National Union of Students LGBT+ campaign accuses Student Pride of being run by 'cis white gay men' as the groups cut ties

DL catnip. Go girls!

LGB only

Drop the rest!

So it finally happened.

Gay guys got thrown out of the gay rights org...

We're here We're Cis Get used to it

Tweet :

It's mutating; "Privileged cis-gay white males" are now oppressing hetero "queers" because "they're gender identity lines up with the sex they were *assigned* at birth".

[quote] Noorulann Shahid added that Student Pride is “unrepresentative”, as “most of their ‘board’ is cis white gay men”.

The NUS Officer who represents LGBT+ students nationwide has said she sympathises with the Taliban, and calls their mistreatment as “insulting and disgusting”.

In a blog post uncovered by Heat Street, Noorulann Shahid, who prefers to be referred to as ‘they’, argues this is ‘not because I sympathise with the Taliban, but because they are Muslims’.

Shahid, described on their Twitter profile as a “Muslim, Feminist, Desi, Queer, Disabled, Trans (they/them)” is a close ally of current NUS President Malia Bouattia.

Noorulann Shahid aka Donald aka Conman:

sicker and sicker

What college is this?

It represents the UK

LOL. Noorulann Shahid. They's a piece ofwork.

Don't don't each college's gay club decide what activities it does? It's not some higher up that dictates what every college needs to do.

You will all burn in hell.

#Trannypanic...oh wait!

Of course, trannies and their enablers are nowhere to be seen here defending this

Trans is indefensible on any grounds and is anti-feminist, anti-gay, and just plain anti-human.

#peaktrans

Remember a few months ago when the LGBT student association at Georgia Tech elected a mentally ill tranny and he brought the police to the campus for a deadly shoot out?

In the past few years, the NUS has also abolished the gay men's caucus where gay male-specific issues could be raised, encouraged LGBT societies to drop the position of gay men's representative, refused to condemn ISIS on the basis that it would be "Islamophobic" (which is mentioned earlier in this thread), decided it wouldn't be inappropriate to work with Cage (a group that has strong links to Islamic extremism), no-platformed numerous lesbian speakers (TERFS), attempted to no-platform Peter Tatchell for speaking against Islam, and tried to ban drag in its venues.

Individual NUS Islamic Societies have also been allowed to get up to homophobic escapades without any kind of condemnation, and in some cases with full support. In particular, the regular appearances by numerous hate preachers who have openly advocated the killing of gays, and the recent Goldsmith's controversy in which the Islamic Society attempted to no platform Maryam Namazie and was supported in doing so by the LGBT Society and the Feminist Society, who apparently didn't realise the contradiction in supporting the censorship of someone who was speaking against homophobia and misogyny by a group that has openly, and very publicly, advocated both.

Tranny is a Y short of Tyranny

[QUOTE] Shahid, described on their Twitter profile as a “Muslim, Feminist, Desi, Queer, Disabled, Trans (they/them)”

Seriously, this is why they hate us.

Why THEY hate us? Hell, R20, this is why [bold][italic]I[/bold][/italic] hate us!

[/italic] And this is why I hate DL.

So go hang out at Huff Po r22, they push the trans agenda all day.

The feeling is mutual, r22.

NUS is infamously nutty and intolerant. It's the classic political correctness story: the circular firing squad in action.

They're pretty much a joke in the UK

[quote]So go hang out at Huff Po [R22], they push the trans agenda all day.

Perhaps I was unclear. I come here to get away from that shit. It's the Italics I was talking about.

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Lesbianism was never illegal in England, so women had that privilege over men prior to 1967.

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Please tell me that's verbatim, R5.

R29 That's a cryptic picture.

There are the kind of stories that the right looks for and tries to use as proof that the gay agenda has been co-opted by the Marxist Left.

This LGBT group like many takes itself way to seriously.

I am tired of this cursade by radicals against the cos white male. They are just people like the rest of us and many of them are liberal! Not that that has a say in wheaten they should be treated fairly or not.

[quote]I am tired of this cursade by radicals against the cos white male

It's not just radicals. Stop deluding yourself.

Wtf does "hetero queer" mean?

All these things that have fuck all to do with homosexuality are completely irrelevant to gay rights.

[quote]Wtf does "hetero queer" mean?

A straight woman with blue hair!

Genius, R19!

And if you want your Pride to be fun and popular, you will leave it in the hands of cis white gay men!

Why are trans so defensive of their mental illness being discussed? It’s a disorder that requires extreme medical integration. It’s like Muslims going crazy because someone drew a picture of Muhammad.

Cis my ass, you whiny babies

[quote] They're pretty much a joke in the UK

And yet in a few years that tranny will probably be a Shadow Minister for the Labour Party.

Let's put the sizzle back in CIS.

R31, they're cutting ties.

[quote]Tranny is a Y short of Tyranny

Well, we know they're not a Y Chromosome SHORT.

This is GREAT news. The sooner these postmodern, neo-Marxist,authoritarian "queers" disassociate from homosexual groups and organizations the sooner we get to witness THIS:

I hate how cis white gay males are made out to be the bad guy. We have faced lots of struggles too and have led the charge on getting equal rights for all. Just because we are cis males doesn't mean we should be pushed out.

No worries r46, cis isn't even a word, it's a fucking made up slur and it's good when people use it because you know exactly where they stand.

Some of the hate for these student activists is justified. However....

"Noorulann Shahid and Beth Douglas, both of whom are NUS officers, launched a withering attack on Student Pride, which they say has abandoned its “radical beginnings” and now allows big corporations to “cash in on the ‘pink pound’.”

They said that Student Pride, a campaigning group which runs an annual conference and careers fair for LGBT+ students, “has become less and less about queer representation and more about profits”."

What this one is saying is, in fact, accurate. Gay INC. has gotten way too cozy with corporate interests to the detriment of the larger struggle for the entire community. These same corporations that a lot of these gay organizations pander to throw us under the bus constantly by supporting anti-gay Republicans, anti-gay Middle Eastern dictators and other various hate groups which undermine the fights that still need to occur for our rights. If these students could quit the gay man bashing and refocus their message on this point, they'd do a lot better job of bringing the community together rather than tearing us apart through needless and mindless spats that go absolutely nowhere and benefit no one.

[quote]cis isn't even a word, it's a fucking made up slur

"Cis" is a top down, ideologically based PROPAGANDA term straight out of the Stalinist handbook. I NEVER use it. I will not cede ANY lingusitic territory to a socio/political project that I find morally and ethically reprehensible.

Exactly r49 and when someone does use it, it's a tip off that they are to be avoided at all costs.

It's inevitable. Authoritarian, narcissistic homophobes who only clung to our coattails until they had the money and institutional power to do without us. They can keep the Q as well.

I am a cis white gay male and I think it's crazy how we're persecuted, but cis is in no way a slur. Sounds like some of you need to get a little more woke.

Cis is just the way to identify that you were born the gender you are. It's used by The NY Times. I think we need to find common ground with these more radical elements and show them that we're not the enemy- the right is. Come together rather than continue this in-fighting.

R52, not until bullshit like that uttered by Sophia Banks stops.

I'm a non-trans male. Don't I get the same opportunity to name my identity as the trans, non-binaries, genderqueers, etc. do?

The Right has always b

Right r52 and it signifies that you think it's possible to change genders, it's not. Like when someone identifies as a Mormon, I know to avoid them. It's actually a good thing, it lets me know where people stand but make no mistake, it's a slur, used to malign anyone who hasn't gone through the "struggle" and oppression of a tranny, it denotes your "less than" status, like wearing a yellow star.

You reading WAY too much into cis. It's just an identifier the same way blonde and brunette are ways to describe your hair color. Being blonde has no implication of not understanding the "struggle" of being a ginger. It just means you have blonde hair.

Being cis just means you were born into the correct gender and you're transitioning/transitioned. One is not better than the other or designed to make someone less than.

[quote] cis. It's just an identifier the same way blonde and brunette are ways to describe your hair color. Being blonde has no implication of not understanding the "struggle" of being a ginger. It just means you have blonde hair.

Apparently some haven't gotten that memo.

Public university’s ‘Queer Women’s Sex’ event excluded ‘straight cisgender’ students

Then, R52, lesbians who do not “identify” with femininity are not cis.

Are they trans?

Can one be both trans & cis?

Or is it one of the other...you know, “binary.”

So trans/cis is binary, but male/female is not. There is such a thing as a feminine penis, but no such thing as a cis lesbian. However, translesbians are ...real.

R55, what the hell is a “correct” gender?? So if any boy likes pink, his penis needs to be removed??

Cis is always used in a scathing and scolding way, r 55, so take it up with them. The implications it carries are never good ones, it's not at all like saying someone is a blonde. See the headline in this thread, it's a pejorative.

[quote]Being cis just means you were born into the correct gender

No one is born in the correct or wrong gender! No one! It's a fantasy. It's as kookie as $cientology!

Ok, maybe it’s not just radicals but still isn’t quite mainstream. Not the way the hard right makes out.

Most of the cis white male in the patriarchy are just men trying to feed their families and live life like the rest of us. Some bad apples like Milo and Co. have played ya by blowing up statistics and using scare tactics to take in dough. Gavin McInnes and Alex Jones come to mind immediately.

R33 ^^^^^

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R55 the word 'cis' is not needed. Man and woman are all the identifiers that are needed. If a minority of people wish to remove themselves from these groups and identify themselves as something else then fine, they can do that. They don't get to recategorise the majority though.

It is no coincidence that promoters and defenders of the "trans" and Muslim agendas coincide and commingle. Both are authoritarian, regressive, bigoted.

"Cis" was developed and promoted as a way for the trans community to take the rest of the world down a peg. It's a way to "other" 99.9% of the world, and to give us a taste of our own medicine. Once you know the background of the word, it's simple and easy to reject it along with any other slur.

When you hear "cis" spoken (usually by trans-identified males talking about real women) it is usually spoken with the same sly venom as "fish."

If you need to differentiate transgenders from the rest of the world, the proper words to use are "biological" and "real."

Also, if there is any doubt about the vindictive nature of "cis" and "queer" consider these campus groups bend over backwards to assure that every group is referred to using the language the group itself affirms. Imagine saying to Native Americans that we will now refer to them as "redskins." We could say that the rest of America has "done the work" and "reclaimed" the former slur. It's now a positive and it's how we will refer to Native Americans from now on.

Gay men should feel free to reject any and all nonsense terminology other groups attempt to hang on us.

Gay men need to run away as fast as they can from these +ers. They're insane.

Some transactivists will say and do anything in their attempt to impose their distorted view of reality on the rest of society. The reality is that there are two groups of human beings based on sex differences, and it is impossible to change sex. No attempt at redefining language will change that.

Wait, isn't 'misgendering' the most heinous crime known to humanity? So maybe trans activists should stop labeling people 'cis' before they've even asked and after we've said not to. Calling any gay man or lesbian woman 'cis', dismisses everything we've been through as a consequence of being outside expected gender roles. I do not 'identify' with the gender performance expected of me because of my sex. I don't even qualify as 'cis', whereas most of the world fits under Stonewall uk's 'umbrella'. The word 'cis' offends and misrepresents me. Call me 'cis' and you're a homophobic hypocrite just trying to assert your power over me.

To clarify that, I'm not trans either. Just pointing out that the definitions of both prefixes just happen to change depending on the trans activist and the point they;re trying to make.

R68, if you aren't trans who can you not qualify as cis? I would say 99% of the population is cis, both gay and straight. Were you born a male? Are you still male today? Then you're cis.

I'm a gay male. I'm not genderqueer or fluid or any of these things. Just a typical gay male. Yet I have no problem being labeled as cis because that's what I am.

You realize these terms are used in academia, right? They are the standard terms that we've all been taught. The derogatory tones are all in your head.

Question for R70:

What did you call yourself ten years ago? Did you refer to yourself as "cis"? Of course not. It's a newly-coined term that you have chosen adopt. "Cis" is not a term used throughout academia, only in Gender Studies departments (formerly known as Women Studies, and Gay Studies) and other departments and institutions where loony transgenderists have set the list of acceptable language.

Why do you not use the latest term: AMAB? It means "assigned male at birth" and is as dumb as it sounds. As if sex is some arbitrarily assigned label.

You do know there was a time when academia accepted terms like Negro, homophile, and sapphist. The idea that someone is teaching it in a classroom at Oberlin doesn't make it valid.

Why the ignore and reject gay men and lesbians, yet fully respect the pronouns and adjectives of every other group?

Yes! We need more of this.

*applauds r71*

They're trying to add a P (for pedophile) and K (for kink) to the ever increasing acronym.

[quote]Please tell me that's verbatim, R5.

I’m not R5 but I found a tweet with that quote

[quote]You realize these terms are used in academia, right? They are the standard terms that we've all been taught. The derogatory tones are all in your head.

They are also still used as hate speech against gays by heterosexuals. I got called that by the boy I had a crush on in high school. By using academia to defend its use, you are defending homophobia.

You got called cis in high school? How old are you? Did you tell the boy he was also cis (I assume)?

There is no reclamation here. Cis is a new term.

I got called q***r. Sorry if I was not clear about that. I also got called sissy by others so I don't appreciate being called c*s either. I do not appreciate being defined by what I am not.

R70 There is no need for a word that means 'non trans'. The default is man and woman. Just because a small number of individuals are unable or unwilling to accept this definition doesn't alter that fact.

You can accept being called cis if you wish but don't expect anyone else to, and don't feel that you can apply it to other people without their permission.

Cis is just a synonym for biological. It has nothing to do with "sissy." I have no problem being called a biological male or any of its synonyms.

Gay is much more a slur/pejorative than queer nowadays by far.

Gay is the acceptable word. Q***r means abnormal and it will always be derogatory to refer to homosexuality that way NO MATTER WHAT.

The ‘Cis’ troll has a one-track mind

No one is buying its propaganda here

All this stuff is top-down and with the end game of erasing gay people and rolling back the clock for women's rights.

I am sorry this was always going to happen for a number of reasons.

When German women were thrown to the wolves on New Year’s last year , in Cologne. The Left said little and the Feminists less . They were White and in the ladder of victimhood , came on top and refugees became the highest victim. I knew then Gay White men would be thrown under the bus just as easily.

We have fallen victim to our own agenda. White people are part of the majority culture and now we have marriage equality, we are almost seen as the establishment.

This was always going to happen in the victim narrative we have, because White men and women are more privileged. We are told this again and again. How long did you think they were going to wait before Gay White Men and women would be thrown under the bus in the quest for victim purity.?

It's no coincidence that cis sounds like sissy. They also say cissies.

Imagine how a young Cindy Brady would pronounce "cis."

Any MtoF trans that does not get his penis removed is not REALLY trans. He's just hedging his bets.

No excuses. Chop it.

Agreed. I'm gay, not queer. People advocating that we "reclaim" the word often compare it to the way blacks use "nigger" Regardless of how comfortable they may be in calling each other that, they'll never put it in an acronym for one of their advocay organizations. Because they're sensible.

We don't need to reclaim the word- it has already been reclaimed. Past tense. Hate to break it to you, R88, but if you're gay, then you're also queer. An umbrella term covers all the terms under it.

No, I'm not, R89. I am a gay man, you do not have permission to call me or any other gay man or lesbian that.

Sounds like you have some self-loathing issues to work out, R90. If you can't proudly be here and queer then that's a problem you need to figure out within yourself.

Why should a group of people built around an immutable characteristic welcome people who are trying to erase that? Black civil rights organizations don't advocate passing for white.

I find it interesting that “they”(is that correct?) Want to capitilize te rf for maximum shouting down impact.

If you’re going to call me queer as an insult, so be it. I’ll walk away from it. But don’t call me Queer. I don’t believe in a single umbrella that gays AND trans AND obese blue haired SWJs fit under. I completely reject that.

^^^I meant SJW of course. See? I’m all flustered by this.

I understand R65. This current fad demonstrated the decadent malaise in our current society.

LGB only

When someone uses the term cis, you should shout them down and accuse them of hate speech. Time to throw it back in their face.

Cis is not hate speech. You sound crazy, R98.

[quote] Cis is just the way to identify that you were born the gender you are.

We have words for that already. They are called "male" and "female" or "man" and "woman" or "boy" and "girl."

Calling a person a "cis" male or a "cis" female adds an unneeded qualifier. Adding the word "trans" as a qualifier for people claiming to be the opposite sex IS the compromise. If you are a man who identifies as a woman, you are not a real woman... you are a trans woman. And if you don't think there is anything wrong with being a trans woman, there is no need to invent a made up term like cis to justify yourself. Trans women are not real women nor are trans men. They are there own unique category.

R100, that's like saying there's no reason to have a term for straight men and women. That straight is the default and we can just call them men and women and if someone is gay then we label them a gay man or woman, but there's no reason to add the extra qualifier back to men and women because straight is what is "normal." It's the same thing.

Cis is just the equivalent.

R64, don't forget the overlap with MRA/pedos.

It certainly seems like a split has occurred already, and not because we didn't try to get along. Just a completely different agenda, nothing personal, good-bye. Time to stop being whiny apologists and bitter whatevers and move on. I will not miss the drama.

Whatever it takes to get us i separate camps is a-okay with me.

R99, you poor poor thing.

What happened to the German women on New Year’s? Were they cissed off?

Using 'cis' is like telling everyone that the color black no longer exists and must now be called 'spectral absence'. Sorry, we already have a word for that color...black.

[quote]Cis is just a synonym for biological.

No it's not because that would mean that a trans woman is actually a cis man because he is, in fact, a bio male.

R101 straight is not the same thing because gay, lesbian, bi and straight are all sexual orientations. They're all still men or women. Cis is not a sexual orientation and doesn't really mean anything except not trans.

I'm not sure why the word cis was even included in the phrase “cis white gay men” in whatever statement the students are trying to make. Are they saying there aren't enough lesbians or people of color or trans people in the group? Would gay white men be OK if they identified as trans gay white men?

When language is used with the intent to muddle issues rather than clarify them then it fails. Cis fails and so does queer for different but similar reasons.

That “assigned at birth” shit pisses me off. No, the doctor looked down and saw a penis or vagina. What is trans, 2% of the population? That’s like if a person had a two percent predisposition for cancer referring to them as a cancer patient.

And that fuck that “cis” noise. There are also people with the mental illness that makes them think they should be paraplegics. Are we supposed to now consider ourselves humans who identity as able bodied? No, because that’s very very rare. If fifty percent of the population identified as “disabled” that would be a different story that could warrant making that distinction.

Keep in mind that trans make up an insignificant % of the population. The people making noise and pushing for this bullshit and are as always college leftist radicals and the 'professional' outrage activists. They make a living out of this shit you know, for them it must be nice to multitask a little away from race-baiting.

[quote] Keep in mind that trans make up an insignificant % of the population. The people making noise and pushing for this bullshit and are as always college leftist radicals and the 'professional' outrage activists.

And we moral exhibitionists who know we can get away with any sort of hidden corruption if we keep everybody's attention on crap like this..

Aren’t they like point 6 % of the population. I mean for fucks sake.

[quote]That “assigned at birth” shit pisses me off. No, the doctor looked down and saw a penis or vagina.

Yep. It's not like the doc just said, "OK, all the babies born on the first half of my shift will be girls today, and the rest will be boys."

R109 where did you dream up those crazy percentages? Do you live in cray-cray Phillipines?

How much % of the population do you have to be before your life matters?

R114, I only gave an example of percentage and it’s actually lower than I stated.

Do those numbers break it down by sexual orientation?

I knew that the more they tried to downplay the gay part of LGB-and-all-the-stuff-that-doesn't-fucking-belong the sooner they would try to sell us out this way.

R116 number of people 'identifying' as trans will keep increasing because media won't stop pushing them and their agenda down everyone's throats, and there are millions of mentally ill people and dumbfuck college activist types that will jump on that bandwagon just to score progressive points.

R115, how much of the population do you have to be to start redefining reality for the rest of the population? It would have been like gay people demanding that straight people start calling themselves non-gay. Of course, the irony there is that the trans are trying to define everyone as male and non-male. Fucking misogynists.

Oh shut up, R115. Nothing about this thread is about whose life matters, despite persecution fetishists like you trying to make it make it seem that way. It’s about whether the identity of 0.6% should change the classification of the other 99.4% of the population.

But I get it. Transgender people are allowed to decide how they wish to refer to themselves but no one else is.

If they really did [R18] refuse to condemn ISIS because it would be islamophobic then not only are they very very stupid and foolish but their self righteous fervour is destroying the movement for gay equality. Do they actually know what ISIS stands for? There's a saying the lunatics have taken out era the asylum. I just don't understand where they are coming from? Their morality seems to be rooted in nothing substantial.

The SJWs that fill these kinds of groups remind me so much of being an ignorant, idiotic 13 year old mouthing off about world problems that I understood nothing about. The problem is, people don't just shake their heads and roll their eyes and think, 'Aren't they precious? Wait until they meet the real world." like they used to. They actually take these idiots seriously.

One of the best videos was that one where some groups of SJWs invaded a college classroom and the professors in the front just said, "Fuck this noise." and quietly gathered their papers and left the children to throw their little tantrum. It's actually the same advice they give parents to deal with toddler tantrums...just let them tire themselves out and, whatever you do, don't give them any attention for it.

SJWs = giant toddlers

The US trans percentage tenders ago was .002%

But as R118 says there are now lots of mentally ill people jumping on the bandwagon.

R112, part of the problem is that these young activists have grown up with social media, have a strong command of it, and are able to use it to their advantage. Because major media corps look to social media as a Holy Grail of soliciting disposable income of young people, so they treat their social concerns as ones of dominance in the culture. The problem is that they aren’t representative of adults and people in the real world. I’m sure lots of us had radical ideas about social justice that evolved once we had a little life experience. A lot of young people are going to look back ten years from now about how ridiculous they acted. The problem is that it’s having a major impact on the culture now and going lots of unnecessary divide and friction.

I was responding to R122 not R112

Lots of people with victim complexes saw the struggle of the gay rights movement and wanted the credibility of being persecuted for socially sympathetic reasons. It’s the same as white teenagers dressing black. They redefine the definition of the LGB group to include things like non-binary which allows them to be a part of the group and talk about what victims they are without having to eat pussy.

r122 Too bad this guy wasn't there!

R108, the thing is "cis" doesn't muddle things- just the opposite. It helps clarify. We need to say cis white gay men, because white gay men would also include white transmen who are gay. Adding "cis" just makes things a little more specific.

I'm a cis white gay man and if you are too (which I assume many in this thread are) I honestly don't see what the problem is. Being cis doesn't demote our social status or cause us to lose any rights. In fact it makes us part of the majority- part of the norm.

I guess because if a trans man, aka woman is into men, then she's not gay.

Good to hear the push back against "cis" which only dates back to the 90's and didn't enter the discourse until well into the 2000s. Thanks, but no thanks, to the fabricated new label.

I think the trans brigade has had so much success bullying lesbians (because men, with or without wigs and makeup, are highly skilled at policing women's conduct) they think that gay men will roll over and accept their bullshit terminology.

For R128: A white transman (born female) who prefers sex with males, is not a "white gay man." She is a trans-identified female having heterosexual intercourse. If she doesn't use birth control, she might become pregnant. Gay men of every color have 0% probability of becoming pregnant.

r128 Do you consider Warren Beatty's kid to be a gay man? Do you think "he" shares your struggles? Or is he a gender tourist which was accidentally said but actually is pretty perfect.

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That's a heterosexual woman.

Seriously though, as gay men, what if you heard that little Beatty snot say some shit like, "oh it's hurtful to know many of my fellow gay men were stricken down by AIDS in the 80's" or something like that, you'd be furious, right? That's how women feel when these fucking men try to appropriate our struggles.

Beatty's daughter, who LARPs as a "gay man" is/or has been in a relationship with another woman who LARPs as a "gay man". I don't know if she's had sex with actual men but she reminds me very much of the phenomena of lesbians who trans together in a possibly subconscious but quite obvious belief that they've upgraded from boring old terfy lesbians to fabulous gay trans "men".

Yeah r135 and given how her father treated women until pretty recently as conquests and whores, it's not really fucking hard to figure out why she doesn't want to be one.

Beatty's kid was driven crazy by the lunatic left/trans/SJW/gender-studies lunacy. This person speaks non-stop in their jargon. I read something she was saying that was using the jargon of 1970 lunatic fringe "radicals" (who were all rich kids fighting with their fathers under the guise of this political posturing).

If you're cis and white, you owe them, Don't ask, don't judge.

[quote]I'm a cis white gay man and if you are too (which I assume many in this thread are) I honestly don't see what the problem is.

The issue I have with 'cis' isn't that it differentiates between trans and not trans but that it solidifies the idea of an internal gender. The definition of cis is someone whose gender identity matches the gender they were assigned at birth - but I don't believe gender identity exists, and certainly not as an innate quality. Using the term 'cis' solidifies a view of gender that I think is bullshit.

R128 it doesn't matter to men as much so I can see why you don't mind. Transmen are not a threat to men, because they are women. it's really about redefining womanhood so that men can call themselves women, move into women's spaces, take over womens movements and groups and attack women's rights from the inside.

And R128 please remember that children who are potential gay and lesbian adults have already been identified as collateral damage by the transactivist movement.

Sometimes I think we are living in Edward Gibbon’s “Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire” We seem to be the last decadents waiting for the Barbarians to overrun us and destroy us forever.

There are people dying in countries of poverty, starvation , homophobia, torture, AIDS and war and we are discussing what pronouns to use on 0.2 % of our population and how offended they will be if we choose the wrong one? This is where we are as a society?

We seem to forget when we discuss CIS etc that Gays and trans and Queer etc make up at best 10% of the population? Why should the 90% of the population who are not Trans or Gay or Queer use the pronouns we wish to call ourselves.

The madness of minorities, and I am proud to be part of the Gay one , is that we forget by the very definition we are not the majority. But not only do we say our rights are important. In some ways we say our rights are more important than the majority.

How long does a majority take before it lashes out at the minority? We are so consumed with the minority being dominant that we fail to see how unreal this all is to the mass of the majority. How many straight truck divers or fraternities are going to refer to themselves as CIS White Males.? This is why this SJW shit gets mocked.

[quote]We need to say cis white gay men, because white gay men would also include white transmen who are gay. Adding "cis" just makes things a little more specific.

[quote]the word 'cis' is not needed. Man and woman are all the identifiers that are needed

We DON'T need "cis" as a specifier. We ALREADY have a designation that differentiates the two: The term is TRANS. As in "gay" transman or "lesbian" transwoman. No need to fix something that ain't broken. Unless, of course, there's something ELSE at work here.

The strident activists that are the main culprits in pushing the "cis" project are attempting to re-define language so that people who are syntonic with their birth sex are branded with the "cis" slur while the terms "man" and "woman" are claimed for transpeople ONLY. This is the same group of trans identitarians who wrote the HRC "Safer Sex" guide that,among other things,referred to biological vaginas as "front holes" while claiming the term "vagina" for themselves and declaring cross-dressers and BDSM fetishists as members of the "trans" community.

This is not about what's in the best interests of individual transpeople. NO ONE elected, ordained or gave consent that would allow these activists to declare themselves proxies of the "trans community". This is a social/political project that is firmly rooted in a resentful, authoritarian, postmodern, neo-Marxist ideology that has no internal logic, coherence and is unverifiable. It is anti-female,anti-homosexual, anti- SCIENCE and PARASITIC.

Bravo r143 couldn’t agree more.

The saddest thing about this whole thing is that Trans people have to come to terms with many things. But given how private and conservative many of them seem to be. ( Ok entirely my thoughts , but still) How mortifying must it be for everyone to discuss you and your feelings, must be totally fucked.

We speak as though we meet Trans people every hour if every day.. This total bullshit.

Why are the subcontinental girls the most uppity?

Is it the inter-generational trauma associated with their female ancestors being thrown on pyres?

it's a game where straight men can pretend they are some kind of 'minority.' And they can't even be bothered to attempt to change their voices anymore, or shave.

what is this grifter bullying demanding $20 or free turkeys? Gross.

they use language from the gay and women's movements to fool people to think they are something progressive when they are actually homophobic and sexist. Most people do not follow it through to see it is contradictory/makes no sense.

"assigned from birth " is taken from the hermaphrodites/intersex. It makes sense in their cases, but it makes zero sense re trans. But people do not point out how they twist language.

I believe the twisting of language and reality and the criminalizing of language is the whole point of T. They are chaos agents, funded by the chaos agent puppet master, Soros. They are also heavily funded by drone manufacturers and the US military. Surely there is a return on investment expected?

This is not an organic movement. Where did the research behind all of the hypno sissy porn come from? Search trans and parents and see the enormous T media push to parents from magazines to blogs to picture books. Parents who resist are told their kid will kill him/herself. If parents still resist sterilizing and mutilating their minor child, they may lose custody.

true, R149

R149, I agree.

The Ps are now using the same argument as the Ts....that their “attraction” to children is just another sexual orientation, and it wasn’t long ago that gays and lesbians were considered mentally ill.

There’s a connection between the Ps and the Ts...they all want access to children.

Kids trust women more than they trust men. So when a man is disguised as a woman, he can gain children’s trust more easily.

Just like the Big Bad Wolf dressing up like granny.

The T agenda has been successful. Now the Ps are claiming it. Not much difference between the two.

[quote] Shahid, described on their Twitter profile as a “Muslim, Feminist, Desi, Queer, Disabled, Trans (they/them)”

What is "Desi"?

(I'll probably regret asking)

I believe ‘desi’ means South Asian

You usually hear Desi when people are discussing guys from India etc

Dezi

yes R151 and neither care about the harm to kids or leaving G&L orgs in shambles. They destroy these orgs for their own ends, but want association with G&L letters so it appears they are being endorsed by G&L. And if it does appear that way down the road, then it will be the end for G&L rights.

The moment P gets (back) in with the L&G, L&G Rights are going to go backwards so fast heads will spin.

yes it will be over.

Either people realizing what a big scandal "transkids" is or P attaching. People will say is this what GAY was all about all along?

Pedophiles have NOTHING to do with LGBTQ and never will. No one has ever associated the two together and there's no reason for them to start.

Don't try to make your transphobia valid by lumping them in with a disgusting group of criminals.

Like parasites, pedophiles have tried, (are trying, and will continue to try) to attach their agenda to the gay rights agenda.

They use gay slogans like "Love is Love" and all over the globe try to insert "age of consent" laws changes whenever and wherever they can.

Anyone who has every worked at an LGBT center can recognize the men (always men) who want to "volunteer" with the youth.

Online there are creepy trans-identified men who pretend to "mentor" trans and questioning youth. Their prurient interest is obvious. So, yes, gays and lesbians need to be ever vigilant against pedophiles using the "rainbow" as a cover to procure children.

[quote] That straight is the default and we can just call them men and women and if someone is gay then we label them a gay man or woman, but there's no reason to add the extra qualifier back to men and women because straight is what is "normal."

That is a stupid example. Sexual orientation is different than sex. When discussing someone's sexual orientation, applying terms like "heterosexual" or "gay" is adding a descriptive qualifier that necessitates differentiating words.

We are a sexually dimorphic species. There are two sexes that are predetermined at the genetic level. Genetic abnormalities and disorders can sometimes mask a person's biological sex, but that is like arguing there is no such thing as a healthy human being because disorders like hemophilia or cystic fibrosis exist.

If you are a feminine man who likes stereotypical female things (stereotypical as society has defined it), you are still a man. If you are a man who is attracted to men, that does not make you any less of a man. Now if you are man claiming to be a woman (or something other than your real sex), you are still a man, but this is where the qualifier of trans is necessary: you are a trans "woman" i.e. not a real woman but a separate category unto itself. You can feel like you are the "wrong" sex, but you will always be that sex regardless. A man who wants to be a woman will never truly be a woman, but we can respect their viewpoint and experience as a trans "woman" without having to make up words like "cis" that add redundant qualifiers.

It is like a saying I am "man male." It is unneeded, whereas the trans qualifier is (because they are not really the sex they are claiming) is needed.

I am not a gay cis man. I am gay man. A woman who feels like man but is attracted to men is not a gay man. She is heterosexual woman or a gay trans "man."

"Assigned by birth" equals "assigned by reality".

Fuck that "cis" and "front hole"' bullshit.

Reality is a bitch.

Of course another reason I don't think we need the "cis" word is that the only reason is exists is to excuse the term "trans woman" [Don't even pretend it was 'trans men' who felt so driven to force this on people]

We don't need the term "cis woman" because "trans woman" shouldn't even exist: An adult male human is not and cannot be, in any way, any type of adult human female.

[quote] What college is this?

It's being held at the University of Westminster this year. I waked past their campus today and as Student Pride starts tomorrow there are lots of pride flags outside the main building, which reminded me of this thread. Westminster is a working class university with mostly black and minority ethnic or white working class students. It's really shitty of the NUS to boycott this event in the name of diversity when it's being held at probably one of the most unprivileged and diverse universities in the country! I understand what the NUS is moaning about and we've all complained about the commercialisation of Pride but to boycott a university which is mainly black and working class is really, really fucked.

I'm proud to be cis gay. Also proud to support my trans brothers and sisters. Gender fluidity is as true as the sexual continuum. Non binary and bisexual both deserve rights and dignity.

More [bold]#TrannyPanic[/bold]. The title isn't even what the article's about. For those who cannot READ, the reason for the split is:

[quote]They said that Student Pride, a campaigning group which runs an annual conference and careers fair for LGBT+ students, “has become less and less about queer representation and more about profits”.

They only touch on their problem with the leadership as a side note. And of course, if there IS no variety in the group's governing body, that's a legit problem. But that's not what caused the breakup.

[quote]R161 I am not a gay cis man. I am gay man.

Then why do you sound like such a little bitch?

r167 Why even cite the cis whiteness though? really? why? They said it so it must be a factor.

R159 obviously doesn’t know his history.

Probably thinks a tranny threw the first brick at stonewall...*eyeroll*

[quote]r169 Why even cite the cis whiteness though? really? why? They said it so it must be a factor.

Basically, you're saying, "But I read it on the Internet, so it must be true."

The reporter probably asked if they had other problems with the organization, so they mentioned previous mistrust. But it's not like they're picketing about that....and it's not why they broke with the organization.

If you don't understand why citing cis whiteness is essential, then you are probably a cis white douchebag. And so of course you miss the whole point.

[quote] I'm proud to be cis gay. Also proud to support my trans brothers and sisters. Gender fluidity is as true as the sexual continuum. Non binary and bisexual both deserve rights and dignity.

Gender fluidity is not a thing. You are either male or female. How you express yourself is irrelevant. Every single person alive today is "gender fluid," a bull shit term itself, because no man or woman adheres to exact gender stereotypes... unless you are trans. You are not a cis gay. You are a gay man.

I have many non binary and genderqueer civil rights SUPERSTARS who fight in military. Fighting for your freedom and safety. Our blanket of safety is a product of their courage. Service makes us strong. GoTransVets.

Fuck off r172, if it's not part of the problem then why is it being cited is what I'm asking? It is part of the problem which makes them the douchebags for discriminating against a white male.