Let's talk about Roy Cohn

let's not

let us not even allow 1 thought about him in our minds.....shit

too late

I am so glad people don't realize he's my brother

Angels In America is hard to compete with.

But his relationship with Trump might renew interest.

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[quote]Why has there never been a comprehensive biopic of this guys, from his younger years to his deathbed denial that he had AIDS?

Even though Angels in America isn't a biography of Cohn, it gets right to the heart of him.

"Reptilian, brilliant, sociopath, self-loathing homosexual, self-loathing Jew... ruined countless lives"

Can you imagine how at-home he would have felt on DL? Too bad he didn't live to see it.

Carla Bruni slept with trump?! What was she thinking??

I was thinking the same recently. There is a 2 part tv show biography of DT that came out about a year ago. I can't remember who did it. Frontline? I dunno. I am old. Maybe it was a podcast even. Anyhoo, they really go into the Cohn Trump mentoring, and the tricks he taught him. Shameless public lying - "I am always the winner." So if you lose, you never concede that, you just twist it any old way into "I win". They showed how Trump did this in his business bankruptcies for example and his 100% dedication to building his image as a billionaire successful business man. (not a billionaire, not successful, not a businessman.).

I told this story here before, but here goes.

In the unauthorized biography about him the author tells the story about Roy having a meeting with some clients while driving in his limo. The clients were in the back seat and Roy was in the front seat.

He had contracted a case of anal warts and the cream the doctor prescribed burned like hell, so Roy had his pants down around his knees with his ass pointing at the car AC vents which were on full blast.

All while talking to his clients.

Stephen Miller looks just like him and is apparently cultivating the resemblance, emphasizing the ‘hooded eyelids’ glare, plus the aggressive talking style. That’s probably how he ended up being Trump’s Wormtongue.

Well, Miller does have everything OP describes about Cohn down, except the brilliance.

Carla has stated she never slept with Trump and I believe her. That “news” was a result of Trump floating rumors to the media in the early 1990s about him being with many beautiful women and hoping some of them would be believed and stick.

DooDoo CaCa ^^^^

Nathan Lane was interviewed on some NPR show, "On Point" or "All Things Consdiered" recently, and had an interesting take on Cohn and playing him. Whatever horrible things Cohn did in his life, and there were many, Cohn was essentially right about many of the people he and McCarthy were investigating in the 50s. Many of them were underground Communists, like Owen Lattimore, many of them were passing information to the Soviets, as came out when Soviet archives were briefly opened. (My opinion, not Lane's.)

R14 yes there were commies in government, but there was little evidence that ANYONE was attempting a coup. After the Great Depression, and then WWII, communism became attractive to some people who were hit by the excesses of capitalism and then felted buoyed by the success of the labor movement. Many, however, did become disillusioned when Russia became a fascist country rather than a communist haven.

Of course the rich capitalists were threatened by communism and clamped down on any hint of it in the US. We've fought numerous wars and lost thousands of Americans because the rich wanted to be sure their wealth wasn't threatened.

What everybody else said - "Angels in America" is the Roy Cohn story.

As I dimly recall Mr. Rosenberg turned out to be passing secrets and Mrs. Rosenberg did not, yes?

R15 nice try. The goal of Communism by definition is a coup. "World revolution by any means". It's not inside baseball, it's very well known. The Rosenbergs, Klaus Fuchs, Harry Gold, Morton Sobell, Harry Dexter White, Robert Oppenheimer, Alger Hiss, Earl Browder, Walter Duranty, Whiittaker Chambers and Louis Budenz (before they recented) -- the list of spies and plotters and propagandists goes on and on.

I can play him in the biopic. Was he physically abused as a child? I came make almost anyone sympathetic.

Actually R14 and 15, most hauled before McCarthy's hearings had little of nothing to do with communism. Thousands or live ruined. Oh and, there is the little matter that being a member of the American Communist party at any time in the 20th Century was and is not against the law. Duh.

I "met" Roy Cohn a number of times over many years. I knew guys (young attorneys) who "worked" for him, "owned" his homes. My father ran up against him and squashed him describing him as a having only local influence as a mafia rep, never the power to run up against corporate interest when threatened by his actions.

He was the most disgusting man I think I ever met, ever knew, even if only slightly. When I first met him in my early 20s before I knew all about him, I practically recoiled. I have never understood how anyone wanted to spend 10 seconds with him. Trump makes much more sense when you know Cohn was one of his mentors.

Did he eat my pussy? I wish I could remember...

Not bad looking in '51, but he seems too sneery, and he has darting "gay eyes".

TTrump's mentor and homosexual lover!

He deserves death with a reputation to match his soul - opportunistic leech, breeder of evil in the world, patron to neo racists. No media, no story no nothing. Roger Stone needs to die like that too. Agreed Stephen Miller is trying to imitate him as some sort of Svengali to the stupid money launderer and Russian Mob bootlick. Cant someone in here seduce the little self loathing closet case and fuck up his head in such a way he doesnt want to live??

Interesting reads in this thread. Thanks.

So very, very sleazy. Cohn entered the hospital room of a man who was not to be disturbed, put a pen in the unresponsive man's hand, and used that hand to sign a codicil to the unresponsive patient's will. Also committed bankruptcy fraud and pressured a client to lend him money, which he never returned. And Ann Coulter was outraged that he was disbarred when he was nearing death.

Regarding Ethel Rosenberg: Ethel's brother, David Greenglass admitted that he had lied about his sister being part of the conspiracy. It was his wife, Mrs. Greenglass, who was the other participant, but he lied to save her because she was the mother of his children.

Trump & Cohn were lovers until Cohn got sick with AIDS.

[quote] Miller does have everything

Except for AIDS (but one can always hope...)

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roy cohn conspiacy stuff

Months after the scandal had died down, and a few weeks before Spence was found in a room of the Boston Ritz-Carlton Hotel, he was asked who had given him the "key" to the White House. Michael Hedges and Jerry Seper of The Washington Times reported that "Mr. Spence hinted the tours were arranged by 'top level' persons", including Donald Gregg, national security adviser to Vice President George H. W. Bush at the time the tours were given

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We know what it says about Trump, but what does it say about Walters that she kept Cohn as a lifelong friend? Was she going to sue Gilda Radner for making fun of her (Baba Wawa)?

Trump dropped Cohn like a hot potato when the AIDS whispers started (though he did appear in the back of the room at the funeral- probably to make sure he was dead).

Cohn said of Trump "he pisses ice water". Can you believe? Reptilian sociopath Cohn said that. About Trump.

Is Donald Trump Gay?

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A biopic called "Citizen Cohn," starring James Woods, aired in 1992

Donald Trump at Kate Moss

AND Kate Moss

Does Ann Coulter post to DL? She's the only person I know with the balls to try and rehabilitate Cohn's reputation.

I’ll never forget that scene in Angels in America, where Cohen’s physician tells him he has anal warts, and recommended that he start using condoms while having anal sex, and Cohn, who was played PERFECTLY by Al Pacino, tells him that he has never had anal sex, and that he’s not gay.

And this describes Trump PERFECTLY. No matter what anyone says, no matter if the truth is staring you right in the face, or staring you in your asshole, just lie, and deny, deny, deny. Medical proof, diagnostic tests, anal warts, DOES NOT MEAN I’M GAY!

Cohn denied being a gay man all the way to the grave. He taught Trump well.

Cohn was a disgusting human being. I hope he suffered when he died.

Also, Cohn spent lots of time with America’s greatest pedo ever, J. Edgar Hoover. As a matter of fact, Cohn learned all of his dirtiest tricks from his Hoover association.

[quote]Why has there never been a comprehensive biopic of this guys, from his younger years to his deathbed denial that he had AIDS?

He doesn't deserve one. Let his memory rot away to nothing, like his corpse.

Roy Cohn?

Typical Jew.

Roy Cohn was Donald Trumps boyfriend!

"Also, Cohn spent lots of time with America’s greatest pedo ever, J. Edgar Hoover."

Did you just pull that one out of your ass, Poo-psie?

Meanwhile, I agree with the poster who asked if Coulter was posting: it takes some brain-washed right-wing nutjob pig-headedness to even suggest the McCarthy hearings were even remotely justified.

As for Cohn/Trump the have this in common: know that whatever you imagine to be their worst moment, they have yet to have their worst moment. Until the day they die and can't do any more harm.

R39 you are incorrect. Not only Coulter but Milos and ANY of his ilk - including fascist Bannonites.

R33 Nykers know that Shitolini shows up wherever there is: a) Camera b)Bigger celebrity than him where photographers will be in attendance C) like that evil prick Rudy Guliani he will even show up with the Gays as long as there is a Camera.

So no, it is not “The Gays” that is the common denominator - it is the C A M E R A. Plus Anal Wart One taught him to never pay his bills, so He would show up for him.

“As for Cohn/Trump the have this in common: know that whatever you imagine to be their worst moment, they have yet to have their worst moment. Until the day they die and can't do any more harm.”

Wow R46 that really says it all.... perfect I might have to use it. In fact it needs to be an anti trump/anti GOP slogan for the #Resistance.

“The polestar of human evil,” as one character describes him. “The worst human being who ever lived … the most evil, twisted, vicious bastard ever to snort coke at Studio 54.”

One incredibly homely jew

R25, I thought that there are intercepted Soviet communications that show that Ethel Rosenberg was an unwilling participant in the conspiracy, that she was doing the minimum to help her husband, but she really didn't want to be involved. There certainly were no grounds for executing her.

It is very clear:

Roy Cohn - Stephen Miller. Separated at Birth........... Disgusting racists, closeted homos, VILE HUMAN BEINGS

r52 no.

There's not really a "doing the minimum" regarding deliberately and knowingly engaging in espionage. She was involved, and knew that he was a Soviet (Russian) spy. What Julius Rosenberg did do was use her in a "need to know" way, i.e. he didn't tell her details of his spying, so she couldn't reveal them to anyone. (Not necessarily the authorities, but anything that she might let slip to another civilian) It's Spying 101.

Under the law, and with the evidence all four should have been executed. If you want to make a moral case for anyone of those spies mentioned upthread (except Oppenheimer, who was just an arrogant smart ass who made too many enemies) Klaus Fuchs would be a much better candidate.

R51 picture of an anal wart.

Oppenheimer a spy, r54? Explain please.

I can’t tbink of anyone in history as evil. Not even Trump.

R36 forgot about that bio, never saw it. But that’s as good type casting as you can get.

So many here are like Roy Cohn.

r56 Oppenheimer had two partners, immediate family & friends/colleagues who were members of the Communist Party in the 1930s. One colleague actually approached him about spying for the then Soviet Union. He turned him down, but didn't report the man to the government.

NTS, this caused problems with the military and civilian brass who oversaw the Manhattan Project. (They had Oppenheimer under surveillance anyway because of his leftist opinions alone, and also because the closet case FBI prick bugged anyone left of centre for his own political capital.)

The Project's military commander, General Groves, had an uncanny ability to understand the eccentric personalities of elite scientists (especially for a conservative military man). He knew many academics were leftists, had a 'fuck you' anti-authority streak, and were politically clueless, generally and in the 'office politics' way. He sized up Oppenheimer as a genius prick with a sharp tongue, but nevertheless a loyal American. He decided his value outweighed any Communist associations, and he knew the FBI's blanket surveillance would catch anyone dangerous around him.

Others disagreed, and thought it was not unreasonable to consider him a potential national security threat. Some even thought he might have actually passed information to his friend as some point, but didn't have concrete theories or confirmation from other sources.

He famously lost his government security clearance after the war--although by then, it was a political, careerist move by his enemies as well as a genuine national security concern. The most reasonable opposition to him re: his past was that he was very against some aspects of nuclear weaponry, and it was felt that he might leak info to the Soviets out of a philosophical idealism, similar to Klaus Fuchs.

Of course, antisemitism also reared its ugly head--the trope was that Jews were not 'real' Americans and at the end of the day, they can't be trusted.

When the KGB archives were opened decades later, Groves' assessment was proved correct--something that could not be said for other Leftist martyrs, like the Rosenbergs.

R9, wonder what people driving by or riding in cabs thought when they saw that.

Was Liberace a vampire?

Who would want to watch a movie about an irredeemable closeted sleaze? The closest thing to a happy ending it could have would be to show him die.

Manhattan is filled with assholes like Trump and Cohn.

What strikes me as interesting and even humorous about Trump, is that this man has always surrounded himself with Jews. I’d wager to say that Trump is much closer to the Jewish community, than people outside of NY know. Trump ONLY trust Jews, with his cash, his properties, his legal stuf. All handled by Jews. And by the way, there’s obviously nothing wrong with having close business associates and friends who are Jews, but I don’t understand how these neo-Nazi cunts, decided to crown DJT as their mascot.

Do these people not understand that DJT is in reality, away from DC, and politics, in essence, a liberal Jew??? Everyone from NYC knows this. This is not some bullshit conspiracy theory. How did these antisemites end up embracing a man, who is more of everything that they claim to hate, than what they claim to admire?

Yeah, how do these Jewish associates of Trump feel about his Nazi leanings?

R63 yeah I know. Plus there always used to be rumors that Trump really was Jewish

They hate blacks and Mexicans more on account melanin and Jesus's magical landing strip in Israel.

r59, even Nixon said Oppenheimer was a loyal American. O lost his clearance because some political enemies disliked his reservations about the hydrogen bomb. 66 replies, and nobody has mentioned Cohn's representing Ross Perot and Ari Onassis. I have often heard the story that Ari hired Cohn to represent him in his divorce from Jackie, but Ari signed out before it happened, needless to say.

Thanks r59.

R56

R63, I don’t think you understand anti Semitism and Donald Trump’s relationship with Jews or any minority including illegal immigrants. He certainly is NOT close to being the classic NYC Jewish liberal.

Southerners worked with blacks R63. Get it?

I am born NYer, been disgusted by Trump for years and as per a post some time back I met Roy Cohn a couple times, my father ran up against him, and have been disgusted by Trump for decades. Cohn by the way despised Jews in the same manner he despised gay men- ditto Trump- but boy did and do both “use” them. Vile humans these two.

[quote] Still, he had friends, relationships (dated Barbara Walters once),

He claimed he was engaged to her, lol

Cohn would’ve gotten nowhere if we didn’t have a completely corrupt country. On all levels.

I had forgotten about Barbara's relationship with that weasel. Suddenly I don't give a shit about BW's sad, last days.

Barbara Walters has never been a fan of gay people.

Yes, if BW’s “friendship” with this demon doesn’t tell me everything I need to know about her, well, then there you go. I’ve never really liked her anyway, but the fact that she palled around with him is reprehensible.

r67 he lost his clearance because he was a liability to the liberals. With the H-bomb debate becoming political, and more technical unknowns, he shot the doves in the foot by his actions and by being an elitist prick.

Bottom line, he was approached by friend to spy for the USSR, and while he declined, he did not report the man-- during a world war, while he was at Los Alamos. This was well-known in military and civilian circles, and could easily be used to discredit him, and it was. There was no way he could continue in atomic policy circles with that hanging over his head. That would not play on Main Street in the 1950s, and even the moderates knew it. IIRC, one of the senior scientists (Rabi, I think) said words to that effect.

He was also a blackmail target for scumbags like Cohn & Hoover over his affairs (with Communists).

I think a lot of people view him through a simplistic, anachronistic lens.

Do you think Baba Wawa ever rubbed ointment on Roy's anal warts?

Thanks r75. I would add that O's daughter was up for a security clearance. She couldn't handle it and committed suicide. I know the feeling.

[quote] Yes, if BW’s “friendship” with this demon doesn’t tell me everything I need to know about her, well, then there you go.

Wait.....did you really not know that Barbara’s father was a mobbed up nightclub owner?

Sid Walters. Ran El Morocco.

Looks as if young Donnie was boy-toy to Roy.