Bath house has the flu in it

You could also get it from riding the bus. Get a flu shot and get on with it.

I had the flu shot but it's only 10-30% effective.

I don't take public transportation either. I only work out in the gym in my building cuz the regular gym is like a petri dish. Steamworks is a Petri dish, but I bring hibiclens and listerine, alcohol wipes, etc... (condoms, obviously). I take a silkwood shower when I come home, and I clean out all of my mucous membranes (nasal wash too). I've always been ok....except when I did get the flu from hell 2 yrs ago. Every surface is covered in germs there. I need dick so bad tho right now. The apps are dead.

who goes to bath houses?????

germ city

were responsible for so much hiv spreading bak in the day

These "baths" should be all shut down, as they're a menace to public health. Find healthier outlets to get your rocks off.

People use bath houses who are sick of the games on the apps and the endless conversations that go nowhere. It's also for people who are new to a city, shy, and don't have a lot of friends / social network.

There's a lot of HIV and sex addicts there, there but I don't get fucked there 90% of the time, and if I do I use condoms. It's nearly impossible to get HIV with the proper precautions. The flu is a different story (as is gonorrhea and chlamydia - but those are treated easily)

Don't forget about syphillis, Herpes, Genital warts (HPV), cancer from said warts, either in the throat, mouth, and anus, or Giardia, Shigella, Hepatitis...... Depraved R5, and others I must say.

Bathhouses are a helluva lot cleaner than some stranger’s apartment. Or, worse, yours. Also a lot safer. Plenty of condoms and education, including on-site HIV testing.

And, no worry about letting some stranger into your home, along with God-knows-what motives.

In the last analysis, only you can maintain your own health with proper precautions. No one’s holding a gun to your head to get barebacked.

Oh for fucks sake - I know about ALL of these things r6. Can we discuss how I can get laid and not one up each other on STD fear mongering.

Imagine this - I've hooked up with over 300 guys in 20+ years and have gotten *nothing* ever. The few times it burned when I peed were negative for anything and cleared up on their own. Sorry you're too scared to leave your house and need to have sex in a full body condom.

There's no test for HPV so if I have had it, so be it. I've never had a wart or sucked off a wart. Regardless, the body kills it off most of the time. The parasites you listed are not sexually transmitted and hepatitis has a vaccine. Jesus.

The flu is the issue at hand...

(and thank you r7)

GROSS! Walking petri dishes

all my buddys dead from aids were bathhouse enthusiasts....

alas.

You can get those parasites from rimming, or getting into ass to cock to mouth stuff....You can defend your behaviour all you like, it's still gross, and I wouldn't be blogging about frequenting them, while claiming you're worried about flu! Unbelievable.

I don't rim. Ever. So, no parasites.

The flu is worse than anything in that list (that you can realistically get). Hep A and B have vaccines. C is almost impossible to transmit sexually.

In this day and age, you have to be reckless as hell to get HIV. We have condoms AND PrEP...and I don't use drugs to lower my inhibitions.

Sex isn't gross, negative nancy... the flu is, though.

R8, sounds like you've gotten laid enough! We should help you devolve further?

OP, ignore these anti-se trolls. Have fun and be safe!

No, sex isn't gross when someone has had the time to get to know their partner, and not getting it on in a fucking bathhouse. Big difference. You think this is healthy and normal, but it isn't.

R8, There is a test for hpv. You really should get your ass swabbed to check for it. Anal cancer is preventable.

I go like twice a year r15, calm down.

OP comes with more baggage than a fully loaded 747. Next!

Purell makes great lube.

Thx R16.... He needs all the help he can get, EDUCATION. NOT help getting laid, as he put it.

R16 - my internist is at Howard Brown so I'll take his advice over you, thanks. Don't practice medicine without a license on a website.

Try a VERY hot bubbling bath of Hibiclens, w/a splash of bleach while you're at it.

I use hibiclens from head to toe when I come home and wash my nose out with neilmed sinus rinse... the hibiclens stays on 10 min. Then I spray lotrimin on feet and in balls area. jock itch is the only thing you CAN catch there even though I wear flip flops.

For R16 and R20 with their bad info and condescension.

[quote]Currently, there is no HPV test recommended for men. The only approved HPV tests on the market are for screening women for cervical cancer. They are not useful for screening for HPV-related cancers or genital warts in me

But don't believe the CDC ... or doctors at Howard Brown who deal with it daily...

Eat your prep, take your vitamins, and say some prayers.

Well this thread went exactly how I predicted.

Fucking clickbait for the sex-negative nellies...

The sad thing is I still would like to get a hot hairy top daddy to fuck me (or at least, my face) at some point before the fucking SPRING. Alas... no help here.

R21,

I didn’t practice medicine on a website. I merely corrected the wrong information that you posted. You said there is no test for hpv and that is not correct.

The test is FDA-approved for the cervix and used off label for men. Many tests are used off label, but are still important and effective.

If you and your doctor don’t think you should be tested, I am not here to argue. I just wanted to tell you that you are wrong. There is a test for hpv.

People who object to the existence of bathhouses, and the likes of you whom frequent them are not "sex negative" as you say... We're happily and proudly HIV-......

You have way bigger things than flu to worry about OP

OP what is your "plan b" if the bathhouse is dead or everyone there is undesirable ? If you go to one of the bigger bathouse they are kept pretty clean. Do not let the anti sex fools on her who still jack off to JC Penny catalogs sway you .

He's gonna ring YOU R30.... You two sound as if you deserve each other

I’m pretty partnered / fairly conservative and don’t go to bathhouses. However, I don’t see what is inherently wrong about them. Do people behave differently in a bathhouse than in their bedroom? The bathhouses get blamed for the spread of hiv, but if we had Grindr in 1981, Grindr would’ve been banned. If I were single, I’d probably feel more comfortable going to a public place with a stranger than to his/my place.

I work with an HIV specialist who foes anal paps and colposcopies on men who have sex with men.

[quote]R8 Oh for fucks sake - I know about ALL of these things [R6]. Can we discuss how I can get laid and not one up each other on STD fear mongering.

We are worried about you long term, not just tonight.

Thoughts and prayers...

You can have a VERY active sex life without any STDs, and that includes bath house visits. Grindr is basically a virtual bath house, and hooking up with a stranger in a bar is not that different either. The main difference is that a bath house patron will have numerous partners that night. So, if you suck off a guy - he may have just fucked someone else's ass bareback - and then you're unfortunately "eating ass" unwillingly. You never know what kind of sloppy seconds you're getting when you find someone unless you go early and watch them come in.

The only real benefit to the bathhouse is that it is more "efficient" and there's no bs with blurry pics or people not replying, etc....though steamworks is DARK as fuck. I suppose that is deliberate given some of the unfortunate looking people in there.

Why are people acting like HIV is airborn? The only reason people got HIV in bath houses is because they let guys cum in their ass without condoms. The bath house didn't do it. The HIV infected cum did it.

OP , you prince awaits ....

OP you are clearly too much of a nervous Nellie if you are worried about the flu. You could also get it from a hookup or even your own boyfriend.

Reminds me of why I don't go anymore...

ALL BOTTOMS... face down... just want to be fucked. Gross. What ever happened to romance?

[quote]R35 ...steamworks is DARK as fuck. I suppose that is deliberate given some of the unfortunate looking people in there.

Now, I resent that!

R38 the gay world is mostly bottoms why would a bathhouse be any different.

I'll probably get flamed for saying that from all the "versatile" guys. (They can be a bottom or a power bottom)

Go to the bathhouse. Have safe sex or no sex and don't deep tongue kiss anyone. You won't get the flu hanging out at Steamworks sauna and steam room and mutually masturbating.

Yeah, I know r40 but they will ONLY accept sex in the form of dick-in-ass... nothing else. No oral. No body contact. No kissing. Just "here's my hole - stick it in". It's a huge turn off to me, and I have fucked guys here and there - never like that though.

Yeah I've noticed that too. Everyone just wants to get done, like a robot.

For those that don't get the objection: most of us don't engage in gratuitous anonymous sex w/strangers in a filthy public place. We instead either get to know our dates, have relationships, or become sexual with people we already know. It's depraved to have no stigma, or shame, and then come on here after AIDS, and winge about contracting flu. Furthermore the humblebrag about your 300 partners on an internet forum is equally as gross. I don't buy "it's for shy people" either. Shy people don't get naked and get it on with strangers! There ARE better ways. I hope all you "advocates" are VERY young, it would be your only viable excuse.

I find nothing wrong with bath houses or sex clubs for that matter - although I have had better luck at regular old bars personally. Grindr and Scruff are great for the obvious reasons and lacking for the obvious reasons. I don't know where the OP lives, but The Zone in Hollywood is amazing. I have never been once when I did not find at least a handful of sexy men (and we all had a great time with one another). I like the fact that you can do whatever you want sexually - either privately or in the open - but you don't have that whole towel, steam, bath, hot tub crap. Not all sex needs to occur around hot water (which certainly CAN become a breading ground for all sorts of bacteria and fungus, etc.). The conversation above is amusing in that we all have our own take on "hook-up"sex. I am a top and appreciate a bottom who just wants a dick in his ass and not a lot of foreplay. I just want to fuck and ass, get off, preferably get him off and then go. I do not want that type of transactional sex in my dating/romantic life - but for a horny one-time fuck, that works best for me. As for the flu - yeah it sucks. Some years I have undergone a flu shot and others I have not. While I have been fortunate in that I rarely catch the terrible flu virus - I typically caught it the years that I was vaccinated strangely enough. Anecdotally, I mega-dose Vitamin C (1000 mg per day) this time of year and that seems to be my best defense against the flu and common cold. Best of luck, OP.

Tamiflu PrEP. One 75mg capsule/day for 10 days (ideally, starting a day or two before your visit).

That said, this isn't a very efficient way to use Tamiflu. Even with good health insurance, 3 copayments per month will quickly get expensive (even moreso, if your health insurance company decides to start rejecting the refill requests unless your doctor submits a shit-ton of paperwork to convince them you genuinely NEED it). And it's ENTIRELY possible that you might end up infecting yourself with virii already in your environment (or in your body) a couple of days after you take your last dose, because Tamiflu works kind of like Truvada... it doesn't DESTROY the virii, it just screws up their ability to replicate. And like HIV with Truvada, if you stop taking antiviral meds for prevention and still have a few virii floating around in your body, you can then get infected "for real".

There's a smarter strategy -- keep a box of 10 capsules perpetually around, and begin taking it at the usual dose (one 75mg capsule twice per day) at the FIRST HINT of infection. That way, you'll only feel sick for a day or two, but you'll enjoy the same future immunity from that strain as you'd get from enduring the full infection.

I personally try to keep at least two or three boxes of Tamiflu on hand at all times, adding at least one new box per year or whenever I use a box. Remember, with Tamiflu, timing is everything... if you don't already have it handy the moment you realize you're likely to have influenza, it's probably too late to do you any good. Influenza has "inertia" -- the longer it has to replicate before you take that first dose of Tamiflu, the sicker you're ultimately going to be (and the longer you're going to feel sick). Most influenza symptoms aren't due to the virus itself, they're caused by your body's RESPONSE to the virus. The more virii that have time to replicate before you "pull the plug", the worse it's going to be.

Note: contrary to popular belief, expiration dates on stockpiled drugs aren't carved in stone... and the expiration dates printed on the label by the pharmacy (usually, 1 year from the date of dispensing) are LITERALLY bullshit. Most drugs don't suddenly become toxic or useless the day after their official expiration date. Tamiflu loses potency over time, but as far as anyone knows, has never been observed to actually become TOXIC after its expiration date. Even OLD Tamiflu is probably good enough to use for prophylaxis, and 5-7 year old Tamiflu would almost certainly be fine if you upped the dose (eg, if you had two old boxes of Tamiflu, you might want to take double the amount for the first dose or two, then take your remaining capsules every 8 hours for the next 10 days (instead of every 12 hours for 10 days) to compensate for the reduced potency.

[quote] I am a top and appreciate a bottom who just wants a dick in his ass and not a lot of foreplay.

I think that's part of it. People who are pure tops are ok with that. Being vers... I have to be turned on more to fuck someone - these guys don't even want to show their faces. I can't get into something with a face buried in a pillow (well, not to start, at least).

The gross thing is one top will go from one guy to the next and god knows what he's got on his dick or if he's using a different condom, etc... I swear it's the grossest aspect of a bath house to me - the sloppy seconds, thirds, fourths, fifths... and yes THAT is indeed how STDs spread too.

R46 have you seen this article (and other similar ones)?

Apparently Roche hid a lot of data from trials where the drug didn't work. The FDA didn't pull it off the market, but I am not sure how confident I'd be using it in general.

Relenza might be better, but there hasn't been as much of a focus on that one.

Not every frequenter of "the baths" engages in safe sex either.... I'm old enough to know.

Between this thread, and the DiMaggio rape thread I feel like I need a shower.

[quote]People use bath houses who are sick of the games on the apps and the endless conversations that go nowhere.

What happens when. we. say. things. that. aren't. true.

[quote]It's also for people who are new to a city, shy, and don't have a lot of friends / social network.

*eyeroll*

*covers eyes*

*shakes head*

You sound like one of those assholes who becomes angry when someone turns him down.

R51 I got the same idea: that and no social skills. People like him should just get a fleshjack if they're a top, a good dildo if they're a bottom, and enjoy masturbation.... Much healthier. He probably doesn't love himself enough to have the capacity to enjoy any of that.

Maybe OP is just too cheap, and won't spend any money on dates?

R48: Contrary to the article, the problem isn't that Tamiflu literally doesn't work... the problem is that Tamiflu doesn't meet the needs and expectations of most people who take it. As noted in R46, for Tamiflu to be of much real use, you have to already have it in your hands ready to take the NANOSECOND you start to feel sick. Most people don't keep their own personal stockpiles of it laying around.

Tamiflu is one of those drugs that will almost certainly become available OTC (in the US and most other countries) someday, and I believe that once the day comes that you can walk into Sam's Club & buy a jug with 100 75mg Oseltamivir tablets in it to take at will (so normal people really CAN take it daily during flu season without cost and availability being a major issue), it WILL start to have a more visible impact on flu season.

From what I understand, the main reason why it isn't ALREADY available OTC in the US is because the FDA is primarily concerned about the impact it might have on instantaneous supply and availability. Basically, the amount that can be made in any given year is still somewhat limited (it's a complex drug to manufacture), and if the FDA approved OTC sale of it & opened the floodgates, the instantaneous demand would approach 100% of available manufacturing capacity for 2-3 years... at which point demand would crash (because consumers would have more than enough on hand to last for literally YEARS). Manufactures would cut back on production to a level that could be profitably sustained, then there would end up being huge shortages the next time we had a bad flu season. By keeping it OTC, the FDA can prop up the price and keep year-to-year demand stable enough to assure adequate supplies for the next time we really, REALLY need it as a matter of life and death. (There's also the concern that if it were available OTC in bulk-sized bottles, people wouldn't reliably take it for the full 5 days... they'd take it for 2-3 days, then quit taking it early and end up breeding resistant virii).

[quote] These "baths" should be all shut down, as they're a menace to public health. Find healthier outlets to get your rocks off.

Interestingly, Henry VIII said the same thing and shut down the baths in London. Some had been in operation since Medieval times. They became associated with *prostitution* . SHOCK!

[quote]R46 Tamiflu

I think I've found my new drag name!

Correction... r54 SHOULD have said, "... by keeping it PRESCRIPTION ONLY, the FDA can prop up..."

OP could slip in a puddle of spunk, and knock some sense into his head, and stop going to the baths. No Tamiflu needed, problem solved!

R52 - how dare you suggest he masturbate!

OP Should eat Corn Flakes!!!

[quote] R55 Interestingly, Henry VIII said the same thing and shut down the baths in London.

Well, I for one wouldn't wish that on anyone's sex partner in the Renaissance Age.

Funny R59, I shall read that later!

OMG you people are ridiculous!!!! Typical late Sunday night night crowd , a bunch of unemployed , on disability or retired unattractive fuddy duddies mad that someone is having sex and likelihood of them having it is zero !!!! Buy a fleshjack and dildoe? Sweet baby Jesus you people are seriously messed up.

OP , you sound like a smart guy, go to steamworks, use caution and discretion. You need to develop some fuck buddies you can reach out to you preferably married guys . Don't listen to these frigid fools that rely on their 30 year old well worn Jeff Stryker dildo for company.

For the record I am 58 , I have sex on average 3 times a week with a HUMAN , not a silicone appliance . These sames queens getting all moral and and shit were the same ones you saw dropping quarters at the bookstore and going to bar with their ass pre-lubed with crisco to be ready for back room action.

R54 - are there people on daily Tamiflu - like chemo patients and organ transplant recipients, etc... ? It's pretty interesting. I wonder if there are fears of mutations, though. I think there have been numerous articles about tamiflu resistance already too, and that drug hasn't been out that long - but the flu mutates incredibly fast.

I think Relenza is just in the form of an inhaler, but I don't know much about the effectiveness or how long that lasts. I heard there's a tamiflu shot too - given once at symptom onset.

I also agree - the drug has to be in your house or OTC. How could anyone even drag themselves to the doctor and to the pharmacy with the flu - and by the time they do- the drug is useless.

R60, He ought to double up on graham crackers too.

What time are you thinking of going there OP?

OP which Steamworks is it ?

Not really R63, but keep telling yourself that to feel better about yourself.

Must be Chicago since he said Howard Brown

[quote] R63 OMG you people are ridiculous!!!! Typical late Sunday night night crowd...

Oh dear.

The syphilis has crossed the brain barrier!!

I hope they combine Truvada and Oseltamivir in one convenient pill for you piggies.

Yeah, I was prescribed Tamiflu when I contracted the flu-from-Hell 3 years back. I agree with the cognitive poster above who mentioned that it does little for you 2/3 days after the fact. I was sick as a dog for a good week, and hobbled into work the next week (although in misery for yet another week). The vomiting and high fever did dissipate, but the malaise and misery just trucked along for 2/2.5 weeks at least. Not fun.

Steamworks is literally across the street from one of the Howard Brown (gay health center) offices on Halsted. It's a very convenient location. And it's true they do not recommend HPV tests for men, though I'm not sure of the exact reason. I think it's because the tests are not covered by insurance because they aren't FDA approved for use on men (insurance will call them "experimental" or whatever BS like they started doing with Vitamin D recently...depending on your insurer). Anyway, what's the treatment? Are you gonna get Gardisil after having sex with 300 guys? I think the game is over by then.

[quote]R63 You need to develop some fuck buddies you can reach out to you, preferably married guys .

[italic] [bold] ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! [/bold] [/italic]

To R64:

Sick fucking puppies here. Prob all fugly bottoms gettin' their steamworks plans "firmed up"

I found the Crisco comment humorous, R63. When you use female condoms (just remove the ring, wrap it around around your dick and sove it in), it is still one Hell of a good "ass fuck" lube. I'm a top, but the butts seem to enjoy it and I sure do. It certainly is more fun that those water and silicone based sticky, rubbery, nightmare excuses for getting a hot ass wet..

Got no prob w/Crisco either.... Just don't eat it

Some horse hung guy once gave me a female condom... this was an awkward moment before he took off his pants... and i was like wtf is this? He didn't say anything. I saw his dick... flaccid... and was like oh damn... and it started getting hard and I was like oh no no no... no female condom - no male condom. That thing is not coming this way. I couldn't even suck it. Mostly the issue was girth. It wasn't that long actually.

If I didn't have the flu I would go there tonight a pull a train with every black cock in there!

my ex loved female condoms... They were quite popular for a spell..... Was kind of a drag holding it in place though.... Think it prob works better w/pussy

What if the rim goes up in the ass hole?

Could be lost forever R82, unless someone goes on a fisting expedition

You jest, r83, but this sketch (and some Loveline episodes) gave me a complex about this issue.

R77 My Cardiologist said never to use Crisco as a lube, something about the hydrogenation made it really bad for rectal tissue.

The rest of you Jesus Christ you could catch anything from anybody at anytime under any circumstance Sure you can shield yourself by being celibate and wanking to xhampster or using your various erotic appliances on yourself .

Physical contact with a man is key , No STDs here, do I play with pass around bottoms who lie face down "open for business" no of course not gonorrhea city good lord.

I loathe this swing to the right wing. amongst my peers , most of whom will die alone and nevered really lived.

Oh that's one of the few that didn't have patients with stuff stuck up their ass... hmm. oh well.

R64, yes, there ARE people who take it daily. Especially old people in nursing homes (and the people who work there).

Resistance isn't a problem caused by widespread USE, it's a problem caused by widespread INCONSISTENT use.

Influenza is like HIV -- it doesn't mutate on its own, it mutates as the direct consequence of replication errors. Stop its replication, and you stop the "mutation clock". Stop the medication that's preventing its replication (or take it at levels that aren't adequate for stopping its replication), and you simultaneously restart the mutation clock AND optimize it to favor the virii that are the least-affected by the meds that are metabolizing away.

One thing that doesn't get mentioned often because it's kind of politically incorrect and sensitive... antibiotic-resistance hasn't happened at a constant rate, or even an accelerating rate, for the past hundred years... most of the antibiotic-resistance that exists TODAY developed in a single huge surge during the late 80s and early1990s -- almost entirely due to AIDS. For about 20 years, there was the unfortunate situation where we couldn't do anything to suppress HIV, so it progressed until the patient had no immune system to speak of. At that point, pumping a patient full of antibiotics could (hopefully) keep their bacterial infections (somewhat) under control... but it generally wasn't quite good enough to actually CURE them. So they hopefully didn't die, but because they couldn't get BETTER, the bacteria infecting them rapidly developed resistance to antibiotics through natural selection.

In other words, the antibiotic-resistance that exists today isn't going away, but the rate at which NEW antibiotic resistance is developing TODAY is NOWHERE near as bad as it was during the peak of the AIDS crisis.

R84, I was making light of a bad situation.... The female condom would move around too much, and was afraid it would get sucked up my lover's butt..... Prob would take putting my hand in there to retrieve it. I never cared for them. I'd like to know the cardiologist was so knowledgeable about crisco & rectal tissue!

R88 my cardiologist is gay, in fact I ran into him at the baths one time lol

Was there a study done that he read about in a medical journal, or his own empirical evidence? Just curious

apparently so , surrounding colon cancer,

Interesting. Dermatologists still tell some patients who are very sensitive to use it on exema and psoriasis rather than petroleum preparations. I know they recently switched their formula from partially-hydrogenated to fully hydrogenated as that is healthier. I'll be sure not to fuck around with it anymore.

Just to add... the exact amount of protection it provides is still unquantified, but there's general agreement now that for some as-yet unknown reason, Truvada (and other HIV meds) DOES seem to provide at least some meaningful degree of protection from herpes.

Put another way, nobody would suggest that Truvada is the BEST way to prevent a herpes infection (or even a particularly GOOD way)... but it increasingly DOES seem to be kind of a "buy one, get one free" situation... prevent HIV via PrEP, and get at least a little bit of extra herpes-resistance as a free bonus.

That said... Valtrex has been available as a generic for years. Taking Valtrex to prevent herpes doesn't get as much attention as PrEP for HIV-prevention, but it's a real thing. In particular, if you're in a relationship (or at least, having sex with on a regular basis) someone who has herpes, getting a prescription for generic Valtrex should be fairly easy now (Brand-name Valtrex was really, REALLY expensive... like, a thousand dollars per month).

Likewise, if you've been infected by syphilis & don't realize it, but (like most Americans) end up taking a full course of some popular antibiotic like cephalosporin or levaquin for some other random infection, chances are pretty good that it'll knock out the syphilis too. That's a major reason why syphilis isn't nearly as common now as it used to be... twenty-five years ago, it was relatively rare to go to the doctor with something like strep or low-grade pneumonia and walk out with something like Velosef (unless you were in college and went to the campus health center, where they handed it out like candy to try and keep you from infecting everyone in your dorm). Now, it's the norm... so infections like syphilis now often get cured as a serendipitous side-effect of curing something more visible.

Maybe he extrapolated from what we know of hydrogenated fats and their interaction with the cells in the GI tract?

lmao at running into your cardiologist in the baths ...

Most insurance will slap a quantity limit on something like tamiflu - or at least question why it's getting refilled.

They're replacing hydrogenated fats with palm oil now which isn't much better in a lot of ways.

Getting the flu is not based on direct Infection. Pretty sure a study showed that if It’s going around, 100% of people will Be exposed to the virus (like in a workplace) and those who become infected are sick because of their body’s individual response.

Why is gonorrhea on its last viable antibiotic r87? Is it the same reason? It seems like that all happened in the 90s, though... like originally tetracycline would kill it- then that was over - then doxy, then zithromax, then cipro - then literally nothing except ceftriaxone.

And no I never had it - but I have had UTIs so I end up treating them the same.

That's interesting r95. It is aerosolized everywhere from one sneeze or cough (from someone who is on day 1 - not symptomatic yet, but contagious), so it makes sense.

[quote]Sick fucking puppies here. Prob all fugly bottoms gettin' their steamworks plans "firmed up"

Well, I can't say I approve of your language...but it's all ghastly. Just [italic]ghastly.[/italic]

[quote] R85 My Cardiologist said never to use Crisco as a lube, something about the hydrogenation made it really bad for rectal tissue.

Good Lord in Heaven....!

There is drug resistant Syphillis, and XDR Syphillis.... There is a poster in my Doc's clinic, and there were adverts /pub service posters on busses a few yrs ago too.

I stocked up on the old Crisco before the change because DH likes his Chicken Piccata without any of that "oil" taste. Crisco is delightfully light and doesn't ruin the flavor of your dish. You can use it in mashed potatoes too - and just tell everyone you used butter!

I'm glad I haven't lived in the states long, if all of you really have been exposed to Syphillis at some point in your lives.

R100, you buy the "butter flavour" variety?

I wouldn't consider 88,000 cases a year to amount to the entire population r101.... but unfortunately 80% of them are "MSM" (men who have sex with men).

I still don't know how people don't notice the "chancre" - i've seen pics of it and it seems like something you wouldn't want to put in your mouth exactly...

I don't eat ass, so never bothered w/butter flavour!

Drug-resistant syphilis exists, but it's NOWHERE near as common of a problem as the hysteria makes it out to be.

The big issue with syphilis is azithromycin... it was an awesome, convenient drug that STD clinics used to LOVE. A minimally-skilled staffer could hand out Z-packs like candy after the doctor rubber-stamped their prescription, and you officially had to take it for only a few days. The problem is, those short-courses were GROSSLY oversold by the manufacturer, and left HUGE numbers of people not-quite-cured after their first course. So they'd take it for a few days, run out, call the clinic, and be told that "it keeps working for a few days after you take the last one". So they'd wait a few more days, and eventually end up going back to the clinic a week or two later (once it became obvious that it wasn't getting better... and was in fact getting WORSE). Because antibiotics in a particular family are similar to others in that family, bacteria that becomes resistant to ONE antibiotic ends up becoming resistant to EVERY similar antibiotic in the same family. So now, STD clinics have to treat gonorrhea with more expensive antibiotics and/or injectable antibiotics (which requires an actual nurse or doctor, as opposed to a much cheaper staffer).

R103, I was speaking to R93's comment/claim..... Did sound a bit incredulous.

[quote]Bath house has the flu in it

and

R105, certain cities claim (ed) to have a problem. New York & Chcago I know of for sure. A friend told me Puerto Rico, espnSan Juan too.

One of many articles in credible research journals claiming that tenofovir (one of the 2 drugs in Truvada) is useful for HSV prevention.

[quote]R88 The female condom would move around too much, and was afraid it would get sucked up my lover's butt.....

Poor thing.

Do you [italic]blame[/italic] it??

shocked that people actually defend going to nasty old bathouses.

bizarro

Agreed R111

ive a friend who gets gono and parasites often from the baths

but keeps goin

u cant reason with some folks. repeated exposure to such germs weakens the immune system greatly.

why is he getting parasites? Eating unclean ass? When there's poo in there, he still goes in?

Anyone who gets infected with anything at the baths isn’t taking basic precautions and would end up with the same outcomes no matter where they find their sex partners. With the exception of a few random years here and there, I’ve been going to baths regularly since 1986 and I’ve never caught any STD. Colds and flu? Yes, I’m sure some came from my baths habit. I’m a top and I’ve never fucked at the baths without a condom. On the other hand, I’ve also never given or received oral with a condom at the baths. Given the 1000’s of contacts I’ve had in this setting, that tells you the low risk level we’re talking about here. I should add that I do STD screenings regularly.

You can't get an STD sucking hot toes.