How does the gay community rally against bearding and closetedness among celebrities and athletes?

Forced outing is considered impolite and an awful capital sin against your fellow gays so I guess we do nothing other than bitching and speculating over here.

I don’t agree, R1.

Obsessively create threads about him on DL?

[quote]Forced outing is considered impolite and an awful capital sin against your fellow gays so I guess we do nothing other than bitching and speculating over here.

It’s 2018 and this is still a thought. That’s because gay people...GAY PEOPLE...say this:

[quote]outing is considered impolite and an awful capital sin against your fellow gays

and this:

[quote]we do nothing

Get a life and mind our own business?

And that. ^^

On a gossip site.

I was being ironic, R4

Well, gossip isn't really "rallying" against anything, is it? Everyone gossips. Beyond that, get a life.

First you need to accept there is no such thing as "the gay community". There is no community...just a bunch of people who use each other and knife each other in the back.

If a celebrity is closeted and they have posed no threat, then let them be. If the person is closeted AND spewing homophobia that threatens the the safety and equality of gays, then out them.

This is why Gay as Blazes is six feet under instead of Tumblring from his dorm room...

out all of them.

You aren’t comfortable in your own sexuality if you need to manage the sexuality of strangers...

This. "If a celebrity is closeted and they have posed no threat, then let them be. If the person is closeted AND spewing homophobia that threatens the the safety and equality of gays, then out them."

But not this: "There is no community...just a bunch of people who use each other and knife each other in the back." While I agree there is a gay population, rather than a "gay community," the second part of your statement is homophobic and self-hating as fuck. It also doesn't align with actual history or the facts on the ground. People are fucked up and mean everywhere, and some gays are no exception, but don't dump your verbal diarrhea on gay people in general when many of us, and many of the brave people we admire, do not resemble your remarks at all. Thx.

R14:

Your assertion that outing someone who is acting badly as revenge or punishment also drips with homophobia

It reinforces the notion being gay is a punishment for being naughty

R3 and when they come out , slag them off as effeminate attention whores who can't ever do anything right ever again

That poll is so depressing.

“If a bullet enter my brain, may it shatter every closet door”. - Harvey Milk

Sorry, Harvey. It didn’t.

WATCH THE FILM "OUTRAGE" AND DO AS THE FILM MAKER DOES!

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Thank you, R20.

I’m sorry, R1. I can’t tell which is funny or serious on this topic.

Datalounge has helped me out so much in terms of who and what to boycott. DiCaprio, Cooper, Aaron Rodgers, Tyler Seguin, Kerry Rhodes—the list is endless. I appreciate DL for helping me identify the closeted. And, I boycott them.

How exactly does one boycott a washed up mediocre athlete who hasn’t played in ages?

It’s hard to sustain relationships with closeted men who think gayness is a dirty secret to be overcome or hidden.

Off topic, R25, but a fair statement

I don't mind dating closeted guys. It means I don't have to pretend to like their families or friends. No in-laws is a big plus in my book.

Compelling

Being in the closet - ok by me (stars don't have to tell me about their sexual lives), bearding - huge NO.

[quote]Do nothing, accept that bearding and closetedness is a fact of life

Go fuck yourself, OP, because I sure won't.

How about gays who abstain from homosexual activity?

You mean Uncle Toms, R31?

Tyler Seguin can hide in my closet annnnnytime.

I think too many young men wear beards—they’d look much better clean shaven. And the big Duck Dynasty beards look horrible on anyone (with the possible exception of Santa Claus.)

And I am unanimous in that!

They need to come face to face with the reality that they are setting a bad example for their gay fans.

They have no obligation to live for others

How many actually are closeted as opposed to desperate fantasies of posters here though?

Another fair statement

True. It’s mass delusion here

Celebrity closetedness is as annoying as anything, but it's not an important issue. They closet themselves because they make more money that way, and for that I blame the entertainment companies and corporate sponsors who won't hire the out more than the closet cases themselves.

There are much more important issues. Corrupt and treasonous government, oceans dying and climate change imperiling the future, declining wages and quality of life, etc. Some schmuck with a short career trying to make as much money as he can before he's a has-been, that's not really important enough to get worked up about.

[quote]but it's not an important issue.

R40, people have been saying that about gay rights...forever. Oh well.

[quote] How many actually are closeted as opposed to desperate fantasies of posters here though?

Like the boy next door who grew up to be the man that got away?

[QUOTE]people have been saying that about gay rights

Celebrities being in the closet has fuck all to do with gay rights. The only people who try and convince themselves otherwise are those who try to find reasons to excuse their desire to out people.

Sure R43. You’re preaching to the choir. I support the closet, feel gay rights are not as important as jobs, etc,. It’s a loss cause. Bitching about the closet is pointless. I’m on your side now.

*lost.

[QUOTE]feel gay rights are not as important as jobs

You're an idiot

Closets are for clothes.

That poll depresses me beyond belief. Just depressing. “Do nothing”. The gay community from the 70s is long gone. Gone.

How are we supposed to prove it?

What is the argument in favor of boycotting a celebrity suspected of being closeted as a way of fighting for gay rights?

Some of them are afraid of losing fans by coming out, especially if their fan base includes old grandmas and fraus.

All the more to do nothing. Apply “do nothing” to every aspect of every gay identity. Eh, most do already.

Outing celebrities is one of the worst ideas ever.

All it does is reinforce the notion that gays are a bunch of nasty queeny gossips who try and bring other people down.

It does not make anyone feel good about being gay.

It does not make young gays feel good that some actor was exposed as a gay man by vengeful Eldergays. All they think is "will some crazed Eldergay try and out me before I'm ready?"

I know that in the 70s you all thought it was a good idea.

But that's like talking about shit that happened during Reconstruction in the middle of the first World War. (1870s —>1918)

[quote]All it does is reinforce the notion that gays are a bunch of nasty queeny gossips who try and bring other people down.

There is so much shame attached to being gay. So much shame. Homophobic shame.

It’s not your place to tell others how to live or identify. Tolerance

That's bullshit R54

If French people got together and "outed" someone as French who was claiming to be Italian, they'd look like a bunch of nasty fuckers too.

It has to do with letting people make their own decisions and living their own lives. No one died and appointed you Ruler.

And if you think outing people isn't a form of homophobia, you're even more fucked up than you sound.

It's the same line of thinking that causes Boys In the Band Syndrome, where DLEGs hiss and call people they think are gay "Miss" and "her" and all that.

It's thinking "well if I'm a freak and everyone knows it, I'm going to point out all the other freaks too, so I can prove I'm not the only one."

Sure R56.

And again, most of the people that DL is so sure are in the closet simply aren't. So for all of you going on about how badly it serves the gay community them being in the closet - why not support openly gay talent instead of trying to make believe every attractive straight guy is secretly gay? That's something that could actually get the closeted ones to come out.

Instead, the openly gay ones get ignored at best, or mocked and insulted, whilst the straight get worshipped and adored.

Bingo R58

Yep.

R58 wins

Sure.

And the reason R58 is self-hatred

In their minds, Gay = Inferior.

So out celebs are inferior.

They want to out the allegedly closeted ones as a way of proving that "even though people think he's hot, he's a nelly queen just like me." And then they type shit like "Miss Bradley Cooper" or "Miss Hugh Jackman" and think they're #winning

Pathetic actually.

Love it.

Crazy. Just hit "Ignore" on the "Sure" troll and fuck if it isn't the OP

Who had written half the posts on here and truly believes we should boycott every actor DL's Flyoverstani Eldergays decide is a homosexual, e.g. every decent looking one.

I guess that leaves lesbian porn and Abe Vigoda movies.

GLEE solved society's coming out issues and made gay acceptance the norm.

This thread was created by the same person who runs those Gay Sam Heughan threads and who tries to convince us the Call Me By guys are in a secret relationship. He's obsessed with closeting and bearding and thinks the latter occurs on an industrial scale and that people live with and marry their beards.

British fraus love to dig their heels into the muck

Like a bulldog with a bone

I created that thread R67? Huh.

Interesting R67

He must be a DLVEG (DataLounge VERY ElderGay) cause he's got a bunch of threads about Harvey Milk and other people who died before I was born.

Live and let live. No one has an obligation to come out of the closet. It's also a personal issue.

Right.

Agree with R58. The focus should be on supporting out celebrities and athletes instead of mostly ignoring them or worse. Fix that first.

Right.

r73 there are reasons they're not supported. In the sport world, they're usually fame whores who are using it to promote and/or further their careers in lieu of being at the actual talent level to which they aspire. They're also hot messes, i.e. Michael Sam.

Philosophically, I can see why people push for them to be out because IMHO it would make a huge difference, where ignorant straights equate gay with female. As Susan St James said of Rock Hudson (paraphrased), you can't say you hate him now, because you've been a fan for years. He changed people's perceptions.

Having said that, people have a right to identify however they like. I would never take that right away for a larger issue, because I think individual rights are important. (I'd make an exception for anti-gay legislators in some cases.)

Massive suicide pact.

Okay

[quote]GLEE solved society's coming out issues and made gay acceptance the norm.

How? By not only reinforcing every gay stereotype in the book but selling it to a new generation as the only acceptable way to be gay, and by selling us out to the transcult towards the end?

Right.

Don't know about the sports world. But in Hollywood, keeping gay actors and actresses in the closet, is a very profitable business for a lot of people. And they will fight tooth and nail to keep that income stream coming in, including exaggerating what a threat it would be to gay clients careers, even when they dont believe it themselves.

You have to support out gay celebs and gay entertainment. Hollywood is only as liberal as the profit returns

Same opinion as R29

'Being in the closet - ok by me (stars don't have to tell me about their sexual lives), bearding - huge NO.'

If the closet is so cherished by both gay and straight people, that is no life to lead. 40 years ago, Harvey Milk spoke against the closet, 40 years later, nothing has changed and the closet is still a dominating and protected way of life. 40 years from now, it will still be the same. It’s no life, but support out gay people and try to find and associate those that do. It’s hard to find, especially based on that poll, but finding those thst don’t shame being gay is the only way to not end up angry, frustrated or depressed. But, I can see why depression and suicide is so prevalent amongst gays.

[quote] You have to support out gay celebs and gay entertainment.

You have to do better than retreads of 20-year-old minstrel shows and creepy pederastic crap set in a country with a history of fascism.

One should out only those whose closeted life is so twisted that they publicly speak and work against gays.

[QUOTE]there are reasons they're not supported. In the sport world, they're usually fame whores who are using it to promote and/or further their careers in lieu of being at the actual talent level to which they aspire. They're also hot messes, i.e. Michael Sam.

The thing is most athletes are fame whores, and most use anything they can to try and advance their career past their talent. And in case you haven't noticed, a metric fuckload of straight athletes are also hot messes. Why are you expecting so much more from a gay athlete than is expected from a straight one?

What you're basically saying is you only want a perfect super-athlete to come out, and anything less than that isn't good enough? Gee, wonder why so few athletes come out then.

As long as they aren't using their power and position to hurt us (see a fuckton of hypocritical right-wing preachers and politicians) I figure people have a right to live as they choose.

Yes, career and money are motives to stay in the closet, but y’all act as if regular people aren’t closeted too. We live in a world that says homosexuality is immoral, perverted, threatening, illegal, and shameful. That is the main reason people, famous or not, remain closeted or in denial.

The heteros are the real perverts and they are greater in number. They're the ones projecting their immorality onto us. Why do we continue to tolerate it?

Because we never know what is truly going on in a person's life, outing someone can be a dangerous proposition.

That being said, anyone who does choose to live in the closet is harming the gay population at large by diminishing our footprint in the public's consciousness. It is a great disservice, not only to themselves but every LGBT person, young and old, who has ever hoped for a better life. Being closeted is selfish. Sometimes that selfishness is justified (when your personal safety is at risk) and sometimes it is not (when it is done for the love of money.)

ENCOURAGING someone to stay in the closet, against their own inclination, is downright monstrous and evil.

In all scenarios, accepting the closet implies that you accept that homosexuality is somehow dirty, wrong, shameful or less than.

Bearding is even worse. Bearding harms not only the person in the closet but innocent bystanders as well. It is not okay to ruin a woman's life because you can't accept yours.

The "everyone you think is gay is straight" contingency on DL is as annoying as the "everyone you think is straight is gay" contingency.

Is every Hollywood actor gay? Of course not.

But let me tell you, as someone who works in the industry, the celluloid closet is a deep, cavernous, soul-sucking blackhole. The number of people trapped in that vortex would shock you to the core.

In polling, 35% of West Hollywood identifies as openly gay, yet only 14% of actors identify as openly gay according to SAG. Let that sink in.

That is only the tip of the iceberg.

I studied film at a state-funded arts conservatory and I guarantee you that more than 14% of the people in that arts school were gay. I know this because I lived it. They used to joke that we needed a "straight pride" club instead of "gay pride" club so that the straights could better find one another in that vast sea of gayness.

If you don't believe my personal experience, take a look at the drama club in your own high school. Did all those gay kids manage to pray away the gay before they made it to the silver screen? Do you really think Hollywood is just THAT good at sussing out the homosexuals?

Or how about this: take a look at the percent of gay agents, producers, editors, screenwriters, and directors... then compare that to SAG's 14% number. It isn't even close. Gay men have always been disproportionately drawn to the arts. I don't know why, but we all know it is true. However, instead of seeing a disproportionate number of openly gay actors on screen, you see fewer. Many of the people in that SAG poll stated clearly that they can't get parts BECAUSE they are one of the 14% who dared not to stay in the closet.

Even I've been told to stay in the closet "just in case" and I work behind the scenes, not in front of the camera.

This is not healthy and this is not okay.

Yes, odds are, your favorite celebrity is straight, but many celebrities who never entered your bedroom fantasies are gay and they are fucking terrified of losing their dream because of it.

Every person who advocates allowing Hollywood to continue closeting and bearding is just as guilty as the right wing zealots that ferment hate in rural America.

The GP's surprise at how frequent sexual harassment was in Hollywood will be nothing compared to their surprise when gay actors have finally had it and come out in mass. It won't happen in the next 30 years, it may not even happen in my lifetime, but there will be another "Time's Up" movement and every story of every actor who was scared shitless and told that they had to live in a closet or lose every dream they ever dreamt... those stories will bleed across the headlines from the Times to the Post and I hope the people who helped keep them in the closet feel nothing but shame.

The number one thing YOU can do to help these actors is to SUPPORT performers who are already out. Demand Hollywood stop straight-washing gay roles, follow gay actors on twitter (even if you don't think they are hot), purchase music from gay musicians, and speak with your wallet at the box office.

I'll only support gay Republican celebrities. There, I said it.

R90 I agree with every word. Finally somebody wrote an obvious truth that there are many gay men in the arts and it's absolutely possible and nothing surprising that probably even 50% or more of actors are gay. I really hate this whining "on DL every handsome actor is gay": Sorry, it can be true. And bearding is disgusting. I always have the feeling it's like a violation of human rights and a huge discrimination because gay actors don't have big chances for a career in HW.

Your feelings are garbage

Your pet issue of closeted celebs doesn’t even crack the top 1000 of human rights violations...

You're garbage, R93.

The closet is a form of lying and lying is a sin.

Ok, tard

Perhaps the openly gay or nonmasculine actors and athletes never attain to the level of stardom that straight-identified or conventionally masculine performers do. Maybe there is a conscious or subconscious ceiling on the careers of gay and gender nonconforming people

The time to stand up for gay men's rights in Hollywood is right fucking now:

YH huhb

R93 You don't have to agree with my feelings, that is fine.

However, just because celebrities being forced into the closet isn't as pressing an issue as Syrians being forced out of their country, doesn't mean it is an issue no person should care about. I can hold two or more thoughts in my head at once. Most people can.

Your "there are worse problems in the world" dismissal is an argumentative fallacy and has an actual name. It is the fallacy of relative privation. Feel free to read more about this logical fallacy by visiting this linked website:

put signs in front yards of all closeted persons....

[Quote] GLEE solved society's coming out issues and made gay acceptance the norm.

I hope you're being sarcastic.

It’ll never change because gay people don’t want it to change. Victimhood is status and $$$.

In the past, actors stayed closeted because they had no choice. That is not the case today.

[quote]put signs in front yards of all closeted persons....

And then crosses in the front yards of all Jews with name changes and plastic surgery

103 A lot of them still feel like they have very little choice, sadly.

Bless me Father R94 -- it's been 4 months since my last confession. I've told everyone on Datalounge that you're a pompous douchebag who does not speak for the gay community.

Most of the actors are straight, but in the "show business" they are have sexual gay relations by "obligation and opportunity" for their career.

Boycott both. I learn who’s closeted here.