Question for the straight or bi females on here

Most females prefer an emotional connection than a good fuck. Females also lack trust in males so if there's a lack of trust then females are reluctant to engage sexually with a male; in other words, males can fuck anyone regardless. Females often need trust and emotion regardless if the relationship is serious or not.

Trust me, those straight guys aren't behaving the same way around you as they do around women. And women are less likely to put up with bullshit just to get a guy nowadays.

Thiae guys are also very likely holding out for women they are in no position to score.

*those, not thiae

r1 is a bunch of misogynistic bullshit.

OP, you're probably an MRA interloper, but in the event you are not: remember the Johnny Depp thread and the discussion about how what gay men find attractive in men and what straight women find attractive in men are not necessarily the same things? Women look at faces first and work their way down, men size guys up from toe to head. Do these guys who can't get laid have nice faces and hair? Do they make non-leering eye contact? Do they talk about themselves constantly? Can they hold a conversation with a woman without bragging or staring at her chest or making bad jokes? Do they smell? And, as r2, there's something to be said for knowing your league and when you're shooting out of it.

Also, a lot of these guys give off such weird, awkward or troubling vibes that no matter how good they seem on paper, women are going to give them a wide berth just out of instinct.

Fish are not interested in sex.

I just want to know how you know that all three are "well hung"....

Straight men should just fuck trannies instead. The transpussy doesn’t stink, unlike regular pussy. There are many other benefits as well.

He takes a tape measure to poker night, r7.

99% of straight men are assholes who want to marry a new mommy to be their servant but, strangely, want their new mommy to be a giant whore in the bedroom while being a paragon of virtue in every other situation. And, at this point in history, they are also suffering from 'oh my god, people don't worship straight, white men anymore' syndrome. They're also almost universally immature. More adult men between the ages of 18 and 40 play video games than those under 18. Plus, honestly, they're fucking pigs. Yuck.

I'm pickier about dudes when it comes to casual sex because I know 90% of the time I'm not gonna have an orgasm. Vaginal orgasms are super rare, and I mean penetration does feel good, but orgasms are pretty much all about the clit. And very few cis men know how to work a clit. Sooo when I'm gonna have sex with a dude I'm a little pickier because if I'm not gonna come, then he's got to at least make me laugh a lot or be really interesting or at least really hot. That's my personal reason. It's different with relationships 'cause then the clit is something you can work on.

Way to stereotype 99 percent of straight guys.

There is something wrong with your guy friends. If a guy puts himself out there with women enough and doesn't have unreasonably high standards, he will find someone to have sex with. His standards are either way too high, or he thinks he can just lay back and women will come to him. Also with easy access to porn, there really isn't as much drive to get out there and meet sex partners, my guess is your friends are too comfortable in their lives and lazy.

This thread is on the nose.

I am a lesbian and occasionally fantasize about being a straight man for a week. With just a little charm, friendliness, and ability to listen, a halfway-decent looking straight man could pull soooo many of the attractive women in New York. But no. Sorry about the poster fretting about stereotyping, but it is the truth. Many straight men have a weird absence of social skills. The ones who can actually get along with others do fine.

I'm a straight woman. In my experience women usually respond to certain type of personality, someone who is laid back, makes her laugh, pays her attention. But he has to get it right, too much attention comes across as being creepy. Also not obsessed with sex. The most important thing is to relate to her as a human being, an individual, which some men don't seem able to do. As for looks, most women want a man who looks masculine but in a casual way. The well hung bit isn't that important.

The basic fact that fish are not interested in sex plus the insane demand for stink-hole results in men (str8 guys) having enormous difficulty scoring free stink-hole. We have also noticed this. They would have more than they could handle if they would try the Hershey Highway but they prefer the sick and boring world of heterosexual.

R11 If you are going to participate in causal sex, with a one night stand, you are going to have to contribute to your own orgasm. Hop on top, ride that dick and stroke that clit! He will love to watch and feel you cumming! This gay guy got slightly aroused typing that (I have had plenty of sex with women). I agree with some of these comments. Men's maturity level seems to stop at Junior high. Men also come across as having to have their egos stroked, instead of showing interest in a women. Women are emotional about sex. They don't have to be in love, but they do like being wooed. I also feel that it can also be nice guys finish last, and women do like that bad boy drama. My little dick, had little to do with it!

OP, it probably has to do with their personalities. Women respond more to humor and charm than pecs and penis size, and females of all species respond to courtship behaviors (AKA wooing, as R17 notes).

Also being angry and resentful is unattractive, and there's quite a lot of angry and resentful straight guys around.

Because, OP, women are not interested in sex and risk injury, pregnancy, VD and social stigma if they put out as often as gay men.

Biology dictates that men are much hornier than women, because they have 60-80 times more testosterone than females. So the women don't want to fuck and most of them know they can use sex for lots of money and comfort if they play their cards right.

So they're constantly playing cards and expecting marriage with their sex partners, unlike men.

Your straight, male buddy is not unusual at all, because the average person only has about 7 different sex partners in his or her entire life.

Women of 18-30 like bad boy drama. After that point they tend to get over it.

Why is this so important to you OP? No matter the reasons....they WILL NEVER want you. Grow the fuck up. Have some self-respect.

Men pester you to fuck them, then often hold it against you if you actually do it. There has to be some kind of connection or rapport before sex to neutralize the double standard. Too bad so many men don't understand that.

OP, your friends are fishing for women way outside their league or women who are unattainable. there is no line in this universe dudes could use to pick up a woman who does not want to be picked up that night. also: they are probably giving off a weird vibe. there are enough women who are interested in casual hook ups - but even those have a standard. if they feel unsafe, judged or rudely objectified...no chance.

*unavailable

So many responses from stinkfish!

It seems to have escaped Erna's notice that OP's question was directed specifically at FEMALES.

I have to agree with the poster who said most straight women are not interested in sex. In fact, I'm going out on a limb here to say that most lesbians aren't either. The only women who seem genuinely into sex are bi women. I think it has to do with women wanting an emotional and intimate connection and most men aren't able to get there. Men just want to stick it in a hole and cum asap. Women want the romance and the touching and the build up. Men don't know or care to do this because they grow up watching porn and believe it's all about their dick and a hole.

Women grow up watching Cinderella and hoping for some dude that will dance with them at a ball.

I'm glad I'm a lesbian but I'll tell you, most women really suck in bed too. I don't get it.

OP at 39, it's still a different generation of women from what I've observed in the 20-30 category. It seems they get laid off Tinder constantly... and it is based on their looks for the most part. Women changed from Charlotte to Samantha between the end of gen x and the millennials / gen z. There has been a lot of coverage on this, especially with the massive rise of STDs in that age group among straight people. One whole school had a syphilis outbreak so bad the CDC was called in.

R19 is posting from 1954.

I know mostly GenX and Millennial women and none of them are the kind to be constantly trying to trick boyfriends into marriage. Most don't even have boyfriends or husbands. The lesbians are all partnered.

Oh and also... this disparity among the guys that get laid a lot and the ones that don't created a crazy loony fringe of straight guys called "incels" - which I can't even begin to describe here... but it's mostly under 30 who apply that label to themselves. They just sit around and hate women all day. It got so bad that their little forum was banned from reddit. Google the term and a bunch of articles will come up.

I saw someone on Twitter refer to poor Nigel the gannett's concrete mate as "volcel" and about lost it.

The incel/volcel community are a joke.

We have a UK friend here who is short fat ugly and has no money as far as we know yet he has had the same reasonably hot younger fish for 5 or 10 years. They just had a baby But he is a sweet heart kind smart guy.

Sorry your experiences have not been great, R27. Hope you find a woman who is dynamite in bed and rocks your world!

Even psycho Erna can observe that women want to be treated well and a guy who knows how to do that will get more action than one who doesn't.

R27 Lesbian are you for realzies? Most lesbian women suck in bed? Pardon the pun. Elaborate. I thought all lesbians did was eat pussy 24/7.

Good Hygiene, Manners, & Finacial Stability.

[Quote]Women of 18-30 like bad boy drama. After that point they tend to get over it.

So, so true.

So very true.

Have you ever read some of the m4f craigslist ads? A significant number of men--who seek women--are looking for oral (receiving only) and anal (giving only) and are not even interested in vaginal sex or performing oral sex for a woman. How is the woman supposed to get any satisfaction from such an encounter? The porn industry has really messed things up.

R34 lesbians are people, too, you know. some are more talented and in tune with their partner, some less. sometimes both are doing just fine, but are sexually incompatible for some reason. serious question: do guys not have bad sex? i've always wondered since men will come about 99.9% of the time...is it always considered good because you got off?

Straight women like sex - with the right man. I’ll agree that, unless she’s getting off on the thrill of it, stranger sex and one night stands are not worth it for most women.

I’ve been attracted to average/ugly men if they have a great personality or are funny and confident. I draw the line at fatties, though. Balding, big nose, though; I don’t care.

My sister has a guy on her FB feed (he was engaged to a friend of ours who wisely moved on) who I immediately thought of when I read OP’s post. He’s average-looking, kinda cute, even. He has a good job, owns his home (which is pretty nice; it’s clean and decently-appointed). He has a good body and nice teeth, takes good care of himself. He’s a “NICE GUY” who’s always single. He complains that women don’t appreciate him being a “gentleman” and his generous and tender heart. After a while, the bigger picture emerges. He’s bitter and has a chip on his shoulder and thinks women should be falling at his feet because he’s such a catch. Once a year or so, he posts about some new girl and it lasts about a month before he’s posting his butthurt heart out.

[quote]He’s bitter and has a chip on his shoulder and thinks women should be falling at his feet because he’s such a catch.

Definitely not unique to straight guys...

^^ Definitely would never apply to any straight woman

Women are lousy when it comes to rim jobs. They MIGHT lick the butt cheeks but then just poke their tongue around in the air and not get the job done.

Most straight guys are like overgrown frat boys: immature, lacking in social skills, shitty in bed, looking for a mommy to organise their life & take care of them.

Can't tell if R41 is serious or not...

I grew up with mostly straight male friends in college and beyond... this was literally all I heard. And they'd show pictures of what some of these women looked like (from last year's yearbook... it was the olden days) and how picky they were was amazing.

Can't imagine why they'd be skittish, R42.

Rimming is a vector for intestinal parasites, regardless of how clean the ass hole is (parasite eggs are too small to see). How is it even a turn on to lick where someone shits - I will never know.

females get a better orgasm without a male. males just want to stick their penises into a vagina, but this is not what gives a woman the most pleasure. unless there is love, friendship and intimacy involved, females don't need a male for a satisfying sexual pleasure.

[quote]the average person only has about 7 different sex partners in his or her entire life.

Whaaat? That seems really low.

As a woman, I love this post.

Straight men really do think they’re hot shit, even (and especially) the ones masquerading behind the ‘nerdy, nice, humble’ persona. Society castigates a ‘gol’digga’ or a finicky girl, but the entitlement runs so much deeper in the average straight man. They don’t even see anything wrong with demanding a whore/Madonna status symbol (they literally rate women like cars) for nothing but room-and-board in return, or with whining about the unattainability of a faithful ‘pure’ woman then filling their harddrives with the most degrading porn.

The worst part of it is almost all of our fathers, brothers, uncles and teachers are like this as well as any potential lovers. All these hetero men running amok and guided only by their selfish needy Ego drives.

Listen to any man without a filter and you’ll realise straight away what they’re all about. To this end I like to check out the stand-up sets & podcasts of typical ‘libertarian’ comics periodically. It reminds me to avoid straight men like the Black fucking Plague and interact with them only if necessary.

What's with these blanket statements about women not liking sex??? I'm in my late 20s, so maybe my libido will change, but I've always loved sex. I just don't need a man to achieve orgasm, and a lot of times the fantasy of sex is better than the reality. SO MANY straight men have no idea how to fuck.

Sex with women is great, but lesbians are very insecure when it comes to dating bi/queer non-lesbian women. I think spiritual connection overrides all other factors...when I'm super connected to someone, the sex is always great.

MY PUSSY STINKS!!

your mouth too R51

Op, I find it hard to believe that your friend of 39 years old, who is gainfully employed, good looking, not fat and decent sized dick had not gotten laid in 12 years unless he is a troll.

Questions;

Is he an addict/achololic (active, not recovering)?

Does he have a personality disorder/bi-polar/anger management/other metal illness?

Has he lied to you about his dick size?

Live with his parents?

Looking for women way out of his league. Model chaser? Looking for 10s but a 6 himself?

Talk Anime or video game? Women hate that shit if not into it themselves.

Trump voter?

Sports bar, brah, with limited convesation about anything not sports or his job?

All the above shit is not getting laid by me or anyone else I know.

If the women I know are any indication they marry nice guys and fuck assholes. The bigger the asshole, the more a woman will be desperate to fuck him.

Women hate guys who pay attention to them and get wet over guys who ignore them. As a gay man I'm polite to women I don't know but otherwise ignore them and you can't believe how many of these women are falling over themselves to get my attention.

Women who have careers and interests, and make good money are no longer desperate to marry. Financially secure women can have children without a partner. Most men are NOT THAT GREAT in bed. So a guy better have something to offer in terms of brains, personality, and be financially stable. That leaves out a lot of guys. My friends daughters are in their 30s, successful, attractive. They never lack for dates, but most men don’t make the cut to relationship status.

r55, that is not true, It is true for women under 30 but not over 30. I think that ops friends are probably 39-50 trying to date women 20-29. That is likely the problem right there.

I also had a conversation with a guy that blew my mind, every think he said he was told to do in order to get a woman he was really into to be his went against everything women are being told to do.

So there is a complete disconnect i what women and men want and how they go about getting it. Everything the man thought was right was enough to have a women believing he wasn't interested.

He said things like he isn't supposed to call, let her do the calling. Don't act interested and let the woman come to you. Everything, I've ever been told is tthe opposite. Women are told things, like if he is interested he will let you know, he will call, never call the man. If he isn't calling or too busy, it means he is just not that into you. Move on and don't chase after him.

I really wonder how we still have a population.

R54 and R55 have no idea what they are talking about.

As I grow older, my high school female chums are becoming widowed faster than their husbands. Having been privy to a little too many TMI conversations, most of these ladies are just about the clit. If the man can't or want to that, they are gone. Most of these women prefer their sexual devices. Just my observation from around a dozen women.

R53 Fuck off n die already. This thread is not for males and nunya fucking bizness to all your stupid questions.

[quote]every think he said he was told to do

[quote]If the man can't or want to that

[quote]nunya fucking bizness

This thread is slipping deeply below DL standards (oh dear).

R50 we're not insecure, we just know bi/queer girls=beware: only good for sex and have no desire to be with a woman romantically and will always end with a man.

Why waste time on someone you already know has no interest in forming a committed, or even monogamous relationship with you?

And BTW the thread is not about marrying or dating some good girl, take home to mama type Cinderella, it is about getting some tail. That is all.

Also reminded of a friend of my sister’s ex. Another guy who was decent-looking, intelligent, decent job, etc. Not exactly HOT, but not ugly either. He was sarcastic, nerdy, he could have gotten a cute girl. He hadn’t been laid in a decade. Superficially there was nothing wrong with him. I used to ask “why doesn’t Mike have a girlfriend ever?” The consensus was that he was deep-down gay, and in love with my sister’s boyfriend. Or his standards were too high. But that’s a form of self-sabotage, so I always think those guys aren’t really interested in sex/women.

I went home with dozens of strangers (mostly men) when I was in my 20s and 30s. I had a high sex drive and no desire for a steady relationship. A lot of times I went out for the sole purpose of getting laid. If the guy was a horrible kisser or had bad breath, there's no way I'd leave the bar/club with him. Someone who gets clingy, controlling, or jealous during the first thirty minutes of acquaintance, that would scare me away immediately. The guy's looks weren't very important, but he did need to seem like he would be a fun fuck and not planning to kill me.

R59 is a thirsty bitch. See what I mean?

It's taken until R65 to state the obvious: a man who hasn't had sex with a woman in over a decade doesn't want it, otherwise he would make the seemingly minimal effort (say "hi," don't be a serial killer) required to have hetro sex. He's either asexual or gay.

R65, he may be more interested in porn.

Agreed, if a man really wants sex he can easily buy it....or just...take it by force as horrible as that sounds-but that's life.

R70 Hope someone rams a huge ax in your head cuz... that's life.

R65 Of course you think everyone is fucking gay.

r68 exactly. A man that wants sex can find it, if a man hasn't found a woman to have sex with in years, he deep down does not want it. Maybe it's all the available porn making him lazy for a real woman, or he isn't interested in women.

A lot of guys just don’t want to deal with all the time, money and expense involved in just getting to possible casual sex with a woman. A lot of women position themselves as spoiled divas and try to get as much out of multiple guys by using the promise of sex as leverage. Ultimately a lot of guys find porn to be much less hassle and often just as satisfying.

When I hear all the hoops my straight guy friends have to jump through just to hook up with women I wonder why they even bother at all.

Economics is a huge factor. Most women expect to be wined and dined for the privilege of intercourse.

My straight guy friends who meet girls on Tinder are so jaded from all the BS games women play. Some of the stories I hear are crazy. A lot of women out there are pretty much shameless grifters when it comes to the dating ritual, even though I’m sure most of them would claim to want full equality with men if you asked them. Good luck with getting them to buy a pitcher of beer or to help pay on a date, though.

R57 Women over 30 are irrelevant.

R54 and R55 are almost the only ones not totally deluded/flat out lying. I guess that’s what you get in a stinkfish thread.

Women want men who make them laugh. Men also have to project confidence. If they don’t project confidence, getting laid will be difficult. Note-I said project rather than be confident.

I agree that the men may have unrealistic standards. Also agree after 35, a lot of women are crazy.

Finally I laugh at the idea straight women don’t want sex. Lots of women want sex, though most want it to be tied to real intimacy.

[quote]Most women expect to be wined and dined for the privilege of intercourse.

you can go to a hooker instead

Sex Robots become available in about 7 years.

Ninety percent of men are chasing ten percent of women. Average guys believe that they are entitled to a spectacularly beautiful woman, and their contempt for other women is so obvious that the average woman can tell when she's being sneered at.

[quote]Sex Robots become available in about 7 years.

I wonder how they're going to get around the fundamental human need of being wanted and desired. Most sane people want sex to be at least *somewhat* reciprocal.

oh..puhlease...stinkfish at least means fitting the whole cock in naturally. not banging against a thick bit of surgically altered skin and and feeling your hemorrhoids on the other side *eyeroll*

[quote]oh..puhlease...stinkfish at least means fitting the whole cock in naturally. not banging against a thick bit of surgically altered skin and and feeling your hemorrhoids on the other side *eyeroll*

lol what is this about?

oh...second glass of wine...maybe wrong thread...was getting ready for crazy T's to come out and wanted to get in early

That is true about guys chasing after unattainable women. They have been ruined by porn so they come to see the average woman as subpar because they’have been jerking off to porn stars since forever.

Gay men are the same, if not worse. That explains why most gay men are single or in an open relationship. Real intimacy and love is a foreign concept and not a priority, despite claims to the contrary.

[quote]Women want men who make them laugh.

That made me laugh.

A man who can make you laugh (as opposed to someone who is generally clowning around and making everyone at the table laugh) is a man with emotional intelligence and empathy. He is attuned to you and curious about you. These are qualities that women find highly attractive.

Sex robots can take their time. Fleshlight's already here, baby.

r61, I am a bisexual female and the op was asking why his straigh male friends could not get laid.

Those are some of the reason. What is wrong with you?

Why r88? It’s true, probably for the reasons r89 states.

I also believe men are unrealistic in their expectations of physical perfection. It’s a lack of maturity IMHO.

Interestingly, I have seen about 5 separate occasions in my life when straight male friends have come out of long term relationships and women in clubs and bars have been all over them. It seems these guys give off some kind of “attached” vibe women respond to. Perhaps it’s more of a less desperate feel? Anyway, this popularity lasts all of a couple of months, then it vanishes and the man remains single and unsuccessful for years sometimes.

It’s totally true that the straight guys I have seen who get the most women are the utter bastards. But what you (as a Male) perceive to be a bastard is not detected by the woman, until it’s too late. Those guys women think are charming, confident and funny (upon meeting) are often the ones who have perfected a very clever and successful act. It’s actually the awkward, shy or seemingly less confident straight guys who are the decent ones. This is why workplace connections are usually the best for straight men, as the woman gets to know the real person over time and within a neutral environment.

So many hetero men walk around wit their God-complexes or untreated/poorly managed NPD proudly on display, which only compounds their inherent entitlement. Once you notice it, it’s astounding.

I have no idea why any woman in this day & age gladly dates men, let alone miserably pines after a long-term committed relationship with one. Straight men for the most part are socialised to become mentally-ill emotional cripples.

R93 STFU. Unless you are a female don't tell us what the fuck women want.

I knew this one str8 guy who was nice, had a good job, drove a Porsche, but was short and very average looking. Nevertheless he wouldn’t look for or at a girl in his league (average looks). So he never got laid, but did end up giving a bunch of beautiful women expensive stuff, and got nothing in return. When I pointed out a cute, personable girl I knew that is a bit chubby, he wanted nothing to do with her. All str8 men, no matter their personal circumstances, think that sooner or later they will get a Gal Gadot or Bar Rafaeli.

R95 Same applies to you. The discussion was about what straight women want not ALL women.

Most women don't do casual sex with strangers cause they have learned to protect themselves.

Most need the emotional link but also most are aware that casual sex and getting a stranger at home is dangerous for them. If women were not afraid (and they're right to be afraid), they would be more open.

Because straight men mostly have awful self-centered personalities, are uninteresting & terrible at sex. If not for the fact that penis feels good (assuming they can even keep it up & working for long enough for you to notice) they’d never get laid at all.

[quote]But what you (as a Male) perceive to be a bastard is not detected by the woman, until it’s too late.

I guess just like other women can spot a manipulative grifter bitch a mile away but the suckers they get their hooks into, don't. Men can be blinded by women, especially hypersexual ones.

I think r93 is perceptive.

[Quote] or Bar Rafaeli.

Haven't heard that name in a while.

I don't believe OP's set up. Good looking, well-employed, well hung guys in their 30s CAN GET LAID.

R98 and R99 speak the truth.

When an attractive dude with a good job can't get/keep girlfriends it's usually because they're a cunt. There's no mystery to it. How your mates interact with you is not necessarily how they treat their girlfriends.

Straight men are fucked up. They all want an “angel” to worship and a “slut” to fuck. If they let women be sexual beings who enjoy sex and not judge them for it, they’d get more ass from more women.

Maybe OP's friends are on some kind of antidepressants and are therefore not interested or motivated or feeling their mojo.

Amen r106

Female here - the straight guys I know who are single have honestly not grown the fuck up yet. Still watching anime, cartoons, and bitching they don't have a girl, yet they don't put themselves in any situation to meet one in person. They stay in and play games.

Also, hitting on women while you are shit-faced just isn't attractive. If you have to get that drunk to talk to a woman, we don't want you in our beds.

R109 Exactamundo, lezzie.

That would explain why so many straight men are absolutely fucking useless in bed.

Most straight men are awful lovers

Because straight men NEVER have had that much sex. Why do you think HIV and other STIs are much more prevalent, a magnitude more prevalent than in straight communities? Because on average a straight man will have eight to twelve sexual partners (defined as intercourse) in a lifetime. A gay man will average more than a hundred in a lifetime. This was from a Johns Hopkins study from 2005.

It show STIs had nothing to do with sexuality but merely exposure to partners.

OP, why are you such an asshole? See you're the type of gay guy I can't stand. You judge others and have the nerve to say these men are your friends but you're just so fucking superficial. Are you in heat or something? Maybe they haven't had sex in a while because they don't want to or they're not wrapped up in their dick like you seem to be. I hope these "friends" can see you for what you are. A pathetic, trashy, horned up, stereotype.

OP : the question would be for these men not for straight women.

Why come here to ask women anything? Or are you just trying to get us talking about women?

Maybe because women frequent this board as well as men, R116? Not to mention that DL attracts a wide audience of different perspectives.

OP If these men are so "perfect"(and they don't find the right woman), ask them if they are straight.

(R117) : DL attracts women, mostly straight, because they are "out of step" and they think gay men can give them answers about men (they know men so they understand them better than she do...).

[quote]Women want men who make them laugh. Men also have to project confidence. If they don’t project confidence, getting laid will be difficult. Note-I said project rather than be confident.

This is totally true. Though a lot of these so-called humorous men, aren't very funny at all. Especially the ones who appear confident, yet they are incredibly insecure.

I worked with a guy who was short, fat, and not particularly good looking, but he was a 'life of the party' type. He had ton of friends both in and out of work. He was engaged, he lived with his GF, who was really good looking! Yet he was fucking so many women on the side, even a few we worked with! It was totally baffling. One guy in the department called him The Walking Fire Plug.

I didn't understand how this guy had so many friends and how he was fucking so many women He certainly wasn't charming or good looking. If the guy has other positive attributes, sometimes women can get past the short height. To me, this guy was nothing but an annoying sarcastic troll.

Most of his jokes were cruel, they were usually at others expense. He was basically a sociopath. One of his ideas of a joke, to a very attractive tall fashionista older woman, he told her, "That outfit looks good....for you and your age. On Anna, it would be totally amazing!" Meanwhile, this jerk literally looked like a fucking troll doll. Guess he gave so many of the women in the department digs because most of them were taller than him!

Last I heard his fiancée left him for some guy she met on the subway. She then married the subway guy, he was attractive, tall and hot. Of course, he had a better job than The Walking Fire Plug.

It's always nice when something bad happens to a fish!

R116 The question/thread was not directed at you. If a question about toxic, sexless eunuchs who live under bridges comes up, you will be our troll. Until then find some fentanyl.

Touché.

I know a tubby average looking guy women are attracted to because he can TALK. He's knowledgeable, confident, humorous, and he enjoys female company. They flock to him over the swaggering hot guy who hasn't a think to say and can't carry on a conversation. That's number one.

Because they want to screw out of their league OP, then whine about stuck up bitches and what a great guy they are. It probably happens in the gay world too.

I'm here for the laughs, gossip and often interesting conversation R119. I'm sure that not unusual regardless of gender.

~ woman

I found you when I found out Harvey Levin was a Trump humper. R126

got into relationships with a couple of these fuckers.

guy a--typical nerdy nice guy, not attractive (cute in youth, let himself go) but interesting. more time with computers than people. had large resentments dealing with past relationships, and grew up with Supermom. large ego about how smart he was, which he hid behind sonewhat false humility. Conclusion: egotistical troll.

guy b--blue collar, but not always. very tall, attractive, and nice. had women offering him money to become their sperm donor(!). a couple past relationships that seemed to end over something petty. Mom a drunk and abusive. seemed convinced that women only wanted him for his dick. emotionally unavailable, in large part for anything serious. celibate for 5 years when i met him. Conclusion: very likely gay

guy c--40 years old and living with mom. need i go on? i will. she still washed his clothes and packed his lunch. she held title to his car. when he went to fill out some semi-official paperwork, she grabbed it and started filling it out for him. no balls, and too lazy to get any. Conclusion: total turnoff

common denominators: odd relationships with mothers, emotional immaturity on a deep level

Fun fact, OP: the world population of women relative to men has been steadily declining for decades. Now the world's population of women is well below 50% what the male population is. It's thought that sex-selective abortions have something to do with this, but there may be other factors as well. This may have something to do with the rise of MRA/incel types: the perception of these men that they may not get a girlfriend has a basis in reality.

I'm a gay guy, women bitch to me alllll the time about straight guys.......

My friends tell me they all suck in bed, they all tell me they only go down on a woman for a few seconds and then they want a woman to suck them off and worship their dick and swallow their cum like its manna from heaven. Or they want to shoot their cum on her face or in her eyes. They beg for anal. One told me when they fuck they move her legs around all over like a twister doll. She told a guy to "stop moving my fucking legs around!" Maybe the guy seen it in porn or something she said.

She said they sweat way too much, she said sex with a straight guy is nasty business. She said imagine having a sweaty hairy horny pig rutting on you like a retard having an epileptic fit..... also said they want you to be their mommy and cleaning up after straight men is utterly revolting especially in the bathroom.......They eat too much food like fucking pigs and take massive smelly shits. You don't want to use a bathroom after a fucking straight guy their shits smell so bad i'm surprised the paint wasn't bubbling and peeling off the bathroom walls.....if you light a match in the bathroom after them you could blow the fucking roof off the house......they clog the plumbing with their disgusting body hair that sheds everywhere in the house like an animal.....they cause MENtal illness...

One of them has a theory that the more men a women sleeps with the less pretty and cute she is and that dicks are like poisonous mushrooms that make a women age and turn them ugly.....

Their cum is nasty, cum is disgusting penis boogers,have ugly stinky ass feet, disgusting body hair, sweaty, smelly, selfish, sociopathic, creepy,greedy, lying, boring, poor social skills, entitled, bestial, porn addicted and riddled with sexual perversions, have hairy assholes that trap shit and leave shit skid marks on there underwear, give women UTIs STDs make them fat, they all cheat........ and on and on and on.

R130 OMG that was the funniest thing I have read on here in a long time. All true. W/W. Add mansplaining to that list.

OP Do you want an honest answer or a PC answer?

Honestly? I have a few friends just like yours. Have you asked them the ages of their previous girlfriends, and how old they were at the time?

The truth is that many straight men go through a crisis in their early to mid 20s, when they realise its no longer socially acceptable for them to fuck young teenagers. Some of them will have a last go at seducing a 16-17 year old ( that's as old as they can tolerate) and when that peters out they become effectively celibate.

They then blame women for not fucking them but the fact is that adult women aren't their thing. They don't want women, they want girls.

A couple of ( drunk, honest) male friends explained to me at the age of 20 after I'd been getting repeatedly rejected ( despite being skinny and attractive and all the things I was supposed to be at the time). That I had already " aged out" of the dating scene for guys within my own age group. They were looking for girls 5 years younger. Some of them never stop looking.

If you don't believe me get them good and drunk and ask them.

Lmfao R130. You're not wrong.

OP = Incel

R134 Calling everyone an incel is classic projection, fucker. You are the original incel.

R135 You have to be straight and an American to be one, also, don't think you have any idea what 'projection' means

R136 Fuck you, cunt. Projection is when a cheater goes around calling everyone else a cheater. Or a thief imagines everyone else is stealing from him. Such a hard concept to get, incel.

R137 Yet I am still gay so cannot be an incel.

R138 the term is not exclusive to straights or americans, you stupid fuck. It just means involuntarily celibate so it can refer to anyone. 90 year old bitches who have not been fucked in decades are incels. You really are the stupidest fuck to post on here. Just because most straight men fit the term incel does not mean it is exclusive.

Will they settle for a 39 year old woman who looks like a female version of them? Or are they holding out for the barely legal supermodel of their dreams? Therin lies the answer to your mystery.

R139 Yep, only straights, only american baby men that think women owe them sex, nobody owes american baby straight men anything.

R140 To answer your question, biologically speaking women lose their mojo way faster than men. While most straight men are as disgusting and laughable as R130 describes. Females, who are average and fat, are even more sexless and unfuckable than straight men. I can imagine a 50 year old average man getting laid, but not a female in the same demographic. Only the most extreme déclassé bottom feeding straight man would fuck an old hag.

LMAO, R130. Ha ha ha! I agree about the sex part. No wonder these guys have trouble getting dates.

R142 = challenged and not afraid to brag about it

Lol. Takes one to know one.

Just the fact that R142 calls a fifty year old woman an "old hag" explains it all.

There are a lot of attractive people of both sexes at age fifty. And there are a lot more fat, slovenly men with beer bellies at age fifty. And they want to fuck supermodels when they look like middle-aged, dumpy actors in beer commercials.

Here's a picture of Emma Thompson. She is 59. By any normal standard, she looks good for her age. But men don't want a woman who looks good for her age, they want a seventeen year old. No amount of intelligence, charm, education or looks can ever make up for the fact that she is not seventeen. She's not a person, she's a body. An old body.

Why would any woman in her right mind want to mommy some guy for twenty or thirty years only to be thrown away for the crime of aging? What's the point? They all cheat. You have to put up with their cheating for years until they're too old to cheat. Then you're supposed to feel lucky that you're stuck with them when they're old and sick and too broken down for some other woman to want them. That's considered a "happy marriage." All those "happy fifty year marriages" consist of a woman that raised the kids and kept the house clean and a man that fucked around so much he barely had time to put his dick back in his pants. And no condom at home or with the girlfriend either. You're being exposed to everything with no protection.

Every woman I know with a long marriage had to put up with frequent cheating and being treated condescendingly and generally like a sack of shit. All for the privilege of putting up with a sick, cranky old man and wiping his shitty ass when he's old. And this is "lucky." Most women are tired of that and won't take it any more. If they were both going to take care of each other in their old age, fine. But thirty year marriages where she gets tossed to the curb like a used car? And then she's too old and used up for anybody else to want her. For what? Women with anything going for them have had it with that shit.

R132, so true. I've had two straight male friends tell me that most men want underage girls, even 12 year olds (!) At 45 I know that I'm off men's radar, so I don't bother. I find dating women better but it's so much harder to find them and I'm lazy :D

The straight old hags won't find much sympathy here on DL, LOL.

R53---You asked it ALL! Every single point I would make about the unfuckable male subset, I don't have to type because you did all the work. There is no getting past someone who is BORING, with dull, solitary/self-involved interests. I might also ask: Does he have a passport that has been used at least ONCE?

“The straight old hags” think the men aren’t worth the trouble, R148. They’re happier alone or hanging out with other straight old hags.

The idea that women are desperately trying to get any old kind of male straight old hag, no matter how selfish or disgusting, is an antiquated idea. This isn’t the 1950s any more.

Read the thread.

[quote]Will they settle for a 39 year old woman who looks like a female version of them? Or are they holding out for the barely legal supermodel of their dreams?

My brother's in his 30's and I suspect he'll never marry. He isn't looking for a female version of himself or a supermodel, but according to him the pool of available women usually come with so much baggage it simply isn't worth it. First, there's the kids--who needs to walk into a ready made family? Second, there's usually the ex-husband(s) and/or boyfriend(s), (who may or may not be the father of the kids) hanging around, skull fucking the woman and the kids, and generally causing problems whenever they can. Lastly, these women generally seem to come with a giant stack of unpaid bills, maxed out credit cards, and credit ratings down in the not very gifted IQ range.

My brother's no prize as far as looks, but he's sane, has a good job, owns a house, has some money in the bank, and seems to live a pleasant but solitary life. Why would he trade that for life in a circus?

R1, you are red-tagged as a troll, biatch

Yeah, R150.

R146, R142 is a 20-something basement dwelling queen who knows nothing about real live outside of Tv soaps, no use arguing with it.

It doesn't matter what straight men "want." Unless they have millions of disposable cash, they're not going to get it. They're going to be alone watching porn with one hand on tiny dick.

R153 Sits in her ghetto bachelor palace on public assistance, living on food stamps and The Price i$ Right wishing she was not a fat, smelly, disgusting frau who no one would fuck in a million years.

[quote]I've had two straight male friends tell me that most men want underage girls, even 12 year olds (!)

A 12-year-old is a little girl. Think of what you were like at 12, how far from adulthood you were mentally and emotionally, not to mention physically. These men are pedophiles.

While I agree that a lot of straight men are expecting someone out of their league, I think the same thing has happened to a lot of straight women. Convinced by the world that they really are as hot as their social media photos, these girls are, as we used to say, 4's looking for 9's, so you have both sexes expecting more but offering less.

Also, the rise of the "kidult" has meant that many straight men and women don't get to experience single life as it used to be - a one bedroom flat in a not so great location, with a limited social life as they grow older. Now they live at home forever, or have roomates for years and are plugged into social media 27/7. The reality of being alone is not what it used to be.

R155 I do remember being 12 and at that point adult men had been coming on to me for 3 years. I went through puberty early. Talk to any woman and she'll tell you the same.

I wouldn't say they're not pathalogical in some way but there are so many of them encouraging one another that I think they feel its normal and OK. Plus our media kind of normalises the sexualization of kids.

R157 OH my god! What trauma. ONly solution is OD on some fentanyl. Quickly now.

For the most part, I try to avoid straight men as much as I can. I mostly interact with gay or bi men.

I don't know if I'll ever get married, but not getting married is okay if I can save myself 30+ years of being mommy to someone. I've known too many straight men who would use me as an emotional tampon and it does not feel good. I've learned to put my foot down when I've had enough and hit the block button. I'm not going to waste any time on people who suck out my energy.

Avoiding straight men is NOT equivalent to being so ugly, fat, and repulsive that you are a chancre sore on the prolapsed anus of humanity.

straight men of the age in the opening post are either married, gay, or defective.

since they are not A, it's B or C.

R161 clearly you would know, incel maggot.

OK, here’s my insight into straight guys mind:

I got laid off about seven weeks ago and since then have kept in touch with former coworkers as we search for new employment.

One of them is a really good looking guy in his early 30s. He has a toddler at home and has recently confided that he’s having marital difficulties. His wife works so they had his mother-in-law look after the baby. Even though he is unemployed now and home all day, the baby still goes to mother-in-law‘s house while wife is at work. This is because he claims he is busy looking for jobs and when he’s not looking for jobs he’s trying to Destress by drinking beer and playing video games waiting for his wife to come home and get dinner on the table.

R163 is not only a frau but a stupid, braindead illiterate bitch. What insight did your post provide? Nothing.

I laugh to myself at some of the adulation of married straight guys. Most of them are shit in bed, manbabies, and not that great at hygiene. I think you would be disappointed.

Getting laid (for straight guys) is about projecting a very very specific sort of self-confidence. There are also Some factors regarding maturity when it comes to self presentation such as haircut, hygiene, and clothing but again that very specific sort of self-confidence is something that has to be learned and once it is learned, it pays dividends forever

R163: YEP! Doesn't that just say it all.

Straight female here: worst example is I once dated a man (handsome, good job, personable, sociable). He invited me home to 'meet the parents' and I was thrilled. Until I saw his mother cut up his food for him and buttered his bread roll.

Goodbye was all she wrote.

[quote] I've known too many straight men who would use me as an emotional tampon and it does not feel good.

That shit started with my father, and I made it a point to avoid straight guys in adolescence and even College because of it. I believe I'm saner, happier and better off because of it. It's a form of self-defense.

R169 They literally come to you asking for advice on basic social situations. During this one summer, this one straight dude would text me all the time telling me about how much he likes this girl. I kept telling him that he should tell her what he tells me but he never did. He never took initiative to tell her. He even said something that I found hilarious. His celebrity crush is Scarlett Johansson. He would say "This girl is prettier than ScarJo even!"

This is what a typical straight dude is like. They want to bitch and complain all the time but they never take initiative to solving their own problems and they want women who look better than literal celebrities.

R164 = the guy R163 is referring to

This will be a good thread to block the fraus who have invaded us.

R172 = illiterate who can't read OP's question

They probably are stupid and only hit on girls that are way to good for them. I feel sorry for them too but they need to figure things out and they need to grow some balls.

r10, you need to get over the "video games are immature" kick.

The only reason people think videos games are just for kids is because THE OLDER GENERATIONS NEVER HAD VIDEO GAMES and the first ones to come out were simple and intended for kids.

Then computer technology and animation got good and in the '90s, they started making sophisticated games for adults.

So don't call them immature when they're a totally different animal from PAC MAN and female senior citizens line up around the block for HARRY POTTER and TWILIGHT.

Your age, your ignorance and your disconnect is showing.

Bullshit, r29.

Maybe if the women are in their 20s and just learning to date.

They're not going to settle down with a loser who doesn't have a job unless they're really naiive.

It's not about "tricking," r29, or marriage, necessarily.

But it's still about USING the man economically.

No one, man or woman, marries someone who hasn't a job. It's simply not economically viable any more.

There may be a few exceptions here or there, but that is the general rule.

r175, on please. Play it but don't be proud of it if you don't have kids.

It is always going to be a dead topic with women. It's wasting time and don't do it too much or talk about it. Or stay dateless.

I recall one tall, good looking, well hung guy (cyclist - new already) who on our first date (we worked together, knew him for a while) started telling me about the problem he had with blow and I was like what is wrong with him sharing so much so soon. Every conversation we ever had was about him. I think I was his therapist substitute. Too much too soon.

I’m so grateful that growing up gay in the 90s, I learned not to expect a traditional relationship. Every one I’ve seen - including my siblings - is horrible. From my perspective, it’s the women who constantly bitch at the husband and feel like because they now have kids, the husband is trapped with them. I think guys instinctively like the idea of kids but don’t want to deal with them. Straight guys are whipped as far as I can tell. I would never put up with the abuse they do from a gay partner. And I’m including my 2 sisters in this group. They are downright abusive, nasty, miserable people - I don’t understand why the husbands put up with it.

There's a whole lot of B.S. from contaminated misandrists on this thread.

r146 is just slandering men — statistics show that only between 14 a and 20 percent of men cheat.

She's either the jilted lover of one asshole or a lesbian who just resents male attention and pressure. Like r130 probably is.

There are fewer overweight women in middle age than overweight men?

B.S. Give me a break!

Straight guys don’t think of children as independently thinking people who will do whatever they want and think whatever they want and you have to cope with it. They think of “carrying on the family name,” or “look ma, see what I did!” Like kids are junior partners in a corporation, not people who will do and say whatever the fuck they want, that they have to support no matter what, even if they are defective or ugly or disobedient. They’re not participation trophies.

They are too narcissistic to realize even young kids are going to say no, sneak around, and lie. Babies are poop machines that can’t be left alone for a second. It’s like they have no idea what a baby is, and they’re surprised when their baby acts like every other baby in the history of the world.

They want kids to show how virile they are and obey them, period. Kids are supposed to be like slaves, obedient property. When they aren’t they are enraged and blame the mother or the kid. It never occurs to them the kid is just doing what it says on the tin.

I know guys who are angry because their kid is not athletic and is a nerdy klutz, or who are disappointed because their daughter is not a beauty or popular. Like they think their own genes have nothing to do with how the kid turned out. And they take it out on the kid.

And then there’s all the women who won’t even date, because they have to worry about ending up with some nut job who wants to beat or kill their kids from a previous relationship, to get them out of the way so they can be all alone with mom.

I live next door to a Mommy Frau. She had a Facebook account describing herself as “mommy to Madysn,” and doted on the little darling when she first moved in. Toys in the yard, Madysn happily yelling. Mommy got a new bf. After a night when we could hear New Boyfriend shouting, Madysn screaming hysterically and mommy coldly telling Madysn repeatedly, “you’re okay, stop crying, you’re okay,” Madysn disappeared. So did the toys. It’s like Madysn never existed. This gives me the creeps. I never even saw a moving van. I honestly don’t know if Madysn went with dad or if she’s even alive. Mommy Frau used to yell at New Boyfriend all the time. She never did again. He’s still there.

Assuming you’re a woman with any self respect, which Madysn’s mom is not (any more, she sure had a mouth on her before New Boyfriend showed up), you have to be constantly vigilant about letting guys near your kid. Because they take over everything, intimidate everyone, and rule with an iron fist a lot of the time. Pick the wrong one and the whole family is tiptoeing on eggshells trying to keep them calm. That “ I am the man of the house and my rule is law” shit is not over. That’s why educated women with prospects aren’t eager to marry the first guy they can catch and have kids any more. It’s risky.

Really, r179? I need kids to play video games?

Because you're only as good in as many children you can produce. Otherwise, you're worthless!

Who's a woman posting from 1954 now?

Women are very strategic with sex, until they fall in love.

But seriously, I really believe that must straight women have never really had an orgasm. Some may think they have, but most haven't.

R186 Unless you have a cunt, you have no right to comment on one. What would a gay guy know about vajeens?

Contrary to some of the comments here, a lot of women like sex and do not find it necessary to connect on an emotional level when looking for a sexual encounter. Some men and women tend to look for partners who are much better looking than they are while rejecting those at their own physical and mental level or lower, which is is likely part of the problem. If you are looking for someone out of your sphere, it helps to have a great personality (or money). Women will even consider men who are less attractive or mentally engaging if they aren't too creepy or smelly, and I know a few women who will fuck literally anyone. There are also some people who can't get laid because they are too afraid to approach the opposite sex and may be unwittingly ignoring or blocking the subtle signals that may eventually lead to an encounter.

Straight woman here who has had orgasms. Many of them. Good at giving them to myself and at showing a man how to give them to me, too. I love sex, but I am not willing to make love to a man who doesn't care about me.

So if men aren't getting laid, I find it's because they are really asking, "Why am I not getting serviced?" In other words, they want a woman to come over and blow them, or fuck them, but they are lazy and do not care about what she wants. He essentially wants a free hot hooker. Not all women want every man to be a once-in-a-lifetime love affair, but they do want to feel valued. They want to be considered someone worth seeking out, talking to, taking out to dinner. Introduce her to your friends, do fun things together. That is not saying they have to be romantic heroes but minimally social would be nice.

Men are lazy now. They like porn, and they go 12 years without sex because they don't WANT to have to put out even minimal energy. It is the thing they envy about their gay friends ----- who can go out and get laid anonymously every night of the week. And when they talk to their gay friends about not getting laid in 12 years, they like to paint this as a problem with modern women. But the problem is really that they are lazy and masturbation is cheap.

R187, a vag has nothing to do with an orgasm.

Read to R10 and stopped. Nailed about 95% of it.

R186, I do not believe that most men have ever had an orgasm, or have enjoyed them if they have. I don’t have a penis, but what has that got to do with it?

On a more serious note, because I can tell you’re really trying to understand this, it’s very easy for a woman to have an orgasm by masturbation. They do it all the time. The reason people in the 1950s-1960s thought women were frigid was because men were unbelievably lousy lays. They refused to go down on women or do anything to stimulate the clitoris.

Women need to lubricate to enjoy sex without pain and they can’t do it in two seconds. It takes time. A lot of straight men are still like that. They think women’s genitals are filthy and disgusting and have no interest in stimulating them. Imagine your partner had anal sex with you and never ever touched your penis, or touched it for about thirty seconds at the beginning and then after you were aroused, left it alone and never touched it again. After a while you wouldn’t want sex any more, because when sex starts meaning “blue balls,” why bother? Just go in the bathroom and jerk off. When there’s kids and community property involved, and you’re financially dependent, it’s even worse.

There’s was a big thing in that era of describing women as “frigid” as if it was a big insult. What it really means is, “I’m a terrible lay and it’s your fault.”

I left out the part about, your partner gives you blue balls, is done in two minutes and is in the other room getting a snack while you are lying in bed going, “WTF?”

Women are more independent today, and don't need the financial security of a man, as was the case many years ago. They still have sex, but more on their terms now. A lot of straight men (not all) have a hard time dealing with that, and have an entitled attitude.. which is a huge turn off for many women. Although R1's comment was trolled.. there's some truth in it. Most women go for emotional and secure connections. There are some that just want sex, but men seem more built that way.. sex at any time.

R10.. Nailed the ugly truth of straight men today.

R189 Makes many good points. Finally on DL, an articulate and intelligent woman. Not many of those around.

R192 Excellent post. A huge reason for the battle of the sexes is plumbing. Men are lazy narcissists when it comes to sex. They just wanna stick it in, clumsily, shoot their flaccid load into a hole, any hole, then fall asleep or catch the bus. As others have mentioned here, women are built differently, they cannot cum from some loser sticking it in for a few seconds. So that makes it obvious why they would not want to fuck most men, who are just Peter Pan types anyway. Very enlightening thread. On another note, casual sex for me is worthless. Sometimes I get tempted to have a fuckbuddy over but then I just masturbate and wisely decide it is not worth the time, risk, or expense.

[quote]Finally on DL, an articulate and intelligent woman. Not many of those around.

Talk about a backhanded compliment...

Yeah -porn is a big part of the answer. Honestly even as a gay men with relatively easy access to sex, I often think it’s just so much easier to whack off and save the time and emotional drama of hooking up. I cant imagine if I was straight and had to do all the social BS - seeming like I care, going on dates, being treated like a servant - that I would bother putting in the effort when I can cum in 10 minutes to a more specifically designed, exciting fantasy on video.

[quote]they only go down on a woman for a few seconds and then they want a woman to suck them off and worship their dick and swallow their cum like its manna from heaven. Or they want to shoot their cum on her face or in her eyes. They beg for anal.

Most gay men would be happy to oblige and then make him a snack afterwards.

You like having cum in your eyes? I used to date a guy that thought it was funny to burn my eyes. Made him feel like he was getting away with something.

You can get stds or pink eye from cum in eyes. Disgusting.

It's tough to date or a have a relationship, for anyone. I suspect most straight men would love the sexual freedom that gay men have and now that they do, with Tinder etc. they wonder why they are lonely.

The happiest guys are probably the ones who are single and have a few female friends they can hook up with and talk to, without pressure.

You mean a fuckbuddy? LOL. As if. Straight males don't get free whores to fuck.

R184, call CPS.

As for straight men who can't get laid, "you can't be ugly, broke, AND and asshole".

Only if you look like a young Brad Pitt.

This thread is a monument to the horrors of heterosexuality.

Most straight women fake orgasms or have never had a real orgasm. Sex is transactional for straight women. Always has been and always will be.

R208 in other words het women are just whores. From the mouth of a lesbian. Awesome.

Straight married woman here. My theory as to why some straight guys can't get laid is simple: They love sex, but they don't love women or even like them that much. You can see this attitude in their angry, resentful posts on social media. They are only interested in getting laid (and showing off a hot babe to their friends), not in actually getting to know and like the woman.

These men have probably never been just friends with a woman. Maybe some of them grew up without a sister, and they truly don't know how to relate to a woman. Some are just self-centered or socially awkward. But whatever the reason, they seem to view their lack of success with women as the fault of all women. Dating to them is a game that they can only win by getting the most sex for the least outlay of time and money. If a woman won't sleep with them after a couple of dates, they lose interest. That's because they only care about their own sexual gratification, not her. Dating to them is nothing more to a means to that end.

[quote]This thread is a monument to the horrors of heterosexuality.

Yes, it does give the impression that straight culture has women and men as adversaries, with sex as the battleground.

[quote][R208] in other words het women are just whores. From the mouth of a lesbian. Awesome.

No, they are not. There is no need to take this to the lowest common denominator.

You cannot take it back. You said het women use sex as transactional, like a prostitute. You admitted women are whores.

r210: I am a straight woman. I completely agree with your post. I was writing the same thing and then deleted it when I read yours. The sad fact for most straight men is that they don't really like women. I think that's particularly true of American men. When I was in my late 20s I was in a relationship with a Frenchman for a few years and met several of his colleagues and friends. Most French men, I was amazed to discover, really like their mothers and are genuinely able to be friends with women (and the culture in general is not so macho in the way American culture is). I think the less attractive men who nevertheless can attract highly attractive women, genuinely like women, which includes being interested in a good give and take on all levels, including the ability to be curious about her and really listen in a non self-serving way. and also have a quiet self-confidence. Not showy, but as a woman, you know when a guy has self-confidence and it's very attractive. Being funny helps too--ask Woody Allen (not a fan these days but he has had some great women in his life).

r185, we are talking about straight men. Gay man play all the video games you want, but straight guy, you will be alone.

YES, YES and yes, it'd doesn't go over with women.

R215 I am a gay dude of course, I hate gamers. It is the most useless addiction after gambling. Spend thousands of dollars and thousands of hours on these stupid games.

"The sad fact for most straight men is that they don't really like women."

And most straight women don't really like me.

That's the ugly truth of heterosexuality, the sexes don't particularly like each other, and don't like what the opposite sex expects from them. Being a heterosexual means that you'll probably end up with a partner who doesn't understand your emotional needs, and who definitely doesn't understand your sexual needs. If you need proof that sexual orientation is innate and not fluid or the product of childhood pathology, just look at all the heterosexuals who are unhappy with heterosexuality!

I agree that the most desirable quality in a man is a genuine affection for, and an appreciation of women. I adore a man who loves women. It's easy to tell when you first meet a man; if he doesn't like women, it comes across really quickly. They don't seem to feel the need to even hide their contempt. That is what Frau Blucher was talking about. Men who don't get laid don't see the need to put any effort into it.

As to Leslie the Lesbian? Yeah, you are the lesbian equivalent of the DL misogynist. Transactional? Jesus.

R205, Madysn is long gone months ago. Madysn’s mommy is originally from another state 1000 miles away and I think that’s where her bio dad lives. I’m not even sure if he was in Madysn’s life. Never saw him. I hope he took Madysn back to flyover country.

New Boyfriend seems to have got Madysn’s mommy hooked on drugs. They stay up all night playing loud music and are both unemployed. When they moved in both had jobs. I am praying the bank takes the house before they burn it down.

I did call the cops over the loud music at four am, but when they knocked on the door in the middle of the night, they went silent and they didn’t answer. The cops said they could do nothing because they had no evidence anyone was at risk. Madysn was gone by then. Nothing was done.

Lately I’ve heard other neighbors scream at them in the middle of the night, and now New Boyfriend is being suspiciously quiet. He’s still in there. No job, never leaves. I get the impression he’s hiding. Madysn’s mom hadn’t been seen outdoors for months. I can hear her though. They leave the windows open at night and don’t run the a/c. It’s very hot here so I’m guessing they can’t afford it.

My grandmother once told me to pick your husband carefully because he would have more influence over your life than any other person. She was married seventy years and hated his guts. He cheated on her, she ended up caring for him through illness and dementia. Hating him all the while.

I've slept with several straight women, and they don't understand how to have an orgasm with a partner - even a partner who knows how the female body works. It's conditioning. My GYN tells me women still ask her why they're not having a "vaginal orgasm" or where the "g-spot" is. It's pathetic and I feel sorry for them. This has nothing to do with the usual women want romance cop-out. That's bullshit. It's about not knowing your body.

As far as all of this men today are (whatever), this is a very long story. The last male I slept with was in 1999 and was just as ignorant as today's men. He was only interested in himself and wonder why I wasn't thrilled that he could get it up.

These social retards who can't get a women to date/have sex with them? R194 nailed it. Women aren't looking for men to support them. Men need to learn how to make women interested in them, such as 1. be able to carry on a conversation, 2. be able to have sex where they know and care how their partner feels sexually. Real sex is so not like porn.

[quote]I adore a man who loves women. It's easy to tell when you first meet a man; if he doesn't like women, it comes across really quickly.

I agree; it's an incredibly attractive trait.

[quote]I've slept with several straight women, and they don't understand how to have an orgasm with a partner - even a partner who knows how the female body works.

Since we're all speaking honestly here, let me offer a tip for the ladies. When the guy (or gal for all I know) is down there performing oral sex as best he knows how, would it kill you to offer some guidance? You see, visibility is somewhat limited down there, so all that Cosmo Magazine bullshit (yeah, guys read Cosmo) about flushed, shallow breathing, toes curling, nipples growing erect, and eyelashes fluttering is pretty much lost on us.

Would it kill you to say things like higher, lower, faster, slower, or even a good old "right there, that feels great"? You would think that's pretty basic, but in my experience about the most a guy can hope for is, maybe, a "mmmmm" so I'm never sure if you like what I'm doing or just started eating Ben and Jerry's.

R222 so then why don't YOU communicate that to them? Would it kill YOU to offer THEM some guidance?

R222, most straight women don't know how do offer guidance since they've never done it themselves. And since 99.999% of straight guys are down there for 20 seconds or less, it wouldn't matter.

R224 Bullshit, fucker. You don't speak for all women. Gross generalizations and exaggeration as always.

You all are forgetting that men are sensitive about being given instructions by women--there are even funny bits in movies where the instructing female is being mocked for being so vocal about it--higher, more to the left, etc. I've seen that more than once. Women are afraid to turn the guy off by being too direct sometimes. (Woman here). Some enthusiastic men manage without instructions I should add.

[quote]These social retards who can't get a women to date/have sex with them? [R194] nailed it. Women aren't looking for men to support them. Men need to learn how to make women interested in them, such as 1. be able to carry on a conversation, 2. be able to have sex where they know and care how their partner feels sexually. Real sex is so not like porn.

My straight sister told me a story about how, years ago, she went to freelance for an old art school friend at his small ad agency.

Her friend sat her at a desk next to a guy who immediately started asking her very personal questions: "Are you married?", "Dating anyone seriously?", "Do you have children, if not, do you want children?"

My sister, who has great sense of humor, blurted out, "WTF? I barely sat down to settle into my work and you are asking me very personal questions, you might as well be asking if I bathe and change my underwear daily! WHO are you?" She didn't care how rude she appeared to the idiot guy or whether or not her friend asked her back to work, she was just there a few Saturdays a month to help the friend out, she had a steady job.

My sister said Mr. 20 Questions was so off-putting, even if he was super good looking, she still wouldn't have been interested. Most straight guys are totally lacking in the social graces. If that was the guy's idea of being smooth, he's likely still single.

Another thing with straight people in general, so many tell me, their dates feel like job interviews.

R227 Of course, because of this one anecdote. ALL men are this or that. You are so full of shit.

R225 = unfamiliar with gossip forums

White American men I have been with : Fumbly and teenageresque. Mount. Wham. Bam. Dismount. European men: Take their time. Lots and lots of fingering and foreplay. Luscious. Really "into" a woman's body. African American men: Fuck like they dance. Hot. Hung.

Amazing how much gay men seem to know about straight men and their relationships with women. This thread is hilarious.

The onlooker sees more of the game, R232.

R232 Agreed. Unless you are the owner of a vajeen and have slept with straight men as a bi or straight female, your opinion is absolutely worthless.

Female friends report the following common but persistent turn-offs about men these days: Too much yack about sports; Too much sitting on their asses, watching sports; not taking care of themselves, because they still think of themselves as 17 and in great shape (snicker). They also ALL say that men seize the conversation and turn it around to themselves almost all the time. There is NO sense of curiousity about the women. Men 'try too hard' with wisecracks and shit they pick up from their obvious addiction to comedy specials and television sitcoms and junky summer movies. Men don't take NEAR the care of their personal hygiene that they expect women to: hence, widespread reporting of stinky balls, butts, dicks, mouths, feet, hair. Ick. EAR WAX and old-man ear and nostril HAIR. Snaggly, gross toenails. And for the love of GOD, they say: If you're closing in on 40 (or even 30), DITCH the fucking board shorts, soccer slides, and turned-around baseball caps. You're not kidding anyone and you look like a douche!

And ask any dental hygienist about the straight male mouth. It's like a toilet that hasn't been cleaned in a year.

Just like the nephew trolls stories, not one of your claims about straight men are believable, gay girls. Just give it up.

I don't understand why this touched a nerve, R237, unless you are the one being talked about.

This is probably a kompromat thread by an invading RedPill doing 'research', right? But ok, I'll bite.

[quote] Another thing with straight people in general, so many tell me, their dates feel like job interviews.

R228 mte. A gay/bi date is usually so much more relaxed and reciprocal from the jump.

This season I have been on a few casual first dates with guys, out of curiosity and for the first time since College. I was talking to ostensibly interested and interesting men in all instances and yet still I became very bored very quickly. While all had a few funny or cool anecdotes and a half-decent pun or two, talk inevitably turned either to their niche interests (in one case, military history, which was great for my brain but did nothing for me) or grilling me about what is going on in my personal life. One also took to humble-bragging about very scary violent shit which turned me off instantly (he didn't seem to notice). These were some of the longest and most tense, awkward coffees of my life. On relating the experiences to my straight female friends though, I got delighted coos and genuine surprise ("wow, that/he sounds great!" Uh, does he? is it?).

The worst dates of my life have been with men, in fact; I've even been dumped by a guy mid-date and then text-spammed later (he was an incel/neckbeard/fat nerd so I have no clue who his better option was). It doesn't matter if they're older 'mature' guys with money and nice suits or good looks, it's all the same shit.

I'm going back to women and sticking with them 100, curiosity indulged and satisfied that I'm not missing a thing. I've fallen for guys and desired them before but my attraction to them wanes with every year, and since the reality of being with them sucks I'd rather shrug it all off. Lesbian and w/w dates are the best, anyway, and the most recent one I went on lasted a weekend and I never wanted it to end.

Off topic, but it just occurred to me how low risk lesbian sex is as far as STIs go. What's the worst you can get? Herpes? Chlamydia?

r217, I don't agree. I won't speak for men, but straight women do like men. They may not understand most things about their partner but it's not for lack of trying.

Porn is an issue between the sexes and so his how you've grown up. How you have witness the opposite sex being treated in a relationship makes an imprint on you for how you behave in relationships.

My partner and I spent yesterday afternoon with one of my sisters, who has been dating for a little while. I brought this topic up and, have to admit, her answers made me glad to be be gay and partnered.

Incel dudes deciding that women just aren't worth the effort is pretty funny when it seems like more and more women are starting to realize that a significant number of straight men are autistic layabouts at best and violent sociopaths at worst. The difference is that women tend to be capable of getting along quite well on their own while many men find that life isn't all that satisfying without a live-in maid/cook/nurse/masturbatory aid for them to lord over.

... and what the FUCK is it with this almost religious devotion to bacon and beer as part of the bro culture? It's ludicrous. Everyone gets it: You're really edgy, because you like something that's greasy, fattening, and used to be a big no-no in most peoples' diets. So eat some; enjoy it, and shut your fat, smelly trap. Same with beer. Like some obscure, locally-sourced local, farm-fresh brews? Great. Drink it and stop gassing on about it like it's some fucking nectar of the GODS. Or I'll stick that growler up your doot shoot.

Off topic, perhaps, but I do wonder whether most of the people who use autism as a slur (cf R243) actually know any autistic people, or grasp that a significant number are female.

R245, men with autism (frequently self-diagnosed) have a bad reputation on DL. There have been lots of threads about them.

I don't think DL makes nice distinctions between the diagnosed and the self-diagnosed, R246. They just like demeaning them.

my straight friend (woman) has complained many times about her dirty and smelly boyfriend. She said giving head sucks because all she smells, literally, is shit. How gross is that? And, his dick is dirty and stinks of urine. So, there is that. gross.

Hey, that wedding ring ain't going to buy itself, so she better keep going down there

R248, has she complained to him, and how has he responded? If he doesn't care that it's an unpleasant experience for her and she is willing to put up with it, she's enabling him.

[quote]my straight friend (woman) has complained many times about her dirty and smelly boyfriend. She said giving head sucks because all she smells, literally, is shit. How gross is that? And, his dick is dirty and stinks of urine. So, there is that. gross.

Who in their right mind gives head to a guy who smells bad and of SHIT?! This woman must be incredibly desperate for a man and has clearly settled. How can a grown man not know how to wash his body correctly?! WTF?

I find most of my independent straight female friends actually don't need a man. They all have great jobs, their own homes/co-ops/condos, can travel and basically do anything they want because they don't need a man for his money. Straight men are beginning to understand that women don't need them. Even to get pregnant, women can just get artificially inseminated. Straight men are becoming useless.

A boyfriend I had been with, years ago, had dingle berries on his hairy ass. Nasty..

Wtf is that.

I have a lot of women friends and although the single ones are lonely and very open to sex and r'ships, they are pretty critical of straight men. If a guy is reasonably good-looking, say, a 6-7, has good hygiene, and isn't sketchy, ie having a bad reputation for one reason or other, then these guys who can't find sex are doing something to repel women. Very possibly subtly expressing contempt, making women aware on some level that they don't respect them or are just out to use them. I know that this stance can mask shyness or social awkwardness or fear of rejection. Or maybe these guys are too needy, a real downer. Women want to be acknowledged, made to feel understood, and appreciated.

There will never be peace or compromises in the battle of the sexes. Each side is unable to get the others POV. Some rare folks have the balance somehow but for most these days they are destined to die alone since no one can tolerate them for long or ever.

[quote]So why can't some guys get laid even if in the case of three guys I know, they all have good jobs, are good looking, and well hung. Why are straight guys destined to never have sex. Not even a bit of tail.

Most of these guys have very specific wants: skinny but not bony, not smarter than them, not taller than them, not black, fun enough to bring excitement and light into their mundane lives without being actively embarrassing.

Most of all, they date to impress their fellow straight male friends. Their women must be desirable to others.

R256 not true. Most straight guys I have chatted with say their only criteria is that they not be fat. But sadly their lack of social skills, joie de vivre, or fashion sense dooms them.

They must not be trying very hard. Do they shower?

"not true. Most straight guys I have chatted with say their only criteria is that they not be fat. But sadly their lack of social skills, joie de vivre, or fashion sense dooms them."

Then they complain that their girlfriends are bitches/lazy/golddiggers/crazy/sluts/etc. Well if you're only criteria is appearance, you don't get to complain about their personality and character. And how many of these guys are in good shape themselves? In my experience, the rule for straight men is, 'the uglier the man, the pickier he is about looks'.

R15 Exactly . Average looking gay guy here, good shape but wide variety of interests. After a few minutes talking with a woman, I can sense she's interested in me, because I'm interested in her as a person. No mention of sex, but the attention to skall details is something they don't get from straight men. Invariably I have to tell her I'm gay.

R260, I agree. I find it exhausting to deal with straight men a lot of the time, frankly. Women are less anxiety-inducing because (generally speaking) you know you'll be able to chat and get comfortable without a huge weight of expectation.

By comfortable, I don't necessarily mean platonic, but not feeling pressured.

Alpha female here. The answer is complicated.

Here's the problem: straight men have ruled the world for so long and have had women depend on them for so long that they have grown accustomed to getting attractive women simply because they (men) can take care of them (women). An unattractive slob (Trump) can still pull an attractive woman (Melania) because she has grown used to a certain kind of lifestyle.

But that dependency is going away, quickly. Women are growing independent and no longer need a man to take care of them. Therefore, women's expectations have changed. For sex, women want a hot man; unfortunately, slobby straight men have successfully scored women for so long that they expect females to accept them despite their looks. It's rather unfortunate, but straight men don't take care of themselves like gay men do.

If a man isn't a slob - if he is attractive and well-dressed -then it may be a power difference. An alpha female will tangle with an alpha male as long as they are evenly matched, but when an alpha male assumes a certain superiority due to his job, his privilege, etc., then game over. She won't be an object for him unless he agrees to be an object for her, and when he remains in his subjectivity she won't play with him.

As for those beta females, they won't provide sex unless it comes with gifts, a ring, an engagement, etc. They depend entirely on men to provide for them domestically, and they won't surrender it without an insurance plan.

My guess is your friends are going for beta females (blonde, stupid, bimbos) who are holding out for a financial promise OR they are going for alpha females but still assuming a sense of superiority over them.

An alpha female won't be anybody's secret out of self-respect/esteem. A beta female won't be anybody's secret out of financial desire/need.

R259 STFU, incel maggot.

not poster, but why is r264, ragging on r259, seemed pretty on point.

r263, I think you are right.

Not. Anyone who goes on about alphas and betas proves how ignorant they are. That shit means nothing. Just like the fossils who go on about Kinsey scales that means fuck all to anyone with a brain.

If you don't think power has anything to do with relationships, then you are grossly uneducated.

Many years ago, I read a newspaper article that reported on a large study of bird behavior. It said that in bird species where males and females paired up and raised their chicks together, most males found a mate and passed on their DNA. But in species where offspring were entirely raised by females, most females mated with the best 10% or 20% of the males, and 80% or 90% of the male birds never got a chance to pass on their DNA.

I think we're seeing the same sort of thing in humans, over the last few generations. Straight men have asked to be freed of the primary obligation to be a husband and father, and what with easy divorce and the acceptance of illegitimacy, they've largely got their wish! And if that means they've found that the benefits of sexual freedom mostly go to men who attractive for physical or financial reasons, well tough shit. They've always focused on women they found attractive, why shouldn't women do the same?

The poster who complained about straight men only being capable of talking about sports is correct but it, unfortunately is also true of a lot of lesbians, mostly the butch girls. I work primarily with straight men and every week I have to listen to their conversations about football, football, football and it is SO annoying. They are incapable of holding conversations about anything else. If I meet a lesbian who is also into sports, I'm out. Get some interests in your life other than who ran what ball down some field and scored a point. Fucking hell, that shit is tedious. The worst are the ones who get personally affected by their team losing or winning. You don't fucking play the game. Your feelings about it mean NOTHING. Get a fucking hobby.

Many straight women like sports too, R270. However, there is NOTHING that compares with how obsessed with sports straight men are. Absolutely nothing.

I'm a 30 year old straight woman. I simply find many men where I live unattractive. Also, many are stupid and/or ignorant to the rest of the world. Too many blue collar workers who are just boring people. However, I could get sex any time I want, simply by walking out the door or by swiping right. Most straight men are obsessed with sex but afraid of commitment. Men in their 30s are typically damaged, dragging baggage or stuck in their ways. It's way more fun to date younger guys and despite what DL wants you to believe, straight men love older women, as long as that woman is in shape and takes care of herself.

R269, the 80/20 rule as it (supposedly) applies to human relationships is a tenet of the incel agenda. It has no validity.

I meant to add that I've seen discussions about what I mentioned in my previous post (R261) and some straight men would respond almost aggressively to suggestions that they were doing something wrong and would insist it was the women who had the problem. Fair enough, but don't complain of the outcome!

R272 if you really are a straight female, how is sex with young bucks vs old coots? Are you able to mold the young ones into what you want at least sexually? Or are they just pump and dump minute men like the old coots?

"[R269], the 80/20 rule as it (supposedly) applies to human relationships is a tenet of the incel agenda. It has no validity. "

I don't know, I think that 80% of the straight men are after 20% of the females - the attractive, healthy, fertile women between 18-38 (or 15-35). Including the incels.

But you're right, 80% of the women aren't after the top 20% of the men, not really. Of course they all hope that they'll meet someone handsome, wealthy, good-natured, and great in bed, but IMHO women are much more willing to settle than men. Most of them seem to end up with the ordinary dullards who will dutifully provide for their offspring, the middle 50% of men don't seem to have any trouble getting women for long-term relationships. But those incel loons are all in the bottom 5% if not the bottom 1% or 0.01%, women are perfectly aware they're better off single than getting one of those.

"Are you able to mold the young ones into what you want at least sexually?"

LMFAO!

r273

[quote] the 80/20 rule as it (supposedly) applies to human relationships is a tenet of the incel agenda. It has no validity.

Has no validity? Have you any facts to back that up? The 80/20 rule is spot on I've seen it in observing life and it's been backed by studies and surveys.

If anything I'd say it's more like 10/90 rule now as late millennial/gen y women have become so much much more entitled and delusional about their worth. Het women are fucking awful, and I feel sorry for those poor men that have to appease and jump through hoops for them.

I think this author accurately expounds the 80/20 rule, which needs to be nuanced because it is not as simple as women preferring the top 20 %, but about social contracts, exchanges of power and privileges. As I mentioned, the economic and thus social and sexual freedom now available for women means women are free to pursue who they want for the reasons they want. Most women will choose a physical alpha for sex and a financial alpha for marriage.

I agree that late millennial gen y women overvalue their sexual attraction (some to the point of delusion) but this does not negate the fact that ultimately women want a hot man or a rich man, or a hot rich man. In a monogamous society, things are equal but we are no longer in a monogamous society.

Straight women really don't like sports. They only pretend to as a way to get attention from men. When they were kids, Daddy only paid attention to them if they sat and watched a 3 hour football game with him and pretended it was fun. Now as adults, they pathetically pretend they still like that shit because, sadly it's the only thing they will be ever to talk in detail about to straight men. Straight guys always say it's "hot" when a woman is into sports because if they can find one, it saves them from having to evolve as a human and actually find other interests. The hets who pretend sports are the end all, be all to their lives disgust me.

R279 Fuck you, dumbass. I know tonnes of straight women who love sports. Both watching and playing.

No you don't, 279. You know straight women who love sports because their daddy's liked them.

And a straight woman who plays sports in her adulthood is called a lesbian.

great thread.

alternatively very sad and gut-busting funny.

I don’t have a single woman in my family who knows one football player from another or cares about any of them.

It is a fact of life that American men are obsessed with football as if it is God’s chosen sport. Some are obsessed with basketball. And some women may enjoy some sports. But women aren’t really into sports that involve one guy bulldozing another guy’s brain pan for entertainment.

r259 is right. I work with straight guys and it's always the fat slobs going on about how hot a girl has to be for them to be interested. It's so bizarre. I more often see the attractive or average guys with ugly women or fat ones.

R282 which ones are that funny?

[quote] their daddy's liked them

Oh, dear.

Spectator sports are so lame. I like watching ice skating competitions, but that's about it.

I'm not straight or bi female, I'm a gay male but 99% of my friends are straight guys. They have no problem getting laid.

R288, the fact that these guys have at least one friend means they possess some social skills and leave the house on occasion, which puts them head and shoulders above the incels.

One thing my women friends have told me is that a big majority of straight men are hopeless in bed. And they aren't comfortable with hookups in the same way gay men are, there has to be a "relationship". But they've learned not to get their hopes up about the sex, and if someone seems like they'd be crap in bed, they don't give him a chance. So maybe that is what has happened with your friends.

R289 It's so much easier to blame women for one's sexual celibacy than to make an effort by going to the gym, going to college, going to therapy, learning how to dress smartly and developing a personality, isn't it? One can sit on one's fat or overly skinny ass in self-righteous indignation.

The truth is the very act of self-improvement - striving to be fitter, smarter, etc. is a turn-on in itself. Just trying is admirable.

R290 Not all need a relationship, but there has to be chemistry, and lots of it, to induce a woman to have sex. Women aren't going to have sex because there's nothing else to do, because it is expected via peer pressure, or because they're just horny. I think men will have sex for one of the above reasons, but a woman has to desire the person and not just the activity itself.

I agree, R291, but your post made me laugh.

he worked out, had all his own teeth and a home.

he was entitled to a parade of young women hopping up and down on his dick because he was a 'nice guy' with all his teeth a good job and a place of his own.

Your friends are doing something wrong OP

Tinder is like Grindr for straight guys

Though as women get older (30+) they're thinking about marriage and babies and all that and so want to put an end to their "slut" stage.

DL's "Maiden Aunt Brigade" is even more sex-phobic though

R294 Define "Maiden Aunt Brigade." Is this the collective name for fraus?

From an purely evolutionary standpoint human females know when a man is trouble and can use all their five senses to instantly detect this, to say nothing of socialisation which kicks that sensitive detection into overdrive. For a healthy adult woman the ability to sniff potential danger is acute, whether through the fibres of a YSL suit & cologne or a funk of Cheese-it dust on a stained Sabbath tee. If a woman's hackles go up - hackles that Nature grew to protect future offspring - then that man better keep on stepping and check himself while he's at it. 'Virginity' (a bullshit male concept, for the record) has nothing to do with a straight man's success with women and neither does money in the bank no matter what the media likes to push.

The only thing that slips under this split-second radar is either attraction or impairment of some sort, which is why: a) serial killers often seem like charming intelligent or handsome men that they are not behind the mask; b) MRA/'gaming' still exists; and c) unattractive incels encourage each other to pursue teenagers and 'drunk girls' and vulnerable women instead of healthy sober attractive 30-something women with their lives together. It all comes from the same place, trying to worm through a woman's defences and security alarms so they can get off in whatever disgusting fashion turns them on and then scurry off to squeal to their boyfriends on the Internet about it. As a courtship approach it is juvenile and sociopathic, at best.

scurry off to squeal to their boyfriends on the Internet about it

So they're dumb fags like us now as well?

Fuck yourself. Another fake straight bitch friend.

R290 Troll. You claim these straight guys "need a relationship" before they fuck. You could not be more full of shit than if you were Oprah's abused toilet.

Nope R297, not straight; just a gold-star bitch (yeah, I'm giving you that) with a blunt attitude. If you knew any lesbians well you'd know most of us don't pull punches in discussion. Maybe it's because we don't agree to dance around dudes for dick or validation or protection like hopeful gay men and fearful straight women.

I wasn't referring to gay men in my first comment. I wanted to lampoon the puerile 'phobic nonsense incels usually spout, actually, so goddess knows what nuance was lost in transmission given the gasping offence you took. I don't like to generalise #AllMen but y'all do yourselves no favors with predictably hypersensitive spit-takes like these. Couldn't you just have calmly asked for clarification on my comment if you cared that much to argue, or otherwise just breezed over it on your merry little way to the reply box? The DL is getting more fraught than the much-maligned L-Chat, where a lot of us migrated from to escape precisely this horseshit.

Not that what either of us are saying on this topic matters at all, since OP wanted responses from straight/bi women. I only put in my two cents because I figured I could give a more contemporary female view than most have so far. Extra credentials as I minored in sexual anthropology in College less than a decade ago and there befriended many straight girls on the hunt for a hetero man (or men) of their liking (much to my chagrin).

R299 you tell that disgusting lil bitchy scumbag. We support you.

R288 Sure, Jan. All your friends are straight men. You probably also have a husband. Mmhm. Yep. Ok.

Bisexual woman here. Women like sex just as much as men do, although many are raised to be passive about it. Many young women don‘t know their own bodies that well and rely on men to make them come. This usually changes as they get older. As a consequence of the bad sex they got when they were in their twenties, they either give up and pick men for companionship or financial security. OR they understand their own sexuality and stop having sex with men who are not into pussy. Many straight men aren‘t, many just want to pound a hole.

Men who can‘t get laid are either bad at disguising they‘re assholes ( Hygiene , porn addiction, mysoginy) or there‘s some other red flag (creepiness, passive-aggressiveness) . I like having sex with men, but I usually have sex with women, it’s less dangerous and I don‘t have to deal with the entitlement.

It's all simpler than it's been made out to be in the posts above.

Some men have no social skills.

Some men lack confidence to the point that they will avoid "closing the deal". Like they say in the world of sales: ABC always be closing.

I'm a straight woman who prefers friendships with men. I've known many such men.

Eventually they get the reputation of being the "perpetual virgin" amongst their friends and they lose even more confidence.

It's a self perpetuating cycle that leads them to be downright phobic in the end.

"So they're dumb fags like us now as well? "

Actually, R297, I suspect that one reason (among many) that men become crazy isolated MRA/Incels is that they're deeply, deeply, irrationally closeted. These guys do everything in their power to avoid women and relationships, and many of them obsess over pictures of better-looking men. Why, some even visit the Datalounge to decry the evils of women, and incidentally look at all the pictures of porn stars and Instagram hos!

R304 You delusional, diseased, mentally ill cunt. Just like no black person would ever post here, no straight man would ever post on a site like this with 99% troll postings.

"Women aren't going to have sex because there's nothing else to do, because it is expected via peer pressure, or because they're just horny."

Also - your horniness isn't going to be satisfied having sex with a man because most don't understand where the equipment is, and don't know/care or want to know how it works. Most have their routine down and are not open to change. I get the feeling that they're not even interested in my body at all, having sex is like scratching an itch to them.

You said it perfectly. Not all but many are pump and dump, 9 second guys. You have not even laid down and caught your breath then it is game over.

Here's the Thing: AUTHENTICITY. The opportunities to discover REAL QUALITIES in a potential sexual partner/mate not just some random bullshit a stranger screams at you in a bar. When I first saw my spouse of course I was drawn by initially by his looks (equal parts dark/handsome and geeky) - but the qualities that drew me to him most were his self-effaciveness and humor. While everyone else in our high-fallutin' doctoral program couldn't stop talking about their acheivments opening women's clinics in India, or their J.D from Harvard, my spouse was trying to break the tension with jokes about his work with eye harvesting in morgues. Few people in this life will show you what's behind the curtain- and it's worth it when people do. Fortunately I also got agreat long-term relationship with terrific sex out of it too.

R307, I happy when *that's* over because there's so little before it.

R274 A lot of guys past 30 are lazier in bed. Many past 35 can't even last and expect to just lay there. Some will switch positions (usually missionary and doggy) but 10 minutes is being generous.

I think 10 minutes of sex (not including foreplay) is pushing it for many straight men. Younger guys, though, they can go and go. Flip, switch positions, hit the spot a few different ways. And eager to please.

Most younger guys can also go more than once, you know, get hard again quickly. Meanwhile, older guys want to turn the TV on and lay around, eat, watch some mind numbing sports game after then just fall sleep.

I love after sex talk but some men are too stupid and/or lazy to engage in any post coital banter. And no, I don't give a shot about sports so that can't be a topic of conversation.

R310 here. That was supposed to be "shit" not "shot".

PhD, R308? "self-effaciveness", "acheivements"?

Looks like academic standards have reached a new low.

R312 Get stuffed, cuntbag

This thread is really attracting some toxic assholes!

Stop projecting, cuntfrau.

Exactly.

R313 Would love to, are you offering, or?

So many women haters here; unresolved Mommy issues, much?

Sad.

My boyfriend is better looking than me. Honestly I think some good looking guys prefer to be with an average/plain woman because they are lazy. They know we will work harder to please/keep them.

R281 You are correct in one sense: as an only child daughter to a sports mad father, I did do my best to impress him with my knowledge of sports in general, remembering all the baseball stats and sitting with him as he watched games all weekend. However, a funny thing happened: I came to love sports as much as he did. In fact, I married a sports agent/attorney who admits he was so drawn to me because of my sports savvy. I have a savant-like ability to remember factoids going back to the 70s, and I think that impressed him even more than my sizable hooters and big blue eyes. lol

Huge hooters are always a plus.

R320: you actually gave a serious answer to the illiterate R281 ("their daddy's liked them") and his severely limited world view?

Honestly I worry I might end up with a psycho. That Tinder killer didn't help things. I have a fairly high sex drive and the idea of casual sex appeals to me but my paranoia keeps me from going after men the way I would like to. So someone like the OP describes might just be off-putting enough for a women to pass on.

Lesbians love this song.

Straight guys rarely divulge how little they get laid, particularly to gay men. The fact that all of your “straight guy” friends are telling you this makes me think they’re closet cases.

R325 is an old cunt from the 1920s who doesn't know times have changed, men have always talked about sex with other men, cuntfrau.

Lesbian here.

The only lesbians I know who watch professional sports (or are obsessed by them) are from the midwest.

Carry on.