Robert Wagner: Person of Interest in the Death of Natalie Wood

Fuckig duh, everyone knew bu the police?

At last....

He wasn't very nice to Sal Mineo.

I think he killed her or ignored her when she needed help.

He was sucking Walkens cock. She got pissed And he did not kill her , but ignored her and let her drown.

When RJ was supposedly fucking BS , was She screaming Robert T or Lucille?

Is this case being revisited because of the MeToo# movement? Was he considered a Hollywood untouchable up till now?

He might have lost it and slapped her out. If he was drunk that night with lowered inhibitions he wouldn't have gone to help her until it was too late.

Will they eventually arrest Kirk Douglas, too?

"I think he killed her or ignored her when she needed help."

Ignoring someone when they need help is perfectly legal; except in some cases if you offer help (thus the other person is relying on you) and then retract it.

They'll dig him up and slap the cuffs on him.

RJ was very persuasive as a killer when he pushed Joanne Woodward off the roof of an office building in "A Kiss Before Dying."

No, they'll bury him at sea...

I'm sorry but it took the police nearly 40 years to come to the conclusion that RJ had something to do with Natalie's death? So now they're going to put an old man on trial for something he may or may not have done decades ago? I guess it will be worth it just to see Crazy Chris Walken on the stand and the inevitable Ryan Murphy mini series a few years down the road.

Maybe not 40 years to come to the conclusion. 40 years to do something about it.

I don't know what is the motivation of the "Kirk Douglas is a murderer who needs to go down" troll. but he pops up regularly these days.

There are plenty of bad guys walking around free who can still do a lot of damage to the living. Why not concentrate on one or more of them?

Do you seriously believe that LE would arrest and try a 100 year old man for a crime which occurred over 50 years ago; Do you know how difficult it would be to prove any crime was committed even if they were positive that it had been? They can't even prepare a decent case against Cosby whose crimes were committed 30 years ago(some of them.)

Unless they had the evidence but ignored it because he was a big shot and now they are trying to make things right.

Maybe Walken saw what happened and wants to be right with God before he goes.

Kirk Douglas supposedly raped Natalie. It would be great if they went after that piece of shit as well.

Are you completely nuts R19? The man is 95% dead now. He cannot even talk or walk. You really think that anyone is going to go after him?

This all still hold interest? We'll never know what happened.

Nothing is going to happen to him

R19 "Fuuuaauua...ccccccccccuuuucccckkkkk......eeeuuhyyyooouuuuuuu!!"

I'm sure that all three aboard ship that night were extremely drunk, their restaurant bar bill had them drinking enough for a whole navy. Nathalie falls overboard wearing a big down parka, which weighs a ton when soaked and quickly drowns. I'm sure that's 90% of the truth, so why 35 years after the tragedy is anyone interested in RJ? Haven't they suffered enough as a family?

Down jacket floats on the contrary. She was covered in bruises. Don't you have a heart?

Not to "blame the victim," but maybe she shouldn't have got so trashed at dinner...accidents happen when you're blind drunk.

R26 - RJ's Whip Smart Defence Team

AND male lover!

(I'm going to get it ALL!)

After all this time we'll never know the truth unless RW confesses.

'zactly....

And the defense RESTS!

Read the coroner’s report. There is proof there that she died accidentally. Every few years someone writes a book to try to cash in on the fact that the report is not readily available to the public. It’s a shame she died the way she did. There is more likely a Rebel Without A Cause curse (the 3 lead characters all died in an untimely fashion) than there is evidence that Woods death was not an accident.

Coroner Noguchi ? report obviously tampered with, so botched he was forced to resign the following year, and publicly admitted a few years ago that he deliberately concealed facts although ' couldn't remember why he did so'.who doesn't know that mafia controls hollywood ? I am not going to post any further in this thread. I just can't understand why some people wouldn't wagner to answer for the cover up. How is murder cool ? Why should he get away with it just because he is old? You queens are crazy and pathetic.

R32 Do you have the proof that RW killed her? Yes or no?

The fact is that there's no definite proof he killed her or that it was an accident. So unless he confesses, legally he didn't kill her. Make peace with that and move on.

She was a g-damn drunk who couldn't hold her liquor, and fell on her ass. Don't blame us.

[quote]Do you know how difficult it would be to prove any crime was committed even if they were positive that it had been?

With the same jury that freed OJ, I'd say it's a given they'd convict him.

[quote]Read the coroner’s report. There is proof there that she died accidentally.

You can also read literally hundreds of coroner's reports where they rule the death accidental or one thing, then they dig the body up and find out it was something else.

There's also cases where they think it's a murder and then find it was an accident.

The real question is why do you care so much. It's like with Woody Allen, why do you make it a personal offense and crusade ?

[quote]R37 The real question is why do you care so much.

Apparently because Natalie Wood was "sooooooooooooooooooooooooo pretty."

When average-looking people die, they don't care.

It should be called Sharon Tate Syndrome.

R25 - from what I have read the down jacket is what caused Natalie to drown. It became heavy when soaked from the water and her compromised state from being drunk meant she didn't have the idea to take it off, which might have saved her.

i dont believe it

i think she was murdered....

I wonder if there was a relationship beyond friendship that Robert Wagner and Christopher Walkin had.

If three’s a crowd, which one was crowding?

I'm amazed when I hear stories of someone walking in on something. You would think people would lock doors so as to not get caught, but maybe keeping it unlocked is part of the thrill?

Down jacket kept her afloat on the contrary. Coroner Noguchi lied and was forced to resign

You know that people who drown then reemerge.

R44 It happened in a Julia Roberts movie once!

RJ likes being a cuckold. He wasn’t sucking cock without his wife in the room. Nobody walked in on anything.

R45

Didn’t RJ get fucked routinely by Darryl Zanuck back in the early 50’s? How else could he have had access to al those starring roles? It certainly wasn’t due to his acting ability.

RJ was gorgeous when he was young.

wagner had alot of cock they say.....

I recently watched the movie Winning in which we are supposed to believe that Joanne Woodward has an affair with RJ while she is married to Paul Newman! That is all kinds of wrong.

DOWN JACKET KEPT HER AFLOAT are you daft ? How many times do you need to be told. It's duck feathers, doesn't go down, unlike R.J.Wagner

R54 duck feathers don't go down????????

Is Christopher Walken bi?

Duck feathers float, who doesn't know THAT ???

R57 Go study your biology, dumbass.

Duck feathers float cause there's grease on them which make them waterproof. There's no reason down jacket can't drown even with duck feathers.

How dumb are YOU? She was found, FLOATING, carried by the down jacket ? Can't you read?

This is the third thread! I know this happens all the time but it would be nice to have all the discussion in one place for once.

Anyway here's more discussion:

Christopher Walken is gay? Or bi? This is news to me. A close friend knows him and his wife, there have never been any whispers about his sexuality and my friend knows both of them forever.

Asians ruin everything

CBS is featuring the case on 48 Hours tomorrow night (Sat.) and on a preview this morning they pointed out that the statute of limitations has run out on every possible charge now except deliberate murder. And at this point they would never be able to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt.

So, no, he will never be charged.

I wish I had the ability to make up an exciting scenario and then believe in it.

It's the American way, r65.

He did not kill her, he did not ignore her. They were all shitfaced (alcohol) and had been drinking all day- sited on Catalina Island for lunch, heard shouting on the boat etc. Everyone was passed out and Natalie in an alcohol induced snit and she fell and she drowned and the others were too drunk or passed out to help her. What this really is, is a cautionary tale about the risks of alcohol abuse. Wagner knows if, Walken knows it- and Wood was the victim of it all. They have to live with it. By all accounts, sober, Wagner adored her as almost everyone who knew her did.

Walken was in the dance chorus of Baker Street with Tommy Tune.

He's as straight as a drive along the Amalfi coast.

The boat captain needs money. Natalie I think was Jew? She was immigrant like rj . Wish peeps would admit John Wayne was gay.

Walken may be gay, but if he is he is one hell of a discreet celeb.

Mick Jagger was always half way out of closet but how many think of him as gay. Why did nat wood hang with gays? I guess Wagner was hot enough where u ignore he is gay. Shirley Jones also went for gay men. Odd

What famous guy would be stupid to kill his famous wife? Unbelievable. Case closed

A biography of her said after she was raped she tended toward bi and gay men because she felt safer with them. At a very young age she became enamored with Raymond Burr. RJ was bi.

Natalie wasn't jewish you imbecile, she was russian aristocrat

R73 seems to know a lot.

[quote]Don't you have a heart?

Dunno, can you give me a general idea of where to start looking?

Please don't say the kitchen.

Sad.

This thread got weird.

No one except for Wood, Walken and Wagner knew what really transpired on the boot that night.

R79 Or on the slingback dancing slipper.

Jews hate Russian aristocrats, which is why she got raped by an angry Jew.

The Myth of Jewish Rationality.

Why is Courtney Wagner not hot? Product of Wagner and Natalie wood. Wood might not b good looking but she had sexual charisma. Being famous makes you hot, I guess.

R37, what else is there to do before we die?

R83 Adopt 20 orphans from wartorn countries, like Mia Farrow did.

You're young....

here

Wagner got the worst of her father, she looks nothing like Nat.

The skipper R79.

R42, after all, Christopher's last name IS Walkin.

[quote] R86 Wagner got the worst of her father, she looks nothing like Nat.

Well, she drinks like her.

Is Das Boot the story of this sordid mess?

It's all like a bad Natalie Wood movie....

[quote]No one except for Wood, Walken and Wagner knew what really transpired on the boot that night.

Oh, I don't know, the captain who was also onboard and the people on the boats anchored near them who heard the fighting and her screams, and later received death threats, probably heard enough to get a general idea.

R91: A+

What famous person would be stupid enough to kill their spouse?

Well there's OJ, Robert Blake, Lana Turner, William Shatner...

What has Walken said about all this?

The very young, the very beautiful, the very talen...,well let's forget that one, Wagner was mentored by Clifton Webb.

And we all know what a generous charitable altruistic man that homely bitter snarky sarcastic arrogant aging queen was. He did everything out of the goodness of his undoubtedly kind heart. Because that's the way things work in Hollywood,

R94, Walken voluntarily went in for a police interview but claimed he had been too drunk to remember anything that had happened. The police said he had been cooperative and have never said they considered him a suspect or a POI. I don't think he has ever spoken publicly about it (open to correction).

R69 She wasn't Jewish. She was Russian ethnically and Russian Orthodox in terms of religion.

R93 Robert Blake probably hired a hitman to kill Bonnie Blake. Lana did do it. What a bitch?!;) He was so hot. William Shatner didn't drown anyone. His ex-wife wasn't such a good swimmer.........

R81 No wienie-brain. Kirk just wanted some . Kirk's second wife is a so-called Aryan German. Did he have a perverse desire to marry a woman with Nazi roots? Gimme a break....

Do many Jews want the Aryan prison guard blondes.

It is not a healthy culture.

Not the Aryan Prison guard types. They want the ones that like Jews. BTW the woman who played The Nazi prison commandant in Seven Beauties was Jewish......

Three drunks on a boat, drinking into the dead of the night.

The big surprise is that only one of them went overboard and drowned.

Robert Wagner is only a 'Person of Interest' to the conspiracy mavens. The rest of us have MOVED ON.

Can someone help me out here? Why is this case suddenly being re-investigated? Has some new evidence come to light?

Lots in fact. the skipper wrote a book a few years ago, claiming he had been paid off by wagner. Since then it is slowly unravelling. Wagner admitted to fighting with Walken, breaking things, it has been established that the dinghy cannot be untied from the back. The authopsy was tampered with. The coroner resigned and admitted hiding details. Witnesses from the nearby boats came forward...want more?

I don't get what the point of declaring him a "person of interest" would be. Does anyone really think they have enough evidence charge him with murder, even if he was guilty, after all of this time?

Why does everything have to be some big conspiracy? She was drunk, fell overboard and drowned. Why is that so hard for people to believe? I know it's not as exciting as the story of a movie star murdering his beautiful movie star wife and getting away with it but I haven't seen anything solid (and I do mean SOLID- not rumors and speculation) to indicate that it was anything other than a tragic accident.

I read an expanded account from ... the coroner? Can't remember. But it made sense. The report said that contrary to her supposed fear of water, Wood frequently took the dinghy to the island on her own in order to call the children. The harbor or cove was very sheltered - it's hard to imagine anyone drowning in it or not getting help if they fell overboard, but there were extenuating circumstances that night. There was a party on shore (I think it was on sure) blasting sound over the cove/harbor, which was why the "Help me" didn't really register - it was written off as more drunken stuff from the party. There's also a wind tunnel effect at times, where, if you're not careful, you can be carried out of the cove into open water very quickly. I mean, it's very difficult to kill someone or drown in that cove without that effect. The speculation is she went to retie the dinghy, the wind started carrying it away and she reached for it (wearing a heavy parka) and fell in, clinging to it. Was quickly carried out of the cove and in big trouble. She tried to get on board, hence the bruises (you go to the motor part of the dinghy and hoist yourself up backwards). She didn't succeed, and just clung to the side. She was quickly out of the community of boats anchored in the cove and out in the open. If you think about where she was found, even if he wanted to kill her, how could Wagner have done it in the cove?

Why are you queens denying the obvious murder and cover up of Natalie Wood ? This is crazy.

Because it was an accident that happened in the midst of a drinking binge- idiot

He's 87, they better put a move on.

The other day, I actually watched John Wayne walk in one of his films, no woman could have a more feminine walk but does that make him gay?

[quote] Didn’t RJ get fucked routinely by Darryl Zanuck back in the early 50’s? How else could he have had access to al those starring roles? It certainly wasn’t due to his acting ability.

That would be the first I heard about Darryl F. Zanuck screwing another dude, considering his womanizing ways were well-known throughout Hollywood and eventually cost him his studio.

For legal reasons, there is a very, very minute line between the official terms "Person of Interest" and "Suspect."

I believe he didn't walk that way off camera r110. He developed it early on thinking it gave him swagger.

Is Walken talken?

r114, see r96.

R106 once again I will explain it to you... The Captain repeatedly told law enforcement that he had tied the dingy and he had NOT tied the dingy outside her stateroom but at the back of the yacht. The BACK of the Yacht. It was Wagner that claimed it was tied outside her room. It was also Wagner that repeatedly changed his story - though this was apparently his favorite, when he could remember it.

The Captain had very informed reasons for tying the dingy to the rear rail - using 2 ropes, left end, right end in anticipation of weather that evening being an issue. Its a Captain, boat, weather thing - common sense. A Captain doesn’t want objects thumping the boat during even minor weather events.

Now it appears that with the announcement of reopening the case in 2012 witnesses have come forward. Their accounts jive with unplublished details given by the Captain. Further Wagner has again changed HIS story to indicate there was a violent fight - which the Medical examiner had determined in her autopsy.

So, new witnesses that collaborate the Captains account - which was dismissed. Wagner finally admitting to a violent altercation, as well as accounts that she had sea foam - not water in her lungs. All of which the ME has maintained from the beginning, Maybe Wagner wants to get something off his chest as his life passes by.

R111 Didn't Alice Faye leave Fox precisely because Zanuck wanted to fuck her? The whole "everyone and his monkey's uncle is gay" angle has become so overblown.

I have heard Zanuck rumours too. Considered actors like sex slaves, regardless of gender. It's a power thing, not a romantic issue

Zanuck was famous for fucking any pretty thing with a hole. Gender was not supposed to have an issue.

That's because there is no such thing, R119.

^ "not supposed to have been an issue. And he was strictly a top."

It's made TNYT.

"I don't think she got in the water by herself"

In case no one said this case is going to be on 48 Hours tonight at 9 ct

No shit, r118.

an odd coincidence is how she was quite upset with Robert Redford around this time for not casting her as the mother in Ordinary People.

And then she died the same way as Buck.

Christopher Walken is fug. Who'd want to suck him off?

He was ok looking back in his youth r126

Thanks r123. I would have missed that.

"Well there's OJ, Robert Blake, Lana Turner, William Shatner"

Turner and Shatner never killed anyone. Not everything is a conspiracy.

Yeah, I mentioned it way back in the thread, r123. I was going to post a reminder a little later. 10 ET on CBS.

[quote]R125 An odd coincidence is how she was quite upset with Robert Redford around this time for not casting her as the mother in Ordinary People. And then she died the same way as Buck.

So, Mary Tyler Moore did it?

There is only ONE explanation for this: FEBRUARY SWEEPS has begun.

Was Nat Wood a "great" actress? She kind of struck me (I was a teenager) that she was the Julia Roberts of her time. Julia Roberts always acts like Julia Roberts in every single film (somebody expressed this way better than me on another thread).

Natalie Wood struck me as kind of like that - but I must have started seeing her in the 80s. So, maybe her star power was fading around then. Ditto with Wagner. Big movie star in the 50s but ended up as TV material in middle age.

From my reading of the boat diagram upthread there was only 2 bedrooms, one of which Walken was in. Where was Wagner? Did he not share a room with Natalie? And if so, how could he not be aware of her leaving the room, unless he was totally passed out?

R133 - I would say that Wood was not a great actress but her longevity in the industry gave her presence. For me Julie Roberts is a much better actress, technically. Wood was a bigger star than Wagner in that she had higher profile films and lasted longer as a movie star.

This is so sad the show is about to start where they talk about the murder I can't hardly believe that this is taking so long for them to get to but finally there will be Justice for Natalie Wood the greatest of all screen Stars.

I meant JuliA Roberts. Sorry, Julia.

People need to move on and get a life, this was over 36 years ago, It is very doubtful that Robert Wagner had anything to do with her death, but even if he did, he is never going to be charged with anything after all this time.

R137, some things are not forgivable. DELIBERATE CRUELTY is unforgivable!

R135 Ghoulia Roberts is a much worse actress than Natalie was. Ghoulia was never as cute as Nat was in Miracle At 34th Street and Nat was never as annoying as Ghoulia was. Eric Roberts is a far better actor than that horsemouthed homewrecking shrew.

Is it true that Robert Wagner, Robert Blake and William Shatner are going to appear in a series together?

I heard they play three recent widowers whose wives all died in mysterious circumstances and they band together in their grief to try to put the past behind them.

The last thing I said to Natalie was, "I don't care if you drink, dear, just don't go overboard".

Watch his early movies, RJ has NO ASS.....there is nothing there. He had to wear butt pads to give himself something to hold up his pants.

Zanuck would have passed unless RJ offered him head....

And the last thing I said to you RJ was "YOU BITCH! YOU STOLE MY TRICK!"

Well so far the 48 Hours segment seems like it's out to bury RJ. Lana Wood certainly has alot to say.

Lana looks good. Natural. I'm sure Natalie would still be gorgeous today.

Natalie didn't age well. When she was 40 she looked 50.

Nat was a smoker and a drinker. Those people never age well.

I thought the 48 Hours episode was excellent, much better than I expected. 48 Hours and Dateline could both be excellent but rarely are.

I still think RJ is innocent. OJ and Shatner are too. Oh Whalestein and Jello Pudding Bill are as well.

I've had several friends who've worked with Walken through the years. While he'sstayed with his wife for the long-haul, he Is known to have had affairs with men and women, and problems with drugs. I heard about this as far back as when they were shooting "King of New York". I remember when he was in "Batman", he did interviews where on talk shows about how his wilder image has been largely untrue, and talked about how he jogging and being healthy, etc. It was completely comical. I love him as an actor, though. Georgeanne Walken is nobody's fool and a very tough broad..

Shatner was never tried for anything. He came home and found the wife floating in the pool and immediately called 911.

Natalie had three nominations without a win. Julia (ending stealing bitch that she is) has 4 nominations with a win. Therefore Julia > than Natalie it pains me to say.

Sorry for the typos in 151.

R153 I don't want to be cruel but wtf does an Oscar nom or win mean. They are all bought and sold. Natalie did films like West Side Story, Splendor In The Grass and Rebel Without a Clause. What did Ghoulia do? Pretty Woman, Sleeping With the Enemy and Hook(while she was on heroin). Sorry but I'll take those classic NW films over Ghoulia's rancidly awful selection of films any day week or month of the year.

r155 clearly you don't know who you are speaking to. Oscar nominations mean everything.

Greta Garbo, Cary Grant, Barbara Stanwyck, Fred Astaire, Rosalind Russell, Irene Dunne, Alfred Hitchcock, Thelma fucking Ritter......none of them won competitive Oscars.

Natalie, you were in good company.

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R151, that corresponds exactly with with things I've heard about Walken and his wife over the years. I don't know either but I am friends with people who had friends who knew them. (I know, I know....)

I've heard since the 1970s, long before Natalie's death, from people who would know that both RJ and Walken are bi. I believe the things I've heard. It's always colored my opinions about what may have happened that night.

But honestly, Wagner could have done a lot better (and younger) than Walken if he was hot for a male bedmate.

R156 Whalestein bought so many of them. The Oscars always were bought and sold but Heavy made things even more vulgar and tasteless. They are worthless. The Razzies have far more gravitas than the Oscars these days.

Oh please r161. I was well into double digit nominations totals before Harvey came along.

R93 R98

Lana never murdered her husband. You're referring to her lover Stompanto whom her daughter Cheryl allegedly fatally stabbed on Good Friday 1958.

R148

Natalie had given up smoking about 12 years before her death.

The arrogance and narcissism of Wagner as he tries to flip this around on her sister! “I have talked to everybody.” (He has refused for decades to be interviewed by Detectives - never cooperated with the investigation.) Then he flips it around and says to her “Do you know what you have done?” WTF? Classic Trump conduct, classic Narcissist.

Yeah he killed her, an innocent man would have cooperated and said “This happened, it happened like that.” Just done it. He weaseled out from the start. Not this guy. I hope the cops subpoena him via grand jury and fuck him up but good.

R162 ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz. OK ghost of John Ford whatever you say. You not only need a fashion makeover you need some medication. And RJ is innocent as well,right?

[quote]the people on the boats anchored near them who heard the fighting and her screams, and later received death threats,

I never heard about the death threats, got a link?

[quote]R133 Was Nat Wood a "great" actress?

No, she was not a remarkable actress, and was in fact quite artificial in a lot of things. But she's someone the public liked. She was not the kind of star who was about [italic]acting[/italic]...she was more the winner of a public popularity contest. She was pretty and non-threatening. And someone women liked to identify with.

[quote] I never heard about the death threats, got a link?

Pick one.

That’s not Courtney r89, that’s Natasha and Wagner isn’t her biological father. Courtney looks like her dad but I think would look much better as a brunette.

Courtney is quite fragile emotionally and has had substance abuse problems off and on since she was a teenager. Lana wasn’t that close to Natalie, but was close to Olga who is their half sister and about a decade older then Natalie. The girls stayed connected with her and she has had to do quite the balancing act as she stayed connected to Lana as well. Wagner hates Lana as well as their mother Maria.

Poor Courtney said in an interview she did around 5 years ago, that she was watching Joan Rivers fashion police and Joan made some joke about being at a pool party at Natalie woods house. Courtney and Natasha’s nanny Willy Mae died not too long ago, she became their mother figure after Natalie died.

They had several pictures of Natalie and Lana together that looked photoshopped. Lana did seem perfectly sane on 48 Hours.

R170, Loathed Joan Rivers. Nasty bitch.

I wonder if the MeToo movement in any way is spurring the reexamination of the case.

Also Marilyn Wayne who was on a neighboring boat heard a woman screaming for help and a mans voice yelling back to be quiet and that someone will come get her. Wayne’s story never changed .

Did Wagner black out and not remember all of this? It could have happened. However he is no angel in this situation. If he let her out in the water alone to spite he is culpable.

Marilyn Wayne and her story? Her husband,son and Marilyn should have helped Natalie. Their inaction led to her demise.

Was their boat close to her?

Will they go after William Shatner too?

Most of us think Lana was the one who really killed her boyfriend. People think Shatner drowned one of his wives.

Lana Wood did NOT kill her boyfriend!

I think it was Lana Turner's last husband who wrote that she had confessed to killing Stompanato herself in her bed, and the Cheryl walking into him as he was leaving her room idea was fiction created to cover for her. However Cheryl became so rebellious it's hard to believe that she wouldn't have sold out her mother eventually.

Thought I read somewhere that Turner and Wagner had a little fling in the early 50s. But then everybody was fucking everybody.

I didn't see this yet r171, but lately news stories have been taking real photos and shopping them so that the people are standing closer together than they really were, or sometimes even taking two separate photos and merging them. It's irritating.

Nat Wood could be absolutely heartbreaking, and she was the most beautiful plastic surgery free actress of the 50's/60's. She couldn't really play wildly different characters but she could be astonishing. Her portrait of the mentally troubled deanie loomis in SITG is one of the best of the genre. One of her many phobias was needles and surgery, so she looked like a beautiful woman in her forties looks like without cosmetic surgery. And considering how hard she partied all her life, she looked fantastic. See her contemporary E.T. The haggard whale in the 70's..

Wow sorry I lost my trail.

There was enormous speculation that Lana killed that Italian mug because he was physically abusing her and the daughter took the fall because she was underage, protecting her mother and then the sentence would be very light. This is entirely possible. What is not possible is that people on DL are not aware of it.

Esther Williams(I know, I know)also went on record saying this was the case. And compared to most celebrity children amazingly enough Cheryl had a pretty good relationship with her mother.

Also that Shatner story was so to speak fishy. If somebody is dead calling 911 is hardly risky.

I've never found Walken attractive but could someone post that homoerotic topless picture of him where he was barely legal with that come here rich sugar daddy look which even I finding surprising in his twink litheness. I wish I knew how to do it. It has been posted here before. This kid is totally straight? A hustler from heaven.

[quote]R184 the daughter took the fall because she was underage, protecting her mother and then the sentence would be very light. This is entirely possible.

It's not really that possible, in the natural scope of things, because even a self-obsessed movie star mom isn't going to jump at the possibility of her teen daughter going to prison for her. There would be no guarantees as to how it would turn out. Nor would a teenager usually go along with such a plan....long term. Also...it's very hard to keep secrets that long when multiple parties are involved. And I don't think any of the testimony ever wavered.

The accidental homicide played out very believably. (I call it an "accidental homicide" because Crane didn't really plan specifically to kill Mr. Stompanato, she just wanted him to stop.)

The 'kid' is the definition of 'bi'. A tramp. Likewise, who knew Walken had been attractive ? He was already worn by Annie Hall. As they say 'ridden hard and put away wet '. Wagner was a hot hot hunk. And a slut. Remember Paul Newman calling him 'baby' in the film with Bacall. And again in the race film. Who was the top ? They both scream slutty Bottom to me. Shouldn't have killed Nat though. Bad bad R.J.

Cheryl was 14 she spent only a couple of months in a school for girls, I do not believe she spent any time in prison, and that was it. It was ruled justifiable homicide.

And even it was Crane why wouldn't a mother take the fall for the kid saying that she Lana did it because she wouldn't want her daughter to go through such a trauma and have such a blot on her life. After all it was Turner who got involved with such a lowlife probably because he was hung like Porfirio.

And though it doesn't sound like it I'm a big Turner fan.

I love when people come on these threads with all the answers to mysteries and unsolved crimes, and act like it's all fact and not conjecture.

There was someone else. Nat was involved with a young blond hunk at the time.

Are you new R189? R175 Wayne and her boyfriend were on a boat moored nearby. They brushed it off as drunken behavior..

CBS is repeating part of last night's 48 hours right now.

R191 they didn't brush it off. Wayne wanted to swim to the source of the screams for help. She was dissuaded by her boyfriend because of the foul weather. When they reported to the police the next day, they were brushed off. Wayne received death threats. She has been open to the press for 35 yrs. Wagner has avoided her since then.

There is another witness. A girl who was roomate with Walken's friend. Said friend panicked when she received a phone call from a devastated Walken. Walken was crying hysterically. Said he was caught in a love triangle with Wagner/Wood. There had been foul play resulting in Wood's death.Walken's friend didn't want to repeat the details to roomate.

"Most of us think Lana was the one who really killed her boyfriend. People think Shatner drowned one of his wives."

Yeah, lots of people believe in ghosts and UFOs too. Cheryl Crane killed Stompanato. No one "takes the fall" for other people, that only happens on tv crime shows.

Why would it be covered up?

"The night this actress (long time A lister) and her hubby (probably permanent A- lister just because of his television and movie history and name) got together with this other actor (permanent A- list mostly movie actor) was the epitome of tragic. Too much booze, too much drugs, too much bottled-up hostility. She was drunk and angry. She mocked him and threatened to cuckold him, including about something she caught him doing years before which caused their split. That alone would've destroyed his career and life.

The fight was epic. The guest really did leave for bed, though he heard it all happen. As did the worker on board. The hubby was so drunk and angry, he really didn't remember it all. But according to his memories, and those of the long-silent guest, this is what happened:

Just the two of them, yelling and shoving. She retreated indoors, he went after her. When she got back outside, she demanded to be taken home - already had her coat on. She said she would call her lawyer and he can stay behind. Since the house and money were hers, she'd get the kids too. She had it with him, his cheating, and his drinking and pouting. He wasn't going to let her go at all. He actually reached to grab her when she pulled away, slipped and fell. He could've saved her right there.

That would've been easy and could've just been a spat. But he mocked her. She screamed, yelled, begged for help. He taunted her. The guest came to see what was happening and tried to help. The hubby told him she was just playing hysterics for attention - she could save herself he said. He escorted the guest back inside forcibly. She continued out there, cold, screaming - for several minutes. The worker had been yelling to her he'd help her. He banged on the hubby's door. He was told to go to bed and mind his damn business.

The three men argued. Then they realized - she wasn't screaming anymore. Hubby panicked, and they all went out to try and find her. She'd given up and was already gone. They said it happened so fast. Maybe in drunk time, but in reality? It was over 20 minutes. These three drunk men, very drunk and high. Nothing they did worked. The guest demanded to call for help or be taken home. The hubby threatened him, said he was part of it too. The hubby sat outside for hours, drinking heavily, crying. The scared, weak and stoned worker finally took him inside when he passed out.

When they awoke, they knew how deep of shit they were in. They tried to get their story straight. If one went down - they all would. The first call they placed was to wake up a legendary Hollywood attorney/fixer. He in turn called (permanent A+ list singer) who really was a friend to the actress. The hubby confessed all to him. It was the booze, the anger - he never thought she was in that much danger. He pleaded for mercy. That legendary singer/actor was angry, but he understood how it could happen. "

'The cover-up began instantly. There were tons of leaks in their story. But anytime a discrepancy popped up? The powers that be were reminded they were elected officials and stop digging because it won't bring her back. You have no idea how powerful (the A+ list singer) and his legal and illegal pals were in those days. They even had the White House, not to mention City Hall. No local yokels were gonna make waves. Besides, the hubby was so destroyed.

And he really was. He tried suicide many times. He confessed to her daughters, which nearly destroyed one of them. But they too realized that all this time later would not bring her back. But people knew the truth. They spoke. On the record. Even with varying degrees of murder or manslaughter, it's the cover up that'll get you. So no matter the final outcome of the case, even all this time, he doesn't have long to live naturally.

But that cover up? A lot of them are still around. That one long-silent guest? Not so silent. He too is up in age and cleared his conscience. Thing is - he did it in 1985. Yep. It's been on record since then. Way past time for this to come out. It's tragic for those young ladies now, but...Truth. Will. Out. Always.'

Guilty, 100 percent.

I've just finished watching the 48 Hours episode. RW refused to identify her body. Forced CW and the captain to corroborate his story. RW's continual refusal to speak with investigators. RW's continually changing his story of the events over the years.

With NW's lifetime fear of dark sea water, particularly at night, she would never think of taking a small water craft alone, let alone in stormy weather and water conditions in the middle of the night. She would never try to untie a dinghy on her own; that was the captain's job, to adjust the lines, to relocate it. Managing these responsibilities are the purpose of his being hired as the boat's captain.

R197 wins.

"A+ List Singer" = Frank

"Guilty, 100 percent."

Oh, shut up, you ass. R197 doesn't "win"; the poor soul just has a vivid imagination, that's all. If there was any REAL evidence to prove that Robert Wagner killed Natalie Wood it would have come out long, long ago. And you DO realize that 48 Hours is just a sensationalistic, lurid tv show that's only out to get ratings, don't you?

R201, YOU shut up, you Loser, Basement Dweller, Bed Wetter, Fart Sniffer, Nose Picker, Fat Ass -

He's on this very thread...

Lana Wood was recently homeless. This RJ /Natalie's death thing all she has going for her, even though she and her sister were estranged, as Natalie's daughters would attest. She spent her entire life expecting Natalie Wood to finance her, while resenting that power. She complained in her book when Natalie cut her off. Natalie had invited her to her second wedding to Wagner. Lana's boyfriend took pictures and sold them. Natalie Wood was furious. Lana played innocent "We're family, why shouldn't we share excellent pictures - it's my family too!" She, of course, never told Natalie her intentions. She pulled shit like this their entire post-starlet lives.

The Captain is also dining out on this and becoming a semi-celebrity. The fact is that cove was not a dangerous place, but when the Santa Ana winds are blowing it can be deceptive. If they weren't blowing, and Natalie had fallen into the water, she might have been able to climb back in or even grab back onto the Splendour, but the winds carried her away from the Splendour and towards open water in a matter of seconds, and she didn't have the presence of mind to ditch her every parka.

r201 = Kris Jenner

Wagner was adorably funny here on WML in 1958. Too bad he never got to show much of a sense of humor in most of his film roles.

I vote guilty!

Mart Crowley looks pretty good. I wonder if he has any relationship whatsoever with Wagner, or if he has suspicions of his own. He and Natalie were longtime friends, and she helped finance THE BOYS IN THE BAND.

I had no idea that Wagner and Walken left the island so soon and made Dennis Davern identify the body. That's so bizarre. And did they call Sinatra to send the helicopter?

On the ironically titled BBC radio program Desert Island Discs in 1977 Natalie Wood mentioned her fear of the ocean.

What kind of wood doesn't float?

Who knew that Natalie fucking Wood would end up as the Laura Palmer of 2018? So many secrets.

Everyone knew since 1981. Also, in mulholland drive, the brunette and the blonde deliberatly channel Wood and Monroe. Both Sinatra creatures. Both tragic hollywood icons. Monroe and Wood can be seen in the same shot briefly in ' scuda hoo scuda hay'. Interesting trivia. In august 1962, Peter lawford hosted a party. There was a secret private vip party inside the house, in honour of Robert Kennedy. Very few were invited. Apart from Kennedy, guests included his mistress, Marilyn Monroe, Natalie Wood and her boyfriend Warren Beatty. That same night, Monroe was found unconscious in her house, and died in the ambulance that was taking her to the hospital.

"YOU shut up, you Loser, Basement Dweller, Bed Wetter, Fart Sniffer, Nose Picker, Fat Ass."

You're insane. You also have the mentality and maturity of a maladjusted, socially shunned middle schooler. You're a pathetic retarded shit stain. So please do shut up and while you're at it, fuck off and die.

R204 apparently believes he knows more than the cops & witnesses. The delusion of www power - its real!!

LOCK HIM UP!

I'm thinking the distance of time between incident and finally getting around to solving this crime is because the establishment that protected Wagner (like friend Sinatra probably making the necessary phone calls to ease up on his buddy) is no longer there. These new detectives are a new generation. The power structure is gone and a new order is in. No one under 40 cares who or what Robert Wagner was or is. Wagner doesn't have any friends in high places anymore.

I'll be waiting for you, R.J......

[quote]The Razzies have far more gravitas than the Oscars these days.

That's easy for you to say when you never actually won one.

[quote]R204 Lana Wood was recently homeless.

Even if her former brother-in-law hates her, you'd think Lana's two nieces would help her. She's their mother's only sib, right?

What spoiled Hollywood BRATS. I guess they know what side their bread's buttered on....

Why would Sinatra save Wagner's ass? What was going on there? What does Nancy, Frank's first wife, have to say about all of this?

I recently watched MAKING THE BOYS, the documentary about Mart Crowley and the making of The Boys in the Band (play and movie). RJ was interviewed and spoke fondly of Crowley and his long friendship with Natalie. Crowley also talked about Natalie's death. If there's any tension between the two I assume RJ would not have been included in the documentary which is fascinating by the way.

"What spoiled Hollywood BRATS. I guess they know what side their bread's buttered on...."

Why the hell should they help their mother's horrible sister? All Lana Wood has ever done is try and make money off of being Natalie Wood's sister. She is indeed a money grubbing cunt.

Because she's their dead mother's SISTER. It's a family thing.

I'm sorry you didn't have that kind of unconditional love.

R161, the pompous ass, uses the word "gravitas" as if she knows what the word means. Which she doesn't.

Christ, these twats.

As with JonBenet, the true murderer will go to their grave claiming innocence - We'll never know.

Will go to his or her grave

R224 The impression I get is that Natasha,Courtney(Nat's daughters) and Kate(not her daughter but 'sister' to the other two) have taken RJ's side. Lana alienated them by taking advantage of Natalie. Not only in death but in life as well.

The girls were mere children when their mother had died; of course, they believe everything they were conditioned to believe about the circumstances of their mother's death.

R193 they ultimately decided not to pursue it that night because they thought it may have been connected to a loud party on a boat close to theirs,

Regardless...had their saintly mother lived, she would likely not want her only sister to be homeless.

All celebrities' immediate relatives depend upon them, to some extent. It comes with the territory.

I've always thought it very odd that the Wagners named their yacht The Splendor when Splendor in the Grass and its male star caused the breakup of their first marriage.

On a CBS morning show today Moe Rocca was interviewing Rex Reed about his life and suddenly asked Reed if he thought RJ killed Natalie. Reed was clearly shocked and outraged by the question and absolutely denied Wagner would murder Natalie (he was an old friend of hers).

R170

Maria died some time ago. Olga is dead too. Willy Mae was the maid, not the nanny. She'd been with Natalie for years, long before Natalie & R.J. remarried in 1972.

R233 Empress Reed denies it? Then it must be true. He has such a fabulous sense of right and wrong.

Didn't he end up with Kissinger's sloppy seconds?

R220

The girls have known for years how much R.J. dislikes Lana so why would they piss off the hand that feeds them ? Nothing new.

Lana pissed off Natalie when she was alive. At the second Wood/Wagner wedding, Lana took pictures. She sold those pictures and Natalie was pissed off at her. She also sold off all of Natalie's clothes she inherited. That pissed RJ off as well. If RJ supported Lana financially I doubt she would be acting like this. She is doing the right thing by asking questions BUT it seems as if she is doing it more for herself than for Natalie in some strange way.

R232

The marriage had was already shaky before Natalie made SPLENDOR IN THE GRASS. Natalie, also did NOT like Warren when they first met and were making the movie. Warren was engaged to Joan Collins at the time. As I recall, the movie was made in the late summer of 1960. Natalie (allegedly) caught R.J. fucking some guy around May 1961 & their separation was announced in June of 1961.

[quote]R237 The girls have known for years how much R.J. dislikes Lana so why would they piss off the hand that feeds them ? Nothing new.

My thought, too.

Nat was a total dimwit if she didn't set up completely independent trust funds for her kids, and left them at the mercy of the Empress Wagner.

[quote]R238 At the second Wood/Wagner wedding, Lana took pictures. She sold those pictures and Natalie was pissed off at her. She also sold off all of Natalie's clothes she inherited. That pissed RJ off as well. If RJ supported Lana financially I doubt she would be acting like this.

If these two had given Lana enough to have a life befitting the only sister of a huge movie star and producer, she'd never have to do those things in the first place. (Maybe Nat never got over the fact Lana had bigger tits??)

Being a tight-fisted skinflint can come back and bite you in the ass...asJR's learned.

R238

It was Lana's then husband Richard Smedley who'd taken the photos about the boat on the day of the wedding. Allegedly the mother (Maria) helped broker a deal to sell the pictures. Lana knew about it. R.J. & Natalie were furious. Natalie finally got over it and forgave Lana but R.J. would make jabs at Lana about whenever she'd come around their home over on Canon Drive.

As I recall Lana was left Natalie's wardrobe. R.J. asked to buy some of the furs for the girls to have once they matured. He paid Lana for those coats; I think it was four coats. I remember that one was a gorgeous sable full length coat. Another was the BlackLama coat that Natalie was given when she did one of those 'What Becomes A Legend Most' campaigns. Natalie in fact was buried in a mink coat. Natasha had picked out the sable one & R.J. talked her into another one which was less valuable but still quite glamorous.

Natalie had so much clothing that Lana had to rent portable clothing caddies to hold it all at her home. She then went through all of it, keeping what she wanted and yes selling off the rest of it. It was hers to do with what she wanted. She couldn't store all of it and styles change etc, what do you expect she should have done ?

"Because she's their dead mother's SISTER. It's a family thing."

So they should be nicey-nice to their mother's awful sibling just because they're related? It's a very healthy thing to avoid toxic people, even if they are a family member. I think Natalie's children are perfectly within their rights not to want anything to do with freeloading Lana, who was always trying getting "loans" from Natalie. If they let her she'd probably be sponging off her nieces, too.

Which girl got the drenched red puffy coat?

R244

The morgue, honey.

[quote]R242 Natalie finally got over it and forgave Lana [bold]but R.J. would make jabs at Lana about whenever she'd come around their home over on Canon Drive.[/bold]

Translation = bitchy queen

(Actually, Lana's lucky he didn't kill her, too!!)

And for everyone saying what a "victim" Natalie Wood was, if she'd known how to keep her man satisfied, he's never have gone after Walken, et al.

She should have been arranging MMW3-ways right in the first year of their marriage, if she knew she was marrying a bi guy!

R247

On that 48 HOURS show the other night they didn't mention the possibility of an R.J. & Walken romp but I know that' what Davern told Lana. Both R.J. and Natalie had affairs while married that second time. Very discreet short term ones. The night Natalie went missing, Wagner (allegedly) was fed up with feeling excluded from the Natalie/Christopher flirtation which was why he went after Walken to seduce him.

I agree, r231. Natalie Wood always struck me as a kind and caring woman. I don't think she would want her sister to be homeless, regardless of their differences.

R241 I think this pic is better.

She had a great pair. They were exposed in that Bond film she did. They pulled a Strei$and and cut that scene out as far as I know.

R251 Not true. Fun fact: A lot of people don't realize this. Even though the Bond films purport to be very sexual, at heart, the producers want to keep the family audience, so there has never been any actual nudity in any Bond film. Nude Playboy pictorials featuring a few Bond girls have almost always been promoted. You can see them all naked in the Playboy pics, just NOT in any of the movies!

Really sad stuff about Lana's homelessness. Her daughter has died since this story.

Quite a pair of gazongas on her. Huge areolas.

R250 I think we're getting closer to the whole root of the sibling rivalry thing, here. (Nat was quite flat chested.)

PS: Lana reminds me of Barbara Hershey, a bit.

Why didn't Wood's padded bras keep her afloat??

I can’t imagine RJ as a real villain. Maybe they had a fight that night and, inadvertently, the worst happened.

Lana had gorgeous tits and was really a beauty when younger. Nat was good looking but part of the itty bitty titty committee. Nat still got some nice cock though. She also was a better actress than Lana,though Lana had the looks of a complete sexpot. Nat was more of a girl next door type.

R257 Yes. And did Walken bottom for RJ or was that the other way around? And who blew who?

[quote]R258 Lana had gorgeous tits and was really a beauty when younger. Nat was good looking but part of the itty bitty titty committee.

A comparative study....

(It was so petty for Natalie to get all bent out of shape over this)

More (or less) of Nat's non-existant rack....

Sacrilege, but I think Lana was prettier than Natalie

R262 sentenced to death

The biggest mystery, why would either of them want to fuck Christopher Walken?

Yeah, Wagner must have been real pissed off with Natalie if he felt he had to try and seduce Walken. Maybe that's why he got so drunk, he wouldn't have been able to go through with it sober.

Really? I think Natalie is obviously prettier, though Lana is pretty. And small tits are a good thing. How many big movie stars have huge boobs? They make the whole woman seem less classy.

Ignored her pleas for help because he had some internal dialog that she was a bitch/cunt/whore. It was an accident when she fell in. It became murder when he allowed her to drown.

Will somebody please post that picture of a very young purty topless Walken looking like a 42nd Str hustler circa '70?

He got ugly really fast. Drugs?

Drink, guilt, shame, R268. He also allowed Nat to drown.

"Ignored her pleas for help because he had some internal dialog that she was a bitch/cunt/whore. It was an accident when she fell in. It became murder when he allowed her to drown."

You have no idea what happened on that boat, you idiot. It's all gossip and speculation and imagination. And it's obvious you have a very active imagination, with all your bullshit talk about "murder."

Nope, wasn't there, but I DO have a few regarding the many new details that have emerged along with a previous account by the boat captain that was widely circulated a number of years ago. Did you even read the article, R270? I doubt it.

Walken may not have been pretty but he was sexy back then.

R270, noted, Bob.

Didn’t I see a video on Datalounge of Walken dancing naked a while ago? It showed him to be majorly hung, which explains why RW or NW would want to hook up with him. Also, photos of a young CW show him to be quite attractive as a young man. I’m inclined to believe RW is guilty.....

I watch a lot of Hart to Hart and I just can't see Jonathan Hart murdering his wife. The worst I can imagine is he heard her fall over and did nothing. That's murder in my book, but the real injustice is he would have known full-well that she was terrified of water. She must have been so scared and to know you're going to die... Ugh, I can't. Here's to dying in my sleep at 95 God willing.

These two hipster dipshits went over the case. There are way better investigation shows made about Wood, but this one is fresh in my mind. I do know trust the captain at all. He was obviously in love with Wood and has his own agenda to sink R. Wagner.

Walken was asleep. I've never though differently.

I think she was out here alone.

Has this been linked in yet? A lot of replies.

Anyone have access to the naked Walken clip?

R203 is the one who wins. bahahahaha

"Lana had gorgeous tits and was really a beauty when younger.:

Her tits weren't "gorgeous." She had areolas the size of a dinner plate. Gross!

R212 None of that is true. Monroe was home all night and found dead in her bed.

Yes, she was indeed and that was a gross cover up. She died in the ambulance, was rushed back home, and they arranged the ' dramatic' discovery scene. That's why it took them hours to call the feds. When the officials arrived, the sheets had been washed, the personal papers were gone, Kennedy was far away, and the hoi polloi were served this neat little 'last phone call from a doomed beauty' tale. Same people cleaned natalie's house of all papers that would have fallen into the wrong hands. Same delay before calling authorities. Same reason. Big clean up.

R281 Conspiracy Theory.... thats all it is. Can't you admit that? It's not like you were there.

This thread is about Wood. I'm not derailing.

The naked clip was Willem Defoe not Walken

You queens are too stupid

[quote]r275 She must have been so scared

She was drunk out of her mind, so that must have offered some comfort.

"Yes, she was indeed and that was a gross cover up. She died in the ambulance, was rushed back home, and they arranged the ' dramatic' discovery scene. That's why it took them hours to call the feds. When the officials arrived, the sheets had been washed, the personal papers were gone, Kennedy was far away, and the hoi polloi were served this neat little 'last phone call from a doomed beauty' tale. Same people cleaned natalie's house of all papers that would have fallen into the wrong hands. Same delay before calling authorities. Same reason. Big clean up."

No doubt you got that pile of steaming bullshit from Anthony Summer's biography of Marilyn Monroe. Summers is a sleazy tabloid reporter. And you take what he says as gospel truth? How insane.

I think you probably also believe in Big Foot and the Loch Ness Monster and the New Jersey Devil. You also think Elvis Presley and Jim Morrison faked their own deaths are alive and well in comfortable retirement. You believe in witches and demons and mermaids and unicorns. You are, quite simply, a fucking nutcase. Cuckoo as cocoa puffs.

Not so stupid that we can’t see you’re a queen as well, r284....a bitchy one as well...

I believe in the New Jersey Devils.

Do straight men like areolas the size of dinner plates? I mean they might.

[quote]Mr Blackwell's Ghost

I loved that movie when I was a kid! Peter Ustinov was such a great actor.

[quote]R289 Do straight men like areolas the size of dinner plates? I mean they might.

I don't think they're invested in the niceties. Yet, they might enjoy variety.

Reminds me of the old joke, what kind of Wood doesn't float? Natalie Wood!

R292, that joke's so old, it laid a dinosaur egg.

Lana, come live with us.

drunk women fall down all the time=so if drunk on a boat you fall into the water

Wasn't Lana on Peyton Place back in the 60's? She was actually a pretty decent actress. I would imagine being Nat's sister didn't help her career.

RJ was also a killer in Harper.

[quote]has his own agenda to sink R. Wagner.

Poor choice of words.

Re the Vanity Fair article from several years back- did anyone else notice the reference to Frank Sinatra as a “Hollywood Fixer?”

Wagner dated Tina Sinatra - imagine Frank thought him a “mans man - taller than Sinatra and masculine handsome” everything Frank wasnt. So Wagner and Wood were a welcome part of the Rat Pack.

Reading that FS led community outrage against the ME that described William Holden as “fall down drunk” and eventually had him fired. I can certainly see R.J. going to Frank and saying “it was an accident! She gets drunk, i smacked her - it was nothing Frank! I didn’t mean to kill her.”

What was suspicious was the way the lead Detective didn’t push Wagner for an interview under controlled circumstances, and a detective only gets one pass so they have to make it a good one. Then the ME sort of overlooked all his remarks it looked like a violent fight had aoccured.

I think Sinatra had more pull in Hollywood than anyone knew, Mob connections, mob in Hollywood connections, flaunting WH connections in his youth. Then tight with Reagans - he had power at his beck and call. That the detective totally whiffed any interview pretty much says it all. Sinatra called it off.

[quote]R297 RJ was also a killer in [italic]Harper.[/italic]

LOCK HIM UP!

I think Sinatra and Wood had a flingy dingy. And Sinatra and St. John. They were all whores.

Jill St. John appeared in "Diamonds are Forever" with Lana Wood. Lana Wood's character died by...wait for it...drowning! I'm telling you - look into JSJ's whereabouts.

Still think we need to confirm Lana's alibi.

R302 Lana's character didn't die in "Diamonds Are Forever." She was tossed out of a hotel window and into a pool, but she bounced up out of the pool. She didn't drown,.

DIME'S UP!!!!!!

R304, R302 is trying to throw us off the track. I think it's Lana.

If they couldn't solve this 40 years ago, what makes anyone think it'll happen now, 40 years later? No one knows what happened to Kennedy, no one know what happened to Natalie Wood. Unless Wagner holds a press conference on his death bed announcing he dumped her overboard because he wanted to get his ass fucked by Walken, we will never know.

I cannot BELIEVE people still want to harangue over this. It happened decades ago and there is no real evidence to suggest any foul play. Get over it!

Robert Wagner's first agent was the notorious cock-hound Henry Willson, whose other clients included Rock Hudson, Tab Hunter, Guy Madison, John Saxon, Troy Donahue and a dozen or more other pretty boys. Many of these guys were at least bisexual, most were gay and closeted. Wagner was no idiot, he knew that Willson could help him like he helped Hudson and Hunter -- so I just don't buy his claim that nothing ever happened between the two. That, added to the stories about Wood divorcing him in the early sixties when she found him with a man in their bed (as noted above), suggests at least the possibility that he may have been involved with a pre-wackjob Chrissy Walken.

"Wagner dated Tina Sinatra"

Isn't she rumored to be a lez? I know he also "dated" Debbie Reynolds

R297

Watch it again. Wagner's character of Alan didn't kill anyone in HARPER.

R304

You're wrong on that one. Plenty O'Toole was killed by Wint & Kidd. They mistook her for Tiffany Case and drowned her in Tiffany's pool.

I never knew that Plenty had so many gays as fans. It proves the fact that we gays love Bond and and a big pair of tits to boot!

Very strange interaction between Natasha Gregson Wagner and Robert Wagner. This is like some bizarre Brian DePalma film with Natalie's doppelganger acting like RJ is the greatest thing since sliced bread.. It doesn't creep him out at all that Natasha is Natalie's clone. He definitely hoodwinked her into believing that he didn't do anything wrong to Natalie.

[quote]R313 I never knew that Plenty had so many gays as fans. It proves the fact that we gays love Bond and and a big pair of tits to boot!

Boobs are universally sexy to everyone. (Well, on the right person. Julie and Angela's boobs have no inherent sex appeal.) (Bo Derek's do, though!)

Yikes. That moron pap didn't even now who Natasha is. But I hate the way RJ keeps touching her, and her folded arms is a worry.

^ I meant didn't even know ...

R316, 999,999 out of 1,000,000 people wouldn't know who Natasha is. Including RJ after a few Gin Rickeys...

RJ was pissed about Lana taking some of Natalie’s clothes to consignment shops, but as pointed out earlier what was she supposed to do. Lana took them to the same places Natalie did.

Something shitty Lana did do was run up a number of Natalie’s in store charge accounts on clothes in Beverly Hills without her knowledge or permission and didn’t pay the bill. Natalie found out when she was told that she couldn’t purchase something because she was in default at the store. Natalie was furious but offered to pay for Lana’s therapy.

This article totally nails all the BS Wagner has spun over the years to hide his guilt in her death.

I think Wagner is deeply concerned her daughters will learn the brutal truth about his 3 decades of lies about their mother. In another interview his attorney even mentions this “Mr. Wagner and his daughters have no interest...” in other words he STILL is using his own kids to obscure that the truth about HIM is the issue.

While it is possible that the issue of Domestic Violence was not as recognized then as now, his behavior was stunning on its face of Calculated indifference. He had someone cover up for him - the cheesy cops that made a half hearted effort the ME that failed to do his job. Sinatra was THE Fixer in the entertainment world. There was too much hands off from people that would have been huge fans of Wood - it makes no sense.

I never trusted RJ because of those silly silk neckerchieves he wore.

[quote]R319 Natalie found out when she was told that she couldn’t purchase something because she was in default at the store.

White Girl Problems

R320 you think wrong. All the Wagner kids buy Wagner's tale(true or false). Unlike OJ's daughter who knows that Orange Juice killed Nicole The Wagner Girls are clueless.

R323 Well, none of the three parents were ever noted for their intelect...

Her best days were long gone. She was filthy rich from her husband's TV production company, but I'm kind of glad I didn't see her descend into the type of desperate projects other aging actresses accept.

[quote]R321I never trusted RJ because of those silly silk neckerchieves he wore.

She was in the same age range as the actresses that hit it big in the late 60s through the 70s (Fonda, burstyn, Redgrave, Jackson, etc...) but took some major time off to raise a family as well healing herself emotionally (she had at least one suicide attempt in the 60s) . Also she was considered a part of old Hollywood and was lumped in with actors that were 15-25 years older than she was.

One rumor that went around was that she did consider an offer from playboy, but they balked when she wanted Edith head to do the costumes for the shoot.

I'm not trashing Wood, because she was by all accounts a perfectly nice person, but her superficial, "studio system" acting was not in tune with what performers were doing in the 1970s. It's doubtful there were fantastic, big film roles waiting in her future. The best she could hope for was a longrunning television series, perhaps a nightime soap when those came into fashion. Or she could have done more miniseries, like FROM HERE TO ETERNITY. For while her name wasn't super marketable in movies at the end, at least she still had name recognition for TV.

Kim Basinger costarred, in one of her early acting roles:

Kim Basinger was a real stunner back in the day, r329. It's a shame she got messed up with Alec Baldwin, their daughter can't hold a candle to her mother in the looks department.

I've grown up around boats, and was kind of shocked at the size of the "yacht". How could CW sleep during a horrible fight? Those rooms were barely walk-in closet size. You could fart and hear it all over that tiny thing.

BTW, Lana comes across as an ugly, bitter cunt. And her tits looked like udders.

Yep, if Lana ever had children I hope she didn't breastfeed, it would be like milking a dairy cow.

[quote]R330 Kim Basinger was a real stunner back in the day, [R329]. It's a shame she got messed up with Alec Baldwin, their daughter can't hold a candle to her mother in the looks department.

Honestly, she is one of the most perfectly beautiful women I have ever seen...there's something so womanly about her. And she can even sing.

I think she kind of screwed up her career at its peak because she's supposedly somewhat neurotic -- she had agoraphobia or something. I even read she would faint when she was called on to speak in class. The one thing I didn't respect her for was when she pulled out of [italic]Boxing Helena[/italic] and threw that production into famous chaos...but as she pointed out at trial, she didn't have a signed contract. So I guess her obligation was debatable. (I believe the court judged her to be at fault anyway.) I'm glad she eventually won an Oscar.

Is there a term for the facial expression Wagner always used in posed photographs? (The one with the frowny eyebrows) It's like he was so enamored with his rich and 'suave' Jonathan Hart character that he decided to never stop pulling that face and wearing silk cravats.

R334 It's kind of his "I am a Suave Gigolo" expression. He, George Hamilton and Peter Lawford should have played brothers in something. They're all a little bit icky.

But when young they were all fabulous looking.

The ick factor starts in middle age.

R336 By "icky," I mean there was always something oily about their persona, even when they were young. Something I know [italic]I[/italic] would never trust.

I mean, I'd probably have sex with them, but I'd also have been thinking, "Who the hell is this grifter, really?"

R332 Lana Wood had incredible breasts...get over it. That's what a woman's body looks like.

Maybe to you, but her tits are too big and her aureolas are the size of bread plates. Nasty.

R339 She had nice tits deary. 99 percent of gay men(even 11s on the Kinsey scale) would have loved to have squeezed them! I guess you are in the boring,fuddy duddy caftan wearing old biddy set......

Uh, I think this thread has run its course. At least until Robert Wagner or Christopher Walken make a statement.

We're on the phantom thread!

HARPER SPOILER:

R311, I was thinking that RJ was a killer in Harper because he pulls a gun on Newman at the end, when H goads him about the Julie Harris character.

[quote]R342 HARPER SPOILER: I was thinking that RJ was a killer in Harper because he pulls a gun on Newman at the end, when H goads him about the Julie Harris character.

I doubt anyone could ever be moved to violence over Julie Harris.

God DAMN it! Meant to attach THIS image:

Well nobody would go to war over Julie Andrews.

I think RW was a wife beater and probably killed her that night.

No matter what, nothing is going to happen to him now. Is this just showboating on the behalf of the authorities involved? He's nearly ninety years of age, they're definitely not going to charge him with anything regarding Natalie's death so what's the point.

Exactly, this is going nowhere and a new generation of detectives are blowing money on trips to HI? Unless they could charge someone with first degree murder, statue of limitations has run out on everything else.

Wagner and Walken were gay. any police investigation would identify them as gay because that is a major fact in such a murder case. Any court case would publicly reveal that they are gay . Unibomber was gay,though.thatbwas hidden

Quit drinking so early, you retard.

R325

You must mean her best days in front of a camera.

Natalie Wood deserves justice for at least one of the horrible things that happened to her.

Fiddle de de, you all work this one out while I fan myself !

Hollywood would never allow this case to proceed because it would expose to major Stas as gay.

Unibomber is trans

Unibomber tried to convince his brother never to date . Brother said unibomber was so selfish that he expected him to forsake females because unibomber didn't like them.

I just started watching Hart to Hart again on Hallmark Movies and Mysteries. Hard to believe it's been nearly 40 years since that show first went on the air.

R290 Thanks for the recognition. I like that one as well but I'm another Blackwell's Ghost. You know the cunty,bitchy,faggy fashion man who called out all the fashion disasters.Oh I was also in a thrupple with Cary Grant and Randolph Scott.

R358 are you a 10?

No I'm an 11.

R359, I'd say 8. Why do you ask?

Happy Birthday to Robert Wagner, 88 years young!

So, so young.

R361 You are not R358 you lying sack of shit. Little worms like you should be put away with RJ !

That honky in jail yet?

He is 88, there is no chance of him going anywhere but to Jesus at this point.

He's already reserved his place in the green cemetary of Aspen

Soon he'll be with Clifton and Mabel.

Sad.

Bitches can you believe that CHRISTOPHER FUCKING WALKEN will be presenting tomorrow night ???? I mean, they do it on purpose, right ?

Any new news?

Funny, I was thinking about this just last night ... they'll never close the case, and even after Wagner is dead, they will drudge up this poor woman's corpse for a special 48 Hours episode when nothing else is going on in the world, just like they've done since she died.

He’s guilty.

Maybe he blocked it out like on soap operas.

Will he be buried next to Natalie or does he and Jill have their own plots somewhere?

R375 they should throw him in same dark waters that Natalie died in and he can drown.

Robert Wagner didn't kill her. Geez, it's been nearly 40 years, move on!

R377 hmmmm

I can't see Wagner (deliberately) murdering her BUT I've heard from some who knew him that he was big drinker; to the point of not remembering everything from the night before. Is it possible that he was so raging drunk that in his anger he did do something and then honest to god does not recall it ?

Most of those who knew the couple do not believe him guilty. I will tell you though that if you go over to Avalon you'll see lots of memorabilia about the case and that the general consensus is that he's guilty as sin.

R379 drunk or not - he is a murderer!

Oh wait... here’s the truth!

Wagner and Jill have secured burial in a green cemetary near their home in Aspen. So no marker/headsone.

hmmmm....