Demonic Child On Trans-Atlantic Flight

Slap the mother and break out the drugs.

The child should have been executed after the first hour.

Rx: The entire box with a box of juice

What airline was that, so that I can be sure never to get on one of their planes where the flight crew and flight attendants clearly have no training.

It would have served the airline, flight crew, mother, and kid if there were severe turbulence and the kid went flying into the roof of the plane.

Where the fuck is Casey Anthony when you need her ? ?

Every flight should carry lollipops laced with xanax or booze for exactly this kind of situation.

Disgusting pig mother, like this self-centered Cunt didn't know how this child behaves already? I'm sorry but I would been on social media for telling this precious, stressed Mommy to make her "fucking mongrel shut his fucking little psycho mouth."

Just another case for

Air Datalounge.

If you're an eldergay, we fly your way.

This is why the seats should be parachutes instead of flotation devices. Every one should be able to jump the fuck out when they've had enough and some people should be pushed.

Luftansa, R4

Where are tranquilizers when you need them

" Listen hon, if you don't shut the little darlin up, I'm going to fuck him .... "

R12 hahahahahaha the most Datalounge response possible

Lufthansa once had the reputation for being on time almost 100% and being very buttoned-up (in a Teutonic kind of way). Guess that's changed!!

I am shocked that the mother and the child appear to be German.

I'm going to state the obvious, but there is something seriously wrong with that child. Shame on his parents for ignoring the situation (and subjecting everyone else to eight hours of hell).

Kid must be autistic or something.

One day I did camp next to a family with the same kind of child, only older. He spent the afternoon and evening screaming, crying and insulting his parents.

No need to say I only stay for the night and get the fuck out this hell.

I'm surprised the pilot did not land in the UK and kick the mom and kid off.

There IS something wrong with that kid. That is not normal.

You'd think he would lose his voice after one hour screaming.

There couldn’t have been any DL ers on that flight. I can’t believe NO ONE said anything.

The mother is American

that disgusted me.

You'd think his parents would have the common decency to anticipate and deal with this in a way that doesn't inconvenience and trouble others. Fucking idiots need to be kept from breeding any further.

Definitely Benedryl time.

Kid is white. The world allows white people to do anything

Bad parenting.

Didn't teach the kid basic manners.

They should have stopped somewhere and let them off the plane. Greenland or somewhere, like they used to for refuelling.

I was once on a transatlantic flight with a child crying noisily right next to me - the elderly mother, cradling and rocking him.

I told her to get her fucking act together - that the child hadn't "just been born". He was fucking FIVE, NOT a BABE IN ARMS.

Then I was attacked by various people - fucking idiots.

Remember not too long ago some bitch mother complained her family was kicked off because one of her kids wouldn't calm down prior to take off? This is why. I would ask for a refund.

That is awful. As a parent, you have to anticipate those kinds of issues. And I agree that’s not normal behavior.

At least if you’re in a supermarket or something, you can drag the kid outside until they calm down. On an airplane, everyone is hostage. Awful.

[quote]I'm surprised the pilot did not land in the UK and kick the mom and kid off.

Or not even land -- just open the door and throw them out.

The Germans are no strangers to dropping terrible things on the UK.

A US based airline would have spun around or landed somewhere. Security threat or some such thing

Nah, our airlines never take violent action unless it's against someone who doesn't deserve it.

This bothers me. First, it seems that the mother isn't doing much to calm the child. Did she even apologize to the other passengers while this screech fest was going on? She apparently expected the other passengers to kindly tolerate his inappropriate behavior.

Two, why didn't the other passengers say or do anything? Once upon a time, people had no fear in confronting those who were behaving badly. The crew would've taken appropriate action, too. I'm shocked by how permissive people have become about this sort of thing.

Are there any parents on this thread who can explain why some children are difficult to control?

The kid belonged strapped on his mothers knee, IN THE ATTENDANTS CABIN, as isolated as possible. Possible closed into the toilet with mom.

It that were an adult, he would have been restrained. And possibly gagged???

A parent knows the personality and temperament of their child. I've been on countless flights with well behaved kids. This mother KNEW her evil spawn would behave like this. Fuck her. As someone else said, I would demand a refund from the airline. Demand!!

Germany had a "be nicer to children" campaign decades ago as they were seen to be too strict with them up until then

Let me put this in laymen's terms for you r35.....

I wonder how many of the other passenger tortured the Lufthansa US ground crew after landing? What compensation were they offered?

First, the airline should have a policy that children unaccompanied by an adult cannot roam the aisle. Post it inside the cabin if necessary. Ask the parents to collect the child and put it in its seat and keep it there. If the parents refuse, then staff can return the child to its seat and tell mom & dad that it is dangerous for both the child and to others on the plane to have it running around without an adult.

If a child is screaming nonstop, tell the oblivious parent "Your child needs you to comfort him/her. You are a parent, you need to see to your child's needs. Hug the child, talk to it, engage it with toys. Use your parenting skills. This is a time when you really need to rely on your parenting skills and make them work."

If that doesn't work, then a passenger should stretch out and "accidentally" put out their leg just as Baby is running past.

Flying home to Toronto from Brussels last September, I internally cringed as I saw that there were TWO toddlers seated in the aisle across from me. By the end of the flight, I wanted to put them both in my Will as they were little angels. They were awake for most of the flight and while the parents kept them occupied they really just seemed like really well-behaved tots. I realized then that perhaps I was spending a wee bit too much time on the DL as I had come to expect every child on an airplane to act like Satan in a manic phase.

The Louises of France had a great idea to ban children from the court of Versailles.

Why not shove the brat into the overhead compartment? Case solved!

Lol, r40.

Seriously, this is bad behavior - like an obnoxious drunk who's making loud and inappropriate statements to the other passengers, or is defiantly smoking cigarettes on board, or doing anything that's seriously disturbing the peace of the other passengers. In those cases, you'd divert the flight, land, and have the problem passenger(s) escorted out. I don't see why a demon seed child should get a pass on this.

That mother and her disgusting brat should have been removed from the airplane before the flight. The kid was already creating havoc on the plane. Parents should be held accountable and the only way to get through to those deluded, selfish morons is to inconvenience them by tossing them off the plane.

I completely agree, r42.

There is something seriously, seriously wrong with that child. The next time we see imagery of him it will look something like this:

R46, white, heterosexual mothers with bratty children are always given a free pass. Everyone else would have been kicked off the plane before the flight.

This is why it's key to have more Ambien prescribed than you're going to use on a transoceanic flight. "Hey kid, do you like pop? How about a big long sip from this ginger ale? Here, have the whole thing. Don't be afraid to ask for more."

The next time it happens, the flight attendant should tell the mother that she will be reported to Child Protective Services for neglecting her child. It’s the truth. If that is clearly stated on the airline ticket, it might stop this pathetic nonsense.

No sympathy for fellow passengers or crew...Had this been a minority family, police action against them would have been swift and deliberate, up to and including the use of deadly force on the mother and/ or child. Hope this encourages more mothers to bring their out-of-control brats on long flights with the entitled assumption their disruptive behaviour will be condoned.

R52 NEXT TIME?! Is this an institution of learning or a teenage brothel?!

R52 Chadwick has an impeccable reputation!

My sympathies to everyone on that flight. Little fucker would be dead meat if I was on that plane.

Okay, I’m a parent of three kids. I’m around kids all damn day. That is not normal behavior. Even naughty typical children can be distracted for a certain amount of time.

What this IS is a parent who is in denial about her child’s abnormal behavior.

I’ve been on flights with crying infants and people have been generally understanding because the parents were doing everything in their power to soothe the baby and they kept apologizing. They acknowledged the other passengers’ discomfort and made every effort.

This mother seemed glib and oblivious. Terrible.

Oh, and THIS kid is definitely old enough to know how to behave and be corrected.

I'd rather share a flight with that peacock than that demon spawn.

[quote]Oh, and THIS kid is definitely old enough to know how to behave and be corrected.

I think this guy could help..."correct" him.

May I chime in?

The mother knew damn well he would act up on the plane. He is not an unpredictable infant or 2 yr old toddler. She was using the child to cause drama, torment the passengers, and ruin their trip. Most narcissistic disordered parents don't go to this extreme but those who do are disordered.

Some narcissist mothers aggravate others by defiantly breastfeeding a 4 yr old in public and making people feel uncomfortable, and others sit there with a crying baby in a restaurant instead of leaving, and so on. The point is that these disordered parents conjure up ways to annoy and anger people even if they have to use their child to accomplish that goal. Narcissists don't care if their kids are causing disruptions, angering others, or bullying classmates in school either. Aside from being horrible parents, mostly due to being emotionally stunted, they use their kids to manipulate others and control their emotions, and to piss people off. That's what this narcissist cunt was doing.

This disordered mother was completely aware of the discomfort, anger and frustration her little demon boy was causing, but totally uninterested and indifferent to the discomfort of the other passengers and how they were feeling = NPD/Narcissism, an incurable personality disorder.

There was nothing normal about his behavior and nothing normal about her reaction to it; "Calm down hunny" is just one dead-giveaway, along with completely ignoring the fact that the passengers were stressed, upset and angry = narcissistic personality disorder. Since she got away with forcing all of the passengers to listen to demonic screaming for 8 hrs and ruining their day, she'll do it again and exploit or use her child to cause drama and upset others. This wasn't their first incident and won't be the last.

She should have been reported and the child immediately removed from her custody and taken in for psychological evaluation while she sat and waited. Her trip should have been ruined just like she caused for all of the passengers. It should not have ended with her exiting the plane, smirking and walking away as if nothing had happened.

Since there were no consequences to her allowing this to continue, this narcissist mother will do it again. Once she saw he was getting away with it, and pissing everyone off, she allowed it to continue, actually facilitating the screaming and by not stopping him she was also encouraging her little demon. That shit should have been nipped in the bud right then and there. Sad that it wasn't.

At least breast-fed kids are generally quiet. (Although I have never encountered a breast-feeding four year old!)

R63 i have! the kid was 5 or 6 and sucking on mom's teet.

Wouldn't be surprised if there's not a mommy blog where this mother will come out and make excuses for her snowflake's behavior and how those passengers should be more understanding. This happened a while back from some other woman with a brat kid. I think it was posted here too.

i would have been arrested if i was a passenger on that flight, kid would have been smacked and thrown in an overhead compartment

Even a 3 or 4 year old still being breastfed only wants to nurse at night before bedtime and maybe also in the morning upon awakening, not throughout the day. At that age they want to feel like a big girl/boy and drink out of a regular cup or drink from their favorite sippy cup. The stupid women who nurse an older child in public know that they don't need to and that it's totally unnecessary. They're immature attention-seekers trying to cause a stir like this incompetent deranged mother of the demon-screaming kid.

Being on a plane is unfun enough without this. Was the child autistic?

A few years ago, my partner and I were on a packed 5-hour flight when a toddler starting shrieking uncontrollably while most of the passengers stared in disbelief while the non-plussed mother simply walked up and down the aisle rocking the beastly child. I'm guessing she wanted *everyone* in the cabin to experience the pleasure of her kid screaming right next to their ears. My partner calmly told her while she was walking by for the second or the third time: "You should shake him either LESS or MORE!", which caused everyone around us to burst into laughter.

People should email Lufthansa and tell the airline that they will never use Lufthansa after seeing that their staff allows intolerable conditions to take place without attempting to right the situation. That would be meaningful instead of bellyaching in an unrelated online forum.

"Your child needs you to comfort him/her. You are a parent, you need to see to your child's needs. Hug the child, talk to it, engage it with toys. Use your parenting skills. This is a time when you really need to rely on your parenting skills and make them work."

A little long-winded.

My mom could have done all that with one glance at the bitch.

Were people not glancing at the woman? Of course they were. Obviously, airline momma didn't give a shit about glances.

R53, while I have sympathy for the passengers, you are absolutely correct.

That child is clearly autistic. The mother is a bitch for subjecting people to that with the sole exception of taking the child to a specialist that provided treatment unavailable in her own country.

The mother isn't just subjecting passengers and crew to a horror show, she's subjecting the kid as well. She's plainly neglecting her child, which is literally a crime.

Anyone work for the airlines? What procedures are flight attendants suppose to follow for sonething like this?

There's definitely something wrong with that monster.

I was on an 11 hour flight from London to Los Angeles and there was a screaming monster all of the 11 hours. It was a little girl and her screeches were deafening. I was so angry and so were others sitting around me. When we got off to go through security, I saw that that little monster had eyes that were way too close together. I let it go then, because I knew she was a 'tard or something.

[quote] I am shocked that the mother and the child appear to be German.

Where did you get that? The mother speaks American English.

The mother looks like TRASH

Part of me agrees with the posters above who thought the plane should have landed at the first available spot and the mother and kid tossed off but having been through an emergency landing myself (someone on board had a heart attack) I'm very aware of the complications an emergency landing can entail. So I understand the flight crew's decision as well.

I'm not sure what the answer is here. Maybe a clearly stated policy for the airline and stiff fine for not taking reasonable measures to control your child in flight like fines for trying to disable smoke detectors?

The fight crew probably should have booted the mother and child before taking off but that's a whole other set of problems and bad PR so I understand why they didn't.

What a mess. People dragging small kids on planes is getting to be as much of an issue as absurd "emotional support" animals and more the norm than the rare exception. If you can't control them, don't bring them or pay a hefty fine for disrupting a flight.

Most people will be understanding in an unforeseeable situation like the guy who had a heart attack on one of my flights but when it's just plain negligence there should be some consequences for the bad judgement of the adult who created the problem.

[quote]Most people will be understanding in an unforeseeable situation like the guy who had a heart attack on one of my flights but when it's just plain negligence there should be some consequences for the bad judgement of the adult who created the problem.

Perhaps a "spawn deposit," like an apartment pet deposit, could be forfeited if the semen demon doesn't sit down and shut up.

I wish she were MY mommy.

I'll say something nice. I did like his jaunty little sweater..

Me too, R83!

Seriously, that child is not normal. Any parent would tell you that. There’s a difference between a regular tantrum and what that child was doing. His vocalizations during the screaming sounded bizarre. He sounded possessed.

My neighbors kid is just like this monster. I don't know if he has mental problems or what, but I've witnessed on several occasions him yelling at his parents during a meltdown "I'M GOING TO MURDER YOU!!!". The kid is 6. We joke that he's a serial killer in training, which probably isn't an inaccurate assessment.

^^forgot to add, I would like to feel sorry for the parents but they never do anything to correct it, they just let him yell and scream at them. They've admitted they're afraid of him. Again, the kid is 6.

[Bold] AND NOT ONE PERSON SAID ANYTHING TO THE CUNT PARENT??? THEY ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM AND SO IS THE CREW! YOU BUNCH OF FUCKING PUSSIES!!!!!! THEY ALL DESERVED IT!

This is a parenting issue and this is what today's parents look like. FACT! They should have kicked her and the kid off.

I'm guessing a lot of the passengers have noise canceling earbuds. I won't go anywhere without mine.

Longtime F/A here: If the kid was truly acting out during the boarding pre-flight period, he should have been removed. Period.

This is exactly why we have zero tolerance for bad behavior while on the ground. It is too damn expensive to land an aircraft off-sked, so unless it is life or death, the captain isn't going to sign off on that. Next time you read about someone being pulled, seemingly a bit prematurely for your liking, just remember this. We do it because we know that any problem on the ground will escalate 10 fold at 30K feet.

Children under 7 should not be allowed on flights. Period.

MOST people don't say anything for fear of getting THEMSELVES thrown off the plane. The airlines are really fucked up.

R92, you're so ridiculous, lol

What R93 said. Then, you will be seen as the commotion instigator and end up on some "no fly list" after getting arrested upon arrival. Instead, those sadistic assholes should be placed on a flight reserved specifically for parents with unruly children. You'd see how quickly they'd throw a tantrum over something they consider "cute" when it comes to their own crotch fruit. The taste of one's own medicine, etc.

Can you imagine being the person seated right next to Mommy and Demon??

I agree, that child is not normal. Just the sound of his vocalizations are not what you expect to hear from a screaming toddler, and I work in a pre-school with 200 of the little monsters. Aside from being mentally challenged in some way, I have to wonder if the child is deaf or hard of hearing. It almost seemed like this was the only kind of verbalization/vocal communication he was capable of.

Also notice the mother DID know her kid would act up, and was prepared for it, however ineffectually, because she was demanding wifi for the ipad before the plane even took off. That would indicate she knew/thought whatever games or videos were on the ipad would distract the kid. But it also seems like she had a small window of time in which to distract him, and once she lost that window, all hell broke loose and nothing could stop it. That also points towards autism or something like it.

I just posted what many people think, R94.

I'm not dragging you r98, it's just very funny, the idea of all children under 7 being banned from air travel. LOL!

Get Darla Neugebauer, the Maine diner owner who screamed at a child to shut up in her restaurant, and have her instruct all the FAs.

"Yeah, I screamed at him. And he shut up."

Why should very small children even be allowed on airplanes in the first place, except during emergencies? Just because air travel exists doesn't mean everyone needs to avail themselves of it.

Darla Neugebauer should be declared an honorary DLer and sent a welcome kit.

Don't bring race into this. The majority of parents kicked off due to unruly kids have been white. I remember only one black family recently. The one mom who really bitched was white.

The Frau Brigade weighs in:

[quote]"Whos(sic) to say this child didn't have a hidden disability my son is autistic and couldn't do a long haul flight, 1 you shouldn't be filming a child 2 shouldn't be passing judgement when you haven't a clue what was wrong. Shame on you!!!!"

Chloroform

The best plan of action is get the best noise cancelling headphones you can buy. The best IMO are Bose Quiet Comfort as they are over ear and battery operated. Get a prescription for Xanax as well. Getting involved with dealing with idiots in public is just asking for more BS than you are already dealing with. You become the bad guy and inevitably you’ll get some bitch mom who will start yelling - or crying and saying you’re scaring her so everyone will attack you. So worth the $$$$$

r94 = fat slob housecow

I doubt the kid is autistic. I think people are drawing that conclusion because they are rational people who assume there has to be a good reason for this type of behavior. Do you hear the mother trying to diffuse the situation? Because I don't - what I see and hear in that clip is s kid being ignored and raising the stakes to get a reaction. All the while his mother is probably sitting back in her seat, noise canceling headphones on and scrolling through Pinterest while everyone else on the flight suffers. Fuck her.

I had a friend who practiced attachment parenting and her kid acted like this. The kid wasn't autistic- it had just never been told "no" or disciplined in any way. I took them to Grand Central Station after an exhausting overnight visit and the kid ran around in the convenience store grabbing customer's items out of their hands and running away with them, ripping open packages of food and dumping the contents on the floor yelling and screaming all the while. The kid would crawl and writhe around on the dirty floor as it pleased. A bit later I was left alone with the kid and the luggage cart while it's mom went to the restroom. The kid eventually got the idea to run the cart into people. I let the kid push the cart around then at the last second I'd push the front end of the cart away so people didn't get hit. The kid was enraged by this and would scream and attack me but we were in thick winter clothes so the attempts at biting and scratching didn't work. The kid would lose interest in biting then start pushing the cart at people again ad nauseum. When the mom got back I was still doing it. My friend saw me doing it, I made no attempt to hide it and my friend didn't make an issue of it with me. The kid clung to it's mother and cried, screamed bloody murder and pointed at me as if it had been horribly abused for the last 15 min they had before departure.

The kid clearly felt that adults have no authority over it. The kid generally spent 15 min out of every hour screaming so it was normal for them. My friend was completely cavalier about it all. Could not have cared less about any of the craziness that had been constant for every moment the kid was awake. Didn't care how it affected other people at all.

I don't think the kid throwing tantrums on the flight was autistic. Gauging by his mother's reaction she just didn't believe in discipline or taking responsibility. I've seen people with kids who seem autistic and they are pretty hands on and involved.

"Hey , kid... do you know what happens to kids who scream on planes? Before landing we THROW THEM OFF and then listen to the sound of their skulls crack against the rocks below. Then we cheer!"

r29

What an asshole, he's just a kid and from your statement the mother WAS trying to soothe him. Poor fellow was probably scared out of his mind, and having to deal with douchebags like you gave him good reason to fear.

r103

minorities ride the bus

Easy for you to say R111, you weren't sitting next to the nightmare.

R109 that is such a disturbing tale. It should be its own thread! Good god, what is wrong with your friend? Just dreadful, but thanks for sharing

r111 = fat ass slob housecowcunt

Can you imagine being that kid’s teacher and dealing w that kid every day - and that dumb bitch mom?

Gee I wonder why no one wants to be a teacher

I flew with my daughter when she was 18 months old. Benadryl ruled the day! When she got older, I had a surprise bag of new toys and things to occupy her. It can be done without assaulting the sensibilities of other passengers. I think there is something wrong with this kid, and his mother would have known that and should have made plans accordingly. Or not have flown! This is inexcusable!

This kid and his mother must be identified. The mother must be publicly confronted and shamed.

R111 saddest attempt at trolling of 2018

That is exactly what people on the plane would say if you pointed out what a dick the mom was being by ignoring the kid. Then you get vilified for being the big meanie. Fuck people.

[Quote]Don't bring race into this. The majority of parents kicked off due to unruly kids have been white. I remember only one black family recently. The one mom who really bitched was white.

Race was probably a factor in how the other passengers showed restraint in their reactions and in the non action of the crew, so stop trying to be deliberately obtuse, r103. We all know what a racist wasteland this board turns into whenever there's a post about a person of color just being perceived as doing something wrong.

You are pathetic R121. You have done everything you could to bring race into this.

Well let me tell YOU something. I have worked for a major US airline for 30 years, and we are directed to bend over backwards and sideways to accommodate black passengers no matter what they do. Why? Because the execs know what a stink the put upon AAs will make by playing the race card publically. So GTFO with your bullshit.

I don't care if the kid is defective: If the mother can't control it, it shouldn't be flying.

Toss him off the plane with his Mom

Thats torture. Why parents think its ok to fly with a kid like that. They deserve all the shaming they get. Leave kids like that at home. That is not regular kid behavior, he looks about 4 or 5, regular whining and whimpering are still somehat ok, but full on demonic shrieking, get that kid away from public's view.

I would pay extra to fly on an airline where kids were checked with luggage.

Obviously the mother knew this behavior was a possibility. She does need to be named and shamed. If the child has a medical problem, then either she should not travel with him or she should have prescription-strength sedatives to knock him out for the duration.

Noise-canceling headphones would not have blocked out this sound.

That child put everyone on that plane in danger. Imagine if there had been an emergency. They should have been removed prior to take-off. I would have demanded a refund from the airlines and would have had Child Protective Services meet the plane upon landing.

Maybe that wasn't here child and she was stealing him.

here = her

I couldn't finish the video, it was freaking my cat out. Did the mother do anything to try to make him calm down?

"Pardon me, may I have a word in private with your darling child? Stewardess, fetch my paintbrush. And another scotch."

-- Mrs Patsy Ramsey, formerly of Boulder, CO, coming to the rescue from First Class.

That mother and child should have been removed from that plane....in mid-flight.

Holy hell. She'd better tranq sweet little Connor if they're taking a return flight...

That is unacceptable.

It's a damned shame Rohypnol is no longer available. That would have sorted out the problem quite nicely.

I’m surprised he didn’t lose his voice or fall asleep from exhaustion by hour 6.

"Listen sister, if you don't slam a bottle of booze down that brawling brat's gullet, I sure as shootin' am gonna!"

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

^ Correction: White disordered people.

A person of color who is personality disordered is fucked for life in this society. White personality disordered people can cause whatever damage they want. Even white victims are not protected. In America you have to be white AND fucked up in the head/crazy-disordered to have any rights. The laws here are made to protect white criminals, not the victims or people of color.

I'm surprised that that kid did not scare other kids on the flight with that horrible screaming. That mother and her demon spawn should have never been allowed to board that plane.

^ That's true. That would have frightened any baby. I hope there weren't any on board. Babies get scared when they hear shouting, especially that demon-like screeching, and when they are scared they cry.

I’m really appalled! The video is so distressing. The kid clearly has something wrong with it. Or is it really just stupid parents who can’t deal with this crap and are useless as far as parenting skills are concerned?

They were like the parents in that old twilight zone episode who could not risk offending their child as he might ‘blink’ them out of existence if they did - so everyone normalised his behavior and walked on eggshells around him. Letting him do whatever he wanted - hoping to survive long enough that he’d grow up and they could reason with him...

Seriously: unsafe. How dare the parents allow their evil spawn to climb over seats and run amok. And why didn’t the flight crew intervene? Fear of litigation? They should have seen what was going on at the start and put them off before takeoff. I mean - he was carrying on and pitching a fit before takeoff - they would have been justified in asking them to leave then, surely?

I’m not unsympathetic to parents. It’s hard traveling with children. But it was ever thus. This is just beyond belief. Get help by all means - but do not inflict that on other people.

Rum punch.

I was on a flight from JFK to LAX years ago on Delta. There was a child one row behind me.

He was not as bad as this child (verbally), but he was a pain in the ass. He kept swinging from my armrest and the one across the aisle. I asked his mother to ask him not to, and she told me "That's your problem. Children need exercise on long flights." Apparently, they needed to kick the backs of chairs, throw dirty pieces of cloth, and scream "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

When I went to the restroom, I wrote on a piece of paper towel: "Hello! We are sitting in seats 13 A, B, and C. If you are hot and YOUNG, we'd love to get to know you. We have a cocaine. And a young boy up for anything. Please be discreet."

I then pulled out a score of towels and placed the one I'd written on above them and put them back.

Not an hour later, a flight attendant was speaking tersely with the mother. But I couldn't hear anything she said because she was leaning in and whispering so the child wouldn't hear -- and I was paranoid that if I looked more than once I would reveal I had written the note. All I could hear was the mother say the words "never" and "liar."

The joke was one me because the child went back to swinging from my armrest the second the flight attendant went back to the back of the plane.

I wish someone would have pulled out a crucifix and started yelling stuff about Satan, demons, and exorcism directly at this kid while crossing themself!

R140 it sounded like another kid did start to cry. At one point he was walking up the aisle and a lady was holding a maybe two year old girl. The kid was screeching and when he walked by the girl she started to cry.

But it sounded like she stopped as soon as the shithead passed her.

That poor excuse of a mother should be named and shamed

This flight was going to Newark, NJ? What the hell was wrong with those passengers from NJ that they let this damned nonsense go on?

Damn New Jersey, you're a bunch of PUSSIES. And this useless piece of shit mother's face should have been photographed and displayed in Times Square for allowing her child to act like that. Name and shame that bitch

Name and Shame

When I eat out and they sit me next to parents with loud kids I asked to be moved. If I’m dining alone I bring noise cancelling headphones. Most people today are loud and obnoxious mofos just waiting for someone to say something about their rude behavior so they can play the oppressed victim and have an excuse to act trashy and be verbally abusive. You have to be smart and be prepared instead of giving them what they want.

I simply wouldn't fly without my noise-cancelling headphones. A restaurant makes sense too, especially since many restaurants are purposely designed to be as noisy as possible.

I was in a flight recently where a small baby in the row behind me cried for the better part of an hour. No pacifier, no bottle, just big loud sobs that were angled directly into the gap between the seats and into my ear. I turned around and it was the dad holding the baby - the mother was in the toilet and he just let the kid cry and cry. The mother came back but it was too late and the kid just kept on for another half hour. She apologised to everyone when we were exiting and someone who hadn’t even sat near us said ‘only an asshole would get angry at a crying baby on a plane.’ The smug motherfucker wasn’t deafened like I had been.

I’ve had it worse. I was once seated next to Alan Alda who cried during the entire flight over a dead chicken.

Everyone on that flight deserves a refund.

It can’t be true that no one tried to shut the little psycho the fuck up. I’ve seen tons of kids wanting to roam around the plane be sent & then brought back to their seats by flight attendants, with the parents told it wasn’t safe & they had to keep the kid in his seat. It doesn’t seem possible that this little shit was running and climbing around freely. ???

Why Benadryl hasn't come out with a kids juice line is beyond me. I'm just spitballing here but Comatose Cherry, Groggy Grape and Woozy Watermelon I think would fly off the shelves.

I'm amazed at how many parents these days can't seem to keep their children occupied. I remember when we traveled my mother brought along this huge bag of books and toys and snacks. Maybe that stuff isn't as easy to get on a plane these days, but I don't remember any of us misbehaving. (Of course, we also went to church every Sunday, so we learned very early how to sit for an hour and not act up).

R156, tablets and phones seem to have taken the place of books and crayons. I saw a child in a high chair at a restaurant recently who could only be pacified with his mother’s iPhone. As soon as the phone was removed from its chubby grasp the kid started shrieking.

R156, the problem is that children have no attention spans. The worst thing that ever happened to early childhood was Sesame Street. The constant stimulation in children's media has left children unable to focus on anything for more than a few seconds. The other issue is that the emphasis on technology has left children unable to participate in imaginative play. They cannot entertain themselves with their imagination.

Again, why didnt the FA contact an air marshall and suggest putting child + 1 parent, in the stewards pantry or a bathroom, and call it a day for the rest of the flight. Would the Airline be liable if the monster ripped the parent's eyeballs out?

Do you think that every flight has an air marshall on it? Not even close. And even if there were one, we are not permitted to seek their help over a non-terroristic problem. They must remain incognito. I have had one step up and offer assistance once, but that was his call.

She needs to be sterilized, and needed.

He needs an emotional support hamster.

He needs Thorazine.

R155 I think Peaceful Peach has a nice ring to it. I would give that to a kid before a flight!

[quote]She apologised to everyone when we were exiting and someone who hadn’t even sat near us said ‘only an asshole would get angry at a crying baby on a plane.’

Asshole here, and I HATE babies on planes.

[quote]She was using the child to cause drama, torment the passengers, and ruin their trip.

Doubtful. The kid obviously has a problem -- there is no way this is merely bad behavior or a temper tantrum. Her inability to deal with the problem has manifested in denial, which is common. She doesn't know what to do so she does nothing, and doesn't bother trying to get help because she's convinced herself there is no help to be had. Or that no help is needed.

Maybe you haven't been paying attention, but we live in a country where 40% of people think Trump is doing a good job. There are a lot of dumb people here. Scads. Tons. And these dumb people have no fucking clue what to do with a kid who has an emotional/personality disorder. (They're not really great when it comes to physical ailments, either.)

Attributing some kind of evil, Machiavellian intent to the mother is ridiculous.

[quote]Woozy Watermelon I think would fly off the shelves

Bitch, I'D be all over that shit. Fuck the kids, gimme that tranq juice.

This had to be a violation of some aviation law regarding disruptive passengers. The parent(s) should have been met by an air marshal on landing and should have been prosecuted to the full extend of that law. I can't believe the airline let them get away with that. It sets a dangerous precedent.

Yeah, it's astonishing they didn't make the family disembark before takeoff. Whose decision was that?

I use Etymotic ER 4 earbuds. Work like a charm. Don't be cheap. Spend the extra money, they are well worth it. I've had mine for about 10 years and they are as good as they were the first day. Noise cancelling & for audiophiles.

If you use noise-cancelling earbuds, the terrorists have won.

No fucking way. I use my sense of hearing to orient myself to the world and to be aware of important information around me.

Fuck the clueless, selfish mother. I am as capable of making a scene as she is. It's my world too.

From Flyertalk:

[quote]For the passanger to publish a video of a child titled 'demonic child' is disgusting and shameful. He should hang his head in shame, it's bullying and shaming a child. What is wrong with this world? The problems here is not NOT WITH THE CHILD.

Fortunately, this frau is in the minority on Flyertalk, where others point out, rightly, that if this was going on in first class or business class it would have been stopped by any means necessary.

I would have smacked that fucking child - so arrest me. I would be lawyering up against Lufthansa if I’d been on that flight.

Has Lufthansa made any comment???

I'd like them to comment on how they came up with that fucking name.

R166 No, I disagree and stand by what I said in my R62 post.

This mother knew her son would act up. She was fully aware of that. This certainly was not the first time she witnessed this behavior in her son. She has seen it 100 times before yet she had no problem forcing an entire plane full of passengers to endure his shrieks and abnormal vocalizations for 8 hours. In addition to that, her nonchalant "Calm down hunny" attitude, all combined, are dead giveaways.

She was indifferent to the discomfort and anger the passengers were subjected to which is a clear indicator and characteristic of a personality disorder, most likely Cluster B. Her choices and behaviors are especially characteristic of people with NPD, as opposed to the other CB disorders. Nothing normal about it. So I disagree with your reply post.

While sometimes the parent is not disordered and not at fault, I think in this case both mother and child are disordered. I have two sisters. One is a great parent to her daughter yet her daughter is a monster, and my other sister is a horrible mother (and person) yet her daughter is always a pleasure to be around, although she suffers from anxiety, which is understandable. It's not *always* the parents fault.

I don't know what the diagnosis for this boy would be if he were to be brought in for evaluation, but she is NPD/narcissistic all the way. Not all narcissists engage in this behavior, subjecting everyone to 8 hrs of noise pollution, but that is what she did. She was able to foresee this scenario and didn't care. The lack of concern for others is very typical of narcissists.

She showed a callous lack of regard for the crew and passengers. There is nothing normal about that mentality, as well as bringing a troubled and defiant (to put it mildly) child on board a plane. What normal person does that? A non-personality disordered parent would have reacted very differently than this mother did, and most likely would not have even brought a child that out of control on a plane to begin with.

Get a blog remote-diagnosis Mary

My reply was not intended for you R177. It was a reply specifically for the poster referenced, not you. The mature thing to do would have been to scroll past it. Time to grow up. Blocked.

155, Lethargy Lemon,

Apple Napple,

Plum Numb

, Bedtime Lime

.Snorange

^^^R155, that is.

If the child and the mother had been in F/C, and believe it or not we do on occasion get a mommy frau and her crotch fruit riding up front, there would have been action taken. No doubt about it. The lead F/A would have given the mother the choice of reseating them in coach(if there were seats available) or landing the plane. Of course option three would have been shutting the brat up, but I doubt that was a real possibility.

The damage done by exposing high dollar customers to 7 hours of hell would far surpass the possible damage done by offending Mommy. Fun fact: most rich pax with children sit up front while the nanny sits in coach with the kid(s).

This thread has been mighty useful for flushing out fraus for the ol' Ignore list.

A couple of steep dives would have knocked some sense into that brat.

R155, I love you! You're just the right amount of wrong!

[quote]She showed a callous lack of regard for the crew and passengers.

You've never ridden on a subway. Half and I literally mean half the passengers are exactly like this. You ever hear a cell phone war with the people playing their music or watching movies through their cell phones without headphone blasting louder and louder as each one tries to drown the other out?

It only is getting worse and worse.

Let me state the obvious R185: The most odious person imaginable on the subway only has to be tolerated for a maximum of 15 or so minutes. Eight hours is cruel and unusual punishment...punishment for which each person paid hundreds of dollars.

^ not R176 replying to you.

R187 is not R186. I don't know why he/she would identify as such,

How long does LSD last?

r119

Wrong, it's correct, you probably think your cat is a replacement for an actual child.

r186 The amount of time is irrelevant bad behavior is bad behavior and what is your time limit. So it's OK to act up for fifteen minutes but not 8 hours. It seems that it would be far more logical to expect bad behavior for the lengthier trips when a child is more apt to get bored or scared.

You know this mother is also vegan, gluten-free, doesn't believe in discipline, kid has safe spaces at school.

Even though I'm also white, I think white spoiled parents are the scourge of the world now. They are creating millions of little snowflakes to turn into giant fat idiotic ones to become president later like we have now.

[quote]Even though I'm also white, I think white spoiled parents are the scourge of the world now.

Why do some people have to turn everything into "race" and skin color?

If the boy's father was present and had a belt, he could have stopped this nonsense in 60 seconds or less.

No one wants to acknowledge that spanking (when used properly) can be a healthy part of parenting.

You're thinking of YOUR dad, R194. Today's fathers are just as weak and ineffectual as the mothers, and I say this as the son of a 5'2" mother who was liberal with the wooden spoon and the hair brush (the belt was for special occasions).

"Spare the rod, spoil the demonic child."

Flight attendant or fellow passenger nearby should have stuffed some power drug in his water or shove it into his screaming mouth when he was roaming around.

I agree r36, r37.

The whole family deserved to be dragged like that poor Vietnamese-American doctor on UA (he didn't).