This Is Why Uma Thurman Is Angry

[quote]The first “attack,” she says, came not long after in Weinstein’s suite at the Savoy Hotel in London. “It was such a bat to the head. He pushed me down. He tried to shove himself on me. He tried to expose himself. He did all kinds of unpleasant things. But he didn’t actually put his back into it and force me. You’re like an animal wriggling away, like a lizard. I was doing anything I could to get the train back on the track. My track. Not his track.”

"But he didn’t actually put his back into it and force me. "

Wha...?

She’s angry because her looks are gone.

Maureen Dowd? Ok, I guess it’s not my choice to make but...

That [italic]was[/italic] a weird choice, r4.

R3 I don't know, I'm kinda loving the way she looks in that cover photo. That face has so much character.

I can see why they didn't want the car crash footage released, not because of her but because of the insurance. They pressured an untrained actress to drive a modified car when a teamster was supposed to do it and then they moved her and let her stand, when she should have been immobilized till EMS got there. It's a lawyer's wet dream. It's not like this was a low budget student film and they couldn't afford those services.

She had to wait an appropriate time to do this at NYTimes, seeing as Salma had. These are IMPORTANT women, you know.

Wow.

Look at me! Look at me!

With the buildup she was giving about this story, I was expecting some Jodie Foster in “The Accused” horror. She’s holding back information.

I’m guessing she’ll release something much worse shortly. Being the object of obsession of those two creeps, I’m sure there is something much darker to tell.

Why are gay men so jealous of the way women get abused by despicable straight men?

Super fucked up that Tarantino wouldn't give her the footage until there was no company to sue anymore.

Wonder if Maureen stayed up til 3am with her doing pink crack.

Why are r12 crazy?

The car crash reminds me of an old movie called Night Moves, where a stunt crash on a set ends up killing someone. Crazy that it was almost real life.

Let's all pray this is the end of Tarantino and his shitty movies!!

Couldn't she have just sued and forced them to turn over the evidence?

[quote]Mr. Weinstein acknowledges making a pass at Ms. Thurman in England after misreading her signals in Paris,” the statement said. “He immediately apologized.”

Oh come on. He didn't for a moment think Uma Thurman wanted to fuck his troll ass.

So where's the fucking rape? Harvey lunged at her but there was no penetration of any kind. The car crash shit is a fucking disgrace though. Tarantino is a piece of shit.

MoDo's writing sucks, as usual, but I get the impression that there were contractual or legal issues that allowed Tarantino to prevent releasing the footage, even if this went to court.

I have to say, I knew Tarantino would get exposed eventually, but not for almost killing Uma Thurman because he's a pissy baby, then arguing for years that he hadn't done anything wrong.

I want sex criminals prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I want victims to be free from repeat assaults. If you are a millionaire female celebrity and surrounded by sexual predators, get out. Take your money and invest it and by a condo. But leave. Find something else artistic to do. Stop associating with predators. Like a battered woman, the abuse isn't your fault but you have a responsibility to yourself to leave.

I always thought Tarantino was gay. He lisps for one thing.

The article is so boring and ornately written that I couldn't get through it. I stopped at the bit about her bullshit Buddhist father thinking she's a reincarnated goddess. That speaks volumes about who she is. Not interested in her "classed up" pity party. She's a dope like the rest of them. And to think Holllywood once produced the likes of Bette Davis. She didn't take any shit.

Tarantino now trending on Twitter because of this article.

There is a very long tradition of Hollywood directors thinking they have to right to psychologically fuck with actresses in order to get "the performance they want." Alfred Hitchcock and Stanley Kubrick among the most notorious cases.

Isn't Tarantino supposed to be directing a Star Wars movie or some flick big like that really soon?

The industry culture is predatory. Hot young guys go through the same the moment they walk through an agent's door. Its a constant negotiation in one's head about how much one is willing to accept.

Tarantino is doing a very high profile Manson murder movie with Leonardo DiCaprio. Wonder what will happen to this; there was a huge bidding war for this.

R26 Yes, he has a Manson and a Star Trek movie lined up.

So she had it much worse than anyone else,she was not only assaulted, they tried to kill her, there was a footage to prove it, and she still didn't speak out because... ? 🙈 🙉 🙊 nicely tried, very good PR people, but it still screams 'enabler ' here. Sorry Uma, However much these guys are...( your words here), you still wanted to protect your stupid career. And didn't care about anything or anyone else.

I am glad she told her story but it is kind of awful. Harvey and Quentin should be in jail. Sad

“Looking anguished in her elegant apartment” - MoDo is so shitty. It doesn’t make Uma any more sympathetic.

There’s nothing new in the article to reveal about Harvey Weinstein, but this should prove to be very damaging to Quentin Tarantino‘s career.

If you can't perceive that both Tarantino and Weinstein are sleazebags then this is what happens. She helped bring to life Tarantino's sick and violent fantasies and though I won't say she got what she deserved there is a price to pay: There's an evil, manic, deranged and coked up quality to his movies that became a "cool" aesthetic that poisoned American movies. She's part of it.

You are astoundingly fucked up, R34.

Something isn’t right in this story, and you know in your gut I’m right. If this crash happened during filming of Kill Bill 2, why did she remain so chummy with both of them all these years? Defies logic.

The reincarnated goddess played with demonic forces and got burned. Got it.

This is what you get for stealing Lesley Manville's husband Gary Oldman and leaving her to raise their two-year-old son alone, bitch.

R19, I hope you’re pretty as a redeeming quality to your lack of reading comprehension. She was raped at 16, numbnutz. Read!

Not by Harvey though R39 which is what the article (and she) implied all this time.

R34 is kinda right. Tarantino is a major psych, his films are shit, he poisoned the film industry and he should disappear very quickly. Too bad for Uma but she shouldn't have waited 20 years

"vulgar roses" the uma thurman story

[quote]Something isn’t right in this story

I felt the same way but I think the breathless, low-budget writing style makes it sound phony.

Tarantino did poison contemporary cinema, it's true. And 99% of his "ideas" are stolen from european and asian directors. I always hated him, his movies and his "cool" attitude, beloved by straight douche bags everywhere.

I'll always hate Dowd for the column she wrote right before the election slamming Hillary and saying Trump was an ok guy when she knew him back in the day. Plus right after the election she allowed her vile right wing brothers to use her column to gloat about Clinton's defeat.

Maureen Dowd has much to answer for.

Tarantino is pathetic.

To me, he will always be one of those wannabe, no-talent Elvis extras in that episode of the Golden Girls. When he was becoming hot as a director, and I heard he was starring on Broadway in Wait Until Dark - as an actor... in the Arkin role, I think - I threw up a little in my mouth.

A deluded, plagiarizing dork always trying to prove he was more interesting than he actually was.

Wasn’t he negatively portrayed in that book about Oliver Stone and some particular filmmaking experience? You’ll Never Do Lunch in This Town Again, or something like that?

And upon viewing the footage of Uma’s crash, knowing he berated her beforehand, then afterward, offering bottled water and reaching toward her with his scrawny arm and an anemic pat on the shoulder, cuz that’ll make it better.

What a tool.

And that Dowd writes klutzier than I do.

This is purely a writing comment, but Maureen should have put the car stuff first and the Harvey stuff last. As written, you end up wondering why the two stories were put together

But who was the 40-something year old actor who raped her?

Michael Douglas

Dowd is unable to express anything but bile and sarcasm, and it makes this story sound trite if not outright faked. Also I assume Thurman can't say a few things because of legal issues, so it makes the story seem incomplete.

I believe her, though, and I also believe that men like Weinstein and Tarantino unconsciously rely on the fact that many women have been traumatized by rape and harassment, that they're struggling to work in an industry that's difficult to get hired in, and they take advantage. It's been that way in Hollywood for decades.

How terrible if Kirk Douglas and Michael Douglas both raped young starlets

It would be someone about 65 years old now -- the article says he was nearly 20 years older than her when she was 16.

She should just name who he is

Richard Gere or Michael Douglas

William Hurt is also in the age bracket

I always try to start out "fresh" before reading the comments. The article the OP linked to is (IMO) beautifully written, and powerful. I'm an old gay guy, but I could identify with her viewpoint and position. I don't always 'feel' some of the #MeToo reports, but I felt this one.

MoDo can't help but be bitchy toward other women.

Does that really amount to rape on Harvey's part?

[quote] I always try to start out "fresh" before reading the comments.

Thank you

There is something very weird about Harvey approving or not approving actress comments from rehab

Agree R60. Also, he should be in jail not rehab.

R12 I would be jealous if Tom Welling was chasing her around hotel rooms, not gross old Weinstein! Poor Uma.

The car accident is actually worse though and I wonder if this will cause more actors to speak up about being pressured into doing stunts

The car thing is HORRIBLE. I have always been a non-fan of Tarantino. This story surprises me not at all.

Hi, Maureen at R56!

She mentioned that Tarantino had wronged her too, and I imagined her with her huge feet up on a table, cringing and shielding her eyes as Quentin sucked on them and rubbed his tiny flaccid penis while weeping silently. lol

But alas, it’s something more prosaic than that — he pressured into driving in a sequence and she crashed and apparently hurt herself.

Surely she’s an adult and could have said, fuck that, use a stunt driver. Has #metoo become an excuse to trot out every disagreement you’ve ever had with any man?

The stuff about the car crash is very bad but what is even more damaging to Tarantino is the article's claim that he inserted himself into Kill Bill scenes and personally spat on Uma and choked her. That is guy is one sick fuck and it speaks to his twisted fetishes that he wanted to be the one to spit on Uma and not have the actor in the scene be the one to do it. I predict Margot Robbie will soon drop out of his next movie.

I will save my MeToo sympathies for retail clerks and waitresses -not world famous, multi-millionaire, multi-propertied actresses.

Michael Douglas, r49

R34, I am not sure how old you are or if you have ever had a chance to travel extensively, or meet a wide variety of people, but it sounds like you have not.

You are a real shit bag for blaming Uma for being sexually harassed and for driving in a scene that she was relentlessly pressured to do. You are one of the most judgmental posters who I have ever seen anywhere, and I’m assuming that you lead an extraordinarily LONEY and uncomfortable life due to the damage that was done to you, that you have not worked out as of yet.

I wish you well and I hope that you one day learn to empathize with men and women who have been abused, just like you have.

Hollywood is full of sick people and they are the ones shaping our culture. Creeps.

If a male actor had been insured, there would be mega millions paid to him.

R71 Uma was screwed over because Quentin and Miramax withheld the footage from her and would only hand it over if she signed an agreement not to sue them.

I feel bad for Uma but the article does not make it clear how the incidents connect to each other and it is just confusing. Is Uma implying that QT and Harvey ganged up on her and tried to kill her? Or is this just another sob story of being serially victimized in hollywood, feel sorry for me while I sit here in my multimillion dollar manhattan condo. It probably isnt Uma's fault, probably more the writer who had to make a point about Uma languishing in her brown velvet couch in her elegant condo while sipping white wine. The stories just come across as disjointed. The footage though was scary and probably wouldve been enough.

[quote]I always thought Tarantino was gay. He lisps for one thing.

But he doesn't have gayface. So bi at most.

I had a vibe it was Richard Gere too.

Reading Maureen Dowd’s writing is like taking a hammer to the head.

R73, I have more sympathy for Uma since she was put under life threatening circumstances. What I don’t have sympathy for is those who are conflating the #MeToo movement with the “pay gap” in Hollywood. They don’t seem to care much about the fact that many women (and men) in America work forty hours a week for minimum wage and can barely keep a roof over their heads. Bitching about Jennifer Lawrence making “only” 3 million next to Bradley Cooper’s 5 million completely kills their argument. All I can see is a greedy asshole complaining about only making three million to stand and read lines someone else wrote. Fuck that.

R66, I read that as metaphor. Tarantino had the actors spit on her and choke her with a chain, and to Uma, it was Tarantino himself doing it because it was his movie. Just my interpretation.

But I have a real problem with this article. The way it's constructed, I am confused as to who did exactly what to her and why. Dowd needed to be clearer and less fanciful with her descriptions. What happened in the hotel room that she doesn't remember? We can't know, of course, but Dowd never tries to piece it together. She just quotes Uma's escort on how shaken up she was and then that's it. You can't make an accusation out of someone being upset; anything could have caused it. And if he only "threatened her career," why was she disheveled? It doesn't add up.

Also he apologized for his behavior in London, not Paris, so presumably what he did in London was worse.

Too bad she already started with the plastic surgery.

She looked weird yesterday whilst on Colbert.

Wasn’t Maureen once touted as one of NYT’s best writers, hence earning her own column? What happened?

Yeah I don't get why the NYT went with Dowd and why it is in the Opinion section. Is it because NYT hasn't vetted the allegations and putting the article in the Opinion section somehow legally protects them if it turns out the allegations aren't true?

Believe it or not, Uma started plastic surgery as a teenager. That is her AFTER nose. I know..don't ask

Hmmmm, curiouser and curiouser - Uma was 16/17 when she'd filmed "Dangerous Liaisons."

With her new nose. Apparently, the LSD guru from the 60's, what's his name, Timothy Leary or whatever, was close with her hippy parents, and insisted that she'd be good looking without her then humougous nose. Can you imagine? The hooter?

R83, as a teen she was extremely self-conscious of her appearance — extremely tall, Pinocchio nose, huge feet. So at one point she asked a family friend what she thought of a nose job. The family friend actually told her she should get one! How ghastly. That’s why she had it done.

well, at least she got away when Harvey tried to rape her. unlike that Rose and Asia who were "raped" while harvey ate their pussies.

QT is a pig for defending Harvey. scum.

I don’t understand how CAA is getting away with not being called out treating their actresses like shit...CAA covered for Weinstein for years. Then started some bullshit #MeToo movement to cover their asses. Rose McGowan and Uma have called them out, but no one else is discussing their involvement within the Weinstein case.

Asia Argento is a legit whore. Just sayin

John Malkovich as the rapist?

R89 CAA is made up of pimps who willingly sent young actresses out to get fucked and licked by Harvey (and no doubt many other producers/directors/stars). As such they need to be imprisoned for such.

The story wasn’t well written, but the gist was that Uma first encountered sexual assault as a teen, fast forward and she was working with Tarantino, who cast her in the Kill Bill films. She felt she had a good relationship with Harvey, until he tried to rape her, and then Tarantino proved to be an asshole by insisting that she perform her own stun in an unsafe vehicle, causing her an on the job injury.

The big deal in this story is Tarantino creating a hostile work environment and putting Uma in a death trap of a car. He should have faced very serious consequences for that.

I love Tarantino’s work, but there is absolutely no excuse for having anyone drive a car that wasn’t fit to drive. It wouldn’t have mattered if it had been Uma or her stunt double. No one should have gotten in that car for any reason whatsoever.

I got the impression that her rapist was someone possibly well known, but not that famous. Not Gere/Malkovich level of movie star.

If it is someone like Malkovich, she'll likely never name him, as he'd sue her ass into oblivion.

Miramax favored Holly Hunter or Meg Ryan for the role of Mia. Alfre Woodard and Meg Tilly were also considered, but Tarantino wanted Thurman after their first meeting.

Uma Thurman worked w Tarantino on:

Pulp Fiction 1994, Kill Bill Vol 1 2003, Kill Bill Vol 2 2004

Thurman worked w Weinstein on:

Pulp Fiction 1994 . Miramax

A Month by the Lake 1995 . Miramax

Beautiful Girls 1996 . Miramax

Kill Bill: Volume 1 2003 . Miramax

Kill Bill: Volume 2 2004 . Miramax

Burnt 2015 . Weinstein Company

The War with Grandpa 2018 . Weinstein company,

Thurman and Weinstein - Jan 2016

^^^Doesn't prove it didn't happen. She said he tried to rape her, says what Tarantino did felt worse because she has permanent injuries. She is angry because Weinstein continued to do this (and succeeded) with so many other women after her, now she sees things in a different light.

She owes her career to Tarantino and Weinstein

R98: people continue to do business with people they absolutely loathe. Weolcome to the world, little guy!

[quote][R66], I read that as metaphor. Tarantino had the actors spit on her and choke her with a chain, and to Uma, it was Tarantino himself doing it because it was his movie. Just my interpretation.

Perhaps, but Tarantino did say that in the "Inglourious Basterds" scene where Christoph Waltz is choking out Diane Kruger, the close-up is of his own hands. It's probably him vomiting blood in J.J. Leigh's face and hoisting her up at the end of "Hateful Eight", the sick fuck.

r89 the GP gets easily fooled when large donations get made, that's why they started the TimesUp. GP loves rich people being charitable, they never think about why they donate.

That crash was such bullshit. You never see her face, there was absolutely no reason she should have had to do it. And I thought it strange she was not nominated for an Oscar for either Kill Bill 1 or 2 since Weinstein could get a Radish nominated. She was amazing and robbed. Tarantino was Harvey's little bitch.

So...does this mean "Kill Bill vol. 3: Kill Kiddo" isn't happening?

Well if she didn't service Harvey sexually why Wenstein continued to cast her in his films? It doesn't make sense at all! I don't believe her and she's not a victim of Weinstein I don't believe Paltrow and Hayek also. He ruined the careers of women who rejected him sexually but somehow he continued to work with Thurman, Paltrow, ... ! Sure Jan!

r106 maybe he hoped to get another chance alone with her, then she aged out and he lost interest in her sexually.

"He MUST be stopped!!!... after I make five more movies with him and pose with him at every opportunity." Actresses are such assholes.

But keep it coming so this "movement" loses steam, the faster the better.

Tarantino is a pig. Spitting in her face. It's as bad as cumming on her face.

He was never an earth shattering director. I hope he never works again. I will never want to watch the films now knowing it's real spit.

The forced car crash played out again in his shitty Death Proof movie. ( Rose Magowan ) is a reiteration of how enjoyable it is for him to replay that scenario.

After the crash you see him petting her like the autistic Weinstein gimp he is.

"Why are gay men so jealous of the way women get abused by despicable straight men?"

Congrats, R12, you win CUNT OF THE YEAR!!!! though it's still early...

Jennifer Lawrence, Rooney Mara, Alicia Vikander, Michelle Williams and Amy Adams in 2 years: "We were all victims of Harvey"

[quote]She owes her career to Tarantino and Weinstein

Yes and that’s how these men exercised power over women — they held the keys to the womens’ careers.

Helping make a woman a movie star doesn’t buy you the right to rape them.

"The starlets! Won't someone think about the STARLETS?!!!"

“She owes her career to Tarantino and Weinstein”

If it hadn’t been those two, it would have been someone else!

right, like the director of "The Truth About Cats and Dogs".

Tarantino looks like a mongoloid

[quote]This is what you get for stealing Lesley Manville's husband Gary Oldman and leaving her to raise their two-year-old son alone, bitch.

Three month old, but who’s counting?

[quote]Tarantino did say that in the "Inglourious Basterds" scene where Christoph Waltz is choking out Diane Kruger, the close-up is of his own hands.

Yeah, that’s what’s so disturbing. From his antics on Kill Bill, he goes right into Death Proof which is car crash porn that would make Cronenberg blush—including a ultra graphic slow-mo death for the female driver going thru a windshield— followed by him gleefully deciding to be the one to choke Kruger, to the point where the actress passed out.

Notice you don’t hear any stories from the male cast members.

[quote]To me, he will always be one of those wannabe, no-talent Elvis extras in that episode of the Golden Girls. When he was becoming hot as a director, and I heard he was starring on Broadway in Wait Until Dark - as an actor... in the Arkin role, I think - I threw up a little in my mouth.

Where else would you throw up - in your ass?

What's next? Amy Adams writing an article about how she was victimised by Harvey Weinstein and David O' Russel but she didn't care bc she loves her Oscar nominations? she loves awards and attention she gets

Tarantino choked Kruger until she passed out?

Isabelle Huppert despises Tarantino

Bad shit Crazy Quentin Tarantino strangled Dianne Kruger for real in Inglorious Bastards.

Kruger: 'Quentin strangled me on film'

Diane Kruger reveals that Quentin Tarantino throttled her for his new film Inglourious Basterds.

20 AUGUST [bold]2009[/bold]

I wonder if this article will motivate some of Tarantino's past hookups to come out and expose his past behavior. I can't imagine he limited his spitting and choking only to actresses on movie sets.

I don't get how Weinstein could "misread" his interactions with every(?) woman he ever met. He admits to an "awkward moment" with Uma and "misreading the situation."

[quote]"... I was doing anything I could to get the train back on the track. My track. Not his track.”

What the hell does this even mean?

"Miramax favored Holly Hunter or Meg Ryan for the role of Mia. Alfre Woodard and Meg Tilly were also considered, but Tarantino wanted Thurman after their first meeting."

All horrible ideas. Looking at that movie 20 years later, Thurman's performance is the only thing still worth watching.

Weinstein and Thurman

Harvey and Uma

Tarantino, Weinstein and Thurman

Her clenched fists and pulling away posture in r128 say a lot.

Uma and Weinstein at a 2014 event.

Uma and Harvey

Wankenstein and Thurman

[quote] Uma was screwed over because Quentin and Miramax withheld the footage from her and would only hand it over if she signed an agreement not to sue them.

What convoluted logic is that? Rubbish. All she had to do was sue them and they would have had no choice but to turn it over. Or she could have just filed a complaint with any agency overseeing safety on set and that video would have been subpoened.

this one is my favorite

Harvey Weinstein (C) and tv personality Heidi Klum (back, L) and actress Uma Thurman (front, L)

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[bold]HARVEY WEINSTEIN STATEMENT ON UMA THURMAN CLAIMS[/bold]

FIRST STATEMENT

'We have pulled a number of images that demonstrate the strong relationship Mr. Weinstein and Ms. Thurman had had over the years and we wish the New York Times would have published them.

'Mr. Weinstein acknowledges making an awkward pass 25 years ago at Ms. Thurman in England after misreading her signals, after a flirtatious exchange in Paris, for which he immediately apologized and deeply regrets. However, her claims about being physically assaulted are untrue. And this is the first time we have heard those details.

'There was no physical contact during Mr. Weinstein’s awkward pass and Mr. Weinstein is saddened and puzzled as to "why" Ms. Thurman, someone he considers a colleague and a friend, waited 25 years to make these allegations public, noting that he and Ms. Thurman have shared a very close and mutually beneficial working relationship where they have made several very successful film projects together.

'This is the first time we are hearing that she considered Mr. Weinstein an enemy and the pictures of their history tell a completely different story.

'There will be more are detailed response later from Mr. Weinstein’s attorney, Ben Brafman.'

SECOND STATEMENT

'Ben Brafman, Mr Weinstein's attorney said that Harvey is stunned and saddened by what he claims to be false accusations by Uma Thurman, someone he has worked closely with for more than two decades.

'Mr Weinstein acknowledges making an awkward pass at Ms Thurman 25 years ago which he regrets and immediately apologized for.

'Why Ms Thurman would wait 25 years to publicly discuss this incident and why according to Weinstein, she would embellish what really happened to include false accusations of attempted physical assault is a mystery to Weinstein and his attorneys.

'Ms Thurman's statements to the Times are being carefully examined and investigated before deciding whether any legal action against her would be appropriate.'

[quote]Ms. Thurman, someone he considers a colleague and a friend, waited 25 years to make these allegations public, noting that he and Ms. Thurman have shared [bold]a very close and mutually beneficial working relationship[/bold]

I bet Tarantino is really regretting giving that footage to Uma. She said she had to wait 15 years to get it so he must have only given it to her recently. Now his career is damaged as a result.

“What the hell does this even mean?”

Omg, are you dumb? She struggled to be in charge of the situation instead of Weinstein.

Those photos speak volumes

No those photos don't say anything. People in the industry go to events and pose for pictures. It's part of the job. It's also normal for people to make nice to people with power over them. It's also normal for people to try and keep things pleasant when they are forced to spend time with people they don't like. Christ these aren't pictures of them vacationing alone together or have thanksgiving dinner together.

photo @ R136 is enough to know about Ms. Thurman and her personality

The Weinstein shills are here, fuck off, you clowns.

Why are people insisting Harvey still had power over her? After Kill Bill, hell after Pulp Fiction, Uma was a beautiful, famous actor. Why were QT and Harvey the only people she could make movies with? Was there no one else she could work with? Or were these the best paying, highest profile roles? That's her choice.

I'm not completely buying this meme that all these women had no choice. That's nonsense.

Here's the scene from "Kill Bill" mentioned in the article, with the closeup a chain, handled by the director, choking Uma til her eyes go red and she almost passes out.

Uma always talked about she had protective brothers. Where were they?

Have you *seen* that brother, r148? Uma could probably kick his ass:

I wish someone would come forward whose career wasn’t over. I guess the new excuse for not making anymore movies is rape not wanting to raise children.

Can somebody post the article here? I'm out of free articles at the Times and Dowd isn't getting me to pay

She's not a victim of Weinstein she worked with Weinstein on several films

There are two sides to every story

I believe her.

Her son looks just like the brother.

Sometimes a girl needs to driver herself.

Tarantino is a bottom for men. The kind that spit at him and choke him.

That's quite a story. It sounds as if they tried to kill her with that car.

Tarantino hangs out with a bunch of sociopathic junkies. I've never met people who are more deranged, amoral and narcissistic. Truly bottom of the barrel dregs of humanity.

I, also, posted here before about Uma forcing her assistant to carry her stash of *rare* drugs through airport security and her penchant for unhinged verbal battery.

Do you see now why people who might have an ethical revulsion to Harvey's behavior would continue to remain friendly with him? Or why a lot of those people wouldn't find sexual assault and power games to be anything out of the ordinary?

A few people here suspect Richard Gere as her attacker. If that's true, it's certainly fucking creepy because they both run in the same circles (the NYC Indo Tibetan Buddhist clique). My cousin-in-law is a Tibetan refugee activist and he is friendly with both Uma and Richard.

Richard Gere is a long-time resident of Greenwich Village. He also could have been 36 when Uma was 16...

This is worse than the gerbil.

Gere is gay and deeply in the closet and I don't think he has ever raped anyone

R123 Yep including the recent "The War With Grandpa" which is in release limbo due to the Weinstein scandal

Sorry I meant R153

I agree R162, I can't picture Gere as a rapist of anyone, particularly a woman.

I love posters like [R142] I guess not one of you guys ever shook the hand of a despised boss or smiled and took it for the sake of your job or career. Jesus.

It is just that nobody took pictures assholes.

AND if years later you were in a position to call the asshole out without repercussions, well I guess you wouldn't take the opportunity would you? Your humiliation wouldn't count because it happened so long ago?

Weinstein broke into Annabella Sciorra’s house and raped her. What signals was he misreading during that incident?

I 've always thought locked doors were a "maybe". Locked doors make it hard to tell if their eyes are saying "yes" even when their lips are saying "no".

no wonder she was so fucked up. she was probably hooked on the pills from the car accident, did she have surgery or anything?

I know she was fucked up on drug too.

[quote]It sounds as if they tried to kill her with that car.

You conspiracy theorists need to give it a rest. Isn’t the real story salacious enough without attempted murder too?

and what about mira sorvino?

I know that while he was dating her, he was fucking a nyu student (girl) as well. this student was a friend of the guy who lived on my floor (of my dorm). yes, i went to NYU.

[quote] I'm out of free articles at the Times and Dowd isn't getting me to pay

Clean those cookies. You know how to do that right?

[quote]I, also, posted here before about Uma forcing her assistant to carry her stash of *rare* drugs through airport security and her penchant for unhinged verbal battery

I swear, there's always one person in threads like this who says someone deserves to be treated badly based on crazy fake rumors.

r173, 1) You're an idiot 2) That's not what I'm saying 3) This is not a crazy fake rumor; these are people I know and 4) You're still an idiot.

Couldn’t she have said no to the stunt and then reported it to SAG?

It's possible she unwittingly agreed to do it via contract. Regular driving just requires a driver's license (if that...) and they probably wouldn't have listed this as stunt driving since she wasn't actually supposed to hit a tree. But yeah she could have called SAG right there on set and said "They're trying to make me drive a really unsafe car, get a rep down here now."

I believe her, who cares about some pics at work events.

Weinstein fighting against this is sketchy to me, mainly because it's one of the more serious claims. Sounds like he's even more worried. Good.

[quote[ I guess not one of you guys ever shook the hand of a despised boss or smiled and took it for the sake of your job or career.

Uhm, no. Actually, I haven't. I would not do shit like that.

[R151] and [R160] made me laugh. I am starting to take Harvey's side, if only for rhetorical reasons. Uma is not a terribly convincing or sympathetic victim. She is prototypical HIPSTER ASSHOLE WOMAN GROUND ZERIO. She's like Goop complaining about the thread count at the Four Seasons with tears in her eyes. So she was sort of raped but not really, fought off Harvey but accepted roles and millions from him, and worked with sick-in-the-head Tarantino to bring his misanthropic visions to life, but was injured in her zeal to please him. Buddhism, wine and prescriptions meds have set her free...

No way did the car scene occur in private. There were witnesses. There were crew, camera, and production people on hand. Her story about the way it happened is not going to stand up if it's investigated to any professional standard (as opposed to, um, Maureen Dowd). Quentin Tarantino worshipped the ground she walked on, and she profited from that for a long time, not that there's anything wrong with that, but he quite literally worshipped her, he didn't mistreat her or try to hurt her. There's many an interview on record where Uma Thurman talked about the hair-raising but glorious good times she had making "Kill Bill" and other films with the Q. Harvey Weinstein was probably boorish and aggressive about trying to get into her pants, but there won't be any evidence emerging that he took that to a criminal level, or sexually harassed her in the workplace-harassment sense.

Things have not been going well for Uma. She almost systematically has insisted on allying herself with rich, glamorous men who could be depended on to cheat on and mistreat her, and she's showing the wear and tear of those years. She has become erratic.

What I mean about Uma allying herself with rich, glamorous men who cheat on her and mistreat her, I mean in her personal life. She can't stay away from Eurotrash with a portfolio. She spent years begging for a ring and getting cheated on by that hotelier clown Andre Balasz. Then there was French financier Arpan "Arki" Busson, and their recent custody battle in which she told the court how "mean" he was, and he told the court what a lush she was. Quentin Tarantino and Harvey Weinstein are probably the men who have done the most for her over the years. She's not a reliable narrator.

R181 just wrote an essay about how men mistreating people is fine, it's the women who get mistreated who are the real evil.

DL is 99% MRAs from Reddit on the weekends, I swear.

Internet tough guy r179 is on his 12th job in five years, because he's too important to be polite to an asshole boss.

Five minutes before the Weinstein story broke in September, as in, the weekend prior, Uma was photographed grinning from ear to ear at the luxe Manhattan engagement party Weinstein gave for Tarantino and his Israeli fiancee. She's not "angry" because Harvey Weinstein or Quentin Tarantino harmed her, Maureen. She's angry because her life choices have put her, and her career, in a place that is not a happy place.

R185 Yep. Her most recent movie is The War With Grandpa made by....Weinstein.

I just can't take anyone in Hollywood seriously, too much hypocrisy and oportunistic tears, but this doesn't erase the fact that Weinstein kept using his position of power in an abusive way.

Harvey Weinstein doesn't seem to have had anything to do with The War With Grandpa -- his company produced it but there are no articles mentioning Harvey's involvement specifically.

You are all aware people in Hollywood work with people they loathe every day, right? If she didn't have to actually work WITH Harvey but just appeared in a film his company produced, I'm not seeing how that proves she's lying about the whole thing.

Re: Daryl Hannah, Weinstein & Tarantino

Oh shit -- I knew she was kicked off the press tour, r189, but always heard it was because she was being a pest.

Jesus, most of these supposedly difficult women weren't at all, were they?

[quote]Why are people insisting Harvey still had power over her? After Kill Bill, hell after Pulp Fiction, Uma was a beautiful, famous actor.

Ask Academy Award winner Mira Sorvino or Ashley Judd.

Some of your comments are disgusting, this constant victim blaming. Ok, Uma is maybe not the best person in the world, I heard bad stuff about her, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't believe her. Yes, he liked her career and money and fame, now that her career is almost over she talks. OK, I understand that. But it doesn't make the whole story less disgusting. The thing is it convinces me more and more that it is very difficult to make a career in HW without doing some "favors" to producers, directors etc. And that many of actresses and actors were already victims of sexual abuse when they were young. And it's not a good image of the whole system.

I'm DONE with filmmakers who are abusive towards their actresses. That's why I'm working with Lars von Trier now.

r189

Judd, buddy, could you maybe dial down the grandstanding over this just a little bit? TIA.

LOL every time Judd goes off like this on Twitter, James Franco gets another ulcer

r183 it's pretty pathetic, you know they live in their parent's basements and don't have to get jobs of their own so they think they can be an expert on what Uma should have done.

Well, R192, the behavior by and the character of a person are often the best factors you use in judging a person's credibility. So you're not makng any sense.

Thurman has a very expensive lifestyle. She is a social climber. She wanted to enter permanently the world of the super rich .01%. She is a flake and intermittent substance abuser. She dated and fucked Tarantino after the alleged life-threatening criminal misconduct and just after her second split with the quite sleazy billionaire-wannabe Busson.

Just adding my 2 cents apropos of nothing.

Quentin makes long music videos for films. MTv.

[quote]Weinstein fighting against this is sketchy to me, mainly because it's one of the more serious claims.

He's been accused of rape. How is this "one of the more serious" allegations?

Actresses come in two basic varieties: young hosebags and old hosebags. When Uma was a young hosebag she had a grand time palling around with and fucking both Harvey and Tarantino. Now that she's an old hosebag she's ascended the pillars of noble victimhoid, with Harvey and Tarantino recast as malevolent MEN. She's still a lousy actress.

R124, I know a girl who dated Tarantino briefly. She is not stunning, but has a great body. Anyhow, she said that ALL he did was talk, talk, talk. He talked about himself, his work, had long winded conversations with people on his cellphone, would hang up with whoever he was talking to, and turn around and look at her, and talk about the conversation he just had.

She said that his only redeeming qualities were that he was very intelligent & interesting to listen to, that he was well versed in all kinds of literature, art, etc., and that he had beyond great taste in music.

Agree, R127. No one could have pulled it off like she did. She made that character an icon.

There used to be rumours on LSA that Tarantino has a rape fetish.

R102, I re-read the article, and I now think she was talking literally about QT performing those acts of abuse on her instead of the actors.

Yes, R205. It seems clear to me that QT does do some of the icky stuff himself. Now you can choose to believe he does it cause it gives him some sort of a thrill or you can choose to believe he does it because he doesn't want to ask an actor to do that or risk an actor doing it incorrectly and forcing a retake - also maybe those he works with would rather it be him than some actor they don't know. Of course we're setting aside why anyone would agree to these roles in the first place.

We really don't know why now do we?

Uma is older now. As you get older, you are less willing to put up with shit. That is a universal kind of trait, isn’t it?

Judd Apatow can fuck off. I can't wait to hear the stories of him fucking around on his nasally-voiced wife.

“Looking anguished in her elegant apartment”

Hilarious, Maureen Dowd reminds me of "The MTM Show" when Sue Ann Nivens tried out to be anchor and wrote her own copy about a mudslide in South America. And read it with a big smile: "Apple-cheeked housewives plucked gagging from the slime..."

And, yes, Apatow is a fuckwad, sticking his sanctimonious nose into everything while his movies reflect the most boorish of Man Nerd behavior. I am starting to think he is indeed protesting too much and too loudly.

R198 Uma could have lost her fortune to Bernie Madoff but she realized something was up just before the shit hit the fan and she marched into his office, threw a fit and got her money back. Everyone else (like Kevin Bacon) got fucked and lost everything. But as long as Uma gets hers, everything is okay. I wonder if she bothered to tell anyone else about Bernie as she was verifying the deposit back into her accounts.

I've begun to formulate a theory that the hysterical me-too misandry sweeping Hollywood and the world at large is due to an epidemic of Penis Envy. Perhaps if we gave these gals steel phallus" with which to beat off their Harveys the world would be a happier place.

R211, So Uma is complicit and responsible for Weinstein’s predatory behavior, because she got her money back from Madoff?

From what I recall Timothy Geithner warned Congress about Madoff, and told them that it was impossible to generate the returns on investments that Madoff was promising his clients. That was, is public record. People should have read that before handing him some cash.

These women r pissed because hthey lost their power when they lost their looks. They expect to have the power of an alpha male when their claim to fame is their tits and ass.

Markopolos, not Geithner, warned the SEC.

“These women r pissed because hthey lost their power when they lost their looks. They expect to have the power of an alpha male when their claim to fame is their tits and ass.”

Resentful because you weren’t born a beautiful woman?

Oh do shut up, R216, so many idiots on these threads.

But I do think some of these women really just need to forgive themselves for their parts in these stupid Hollywood games. I had to do the same. It didn't happen often but once or twice I did the "pity fuck" or "payback" sex for someone who had helped me. One guy grossed me out so much, I think I put a pillow over my face so I wouldn't have to see him come. I resented him for a bit after (he had done some nice things for me career wise) but then realized I had to take responsibility for my part in it. Since I had absolutely let it happen. I forgave him, I forgave myself, life went on and we stayed friends (and I never allowed myself to be in a position where that could happen again unless I wanted it to).

That part, of course, is being completely removed by this MeToo/TimesUp Victim march. For me, as a gay guy, it was also too much energy to put all that hate and anger on the other guy when I was there too (and didn't have to be). Not politically correct but I don't give a shit. Learn lessons, cut losses, move on (and, no, I am not talking about true rape when someone is violently forced. So don't mix it all together. It is NOT the same and you know it. I'm talking bad decisions that we all have made along the way).

You know that in every movie by Dario Argento the hand of the killer is always Dario's, right? So that makes him a monster too? Not defending tarantino, i actually hate his movies, but his style of directing is not that unusual.

Tarantino is a rage filled gay granny.

Why are people guessing Gere for the rapist?

Most of these comments don't even sound like gay men, at least not Dataloungers. Who the fuck are you mouthbreathing losers and where did you come from?

Some sound like publicity people. I would also guess QT to be on DL.

Learn to read r200. I didn't say "this is the most serious thing he's done," I said it was among the (implied multiple) serious accusations against him.

No, R213, it shows Uma is not some meek and timid person. How did you miss that? That took a lot of balls to do. It also shows once she gets hers she is not interested in warning others. Factors that contribute to the idea that her career and her money are more important than her self respect.

Everyone has to balance their self-respect, self worth and ethics with what they have to do to earn a living. Everyone has to make decisions that are both consciously and unconsciously affected by what we've gone through in the past what we've decided is acceptable and what we only later realize wasn't.

The lucky few whose dreams start to become reality want to hang onto it. The few people, both celebs and those in real life, who I've heard say they gave up big dreams and careers due to personal ethics have, in every case, been exaggerating if not lying to maintain personal branding.

Only on after school specials does anyone quit being a celebrity and reveal their former friends to be monsters, to the accolades of all.

Anyone holding Thurman to a standard of near perfection in this situation is just trying to justify the fact that she's made them angry by speaking out.

The women of Holllywood are every bit as self-interested, greedy. cutthroat and Machiavellian as the men. I know this from personal experience. It galls me that the Harvey/me too nonsense deliberately tries to convince people otherwise. None of these parties are innocent - none of them.

Maybe Uma did mention to friends that she didn't trust Madoff and had stopped investing through his firm. Who knows. Why did anyone give any banker ALL their money to invest. Sounds stupid.

Tangent: I know a guy who I long suspected of not being as independently hugely rich as he went on about. His cash poor status was really starting to show to a number of us. Then he used the Madoff meltdown to say he had been "wiped out" and had to start again at a million or 2. Which was probably the real "fortune" from the start.

That article is completely pointless — she doesn't reveal anything new that you couldn't have thought up yourself, after listening to other victims. Too little, too late.

The other thing is, she seems to have self-esteem issues and have always hitched up to abusive toxic guys. I mean.... Gary Oldman (reputation of slapping his partners around), Ethan Hawke (same), Arpad Busson (haven't heard anything in this regard but in his line of work, finance, some form of sociopathy is expected) now Weinstein....

You would have thought with all that privilege she would be able to protect herself

*reputation for*

Agreed, R226, especially those in the audience at the Globes acting all smug and laughing at jokes about Kevin Spacey being a bad actor who can't do a Southern accent and Harvey quips... and I glare at the screen and think, "Every motherfucker in that audience has fucked a co-worker, someone married, an agent, all in the name of "dating" maybe but they've still done it for career too..." and that's just sex. Don't even get started on lies, fucking over people who helped them early, stealing ideas, on and on.

The hypocrisy is these people, female and male alike, is what is pissing me off most. I cant wait for this to play out and all of these fuckers having their secrets brought to the surface -- in the name of the Greater Good, of course.

Busson comes from a VERY complicated and very high society background that includes his step father and namesake Arpad Plesch, who was a jew nevertheless invested in the German Holocaust industry (Zyclon B), super fancy yet dirty money launderer who lived in Villa Leonina and created a respected botanical garden. Its been several years since I investigated all this and can't remember the details but somehow Busson and Thurman are related through mid 20th century jet set marriages and also Arpad was a very dirty dealer who stole Jewish fortunes from his base in Switzerland during the war. Arpad junior went to Le Rosey and has always been a very fancy fancy playboy.

I don't doubt for one minute that there's been serial rape and assault in Hollywood. It's a vile place. However, Hollywood is also fueled by opportunists who will do whatever they need to do to get ahead, and we have some people with buyers remorse about how they conducted themselves. As you get older, you start to have significant regrets. Uma also did this in the most dramatic way possible where she released a statement earlier that she was going to talk about something later and then this article came out that is just a mess in how it was written. For all the women who are truly dealing with sexual assault and harassment in the workplace and beyond, it galls me that some actresses are using this to make themselves relevant. It's like everything is a press junket.

[quote]You know that in every movie by Dario Argento the hand of the killer is always Dario's, right? So that makes him a monster too? Not defending tarantino, i actually hate his movies, but his style of directing is not that unusual.

Only Argento wasn't really killing the actresses in his films whereas it seems Tarantino has a pattern of choking his leading ladies to within an inch of their lives, all in the name of getting that "realistic" look of horror (and broken blood vessels) in their eyes.

i don't believe for a second that Tarantino really chocked his actress. Camon now.

[quote]i don't believe for a second that Tarantino really chocked his actress. Camon now.

So he was lying when he said he did on the Graham Norton show? And was Diane Kruger lying when she corroborated this in a separate interview?

You haven't heard neg intel on Arpad Busson, R230? if you Google his name and Uma's, along with "custody battle," there's all kinds of nasty stuff being flung around. On both sides. The guy is total sleazeball Eurotrash. Uma has shallow but also self-destructive taste. She spent a fair bit of time on the short list of nominees for highest global pulchritude quotient, and could have had anyone, but she was like a moth to the flame for one narcissistic creep after another. The externals and the money factor were the big shinies for her, and she wasn't smart enough/deep enough, to vet the underneath.

R225, what's your point vis a vis Uma? Of course she made a choice. She wanted to get ahead and she made choices to do that. She succeeded. Now she's complaining. Like I said Uma chose her career over self respect and that's on her.

Weinstein is one sick fuck, of course he did it. You don't have to like Uma, but even Weinstein admits he "made a pass at her". From every other woman, we know exactly what kind of "pass" that was, he is a sicko.

The car footage is very damning. That car was a piece of shit. She was told to go 40 miles and hour. Right before the crash it was skidding sideways on a dirt road like she was driving on black ice. The back of her seat total gave way, that's what a crap car it was. She was very lucky.

Tarantino's movies are fucked up, sick and violent, surely, they are a reflection of his fucked up, sick and violent mind.

Disturbing that for his next film Death Proof, Tarantino featured a number of women dying violent, gory deaths by car.

And then casting stuntwoman Zoe Bell to do... numerous stunts in a moving car.

R237, all you've done is say (repeatedly) that women need to stop choosing to be abused.

You want me to engage you in discussion, but you're not worth the time.

He probably got the idea for the movie from the crash with Uma, r140.

R211 She told everyone she knew, but on one believed her.

R243, yes, i can see why people don't believe anything she says...from what I've seen in interviews, she doesn't come across as "smart".

i feel bad she suffered injury from these fukkers.

but ive alwys avoided movies she is in.

not interested...

On twitter, Pam Grier tweeted a link to the Hollywood Reporter piece on others in Hollywood calling out Tarantino, and she wrote “shaken and stirred”. Does anyone have any info on how he behaved on the set of Jackie Brown?

he alwys a fukin cunt

hope they brang him down

She should be angry. I’d say she should have publicized this long ago instead of tagging it to the #metoo coattails, but she at least admits to her silent complicity in the Hollywood abuse machine.

I don’t quite get the conflation of Tarantino’s wickedness and Weinstein’s, though. They seem to be mostly unrelated. Weinstein was the creepy pervert we expect him to be. Tarantino and Thurman have publicly played up Tarantino’s creepy foot fetish and his obsession with training his lustful camera on Thurman many times over the years, so she is on shaky ground complaining about Weinstein’s lecherousness on one hand and not really seeming to be bothered by Tarantino’s public sexual fetishization of Thurman. The car crash incident, plus the spitting and choking, are truly disturbing in an different way than all the accusations about Weinstein. Tarantino sounds more like a deranged sadist and less like a sexual predator from Thurman’s story.

Maureen Dowd’s “clever” use of language really distracted from Uma Thurman’s account. Why does the New York Times pay her?

Fellas, women don’t “choose” to be abused. That is what the vast majority of personal and professional interactions with men are like.

R249 Most personal and professional woman-man interactions don’t involve a man talking a woman into driving a car she is worried will crash, which he promises won’t and then does!

That may be a kind of metaphor for male-female professional dynamics, but it’s startling that it happened literally in Thurman’s case.

Tarantino and gere are gay.

[quote]Disturbing that for his next film Death Proof, Tarantino featured a number of women dying violent, gory deaths by car.

And a crashing bore. One of the only movies I ever walked out on.

R251 Gay or not, he pressured her to drive a car that was unsafe and then after she survived it, he insisted on being the person to spit in her face and choke her for subsequent scenes in the movie that were supposed to be performed by an actor. He’s a sick fuck.

It's not that startling, r250. Men seem to think they can do anything to women and it either doesn't matter or women should be able to just get over it, that surviving harassment is basically their job and an ethical requirement of being a woman.

Just like the people in this thread saying Thurman wasn't a good enough person and she wasn't strong enough, that's why this happened.

Uma Thurman is mad as hell and she is NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!

What i do not understand id why gay men are such ashamed to women coming forward with this crap. Bette Davis too no shit, these modern actresses are all whiny babies? Ima Thurman was raped, almost killed, injured and you guys think she's a whiny narcissist? Your jealousy over straight clock runs so deep you lose all human decency? What assholes.

Assholes not ashamed.

R256.

The same reason they hate trans, r256 - they’re no longer the center of attention or the biggest victims.

She was weak for getting into that car and he was totally wrong to force/coerce her. We all know what the fuck Weinstein is like, so I totally get her anger and disgust with that POS. Fuck that pulp fiction asshole, he tried to kill her! I'm even betting it was because HW was giving him shit and threatening not to distribute a movie she was in. That little fuck is the type to take out his frustrations on a woman and HW probably knew exactly how to pull the strings. This shit is sick and do not be surprised at how deeply this penetrates. Soulless monsters, all of them.

Bette Davis would've said "Fuck you" and walked off the lot on the spot, R256. Uma waited 20 years and kept working and playing nice with the people she is "angry" at now. Big difference.

No studio system to back up Thurman today.

What a weird and badly written article.

And really is it implying that Tarantino tried to kill her because she pissed off Harvey? Not really, right? Then what stays is that Tarantino was recklessly endangering her while making a movie. Which has absolutely nothing to do with anything? Except that it's on the list of things Uma Thurman is bitter about. So now "we" crucify Quentin Tarantino on the hill of #metoo for completely unrelated shit. Since we're just good and fired up.

This is getting weird.

Has it been mentioned yet that Uma posted the raw footage showing her injuring herself on Instagram? (Possibly Twitter too but I hate Twitter.)

She also posted a lengthy explanation in which she largely absolves Tarantino for the accident -- and reveals he was the one to give her the video years later, in order that she might expose what happened. She accuses Weinstein and other execs of covering up the accident.

I never miss an Irma Thurman musical,

Uma is now walking back her statements about Tarantino in the NYT interview. A safe guess is that Tarantino paid her off or promised her a role in his Manson movie. In her revised narrative, every one but Tarantino is responsible for her injuries on Kill Bill.

god, these women. What did I tell you about fucking actresses?

Yes, R265, I mentioned that already.

Who needs Uma Thurman when we'll always have the delightful and elegant Ona Munson?

Bieber is straight. Stalked him a lot on internet. He had a big crush on Selena when she was young. Lots of candid interviews and photos to prove he likes girls.

Andrew young husband on Canada's worst driver might be gay because ring finger is short.

[quote]“The complicated feeling I have about Harvey is how bad I feel about all the women that were attacked after I was,” she told me one recent night, looking anguished in her elegant apartment in River House on Manhattan’s East Side, as she vaped tobacco, sipped white wine and fed empty pizza boxes into the fireplace.

This is sort of the point. But keeping silent and being compliant with her treatment, she now has an elegant pied a terre in Manhattan. Those don't come cheap.

r269 huh? Is that you Tarantino, posting after a coke binge?

[quote]Andrew young husband on Canada's worst driver might be gay because ring finger is short.

Even allowing for this being posted in the wrong thread, this is still the most WTF thing I’ve seen in a while.

R272 Nigerian princes like Bieber, too!

Busson is all smoke and mirrors, not worth a fraction of the headline numbers - I’m in the business here in NYC , I know. I also encountered Uma and Ethan Hawke walking down Columbus ave one evening in 1998, in late -90s all black “incognito” outfits. I walked behind them for several blocks and ALL she talked about was “aristocratic family”-this and “the right kind of old money family”-that, “money, money, money”, “they’re just vulgar trash”, and all sorts of neurotic classist ranting. This women is status conscious and status hungry beyond belief!! I don’t believe a word of this sanctimonious PR horseshit. That whole Indo-Buddhist crap of her father is so affected - these people are such hypocrites. You never hear about the real victims of the Hollywood machine, they were just kicked to the curb, forever nobodies. All these celebrity victims are full of it - McGowan is right, it’s CAA contrived bullshit...

R274 I just re-listened to RuPaul’s interview with McGowan (from this summer, before Weinstein) and she sounds much less crazy to me now. She is very sanctimonious and has a savior complex, but her anger seems justified with every new story. She says Hollywood is built on the dead bodies of women, and she is quite right in a certain way. She said a male NPR reporter asked her if she worries her comments will make men uncomfortable. “No. Men should be uncomfortable. It’s the only way they will grow.” She called herself a social antagonist several times and she is that. It’s a minor miracle she hasn’t been totally dismissed as a crazy person and that some people are considering what she says. I find her histrionic and difficult to tolerate, but I dunno, at this point I am convinced that women really do have to work against complex forces that fuck with them constantly that men are entirely oblivious to on a conscious level.

Pam Grier should be kissing Tarantno’s feet for resurrecting her career from the dead instead of cryptically accusing of something.

We have no idea how/why Uma Thurman came to be at the wheel of that car. There are people who know, but WE don't know. We certainly didn't get any information from Maureen Dowd, whose "interview" with Uma went not where news interviews usually go, but instead went onto the "Opinion" page. It went there because it did not qualify as journalism or reportage. And that is because there was no corroboration, even anonymously, of anything Maureen printed as said by Uma. Now Uma is walking some of it back. It is no more likely that she's walking it back because she was "bought off" in some form, than it's likely she's walking it back because she's been reminded of actual facts existing that contradict what she said to Maureen in a manner that could make things very uncomfortable for her in a defamation suit. We don't know. And we don't know because #metoo is not journalism or reportage.

[quote] all you've done is say (repeatedly) that women need to stop choosing to be abused.

Um, right. Uma made a choice to drive that car. If she had said no then her good friend Quentin would have accepted it. Period.

And again, yes, women need to say no to abuse rather than going along for their careers. This really isn't rocket science. Women have been saying no for generations and many still succeeding in their lives. But, of course, the women who said no are women who don't throw pity parties for themselves or need a #rosearmy to function or attention from the world - they're too fucking busy taking care of business.

These women are simply terrible role models - despite their so called great careers and money and fame.

No apologies by me for being disgusted by most of these women.

........

QUENTIN SPEAKS!

Well that's exactly what I said about the "spit" and choke takes. QT personally took responsibility for doing them and of course he was the one to do them. If people don't get this then they don't get how films get made.

Even the driving scene makes sense as he explains it.

R265, I'm not sure Uma is walking back statements so much as Maureen Dowd is just a terrible writer.

R282 Maureen is a poor writer and one with either questionable ethics or questionable judgment.

Has anyone read her medical marijuana article? I’m bothered that the NY Times published it. TL:DR summary: Dowd went to Colorado to investigate the legalization of marijuana. She claims never to have taken it before. She bought a candy bar whose label clearly stated that it was medicinal and contains multiple (8?) doses and to use with caution, as is required by law. She went to her hotel room alone and ate some. Nothing happened, so she ate the whole fucking thing. She then had a trip from hell and went on a publicity tour saying medical marijuana is dangerous.

Which is basically like someone investigating the availability and effects of cough syrup by drinking six bottles of Robitussin.

She got a lot of blowback for her reckless stupidity but the NY Times evidently wasn’t phased, probably because she is one of their most recognizeable brand names.

“And again, yes, women need to say no to abuse rather than going along for their careers. This really isn't rocket science.”

Thank you for explaining that to us women, we would have never thought of that. Any other pointless “advice” for womenkind, you stupid foolio?

“Sir! Stop right there! I declare a citizen’s arrest! I shall not tolerate your abuse!”

Cuz that is how abuse works.

Every time I see her or hear her name, I can't help but say "Misssss Umaaaaaa Grrrrrrrrl"

That is all

Listen, if women don’t know enough to call Batman when a man is about to rape them, then that’s on them, amirite?

Also, as Don Lemon tactfully explained to one of Bill Cosby’s drugged-and-raped victims, “there are ways to avoid oral sex if you don’t want to do it.”

“Meaning,” he clarified, “the using of the teeth.”

Think, ladies, think! If only you had a man’s mind you’d avoid these totally avoidable situations. The using of the teeth. Do not forget.

It was a badly written story that was for some reason in the opinion section (?) It seems like Dowd was trying to imply that Harvey assaulted her during their last meeting, during which Uma said she lost her memory. But it wasn’t very clear.

At any rate, this hasn’t stopped the SJWs from frothing at the mouth about QT, even on DL. I miss the old days here.

Rape has always been considered a property crime. We are rewriting history and it makes no sense.

Uma's really angry because she has such a hard time finding shoes.

[quote] Thank you for explaining that to us women, we would have never thought of that. Any other pointless “advice” for womenkind, you stupid foolio?

Well, R284, since I am a woman who has made it in what was predominantly a man's field I feel perfectly capable of reminding women and young girls that they have the power to say no and to protect themselves and their careers without selling themselves short. And when they have been assaulted to take action at the time - not decades later.

It helps no one to make women feel that they are powerless and that they "have or had no choice". It doesn't help women and it doesn't help men. People learn from their mistakes but not when you pretend they didn't make mistakes.

And further to that, it must be annoying to be a woman like r291, to stave off the bad behavior by men and still get ahead, only to now hear from the women who actually did suck dicks and so on to get promotions that they are "victims" and "#metoo" now that there is victim entitlement cache in that.

I vaguely recall Daryl Hannah get injured on the Kill Bill set during what was a very long shoot that kept dragging on. It came out when she was promoting it. Can't find any articles with references to it during a quick Google search now however. Only articles about her injuries on the set of Blade Runner (elbow) and The Hot Flashes (knee). IIRC, the Kill Bill injury involved her back. So that's both leading ladies on the same film who could have been paralyzed.

The whole car crash thing is weird. How could Harvey hold that footage hostage when her pal Quentin is the director? Quentin would have a copy of the footage as he was the one who was editing the damned thing and the fact that he was able to give it to her now shows he could have given it to her then too. Why wait 15 years? And now Uma is making excuses for him and blaming everyone else except for the guy in charge for the crash.

It definitely sounds like he either paid her off since the article came out or is offering her a role in his new movie.

An interesting story about Uma Thurman being sexually abused by HW and bullied and physically injured in a QT movie, and at least 7 DLers have commented on how poorly written Maureen Dowd's article was.

I love you, Datalounge.

(BTW, MoDo's writing did suck in this article. Apparently the NYT can no longer afford editors?)

I wonder whether Dowd is above being edited now that she’s a stah.

R295, could be.

But, i have read that the NYT has done away with several levels of editing in an effort to rein in costs.

That is why you find typos and misspellings quite often these days.

R293 I agree. I think Tarantino had the footage all along but didn't give it to Uma because he feared he and Harvey would get sued by Uma.

I can’t stand Uma Thurman. That’s all I have to contribute to this thread.

R274 overheard a conversation 20 years ago and thinks he knows everything about Uma Thurman.

Unbelievable.

QT says it was found in a warehouse so no one destroyed it. Makes me wonder how hard Uma really tried to get it. She obviously never did it in a way that would have forced them to turn it over?

The fact you think exposing Hollywood rapists, sexual blackmailers and paedophiles who prey on young women, men and children constitutes as "misandry," R212, is very telling of your character. With the exception of trans "men," penis envy isn't a thing. No woman would want a penis, especially when female genitals are capable of multiple orgasm.

Not R212 but if that exposure includes believing every accusation made by a female against every male then I think there's a fair argument that borders on misandry.

My mind is blown. I LOVE Deathproof, and it never even occurred to me the QT might actually harbor this fetish IRL. But it makes so much sense I can't unsee it now, and the choking?

BTW Papa Thurman is the Real Thing with proper academic training in Tibetan Buddhist studies, not some self taught crunchy granola new-age flake:

She knew she blew

Ugh, the Thurman brother was in my undergrad school. He was as smug and affected as Uma. They both had this manner of speaking that was so pretentious. No wonder no one would cast her in anything but weirdo art house movies -- she's totally unrelatable and insufferable. As for Tarantino, he's an overindulged aspies whose work has never risen beyond pastiche.

I have no trouble believing that Uma Thurman is a pretentious, potentially unbearably so, prima donna.

Tarantino has always struck me as creepy far beyond any sort of creepy I could explain away as eccentric. He has spoken too many times about his list for Uma Thurman’s feet. His movies don’t just show gratuitous violence; they actually fetishize it. I’ve always had the feeling when watching his movies that the onscreen violence is a correlate to porn, but I’m not into seeing people suffer or blood and guts and so i avoid his movies. Now knowing he put her life at risk in the car and that he personally choked and spit on her (even with her permission) is just more disturbing info about Tarantino. I feel like he’d be a disturbed, violent person if he didn’t get it out of his system onscreen and I don’t get why he is celebrated for it.

Thurman’s pretension does nothing to detract from the super-creepy qualities of Tarantino, especially with this new information.

[quote]Thurman says, she warned Weinstein, “If you do what you did to me to other people you will lose your career, your reputation and your family, I promise you.” Her memory of the incident abruptly stops there.

Why does this sound so much like Slughorn's false memory of Tom Riddle asking him about horcruxes?

R308 That part stood out to me as especially questionable reportage. MAYBE Uma said something to that effect, but I can’t imagine anyone other than Julia Sugarbaker getting away with such a speech.

Tarantino is trying to act like good cop to Harvey weinsteins bad cop.

Tarantino had that footage all along. He had to dig through no warehouse it's all labels and air conditioning controlled. He makes it like a dirty storage space.

Tarantino should not find work in Hollywood again. His deeds are not defendable. He has shown bad faith throughout his career. No more chances. He's no genius.

Papa Thurman is an asshole and a huge pussyhound, according to my former fuckbuddy.

I don't know why you guys are confused about the lost memory part of the story.

It's saying that she remembers chewing him out but doesn't remember him specifically threatening her career. Her friend, however, remembers Uma leaving the meeting shaken and saying HW had threatened her career. Since Uma doesn't remember it, though, they make sure that the friend is quoted, as opposed to writing speculation as to WHY Uma chewed him out like that.

Dowd can't write worth shit but that part didn't seem confusing to me.

R312 You may be missing the obvious here. Some people here believe Uma was endangered/assaulted/injured and they take her at Dowd’s word. Some people hate Uma for the standard reasons (not attractive enough, too hoity toity, her manner of speech—any reason to hate her) and they therefore blame her for either lying or simply asking for it. There’s not much in between. Two biased types of people who agree on one thing: Maureen Dowd’s writing is shit.

Maureen Dowd's brain is shit. Naturally the writing is shitty.

I think they knew she was going to open her mouth and tried to set her up to die in that car. It's not beneath that Whale-Stein. And Tarentino can backpedalall he wants, that video was kept in a secure spot, far away from Uma. I don't believe all the rape allegations going around today, but this one I absolutely believe. Sounds like attempted murder to me.

[quote]I think they knew she was going to open her mouth and tried to set her up to die in that car.

Yes, out of all the dozens of women sexually harassed and even raped by Weinstein, Uma Thurman was the one they decided to murder on a movie set. For fucks sake, go back to Websleuths.

R312, that's seems to be the case, but that's not at all clear from the writing. On first reading I thought Dowd was suggesting Weinstein may have physically assaulted Thurman but she had since blocked that from her memory. The friend described her as disheveled, shaken and out of control afterward. Dowd makes no mention of Thurman's condition immediately following the prior physical assaults by him. We're led to believe this incident was somehow worse.

If the point was that Thurman doesn't specifically remember the threat now, but her friend remembered her reporting the threat contemporaneously, Dowd should have just made that clear. Instead, because Dowd is a shitty writer, she goes for salaciousness over clarity.

So basically, she's a shitty driver and couldn't even drive in a straight line at 40 mph?

So apparently, R318 can't read.

I don't think either QT or Uma's version of the car incident or the footage of it, stand up. The truth is out there, but we didn't get it from them, or Maureen Dowd. Everybody's working the spinning wheel.

R320, why don't you think their versions stand up?

"disheveled, shaken and out of control afterward" -- but then she brushed that hair, took a Xanax and a deep breath and made five, count 'em, FIVE more movies with the monster. The show must go on.

Why has Maureen’s writing/reporting deteriorated so much? Mid life crisis? Menopause? Issues?

Didn't she have a contract forcing her to R322?

I love you, R308.

R323: wetbrain?

[quote]Um, right. Uma made a choice to drive that car. If she had said no then her good friend Quentin would have accepted it. Period.

Says the anonymous poster about two complete strangers.You have ZERO idea how Tarantino would feel about his leading lady screwing up his multi-million dollar vision. Uma after working with him for almost a year on the other hand, might have.

Manipulators (in this case Harvey's girls: Uma, Goop, Salma, ...) play the victim role ("poor me") by portraying themselves as victims of circumstances or someone else's (Weinstein) behavior in order to gain pity or sympathy or to evoke compassion and thereby get something from someone. Caring and conscientious people cannot stand to see anyone suffering, and the manipulator often finds it easy and rewarding to play on sympathy to get cooperation.

R324 No

If Tarantino never made a movie there would be no loss. He is no Scorsese.

Tarantino and the Weinstein publicity machine just pump out publicity saying how genius and exciting he is. He's not. His movies are nothing but cartoons.

All of the fake fuckery of his beards. The fake uma is his girlfriend shit. Watch. The jewess he's supposed to love and marry won't happen. That engagement party was all a publicity thing. Only his actors and Weinstein were there for photos.

Smoke, mirrors and Jew gangster bosses gave the Tarantino gimp his life in Hollywood. The gimp used it to hurt people.

I'm curious what happened to tarantinos cock that people refer to it as "mangled".

Uma Thurman's 'Kill Bill' Crash Sparks Outrage in Stunt Community

Armstrong says stunt coordinator Adams, whose job includes vetoing unsafe action, could have stepped in to prevent Thurman from driving the car, but he wasn’t on set at the time. “The stunt coordinator was told to stay in his hotel that day, stay home,” says Armstrong

[Quote] “The stunt coordinator was told to stay in his hotel that day, stay home,” says Armstrong

That's not suspicious at all😒

[quote]If Tarantino never made a movie there would be no loss. He is no Scorsese.

Happy to disagree! I hate his current trend of sadistic revenge movies, but IMO Pulp fiction and Jackie Brown are brilliant movies, Pulp Fiction in particular being an amazing achievement, better in fact than most Scorsese movies.

“The stunt coordinator was told to stay in his hotel that day, stay home,” says Armstrong

Wow. This is scary

Tell it like it is Uma

QT is finished.

R336 = Woody Allen

he bit fergie

R338 I'm surprised he didn't suck her toes

That's when he bit her r339

The reasons to find Tarantino distasteful are endless.

#BoycottTarantino

So Tarantino likes to choke women, bite them and otherwise brutalize them, it gets him off. Whatta piece of shit..

R326: I’m afraid that’s my hunch too.

we beg thee mistress uma

plz bring down asswipe tarrantino....u and ur lady buds.

its necessary !

[bold]'Kill Bill' Stunt Coordinator Breaks Silence on Uma Thurman Crash[/bold]

[quote]“No stunts of any kind were scheduled for the day of Ms. Thurman’s accident. All of the stunt department was put on hold and no one from the stunt department was called to set. At no point was I notified or consulted about Ms. Thurman driving a car on camera that day. Had I been involved, I would have insisted not only on putting a professional driver behind the wheel but also insuring that the car itself was road-worthy and safe.”

What a stunning display of negligence.

R291 is a man pretending to be a woman

is it too late to sue? probably but what a fucking asshole. He could have killed her. I think deep down he hates women. He was probably rejected a million times before he was famous coz just look at that ugly face. Even now, few would want to fuck him unless they want something...

Is that really a stunt? She was just fucking driving a car? Damn these are coddled people. Making millions while they're at it. Hard to have any sympathy for her.

[quote] is it too late to sue?

Of course it's too fucking late to sue. You think you get decades to make these decisions.

Maybe read the article first before you comment r348.

Look at Tatum O'Neal's Twitter oF February 7th. It tells us what happened in her #MeToo moment with Tarantino.

He's a slob pervert. She had to recite dialog from when she was a child as he did her feet. Ugh!

Give us a link, R351, you lazy motherfucker!

It was consensual

I think this is it, R352, but they have Twitter blocked where I work so I'm not sure.

So Tarantino doesn't have a casting couch but a casting foot licking for actresses interested in getting roles in his movies?

[quote] MoDo is so shitty.

Gretchen, stop trying to make "MoDo" happen. It's not going to happen!

Uma consented to driving that car. If she didn't want to, she should have put her foot down. This #MeToo thing is being used not only as a vehicle for sex abuse justice, but also as a cover for women with weak personalities to claim victimhood over trifles. Like that time a woman tried to sink Aziz Ansari because she was not strong enough to make clear to him that she didn't want to fuck despite the fact that he never used force or intimidation against her.

[quote]Is that really a stunt? She was just fucking driving a car? Damn these are coddled people. Making millions while they're at it. Hard to have any sympathy for her.

It was a jimmy rigged car without a roof and a Panavsion camera bolted to the back going 40 miles an hour on a dirt road. Now do us all a favor, rip the roof off your car, strap your refrigerator to the trunk and try it....then get back to us .....

[quote]Uma consented to driving that car. If she didn't want to, she should have put her foot down.

But if she put her foot down, Quentin might have been disappointed.

Further to which, r355 where did you read that was what happened with Tatum?

[quote]But if she put her foot down, Quentin might have been disappointed.

I hope you're being funny here.

Oooh, I get it now! LOL!

I still don't understand why it took 15 years for her to get the footage.

Why the fuck didn't she sue?

high-class whore

r363 = Harvey, bumping a month-old thread to add that insult

I cant watch movies she is in

I get bad mojo from her

sumpin aint right....

[quote]Miramax favored Holly Hunter or Meg Ryan for the role of Mia. Alfre Woodard and Meg Tilly were also considered.

Please fire whoever the casting director was for floating those choices.

Holly HUNTER as a trophy wife?? I don't think so.

Holly Hunter ? Interesting because she was one of Weinstein's actors like Thurman!

R353 It is true. Weinstein also forced his faves to directors like Tarantino, Scorsese and many others.