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Do I need a fucking lawyer?

I blame you (I’m kidding, I just feel like a dumbass). You all encouraged me to deal with my aging face using Retin-A. I’m cheap, so I ordered from overseas from one of the great websites we’ve discussed on the countless skin care/aging threads (I’m the OP of The Skin Skinny).

So, I ordered from India, and added several different antibiotics. Never got my order, lots of back and forth, company reshipped and I received the second box. The first one never appeared.

Today, I open my mail, and I have a letter from the FDA telling me they’ve confiscated my package. They list all the pills, quantities, the tubes, etc. They tell me I can choose to respond. I was splitting the order woth two friends. I paid $300ish.

Do I respond? Am I going to jail? How many laws did I break? Do I need a lawyer? Should I just do nothing and not respond?

I know this is silly, but I am legitimately scared. I was just trying to save money, there are no controlled substances, just what I listed, but they hammered home repeatedly in letter that the drugs I bought, in their form, are not authorized by the FDA. Do I throw my willing body to the justices to ravage for my sins? Do I need to #releasethememo? What do I do NOW? Imma scared!

Help me DL, you’re my only hope......

by Anonymousreply 63February 5, 2018 3:47 PM

Do not ever respond. Just suck up the loss.

by Anonymousreply 1February 3, 2018 4:44 AM

This happens to guys on bodybuilding / steroid sites all the time. Nothing further happens when the quantities are for personal use. If you imported 100 bottles of it you'd likely have more serious issues. What you did is a crime, but they can't prosecute everyone who orders Canadian Viagra or Testosterone patches from India... so they give you that letter, put your name in a database, and I'd guess if you do this 10 more times, then they'd come after you.

That being said, I did not see your particular letter and precisely what happened isn't totally clear. When you say " They tell me I can choose to respond" - that is not clear. Respond about what? The more you say, the worse it can become unless a lawyer drafts a response, but it sounds like they don't need a response. They'd just file it away with the notes about what they seized.

by Anonymousreply 2February 3, 2018 4:45 AM

Just let it go. That is unless you have absolutely no pills, They would not care about the RetinA, but they care about the pills.

I order from India every three months and have yet to have an issue, but the site I use is one of the more expensive. You may have used a more slipshod source. I once ordered Lortabs from a Chinese site and received the same message you did. I ate the loss and I never heard from the FEDS again.

by Anonymousreply 3February 3, 2018 4:45 AM

BTW, you just got your first LL (love letter).

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by Anonymousreply 4February 3, 2018 4:48 AM

R3, I have the pills, lots of them. I received the second box.

by Anonymousreply 5February 3, 2018 4:49 AM

OP wanted a retin-a facial and will now end up in the clink getting a very different kind of facial. Don't worry, they both work on wrinkles!

by Anonymousreply 6February 3, 2018 4:53 AM

Frankly R6, you don't have the wit needed for DL.

by Anonymousreply 7February 3, 2018 4:54 AM

Frankly, r7 - you can eat my pussy raw.

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by Anonymousreply 8February 3, 2018 4:57 AM

Here are some more specifics from the letter. The header says “”Notice Of FDA Action.”

It has my shopping list, and next to each item is says “detained 1/25/17.”

The another header: “Detained: Subject to Refusal” and ittgen lists everything again. Woth each type of med, they repeat that because it’s foreign produced it’s not FDA approved.

The finally, it tells me I have the right to respond by a deadline, whereby if I can show the meds are in compliance I can have them back.

I actually already got what I paid for, I’m out no money. But even so, I would have kissed the pills good bye. So, if I don’t respond, will they just leave me alone and I’m assuming just destroy the meds? I’m good with that. But now can I never order my Retin-A again???? WTF! Am I on a watch list now?

I suppose I could give yo the pills — I only order them because it saves he the hassle of going to see my dr when I know I have a sinus infection. But I do NOT want to pay USA dollars for my face dream dammit!!!

by Anonymousreply 9February 3, 2018 5:03 AM

[quote]whereby if I can show the meds are in compliance I can have them back.

Ok that was the part I didn't get the first time... yea, don't reply. Nothing is going to happen if you don't reply. If you do reply, it's still irrelevant because they aren't giving you the retin-a no matter what. It's a form letter that is sent in the small chance they seize something legal / FDA approved. Maybe if you were visiting grandparents in europe and they sent your pills back that you left on the dresser & those got seized... that would be about the only exception I can think of.

Nobody knows if there is a list for sure, but I'd be very surprised if there wasn't one given the extraordinarily increased surveillance, exponentially growing since 9/11.

by Anonymousreply 10February 3, 2018 5:10 AM

[quote] But I do NOT want to pay USA dollars for my face dream dammit!!!

Retin-a is no miracle. It makes your skin incredibly dry and sensitive. You can't go in the sun at all without SPF 45. It's hard to get the right dose and timing....and you don't see changes for 6 months or more. Get a TCA peel series or something. Or do a glycolic peel series. Find a good cosmetic dermatologist who isn't a shill for whatever drug rep just visited.

Honestly, I think retin-a fucked up my skin badly in high school. It was the last step before accutane, and it's the only thing that caused my acne to leave a scar behind. It screws up the way your body deals with keratin and other proteins in the skin in the process of making cells less "sticky" and faster to divide.

by Anonymousreply 11February 3, 2018 5:15 AM

I agree r10, there “must” be a list. I mean, I did break the law, so why shouldn’t my name be on that list lol? I just don’t want to be charged with anything, and if that’s even a possibility, I would hire one. But so far, you all sound like you think the FDA willdrop it now?

R11, then what do you recommend using if not Rentin-A?

by Anonymousreply 12February 3, 2018 5:18 AM

I was mentioning the TCA or Glycolic acid peel series, by a dermatologist since you're considering retin-a... they do similar things, but what exactly are your skin issues? You should be evaluated by a dermatologist who can give you the right advice rather than me, some anonymous person on the internet with some anecdotes about what I like vs. what I don't.

by Anonymousreply 13February 3, 2018 5:22 AM

I have seen very good derms off and on over the years. I’m aging, my skin tone is less even, a few light age spots, some adult acne combined with dry skin thatwill not exfoliate naturally. But I think you’re right, maybe this is a sign that it’s time to go back.

I’ve used lots of peels over the years too. I think RetinA gives you better results, BUT peels are great too and you’re right, they don’t weaken your skin so much.

by Anonymousreply 14February 3, 2018 5:28 AM

I didn't read the other skin thread you started but there are tons of boards online for people discussing skin products and issues. The problem is no two people react the same way... it's a frustrating series of trial and error (and expensive). Most things take months to show their results, and then you might be let down.

Retin-a causes a lot of inflammation, so it makes it look like your wrinkles are gone due to that alone. Peels do this too. So does a sunburn for that matter.

by Anonymousreply 15February 3, 2018 5:44 AM

I got one LL years ago but nothing in the past decade. I've probably had 20+ orders arrive safely. There's just too much mail entering the country to intercept much.

I will say that the smarter online pharmacies know from experience which destinations are the most troublesome and will recommend a remaining service if you live in certain states.

by Anonymousreply 16February 3, 2018 5:46 AM

OP, you are a fool to order God knows what from God knows where. As far as the antibiotics, they could be adulterated. That's the kind of thing that contributes to antibiotic resistance, a major health threat now. Don't prescribe for yourself.

by Anonymousreply 17February 3, 2018 6:48 AM

how can you order from overseas? never ever order from china! i hear they don't have proper standards? in fact there is a post on my fb feed saying not to buy anything made in china and you can tell by the first few number of bar codes.

by Anonymousreply 18February 3, 2018 6:54 AM

Differin is now available without a prescription in the US. It isn't quite as strong as Tretinoin, which is the generic name for what you ordered, but it still works very well. I'd rather use Differin that deal with the hassle of Tretinoin.

by Anonymousreply 19February 3, 2018 7:11 AM

OP, I wouldn't worry about it. The burden of proof is on them, and even if there were to be some kind of investigation (there won't), plausible deniability should work in your favor. Obviously, do not respond to the notice you received, and don't order shit from India. Do keep in mind that the gov could tie you to an overseas order using your payment info -- that's a big reason why cryptocurrencies have skyrocketed in value.

I've been ordering shit via "darknet" markets for years now, and I've never had any kind of issue or run-in with the gov. The markets themselves are user-friendly and much safer than ordering from fly-by-night online pharmacies

And forget the lawyer -- they're far more trouble than they're worth.

by Anonymousreply 20February 3, 2018 7:13 AM

^^remailing service, not remaining

Damn autocorrect.

by Anonymousreply 21February 4, 2018 1:53 AM

Ok, thank you all, I will try to return the favor.....

by Anonymousreply 22February 4, 2018 2:05 AM

you need a fucking vicious faceslap!

by Anonymousreply 23February 4, 2018 2:08 AM

A few things - I get prescription drugs on Amazon from all sorts of places like China or India, plus someone orders oils from all over the world. None of it has EVER been detained at all.

by Anonymousreply 24February 4, 2018 2:22 AM

I knew a girl who ordered drugs from overseas that were seized by the FDA. But then she died.

by Anonymousreply 25February 4, 2018 2:25 AM

The Indian iteration of Cialis works beautifully for me. And fuck 'em. Why pay more?

It's just foolishness to grasp your pearls in horror and to believe that only the U.S. of A. could possibly manufacture a pharmaceutical. Do you REALLY think our underfunded and over-lobbied FDA can do a goddamned thing to police Big Pharma?

by Anonymousreply 26February 4, 2018 2:34 AM

Many of the generics made in India and Pakistan by companies like Dr Reddy's are sold in the U.S.

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by Anonymousreply 27February 4, 2018 2:44 AM

I've read that 1 in 4 Americans have ordered pills from overseas, there are so many shipments coming in that they cannot keep track. They seize some, but I doubt they will get you the next time. I've ordered from Inhouse a number of times with no problems, they do not sell controlled substances so I think they are less likely to get seized.

by Anonymousreply 28February 4, 2018 2:46 AM

OP I think you just totally fucked up, the FBI is watching your online confession. I'd definitely lawyer up quickly, they're on their way now.

by Anonymousreply 29February 4, 2018 2:55 AM

What website did you order from, o p. We all need to know.

by Anonymousreply 30February 4, 2018 3:25 AM

All day chemist ^. The communication isn’t always seamless, but they more than make up for that with good intentions. They’ve always been very good to me, I received a new order within four days of my email to them.

by Anonymousreply 31February 4, 2018 3:29 AM

OP which pharmacy did you order from and where do you live? I've placed countless orders from All Day Chemist and never heard a peep. Seriously, I've been buying from them for years and years. I don't order anything but Tazorac and an inhaled corticosteriod (fluticasone proprionate) for my asthmatic cat. The inhaler would cost over $300 if purchased in the US and the exact same inhaler manufactured by Glaxo is $75 through them.

by Anonymousreply 32February 4, 2018 3:49 AM

I really think nothing will happen, don't respond but don't do it again. Just my advice. Many people do this and they are not going to waste the time or money prosecuting a first time offender who didn't order a quantity that would indicate intent to distribute. Further, they are not narcotics or schedule a substances.

I am a long time Retin-A user. I have also used the generic tretinoin. I have had great results. I get it from my dermatologist, I am very careful to use it as directed. In other words, I had to stagger my application in the beginning to prepare my skin to handle it. The first 2 weeks, I applied a pea-sized amount once every 3 days at night; the following two weeks, every 2 days; the last 2 weeks, every night. Just a pea sized amount. And I ALWAYS use sunscreen. Every day. Even if I am just looking out the window. Retin-A/Tretinoin makes your skin incredibly sensitive to the sun and can cause all sorts of sun damage and cellular damage to your skin if you expose it to the sun. So that means no tan - ever.

Eventually I did notice my face was getting too dry, so I reverted back to applying once every 2 nights and I still found I got great results and my skin looked amazing. The upside, in addition to amazing skin, is that it really does take away fines and wrinkles that I noticed after I turned 35. This may sound delusional on my part, but just trust me when I say that people think I am at least 5-10 years younger than I am. yes, a lot is genetics but I attribute it to the Retin-A as well.

But expect your skin to have a reaction to the Retin-A even if you follow this program to a tee. After a few weeks, your skin will be inflamed, itchy, flaky, dry, (lots of flaking around the jawline esp). I think that people who tolerate it well and who gradually introduce it in small doses only experience these side effects mildly and for a short period of time. I never had a terrible reaction or experience with flaking, inflammation. I also, oddly, preferred a particular company's tretinoin to brand name Retin-A and to other brands of tretinoin, but this is just my personal experience. Everyone is different.

The only other downside I faced was that once in a while my cheeks would turn very red, mostly when I was in a stuffy room. Almost like a rosacea. It doesn't happen often, and I am very very fair-skinned (so it might not happen to you if you aren't), but to me this downside is manageable considering the benefit.

Some people say it makes you lose hair or causes hair thinning. I can't tell if that's the case or not. Did I notice my hair thinning while using it - yes. (I am a woman so it's not male-pattern baldness). But my hair has gone through endless cycles of shedding/growth/shedding again since my late 20s (so nearly a decade). I doubt Retin-A is the cause, though it might not be helping the situation (the shedding is not that bad though, only I notice).

If you decide you want to continue using it, any dermatologist will prescribe it. You can say you used to use it for acne with another dermatologist and would like another prescription. Insurance will usually cover part of it for an acne diagnosis (which is a medical condition) but they won't for wrinkles (which is cosmetic).

by Anonymousreply 33February 4, 2018 4:18 AM

i'm sorry but i would never buy anything from china. ever. if you value your health. it can damage your liver and you die in a few weeks. I wouldn't risk it.

by Anonymousreply 34February 4, 2018 4:28 AM

Agree with the posters about China. If it arrives at all, it won't be what you ordered. Dangerous.

I've used several highly-reliable online pharmacies over the years. You might sign up to Drug Buyers Guide for hints as to who's reliable now but, even with that site, you have to be trusted to get info.

God, around 2006 there were Florida based pharmacies that let you fill out an online "exam" to be reviewed by a doctor. Then FedEx overnight would deliver you a brown pharmacy bottle, complete with a doctor's name, of 90 bars of 2mg Xanax. Standard US pharmacy generic brand. No crossing international borders. Lovely.

For some time now I have used a service in the Philippines that sells name brand and generics of all types. Amphetamines to barbiturates (just pheno) to antibiotics to milder opiates to several benzos, some not available here.

Due to their packaging which I won't describe, I've never had anything seized (knock on wood). It does take 3-4 weeks from the Philippines. No tracking but the company is reportedly excellent about replacing lost or seized shipments, though I've never had either.

by Anonymousreply 35February 4, 2018 4:56 AM

OP, you might also look into VPNs when discussing or ordering drugs.

by Anonymousreply 36February 4, 2018 4:59 AM

[quote]For some time now I have used a service in the Philippines that sells name brand and generics of all types. Amphetamines to barbiturates (just pheno) to antibiotics to milder opiates to several benzos, some not available here.

R35, I would be willing to bet almost everything I own that you are being sent counterfeit medication. My partner is in law enforcement and those sites sell horse tranquilizers, etc., under the guise of desirable substances. They can make anything look like a vicodin or xanax or anything else. You should be VERY careful and I would encourage you to stop ordering anything from the Philippines.

by Anonymousreply 37February 4, 2018 5:05 AM

You can send a thank you note to that little bitch Cory Booker. He voted against a law to allow Americans to buy reasonably priced medication from other countries

He happily sold out American citizens for about $250,000 in "donations" (bribes) from a few different drug companies. He's a traitor and a cheap ass, basic bitch, discount whore

by Anonymousreply 38February 4, 2018 5:07 AM

I had antibiotics grabbed by the PO when I used Shop East West years ago but never got a letter, fortunately.

I checked out All Day Chemist a while back but it seemed like a pain to pay.

by Anonymousreply 39February 4, 2018 5:21 AM

[quote]I would be willing to bet almost everything I own that you are being sent counterfeit medication.

You must be willing to lose almost everything you own.

If you know what a medication feels like, you can tell immediately if it's the same thing. But my source in the Philippines subjects their drugs to anonymous third party testing, for our peace of mind.

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by Anonymousreply 40February 4, 2018 5:28 AM

Looks like Muriel has blocked ecstasydata the organization.

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by Anonymousreply 41February 4, 2018 5:31 AM

Sorry Muriel, it went through.

by Anonymousreply 42February 4, 2018 5:31 AM

well, i hope you guys have people who can donate a kidney or liver to you coz you guys are really taking big risks with your health. It is not worth it!

by Anonymousreply 43February 4, 2018 5:38 AM

R43, stop clutching your pearls and read R27

by Anonymousreply 44February 4, 2018 5:55 AM

Go to your dr or a dermatologist. Get your prescription for Retin-A a.k.a. tretinoin.

Go to GoodRX.com. Print out a coupon for tretinoin.

With that coupon, you can walk into CVS and get it for $69. Or Walmart, Kmart, etc. for slightly more.

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by Anonymousreply 45February 4, 2018 7:35 AM

Next time,Mary OP, just go to India and bring the stuff back in your carry-on bag!

by Anonymousreply 46February 4, 2018 7:47 AM

Unless they have proof you actually ordered what can they do? Anyone can order and have it sent to your house. That's no proof. Of course if you used your credit card and didn't report it stolen, you now should do so, because then they have you.

by Anonymousreply 47February 4, 2018 8:30 AM

[quote]Many of the generics made in India and Pakistan by companies like Dr Reddy's are sold in the U.S.

R27 and R44, so what? When you buy from illegal sources all rules fly out of the window. They've found lead and other poisonous substances in the drugs ordered from China. Fake drugs are sometimes even distributed as genuine in the official channels so how do you expect the criminals in China and India behave nicely at the black market? You just don't know what you're really buying. You most certainly can destroy your liver or kidneys from fake drugs. Being worried about that is not pearl clutching but being realistic.

by Anonymousreply 48February 4, 2018 9:00 AM

Someone up thread said "there must be a list" one is on after receiving the letter.

I do not think so. I received the letter 7 years ago after ordering Lortab from China(as I said in my first post.) Since that time I have gotten no less than 50 shipments from different suppliers, most of them in India and the Caribbean, I have never gotten a letter again(knock on wood.)

They do it just to put a little scare in you IMHO. Probably 1/3 of the people who get the letter never order again, and that in itself accomplishes quite a bit for them.

I so miss the good old days prior to 2007 when one could pay top dollar to get their Lortabs and Vikes legally through the mail. Good times.

by Anonymousreply 49February 4, 2018 9:21 AM

Some sister in us customs is now enjoying OP's purchases for free!

by Anonymousreply 50February 4, 2018 9:25 AM

R8 you fucking PIG

OP: DO NOT respond. trust me. do not. i know someone whop went thru a kind of similar trip but got a letter from

the U.S. Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), published the Federal Register final rule titled “Disposal of Controlled ... Mailers wishing to conduct a mail-back program must submit a letter of request to the manager, Product Classification.... blah blah blah...

basically told them if you wanna come get this call us ( the post office) if we get no response it will be destroyed in 30 days.....

dummy CALLED them......nothing ever happened but it was frightening and she was beyond stupid to respond. she did not have to do anything . the guy kept calling her back and harassing her also.....

by Anonymousreply 51February 4, 2018 9:48 AM

you DO NOT NEED A LAWYER.

YOU NEED TO DO NOTHING. IGNORE IT.

the end.

by Anonymousreply 52February 4, 2018 9:50 AM

Thanks to all you. I’m pretty surprised at some of the ignorance here. No one is ordering from China — this is India. In spite of India’s problems, they have a LOT thy are doing right too. This pharmacy is completely legit, not selling any poison.

At one point, I toyed with hiding my location (is that the VPN? Can’t remember what I used). But then when I thought about crytocurrency to erase a money trail, it became too damn hard.

I feel much better based on comments. I’m not going to stop ordering at ALL, but I’ll wait maybe six months. Can’t I buy a pre-paid credit card to hide the money trail? I know many overseas won’t take certain PP cards. Is there an easy way to hide the money trail?

R35, you’ll need to riddle me who you use lol!

by Anonymousreply 53February 4, 2018 2:40 PM

Ive ordered tretinoin from overseas, you get the exam same brand and drug that you get here with lot numbers and all the exact same packaging. If you are panicky about it, there is curology, i think they have a tele-dermatologist that you send pictures to and then they formulate some bottle with tretinoin, niacinamide mixture. Ive never tried it though, I am happy with tretinoin although my skin is terribly dry.

by Anonymousreply 54February 4, 2018 3:35 PM

[quote] I’m pretty surprised at some of the ignorance here.

[quote] toyed with hiding my location (is that the VPN? Can’t remember what I used). But then when I thought about crytocurrency to erase a money trail, it became too damn hard.

Gurl...

by Anonymousreply 55February 4, 2018 3:49 PM

Like r54, I have ordered tretinoin for some time with no problems and happy with the product. When you start ordering enough things to open a pharmacy, you kind of get their attention. It’s called stupidity.

by Anonymousreply 56February 4, 2018 4:50 PM

How do you pay? The credit card companies agreed with the DEA and FDA to disallow their cards use for paying overseas pharmacies.

by Anonymousreply 57February 4, 2018 6:28 PM

OP, what does a "fucking lawyer " do?

by Anonymousreply 58February 5, 2018 8:46 AM

You do need a lawyer. I wish you the best.

by Anonymousreply 59February 5, 2018 9:49 AM

Now, why do you suppose the FDA did that, hmmmm?

by Anonymousreply 60February 5, 2018 11:07 AM

you shouldn't be ordering antibiotics and taking them without a prescription.

by Anonymousreply 61February 5, 2018 11:28 AM

r61 is the person who tells people smoking that cigarettes are bad for you.

by Anonymousreply 62February 5, 2018 11:50 AM

I pay for my overseas ordered drugs with my Visa card with no problem.

by Anonymousreply 63February 5, 2018 3:47 PM
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