Sam Heughan, Closeted Gay Actor, Lead in "Outlander" --Part 27

Damn you're fast.

More sources confirming that Sam is gay.

Our darling, Lady Goodman, whose cousin met Sam at the Real Conservatoire of Scotland, posted this interesting info. Her cousin confirms that Sam is gay:

[quote]"I started watching Outlander last year and commented on Facebook how much I enjoyed it. My cousin private messaged me and was like "I went to RCS with Heughan,remember?" , I didn't because my cousin isn't in the acting/directing game anymore and is now working as a "civilian", so I'd completely forgotten he went to the Conservatoire as its now called. I commented that I thought he was lovely and he'd have to intro me when I was next in Scotland (I was saying this jokingly,I'm married.) and he replied "Sorry to burst your bubble, gorgeous as you are, I don't think you've got what he's looking for if you know what I mean..."

[quote]"And he was like "He's gay. I don't know why this is a thing. I'm sure he's photographed with women, I've seen him around home with women. He is gay. He just is. Didnt know he was saying otherwise. Weird to try and hide it now. Bit of a risk this late in the game."

People who has met Sam's ex-boyfriends.....

[quote]" Ages ago, I mentioned here that Sam and one other man consistently shared a mutual address for 10+ years (they had multiple roommates, as other people's names came and went, but theirs were constant from place to place). On this man's Facebook page, you can find posts about him being in Thailand a few years ago, and it doesn't appear he was alone or that it was his first trip. This same man looks almost exactly like the man pictured with Sam at the bar that was posted on a Brazilian Twitter page (green lights, otherwise very dark, Sam and a man sitting next to each other). I'd drop the "almost," except lighting and camera angles make a positive ID tricky. The timeframe would be just about right. This same man used to post very regularly on Sam's original Twitter account, then went almost completely silent after Sam started to gain some fame. I believe he was a long-time love."

So who is this Fergus guy? If his is the boyfriend, who is Luke then?

More sources about Sam being gay, from the previous threads:

[quote]"I’ve known he’s gay since right after he was cast. Many UK fans I befriended early know it and shared that information. They have family and friends who work on Outlander. Others knew of Sam beforehand. Even though crew/production/cast sign NDAs they do share gossip with people they are close too who wont talk openly. Back then everything was more accessible but once the show premiered. and was a huge success, the UK fans all shut up. It’s like a protective shield around Sam to help him keep it a secret. But the truth is out there. More recently, I found out that the brother of my fiance best friend hooked up with Sam in drama school. It was in the context of a casual discussion when both the brother and my guy were both in a Barbour store together. The brother mentioned it in passing after seeing Sam in the window and my guy told me because he knows I’m a fan of the show. It’s NBD in Scotland or the rest of the UK. It’s an open secret scenario."

Another source from Edingburgh:

[quote]"Straight woman lurker here and I'm actually embarrassed by the "he's gotta be straight" troll. He's not straight. My friend is from Edinburgh. His folks live in the same neighborhood as Sam's. Not exactly a secret and here's the amazing thing, nobody there gives a shit. Sam's a nice guy, so is his family. Its only the fans in the US that seem to lose their shit about an actor's personal life. For me, Sam's a cute pup but give me some Graham McTavish any day!"

So. Please let us try not to feed our household thing with the multiple personality on this new thread. I am sick of scrolling over its useless posts.

I was missing the troll but damn she is a bit psychotic.

[quote] "I've found DL and this thread when looking for "Sam Heughan gay" probably two years ago. Since that time, i am posting here. I am an Insider for PR, because that is my job for a long time. I have written about who i know and for what a couple of times here. I know, that Sam is gay. I know it because coincidentally i am since 35 years in the LBTG world. To make a long story short: I have met Freddy Mercury in Munich at a gay bar, with his Muse Barbara Valentin. So I know what i am talking about. Sam Heughan being gay is common sense. And no big secret in the community."

Adding to R2 post.

Lady Goodman wrote:

[quote] "I don't have a lot to add that hasn't been said,but all I know is this - The person who told me that Sam is gay, has no skin in the game. He's not bitter, he liked Sam when he knew him and he's no longer in the entertainment industry so there's no reason for him to lie or be malicious. He didn't even realise it was a big deal and honestly, we both didn't think Outlander was that big at home (Scotland), he's never even seen it beyond a few minutes and he didn't see it as outting him, he thought he was out."

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

Here are the bits from the above article that I quoted before my post was redacted by DL's fucking issue with the Independent...

[quote]One in 10 said they had been discouraged from coming out by their agents. New said: "The first agent I ever had told me not to come out; she didn't want people to know. I didn't ask why." Other gay actors said they were told not to "broadcast" their sexuality.

[quote]Mr Sinclair holds regular meetings with international entertainment unions. "When talking about the charter, the European countries mostly shrug and say it isn't an issue. The American union said it remains a huge problem. Homosexuality remains a massive issue for many people in the US. There is a pressure for British actors who look to make it over there to go back into the closet."

[quote]Many feared they would not land leading roles portraying straight characters. "You often see heterosexual actors playing gay characters, but it's pretty rare the other way round," Mr Sinclair said.

[quote]Zachary Quinto, who played Spock in the recent Star Trek remake, came out last year. He said: "As a gay man, it made me feel like there's still so much work to be done, and there are still so many things that need to be looked at and addressed."

[quote]My first role after drama school was in a play called Bent, which was about a gay man, and I knew the issue would come up. Before the first interview I talked to Alan Cumming, who said that if I wanted to be happy and not live in fear, I should come out.

R13Good post,with knew info I hadn't read before.

Look who liked Sam 's tweet about Scotland rugby team ...

Maybe it is because the picture is nice ... Or just because she is happy because his man is ! More and more SM interaction between them , they don't care about what people think anymore . Even on MM 's IG , no negative comments . You should start looking for another " closeted actor " ... Sam's gay theory does not work anymore.

r13. Great find and very interesting to read. There is still a huge difference between Europe and the US. Which may explain, why Sam choose the closet road, when hired for OL. There are nowadays a lot of openly gay polticians in Europe. Germany has had an openly gay Minister of foreign affairs, who was married to a guy. He died a couple of years ago from leukamia.

It is so obvious, that Sam forced himself or was forced to get in the closet, when he saw his chance to reassure in HW, after beging close to leave the industry, when he had left HW after failing so often in the auditions.

[quote]Or just because she is happy because his man is !

Our homophobic troll gets her pronouns wrong a lot, doesn't she? Not a native English speaker.

[quote]Even on MM 's IG , no negative comments

I'm afraid you've just busted yourself, big time, troll. One look at the beard's IG and there you are. Same linguistic footprint. I'm not going to doxx you but I will start calling you by your first name if you show up here, again. You've been warned.

Anyone who is seeing a romantic relationship in the likes and comments of a celebrity's public-facing social media account is missing the whole point about what closeting looks like, not to mention the marketing purpose of social media in general.

While we’re on the subject of ‘likes’, I love how the beard keeps liking Sam’s stuff, but he only likes hers when he gets a dig in the ribs !

R18, you're right. The troll has given herself away on MM's Insta. It's pretty easy to figure out who she is -- and her real name is there for everyone to see. Maybe she'll move on now.

r21 Hope so. It was getting so boring with her around!

r18 are you threatening her? this isn't Your board. anyone is allowed to post here.

r16, almost every gay actor in HW has a bunch of beards. Just look at other threads on DL, our dear fat homophobic stan.

Will & Grace are back....

Those horrible bangs on Heughan!Not only does that hairdo not make sense historically,it is so unflattering and makes him look like Claire’s son.In addition t all the PR bullshit, the terrible hair continues for Sam.

r23. No r18 is not.

But may be, we are all tired and exhausted to read her useless, sometimes contradictory posts here? She was called out so many times in the last two threads, which she used to repeat her mantra, that Sam is straight and the jobless one is..., well, I am no more words wasting on that.

Everyone can post here, even the one is not agreeing to the threads title. But we expect some substantiated new. This is not the case, when close to 100 posts from her are about that someone liked someother ones irrelevant IG posts.

I've followed the same path as r18 a couple of days ago. What scared me, is her age and heritage. I always thought, I was dealing with a 20+ somewhere from a FOS.

R26, I agree -- this photo makes it look like Outlander is moving into a creepy Mother/Son vibe. Still no word on a season 5 renewal, either. Plus, I'm curious to know what posters here think about the trailer for Sam's indie pic "When the Starlight Ends." I'm not sure it's going to help him land post-OL acting jobs.

The trailer clip I saw was pretty brief,seemed like Sam is supposed to be some kind of loser? It’s a movie you have to order from amazon, not sure what that even means. Is it a comedy? Did like the shoulder roll when he’s dancing with Dr. Oz daughter.

Actually, I might buy it if he was dancing cheek-to-cheek with Dr Oz himself lol

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

He has such an open, boyish face, and that worked well for him when he was playing the hunky virgin in S1. He needs more gravitas now. Balfe looks the part of middle-aged woman who is aging well and is still beautiful. Hopefully in his acting he is adding that - in off-set videos like this one he tends to be his more boyish (and gay) self, which is fine; the issue is getting in character. He has the height and deep voice as assets to work with, and a little stubble would go aways too. But he has to act it. I thought it was only there in his scenes with David Berry. And I'm NOT saying gay actors can't bring this, for the record. Many have. We see glimpses from him. Just that he didn't in S3, whether that was the poor writing that didn't know who the character was, or costuming, or his interpretation.

I do wonder about the bangs - is that coming from his vanity about the balding and the high forehead? 18th century men tended to pull or sweep their hair back (whether their own, or wigs). Most movies and TV shows take some liberties with period hairstyles that we perceive today to be ugly (check out all 1970s and 1980s historical fiction movies and see how much they look, well, 1970s and 1980s). But this show has most of the men in hairstyles that at least approximate the pulled back style - Lord John, Hal, both Ians, ship captains, sailors, soldiers - except for maybe Jamie and arguably Fergus. The bangs make no sense historically and they don't look at all good either, unlike his S1 own-hair look. His best hair look last season was the formal wig at the Governor's Ball that at least looked more accurate and actually gave him a little more of that missing gravitas. Away from powdered wigs, his character should have hair pulled back in a ponytail. More like S2. The bangs are baffling.

You would think Dresbach would have some influence in the historical wig area but I guess that's where her influence ends and the cosmetology-intern-joke shop-fright-wig department takes over.

You would think Sam would want to look better and have some influence over be provided with a decent wig -- not something that looks like a dead animal on top of his head. He is the star of the show.

r28 to r34. I like your interesting input about was Sam Heughan's character does.

This is not a OL fan group here.

This is thread No 27 about gay Sam Heughan.

So please be so kind and post your thoughts somewhere else.

You are always welcome here to discuss LBTQ issues..

@R35. Respectfully, I disagree. I don't think discussion of the guy's acting and costuming, in his main show in which he is a star, qualifies as being a fan club for Outlander per se. I will expect the same kind of discussion about his looks and demeanor and acting chops this summer when his spy comedy comes out.

There's only so much that can be said about his being gay (which he is, but as we all know, he's hiding it), and frankly the endless discussion about the beard and his and her interactions, such as they are, gets tedious. We need a few posts about his balding and how he's addressing that as the romantic lead. Just for variety. ;) Another topic might be how his physique has changed since 2013 / S1 and how his body is holding up.

All of this is actually relevant for his acting prospects post-Outlander - alongside the issue of whether he'll ever come out again and the pressures HW placed on that decision. Does he have any shot at other hetero hunk leading man roles?

I agree with R36 that there's a distinction between following an actor's career trajectory and being a fawning, slobbering, sycophantic stalker-fan tumblrina. Heughan has played many gay roles we admire and just happens to be playing this absurd fantasy unicorn "straight" character and we have things to say about the production, the budget (or lack theroef), the costumes, hair, makeup, plot (or lack thereof), direction (or lack thereof) script, age differences and anything else we would notice about his current gig. Mercifully, it will end someday and we'll be discussing his other, better roles, we hope.

r36. Interesting post. In my opinion and what my gay friends say, who met him, he is a very nice adorable guy. As he self stated, he was raised from Hippies. Which have you to think, because he is born 1982, so Hippies time was already done. His father, who left the family, (and who gave him the genetic lottery gens), when he was two years old, was a Steiner school teacher. In the earlier days of OL, Sam gave a lot of interesting, thoughtful intervies not hiding his sexuality. The real Sam, knows what he is, it is a pity, that he choosed the closeting, which he, big points for him, has reduced to the lowest point

He was always gay, for them to read in between the lines. He tried not really to hide it. All his interacting with straight Steven McCree.

Posting their banter on SM. Talking about officially of "9 of 10" Steven Crees testicles and dick.

Sam is gay and probably a bottom, and 55 years of my life and every day more are telling me, that I am right to spread this here.

I didn't see "r601" on the previous thread until it was closed, so can't reply directly to that. But my my my, someone's done some homework!

R 39 The picture r601on the previous thread is on that thread or another a few times. What do you mean you can’t reply to it ? Just wondering what you mean about homework. Or do you mean R38 post? That post has a couple of things we haven’t heard before; R38 has gay friends who know Sam and he’s a bottom! Please expand on this new info R38!

R34 The show is pushing Cait as the star. Sam is the hunk who's there to show his but. The sooner he gets out of this ridiculous show, the better.

r40. There is not much more I can add. And I have to correct myself, Sam is born 1980. As I told, I am, for some reasons familiar with the gay scene in Germany. So this is, for some purposes, a small world. The most of my PR world is about sports, sometimes movie and TV. Sidenote: I have also written articles (PR and real journalism) about carwash for high speed trains and ladies stockings and convertible couches. I have travelled the world and met a lot of people.

To come back to the topic: If you are an Insider, whom people trust, in the small, gay world, you will meet after a couple of years the same people over and over. Or you meet new persons, but because it is a small world, they know someone or are connected to them, because ... It is a small world. And there is a lot of gossip to share. But gossip always has a true core. Gay gossip, told you by a gay Insider, is most of the time very close to the truth. Because openly gay people are careful , what to tell and whom to tell. Please understand, that I see and feel no need to explain more about my knowledge. But you can be sure, that I know, what I am talking about. And that I am talking about reliable sources. And. The bottom thing... Well, who has having eyes can see.

R42 Thank you for the input. I wonder what is the role of Caitirona in all this. Is she just a colleague? Is she a real friend? Or he paid her to be his beard in the beginning....

r43. I don’t think Caitriona was ever a paid beard. I think they get along, close friends even. Importantly they were two relative unknowns leading a new cable show. Showmance got publicity at the beginning of S1 , which they needed. They played it up to get the show noticed. Perhaps they took it too far and stirred up a fanzone they didn’t know how to let down and it all got a little out of hand. So they bought Mauzy as on/off gf, conveniently on another continent.

R43 Yep, plus as a former model she has lots of gay friends. So no prejudices on her part. Sam looks most comfortable around her. She even defends him when journalists and fans treat him like meat.

Yep. r45. Anyone who is really interested in real Sam Heughan should read his Interview with UK Gay Magazin. I ve posted the link on the last thread. And there is his 45 minutes long Interview on YT to find, where he talks very thoughtful about himself and his Charakter. And there is another print Interview with him in the gay magazin "Attitude". We've spent half a thread a years ago, to find it and post it. Please someone else will dig on former threads to find it and post it again. It is a great Insider view to the real Sam Heughan.

Thanks, R42, I always appreciate your insider perspective, hon. Now, tell us more about meeting Freddy Mercury at that gay bar in Munich, pretty please?

If Sam were to come out do you think the fans that go to the cons would show up and pay that kind of money to see him? I have read that stars can make more money at a con than an episode for their series.

R48 No, they won't. Sam is making money of horny middle aged women who have erotic dreams about him. Gay Sam won't work for them.

Sam can make more at a con. Hah! That's funny. It's all a con. For a worthy cause, of course.

Cons are huge money spinners and they can still work the circuit after a show ends. They’re tightly controlled, with fawning fans paying through the nose to meet and greet, often scripted questions to prepare cute answers. Nice ego boost.

Yet HW is the loudest when it comes to treating all fairly and with respect. Like thieves crying that someone stole from them. Hypocrites, all.

I'm a horny middle aged woman that fantasizes about Sam Heughan, gay or not! Hope that's okay! There's enough for all of us to drool over!

R53 I meant no offence. I'm glad you won't change your mind if he comes out. But I'm sure many will.

I hope, I even believe, that there's a significant set of his and the show's hetero female fans who would be supportive of him if he came out. Many (not all) of them are pink hatters who support LGBT rights and they'd feel protective just as they do of their own gay sons, brothers, co-workers. I think Sam and everyone, even we here, might be surprised by the breadth and depth of support for an authentic gay Sam among his female fans.

Risks, yes, especially to earnings. Con money - agree, that stream is based on a kind of collective delusion that somehow paying hundreds if not thousands of dollars for a quick scripted moment and photo is a chance of a lifetime. That might change if the Sam = Jamie fantasy was interrupted.

So, risky. But how long can cons last for OL? I know it has a rabid fan base, but once the show is over, won't there be a new, pretty thing? There's Sam's hopes for a post-OL career; guess we'll see where that goes. I'm not convinced he's got so many hetero romantic roles in his future. The Jamie thing has been a unicorn in more than one aspect.

All these risks to be weighed against being able to live life and live openly - priceless, according to those celebrities who have come out. But, clearly, that hasn't been his calculation so far.

I've said this before but here goes. I̲F̲ he were gay and he came out he would lose a large part of his fan base. Not because he is gay but because women would feel they could no longer fantasize about him because the fantasy could never come true. They would move onto someone that they think it might be possible to actually have a relationship with. There was a point where women were saying on Twitter if they found out he was gay that would be it for them. this is a big part of why gay men stay in the closet in HW. You can't be a heartthrob to women if you are a gay man. Most of the fan base for men comes from women. Women in their unrealistic dreams think that maybe, just maybe they can have a relationship and marry the person they idolize. If he wasn't such a heartthrob it might be different. Not sure why you can't see this.

Speaking of cons, we were delighted to see Sam Heughan dance the Gay Gordons at SDCC with our own little Beard to the Stars and former Janet Jackson backup dancer, Jenna Dewan Tatum. On so many levels, it was the gayest! The poor boy should seriously consider bearding up.

(r54) No offense taken! Good looking and sexy is just that, and when I see it, I have no problem with the fantasy route. I guess it never occurred to me to wonder if they are gay or not because seriously, what are my chances. Zero to none. Not to mention my darling husband of 40 years provides the real thing.

Same for me r53. Welcome to the Club. Nice to meet you.

HW wants everyone to think R56’s viewpoint represents some monolithic female demographic that justifies their continuing oppression of gays and exploitation of gay shame. Meanwhile, millenials and many others like R53 are not part of that demographic.

For r47. I moved to Augsburg, which is close to Munich 1983 because I ve got a place for studying tourism, which was my favourite goal in those times (the PR and writing stuff came later). I was in my early 20s and my first appartment was in a house in the historical inner city of Augsburg. In the same house was a well known restaurant owned by a gay couple. In those time a very popular place to go. I became friends with them, I was working at their restaurant many evenings as a servant (You know, those Jobs keep you surviving as a student). A classical Theater was just around the corner. So I met all those gay actors, Ballett dancers and hairdressers. People from costume and make-up. My very good looking 10 years older boyfriend in this time, was very attractive for the gay guys. So we were invited to a lot of inner circle parties. A very good, long time friend of those times, who is now a well known travestie star in Europe took me one day to the Munich gay scene at the "Glockenbachviertel". HIV was not a theme in those times. That was the time I met Freddy Mercury and Barbara Valentin. I cant remember the place, but it was probably at the legendary "Deutsche Eiche" or the bar called "Old Mrs. Henderson". Those were wild times.

r60. Great insight! Chapeau!

I agree too, R60. The comment at 56 represents a monolithic and outdated view. Perspectives have shifted a lot in just the last 15 years. Also, I know the slobbering fans take up a lot of the oxygen, but I don't think most women who watch OL are fantasizing about getting in bed with Heughan the actor. That's a simplistic understanding of how women approach erotica and romance, basically (though that's another long topic and off-thread). That's not to say there wouldn't be blowback in coming out. I just think it would be a more complicated, and ultimately mostly supportive, response, than 56 suggests.

In one of our past threads a poster talked about a very interesting article stating that HW studios aim their marketing towards action hero movies because the biggest spender among movie goers are young men. We all know the suits in HW have archaic ideas about sexuality, so a hunky gay man like Sam would have a hard time as a gay man. HW doesn’t care that much about what women watch.

HW is slow to learn, and it's run by the straight, white, rich guys in general. But the industry is shifting. With streaming and home entertainment systems, patterns of movie-going are changing. Niche entertainment sells. The "sure-fire" action movies (Big Whatever Hetero Hero VII) don't necessarily draw the audiences to justify big FX budgets. Movies with women and African Americans are doing better (Wakanda is supposedly great, btw - watch this weekend's box office). Slowly we are seeing more LGBT characters at the center of films or even casually in side characters in films like Lady Bird. Millenials and their younger siblings want a full spectrum of representation. Women actually make box office and streaming decisions in many households - whether to go out or stay home. HW is way behind the curve, but as the generational shift happens, and the boomers retire, they'll get there, because money and what sells to the next generations.

Maybe not in time for Sam, though. It will be the kids who are Adam Rippon's age and younger who will benefit. Remember when Johnny Weir didn't think he could be out (officially--not like it was a secret)? That was less than a decade ago.

Are the gays going to go and pay high fees to have their picture taken with Sam.? If he wants his middle age customers to continue to slobber over him ,I think it would be a difficult choice to come out. DL has opened my eyes,and all I see now is gay Jamie dry humping a Claire who is not so interested. The chemistry is gone.

R66. Do you expect all the actors in all the shows you love to be the characters they play? I thought there were problems with the S3 writing, production, and yes, some of the acting. S1 wasn't a better season because Sam and Cait were in love. They were never in love. Love or hate OL, S1 was just better storytelling. It had nothing to do with the sexual orientation or personal lives of the actors.

If you knew George Clooney was gay (as widely rumored, despite or in the face of his marriage and babies), would you think he wasn't sexy in ER and in many of his movies? Many, many, many, many leading men have been gay. That's who's in drama class in high school, and that's who's in acting (not only, but disproportionately).

I don't get the need to make the actors embody the characters. Like Ian McKellan is Gandalf IRL? We aren't capable as human beings of separating the story from the storyteller? From what I can see, the younger generations have a more fluid perspective about all this. Let's hope.

[quote]DL has opened my eyes,and all I see now is gay Jamie dry humping a Claire who is not so interested. The chemistry is gone.

Oh, please, it's not DL's fault. Gay actors can play straight characters and romantic leads quite effectively, as we've always said and as R67 so eloquently explains. What we saw in S1 was a more masculine looking actor who was 25 lbs. heavier. But we rarely saw him being sexually aggressive. He was usually always on the bottom.

I never thought they were in love. The chemistry IMO is gone, for whatever reason. Maybe they are bored,(like I am) with this ridiculous program. When I said DL opened my eyes it was to Sam's' gay qualities this thread shows day in day out in pictures. I had never noticed before,or even thought about it. This thread has made some compelling arguments. What is it you say. Gay Sam for them or Sam is gay.

r69. By the way, what a great number...

No, there chemistry is not gone. May be in your eyes. Your perception has changed, because of new Informationstechnik you have got. Small reminder: Sometimes you see something, which has attract you never before. But as you recognized it, voilà , quelle surprise you will start to see this very clear every time. So, being told that Sam is gay and believing that, you will probably watch his acting in a different way.

I think many of the problems with S3, the "lack of chemistry" or whatever, had to do with bad source material and a writers' room that didn't adapt that story to be stronger. The books' strengths (don't @ me; I see their serious problems, I'm not a slobbering fan, but not for nothing they've sold a bajillion copies) don't translate to screen because those strengths, such as they are, are description and scene-setting. Not action and definitely not plot, aka rapelander and characters who bump into each other all over the world. And there is the problem that Jamie is a Mary Sue / unicorn. That works well enough in the initial romance but it gets tedious as the show goes on. It's more apparent onscreen than in the books.

Anyway. I also thought SH was a little off in the acting in S3. Not terrible, but not as good as S1. Was that the writing? The editing? He got the worst lines from book, for sure. Romantic but not real. Or -- was he distracted last year by all his marketing work off-set? Or by the pressures of being a brand, including being Hetero Heughan and having to hide himself more and more? Hard to know.

I do know that being gay IRL didn't make his acting unsexy with Balfe's character in S1. It's possible that closeting is making him a less-good actor as time goes on. Or maybe he just got bad lines and plots. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

It's a transitional time. Coming out would be a risk. I bet he wouldn't regret it, but obviously that's not how he sees it right now.

To be honest. And after all those threads and posts.

He, himself is doing the closeting not very hard.

He shows up with the beard sometimes as a plus one.

In the meantime he is just living his life under the radar with his friend. Which may be actually Duncan Lacroix. Duncan also never talked about his sexuality. May be, because he was never asked or british people think, that there is nothing to talk about. By the way, watch "A very british sex scandal" availiable on YT.

I don't think Brits care about who's gay and who's not. They have the bloody Elton John ffs. And Graham Norton - although Irish - is UK best talk show host, he's openly gay. Are there any gay talk show hosts in USA except Ellen?

r73 I don’t think it is such an issue here in the UK. We have many highly regarded gay actors, Rupert Everett , Ben Wishaw, Alan Cummings, Ian McKellan, Simon Callow to name but a few, all of which have carved out successful careers. I think it becomes a problem when you want to make big bucks in HW.

I think Sam has always wanted to be a big deal in HW. He said in articles (before he was muzzled and gave fairly real answers) that he went to audition many,many times in HW and the carrot was dangled, but never got parts. The failure of his 1st big breaks in Alexander for instance. He seems pretty persistent with a goal, so I think he wants the HW parts. I think he’ll be good in that spy movie, but I don’t think it’ll be big hit.jmo

Not discounting that Duncan Lacroix could be gay, but I see Sam having a fling with Stanley Weber more than Lacroix. Seems like more his type (masculine and beautiful). And Weber is always saying suggestive things on Sam's social media. Like today, on Sam's Shrove Tuesday / pancake IG post: "my Saint Germain cane is inches away from you cheeky bum."

Whatever. It's public banter so we can't take it too seriously. To be clear, I don't know anything, just speculating! I just wouldn't be shocked if I heard they had some good times together while filming. If I had to bet, I'd say Sam doesn't have anyone permanent in his life these days. Which is not to say not seeing people. People meaning men.

[quote] I see Sam having a fling with Stanley Weber more than Lacroix. Seems like more his type (masculine and beautiful). And Weber is always saying suggestive things on Sam's social media. Like today, on Sam's Shrove Tuesday / pancake IG post: "my Saint Germain cane is inches away from you cheeky bum."

Hmmmm......xd

Sam flirting back......

What's Weber's dating history?

[quote]DL has opened my eyes,and all I see now is gay Jamie dry humping a Claire who is not so interested. The chemistry is gone.

and there you have it. this person now believing that he is gay sees him in a whole new light. perfect example of what would happen. now go over and read the comments on IG of him posing in the Barbour shirt and tell me all the women fawning over him are old and none of them are looking at him as a sexual object for themselves. then think about what those comments would be if he said he was gay or if he would even have half of those comments.

Have we considered that straight males are far more homophobic than the horny ladies, and Sam closets because that's the demographic watching the movies that have the roles Sam wants, i.e. James Bond?

I won't be a bit surprised; and can't wait until Sam's middle-aged, middle America fans start to fantasize about Sam and other men. I can get down like that. Seriously, I'm a Sam fan for all the right and wrong reasons, and not the least bit ashamed to admit that I fantasize about him sexually. Fantasy is part of grown-ass, healthy sexuality. That fact that he may or may not be gay has absolutely no consequence to me, as I doubt I am ever going to have a clandestine meet-cute with him at my local post office. Private Sam deserves love and happiness of his own definition, just as we all do. Public Sam has probably helped burn through more batteries than a faulty flashlight, and I think that is an important thing to consider. A lot of women lose their sexual identity as they age. Life is rough and we all have ish to do. But I carry my imagination with me, and it has served me well. If he did come out, those that have true goodwill toward him but none for lgbt may re-examine some of their preconceived notions of gay men. And maybe it leads to the..ahem..slippery slope of fantasizing about 2 hot, built, well hung lads with thick accents and thicker...socks.

R82 Exactly!

R82 To add to this, the beard has done absolutely nothing for Sam. His idiotic PR thinks it makes him look hetero for the horny ladies, but it's only pissed them off. I believe beard was brought in for the benefit of the straight male, to get them on board. Admiration for Sam with this young, blonde, athletic chick with the wraparound lips.

I see someone like Adam Rippon being himself and silently - by his mere presence and his insistence on being true to himself - telling anyone who doesn't like it to fuck off. I wish Sam "lived" in that kind of world. For the most part, the media is eating out of Adam Rippon's hand and they love his "give no fucks" attitude. Or maybe that's just me. He joked about being America's new sweetheart, but he really kind of is at the moment. Anyway, I can't help but wonder how things might have been if Sam had taken that approach to fame (or if he'd been allowed to??). When I think about the impact Adam Rippon is having on gay youth, who see themselves represented in such a positive way, it makes me that much sadder that Sam either chose to ... or was forced to ... closet.

r40 - My original post about that photo is referenced above in r4. Those are my remarks, although someone else was kind enough to find and post the photo. Here and there since that original post, there have been a couple of guesses about the unidentified man I was referring to. My post above, referencing r601 on the previous thread, was a wink and a nod that whoever posted r601 was/is on the right track. When I said I couldn't reply to r601 I meant I couldn't reply directly on *that* thread, because it was closed. Sorry if that was confusing :)

r40 - To clarify a little further, I'm none too cleverly trying to say something without saying anything, which I'm sure is clear as mud. I'm just really, really reluctant to come right out and name someone who is not famous, especially since I have no inside information and could very well be wrong ....

[quote]To add to this, the beard has done absolutely nothing for Sam. His idiotic PR thinks it makes him look hetero for the horny ladies, but it's only pissed them off.

I disagree.

Some horny middle aged Outlander ladies have bought the bearding because they need a 'straight' Sam to fantasize about him and his 'Golden Dirk'. They love the beards and live vicariously these fake gfs.

*they live vicariously through these fake gfs*

R87 Thankyou for explaining. I’m easily confused but I get your explanation- thanks

Word, R85. Great post.

[quote]I'm just really, really reluctant to come right out and name someone who is not famous, especially since I have no inside information and could very well be wrong ....

Good onya, R87. I agree with your decision.

Related: It’s been two years since Shawn Balentine made the decision to come out publicly and become the very first openly gay stunt man in the industry.

[quote]Despite a public reputation for being liberal and aspiring to diversity, the entertainment industry is still shot through with lingering homophobia, a grim reality which had made the decision to come out one of the scariest things – despite being a military combat veteran and working at a job where he subjects himself to physical danger every day of his life — he has ever faced.

[quote]“I went to a stunt workshop with my union, which is SAG, and at a talkback with the audience, one of the questions was ‘have you ever worked with an LGBT person?’ The VP of the union was there, and she started laughing when the panel said ‘yeah, a couple of hairdressers.’ Everybody in the audience went completely quiet and turned towards me. If it was just that, it would have been okay – but the next question was, ‘why are there not any openly gay members in any of the stunt associations?’ The answer, from someone who had just gotten through talking about how much diversity they had promoted within the union, was ‘you keep that shit to yourself, otherwise you’re never going to get work in this industry.’ Again, everybody shut up and stared directly at me. Advocate and Out Magazine both put that story out there, but nothing has ever happened.” Does he think he was the intended target of these remarks? “100 per cent.”

[quote]When any behind-the-scenes people who are LGBT feel that their life is in danger, or if they are not getting work because of their sexual orientation, or are called a ‘faggot’ on the set, who do we go to? We don’t have advocates the way that actors do.

[quote]It hasn’t been the easiest, but I have a lot of friends. And some of the people that were giving me a really hard time are now apologizing for their actions – and I think it’s really cool to see the growth in people.

[quote]So two years later, does he regret coming out? “No, because now I can breathe. I can look into the mirror and like who I see.”

Middle aged frau here. I fantasize about Sam knowing he's gay. Just like Cavill and Hiddleston. What's the difference? I would never in a million years have a shot with them: gay or straight, but, in my fantasies, I can have whoever I want. That sounds super creepy but it is what it is. You have to be able to separate fantasy from reality.

IMO in my fantasy I enjoy watching actors making love that have an attraction for one another, not ones that are going against their natures. I feel that it is uncomfortable for them and distracts from the performance. Their are many examples of this in HW. Sam and Cait have been phoning it in since season 2 IMO.

R95 They are both tired of this stupid production. Too bad they've signed 7 years contracts.

[quote]Too bad they've signed 7 years contracts.

Wow, born of sheer desperation, no doubt. Funny how it evokes the Golden Age studio system of the past. A lot can happen in seven years.

[quote]Studios also owned their stars and their private lives. Each star had to sign a 7-year contract. This meant they were tied to the studio boss / ‘mogul’ for 7 years. The mogul would mold the star to become what he and the public wanted not only on screen but also off it. Love lives and marriages were made and destroyed, star ‘looks’ were created and bad behaviour hidden then punished.

Ironically, not much has changed in Tinseltown.

R97 As Sam says, everything is controlled.

Valentine's video from Outlander cast. Cait calls Sam "Sally" lol

R99, Cait loves outing him.....lol

[quote]By the way, watch "A very british sex scandal" availiable on YT.

Here's the vid:

Why is Cait doing it? And he always laughs.

Come on, he knows what she’s going to say. He invited it.

It's the kind of joking banter a la Will & Grace that would make a lot of sense if he were out about being gay. Since he's (more or less) not out, it seems a little .... aggressive? Also, what's that pearl necklace joke? This whole thing seems like an outtake. Agree, R102, he knew it was coming .... they probably joke around like this on set, aka Will & Grace. It's just funny how they put it right out there alongside the bearding.

Cesar and Rik are both easy to look at, aren't they?

R103 She's engaged and he made that joke. Tasteless.

Is Cesar in the closet as well?

R104. It's not tasteless - or, I mean, it is in one sense, but not because she's engaged. It's exactly the kind of raunchy banter that straight women and their best gay boyfriends - aka Will & Grace - make all the time. I mean, it's classic. It doesn't matter that she's engaged - she could be married, and no one would care, including her husband, because her gay boyfriend is in a different category. More like a BFF. And Cait is used to this scene from the fashion world. She's comfortable. It's just interesting that they choose to show this face to the public given his closeting.

They’ve always shown this face to the world. What’s different is that Balfe’s a lot less deferential to Heughan since she started getting the award nods.

She's getting the nods, he's getting the fans, they're both getting money,

[quote] It's exactly the kind of raunchy banter that straight women and their best gay boyfriends - aka Will & Grace - make all the time. I mean, it's classic. It doesn't matter that she's engaged - she could be married, and no one would care, including her husband, because her gay boyfriend is in a different category. More like a BFF. And Cait is used to this scene from the fashion world. She's comfortable. It's just interesting that they choose to show this face to the public given his closeting.

That's why Cait's bf, Tony Mcgill, has never been bothered by SamCait banter and innuendo. He knows that Sam is GAY and that he is not 'dangerous'...;)

Related: Studios are trying to prevent losses in the wake of #MeToo, but Hollywood "morality clauses" have always been bad news for gays.

[quote]As a result of the reckoning around sexual harassment and abuse, companies that produce content have increasingly turned to adding morality clauses to contracts to ensure that bad behavior won’t cost the studios a dime. But “morality” is subjective and slippery and hearkens to a time when LGBT actors were forced by their contracts to remain closeted.

[quote] Fox... is attempting to bring back a “morality clause” that calls for termination of a contract “if the talent engages in conduct that results in adverse publicity or notoriety or risks bringing the talent into public disrepute, contempt, scandal or ridicule,” according to The Hollywood Reporter.

[quote]Still, with the fuzziness around what constitutes “moral turpitude,” the language used in many of the contracts to stem the tide of paying out sexual predators, LGBT performers could be at risk of studios attempting to shove them back in the closet. And the use of such clauses to force queer performers to present as straight both personally and professionally doesn't only hail all the way back to the heyday of the studio system when actors like Rock Hudson were forced into "lavender marriages" for the sake of the studios's reputations.

In 2015, -when Sam was in the glass closet, remember his gay Batman for #lovewins-, he chose to post this pic for St Valentine Day.......

And this year for Valentine ‘s day he tweeted a picture of a hand knitted cock sock? Just so we don’t forget about his dick. That combined with his V day message with Balfe about giving her a “pearl necklace “. Don’t they edit this shit at Starz or are we being reminded how hetero he is . On the heels of #Me Too seems very weird to make a sexual innuendo that all women find offensive.

It was spring of 2016 when the bearding / closeting went up a notch, right? It's just interesting to see when and how they call the contracted girlfriend into action, and how much leeway he takes to joke around (lightly), show up at drag clubs, etc., in between beard sightings. It's like closeting with tinted glass door.

R112 agree it was kind of a weird thing for Starz to post, although they do like to sell sex. I don't think "all women" find that term offensive; it's just raunchy and thus a little weird for broad release. Given the pearl necklace on the show, it's a stupid joke you might laugh over on a night out after a few drinks with the girls (or with your gay bestie boyfriend). Not #metoo in that context. It would be if your boss said it, or a stranger.

r90, you are welcome and r91, thank you!

Re: Cait always "outing" Sam in interviews ... I flip flop back and forth about that. Sometimes I think it's rude. Other times ... If I had a close gay friend who was (presumably) being forced to pretend to be something he's not, that would bother me a lot. Sometimes I think her blatant, snarky comments are her way of giving the powers-that-be a giant middle finger on Sam's behalf - being transparent for him when he doesn't have that luxury.

Other days I think I'm giving her too much credit and she's just painfully self-absorbed and unaware.

On other other days I think I have surely given this way too much thought and should just probably go out with pals for tacos and margaritas. :)

The power dynamic between them definitely shifted. She’s always poked fun at him but it’s become a bigger, harder stick.

In my opinion, Cait doesn't give a fuck if they try to hide Sam's gayness. Truly, not even Sam does. He is always using gay terms in SM and if he were really concerned about this mess, he would try to be more convincing when near his beard. For Cait, this is just natural, she lived in an environment full of gay men and she is used to it. Maybe they are too much intimate to avoid talking freely about it. Maybe it's intentional, like saying "WTF, let them think what they want to" . Who knows? In the end, I think she's right to not restrain herself, and it doesn't bother him at all - he always laughs at it. It seems like an internal joke between the two of them. When Sam is besides Cait, he clearly seems more relaxed, feeling free, but, protected in a certain way, because he knows that she understands him... A beautiful Will and Grace friendship for sure.

Sam's combover in the Valentine's Day promo is cringe-inducing, but *this* bit of wayback is actually pretty sweet.

If you ever doubted that Purv is full of shit, her take on Outlander's Valentine’s video should seal that deal for you. She is attempting to argue with a straight face that Sam’s pearl necklace remark was a literal reference to Jamie giving Claire his mother’s necklace. Please.

*not full of shit

Purv and her SHAMzies minions are making excuses and grasping at straws to explain why there wasn't a St Valentine's post from the SHAMzie 'couple', lol

MM keeps trying to link herself to Outlander. She has started to follow David Berry and has liked Berry's Valentine post. Acording to Purv, those likes are another signal of shamzie going strong....haha

If they were a real couple, shamzie would have spent Valentine's Day together.

Sam couldn't look more gay in that VD video and he all that cock talk/sock on TW - very immature. That chemistry test though. From artistic point of view it's very hard for two people to hit it off from the start. Sam and Cait did. Who says your soulmate must be the person you have sex with - it could be your friend.

Awwww, R122, that is so sweet and so true. I agree, Sam and Cait have a deep love and friendship. I hope they hang on to that. I don’t think she tries to put him down or embarrass him, I think they know what they can get away with saying. I don’t think she would ever disrespect his sexuality. AND...Purv is straight up delusional and MM is a troll.

Jeez, people now say Sam needs a beard to cover his relationship with Sophie Skelton - she plays his daughter in the show. lol

Awww, David Berry and his wife on Valentine's Day. Awww... *record scratch* Now there's an example of a straight guy cast to play a gay role who couldn't convince us that he was hot and hungry for another man. Epic fail.

I'm sorry, was there some confusion?

Please let us know if Sam or MM "like" the gay pearl necklace gif?

David Berry wasn't the problem imo. The writers were afraid of the gay content. Even Sam didn't want to do the scene when he offers himself to LJ, one of producers had to convince him. He didn't feel Jamie would do that. Or...he was scared to do it.

I agree that Jamie would not have offered himself in that era. I thought it was weird when I read it in the book.

[quote]all that cock talk/sock on TW - very immature

That's classic Heughan and typical of Scorpio moon types - they're constantly joking about sex. Remember when he was discovered joking on TW "I love you loads.xxx" and it would create a link to a po*rn site? He didn't think fans knew what he was doing and someone called him out.

R130 Caitriona isn't better than him. They've been doing it for years and now they had to stop because of her engagement. Sam can't help himself and Caitriona is trying to look scandalized. Both of them seem ingenuine. Ex shippers are disgusted.

[quote]Ex shippers are disgusted.

Oh, heaven forfend! Please spare us. These are the same people reading Gabaldon's violent, rapey bodice-ripper drivel over and over again.

[quote]I agree that Jamie would not have offered himself in that era

That may be true and it was one scene. Berry wasn’t convincing as a gay man in any scene.

I just think the pearl necklace comment on the VD video is strange. That was produced,scripted,edited by a billion dollar corporation selling a tv show. It’s not a promo for porn, why would they allow that? Then he tweeted “anybody want a pearl necklace? in case We didn’t hear it the first time. I think it’s weird for Lionsgate etc.

Maybe he’s trying to get out of his contract.

He's playing the hetero innuendo guy. With Balfe engaged he can no longer use her, so he's selling himself this way. Dare I say, ugly way. I'm sure Lionsgate are aware.

you have to remember that most people don't dissect, stalk and obsess over every move and every word and every innuendo that Sam does as you do here..

r135. There is no need for him getting out of his seven year contract. Why should he? It is foreseable when it be will end. And it is probably connected with guaranteed big money. Really big money. Not us earning money. A Million or 1.2 Million a year, even he has to give half of it to taxes, paying his site asisstans outside OL, his own PR. He is now a rich guy. He will never been in the Situation like he was before Jamie. As he said in Interviews, he did everything for a job and earning money. Pizza delievering, selling womens clothes!, working as a Catering servant....

Even when OL is done, Barbour gone there is still his MPC (which I am a beneficiary of),so he has never to ask in his future for money. He does not look like the guy spending his money for cars, drugs, yachts and planes. And, because he is gay, he do not need to spend money into prostitues.

Even if he wanted to, it wouldn't be easy to get off the contract. Sony owns his ass.

[quote]you have to remember that most people don't dissect, stalk and obsess over every move and every word and every innuendo that Sam does as you do here..

Says the troll who dissects, stalks and obsesses over this thread on DL.

You can tell the trolls because they're the ones bashing other posters.

I want everyone to believe I’m a polyamorous swinger with an 'open relationship' who doesn’t know what a pearl necklace is. The fact is, I’m a sexually frustrated, middle-aged woman married to a gay man and the only way I can get off is by obsessing over celebrities.

r142 Ha Ha! Caught you out again Purv!

r137. Ahem? May be you are wrong here? May be you should start on thread number one? You know, we have all discussed here, f exrom every source and from all of point of views.

To make it clear. This thread is about gay Sam Heughan. For the long time inhabtitants this is the fact. Sam Heughan is gay.

So, you are welcome here, if you want to drool with us,

r134. We just talk.

[quote]In my opinion, Cait doesn't give a fuck if they try to hide Sam's gayness. Truly, not even Sam does. He is always using gay terms in SM and if he were really concerned about this mess, he would try to be more convincing when near his beard. For Cait, this is just natural, she lived in an environment full of gay men and she is used to it. Maybe they are too much intimate to avoid talking freely about it. Maybe it's intentional, like saying "WTF, let them think what they want to" . Who knows? In the end, I think she's right to not restrain herself, and it doesn't bother him at all - he always laughs at it. It seems like an internal joke between the two of them. When Sam is besides Cait, he clearly seems more relaxed, feeling free, but, protected in a certain way, because he knows that she understands him... A beautiful Will and Grace friendship for sure.

Totally agree.

Cait knows that Sam looks great in a dress and he so is proud of it..........;)

r146. Here we go. Great post from r117, who really nit the nail. And summarizied everything we are talking about in 27 threads now.

And by the way, calling out our household troll as the poster at r18 was very helpful for our thread here.

r18. Chapeau to you. We are at 147 posts, and none of then were about who liked whos fucking stupid messages on SM.

It is getting gemütlich here. And I really like it.

Ah, and Sam. Now this a warmer place for you here.

Spot on comment. Sam must try harder with the beard.

R148 Noo! Don’t give him any ideas. He must try less with the beard.Stop the indignity!

[quote]Noo! Don’t give him any ideas. He must try less with the beard.Stop the indignity!

AMEN.

Sam and Cait .........and HIS party frock.......

For some reasons my new super new expensive laptop connecgs me to the Internet. But when opening the DL site, I am always told, that I am not authorized to reply. OK, world sucks sometimes.

So, please someone out here, will please so kind find and post the picture of a very private uncombed, dressed very leasure, Sam, wearing his glasses?

I know, that this a very private pic of him. But I also, that is just him. And that counts for me.

Great new interview/article about imo the real Sam.

r152. Nice find! Can someone post the Interview please?

Nothing we haven't already heard a million times before.

Agree R154. Cameron McNeish calling all the Peakers at the MPC event Outlander fans surprises me somewhat too. Is the organisation a fan club? I’d like to think that is not what Sam intended. Or maybe his ego is bigger than I thought. Kind of disappointing.

[quote]David Berry wasn't the problem imo. The writers were afraid of the gay content. Even Sam didn't want to do the scene when he offers himself to LJ, one of producers had to convince him. He didn't feel Jamie would do that. Or...he was scared to do it.

They also cut a kiss between Sam and David Berry.:((

And to think that Sam was used to play these kind of scenes daily on stage............

The Shamzie Queen really is desperate.. Crowing over the Swiss chef posting a picture of Sam and what is suppose to be the beard from over a year ago after Sam was in his restaurant. What Contemplating Outlander fails to mention is that the photo has been manipulated. The beards face was slapped onto someone else's face and body. It's definitely a bad photoshop. There was a blonde haired older woman in a few of the chefs photos during the same time Sam was in Zermatt. Oddly enough they have been deleted now from the account or perhaps not so odd if you understand the need to ramp up the bearding again. Jennifer Allen needs to push the charade into overdrive because Caitriona's engagement is being heard about in interviews almost daily now and the Sam is gay rumors have totally exploded.

r157. You are right. The Zermatt picture is probably manipulated. This is MM face, but not her body. Have a look on the owners page. There is a blonde one, his wife or business Partner.

I might be wrong. But Sam and the guy look both filigrane. May be it is the ankle how they are photographed. But this not MM.

And by the way. The other pic is not SDCC. It is Budapest as I remember.

So the shamzie queen is lying.......

See MM's last post in twitter. Sam needs to stay far away from the hypocrite beard. She and her entourage are FULL OF LIES.

Enough of what?????

Dang! This is not going to be good for MM.

Ahem. Sorry. Small reminder. This the thread about gay Sam Heughan

So DL does not allow a reply from my laptop. So please someone else does my homework. Look for Christin Heughan, Sams mom. Never seen pictures, inside view of our cutie Sam

R161 Yes, I know, I started this thread.

But we can't ignore that Gay Sam and his PR team are still promoting this trashy beard and that there are Outlander fraus protecting her 24/7 while pushing the PR shamzie fuckery.

r163. I know! Please track my Christin Heughan path

Sam wake the fuck up! This woman is an albatross around your neck. Her real personality continues to bleed through her carefully curated SM persona. Surely you’re better than this?

r165. In real life he does not care about her. But we have to be honest. She is a still little girl, dont forget, she was married for ?years a couple of months. Little does she know. She is a product of HW. And struggling for her future life

r165. Probably misunderstood. My reference was to Mauzy. Your to Balfe?

I think the picture you’re asking about was on one of these threads. Sam with his family opening a Christmas present? He’s just wearing a sweatsuit and glasses sitting on the couch. No hairdo and makeup just regular looking scruffy dude.

R166 Oh, of course I know that. I was more ranting against his PR team. I guess I wish he could take more of a stand because it reflects so badly on him.

I do take issue w/saying she’s a little girl to excuse her bad choices though. She’s almost 30 years old!

R167 I’m not sure which reply is yours you think I misunderstood but I was definitely referring to Mauzy. I also forgot to use a reply tag in my own message. I was replying directly to R159 but referencing the many past missteps of Ms Mauzy.

R163 I’v got the pic just don’t know How to post it here:(

R159 the user who asked this seems blocked now for me at least. Nothing like some good old censorship I suppose. Doesn’t look good at Sam being affiliatedwith a person like MM

r168 Yes. May you post it please here?

r170. Look a the box under the posting space. Easy to find. Copy and paste will do

R165 Lol. MM is the epitome of the basic bitch who has to pretend to be enlightened.

r169. Everything is fine. Gotit

Alrighty

Thank you R170 , worked. I thought you could upload photo’s too but a link works as well of course

R173 she is. I don’t believe Sam doesn’t know.

I talked to some people who worked with him on OL and to some others who are involved in the charities he supports. They either don’t know he’s gay or they don’t want to say he is gay. The beard was there in NY backstage at the cancer charity event that Sam and Caitriona attended(september). Sam must have known word would get out of her being there. Stop the charade dear Sam, you don’t need it.

R177, The event at the restaurant, with Sam and Cait? MM was not there. And Sam is gay. Everything that happens is a diversion from that fact.

Related: Heughan's no Alan Bates, but when it comes to closeted gay actors, there are similarities, such as being more courageous onscreen than in real life.

[quote]The clearly conflicted Bates was married and had children, yet in his personal life was frequently in gay relationships that had to be kept secret from the public.

[quote]A closeted gay man of that time had to be a virtuoso when it came to hiding in plain sight, and Bates sometimes seemed slightly tickled by this dilemma onscreen. He used it creatively, and this made for work that still has a fetching neither-here-nor-there flavor — both bold and shy, sometimes alternately and sometimes at the same time. This combination made him extremely attractive.

R178 no not the restaurant, at the bar of the hotel where the event was held. I by no means meant to imply he is not gay btw. I’m just getting tired of the whole show....hope it ends soon.

Edit: Cait was at the bar too

Uh, how is it news that Cait was at her own World Child Cancer charity event? I think we're seeing a trend of shills and Shamzies trying to rewrite history, because there's nothing in the present, to suggest or 'shop that the beard into events where she never was.

The beard was nowhere near that charity event, hotel, bar or otherwise. That is a lie. She was otherwise occupied.

R183 not trying to prove he is NOT gay at all. The founder of one of the charities had a drink with Sam, Cait and the beard at the bar of the hotel before the event. If this is not true then where was she...it doesn’t change anything anyway. He is still gay.

Ugh yeah the September event didn’t take place at a hotel.

There were photos of Sam arriving at the event. He arrived solo.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

I wonder if Sam is feeling the pressure, now Balfe is selling her engagement left and right.

Engagement shmagement. He should be feeling a bigger pressure that she’s getting award nods and he’s not.

R185 I didn’t even know that and never looked ip he event online. I just knew what I was told, must have been at Sam’s hotel before the event. I was told Sam invited him to have a drink with them at the bar and Sam was staying there under a different name. Cait and the beard were there too at the bar. They shared a taxi afterwards.(the person from the charity and Sam). This is what I know. Being honest here.

r187. Everything of her is fake. Scroll down her IG to 2015. There are pics of her with her natural brown hair coulor, without extensions and before her nose was done.

R190, what's your point? Yes, Sam and MM did the whole sleazy pap walk and other "look at me" sightings last September in NY. That was five months ago. No sightings together since then except her standing behind him in a taxi line in Glasgow a few weeks ago while he's more interested in his phone. She's a beard whose contract has been re-upped to some degree because more people than ever are acknowledging the elephant in the room -- Sam is gay.

R192 My point is that I don’t get it, why would he spend time with a person like MM at all? Even when there is no fans around. Why doesn’t anyone who worked with him wants to admit he is gay, why take the showmance to such a level as this.I just don’t understand at all. I believe he is a good person and all this is just disappointing. I even like the filosophy behind his MPC. It’s the contradiction that is such a shame. Come out already. There’s plenty of support.

The September charity event was run by a woman with help from several women. There was no him who told anyone anything about being there or running any part of that fundraiser. The beard was not at the restaurant nor did she stay at the same hotel as Sam and Cait, she stayed with friends in Williamsburg (Brooklyn). Nor was the beard anywhere near the premiere or Barbour launch. Her role was planted photos at two different evening events including a concert where Sam was with handlers/the beard with friends and they met in a designated spot to have a picture taken by a photographer on Starz payroll plus one planted fake pap walk. I'd bet Sam spent very little time in the beards company that week but it was made to look like a lot more. Totally smoke and mirrors.

R194 I know it was run by OL fans/women. I meant the people of WCC and Cahonas. Doesn't matter anyway, I know of the pap walk but why also invite them all to the hotel. I guess I am naive, just dissappointed. The latter was my point. I can only hope it has ended.

I totally agree with the smoke and mirrors. No other explanation.

No one around him talks about it because of a combination of strict NDAs about the private lives of the stars that all who join the production sign, plus a code of silence / protectiveness / closed ranks in the film industry about closeted actors.

No idea what's up with the hotel bar thing, or whether it's true or not, but obviously she was on duty that week, and they know each other and are probably friendly in the way that actors on the same show are (and they are acting in the same show, aren't they, the show of HeteroHeugan). The larger patterns that point to a contracted show relationship don't change with these sightings. If anything, they're reinforced.

R197 thanks for your insight. The reinforcing of the whole show is exactly what I am dissappointed about. Too bad. Stand up Sam.

[quote]Sam wake the fuck up! This woman is an albatross around your neck. Her real personality continues to bleed through her carefully curated SM persona. Surely you’re better than this

[quote]Lol. MM is the epitome of the basic bitch who has to pretend to be enlightened.

[quote]The beard was not at the restaurant nor did she stay at the same hotel as Sam and Cait, she stayed with friends in Williamsburg (Brooklyn)

Wake up Sam and stop this PR mess:

A chilly 18miles walk for Sam. And Cesar Domboy has liked Sam's pic.

According to SHAMzie standards, that means 'true love'.

#reallovewins, lol

From every picture seen, it definitely looks like Sam is not friends with the beard. He can't even act his way out of the dislike it appears he has for her and the charade. I read a comment that he looks constipated when he has to be photographed with her and totally agree. There's still no ease or comfort after almost two years. If he thought of her as a friend there would and more. He must play the role but it truly seems like he hates it and perhaps the beard as well.

I don't know if he dislikes the beard (she may be basic but she's probably pleasant enough) as much as he dislikes the charade. He was out once. It has to make him uncomfortable to play this game, which is a notch up from just "keeping personal life private."

She doesn't seem terribly bright or ambitious, and he seems semi intelligent and definitely ambitious (as noted by the bearding and shilling). How many people who are the latter genuinely enjoy spending time with someone who's the former? If you have to spend time with someone who's decent company you usually don't look like you're waiting for an escape route.

The photo with Sam and MM at the restaurant in Jan 17 is not photoshopped. It’s included in a video he posted on his Instagram for Valentines Day.

Meant to post the info dan_daniell_official on Instagram

R204=R205=SHAMzie Troll

That was the restaurant where people can sing ABBA's songs?? xd

GAY Sam for her

R199 indeed he shouldn’t want to be associated with people like that🤢 How can he stand all this....

There’s more chemistry between Sam and his fans on the average fan pic than with the beard.

R204 ancient history, they were in Swiss so long ago....both posted about it on IG

Amid all the smoke and mirrors, SH's acting career, as opposed to MPC, Barbour, SM follower numbers etc, appears to be stalling. As r189 pointed out, he is not being nominated for any meaningful awards, and much of his good acting in OL seems to be ending up on the editing floor (if original script documents are any guide). With the increasing emphasis on Super Claire, assisted by Sidekick Jamie, nominations for SH don't seem likely from his OL work. Maybe S4 gets back to a more balanced story, but if not, this is hardly going to build momentum for his future career. Hopefully his spy movie will do well, but if it doesn't, and he does want to be taken seriously as a fine actor, he needs to have some further non-OL project(s) lined up asap. However, some studios may be reluctant to consider him for roles as they can't be bothered with the clumsy PR games and SM innuendo. With a little more gravitas, and far less PR game playing, he can move onward and upward but he needs to do it sooner rather than later if this is what he wants. Gorgeous and talented though he is, he is not getting any younger and every year more and more talent is entering an already very crowded field. Sadly, this doesn't look good for him coming out any time soon.

How can anyone believe he is straight.... He doesn’t even seem to realise he is touching the boob of his bestie Cait until she giggles

R208 great post. Agree there’s only a very small window of opportunity for him left.... Gorgeous man indeed.

Unpopular opinion here, but looking at those older posts of MM's made me feel bad for her. She looked a lot happier there and her old nose gave her face character. I actually is pretty ambitious but it just isn't happening for her and it shows in her recent posts.

[quote]Hopefully his spy movie will do well, but if it doesn't, and he does want to be taken seriously as a fine actor

Where is that guy who was so enthralled watching "the silence of people listening" from the wings and wanting to be that guy on stage? Where did that passion go? Now, he just seems passionate about making money. From an early interview where he actually says interesting stuff...

[quote]"I just absolutely fell in love with theater," he explains. "I used to be like a spear carrier in the big shows. There was one show I was doing -- there was a woman... she was a fantastic actress and she had a quite emotional scene and I used to go down like half an hour before my call and just sit in the wings and listen to her, and I'd love, somehow, the sound of people listening. There's something about the silence of people listening to someone, or watching someone -- I just... I love that."

[quote]"Shakespeare language is fantastic, and to be honest, you don't need to do anything to Shakespeare. You just say the words and the words kind of affect you, the actor, if you're open to it and I think I just really relished that role and threw myself into it

[quote] "I think every job I do, I sort of look for the challenge in. I mean, that's why we do this job. It's not, you know, obviously not for the money or for the fame, it's for, I guess finding out more about yourself. You find out what your limitations are and what you can get away with on stage, or not, as the case may be."

The challenge now is that he has to sleepwalk through this American TV gig playing an absurd character with stupid lines that he fights with the writers about reading.

Nice find r212. Never read it completly before.

R212 thats the Sam I appreciated.

Some rumours that Sam did that snowy run in NYC. I smell shit coming.

There’s something odd going on behind the scenes of the outlander production. Social Media and fan interaction narrative has changed since just before December vacation. The previously private personal life of Balfe is up front and central. I think it’s known S4 is the last and there’s a push to publically separate their image for future job ops. Sam’s secret could be collateral damage in Balfe's ambitious quest for the A list jobs. Noted she didn’t thank production, crew or costars in her IFTA acceptance speech, not very classy.

R215, why would Sam go to NYC to run 18 miles? Makes no sense and he was seen in Glasgow on Thursday. R216, not classy of Blafe at all.

R216 I agree something is going on. Balfe is selling her engagement pretty ugly. She did a pap walk a la Sam yesterday lol. They're deliberately trying to separate the whole SamCait thing. They're both nearly 40 - Sam has MPC and Barbour, Cait doesn't have anything. But she looks ridiculous right now. Waiting for Sam - he can't stay away from the BS as well

Even if there is bullshit from NYC, who goes to see his long distance gf then spends most of the time in the gym or running? Shouldn’t they be all loved up and cosy somewhere? Nah, it’s all fake and it’s not winning him any kudos. Be yourself Sam, FFS ,or people will lose interest in you.

Why should he be in NY? They just started a new block. His sm times clearly are UK while MMs are still West Coast. Apart from a few likes her job is done

I wonder why Sam isn't promoting himself. Cait is at the BAFTAs. What the hell is he doing?

Hopefully, Balfe gets her head out of her ass long enough to prepare a few remarks for the BAFTAs, should she win. At the IFTAs she just thanked her "team" and fiancé; no love for the army of people involved with the production that got her there. All the giggling and humble bragging is getting old.

She isn't nominated, she's just there

So Grace is a cold bitch who used Sam. Poor guy.

r224 it’s looking increasing likely. Sam always shared the spotlight with her, deferred to her in interviews and praised her relentlessly in every panel, interview and print article. She can’t even thank him in an awards speech. She is ruthlessly distancing herself. Something is playing out here...

She can't stop him from going to the BAFTAs. It seems to me he's hiding. What from though?

Maybe somebody told her, "Secure your brand!" But the shelf life in HW for a woman pushing 40 is over before it begins. She had a bit part in that Jodie Foster flick, but nobody came banging down her door. She deflects questions about her next project by saying she's still filming until June. Not a good sign. I don't see her doing comedy, either. She went over like a lead balloon in that OL episode, "The Search" where she had to sing and be a little goofy.

[quote]They just started a new block. His sm times clearly are UK while MMs are still West Coast. Apart from a few likes her job is done

[quote]Sam was seen in Glasgow on Thursday

Yes.

And Valbo was also posting at the same time that Sam. Probably, they went together -and very early- to the gym. In Glasgow.

r228 But I don’t think there’s heavy snow in Glasgow at the moment. It’s raining. Of course it could be an old photo and more bs. Who knows?

Sam overshadows everyone on the show, including Cait. She knows that and she can't afford to be a number 2 any longer. Sam is not only drop dead gorgeous, he seems nice and he's bloody charming. Women and men love him.

I think Sam might ditch the acting after Outlander. He has enough projects in his hands. There was some gym thing in April, right?

I see that the bash Balfe crowd has arrived. I also see that those jealous of Sam are back and the ones that find him so uninteresting that they must come here to talk about how uninteresting he is because they spend their life watching and talking about Sam because is is so.......uninteresting.

Ooh, I see the bash DLers is here, at R232.

The crazed shippers who are pissed at Caitriona for getting engaged are the ones showing up here to slam her. Those who celebrate gay Sam but hate that he's being forced to beard understand Balfes dilemma. The studio pushed her to virtual beard with Sam so long that her own identify disappeared especially since Sam alone is the object of the fantasies of the mostly female viewership. There are Balfe stans but they are in the minority. No one should dissn her for trying to stand in her own power. Sam needs to grow bigger balls and do the same. But he just seems too insecure about himself to do it sadly.

Judge Judy at R232 needs to take her finger-wagging troll ass out of here. Once again, the slobbering fantards who think the sun rises and sets over Heughan's head can't deal with anyone criticizing or questioning his behavior.

It's pretty obvious that Balfe's fiancee is gay also. They are all twisted up in these lies with Sam.

So, Sam's Starlight movie is realesed on March 13th Digital and DVD. Most be an outstanding production.

r235 and yet it seems to bother you tremendously that you are criticized for the way you act but it's okay for you to criticize others

Going back to topic.

Luke's 'my boy'.......

The way I act, R238? We're here to discuss the thread topic and related issues. It seems you came all the way over here to wag your finger at us. Now, why don't you head back over to your little blog and slobber with the other fantards, Tumblrina.

[quote]Going back to topic. Luke's 'my boy'.......

[quote]So, Sam's Starlight movie is realesed on March 13th Digital and DVD. Most be an outstanding production.

Thanks, R237. Direct to DVD, eh? Sounds like a must-see. How they could make such a handsome guy look homely took some doing, too.

[quote]A chilly 18miles walk for Sam. And Cesar Domboy has liked Sam's pic.According to SHAMzie standards, that means 'true love'. #reallovewins, lol

David Berry also liked Sam's pic #threesome

It appears MM is asking Sam's help to defend that picture of her father with the assault gun which she claims was taken at an orphanage in Iraq. I would assume he will not speak out. The Captain seems to weighing in proclaiming her dad a hero. Purv has screened capped the twitters. Thoughts?

[quote]The Captain seems to weighing in proclaiming her dad a hero.

Is anyone surprised?

[quote]The Captain seems to weighing in proclaiming her dad a hero. Purv has screened capped the twitters. Thoughts?

MM-Purv-Shatner-Camuso.....there's a VERY obvious connection.

r246. Looks like something went wrong on MM's twitter. This is a real big PR mess for Sam. Even I believe, that the last contact he had with the beard was this brief meeting they had outside the concert hall in the taxi line.

Why on earth would you take an assault rifle into an orphanage irrespective of the location? Books or medical supplies would make sense, an assault rifle would simply frighten children who’ve already been traumatised. That photo also didn’t look like it was taken in Iraq.

Sam may well be stupid enough to weigh in and speak out about a man carrying an assault rifle supposedly in an orphanage, which actually makes the story worse not better.

So we're supposed to believe the beard's father dropped into an Iraqi orphanage carrying an assault weapon in that outfit? Honey, at the very least, you go with a camo tie and a light-colored blazer, preferably linen.

She should learn not to take the bait and just be quiet. Her "clarifications" just make the situation worse (remember her clarifying her laughing at the drunk woman?).

Also, (can't believe I'm going to defend her here), she didn't tag Sam, the original poster did and she failed to remove him when she replied. I do hope he's smart enough to stay out of it! It would be idiotic for him to say anything at all!

You can never go wrong in a 3 piece suit with an assault weapon.

Warning, Idiot SHAMzies at link.

[quote]"How embarrassing for Sam that he has “fans” like these. So so embarrassing. And Mackenzie IS a fierce lioness, who may look sweet and golden-maned on the outside but she is tough on the inside. Good for her!!!"

[quote]"Thank you, Mackenzie. She is very aware of the attacks on herself and strong enough to ignore them. But she will not accept those targeted at her family. I applaud her and support her. She is one with dignity and grace amidst all this craziness.Sam is a very lucky man to have her."

As an American civilian in a “war zone”, he would have had security and not been carrying an assault riffle for personal protection (which would have in fact made him a target). I suspect he posed with the rifie like many who thought it was “cool” without even considering how the locals might see such an act. MM also needs to be careful about sharing “war zone” stories. Many have taken a career dive when their “war stories” turned out to be exaggerations/fictional. Veterans in particular do not take kindly to such fuckery.

FIY...

r255. Why are so many american men not able to dress up well? Everything in those combination has the wrong colour.

Yep, R255. A mission talking the talk, not walking the walk. Guys in a suit with ideas on how to make things better for orphans in war-torn Baghdad. Hey, "thumbs up" -- everything is great now that we are here.

Still doesn’t explain the photo with an assault rifle in an orphanage! How frightening for children who are war orphans.

The beard only responded because the picture of her father made her look bad and hypocrite. Which is laughable given the gaslighting, manipulative game she us playing with Jennifer Allen. Sam at least was forced into this charade but MM agreed which really shows people a lot about her character. She kept quiet about all the negativity on her SM except this event and the comments about the woman defeating on the street. The latter had people tagging that PR charity the beard is pushing. Obviously she's concerned about a bad image with these divisive aspects of her personality and background because of her desire to be a social influencer. To be successful at that she must be very careful about her public persona. Unfortunately the immature, spoiled, shallow gal that she is can't be hidden for long. Kendall Jenner too found that out the hard way but she's rich and famous enough that she could recover. The beard is digging herself into a mess and dragging Sam with her sadly.

Yep, the gleefully brandished assault rifle in the whole context of coming in peace and building bridges for the benefit of war orphans is not quite on message. The real message: This is what we rich, white Christian good ol' boys do to feel good about ourselves and flex our muscle when we're not preaching to the choir back home?

You don’t suddenly start carrying an assault weapon for protection. You would have to feel comfortable handling it and using it. Mauzy would own such a weapon himself. Sam has aligned himself with a born again bible bashing, Trump voting, assault rifle carrying family.

Question for those more astute about bearding scenarios, is MM the worst beard you've ever seen? Or is this fiasco commonplace?

How perfect. Daddy doing product placement for AR 15 rifles. Like father, like daughter.

R246 And that is??

Shatner (Camuso) is no friend to Sam nor does it seem to MM either. I mean what was pretty quietly hanging out in her mentions he just broadcast to his 2.5+ million followers. I can’t imagine she was happy about that.

Hey, any kinda publicity and page views are good publicity for the attention-seeking influencer, right? But Heughan has just pinned a tweet trying to get more international members to sign up for his fitness charity. I'm sure the fat shaming and gun violence associated with his "girlfriend" should really help attract the target audience to his brand.

This thread is all about Gay Sam. So, ex-shippers and now Balfe’s haters, just get out! This is not the place to bash her. Just let the woman alone, because Sam has never wanted to be her man. All he wants is man for himself. He’s gay and has always been! And we’re here to celebrate this!

R262, off the top of my head, Elisabetta Canalis, one of George Clooney's contract model beards, called him a "father figure"...

[quote]The beard only responded because the picture of her father made her look bad and hypocrite. Which is laughable given the gaslighting, manipulative game she us playing with Jennifer Allen. Sam at least was forced into this charade but MM agreed which really shows people a lot about her character. She kept quiet about all the negativity on her SM except this event and the comments about the woman defeating on the street. The latter had people tagging that PR charity the beard is pushing. Obviously she's concerned about a bad image with these divisive aspects of her personality and background because of her desire to be a social influencer. To be successful at that she must be very careful about her public persona. Unfortunately the immature, spoiled, shallow gal that she is can't be hidden for long.

Exactly. Never forget.

R262 I don’t have any experience with that but I think this situation would have been much better handled (well, as best handled as a beard situation could be) with leaving it at the light bearding they started with. Their mistake was they gave into some people who said “I’d believe this if…” and they upped their ante to include IG pics, pap walks, etc. but that really didn’t (and was never going to) change anyone’s mind. They should have just left it at what they were doing because those who believed it would write the whole narrative for them and leave very little for them to actually have to do (or spend money on). Plus, it would have been a whole lot easier to back out of later.

There's no halfway solution. Once the beard is announced or hinted at, people want to know all about her, naturally. Especially fans of romance novels, duh. As we've said before, nobody with integrity and/or brains is lining up for the job.

Balfe looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights, not the happy, loved up, blushing bride to be. Mauzy is desperately defending her Middle East orphanage visiting, machine gun toting, Trump supporting (probably bible bashing homophobic too) Father. Sam is channelling Forrest Gump and running for his sanity. Is Gabaldon writing the script?

R271 You can't make this shit up. For all the nonsense Diana's written (a lot), she at least write about happy relationships and people in love. Everything Sam the beard aren't. About Balfe - her fellow always looks bored, but she chose him so I don't care.

Looks like Sam isn't working judging by his driver's tweet. He's hiding hmm

The rumor is that he has been in NY since Friday .

And where does this rumour come from?

R275 From Twitter And his time line is not UK's . He must have some days off .

R275 might be an old photo or he is still somewhere in Scotland. Still lots of snow there, even some in Glasgow again last week. Is there still snow in NY? He's playing games again for sure. He's counting on people wondering where he is. He should stop this childish behaviour imo. If anything it's annoying.

Great post R271

r277. He also could be running everywhere in Europe. The only thing, which this pic proofs. It was snowing and very foggy. He is probably standing on a bridge or a landing stage. That is all. There is no proof, he was running in a competition. Also he is dressed up in very warm clothes for running.

I read he’s training for a marathon.....gotta get the miles in

He is in UK.

These attention whores and celebrities use SM to get fans, followers and sponsors, and they're shocked when people actually read their posts and engage in debate with them. Hello!

R271 is correct but the phrase is "bible thumping..."

The beard is an albatross. Sam needs to cut her loose.

r282. I stand corrected and apologise for the incorrect term! He thumps, not bashes...

Whenever Heughan or his beard fuck up their PR narrative, trolls and shills descend on DL wagging fingers and bashing people here who are having a calm, respectful discussion. Interesting, huh? All signs point to the gay elephant in the room, folks.

[quote]The rumor is that he has been in NY since Friday .

The SHAMzies are spreading that rumor since days ago, -before Friday. Sam was seen in Glasgow last Thursday.

They desperately need Sam near the beard.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

And she can definitly not sing.

This looks more like Sam's world.

No. He is not into men....

r287 I actually think she looks better like that. She’s now all teeth , hair and eye lashes. Meow meow...

Gay Sam in his natural environment. Probably a behind the scene from the Barbour at. But nevertheless.

I've only trained my body for the 40+ women, who are addicted to Gabaldon's story of the scottisch unicorn. Brfore that, I have looked like this.

Before OL, I've more looked like that.

He has a naturally sleek runner's body, for sure. It must have been hard for him to pack on the pounds.

A lot of things can be said about the man concerning his choices when it comes to closeting and his career(and the trailer of "when the starlight ends"looks like the acting could have been better) but he was and is gorgeous. It's not just about the muscles, he has an athletic body and he's not a body builder. Love it. I honestly believe he is a good guy, I just think he believes his management, it's time for him to trust his own instincts.

r296. Not exactly. His MH photoshhot in SA was exactly about body building. Well not the stereoid path like Arnold Schwarzenegger in his early Mister World/Mr. Olympic time die. But he was close to it. Scroll down his TW likes, and you'll see that liked a russian stereoid site in the early times of OL. And the GIF of him at the water mill ecactly shows this.

And his upcoming event at the EDA gym with "Bobby Maximus" is just about this. By the way, the guy whose training plan he followed so addicted at the Roar Gym in CT and which culminated in the MH photo shooting. He is in bodybuilding. And besides his running obviously the only things, which are determing his life. He is OK, and I owe him something for his MPC. But he is not georgous.

R297 I am not obsessing over him so I have not gone through his whole SM media history but I believe you. It is simply my opinion that the way he looks is gorgeous en I liked his looks too when he was less toned. I remember he worked out with that Bobby guy in SA but still he doens't look like a body builder to me and doesn't need it in my opninion. Maybe his management feels he needs it just like they think he needs a beard. The event is not Sams event but EDA's. MPC is just a fanclub and that's the way Sam is marketing it, SUCH a pity. It could be much more. Yes people help and support each other within that community but it isn't being marketed outside the horrific OL fandom so it"s 99% fangirls. A pity of the whole philosophy behind MPC.

Related: One last word about the beard's father swaggering around with an AR-15. This is an excellent essay by an ex-military guy who doesn't think any civilian should be able to get their hands on one, period. Don't let the title fool you...

[quote]This rifle is so deadly and so easy to use that no civilian should be able to get their hands on one. We simply don’t need these things in society at large. I always find it interesting that when I was in the Army, and part of my job was to be incredibly proficient with this exact weapon, I never carried one at any point in garrison other than at the range. Our rifles lived in the arms room, cleaned and oiled, ready for the next range day or deployment. We didn’t carry them around just because we liked them. We didn’t bluster on about barracks defense and our second amendment rights. We tucked our rifles away in the arms room until the next time we needed them, just as it had been done since the Army’s inception.

R299 yes the beard and her family are a disaster. Sam should run as far away from her as he can...run for the stunning Scottish hills. Of course no civilian should own a rifle. That's jus the second amendment backfiring(European citizen here).

r298. Also. Not exactly. For me the delivered training plans helped me a lot. And for me it worked. And I am still trying to stay outside of every proposal meetings with the "so called Fan Club". Even there are a also a lot of women, who believe, that he is gay.

The MPC program is designed by John Valbonesi and his professional helpers. Sam just gives his name for it, or do you believe he has ever had a pencil in his fingers to have scribbled the smallest detail for "his" Barbour signature Collection?

R301 the training was designed by John, the nutrition by Jordana(who might very well be a lesbian?) but don't underestimate Sam's influence on the program and the philosphy behind the organisation. He created the event for example and he personally contacted the people who were speakers and gave seminars at the event. I just wonder why he doesn't try to promote it outside of the whole OL fandom. It's a great program.

R300 If civilians shouldn't own rifles, how do we kill deer during hunting season? Don't you hunt over yonder? How do I protect my home if police aren't fast enough. Now back to our regularly scheduled topic of gorgeous gay Sam.

r300. This is probably not the place to discuss this here. There must be 100 oft other threads on DL, where we can discuss this item. Also European, with a german hunting licence (for which you are spending a 4 weeks/6 days a week time for learning all the stuff to be a successful student, or a complete year with a 3 hours a week course). Which allows you only to carry your weapons on the direct road to your (also lincensed) hunting area in a closed box. Unloaded. The Munition has to be stored in another place in the car. Also not visible. Only one handgun is allowed, only for the reason for the last shot from small distance, when your Rifle shot failed. You are allowed to buy a shotgun (for hunting smaller animals like rabbits, Ducks etc.) and a rifle. You have to store then at home at a high certificated tresor and no one, that you is allowed to get in use to the keys.

You can also join a shooting Club. In most oft them you are shooting with airpressured guns, which are not really weapons. Probably you can kill somebody with those guns using them like Golf clubs.

[quote]Of course no civilian should own a rifle.

I believe R300 meant an "assault rifle." We're not talking about hunting rifles, here.

r303. I hope you meant this sarcastic.

[quote]The MPC program is designed by John Valbonesi and his professional helpers. Sam just gives his name for it

Valbonesi coached Heughan in building his body for OL, so Heughan knows the program because he's lived it. But yeah, he delivered his OL fans who ponied up their membership fees to join.

Just let us go back to the topic.

BTW all the last commentries back from r307 about gun law, rifles and MPC were interesting.

But sorry, not the right place. But thanks anyway.

Here we go.

more please R309

r309. My poor eyes. I've caught some rhinovirus. My nose and my eyes..., I and I am to old for this. But ok. One another for you. or may be a couple of.

Those are my guys.

Does anyone know if MM family are evangelicals. If they are wouldn't they be not excepting of gay Sam under any circumstance unless he would convert perhaps? Something about MM's dad has Mike Pence written all over him. Just speculation on my part.

r311. Why are the other guys always look so much more masculine than Sam?

r311 because you see what you want to see

r312. Honey, just google Courtney Mauzy and his evangelical church. No more questions about this subject will be unanswered.

And by the way. Troll at r314. Wrong thread. Wrong time. Wrong answer. And again. Yes. This threads belongs to us! Boring at the tumblrs? Get the fuck out here!

Does anyone have a clue where Sam is? Don’t think he’s filming, his driver is all over Twitter and Sam answered him much later. Rumor on Tumblr is he’s in New York with the beard.

R317 He could be anywhere, like NYE. When he wants to hide, he does it so well. He's keeping a low profile and everybody is asking where he's especially with Cait all over red carpets, TV shows etc. He's onto something.

r310. Last one for you.

r316 you are like an annoying little gnat. I don't participate on tumble or Instagram so leave me the fuck alone. and no you Think it belongs to you but it doesn't.

R317, The Shamzies have been spreading that rumor for days.

And what a 'surprise'!!!! Purv has received a 'sighting' of Sam and MM in NY......

R321 Are you fucking kidding me? Cut the crap, Sam.

Thank you R311 and R 319 R312, what does the church matter. They are all in it for the money, the church is just a job like the bearding.

r320. You know, what is my secret? You are just lurking here, because it is boring at all your tumblrs. Be sure I'll find you there. We have found everyone, if we wanted to.

And. Interesting, that you are showing up here, as you do randomly on this thread.

It smells always like out of PR script book 01.1.

You know exactly what I am talking about. I've posted about 25 times on this thread in the last 3 hours. I was very deep in digging old pictures of gay Sam. Must have been someone attracted.

You are either a very stupid or a very young and new PR shill, who was employed to screen this thread.

Try it another day. And please do not complain my bad englisch skills. If you want to use the fast lane. Learn another language.

r324 you got every single thing wrong lol. and I Dare you to find me on tublr

r321. This is astonishing as the sunset and the nightfall. It is always scripted, but since September the PR scripts are not even worth the money.

This game is, as I hope so, played by some people Sam hired and is still connected to. But I think, he is out of the game and for some reasons he is still used as the bauer chess on the chess board.

Remember, the in September tooked pap walk pic in NYC, which appeared on Octobre on the JJ page. And after that nothing until beards IG story approaching Glasgow, her innuendos and then them both waiting in the taxi line.

I ve run through felt a thousand of Sam official pics tonight. It is astonishing, how much is out there. But I am talking about the official, pr related stuff. Not about the ones, they could not delete.

r324. Ok. here we go.

[qoute r18 are you threatening her? this isn't Your board. anyone is allowed to post here.]

r321 oh ffs. Here we go again. Anouther round of bearding. He can travel unnoticed when he wants, drop off the grid, which just makes the staged photos and pap walks more unbelievable. They’re b/c list at best, Paps not really that interested unless called Into action to prove a narrative.

r324.

Yes. I dare to find you. Which is not very difficult.

Remember your posts?

If not. Here we go:

[ are you threatening her? this isn't Your board. anyone is allowed to post here.]

[ I̲F̲ he were gay and he came out he would lose a large part of his fan base. Not because he is gay but because women would feel they could no longer fantasize about him because the fantasy could never come true. ]

[and there you have it. this person now believing that he is gay sees him in a whole new light. perfect example of what would happen. ]

[you have to remember that most people don't dissect, stalk and obsess over every move and every word and every innuendo that Sam does as you do here..]

[because you see what you want to see]

[r316 you are like an annoying little gnat. I don't participate on tumble or Instagram so leave me the fuck alone. and no you Think it belongs to you but it doesn't.]

[r324 you got every single thing wrong lol. and I Dare you to find me on tublr]

r329 What Are you talking about? I dared you to find me on Tumblr. I know I'm on here

r329. By the way. We have done it before. Successful.

[

Or just because she is happy because his man is !

Our homophobic troll gets her pronouns wrong a lot, doesn't she? Not a native English speaker.

Even on MM 's IG , no negative comments

I'm afraid you've just busted yourself, big time, troll. One look at the beard's IG and there you are. Same linguistic footprint. I'm not going to doxx you but I will start calling you by your first name if you show up here, again. You've been warned.]

As you have noticed yourself at R18.

Another try.

[qoute]

Or just because she is happy because his man is !

Our homophobic troll gets her pronouns wrong a lot, doesn't she? Not a native English speaker.

Even on MM 's IG , no negative comments

I'm afraid you've just busted yourself, big time, troll. One look at the beard's IG and there you are. Same linguistic footprint. I'm not going to doxx you but I will start calling you by your first name if you show up here, again. You've been warned.

[quote] ???

r331. Now I have got it. Sorry to all the others. [quote]

Or just because she is happy because his man is !

Our homophobic troll gets her pronouns wrong a lot, doesn't she? Not a native English speaker.

Even on MM 's IG , no negative comments

I'm afraid you've just busted yourself, big time, troll. One look at the beard's IG and there you are. Same linguistic footprint. I'm not going to doxx you but I will start calling you by your first name if you show up here, again. You've been warned.

r334

[qoute]Baaaahhh!

Ok. Something useful.

Mens night out.

r330. Found you. As we caught r18.

Sp please be so kind, if you want stay here.:

New input about Sam Heughan. New, not staged or PR pics are always welcome.

Just to make it clear again, this is a thread about gay Sam Heughan. And, of course, this thread belongs to people, who know, that Sam Heughan is gay. Nothing else, nothing more.

Not for people like you, that think, Sam Heughan is avaiable for women.

Sam Heughan is gay. This no misinterpretaion or misunderstanding bythe inhabitants of this thread.

We. Just. Know. It.

Everything else, you read is fake news.

So please come to the conclusion, that you are not welcome here.

No wonder why Luke Neal had to disappear and the beard MM appeared on scene.......

Read the comments to the Sam/Luke pic, including Amy Shiels;)) they look like 'homoerotic german terrorrists'.....

r340. Great! Others doing there homework.

To quote Luke on the same thred: "We are the least .... leather.. gun men in the world.

r340. Just by the way. Because I am german.

The Hitler Nazi regime was probably filled up with homoerotics, which were not able to come out. This whole manuscript was about not to come out.

Not, because they gay guys could not do it. It was about another lost big war.

Those were guys, trying to find their identity again. All this homoerotic stuff, all this manly being, all this christian, church stuff.

The whole story was about men loosing power. And about men, to be able to be gay. Parallel came this sacrifying motherhood and women.

Ugly times. I've thought, we had overcome them.

who is keepin this ridic thread alive?????

let him live his life as he wish.

END

THIS

THREAD

PLZ

THX

r338 I still don't know what the hell you are talking about and I don't really care. If and when I choose to leave is when I will do so. I will post what I want when I want. I know you think you can control other peoples lives, but you can't.

r343 Oh. Another paid PR shill here.

at r344. May be you are dumb as toasted bread.

As I have tried to explain you.

And I do it one last time.

This is thread No 27 about GAY SAM HEUGHAN.

There is nothing to discuss for you discuss here. We know, that Sam is gay.

And for r343. Here is the phone number and the adress for your bill.

Bah. What happened?

The former beard, Caitriona showed up with ther boyfriend at a gala, where she earned a price. Meanwhile Sam posted a pic, what he was doing the weekend.

A guy was killing people at a school with a military weapon. The beard thought, that is it a good idea repost something she has read somewhere else. Other people were clever and found a pic of her religious newborn father with a same looking gun in its hands somewhere.

From this moment things and narratives run completly out of control.

So. Obviously I am suffering from insomenia.

Another one.

I know, that there are lots of photographs with fans. But those withe male ones are different.

Oh. Sweatheart gay Sam. But you know, sitting with a kilt needs some training.

Things he did before or during OL to look straight, may be its photoshopped.

Interesting how this complete OL world on SM fells apart in the moment.

And they come all here, to complain?

Funny at thread number 27. Isn't it?

R351 can’t see. Link doesn’t seem to be working. Thanks for all the pics R348 R349 R350

R352 I think this thread is close to be dominated by fans. The ones angry at Cait and jealous of the beard.

We are here to support the real you Sam!

r351. Yes I saw. But it was to late, searching again for it. I am also the poster of most of the pics before.

I' ve tried my best last late night, defending this thread for us.

Sorry r353. Typing error. I meant you.

R355 Thank you! You have done well. I believe the truth will come out at some point anyway. I hope at some point people like Sam will remember DL and the true support and struggle.

R339 R340 R341

[quote]No wonder why Luke Neal had to disappear and the beard MM appeared on scene.......

[quote]Read the comments to the Sam/Luke pic, including Amy Shiels;)) they look like 'homoerotic german terrorrists'.....

[quote] Great! Others doing there homework. To quote Luke on the same thred: "We are the least .... leather.. gun men in the world.

We need to find the podcast where Luke talked about actors still being forced to stay in the closet. Hello, Sam? ;)

It was on his radio podcast around three or four weeks ago. Should be easy to find for english mother tongue speakers. Which I am evidently not.

Sam was spotted running on the West side Highway in NYC yesterday morning .

Someone on Tumblr posted that they thought it was where he was in the Instagram post he made 4 days ago. No other sightings that I’ve heard about. He’s off the grid!

r359. This is just a hearsay. Somebody thought he was running on the Hudson River, because they thought he MUST be in NYC. A short look at the weather in NYC for Saturday told you, that he was not running there, because there was no snow until late afternoon/evening. After this was debunked, some of the Shamzie minions posted, that someone anonym told her, that she has seen MM and Sam in NYC. After that, the minion went to all the commentries on Sam's IG and found the post, where someone, who seems to do the same job than MM on her IG.

Once again. All smoke and mirrors. Next time, I will post on his IG, that I saw him running somewhere close to my place. The only difference will be, that we have really snow here.

R359 is our resident SHAMzie troll. Trolldar her.

The SHAMzies seem desperated posted those 'sightings' everywhere.......with no proof, of course.

This is the suspicious account --Outlander 'fan' and only three posts- that Purv used as 'proof' that MM was in NY:

r362. Yep, the french Madame, who has been warned earlier not to troll those threads again.

[quote]Once again. All smoke and mirrors. Next time, I will post on his IG, that I saw him running somewhere close to my place. The only difference will be, that we have really snow here.

R361, yes that's how the shamzie queen and her minions are pushing a fake narrative...without zero proofs. They're doing exactly the same that samcait shippers did in the past.

And at the same time, those shamzies are deleting these comments that don't fit their PR narrative. There was NO SNOW IN NY when Sam posted the pic.

The SHAMzie queens don't like these comments that don't fit their narrative...;))

[quote]There was no snow on the West Side Highway during the day on Saturday. It didn’t start snowing here in the city until 9:00 PM and it wasn’t blinding foggy either. By morning there was virtually nothing on the ground as it was a very warm dawn. Sam'a picture was not taken in NYC on Saturday. That could be anywhere as that railing and walkway are in dozens of places. The background too snowy to figure out were, as was Sam’s intention probably.

r365. Thanks. And by the way, I've identyfied our new troll at r344.

r366 interesting. you've identified me? how so?

The Oscars ceremony is next week in LA , not a surprise Sam is in America , he was there last year . This is just my opinion .

R368= again, the desperate resident SHAMzie troll.

GAY Sam for her:

I just never get tire of that picture R369. I love the hair pulled back, the makeup, so adorable!

Why would he go to the Oscar parties? Doesn't he have to work?

R371 Exposure

R371 He was in LA last year at Piaget and Vanity Fair pre Oscar parties. The block they are currently filming in Scotland is not related to Jamie and Claire . He is in America not in Scotland . He needs exposure before his film's release in August .

R373 There is a 2nd unit filming in Scotland too not just the one that we have seen on social media. So he could be filming.

As an aside, it does prove that when he wants to vanish, he can. It makes the photos with MM seem more staged and to fulfill a narrative. Without the Jamie makeup and atrocious wig, he can travel virtually unnoticed. Whether he’s working or travelling, we’ll know only if he wants us to.

The Oscar's aren't until March 4th. The weather doesn't lie and does not support the timing of his photo to actually be that day. Random fans with no sm footprint sending dm's to the fandom troll? Everything he does is calculated and he knows how to stir up innuendo and a distraction like a pro. Look over there, not here! It must be exhausting to have to live part of your life as a lie.

I wonder if he shows up at those parties next week, who will be his date. Cause Cait is engaged, he can not flirt and pose with her anymore. The blond alternative is worse than nothing.

r377. The best he can do now is go solo. Project the ‘too busy to date, working very long hours, available guy about town’ as previous bearding, although light, was barely believable. Balfe’s engagement precludes her crotch grinding him on red carpet anymore.

Just my two cents of his whereabout, when running. It could also have been in Northumberland, where his brother Cirdan is located, who also does running long distance. There are is a race on next Saturday along the coastal line. So may be, he was training there.

Its just a thought, but would explain the landing bridge or whatever it was (surely not Hudson River and NYC) and the snowy, foggy landscape. Even super trained Sam Heughan would not run 18 miles with a five hour jetlag after arriving the night before.

May be I am wrong, but sounds more logical for me as a possible explanation. But like r376 said...

R379 He RT and likes IG in the middle of the night ( 3 or 4 am UK time ) I think he is across the pond .

Of course, people are going to wonder where he's posting from, which he omits. Like that wasn't part of the plan, to keep people guessing and buzzing about him? Such a simple technique captures plenty of fan bandwidth for the SM buck.

r381. As always, you are right honey.

R381 Yes, everybody's wondering where he is. No matter what he's doing he's an attention seeker.

He's definitely an attention seeker. He has to rely on his American fans and promote the new spy movie as much as possible. People in Scotland/UK don't know him or if they do, they don't care about him. Outlander is being filmed there and they aren't even marketing that. Only place you can find *any* trace of Outlander is a little shelf with OL merch in the Glasgow Cathedral. If he wants, he can stay hidden, so all these MM sightings are BS, if you ask me. I still like him somewhat, but I liked him a lot more, when he was still giving meaningful and in-depth interviews. Season 3 Promo was a terrible cliche with horrible questions from reporters (they didn't do their homework, obviously). What happened to his nice and interesting (gender neutral) stories? It's all Barbour, Audi and Outlander lately, I miss the real, authentic Sam Heughan :(

R384 I think he's getting the wrong advice from his PR team. I miss the uniqueness of Sam. Deep down he has a good heart just getting some bad advice

Interesting post r384. As you are posting first time on thread No 27, there are two possibilities. You are a long time lurker here, or you are a paid PR professionell trying to find out, what is the general mood here. No matter, you gave me an interesting input:

The main market of OL is still the US. Insert: german private TV Station VOX failed dramatically, when trying last year to repeat the airing oft S 2 before starting with S 3. i think they cancelled airing S2 after two double episodes. The numbers of viewers who streamed S3 on Amazon in Germany is not available. I dont knew the number oft viewers in the rest of the EU, especially for the UK.

So, my conclusion. 1. He has to be established in the main US market. 2. He has to look hetero for this market. 3. Therefore he was paired with this jobless kind of "All American girl". 4. Which gives him the opportunity to stay as wide as possible away from her (remember him saying: living on the same continent, makes a relationship much easier). 5. Once that " relationship" is established it only needs innuendos to keep it running. So, the only veryfied sighting of him and the beard since the pap walk picture from September (which saw the light first time in Octobre) is him staying besides her in a taxi line nearly three or four weeks ago. Meanwhile he can love and fuck his guy, even sharing his house outside Glasgow and nobody cares.

A long time lurker here, R386 (since thread 3, it think). I posted more in previous threads. I'm just a fan of (gay) Sam, who likes to gossip. (I was the one asking about his new house in Glasgow and nobody knew the answer. He has been living in West End for quite a long time, so I have a feeling he bought a house there.) I'd be the first in line to talk about his partner, because I'm desperate for him to finally come out. That's why I'm even more sad to see him become a walking advertisement and to not be able to see/read/hear his true self. I'm really sad, if the only reason he can't come out are the States.. I wanted to write my experience with OL in Scotland, because I visited there last week and found it interesting, how absent OL actually is there, esp. in Glasgow. I thought OL was more popular in bigger EU countries. It isn't popular in Slovenia (where I come from), becuase it didn't even air here (at least as far as I know). I read somewhere the UK number isn't high, because they streamed it pretty late on some unpopular network (I could be wrong, though).

So. r387. Here we go. Trying to share some gossip: Concerning the house he bought, he mentioned in an Interview with a scottish? magazine, when asked about advices for hiking/climbing that he is living somewhere in the countryside/outside Glasgow. Concerning the viewing numbers here in Germany S1 was the best, S2 came hardly over 1.2 mio and S3 EP 13 was the worst they got. Around 4.4 % in the significant group. So, Germany is probably the biggest EU market. I do not anything about Austria and Switzerland and the side markets for using the german dubbed version close to the german boarders or the other german speaking countries. Italy is probably a market and France, according to the cons Sam went to.

I have never heard of, may be I can not remember it or maybe overheard it, of Serbians, Croations, Greeks, polish or Russian fan Clubs. Sam did the promo tour to Australia and Japan after the Premiere. There is obviously a bigger market in Brazil/South America.

BTW. I love Slovenia. I probably know every stone on your coastal side from sailing.

Thanks, R388. I heard about the house in an interview. The question for him and Cait was "What was the last thing you bought". Cait answered for Sam and said he bought a house, but she didn't specify, where. Maybe his living in the country is the reason there aren't so many fan sigtings on Byres Rd. anymore. I lost track of his living arrangements, when he moved out of the house near Kelvingrove Park. (I have some more gossip: In spring 2016 I met a girl, that studied at the Conservatoire a couple of years after Sam. The acting scene is small and everbody knows each other. She didn't know Sam personally, but knew about him from colleagues and friends. We talked a bit about all kinds of stuff, including Outlander, but she didn't know a lot about the show. She mentioned that Sam is really nice, but that his peers have been and are still making fun of his big square chin. I then casually asked, if she knows Sam's bf and she only answered with a "no". I know that's not a yes, but she also didn't claim he's straight or deny him being gay. I know that's no proof, but it's better than nothing, I guess).

How is it possible, that there aren't more UK people here, who would confirm the gay theory?

I could believe Germany is the biggest EU market. No definitely no Outlander in the balkan countries (cousins from Serbia and Bosnia told me that), idk about Greece. Italy is a big market, but there are very few English-spekaing fans. Thanks for all the infor about non-European countries.

Oh, thanks for such nice words about Slovenia. I love it here too (most of the time lol). Do come visit more! And please let me know, if you need any tips about what to see/do, if you happen to make a stop here. Do you sail to Croatia or how come you pass our coast?

r389. Thirty years ago I was in a relationship with a sailing teacher. He started his bareboat charter company in Portoroz, later on we moved to Pula to the new Marina Veruda. We left years before the war. Eight years ago, i came back the first time to visit Slovenia and Istria again, this time with my mother. In those sailing teacher years before the war I sailed the complete coastline fron Duino to Kotor many times.

But back to gay Sam. Did your addiction to OL brought you to visit Scotland?

R389 That’s a question we’ve often wondered on these threads;re: more posters from UK don’t mention his boyfriends,etc. The condensed seems to be that anyone who has info would not want to out someone against their wishes, or those who know about it probably wouldn’t be on this thread anyway. But it seems pretty clear from comments such as yours about the former classmate. Clearly he’s under the radar most places, and lives out of town so can do what he wants(hopefully) Closeting is sad for so many reasons, one being fans don’t get to see any meaningful interviews from gay actors, that we would like to admire.

Thanks for the info, boats are still a big business around here. And a nice hobby, may I add.

No, I didn't visit Scotland because of OL. I+ve been there many times already, for the first time early 2013, when I visited my friend for the first time. She moved there during college years and eventually married and stayed there, that's why I visit often. I just kept my eyes and ears open for OL stuff, while I was there for a private visit. I'm not so much of an OL, as a Sam fan, I guess (I love his role in A Very British Sex Scandal). It's just a happy coincidence, that I got to visit a dear friend and some OL filming locations in Glasgow at the same time (I visit Kelvingrove gallery, Glasgow university and the Botanical garden everytime I'm there).

Enough about me & OL, I need more gay Sam!

Do you people think that Starz, Sony, Tall Ships,Ron D. Moore,Maril Davis or casting knew or were aware of Sam's sexuality ?

r393. Is water wet?

When Sam was chosen to play Jamie Fraser, the very first questions that the fans asked to Diana were: "Is he gay?" "Why you have chosen a gay actor to play The King Of Men?"...........blah....blah.

British posters already knew about Sam being gay.

I have read over and over here that Americans have trouble accepting gay actors, Starz etc are USA companies. It would seem to me it would be easier for them to have avoid the controversy and hire a more "manly" Jamie. instead as this sight implies everything is done to keep him in the closet and living a lie. ??????

r396. This is an easy answer: 1. Tall Ship Production was limited to non US (because of SAG laws) caucasian whites, because production would be taking place in the EU (for some financial and tax and subsidy reasons). 2. He nailed the audition. 3. He has hat the looks to play beliviable a someone in his 20ies, without looking immature. 4. He is from kind oft scottish origin. 5. He was able to do a scottish accent. 6. He was unknown and unemployed so 7. it was ok for him to sign a seven years contract. 8. He got the look and the physical talent to play this unicorn right out oft the fantasy of Gabaldon.9. They could hire him for the money, that was in the budget. 10. And last but not least, he was without a family, children or spouse who may have caused some trouble. 11. They could sell him as a single and 12. Could sell him as couple with the also unknown single actress Caitriona Balfe.

Have I forgotten something. You are all welcome to add

R391 It's kind of frustrating, spoken to people who worked with him on OL and from his charities. No one knows or wants to admit he's gay. Still waiting to talk to someone who knows and wants to share. It's so obvious.

R389 I didn't know he had moved from the West End. Did he mention he had moved to the countryside?

R397 He is Scottish, from the south but Scotland it is. His accent is less distinguished than from Scots more up north but Scottish he is.

r398. Not exactly. We had people from OL, some subordinates who did exactly that, when telling the fans, that it is useless to send Sam pics oft naked women/Caitriona to make him horny. 2. They have all signed CAs at the production. 3. They don not give a fuck. 4. Probably 50 % and more of the team are lesbian or gay. 4. Because this what Theater/movie/make up/hair is about. The other 50 % straight are the drivers/craftsmen and even there you cant be sure. Well this a rough analysis oft the business.

Probably there are more LGBT then straight in this industry. So being not straight is normal, nothing to talk about.

And r398. You do not bite the hand that feeds you.

For r392.

So as not to bite the hand that feeds you, as you say, no wonder gays are pressured to hide who they really are.If it does not bother them ,cast and crew, come out already. Don't worry about your American fans,most of would appreciate the honesty,instead of the BS we have been spoon fed since the beginning. Truth ,what a concept.

Well. r402. If you are sure..

Your words to Gods ear, after this day, where DT (avoiding the name POTUS) told the world, that his friends in the White House, think, that is a good idea sell weapons to teachers. What can I expect from this country? Anyway, Sam smiles at you. (according to his Twitter 17. July 2012)

For r392.

He is your best gay friend. You will never have sex with him. But, I am sure he will lent you this fur! Even it is only for keep you comfortable in avery cold night.

And, it smells like him and his really great after shave, oh more parfume like.

Ahem, sorry the real gays here. Do not want anyone offend here of Sams real enviroment. But sometimes, it might be ok, to share the same daydreams.

After giving it more thought, Americans probably would stop tuning into Jamie, a lot of the fans can not stand Sam being with the bottle blond . I am not sure her father likes the idea of her paling around with gay Sam either. Sam needs to make as much money as he can and after Shitlander is over go back to the theater where he is free.

And is there really somebody, gay guys, guys and even the female cofighters here, who want to spend more time than a short drink with the ??? this

And one for r312. About the "new born", "evangelical" Mauzy clan.

This was Sam looked like at the wedding ceremony of MM's brother. Seldom saw somebody more out of place.

r312. This was probably one of the highlights of the evening.

One of the bridesmaids with her beloved boyfriend watching the dance of the new married couple.

Ok. I am long over bedtime and tomorrow there is a long trip by car.

Some not so often pics posted here.

Good night everyone on DL at thread No. 27

When I will wake up, I hopefully see this!

And for the real fans of gay Sam Heughan here

Welcome to our world

Adorable Gay Sam.....

Or this one?

Oh, this one is great.

Sam in Macbeth at 1998 (?). This means 20 years ago. So, he was 18?

Already trying to grow a beard.

Next week more

A very young, not pimped up Sam in "Outlaying Islands"

So. Really the last one. Something to read over the weekend.

R400 I don't think I do. I have never been pushy or instrusive neither did the conversation ever evolve around Sam or his work. It's just a little bit frustrating but the truth will out eventually.

R389 in wich interview did Sam say he moved to the countryside outside Glasgow?

R399 I believe you are right R405 the American middle aged ladies love Jamie Fraser not Sam. It's the character they fell for when reading the books so their Jamie obsession is now directed at Sam.

Thanks for the pics(except the ones related to the beard)

I love this one, still think he is gorgeous and also/esp with his own haircolour. Will try and find a good pic of him the way he recently has looked too. Leather is always good on him too.

I think most of us here like actual Sam, not imaginary Sam.

Excuse me princess R419

Fuck off, R420. I’m not an OL fancunt.

5...

R421 I didn't assume you were, you seemed quirky. My apologies.

Chris, Marie Claire with an article about the beard. They called her on-off girlfriend. Are they preparing the audience for next week pap walks?

'on-off girlfriend' is already a change in this PR fuckery.....

MM was in NYC at the Frozen 's preview last night , she just posted a picture with Patti Murin ( one of the lead role ) on her IG story. Sam liked MM's tweet about the show . Do u really think Sam would like this tweet if he was not there too ? (Patti Murin ? A Disney show ?) Plus : Colin Donell ( Patti Murin's husband ) started following Sam on Twitter today. And Sam started following him back . Why ? Because they met yesterday of course . This is not a PR stunt , Sam is just making their relationship real , because they are a normal couple. They probably spent the week together in NYC , and will probably attend the pre Oscars parties next week in LA . If she was a beard there would be many pictures of them by now ...a beard is made to be shown not to be hidden. This is only MY opinion .

His PR people are afraid of the gay rumours. Best way to explain his non existent relationship is to call it on-off

R426 🤢🤮

"On-off" = Both Heughan and the beard see other guys for booty calls

For the shamzie resident troll at R426: it's called LIGHT BEARDING and PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY.

So Sam could come out in a future time.

Plausible deniability is the ability of people to deny knowledge of or responsibility for any damnable actions committed by others in an organizational hierarchy because of a lack of evidence that can confirm their participation, even if they were personally involved in or at least willfully ignorant of the actions.

[quote]His PR people are afraid of the gay rumours. Best way to explain his non existent relationship is to call it on-off

Exactly.

Too much for Purv's 'SHAMzie is going strong' crap.........LOL

Yes R426, Sam is bearding with reservation because he doesn't want to be labeled a liar when he does come out. As for the Marie Claire online blurb about MM, it's clearly a PR puff piece that can't even get its facts straight. It says Sam and MM were first spotted together at her birthday in 2015 ago. They are mistakenly referring to a photo of the beard with her real boyfriend (Billy M) at the time with a group of friends. The bearding didn't start until 2016. All old photos are used in the MC article. Nothing new. I wouldn't be surprised if MM paid for the article in a desperate attempt to boost her profile.

Heughan needs to take a page out of Clooney's book. At least most of his beards lived on the same continent. Right, Kelly?

Wow, the comments on the Marie Claire twitter feed about the Sam/MM story reflect no on is buying what Sam and MM are selling.

If he's not willing to come out, why doesn't he at least find a better beard. It's not like this one is getting any better or more believable with practice.

I wonder if this article is more from her people than his this time. She seems to have just taken new headshots, this article gets her name back out there, boosts her up, talks all about her acting credits...

[quote]His PR people are afraid of the gay rumours. Best way to explain his non existent relationship is to call it on-off

'on/off', 'reportedly dating'......It sounds like in Marie Claire, they don't believe either that Sam and MM are in a real relationship.

They wrote a very similar article about Tom Hiddleston and Taylor Swift 'dating'......;))

Can she even be called an actress at this point? I guess the bearding has been her most steady acting job.

R436, I agree with you. I think the MC article may have been placed by MM.

If you want factual, accurate reporting, it's always good to hire an "entertainment journalist" like Rachel Epstein, a.k.a. Assistant Digital Editor for a fashion rag.

[quote]Wow, the comments on the Marie Claire twitter feed about the Sam/MM story reflect no on is buying what Sam and MM are selling.

And the SHAMzie shippers are furious........xd

And now Patti Murin started following Sam on Twitter ... Come on guys ! He was in NYC last night with Mackenzie and he met Patti and her husband at the show .

Haha, could that article read any more like a bad PR flack piece? It's like a master class in the genre. Just in time for the contract renewal and Oscar week.

I'd put my money on it being placed by Sam's people. She wouldn't do it without him - the point is she gets paid in $$ and publicity and he calls the shots; though it may be that she's negotiated for more PR exposure for herself, specifically.

The trolls can tell us all about how SH likes his beard's friend's husband's social media like and go on about the weather in NYC last Saturday night. It doesn't matter. Why go down that rabbit hole, my fellow followers of gay Sam? If the tumblrina sites start talking about Sam being in NYC, it's usually because someone tipped them, and their information may well turn out to be true. Or "true" as in "truthy." Some of those tumblrina sites are run by PR, so they have the inside scoop on the shenanagins. Whatever. PR is having to adjust to the social media age and they are struggling to keep their stories straight (lol), aka plausible. But the point is, we know SH and the beard will show up together. We know their photos will show up in PR mags and in random places. We know there will be "likes" from their public social media sites. We will not be shocked when there's a "fan photo" somewhere of Sam and the beard attending the Frozen event that gets spotted on rando's IG tomorrow.

The question remains: what are they selling with these flack articles and seemingly random photos? They're marketing something; MarieClaire doesn't just decide one day to write bad press releases about niche cable stars and their former soap actress girlfriends. The most obvious and common answer to this question, in general, is marketing a gay star as hetero. Because that's the more than not the answer. It's common. It's really fucking common. See hundreds of other threads here on DL. Big name stars still bearding. Imagine the ones that don't have the name and fortune of someone like Clooney. After doing 2-year contracts for years, even Clooney took it all the way to marriage (even though his relationship with Randy Gerber, husband of serial beard-wife Cindy Crawford, is pretty much an open secret in HW) (and tbf, he shares an interest in human rights stuff with Amal, so they are compatible in terms making splashy donations and such together) (think of it like nobility marriages in the middle ages - the marriage is for public, the family name, and the family fortune; that there are mistresses gay or straight is taken for granted.)

So far SH seems to be keeping the bearding much lighter, but we'll see with this latest contract renewal, aka "on again." But in light of his co-star's engagement, we shouldn't be surprised if he steps it up. Whatever happens, the PR pattern is there for anyone who follows gay actors in HW. That overall pattern is what to follow.

He wasn't in NY all week. That jogging photo is not real time or NYC. It was all to get people thinking he was there to set up for the beard's Frozen attendance. He liked tweets. Big deal. There's a photo of the beard at her seats and he isn't there. I am beginning to think this was a job by her PR more than his this time. It takes focus off his real life so he goes along with it. Only thing is this time fans are slinging it on MC twitter with proof she had another bf. On and off again makes them both look stupid. Too many holes to plug. Purv's bs lies that they were going strong just got shot to hell too.

I think we don't actually know whether he was in NYC all week or not. It wouldn't surprise me if he had been, and it wouldn't surprise me if he had not been. He's in the business of selling a brand, and he's in the business of acting, and NYC is a logical place to be for meetings about both of those, so that may be likelier. But the point is, it doesn't matter whether he was or wasn't there. Either way, he's gay and he just renewed a contract to beard. The details of how and where and when they are "spotted" are just the logistics that follow on those realities.

For sure she thinks she benefits from the exposure, so maybe she's the one pushing it this time, but isn't that really the point of a bearding contract for her? She gets whatever payment, travel and other bennies -- and exposure. I'm sure it's all in the contract - what's expected of her, and what she can expect to get out of it. And SH pays for the PR for both of them. (I think for those who take to the level of marriage it's a whole different calculation, but no less discussed ahead of time - having kids, what the understanding is about relationships on the side, etc.). I wonder if HW will ever get to the point where this is considered unnecessary. Hope so. This younger generation doesn't seem to tolerate BS too well.

I agree. They had to include "on-off" because they went for four-plus months without seeing each other and know everyone else knows it. Maybe Sam was deciding whether he wanted to continue the bearding and they had to renegotiate.

r426. You were called out at the very first posts of this thread.

And warned. You did not listen. You still post this shamzie crap. People liking someothers people post. Do you really believe, Sam is managing his public SM like IG and TW 24/7? He is paying handlers to do that. The handlers are monitoring and acting. They are paid for that. Please share this info with your friends on tumblr.

So, you have been warned, what will happen, If you do not stop trolling here.

So Mme I. B. from T. This is really the last call for you. Discuss your Shamzie bullshit everywhere. But not here.

R447, maybe we should go to their shamzie tumblrs and IGs and post 100 comments about Sam being gay. Would they allow us to do it? NO.

Stay in your lane, IB, and stop bringing the PR shamzie crap here. You already admitted that you don't trust Purv and that we're right in many things. I know there are many more who think like you.;)

And after the new Marie Claire article, you already know that Purv's 'Shamzie is going strong' is made up BS.

SM activity doesn't make a relationship real. It's just useful to play PR games..... and Sam is an expert.....;)

Here's Sam feeding the samcait crowd in the past:

Yes, Purv didn't know about the "on-off" status. Instead she insisted she had sources that confirmed Sam and MM were "stronger that ever." Focus your energy on healing I.B. -- not crusading for "straight" Sam.

Who isn’t involved with the sham of closeting gay Sam? Old hag Lynette Rice tweeting out the “equality” pap walk pic from last year.

R450, this reeks of desperation........

[quote]Old hag Lynette Rice tweeting out the “equality” pap walk pic from last year.

Lynette has started to block people although there are no offensive comments to her pic. They're posting the truth: Sam is gay and MM is his beard.

It must have hit a nerve in their PR narrative.....

What does he do now? He’s backed into a corner with upcoming cons, 2 movies, and OL 4 promotion all very visible on the horizon. MM is obvs a liability to his image and if twitter responses to MC article is any reflection, not a credible beard, she’s done more damage than she was meant to contain. Is the on/off a step towards ‘break-up’? If so, I suspect the MC article was pushed from her side, she needs work to keep up her lifestyle and world travel, she needs her profile lifted. I expect more in the coming weeks, perhaps part of the contract ending was clause demanding PR push for her.

With Lynette Rice tweeting out that old photo (I had to laugh because that was the photo that I looked at as a very casual fan a year ago and thought, why are they selling this relationship so hard? that sent me to google "Sam Heughan gay" and here) and the MarieClaire press release, I guess we have the beginning of a little campaign. Sorry to say, R453, I doubt very much it's leading to "off again" status at the moment. They wouldn't bother with that. This is a doubling down in time for the Oscars, the cons, the movie premiere, and the next season premiere.

It's true that they're doing a terrible job (really, getting LR to tweet that out that awful pap photo?) but I'd guess on their terms it's mostly working. Most fans don't follow this stuff at all, probably to their benefit by the way. The negative sm comments are dismissed as crazy angry shippers with sour grapes that their ship was tanked. It is interesting to watch the PR folks try to navigate all this in such a intense / cult fan scene as this one, in the social media age where people follow every move and talk back. It was way easier back when Travolta, Gere, and Clooney were coming up.

Anyway, pass the popcorn.

R54, I agree with you that it's setting the stage for sightings during Oscars week, but why the reference to "on/off" girlfriend? Also, I think its getting harder to dismiss nasty comments to shippers. Lot of comments about Sam being gay and shaming those who are perpetuating the closet.

The shamzies lies are crumbling.......xd

Anonymous asked: "David has come out to say he never told anyone Sam was in NY. That anon is making things up. Report the right news in regards to Sam please."

sam-heughan-daily answered:" I didn’t answer to anon about what Davie said because it was pretty obvious that he would never violate Sam’s privacy, but I focused on filming schedule."

SAM-HEUGHAN-DAILY Ladies, apparently Sam is back in Scotland. Evidently there is a bit of confusion about the filming sched-le. No pre-oscars parties, no tuxedo :(

FEBBRAIO 24TH / 16 NOTES / REBLOG

Did Sam leave UK?

R458 I happen to think not, but who knows.

Meanwhile, DL is a “cesspool of lies,” according to PurvShilla, the queen of manufactured BS. Pot, meet kettle.

Isn't it quite unseemly for this Purv person to go into the financials of a private person like Tony? I think that crosses a line and besides who cares? He is just a wee man on the arm of a little known celebrity,afterall. Cait proclaims him shy and perhaps everyone should leave him alone. I call BS on the Purv and her secret BS sources. She draws attention to shipper fantasy and gives it more exposure and importance than it would ever get if she let the romantics alone. She is a laughing stock. I am sure Cait and Sam should feel real proud a feature creature is looking out for them. This fandom is getting creepier every day. The whole Outlander crew is shaded and it is difficult to be fans of any of them.

Sam is in Scotland.

Thank God, there will be no Oscar parties PR fuckery like it happened last year.

And Mackenzie Mauzy is in Scotland too ...look at her IG story ...

There was a video at Murrayfield on her story an hour ago ....

R464, There is no IG story for MM???

SHE took it off. What a dumbass.

I just saw it an hour ago . It lasted only 4 seconds and was taken at the same moment and from the same place than Sam's IG . Not there anymore , but I am sure I saw it .

R466 Have you seen it too ?

R467 Was she in it?

R463/R464/R467= The SHAMzie resident Troll who posted+100 comments in the previous thread.

GAY Sam for her:

Is someone stirring up some shit regarding Mackenzie Mauzy and her IG story?

FINN HEUGHAN , Sam's nephew started following MM tonight . You will find Mackenzie's story on the net ...

I am sure they are together for real , no doubt anymore about Sam's sexual orientation and I am very happy for them ! You should stop spreading false rumors about him , you are going to ruin his career and this man does not deserve that .

R472, Why delete the IG story? Is Sam ashamed of this relationship?

R472 Sure she has been threatened or insulted, ....like me on this thread ...I think that is why she deleted

How could she be threatened on an Instagram story?

People do realize there are third party apps and IG hacks for stories right? You don't have to be there to be there...especially if you're trying to sell a narrative.

I know you dont like Predux, this is the only link I have found ...Sorry. But I saw it on her story before she deleted it .If Finn started following her , that means their relationship is serious and that she met Sam's family . One more proof that Sam is not gay . I really do respect the LGBT community , but I have no respect for people spreading lies with malicious intent . I am not talking about everybody on this thread... you have the right to think he is gay if that makes you happy . I won't post on this thread anymore , since I think that the next step will be an engagement announcement very soon ...and there is nothing more to say to prove they are a real couple . So please , just be happy for him , he is a nice guy .

2 years and she just met his family? Seriously?

I'd say the fact that he dragged his family into this is a new bearding low, but then look at Hiddleswift.

R479 You are going deeper and deeper ...nobody believes in the bearding anymore . Trying to change your mind is hopeless . Bye

I can see his PR team being worried after the Marie Claire article and the 'reportedly dating' and 'on-off' girlfriend bits. And LR (Entertainment Weekly) posting that old pic of the pap walk that reeked of desperation.

[quote]I'd say the fact that he dragged his family into this is a new bearding low, but then look at Hiddleswift.

SHAMzie is already HiddleSwift 2.0. Not a surprise, Sam and Tom H. have the same publicist: Jennifer Allen.

As far as I can see, the nephew doesn’t follow the beard.

More HiddleSwift PR fuckery.....meeting the parents

He’s following her on Instagram now.

For shits and giggles?

To the homophobic SHAMzie shipper Isabelle B. Please, go back to SHAMZIEland. There's nothing wrong with being gay. San can be a nice guy and gay TOO!

Henry Cavill, his beard......and his mother:

So the takeaway is: regardless of her supposed great reputation, Jennifer Allen actually sucks at her job.

I do NOT suck!

R472. So you have "no doubt anymore about Sam's sexual orientation" because MM may be in Scotland and his family is liking her public-facing social media and Sam's public-facing social media is liking her posts too? Do you also have no doubt about the sexual orientation of Cary Grant, since he was married many times? What about John Travolta? George Clooney? All those girlfriends right on schedule every two years, and now a wife and babies. Are you sure about the sexual orientation of football QB Aaron Rodgers since he was very publicly dating Olivia Munn, and recently made a big PR announcement that he and Danica Patrick are an item? Complete with pictures of them kissing on their trip to Mexico, thanks to TMZ? You are very, very sure that all of them are straight, yeah? None of them with gay lovers. Because the proof is that their wives and girlfriends met the families, right? And that photos appeared in magazines? (Actually, Rodgers' family refused to meet Munn, for stated reasons that fueled the gay rumors; it helps to get family on board with the bearding, eventually. It would look weird if MM didn't meet the family, right? After two years of them barely seeing each other but definitely a couple according to the MarieClaire press release.)

R472, I think you have missed the point of this thread and all the others. We're not looking for proof. We are saying he's gay and bearding. In the wake of his co-star's engagement and the growing gay rumors, we're sad but not surprised to see him step up the bearding. The MarieClaire and Lynette Rice tweets are part of the new PR salvo in the wake of a new and (it looks like) bigger contract. I have no idea if she's actually there now in Scotland, or was at the game today, but it would fit with a new round of deeper bearding, and the timing is right for the PR coming up the rest of the year for the comedy spy film, auditions for new roles, etc.

The other thing you said is that "you're going to ruin his career" - meaning us regular folks talking about Sam being gay. Don't you see that's the saddest part of all this? You are repeating what HW agents and PR people tell the actors. You are helping perpetuate that idea and helping make it a reality. If being gay is no big deal for an actor, then us lowly people having fun discussing it would be no big deal, whether or not it's even true. Like saying he likes haggis or doesn't like haggis. It wouldn't matter. And if being gay is such a big deal, such that you feel you have to tell us to lay off talking about it because we might hurt him by talking about it, then isn't that the problem? Shouldn't there be more pressure on HW - on all of them, PR, studios, actors - from us fans to break down that closet? Because that closet has been a prison of sorts for generations of gay actors and a depressing prospect for the kids coming up now in the high school drama clubs.

R489 It is your right to think Sam is gay .

She was given the video. He wasn't in NY and she is not in Scotland. A quick follow by the nephew and mission accomplished. So they think.

R489. No shit.

R491, Was she in the video? Thanks.

Sorry, meant to say this to R490, not 489 (who is me). No shit I can believe what I want. Which is what we've been telling you all along.

R489 Great post! That entire final paragraph is spot on.

[quote] Don't you see that's the saddest part of all this?

Indeed.

If you don't think he's gay, fine. Why come here arguing with those who do and acting like it'd be a flaw if he were? From his words and behavior, I don't think Sam minds if people think he's gay.

She was not in the video, but Sam’s nephew started following her on Instagram tiday. Not sure what that means

R495 The problem is that you are accusing Sam of lying to his fans . Lying and manipulating them . That is what I meant when I said you were going to ruin his career . Nothing to do with the fact he might be gay . Sam is a very honest , simple and down to earth man , if he was gay he would not hide it , he would be proud of it .

Thanks R496. Smoke and mirrors. Innuendo. That’s all that is needed to keep this farce going.

R497. "Lying" is a strange word to use in conjunction with gay celebrities bearding. You say that's what we're saying, but tbf it's not a word you see all that often here on DL. We're talking about systemic homophobia, still rampant in Hollywood and in the sports and music worlds. The fact that these actors, athletes, and musicians participate in the charade is regrettable, and no doubt a little warping, but we understand that they are under pressure and believe that they won't get good roles and contracts if they don't go along with it. It's like saying that the women targeted by Weinstein (and all the millions of #metoo women) were liars for speaking up earlier, or in some cases, even for denying what happened. They were afraid of being crushed by a powerful man and system, of being blacklisted. That makes them all liars? On some level, sure. Not authentic, not honest. On another level, it's really the system that's dishonest. And yeah, it takes a few courageous people to start speaking out to break that system down.

I have no idea, and I bet neither do you, if Sam is a "very honest, simple and down to earth man" as you say. People seem say he is, and I have no reason to disbelieve them, on a personal level. I do believe he is ambitious, and wants his chance now that he has it, and I don't fault him for that. And it's not his fault that HW and America is homophobic and that he finds himself in this dilemma. Caitriona is getting the same chance and she doesn't have to play these games. She can have her mostly private life and focus her public image on her charities and fashion stuff with politics thrown in. Sam feels he has to play these games. That doesn't make him not honest, simple, down to earth. If he is any of those things, this charade has to feel pretty gross on some level.

***It's like saying that the women targeted by Weinstein (and all the millions of #metoo women) were liars for **NOT** speaking up earlier,

Sorry, y'all. It's very late, time to sleep. And I wish there were an editing function here. Oh well.

But anyway, simplistic categories like "you're calling him a liar" are for tumblr wars. The point is that this is a systemic issue. And it's not tin-hatting to point out the very long history of HW homophobia and the closet.

[quote] The problem is that you are accusing Sam of lying to his fans . Lying and manipulating them .

Sam has manipulated his fans before, during the virtual bearding with Caitriona. For YEARS, he did feed them with all kinds of innuendo and likes and comments. Ask your samcait 'friends';)

He didn't want to do the Eonline denial interview because he feel very comfortable having Cait as his beard. What straight man would do something like that?????

Do you think that he wouldn't do it again to save his career???? You are too gullible.....or in denial.

Here's manipulative Sam liking this comment and posting innuendo. They were asking him to marry Cait, no less.....

[quote]nobody believes in the bearding anymore

Nobody?

[quote]Bearding has been around probably forever, but the use of the term “beard” specifically to describe the practice became more widely used in the 1960s. Before then, such relationships, particularly before World War II, were often called “lavender marriages.”

Isabelle B, you are the exact type of fan the bearding is meant to address. Your incessant, zealous crusade here proves why Sam beards. He's concerned a large contingent of so-called fans just like you may not accept him in hetero leading roles if he lived as an openly gay man -- and he's not willing to risk it.

Sam has never said MM's name -- ever. He has referred to her as "this woman" and "no one." He uses gender neutral pronouns when discussing past romantic relationships. We expected -- and predicted -- this step-up in bearding because the narrative has been a disaster. Most likely, the OL cast already knows there is no season 5 and Sam is trying to position himself for post-OL roles.

Yes r502. Thank for that.

473 The video is back on MM OF stories.

R505 and you can even hear Sam's voice.... this makes me so sad

New story with Scottish music and Sam's voice. ! They do not care of what people think anymore .

As the 40th Sydney Gay Mardi Gras looms next week for the gay community , families, friends and supporters to celebrate being out, proud and loud, there's been quite a bit of discussion going around about being gay + in showbiz, + one of the names that has been regularly raised is SH. Former empathy now seems unfortunately to be turning to derision. It's not so much that he has been bearding, which so many can understand, having gone through their own coming out struggles and career protection challenges. It's that he has been doing it so very, very badly: an immature and vapid beard who he sometimes hasn't even seemed to like very much; clumsy public appearances; now you see me/ now you don't innuendo + attention seeking; obsessive SM manipulation. Some wouldn't be surprised if he even goes so far as a fake engagement - after all it can be on/off as well. Maybe he is succumbing to some kind of PR Stockholm Syndrome. Sadly it looks like the games won't end anytime soon.

Uggggggghhhh, someone should make them stop. I can't stand this BS anymore... Maybe Sam should focus more on his acting and appealing apperance on sm instead od posting cryptic stories on his and hers IG. I really believe that in his case truth would be the best (at least for his appearance). I mean, no gfs in his 36 years and now suddenly MM is the perfect woman for him? I bet she couldn't show on a map, where she is and probably still thinks Europe has a capital city... Just because she gets to see a couple of plays on Broadway it doesn't make her smart/street smart or any other kind of smart. Sorry, I had to get that out

maybe if people stopped posting the same things over and over and over in 27 threads then Sam wouldn't have to have a beard if that is what she is.

for a group of people that insist that they support him, it seems to only be on their terms. let the man live his life the way he wants to and stop antagonizing people who don't believe he is gay. it seems the more you aggravate the situation the harder and deeper the story becomes.

You have proved nothing. you will prove nothing. Some think he is gay, some think he is not. No one is right, no one is wrong. But to continue this just makes life miserable for all involved.

If you really support Sam you will just let him be. Sometimes it is time to just let go and move onto to other things.

sorry....

[quote] Maybe he is succumbing to some kind of PR Stockholm Syndrome.

Can't you just see Heughan headed for a June wedding to daddy's little angel with an AK-15 pointed at his head? Surely those evangelical Trumpster good 'ol boys will welcome him into the fold with open arms.

[quote] maybe if people stopped posting the same things over and over and over in 27 threads then Sam wouldn't have to have a beard if that is what she is.

Ah, so it's all DL's fault that Heughan is bearding, not his. He's just an innocent victim of our evil plot to point out how fake his PR is.

All from the same troll who said in the last thread...

[quote]all negativity hurts someone whether you can see it or not.

How about taking your own advice? Maybe if you stopped posting the same thing over and over...

[quote] for a group of people that insist that they support him

One person's support is another person's enabling. We don't support your enabling approach. We support gay Sam Heughan, LGBT issues and exposing the oppressive, exploitative and homophobic Hollywood closet.

[quote]Sometimes it is time to just let go and move onto to other things.

Like I said, time to take your own advice and actually follow your code of conduct. We're following ours.

[quote]stop antagonizing people who don't believe he is gay

Who are we antagonizing? Trolls who come here to stir shit and spew abuse at us, who've been busted multiple times trying to derail this thread?

[quore]Some think he is gay, some think he is not. No one is right, no one is wrong.

Uh, someone has to be right and someone has to be wrong, hon. The guy was openly gay!

[quote]But to continue this just makes life miserable for all involved.

To continue what? Having discussions about issues of interest to LGBT people.

Related: In case anyone needs a reminder about what evangelicals think of homosexuals...

[quote]While not as outspokenly homophobic as his son, Franklin, who has headed the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association since the 1990s, Billy Graham was nonetheless deeply opposed to homosexuality. In 1974, for instance, a young woman wrote Graham saying that she was attracted to another woman. He wrote back, “Your affection for another of your own sex is misdirected and will be judged by God’s holy standards...

how old are you people? Sam is not here to save the LGBT community.

your support is meaningless which anyone can see just by reading your posts.

Sam is responsible for what ever he does but he is Not responsible to answer to you. He owes you nothing. If you would listen to yourselves you are just as bad as the shippers the only difference is your agenda. you are just like them.

Related: Olympic skier, Gus Kenworthy, so eloquently expressing his decision to be out and what he wishes for LGBT people...

Is it logistically possible to be at a 8pm Broadway show to finish go to an airport including travel time, take a 10 hour flight time alone to Scotland and watch an afternoon rugby game. Maybe Captain Denny Craine beamed her there. I call BS.

[quote]Sam is not here to save the LGBT community.

We've noticed!

[quote]Sam is responsible for what ever he does

So you're changing your mind. Earlier you said DL was responsible for his bearding.

[quote]he is Not responsible to answer to you. He owes you nothing.

Who says he does?

[quote]If you would listen to yourselves you are just as bad as the shippers the only difference is your agenda. you are just like them.

How are you different, with your constant baiting, chiding and ranting at us? I have no interest in changing your mind but you seem to need to change mine. Where's that live and let live attitude you preach? Pot, meet kettle.

Okay, i'm new...having googled "Sam Heughan gay" a few months ago ...and wound up here. So I've only read a few of the threads on Sam. It seems obvious to me that Sam is a beautiful and talented gay man. A beautiful man with a terrible agent or agents, also obvious. And also obvious is that he and Caitriona's chemistry and comfort with one another is because he probably was out with her from the get go, would be my guess...and having been told to look straight to promote the show and not wanting to go back to the days when it's hard to come up with the rent, he's doing what he's been told. Remember that FB live video season 3 promo when he says to Balfe: "Tell you what, this whole week has been a pantomime".

But let's just say for the sake of the "sam is straight" contributors that he is, for a second. Why on earth would he be dating MM? What straight man do you know who would be willing to date a woman that lives on another continent that he only sees every few months? The straight men I know want a woman in their bed as much as they can and feel fairly insecure without that constant affection and attention. The fact that she looks very young for her age and is so much shorter than he is...I know he is a tall guy...and that he has a mature face (some guys have that baby face no matter how old) kind of makes it look like he is her dad. It's a bit creepy. But that's just my reaction. And if he really was a straight man, and with the looks and charm he has, why wouldn't there be a long list of women he's had? Or new one's he's met at some of these Hollywood events? Instead he dates MM? This makes very little sense from even a purely rational point of view. I have nothing against her personally...it just doesn't add up logically. And the posting of the current articles seems desperate. Sam, I hope you show up to a red carpet award show...or somewhere...with some gorgeous man you are dating and kiss him on the mouth. It would be super hot. And I'm not a man.

r518 you can change and twist my words anyway you want. I have no interest in changing your mind. I don't care what you believe. I don't care if Sam is straight or gay. What I do care about is any harm that is being caused to him by the constant gay shipping and not just letting it go. Someone above stated why are you Trying to ruin him? What could you possibly gain from this?

I have been on these Sam threads for quite a while and have spent most of the time just reading but it has gotten to the point where it is time to just let it go. Surely there must be something better going on in your lives that you can move on.

r519 there are 27 threads on Sam. go read them and you will find all the answers you are looking for.

Thank you R517. Thank you.

The finger-wagging troll at R510/R515/R520 can't help tripping over her own homophobia and hypocrisy...

[quote]What I do care about is any harm that is being caused to him by the constant gay shipping and not just letting it go.

"Gay shipping?" That's a new one.

[quote]Trying to ruin him?

Only a homophobe would think this way.

[quote]Surely there must be something better going on in your lives that you can move on

Same to you, dear! Time to let it go and move on. Shoo!

I think why people don't "let it go" is embodied in the words that Gus spoke on the video above. In order for queer to be normal, people have to be more open. As someone reading and now having posted here, I don't get the impression anyone is pressuring Sam to be a spokesperson for a community, but more that it is his own personal happiness and freedom they are wanting...and it all helps to free all of us. And since this is the website that it is, closeted concerns and systemic homophobia are of course going to be a topic. People here are living it. So whether he is gay or not, the concerns that this subject of possibly closeted Sam brings up are very real for many people here. And there is the need to talk about it for their own sakes, not just for Sam's. Just my take.

[quote]Maybe Captain Denny Craine beamed her there.

Or beamed her a video snippet to post. Nice work! Of course, we never actually see them together.

r515 is the same lurker who can’t use capital letters properly. Always gives her away. Go get some education. It’s more worthwhile than trying than spewing your garbage over here.

Ha ha! I need to get an education. ‘Than spewing’, it should read...

R15, R27 is a Shamzie shipper.

There's only one reason MM posted her video for a nanosecond in the middle of the night, deleted it, then posted it again at a later time to coincide with mid-day in Europe and when people would be waking in the U.S. -- see wanted larger visibility. Her relationship with SH is completely calculated.

The beard wasn’t at the game. She first posted her ‘story’ at 2.00 am GMT , then realised the time difference, so deleted it. She reposted later today. This has got to be the most badly handled pr exercise ever! It’s so hammy that no one can stop watching. Also, Sam’s nephew has been drawn into all of this. He ‘followed’ MM yesterday on IG.

R517 The Broadway show was on Thursday night , the match was on Saturday afternoon.

The shamzie troll telling people to find something better to do with their lives after admitting they have been sitting on all these threads too.

Just marveling at the sheer incompetence of this bearding operation. If you listen to Jennifer Allen, Hollywood publicist to a veritable cavalcade of closeted and formerly closeted gays, you sort of get the message, "Act fast, and think later."

[quote[“The key duties of an agency publicist is to craft a client’s image in the best way possible that enhances his or her career,” says Jennifer Allen of Viewpoint. “This means coming up with a workable, yet flexible plan, executing it and refining it as the client’s career progresses. It demands a working knowledge and personal relationships with key media, decision-makers, key studio, network and production executives, all of whom are necessary to make the plan succeed.”

[quote]Viewpoint clients include Matt Damon, Dwayne Johnson, Kristen Stewart, Lily Tomlin, Zac Efron, Kate Mara, Kevin Bacon, and Jesse Eisenberg.

[quote]“Having the foresight and ability to select and generate correctly is key. The role of a publicist in the general sense hasn’t changed; it’s everything around it that is constantly evolving and it’s our job to not only remain relevant but to progress with the changing times accordingly.”

Добрый вечер, господа!

Потревожим немного ваш тесный коллектив-))

Я не один человек, а от имени группы. Половая принадлежность - гетеросексуальные женщины.

Мы не поклонники OL, у нас нет сексуального интереса к SH, мы не домохозяйки. Мы имеем образование и опыт в области психологии. Мы из России и это подтверждает язык, на котором я пишу.

Мы наблюдали за всеми открытыми источниками о SH и людьми состоящими с ним в контакте 2 года. Для нас это был вид развлечения. Мы читали все ваши записи тоже.

Мы сделали некоторые выводы, которые могут быть вам интересны.

Если вам интересно - ответьте.

Вы очень милые, умные, вас интересно читать-))

It simply doesn't add up. If he wants to keep his private life private he can. It's so obvious he is gay and if he was bi he wouldn't post any stuff online neither would his lover. Keeping the private life private. More games, more PR. He only tweets and RT's meaningless pr stuff. MPC has ben relaunched he's posted some messages now continuing to promoting OL crap. Too bad.

R533 according to Google translate: Good evening, gentlemen!

Alarm a little your tight team-))

I'm not one person, but on behalf of the group. Sexual affiliation - heterosexual women.

We are not fans of OL, we have no sexual interest in SH, we are not housewives. We have education and experience in the field of psychology. We are from Russia and this confirms the language in which I write.

We watched all open sources about SH and people who had been in contact with him for 2 years. For us it was a kind of entertainment. We read all your entries too.

We have drawn some conclusions that may be of interest to you.

If you are interested, answer.

You are very cute, smart, interesting to read

R533 делиться своим мнением и, если возможно, основываться на какой-то солидной информации

share your opinion and if possible based on some solid info

As more morality clauses are added, sadly, we won't see an end to bearding any time soon UNLESS more people speak up about the problems of gay suppression and control in HW.

Oh. A new troll, who posts in kyrillian letters. It is getting more and more absurd here.

For r517. Latest departure from JFK to London is 23.15. Arriving at 11.15 am the next day. Just really fucking BS!

С очень высокой долей вероятности (99,9%) о ММ. Мы называем её м2. Ролик был снят племянником SH, по этой причине он подписался на м2. Ему просто интересно.

So our Russian friend is saying the video was shot by Sam's nephew, hence the follow on IG

R539 and R538 you mean MM was present there?

the nephew filmed it/them?

Все выводы с вероятностью 99% 1) он бисексуален 2) он заводит отношения в зависимости от ситуации и комфорта 3) он читает вас 4) он пишет здесь, но редко 5) он выступает тролем здесь, но он не Purv 6) он троль в другом известном вам источнике 7) у него были отношения с CB

r533 isn't Russian, she's just learned how to use Google translate.

WTF is going on here?

Some frau pretends to be Russian for some reason.

It is Russian. Though more of the following things are hard to believe:

All conclusions with a probability of 99% 1) he is bisexual 2) he gets relationships depending on the situation and comfort 3) he reads you 4) he writes here, but rarely 5) he acts as a troll here, but he is not a Purv 6) another source known to you 7) he had a relationship with CB

Мы согласны, что м2 является "бородой" по контракту. Она очень низкопробная борода.

Но мы обращаем ваше внимание на поведение CB в последние 2 недели. Она не похожа на счастливую невесту. Очень много пьет алкоголя, иногда принимает стимуляторы и очень плохо выглядит.

As I said she's an american using google translate. Why would anyone do this? You fraus are totally fucked up.

Give us some warning! *spits coffee*

A for effort!

R547 Well, it is a well known fact Cait likes to drink, funny that you bring her in this. She's been with her guy for year. How her engagement is related to all this?

Я еврейка. И мой язык русский. Гугл не причем. Я пишу по русски чтобы вы не считали нас тролями.

Вы не верите, что он здесь пишет? Вы не умеете его читать.

Было интересно пообщаться-)) Может быть ещё напишем вам. Надеемся вам было интересно.

If our "Russian" contributor can read all these threads in English, than he or she can post in English. Stop the BS.

I admit I was thinking he might be bi, but even bi wouldn't date that trash-bag. What were his PR people thinking?

I hope you're enjoying this lol

r552, have you ever been diagnosed with schizophrenia?

Вы даже с русским языком считаете меня тролем. Почему? Зачем вам на английском?

Ещё раз - вы не умеете его читать. Он интересно пишет. Он весёлый и очень интересный человек.

Он не хочет иметь бороду. Он умеет манипулировать бородой.

Мы ушли. А вы не хотите замечать очевидные вещи.

R557 " He knows how to manipulate a beard."

Well with this kind of beard it's easy I guess lmao

R537 The show was on THURSDAY not Friday

R557, if he's bi and with MM, then why does he need to manipulate a beard?

The troll is posting the delusional OL fancunt party line, people.

Who cares when the show was? Sam wasn’t there. Unless he was on stage dressed as princess whatever she’s called giving a stonking rendition of ‘Let it go’.

So. It is time for housecleaning here.

Concerning our russian bot or wherever this shit comes from: ff !

Sam was invited from the RSB. We can assume, he and Cirdan were there. Anything else is speculation without any proof.

Who posts what on any given SM does not matter. As it is does not matter, who likes whos SM at any given time. There are no more facts.

R5624 Thanks for the laugh, man. I needed it.

The first dead giveaway was, "We are not fans of OL, we have no sexual interest in SH, we are not housewives." LOL

DL has become tainted just like anything to do with OL. Russian bots, seriously?????

This is disgusting that someone would post in Russian on DL,when gay people are murdered in Russia! Tasteless beyond words and totally unacceptable here.

This is deliberate troll tactic to get he thread shut down. F&F and let the mods handle it.

Sam got nominated for a Scottish style award. Looks like a positive PR move.

PR narrative are easy done: Like this:

"The husband of my best girlfriend is training for a marathon. Saturday he did a half marathon for training. There were roundabout 45 women and men in this running group. After that my best girl friends husband told me, that there was a tall guy, never seen before, running with them the first time. Somebody along told us, before and after the race, that he is somekind of celebrity from the UK. So, looks like he is that Sam Heughan from this Outlander series from VOX. After the race the training group nad dinner at a local restaurant. The tall guys friend, another scottish joined the group. Can't remember his name, but something with a D and his last Name sounded French. Sorry, my best girlfriend did not take a picture, because, she: ...had no mobile with her, battery was low..., she did want to disturb him,...there is no reason to take a picture, because he was private...or something other.

So.After i have posted this BS, which came out of my phantasy. How long, do you think, it will take, until we read that somewhere else on SM?

r569 would you like to share, nomination for what exactly?

Most stylish male

R569

Is there an award for worst PR? I'm sure Sam would win it.

The on/off again comment from the MC magazine, clearly shows just how fake this whole thing is.

r572 thank you. I apologize because when you said Sottish style award I thought you mean it was Scottish style, not the name of the award

Small remimder for all those really annoying trolls on a gay board. Sam Heughan is gay. He is not into woman. And he is not bi.

Sam Heughan is gay. He was born being gay. He knows it probably since his puberty. He left small Scotland to travel the world before he passed twenty. He felt comfortable in his gay theater bubble. He was close to leave the acting business five years ago after his futile attempts in Hollywood. Everthing else is fary tales bullshit.

Speaking of the Scottish style nom, let's post some of our favorite pictures of Heughan's style...

r576. Hey. Love you. Never seen this one. Great find!

Looking impeccable in Armani...

[quote]The shamzie troll telling people to find something better to do with their lives after admitting they have been sitting on all these threads too

Right now, she is in twitter defending SHAMzie 'epic love'.....LOL

Mackenzie picture of the Forth bridge in Edinburgh today : brilliant ! Just a middle finger on Sam's shadow and it would be perfect .

R579, our resident troll's actual hashtag on twitter today is #truelovewins which is such a sad perversion of the slogan. Apparently love wins for fake PR but not for actual gay people. Or at least, not in Hollywood, yet.

Epic ‘on/off ‘ love. Don’t forget the on/off bit. Makes him look more masculine, playing the field and all that. Come on Sam . You are better than this. I’ve never seen anything so humiliating as this charade. Ditch the beard, leave off the innuendo and trust in yourself.

I have a special fondness for the green leather jacket...

[quote]Come on Sam . You are better than this. I’ve never seen anything so humiliating as this charade. Ditch the beard, leave off the innuendo and trust in yourself.

Tom Hiddleston hasn't still recovered from the HiddleSwift PR mess.

I guess this is what those homophobic shamzie fraus want for Sam.......

r580. Maintenant c'est assez!

Isabebell B. from Toulouse France is trying to hijack our space here.

And she does not stop. She is either on her own personal trip caused from her chemotheraphy or she is just a fucking dumb stupid france female idiot with really mental health issues. And she is to stupid to see, that she is used. Used in this game to make gay Sam Heughan looking straight.

To stupid to unterstand, that not the dumb, fake blond has posted this pic. Some underpaid hired guy in India, whos job it is to monitor MM SM has posting the pic.

Question to Madame Benoit: Why does neither Sam and Trashy nor Caitriona seldom reply to "their" posts? Because it is all PR!

She's probably there in Edinburgh. I mean, why not. Part of the gig. Part of her bennies. Never working, always traveling. Traveling is her work.

None of public social media accounts exist for any purpose other than marketing. This isn't like a normal person's account where you post cute pics of your dog for your mother and aunts to heart/like. I'm sure they have private accounts for inner circle conversation and photos. But the public ones are the branding. Which is why we have to ask, what are they selling here? The absolute weirdness that everyone has had around SH's dating life -- from the fauxshowmance with his co-star to the uncomfortable denial of it to his inability (so far) to mention the world "girlfriend" or his supposed gf's name to this bearding step-up in the wake of CB's engagement and the increase in gay rumors recently -- has everything to do with the pink elephant in the room. And this is all marketing, which wouldn't be needed at all if this were a real relationship. And so he takes a step deeper into that HW closet.

[quote]The absolute weirdness that everyone has had around SH's dating life -- from the fauxshowmance with his co-star to the uncomfortable denial of it to his inability (so far) to mention the world "girlfriend" or his supposed gf's name to this bearding step-up in the wake of CB's engagement and the increase in gay rumors recently -- has everything to do with the pink elephant in the room. And this is all marketing, which wouldn't be needed at all if this were a real relationship. And so he takes a step deeper into that HW closet.

AMEN.

Same PR pattern and same publicist:

The homophobic troll desperately wants Heughan to notice her.

Sam, Stanley has said that you have an inviting ass..........Go for it and end the ridiculous bearding ;)

Now there is a good-looking man, R589.

It's no accident that MarieClaire published what is basically a paid press release, and Lynette Rice retweeted a pap photo from a year ago, on the exact weekend that the beard is putting Scotland photos on her public social media. There is a new contract.

Most people don't market their relationships like this. If they do it, they have a PR reason. The real "proof" here is the obvious PR.

Real couples don’t post their shadows.

If Sam wants to land notable post-OL roles, he should invest more time and effort in his acting, not the bearding shenanigans.

The trailer for "When the Starlight Ends" is bad. His American accent is bad. No wonder he isn't promoting its DVD release. It's not going to help him. As someone said a few posts ago, he almost gave up acting five years ago.

The casting agents (and a lot of producers and directors) are already very familiar with Sam. That's why he auditioned 7 times for GOT and never landed a role. If he doesn't shine in "The Spy Who Dumped Me" he's going to have a tough road. I bet the bearding has been intensified because he already knows season 4 is the end of OL. Sadly, he thinks bearding is going to help him.

That's exactly right, R492. Most people crop and filter their IG photos to remove shadows like that. You either post a beautiful curated photo of the bridge or you post a smiling photo of yourselves in front of the bridge. She knows exactly how to do that - she posts highly curated, cropped and filtered photos literally all the time. But here we get shadows. Kind of apt, isn't it? Making a point to foreground something that isn't real. A shadowy reflection of the real thing. Plato something something lol.

Our resident shamzie troll has now locked her twitter account. Well, she was warned many, many times, dozens of times, to stay away. No one rushed to out her or troll her accounts the way she has trolled here.

The troll’s not too bright, obviously.

On again off again constantly mimics pictures of like photos of Sam and Cait. S and C rainbow pictures were common for them to post. M started posting them. S and C took a shadow picture of themselves and labeled it as Jamie and Claire first selfie. Cait even had this framed on her shelf in her trailer. They came off as sweet people selling romance. I believe MM is copying that behavior, heaven knows why,Her ex boyfriend did call her #nuts. Imagine coming from an evangelical background and being a child actor on a soap opera, difficult to overcome. Along with the possible bearding job, maybe she feels she can help Sam pray away the gay. Sam should know better,he must want fame awfully bad to go so low.IMO

R597, I think MM thinks she is far more talented and beautiful than she really is. Her sense of entitlement is delusional.

R598, And she's not the only one. The comments posted by the fraus in her IG are nauseating.......

Purv trying to pass the shadow at the bridge off as Sam's. Not even close. She can put up all the middle fingers she wants with her companion. Sam was long gone.

R598. That's who ends up doing bearding as a career move, I guess.

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