.

[Quote]So if they took him off whatever hormone blockers he's on and gave him testosterone and hgh could he grow a normal sized dick & balls? Would his voice drop? Is there a order in which he can be 'chemically reintegrated as male' so that he'd go through normal male puberty?

Most likely not. Artificially inducing puberty- just like artificially blocking it- is not something the human body is meant to do. At best he could gain some muscle, grow some body hair, and possible lose some weight, but his dick and balls are set. He won’t get any taller. He’s also totally sterile.

R20 would they have to induce puberty? Could taking her off the blockers and female hormones allow puberty to occur naturally? Does taking these drugs permanently dry up the balls and kill sperm/ testosterone production? I know some short girls were given a puberty blocker so they would delay puberty and get a few more inches before the post puberty growth stoppage. I thought those girls just stopped taking it and puberty started. I know some of them have brittle bones in their twenties. I can't remember the name of the drug.

[quote]Jazz is smoking weed these days which she needs to stop, it dulls the anger she'll need to break free

I'm sure it's not helping with the weight issues that are delaying the surgery either. But maybe that's intentional on a subconscious level.

You're probably right r14. Jazz seems very anxious, unhappy and the show has made no secret of depression issues. The mother also seems to be pushing for the surgery ASAP because she doesn't think Jazz is mature enough to follow the dilation routine while away at from home at college but I'm not sure Jazz is so sure.

I have to say the doctors do seem to be doing their jobs insisting on more counselling to make sure Jazz is really ready for this step which seems doubtful to me. I'm not there's anyone Jazz could sue though r10 except for maybe her mother for allowing her to put on puberty blockers and hormones that sterilized Jazz before she was old enough to understand the long term implications.

R22 Jazz might be able to sue the doctors who gave her the medications. Just because mom was demanding it doesn't mean the doctors had to give it to her. I can't just demand morphine from my doctor. They are supposed to prescribe what is needed and helpful.

[quote]I have to say the doctors do seem to be doing their jobs

The doctors are NOT doing their jobs. They are involved in cruel malpractice and child abuse.

He was a minor, he was not able to understand it all or give consent. That is why the minor category exists.

Why aren't the cute twin brothers posing nude for us to enjoy?

R15 "60 Minutes Australia" did a segment last year on teen boy who detransitioned.

At 12, the boy had socially transitioned to a girl. He started taking puberty blockers.

At 13, the boy was upset about getting too tall to pass convincingly as a girl. Legally, he couldn't start taking female hormones until he was older.

To get around age rules, the boy's doctor arranged for the boy's mother to receive a prescription for female hormones so she could then secretly give it to her son. This arrangement protected the doctor from legal liability. At worst, if it was discovered, the mother would take full responsibility and apparently there is no legal consequence for a parent who does this sort of thing. The doctor still monitored the boy and was happy that scans eventually showed that the boys bones had fused.

The 60 minutes show only hints at this illegal arrangement but doesn't focus on it. I think they just wanted to tell the boy's story to see if there were similar tales out there. Maybe they will do a follow-up if others come forward.

Anyway, at 14, the boy realized he wasn't a girl and detransitioned. So he was left with fused bones, a feminized appearance and female breasts. The first 2 things can't be fixed apparently. Australia refused to do breast surgery on someone his age so he needed to go to Asia to have his breast reduction surgery. They did not mention the state of his genitals but I would imagine he had some permanent damage but hopefully not as bad as Jazz.

Poor Jazz. This is heartbreaking. Anyone could see it coming, though.

Jazz's surgery is apparently scheduled for June 20th. Publicizing the date put's a lot of unnecessary pressure on Jazz.

I always assumed they would just start the next season with the news that Jazz already had the surgery.

^puts

[quote]I can't remember the name of the drug.

Lupron.

[quote]Does taking these drugs permanently dry up the balls and kill sperm/ testosterone production.

He is sterile. He cannot produce sperm/semen nor will he ever be able.

What surgery is he going to have? I thought they messed it up so he couldn't have either.

Yeah, isn't his dick too small to make a frankengina that can be fucked?

R32 Jazz wanted a specific type of genital surgery which it turned out isn't an option because Jazz started taking drugs so young and as a result developed a micropenis.

That didn't mean that Jazz couldn't have any type of surgery. There were other less desirable options still available. Like ones using the colon and the stomach lining I think.

As a result of developing a micropenis, Jazz has less genital material to work with to create a faux vagina. Therefore, other materials are needed. Like using the colon and such.

These surgical techniques are much newer and are being developed in response to kids like Jazz who are just now hitting the age where they want surgery. Kids like Jazz can't have the traditional surgery.

How much money did Jazz & his parents get to perform in this carnival act?

A ton, Im sure.

Zero fucks given now.

Kids aren't supposed to be in this situation. Child abuse and malpractice. A media that exploits it all.

The father is a lawyer. The grandfather is a doctor. The mother's cousin is a LGBT counselor. I'd really like to know who employs the father.

Omg this is an awful story.

There was a news report not long ago about how researchers did a study on twins and triplets who were put up for adoption by a particular adoption agency.

The twins and triplets were all purposely separated just so researchers could do a study on them. The adoptive parents weren't told their baby was a twin/triplet. They were just told their baby was part of an infant study and if they wanted to adopt the baby they needed to agree with having the baby continue to be part of the study.

I think this trans child subject is the same thing. Also, like the way they used to do experiments on AAs. Totally unethical but done by researchers who either deep down don't care or have convinced themselves they are doing the right thing. In addition, many of these parents and researchers wrongly think of themselves as educated, progressive, liberal thinkers. But underneath it all they actually have biases against non-gender conforming and potentially LGB children. Our society also has this bias so it doesn't question what is being done. There is also a greed about what other possible advances might come out of this research.

There is a not-so-secret desire to cure LGB in the future and that is what the trans designation is all about. The trans designation allows LBG be okay "for now" since there is no cure right now. The trans label is important because it allows researchers to openly experiment on mostly LGB kids that are being relabeled "non-gender conforming". You can bet if researchers find a cure for the T someday that their will be a societal reevaluation of the LGB and the cure will be pushed on them as well.

I think that is why there is such a heavy push to make LBG think they belong in the same grouping at the T. This way, when the "cure" become available for the T it will be easier to push on the LGB if they see their condition as related to the T.

To know death, r34, you have to fuck life in the gall bladder!

I disagree the doctors are serving Jazz well. The one in SF -- despite the fact Jazz was overweight and hadn't gone to counseling -- went ahead and scheduled an OR date for NY.

The doc in NY is a surgeon that seemed to be excited about challenging surgery.

The counselors should be seeing the abundant red flags (Jazz doesn't want to go to counseling/discuss issues; binge eating and gaining weight; talking about a previous life where he is ostracized for being gay) but they seem to be pushing it through.

The parents acknowledge Jazz's depression, immaturity, and difficulty socially at school -- to the point Jazz no longer has to attend -- yet see no problem with major surgery while still a teen.

When I was growing up, kids had difficulty getting nose jobs because docs wanted to wait for the physical changes, and also to make sure it wasn't a confidence problem.

It's very sad.

Almost 50 posts and no one has brought up the issue of "regression" and a former life as a closeted gay man who died alone and never got to live the life that he wanted?

Not much subtext there, eh?

Our culture deep down doesn't accept LGB or it at least wants to offer people a way out of LGB. The trans label was born out of this discomfort.

The trans label puts forth the idea that it would be best if these (mostly LGB) children could somehow be cured medically. This thinking paved the way for it being socially acceptable to openly experiment on (mostly LGB) children. How else could experimenting on perfectly HEALTHY children be justified?

The medical community isn't forcing every LGB kid to participate in these studies. Instead, researchers attract volunteers via parents who are deeply unhappy with the idea of having a LGB kid. The creation of the trans label gives these parents cover. They can tell themselves their kid is trans rather than have to admit they are homophobic against their own children.

All the trans laws regarding bathrooms and locker rooms are in a sense temporary. They are only necessary until a T cure becomes available. They encourage more people to embrace the T label and potentially volunteer to become subjects of ongoing trans medical research.

The military's quick embrace of trans people was the tip-off that there is a much greater goal in mind than just addressing the needs of relatively rare trans people.

R44 there had been another thread where that was discussed so people did note it. Since the surgery is planned, I guess it doesn't matter.

The show only sees it as an interesting plot point to create some drama.

[html removed]The military's quick embrace of trans people was the tip-off that there is a much greater goal in mind than just addressing the needs of relatively rare trans people.

Good point. Never thought of that.

Why should I know or care who this person is?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Hilarious.

R48, because he is the most visible and well-known trans child and is at the forefront of the whole trans movement?

And if you have a brain, you know that trans is virulently anti-LGB and therefore antithetical to the people on DL and their friends and family.

Wow.

It’s obvious from outer space that Jazz is a gay male born into a family so homophobic family that feels he must endure unnecessary surgeries & medicine in order to be accepted.

Fucking sad.

There is one taboo subject that I have yet to see the show address and that is Jazz's ability to pass as female.

Jazz once easily passed as female when younger but now no longer does. Yet, years ago the mom said the reason for Jazz starting the female hormones so early was because it was supposed to make it possible for Jazz to easily pass as a girl. The hormones are the same reason Jazz has a micropenis now and can't have the desired genital surgery. So what was the whole point then of starting the drugs so early?

Maybe this will make researchers rethink what they are doing.

So, what's the difference between what they're doing to Jazz and Münchhausen's by Proxy?

R52, I would be interested to see his sister (she's the smart one who stays off camera). Not every woman is completely hairless and sometimes will have a strong jaw. Does she have facial hair and look like Jazz?

But it's amazing, isn't it? Even with lifelong hormones, Jazz's body is fighting.

R52, yep--a front-on, posed shot is one thing, but that paparazzi pix of Jazz buying weed--and you see masculine legs and a masculine forehead and nose.

You can only do so much--you can't change a skeleton.

New to thread, just read OP... Oh dear...

R52 That's always been the argument for early transition. It wasn't just the mother's argument. Trans advocates push this idea that early transition makes you more passable. That kid who threw himself in front of a truck, said he did it because his parents wouldn't let him transition before he turned 18 and therefore no man would ever love him/her. It's interesting to see that it doesn't really work that well. I've met some MtFs and regular cross dressers who did pass without all this shit or any facial surgery.I've also met one who's had a ton of procedures and still looks like a dude.I think some people are just naturally more androgenous looking, so it's easy for them to use grooming to look like either sex.

Here’s a shot of Jazz, his mom, sister, and grandmother? His sister has the same olive skin and dark hair, but even then her face and features are smaller and more delicate. Notice the women in the family have that narrow, pointed jawline while Jazz’s is low and broad. Jazz is the spit of his older brothers.

Hmmm...a "trans girl" has "regression therapy" and instantly starts talking about being a gay man no one will accept.

That's not blatantly obvious at all.

Excellent posts, R40, R41 and R45! And other posters, too.

There are many aspects that are disturbing to this push, but the silence of the reporters as the parents say something obviously sexist or homophobic, which must only be cured by the extreme barbarism of "trans."

Remember the father who "always" knew his girl "was a boy" because she was a "leader in games" when kids would play together. And another saying her girl was trans because she didn't want to play with a doll and the church was accepting her more as trans the way they wouldn't be with a homosexual. And the reporters are SILENT about these obvious sexist/homophobic clunkers and the tone is cheerful, celebratory. It's awful. This is Nazi stuff.

R59, does he identify with the unloved gay man, or is it about how gay men are doomed to be unloved (unlike trans)?

[quote] Jazz once easily passed as female when younger but now no longer does. Yet, years ago the mom said the reason for Jazz starting the female hormones so early was because it was supposed to make it possible for Jazz to easily pass as a girl. The hormones are the same reason Jazz has a micropenis now and can't have the desired genital surgery. So what was the whole point then of starting the drugs so early?

Eh, I think she passes better than most trans women and probably much better than she would have without the early hormone intervention. But honestly, IMO, the passing this is the elephant in the room for transgender people in general. I can respect a trans woman's self-identification and support her right to lives as she chooses, but that doesn't mean I'm really going to read her as a woman in the privacy of my own heart and mind. To me, that's the biggest problem with the whole "you're transphobic if you don't want to date trans people" argument. (Well, besides the fact we all have the right to say no to anyone for any reason!) I am attracted to women and while I'd never presume to tell a trans woman she's NOT a woman, there's just nothing she can do that's going to make me respond to her emotionally or sexually the way I respond to biological women (and that's regardless of what's between her legs).

My best friend in high school hated the idea of being gay so much that she decided to transition. Thank God she never actually went through with it, just bought a binder and packer.

At first we all just kind of went with it but she just started getting more depressed and she didn't take the testosterone they gave her. These doctors want to be seen as progressive and amazing that they will just do whatever a patient wants, it's ridiculous.

We all know that she was just a repressed lesbian. Apparently she's "straight" now, we'll see how long that lasts. And now at least she's figured out she doesn't want to be a man. It's heartbreaking that these kids have parents who think that they can make these crazy decisions at such a young age.

(That being said I do believe that some adults really are trans, and are ok to transition, but also they need to butt out of the lgb community, imho)

R15 R18. No, a high intake of sugar make the boobs bigger. You can tell who guzzles large amounts of booze or sodas a mile away.

R60, don't forget Laverne Cox, who openly admitted that his religious grandmother was critical of his teenage gayness. But now that he's "really a woman", grandma can accept him again! 🙄

R45's post is the best I have read to date in summing up why we are all so wary about, and yes, even against the whole trans movement.

Whenever someone in another thread speaks about the "anti-trans loons" on DL, I will recommend that they read R45 before spouting off about how crazy we are. And I have to agree with R62 that Jazz has a better shot at "passing" than most of his fellow MTF; especially considering that he has had no facial feminization surgery(as yet.) That doesn't mean that he looks completely like a biological woman, but he isn't as obviously male as most MTFs.

I see him in 15 years suing the doctors just like those intersexed adults who were assigned a sex by Johns Hopkins docs back in the 60s(I think that was the era.) I see him completely estranged from his parents.

[quote] When asked by the therapist if Cal had any insight into Jennings’ present-day struggles, the reality star couldn’t keep herself from breaking down into tears. “She’s still hungry to be accepted” said Jennings, choking back a sob.

SHE? Wow, that's pretty damn offensive for Jazz to refer to a (fictional) gay man as "she". Considering how long and how loudly trannies scream about their pronouns, you'd think he'd know better.

One of her brothers is FIRE.

[quote] while I'd never presume to tell a trans woman she's NOT a woman

Really? So you'll go along with anything someone says?

Ok, then: I hereby declare myself the Empress of Earth. You are all my subjects and must bow down to me when I enter the room. Also, you must give me any and all of your money and possession that I demand.

Ridiculous, isn't it? But how is it different from "feeling like", and demanding to be called, a different sex?

The entire "trans" agenda is complete nonsense. "Jazz Jennings" is not, never has been nor ever will be a female, but rather is and always will be a male who has been medically mutilated to present as a female. The rest is fantasy and whim fueled by lots of money and agenda and promoted by the media and medical/mental health professionals.

[quote]just like those intersexed adults who were assigned a sex by Johns Hopkins docs back in the 60s (I think that was the era.)

Are you talking about that quack John Money, and how he destroyed the lives of David and Brian Reimer?

If so, they weren't intersexed adults, they were twin baby boys, one of whom had his penis literally burned to a crisp in a horrifying circumcision accident at 8 months old. One of the doctors his frantic parents consulted with was John Money, who convinced them the best thing to do was to begin raising the damaged boy as a girl. Spoiler: it didn't go well.

R71 That does ring a bell. Perhaps I have scrambled my memories. But I truly did believe that some of the work Johns Hopkins did with intersexed children had gotten them in a bit of trouble, and that because of it they no longer will do any genital altering surgery...including trans work on an adult.

What has been allowed to happen to this boy is outrageous, more so because it’s being done to public applause. How fucked is society that physically and mentally harming a child is entertainment?

(And the grandma on the right at r58 is how I imagine many DL habitués to look)

That grandmother is horrifying to look at, R73.

R72 I remember reading somewhere that Johns Hopkins no longer carry out reassignment surgery because it doesn’t have good outcomes. The patients remained unhappy and depressed even after surgery. Surgical intervention doesn’t fix mental health issues, who could’ve guessed?

Jazz Jennings: Just another day in the downfall of America.

There was the infamous Money twin case, but there's also a history of babies born intersex with genitalia that seemed "wrong-sized" to the doctors and these kids had their genitalia reduced to make them look more feminine--losing a big chunk of sensitivity as a result. True hermaphrodites have ovotestes--and those are often removed as well--I've read it's because of concern about cancer, but I'm not sure if that's actually the case.

You don't hear a lot from intersex people even though they get dragged into the LGBTQIA alphabet soup--mostly because their push has been to be left alone medically. In some ways, they're on the opposite end of trans activists.

[quote]a history of babies born intersex with genitalia that seemed "wrong-sized" to the doctors and these kids had their genitalia reduced to make them look more feminine--losing a big chunk of sensitivity as a result.

Oh yeah, I've heard about that. I remember one woman saying that her parents were told that her clitoris was too long, and that the doctor was going to sort of pull it back in to make it normal-sized: instead, the lying bastard just sliced off the tip of her clit, removed a chunk after that, then sewed the tip back on. As a result, she only has sensation on an area no bigger than the tip of a pin! >:(

And here she is in this life again, refusing to live the life as a gay man.

The next life it will be the same thing and the same. Until she accepts herself for who she is

A Gay Man

I got a couple a thousand of these things still on the shelf.

What am I gonna do!?!

[quote]SHE? Wow, that's pretty damn offensive for Jazz to refer to a (fictional) gay man as "she".

She is referring to herself, she's the gay man. It's a cry for help. That her parents will pretend not to hear.

Everything is drama to that entitled spoiled kid. I hate that intro: “I was assigned male at birth.” Fuck that bullshit. I assign my middle finger. The boy enjoys spending his fathers money. If it was on his dime, he’d have stayed a boy.

The creature is fucked up mentally and physically. Everything will be someone else’s fault some day. The parents will divorce, the kid and the mother will probably off themselves. There’ll be a movie of the week.

Common sense has gone out the window. Do people not recognize child abuse when they see it? Parents with serious mental issues? Munchausen Syndrome appears to be at work here. Do the parents despise gays so much that they would rather their child be labled trans than gay. Is this how these creeps ake their living? Off the back of this creature they were allowed to create? This boy can no llnger be dressed as a cute little girl, his male looks are showing now. These parents belong in jail. The doctors should lose their license.

R82 wins the DL Bitch of the Day sash, which as regulars know is crafted in a rich merlot shade of polysateen.

[quote]Do the parents despise gays so much that they would rather their child be labled trans than gay

You are barking up the wrong fish. They would rather their child be labelled as special and fashionable. Gay got old.

Has Jazz ever expressed opinions specifically about gays/lesbians (not "the alphabetalphabetQ+ community")? Has his mother?

R86 I know Jazz has defended his mother on multiple occasions when people have called her out on being abusive parent. So, if the mother is crazy she sure as hell has brainwashed Jazz to be her ally. Also, he keeps saying that without his parents he'd be depressed and upset and whatnot, but he seems to be pretty miserable at all times. Go figure.

[quote]Has Jazz ever expressed opinions specifically about gays/lesbians (not "the alphabetalphabetQ+ community")? Well? Has his mother? WELL?

Fixed that for ya. Please remember where you are, and follow the established protocol.

Can we focus on the important things? Which brother has the biggest cock?

The brothers are going bald already. Will Jazz go bald early, too?

Wow, never thought of that, R90. Do female hormones stop male patterned baldness?

I think many of you are being too hard on the parents of trans kids. On the video up-thread the mom of the boy who de-transitioned really seems to want to do the right thing for her son. But she was tortured in trying to figure out what that was. She was scared to death because the kid was threatening suicide every day if he couldn't become a girl. She was supportive of him in transitioning, but equally supportive when he told her he wanted to transition back. She didn't seem to be an attention whore at all--just a good mom who wants her kid to be happy and healthy. Like most parents.

[quote]Do female hormones stop male patterned baldness?

Nope.

[quote]I think many of you are being too hard on the parents of trans kids.

I can understand how stressful it must be for parents with a child threatening suicide if they don’t get there way. Kids do this over a lot of things. But ultimately they are ignoring the underlying cause- mental illness- to slap the trans band aid on top of the problem. A solution that will have far more devastating effects on their kid’s health overthe long term.

I have ZERO sympathy for the Jennings/Bloshinski clan as these asshole put their kid on tv and then, when the kid began experiencing some severe mental health issues- depression- and complained about a lack of friends and being ostracized at school, they didn’t do the adult thing and pull the fucking plug in their show.

The testosterone blockers and female hormones will probably help with the baldness. Pattern baldness is caused by how a persons body responds to testosterone, some people convert testosterone into DHT which causes shedding and some people don't and have nice thick hair. Genes determine which you will be. Women with female pattern baldness are treated with androgen blockers and birth control pills. That doesn't work 100% of the time and doesn't bring all the hair back. Balding is caused by a number of genes and environmental factors. Jazz can also take propecia unlike most teen girls because their is zero risk of pregnancy and birth defects. So she probably won't lose as much hair or lose it as early.

I think there is such a big surge in trans propaganda among fundies because it’s bad to have a gay son but claiming he’s trans turns it into a medical issue that needs to be fixed : if your son craves cock he must be a girl so lop off that penis and give him some pearls and a pink dress.

This HRC event occurred in February of this year.

[quote]if they don’t get there way.

One more time for illiterate moron R93 T H E I R

[quote]But ultimately they are ignoring the underlying cause- mental illness- to slap the trans band aid on top of the problem.

I agree r93 and what's particularly disturbing is that Jazz has lived and been socialized as a girl since age 3 in an accepting and supportive family, with supportive doctors and accepting doctors and plenty of outside validation and support from the GLBT community.

Given all of that you wouldn't really expect to see the level of depression, anxiety and frustration Jazz is exhibiting. She's resisted going through the required counselling and only did because it was the only way for her to get her letters clearing her for the surgery. The binge eating even though she knows weight loss is another requirement for the surgery is another red flag.

Jazz and her mother, the mother in particular, both seem to want to rush this through as quickly as possible believing it will solve all the other underlying problems but it doesn't work that way.

I'm skeptical of regression hypnotherapy but it seem Jazz would be a very suggestible subject to the extent it works and it sure seems to have covered some deep seated anxieties and unhappiness here.

The rate of personality disorder in the trans population is very high, and that is one of the reasons that the suicide rate for them is so high.

Jazz sees the writing on the wall - no straight boy will want to date him/her. He/she is not physically attracted to females and trying to pretend that he/she is has been hard on her. She realizes that very few people are attracted to trans, and that most trans seem happiest when partnered with another trans person. She is seeing how much an outlier she has become. The special unicorn world that trans activists believe they can create is a house of cards.

Very sad for this child. Hope they keep close tabs on him/her in terms of treating depression/personality disorder.

Reporter: Your son was born a girl. At what point in his life did he demonstrate that he wasn't comfortable being a girl?

"Mother of 'trans' child" :Since three [years old]. He started showing me that he did not want to wear skirts, period. I had to give away a lot of beautiful dresses we had bought, with the tag on. One time, we were at Toys "R" Us, and I was trying to buy him dolls, so I picked one doll, and he put it away. And then he wandered around, and he ended up in the cars and trucks section, and he picked up a truck he liked.

Reporter: You're a Christian. Your son is a Christian. Did you face some prejudice from the church [because of his choice to identify as a boy]?

"Mother of 'trans' child": You'll be surprised if I told you...they accept us as human beings. They still disapprove of homosexuality, but they have a full understanding of my son's situation, and they try their best to accept us.

One of my Christian friends even called me, saying, "I heard the news! I'm calling you to let you know you have to support your child."

I told her, "You just made me very very happy."

[All you need to know about "trans kids" is right here: the rigid homophobic and sexist views, the reporter saying nothing about these views being expressed, and the positive tone of the article]

Jazz Jennings and his family are Jewish - Reform Judaism. There is no homophobic aspects to Reform Judaism - it is an affirmative and embracing type of Judaism. There is a Reform Passover Haggadah (prayer book) in which G-d is referred to as female.

Remember Toddlers and Tiaras? Everyone said how ignorant the parents were, living through their children? Why aren't they saying this about "Jazz"s parents? What they are doing to him is worse than being a beauty pagent. And they seem clueless about having their kid on TV at a vulnerable time talking about the most private things? Why? And if the father is a lawyer, why isn't it obvious that this is harm being done to a minor who cannot truly consent?

I think what R45 said is key: "Our culture deep down doesn't accept LGB." That's it.

It's another time where the Psych field shows how sexist and homophobic they are. I think everyone thought this was over by the 80s. Not true. That they could be so blind to this , and actually encourage it is incredible. They exhibit no understanding of basic ideas re homosexuality, androgyny, or rejecting sexist thinking, apparently.

Any person talking about suicide should be counseled for anxiety, depression, OCD - not put on drugs/hormones/have body parts cut off and told they are the opposite sex. This is beyond the ignorance of 1950s lobotomies or shock treatment.

Look at R96 - that really shows the elimination of pro-gay/lesbian content/ideas:

Two trans (one an abused child), someone who appears to be of an anti-gay religion, a gay clown, and a straight person with a "foundation" that "supports transgender students"

[quote]The creature is fucked up mentally and physically. Everything will be someone else’s fault some day. The parents will divorce, the kid and the mother will probably off themselves.

Actually, I think Jazz will kill Mommy Dearest and then himself, in a few years when he realises that he could have been a healthy, happy gay boy instead of a monstrous asexual freak with a micropenis.

I feel really bad for Jazz, and confused kids with dysphoria in general.

R103 You misunderstood my comment. One of the reasons that J Hopkins stopped doing trans surgery was that the suicide rate WAS HIGHER post surgery. So pre-op, there is a higher than normal suicide rate, and POST-OP that suicide rate increases further, in some studies up to 10 X.

The medical treatment/surgical model for treating gender dysphoria has not served the trans community well. A model based on psychological and psychiatric treatment would be much better.

Omg a typo! Do fuck off r97.

[quote]There is no homophobic aspects to Reform Judaism - it is an affirmative and embracing type of Judaism.

And that means what exactly? That its practitioners can’t be homophobic?

Christ on a Cracker, r97 How empty and void of meaning must your life be that you prance around pointing out grammatical errors an an anonymous blog?

Go fuck yourself as it's quite obvious nobody is going to ever plow you, you pathetic waste of oxygen, you :(

R109 Are you daft?

Reform Judaism has a long and proud history of working for the full inclusion of LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender) people in Jewish life and for their full civil rights. As early as 1965, the Women of Reform Judaism called for the decriminalization of homosexuality. Resolutions by the Union for Reform Judaism and the Central Conference of American Rabbis followed. The social justice arm of the Reform Movement, the Religious Action Center, (RAC) has been at the forefront of the fight for LGBT equality.

[quote]R109 Are you daft?

Nope. Are you? None of that proves his parents as individuals aren’t homophobic. I know pro-choice Catholics too.

[quote]Given all of that you wouldn't really expect to see the level of depression, anxiety and frustration Jazz is exhibiting.

Yes, but lots of teens who have no gender issues nonetheless struggle with anxiety and depression, so I think it's impossible to say to what extent Jazz's mental health issues are related to being transgender. I do think her family is doing her an enormous disservice by airing all her business on TV. As somebody else stated upthread, they should have pulled the plug on the show (if they ever had to do the stupid show at all) as soon as it became evident that Jazz was becoming a troubled teen. And I cannot imagine why on Earth they have allowed her vaginoplasty "journey" to become a focus of the show. Sooner or later, Jazz is going to regret being that person who went on TV and endlessly blabbed every detail there is to know about her current and future genitalia. Good lord.

All that said, I do not think her parents are homophobes who didn't want to deal with a gay son, thus pushed Jazz to transition. They may be attention whores and they've clearly made some poor decisions about how to handle Jazz's transition—but I believe that the idea that Jazz is a girl came from Jazz herself, and that her parents truly believed they were doing what was best for their kid in allowing her to live as a girl. The mother has even talked about assuming toddler Jazz was going to grow up gay and feeling sort of pleased and excited about that possibility, then having to mourn the loss of her son when she realized he wasn't really a son.

R96 There is nothing "homosexual" in that picture

r110, die in a grease fire! You're too stupid to post here.

R112 A MAJORITY (not "some") Catholics in the US are pro choice.

Italy, home to the Vatican, has one of the most liberal abortion law on the books in the world.

If you are homophobic, you would not want to practice Reform Judaism as you would have to accept gay and lesbian rabbis and congregants, who are out and proud.

[quote] All that said, I do not think her parents are homophobes who didn't want to deal with a gay son, thus pushed Jazz to transition. They may be attention whores and they've clearly made some poor decisions about how to handle Jazz's transition—but [bold]I believe that the idea that Jazz is a girl came from Jazz herself[/bold], and that her parents truly believed they were doing what was best for their kid in allowing her to live as a girl. The mother has even talked about assuming toddler Jazz was going to grow up gay and feeling sort of pleased and excited about that possibility, then having to mourn the loss of her son when she realized he wasn't really a son.

Dude, are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, a fucking THREE-YEAR-OLD decided that he was "really a girl" because he liked dresses and Barbies. Fuck you, you idiot!

I was a tomboy as a child, and am still a tomboy, quite frankly. I absolutely loathed Barbies and other dolls, preferring stuffed animals, Lego, and Tinkertoys. I also hated wearing skirts and dressy sandals; I finally put my foot down at around age 5, after which I was allowed to dress just like a normal child in pants, t-shirts, and running shoes. I also loathed anything pink and still do, preferring blue and black.

But ya know what? That still doesn't make me "really a boy inside", and such a thing would have never occurred to me as a child (or even an adult, until all this SJW tranny nonsense started) because it's a ridiculous fiction! And it never occurred to my parents, either, because... why, again? It's a LIE, a FICTION, a socially-contagious TRANNY FAIRY TALE caused by mental illness and homophobia.

Jazz Jennings isn't a girl. He's a boy, a male, an XY human. To pretend otherwise is offensive to all intelligent human beings (which you clearly are not).

There’s an old video of Jazz, early 2000’s dateline or 20/20, where she turns to her mom and says ‘would you love me if I went back to being a boy?’. The mom brushed it off. Always struck me as odd that the producers included that bit in their piece. What a strange situation. What a strange mother. I wonder how mom parents the ‘other’ daughter, especially w/r/t real-deal female issues.... will post vid of I can did it.

R11 here. I’m trippin. That was another trans kid. I wonder what happened to them.

Weird convo starts @ the 16 minute mark.

* meant to say R118. Ignore my tag, R11, you sexy thing!

I don't think most of the parents of trans kids are fundies. A lot of fundies are just as anti trans as they are anti gay. I think a lot of them just hear about trans kids and then when their kids shows "symptoms" they latch on to it, with the encouragement of some medical professionals. I think Jazzes mom has her identity tied up in being the heroic mother of the trans kid. At this point they can't turn back. She would have to admit that she made the wrong call. It would be devastating for most parents to realize the they'd damaged their kids that much while trying to help them.

R121 I agree that it seems like most of the parents of trans kids AREN'T fundies. At least the ones which the media chooses to profile. Many seem liberal. But that doesn't mean they don't have a bias against GLB. Just because they are supportive of friends or other family members that are GLB doesn't mean that is what they want for their own kid. For many, their kids are a reflection of themselves and are held to a different standard.

I think these medical researchers are playing to the many times unacknowledged bias that these parents have against GLB. When the parents embrace the trans label they are shielded from accusations of being anti-GLB. They are also being offered a way out of GLB for their kids.

r121 is right, the early episodes of the show had Jeanette going for walks with her friends and crying about the latest transphobia Jazz was facing. Jeanette loved it, she loves her kid getting bullied and hated because it gives her a reason to cry and seem martyr-like. Seriously, go back and watch, every old ep has the walking and crying thing on it.

Parents of trans kids are the stage moms of our day.

I agree R122 that the parents have fears about their kids being gay. They think life will be easier if they are straight. They are also being assured by doctors and parts of the media that with early transitioning their kids will be able to live almost normal lives. They are also being told that if your toddler says they want to be the other sex you have to affirm it. If you suggest that your self proclaimed trans teen should get therapy and learn to accept themselves as they are is the equivalent of gay conversion therapy.

R121=R125

Some are the parents are fundies, some are not. All are sexist and homophobic, though. Why else would embrace the trans sales pitch so quickly? If you had a kid, wouldn't the normal impulse to explore all other options before physical harm to your kid? It's homophobia, sexism, and doing the thing that is so popular on media, internet and TV that everyone says is so great!

"Trans" got pushed so long through the "left" in the UK, now the Conservative (right-wing) party in the UK is bringing in pro-trans (i.e. anti-gay, women, children) laws.

Whatever happened to the days when people were trying to bust gender stereotypes? Girls didn't have to like pink, wear dresses, or like specifically "girly" things and no one thought anything of it aside from thinking that the child was possibly a tomboy. Now, girls who like "male" things are transboys, and boys who like pink or who have gentle personalities are transgirls? How archaic if you ask me.

My straight brother should have been transed, I suppose, because he is one of the softest, kindest and most gentle people I know and willingly played house, with dolls and even Barbies with our older sister, (who, at times enjoyed so-called boys activities herself). Not once did my parents declare that he should have been born a girl, and that thought never entered his mind either.

Let kids be kids for Christ's sake.

Why thank-you R84. Bats eyes and sashays off, stage left.

Oh Piss Off r115 Though you'd make the perfect test subject for retroactive abortion, you sorry excuse for a human being.

[quote] Dude, are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, a fucking THREE-YEAR-OLD decided that he was "really a girl" because he liked dresses and Barbies. Fuck you, you idiot!

Dude, you sound like you're gunning for a "serious anger issues" red tag. Calm down. Who knows what makes a three-year-old boy announce that he's really a girl, or vice versa? You're the one suggesting it has something to do with dresses and Barbies, which may not be at all what's in the kid's little mind. It's a fact, however, that for whatever reason, some toddlers—including Jazz—do make such pronouncements.

Of course that doesn't mean that parents need to take their three-year-old's thoughts about gender seriously or rush into deciding that the child is trans. (Hell, there are also three year olds who announce they're going to grow up to be dogs, and I don't know of anyone whose life was ruined because his parents dismissed the notion that he was trans species.) Personally, if had a little kid like Jazz was, I think I'd probably go with allowing the kid the clothes, toys, etc. of his choice but save any big decisions about official gender switching til he was much older. My only point was that, yes, the idea that Jazz was really a girl originated with Jazz him/herself. Whether her parents responded appropriately is up for debate.

[quote] I was a tomboy as a child, and am still a tomboy, quite frankly. I absolutely loathed Barbies and other dolls, preferring stuffed animals, Lego, and Tinkertoys. I also hated wearing skirts and dressy sandals; I finally put my foot down at around age 5, after which I was allowed to dress just like a normal child in pants, t-shirts, and running shoes. I also loathed anything pink and still do, preferring blue and black.

Well, goody for you. I (a woman) was/am very much like you myself. Always thoughts boys' toys and clothes were preferable to girls'; never felt that actually made me a boy. Not sure why that would indicate that EVERY other gender-nonconforming child's experience is exactly the same, however. I do think some parents rush to jump on the trans bandwagon too quickly these days when simply supporting the idea that it's okay for boys to like pink, sparkly things etc., might be a better approach, but that doesn't mean that genuinely transgender people don't exist. Cases of people who declared themselves transsexual or before that, simply lived secretly as the opposite gender go back to probably the beginning of humanity; not every trans person is caught up in some modern-day fad.

[quote] Jazz Jennings isn't a girl. He's a boy, a male, an XY human.

Well, no shit, he's biologically male and always will be, and yes, it's absurd when trans people try to deny that their biological sex is immutable; not arguing with you there.

R125 How could any parent possibly think that living as a mutilated and hormone pumped freak, could be easier than being a happy and healthy gay or lez?

So many of you are arguing that the desire to be trans really stems from the need to be accepted as a gay _____ (fill in the blank with whatever gender they were born), and that society is to blame for supporting it?

But in most cases, the family argues against the transition. It’s the trans person themselves that advocates for the surgeries, the hormones, etc. Most people today are trying to be accepting of trans because we are listening to them amd taking it at face value. If they’re all just fucked up closet cases than thats their problem, not societies. Are we dupposed to just dismiss them and not take them seriously when they’re killing themselves over it?!

[quote]But in most cases, the family argues against the transition.

Wanna back that up with facts r133?

The suicidal ideation needs to be treated separately from the gender dysphoria or internalized homophobia or whateverthefuck.

Her twin brothers are handsome.

What in the fuck is wrong with this person's parents? Someone ought to beat the living shit out of the two of them for what they have done to their child

Science can't fight natural order. Jazz looks like a dude, and always will. Even having her jaw shaved, along with other cosmetic surgeries, would not make her look like a woman. She will never get a cis male as a partner. Her only chance is to try to snag a trans man.

R134 it would be hard to argue otherwise. Its getting better and families are becoming more supportive, but spanning the last few decades its clear that many families were against it (many kicking their trans kids out of the house).

Transing your kid is not a situation where things are "getting better." It's child abuse that comes from homophobia, sexism and some twisted desire to get attention from their kid.

Jazz is going to end up killing herself/himself and it's all her/his parent's fault

[quote]it would be hard to argue otherwise.

Again, can you back this up with anything other than anecdotes and opinion?

The whole argument for transing tends to come down to--your child will kill him/herself if you don't. However, the suicide risk doesn't drop after transition. Trans activists then blame that unhappy stat on transphobia. What it says to me is that transitioning should be approached with caution. It's not a cure for body dysmorphia any more than a diet is a cure for anorexia.

4th Wave Now has featured some interesting posts by girls who have detransitioned--and, yes, they do seem to be young lesbians who had issues with their bodies and orientation--being a "boy" was seen as some sort of escape.

There's a tremendous amount of trans propaganda that's pushed and an ongoing attempt to squash attempts to counter it. When you're dealing with minors, there's a lot of magical thinking. Putting physically healthy humans through serious surgergy and a lifetime of strong drugs should be a rare occurrence and it shouldn't be done to minors. The risks of puberty blockers should also be made clearer.

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So, did Jazz go through with it?

No t knowing their local laws. Is it fair assumption it’s being done now, while it’s still on daddy’s healthcare bills?

I can’t see that selfish entitled boy ever saying: I’ll use my own money from the show. Or for that matter, ever stepping up in the future when someone in the family needs help/support.

I thought Obamacare allows young adults to stay on their parent's plan till they are 26 if they are going to school full-time.

Yes R145, Jazz apparently had a full sex change operation, which is crazy since she/he did not even live life without hormones, surgery, living as a boy/teenager, etc.

I know people who are Trans, and they did wind up transitioning but for decades they lived life as men, were sexually active with women and men, had relationships/dated, and went through decades worth of therapy before they ever even contemplated going on hormones, getting surgery, etc. They also lived as a transvestite for a long time before ever transitioning. My trans friends think that it is not a good idea for kids or young teenagers who just imitate or wonder what it would be like to be the opposite sex to automatically get branded as being Trans and needing hormones and life changing surgery.

Heaven forbid male homosexuality is the worst thing on this planet.

I know people who believe in reincarnation or past lives as part of their religion or spirituality as they are Hindu, Jain, Sikh, or Buddhist but they told me how you are not supposed to know anything at all about them.

Let's call on the resting soul of Galileo...

He should sue his parents in court

I hope he does r152, there's something so wrong about every facet of this thing. "I don't like the word 'experimental'" ...are you kidding me? These parents, who did this to their son, are all of a sudden feeling faint and aflutter from mention of the word 'experimental'? Gimme a break. They both act like their child was born with some unavoidable medically disastrous condition, of which they are equally victimized by via parental worry - yet you can also see a bit of a thrill from the drama of it all coming through under the terrible acting.

Poor Jazz.

So, the "gender confirmation surgery"/cut penis off episode is currently airing.

And surprisingly, Jazz's mother has a moment where she cries as she sees her "little boy" going in for surgery and it's the last time. And then she corrects herself - "but it's okay".

RIP Jazz's penis

On the topic of transgender being similar to gay conversion therapy, I think if it makes them happier then it's ok. If a gay man finds more happiness living as a woman than the former, more power to them. It isn't easy being gay, and it's not easy being a feminine gay man. My only problem is with children deciding. I could compromise with an age limit of 16, but anything less than that is way too young to be put on anything (INCLUDING puberty blockers).

R148 that guy is beautiful. A feminine man, funny and poised. not a hateful, passive aggressive caricature like the trans spokespeople today.

I found this article and found it interesting; thought I would share. Maybe if someone else also finds it interesting, they can start a thread.

Poor Jazz :(

Jeanette and Greg Bloshinsky should be convicted of child abuse for manipulating their son, Jaron, into becoming a female.

A poster above said it's not easy being gay and it's not easy being a feminine gay man. Yet the option of transitioning into a woman, with the high suicide risk, lifetime of dangerous drugs, likely multiple surgeries plus being marginalised at the end of it all....most gays don't even consider it.