The Fadi Fawaz Saga Part XIII

I identify myself as a cauliflower: therefore I am a cauliflower.

GM Lovelies are all abuzz with the news that Kenny is now married.

So he no longer gets money from gm people, well l hope. Now is the time for the Kenny fangurls to move on since Kenny has. I hope Kenny is never asked about George again since it won't be fair to his new husband.

Wtf?

Sorry, forgot to ask: Whom did he marry? The mysterious swedish woman?

Poster 5 stop no one wants this thread to go to shit because now the lovelies will swarm here with their bs.

R5 Tragic.

I think this is the FB post where the whole news that Kenny got married started

R6 The 'insanies" will spread their bs here either way...

R8 No, it was actually a lady called Lisa Fowler in the notorious FB group "Can I hear it for Kenny Goss" who claimed that Joyce Goss told her that Kenny was married now. When asked when and who he married she failed to give an answer. That's what the whole story is based on. George Michael Tribute Fanpage deleted the posts rather quickly after a frenzy of reactions broke loose.

R10 What kind of reactions? Did they trash him?

So he is not supposed to get married and move on with his life. Maybe those embarrassing mental case of fans whom am sure are middle aged need to get a life and stop living vigorously through a deceased celeb.

Kenny moved on years ago.

R2 to Geri?

In the month or so after gm’s death Kenny was papped a number of times in LA and Dallas with a much younger guy. I don’t think this is a new relationship. It makes some sense that he went super quiet on his Instagram, if true. Some fangirl on here claimed it was the death of his sister in laws’s mother that made him retreat from his social media attention seeking with George’s fans since early December. Puhlease. He knows a lot of the rabid fan girls who posted to kenny as if he must be so lovelorn and alone after GM died would totally freak out about this.

On another note, Kenny also said in one of his tabloid telltales that George was actually found dead in what had always been Kenny’s room in goring. Jus mentioning that for the hell of it...

Why would a room be named after Kenny when they were no longer together. That tabloid story does not make sense.

Who the fuck said a room was named after him. Do you have reading comprehension issues? They had their own bedrooms as George said in many interviews. George was found in the bed of kenny’s Old room.

R16 lacks basic comprehension skills. Go find the tabloid article yourself too before you post what I’m sure will be another idiotic comment.

Because someone ask a question does not mean they lack comprehension idiot.

R19, the question shows your lack of comprehension.

R602 previous thread, if there is an interest for the truth about a positive part of GM life in here, I can tell you almost everything I know without hurting or identify anyone, doing that is not my desition to make. She did have a son in the summer the year after.

R21 Are you implying GM had a kid with this woman?

R21 I just don't understand why he wasn't open about it then. This whole thing doesn't maky any sense to me. Did I miss something here?

This thread started with Kenny getting married and has somehow evolved to George had a kid. Can someone please connect the dots. Is this how these threads go off the rails? I try to start reading them but I get so disappointed at how quickly they turn into a shitshow. WTF!!!

I can not say that it is the case because I don´t know that, but looking from the outside it seems to be a likely possibility. She had him in a perfect timeframe from their meeting, I saw him outside a store this Christmas and he is the same hight as GM, big feet, a lot of hair, curly dark hair and a solid beard, looks older than he is, same eyes and undisputably looking like GM. The rest of the family is short and blonde, he is the only one looking that way. But I don´t know that as a fact. R21 I can easily understand why they might decided to protect him from the same shit that almost did GM in.

Was to R23

R25 We should put this to rest. If this is true, then we've stirred up enough.

R27 I try to share what I can for those who like to know because I know it is true and it has been a lot of shit that´s not, as you have seen I am very careful not to create a disaster, I can stop, but there are more people in this thread that knows about it and I don´t know about them.

Why are loons always creating false conspiracy theories about deceased celebs. I remembered a loon stating that mj had a biological child and prince having a secret son, not a different site. This thread has gone into the nuts taking over again and ruinning this thread. I guess the comments here will go to shit since the loon is back.

You can't claim facts without receipts. If you can't provide evidence then you are a nut trying to stare this thread into shit. It is better you leave because there are enough crazy lovelies that visit this site.

Ohh my..do you realize youré almost doing thing thread alone..no one else can´t stand you sounding like a broken record going over and over and still haven't figured out you are in the wrong thread..this thread is about GM NOT MJ and if you had a clue how GM feelt about MJ you would know how stupid you constant talking of MJ is in here, no one like to hear about it, this time STAY at the MJ tread! Or whatever other celebs you are stalking..

And of course I have proof, but nothing to prove.

Poster 31 is stalking this thread with no prove of his deranged theories. Go create your own thread nutcase. I am not the one claiming gm had a secret child so who is really the deranged one. Your fan fictional writing is terrible.

R33 I have no idea why you have such need to offend just about everybody in this thread and I really don't want to know, but if you dislike a topic, simply push the ignore button instead of keep writing your repetitive and pathetic insults every time anybody else write, you are not the only one inhere, there might be people who want to know about this special woman in GM life, I have no need to tell anything, but what I know, yes, know, I am willing to share if anyone inhere wants me to, simply because it has been to much bad stuff about GM and he did have some good things going in his life too, like this thing, but you don´t have to read it. It is the button to the right with you on it and a line crossing over. Ignore all of us in this thread that knows about this and the ones who want to know, then you might even have the thread to yourself, at last, then you can work up a few new insults because the ones you use over and over are getting a bit boring.

^Why would GM want to hide this relationship with a woman in 1997? He was forcibly outed in 1998. Until then for all intents and purposes he wanted to maintain a heterosexual image. Why would he have after the outing say somewhere during the end of the 1980s he stopped sleeping with woman. And by the time he fell in love with Anselmo he knew he was 100% a gay man. Nobody forced GM to be gay. It was his choice.

Why would anybody have a problem if he was bi and had an affair with a woman in 1997. It simply makes no sense for this affair with the Swedish blonde woman to be kept secret. Atleast if the relationship was after he admitted he was gay on CNN in 1998, it makes sense if he kept it quiet. SImply dont understand why this relationship would have to be kept so top secret?

There is no top secret and relationship with any woman.

R35 Speculations, but maybe, he considered a "one woman relapse" wasn´t anything to confuse his family with? Maybe it was a consideration for the woman, she was married already. Maybe, they knew about something they wanted to protect. It is clear none of them was going to show off what happened, maybe they simply thought it was something between them and no one else, not very unusual and I really don´t think it is all that complicated. Maybe she didn´t want to be showed off? And what do you think would be appropriate for him, at that pressured moment, to say at the CNN interview, I am gay, I stopped sleeping with women 10 years ago, except for one I slept with recently? He knew he would be identified as bi and the consequences that would bring, you only have to look at this, and he knew it was one woman and not a pattern so why scream it of the rooftops because it doesn´t change what he was. If anything would have made the bi discussion worth having, it would be all the previous women that made himself think he was bi, until he understood the consequences of it. I understand any of those reasons, he didn´t tell about the other he slept with eighter, men or women.

And just maybe he panicked because he felt in his heart he was gay and having a child would complicate the path he wanted to take. I'd love to know more actually. Maybe he felt his life was messy as it was without the press knowing this. They would have hounded that woman and her child...maybe he was being protective.

R38 Makes a lot of sense, if there is a son I doubt GM would want him to be put in the eye of that and make him have to live like he had himself, he was protective.

Now he has a son with a Swedish woman and a Russian daughter that tweets nonstop about it

Any other kids out there? Oh, and that he proposed marriage to this fatso crazy from Seattle.

Yeah lots of unhinged people in the GM universe. We know that already

This thread has gone to shit with the nutsos arguing among themselves about imaginary alternative life he had. None of you know anything and the speculation is insulting to his legacy as a gay man. It reeks of homophobia.

If you want to know of GM, you have to respect who he was and what his desires and choices were because that is who he was, not what anyone else wants them to be, no matter what we are talking about, we can´t forget who we are talking about if we want to understand the truth about him, would expect it to be known in here that not everybody is the same.

R40 I don´t know of the other, but I see one difference instantly, the Swedish woman never said a word or claimed any of it like all the rest.

So is this Swedish son trying to dip into the inheritance pie? Is that why the will is not being revealed?

R44 I doubt it, maybe if GM wrote something that makes it complicated but otherwise I have a big difficulty to see this woman would do that, it is against all I know of her and also against all of how GM and her have chosen to handle this so far, because I guess the son wouldn´t be able to stay off the charts if he claimed the inheritance? But who knows, I don´t know everything about them and it is possible it might in some way be a reason for it not being revealed.

R41 No one is talking about an alternative life he led. That is rubbish. He lived as a gay man and considered himself as a gay man, but that doesn't mean the story isn't true. And stop accusing people here of homophobia, simply because the try to understand the complexity of this man. R45 If GM acknowledged him as his son he surely would have made arrangements for him. So maybe this is the reason why the will is not revealed.

Sorry ^they

R46 Absolutely.

You contradict yourself. Gm never once mentioned having a son. I do not believe conspiracy theories because there are no receipts. Why the eff would he hide a son it makes no sense. At least we know he has truly truly made it when a loon starts gm was bisexual psycho discussion and then gm has a secret son follows. It is good to know you are not above creating an alternative reality for him. He is no longer alive to be completely creeped out by you.

So some of you are basically calling gm a liar for living his truth as a gay man. So some of you know his "life" better than he does. I am referring to the nut above who claimed even though he was a gay man it was not always true.With fans like his I now see why he sometimes tried to sabotage his own career. It seems like he also attracted the mentally unstable people as fans.

All - it’s simple. Just hit the ignore button on the lower right of the Swede model child troll. Then the rest of us can carry on with actual topics and not see the delusional and or troll comments.

R50. I had no idea there were so many oddball fans. Not wonder he lost his mind.

R49-52 That's a new low, stay down there where you belong, then you don't have to hear anything from me, I will never go down to your level. You are not bitching, you are plain mean. And you have the greatest most pathetic blinkers I ever saw, no wonder you completely lack any life experiences, if you weren't that stupid I would almost feel sorry for you. But I don´t. Between Black and White there is a whole lot of different shades of grey or between Red and Purple there is Blue, Green, Yellow and Orange...to har for you to understand?

^hard ;)

Shouldn't you be on a leach somewhere loon. Why are you here you psycho fan. The poster above is right. I feel sorry for gm now, he really did attract a lot of nutsos like the poster right above my comment.

R55 Do you have anything to say at all? The only thing you have done so far is nagging at the ones who do, not one single valuable input about anything... What do you want to talk about?

You mean insulting gm legacy as a gay man by falsely insulating he had a son and he might have lied. That is not productive discussion, it is loony talk. I am not interested in deranged fanatic discussions. How about some of you talk about his music, his faults and weaknesses that is actually factual. Issues we know he had that was in the news and he himself discussed.

R50 What was said was that despite of being and living as a gay man most of his life he could have a child... no matter if it was with the swedish lady or someone else. No one ever said he lied when he said he was gay. Learn to read properly.

R55 Still nothing? Don´t you have anything you want to talk about? Don´t you have anything valuable to say? But you want everybody else to stop talking...you might be in the very wrong place...

Why so mean? This is meant to be a fun and interesting place, and it is, except for some mean parties who obviously have some deep issues and low self-esteem and keep taking it out on anybody in here as Anonymous because you would never dare to say anything in real life, that is also the reason you don´t have any control of what is fun and what is mean and you always go too far. That really destroys a lot for the rest of us.

R57 'Issues we know he had... and he himself discussed'? Fine, lets talk about smoking spliffs. Because that is the only thing we know for sure and he talked about.

Learn to stop making shit up. Stop derailing this thread with your nonsense. Some of the viewers of this thread have put you on ignore button. You are a terrible troll. If I saw you in person I will call you a loon. Why are you also writing in anonymous dumbass, clearly you don't want people to know you are a crazy fan and you are the one making shit up.

I don't mind if we discuss the effect of smoking weed has on the brain. I know gm stated he smoked a lot of reef.

As I said...talk about something positive in GM life, because of all the talk of the bad parts that been going over and over...but some obviously need to gloat in others misery to make their own look smaller I guess. So it is not about GM at all then.

From reply 34 - I have no need to tell anything, but what I know, yes, know, I am willing to share if anyone in here wants me to, simply because it has been to much bad stuff about GM and he did have some good things going in his life too, like this thing -

^ interesting topic r62. I understand it can afterwards make people paranoid and anxious too. I don’t think I ever experienced that back in the day but I also may not have made the connection. For an already anxious/depressed person like George this must have been a brutal cycle. I recall hm in an interview describing (in his earlier days when he “didn’t have a problem”) the comedown effect of various drugs in the night after going to bed being almost unbearable. He also commented that it takes away all drive and ambition which he thought was not good for people but okay for someone in his financial and career position.

It is fascinating the effect of recreational drugs on the brain and mood. I have heard that the withdrawal effect is very powerful. It seems like it dies not really help ease depressive moods but makes it worst.

Yes. Personally I think he got into iall the drug taking partly because of the pop icon lifestyles of the 80’s - it was the time of excess and he was at the pinnacle of stardom but I suspect he had an addictive personality too. Also if you are down and shy and whatever else GM was etc and you can get a break from it while taking something (coke, e, pot, booze - he did it all and more) it must have been even more seductive. Suddenly you have a huge problem before you know it and probably ‘don’t really want to stop it all quite yet’ anyway.

Anyone believe there was truth to the heroin stories? He already was doing crack. I don’t see why it would be much more of a stretch. For some reason heroin has extra stigma and I think people didn’t want to accept that as a possibility when it was hinted in the tabs- but really - he was a total junkie for years. I can’t see him hitting the breaks at heroin. Poor guy was a mess of chemicals for so long.

R63 So please share what you have. Some here obviously seem to be happy when they can insult gm and others and as long as they can stirr in the mud. R62 and R65 obviously missed part I to XII. So go back and read.

R63 I write you what I know tomorrow, maybe there is more that really care about GM here then.

No you won't turn this thread back to shit. Go and create your own thread about gm. How about this all the lovelies that want to talk conspiracy theories about his sex life should move and start their own thread. Problem solved. Back to pr 67, I can understand how he might have become very addictive. People with anxiety do tend to seek relieve from the downing mood of uneasiness they feel. I think anxiety is fear based and depression is lack of control over one's life.

R70. The ignore button has made things so peaceful lol. It’s too back that when kenny went off to rehab - and I think so did Geri around the same time - that George didn’t take a stab at it too. They seemed to have at least survived.

Though no one apparently could tell GM what do do which I’m sure made any therapeutic advice difficult to manage.

It is interesting Kenny looked to have overcame alcoholism or his own substance issues. It seems fame really is disruptive to severity. It is a shame he could not beat his own demons, if he was realistic about his drug use and drinking he probably still be here.

curly hair and big feet outside of a store. OMG! It's George Michael's son! The son of the mystery blond Swedish woman!

Pneumonia is common in opiate addicts

Yes Kenny overcame his alcoholism and maybe his other addictions! Sure Jan! just watch his interviews lol

So kenny made a showing on insta after a long hiatus. Showing off fan art of his dog. Wtf.

Some insta called the George Michael legacy project is slobbering all over the comment section. I looked at the account and it’s all creepy altered pics of George. Clearly nothing official and no mention of actually being a registered charity so...someone’s got a new side income I guess. Where are the family’s pit bull lawyers? Also here is a taste of just one of many bardf worthy comments on Kenny’s latest post:

(I removed the insta handle) :

“@georgemichaellegacyproject you are wonderful. I wish to be part of your team because i love George and @kenny_goss . I feel so grateful to make Kenny happy!!! Thanks and much love to all of you 😘”

Like that the actual eff is wrong with these people and how do they survive life??

It appears too that either none of the fangirls have the balls to ask if he got married or where he disappeared to - or if they did he blocked and deleted.

R76 Saw the trademark approval of that so called charity project. I agree the legal pit bull should be brought to task why a trademark using the name of George Michael ever got through without the lawyers knowing or stopping it.

R70 Who do you think you are to tell people to go out of here or to determine the subjects we discuss here? King of the world, you drama queen? Take your histerical fit and f* off.

R50 So some of you are basically calling gm a liar

Says the person who called George Michael a liar a millions times in part I to XII

I have read this thread all the way, and I for one doesn´t like to go over the addiction and shit another round, and it doesn´t look like many others do eighter, it has been way covered in the previous parts, with a buch of mean talk about GM, the same shit talk you can find loads in arcive threads were you were unhumanly nasty to GM when he was alive, you can´t be stupid enough not to realise he read it, I hope you feel what you deserve, about how you treated him and how you hurt him, I am sure he would have needed something completely different from you, proud of yourselves? SHAME ON YOU!

GM AND HIS SWEDISH WOMAN The Swedish woman, because that is something positive about GM, I am sure the garbage in here, who say they have no interest but can't stop reading, I couldn´t care less what they think, won't stalk if we move on with this topic to a more dignified and adult environment, there is an unused thread called - The George Michael Saga – Let´s meet there to talk. It is way more important that GM had something good in his life than that he slipped up once.

R81 Good idea. Let the loons entertaining themselves with their negative things... I'm sure they are curious enough to follow us.

Looks like the rumor that Kenny got married is not true. The woman who started the rumor was kicked out of the Kenny group on FB. Now that Kenny is back on Insta , it is interesting that none of his fans asked him whether the rumors are true or not

Finally the gm was bi loons have taken my advice and started their own thread elsewhere. So Kenny is not married. Ladies and gentlemen you now see how easily you guys can fall for lies by the gm lunatic fans. Few of them have thankfully been kicked off this thread. It is interesting how celebs attract nutcases that spread false rumors about them or anyone associated with them.

R84 You are just an idiot. No one ever said gm was bi. It's your fantasy and your inability to read and understand what grown-ups are talking about. Go out and play with the racoons.

R84 is an eldergay who thinks everyone is either 100% gay or 100% straight

R86 What a boring life...

Poster 85 you should take your psycho rant to your gatherings of your fellow psycho gang at the George Michael thread. You are not welcomed here. And to the idiot at r86 I am an elder gay you must be really stupid. So anyone who does not agree with your views is an elder gay.

R86 I guess you were spot on... The drama queen has another hysteric fit. R88 You insult everyone who doesn't share your opinion. Your point of view isn't the gospel. Why can't you accept that people see things differently? You haven't got the patent on truth. So stop YOUR rant and let people discuss. Otherwise feel free to leave the thread.

Out of curiosity I’d like to hear about the Swedish Woman & hear about the untold hidden story. See the lovelies are having a rant about the garden again.

Take your Swedish woman conspiracy theory to the gm thread the loon created for you guys. This thread does not deserve to go to shit Because few lovelies want to continue discussing fake rumors.

R91 This thread went to shit the moment you came in here and started insulting people just because your aren't able to read properly or understand different points of view. But feel free to give us the facts YOU know about gm because you were under his bed 24/7. And don't forget to prove the things you write.

R87 like yours? shut up and stop bitching

We can decide for ourselves if it’s a fake rumour or not, don’t need assholes like you making up our minds for us, why don’t you crawl back under the rock you came from

This board went to hell real quick

Making shit up isn't facts. None of you so called lovelies know Jack shit about him. So why don't you idiots take your own advice and stop making shit up. This thread was going great until a few deranged lovelies decided to start discussing fake rumors that gm never mentioned.

R96 So, why don't you share what you know about Jack's relationship to his son? We've completely dissect his whole life meanwhile like we all are complete lunatics without a spark of decency. One story more or less shouldn't be a problem then.

R91 and r96. Again - just hit the ignore button on their posts at the bottom right and they disappear. Then those who are still reasonable can carry on.

I did not mention Jack George father. I meant jackshit meaning you lovelies do not know anything about George life and need to stop making shit up. Thanks r 98 for showing me how to ignore those imbeciles posts. All they have done is derail this thread with their bs conspiracy theories.

R99 why don’t you actually contribute something now vs continuing to bitch about people you have ignored.

I will just ignore you from now on since you have nothing of value to add to the conversation. All you have done is derail this thread with your bullshit made up gossip. How about you stop derailing the thread if you have nothing of truth value to add. Made up shit rumors does not count. I have contributed a lot more than you but since you are a disrupter this thread has been stalled by your ink bs.

The journalism professor who requested the 999 investigation results tweeted more details on who accessed the call, how many times and why. Investigation went nowhere but good read

Andros is teasing something that he will reveal the truth on his FB

What R101 has contributed to Fawaz threads other than unfounded speculations, ruthless bashing a dead singer and cyber bullying and abusing other posters? lol

R104 and R101 Drop it now bitches. You both became redundant.

Andros is threatening to reveal the truth and lies. Focus on that people!

R103 I bet it's about George coming out to his parents and toilet incident and how those things affected his relationship with his family.

Its more about the family, friends, his staff and music industry than George Michael.

R105 I'm not R100

I was posting using my cell phone

Hoaxer poses as George Michael boyfriend Fadi Fawaz and begs for cash

What are the unfounded speculations. At least I am not the nut job encouraging the fake swedish poster. Now back to a new discussion, what do you guys think Andros might reveal that we don't already know.

Andros knows sweet FA

Check out the hashtags on Andros post on Insta - #whogavehimdrugs #iknow #georgemichaeltruth

#whogavehimdrugs

Says the roller!

Considering Andros was credited on one of George’s albums as “chief roller” then maybe he’s talking about himself #WhoGaveHimDrugs that helped gm’s drug problems.

Though I will say again I’ve never liked the looks of David.

Really, David had George's back and never sold him out. During an interview called 'Up close and Personal with GM', George mentions that only two people really knows everything about him. He went on to say David and my sister which neither will every write a book. That came from George's own month, now that cousin and those boyfriends are a whole different subject.

^george let a lot of woke in his life who he thought had his back so...

Woke typo for people ^

LOL George Michael Woke. Not making fun it just made me laugh seeing tis post I really needed that thanks.

Lolol

knowing how much Andros hates Fadi, we know where the who gave him drugs is going to go. But if that is the truth, let it come out. There has been so much secrecy and mystery about the last few years of GMs life. The people around him should have done a lot more to help him and save him

How would Andros know what was going on in George's life when they had not interaction with each other in 18 years.

From their families!

If there's any chance truth will come out it could only come from Andros.He knows a lot. Even The Sun article from 2015 (George is a drug addict) that George denied (not surprisingly, that's what junkies do) turned out to be true. Andros also knows the toxicology report results. He wrote on his FB Jake was shocked by the findings but later deleted it. I believe him even though George said not to.

I don't like Andros for some of the stuff he has done and said, he really has cashed in on George. However, almost all the things he has said have been true. I am not dissing George, love him and everything about him, but he really was in denial about his drug use and told many lies over the years, to cover up his 'real' life and for that we can't blame him. For anyone that has followed him over the years, they will see there are so many contradictions in his interviews. He liked to talk and he liked us to believe what he said, sadly he wanted to paint a picture that wasn't a whole at the same time as telling us about his honesty. But in short, Andros tells truths that George never could.

What exactly that Andros said about George's drug addictions turned out to be true? In fact we don't know if he was on heroin. And when you look at the pictures heroin seems very unlikely. Andros moaned about the toxicology report and the funeral... and as a matter of fact knows nothing. And regarding the funeral: He was the one who wasn't there. He will try to sell George out like before. With no respect for George's elderly father or the rest of the family. He is a liar snd a leech and not Saint Andros who is telling the truth. You insult people for being interested in rumours about George's relationship with this swedish woman and call them loons. And then you buy Andros' stories... Come on!

Will Andros really reveal something or it is to get the attention of the family? This guy seems in need of money and now that his book is not the bestseller he hoped he had and he has sold the Diana tape, is he trying to pressure the family for some gain. Surely seeing these posts the family and Estate lawyers will jump in to stop him. If he was going to reveal something why not just do it instead of posing teasers.

^and sorry fat fingers

Andros must be super pissed his children got nothing while Fadi must have gotten something. Now it is revenge time, baby!

R103 - Andros just removed his "Coming Soon Enough is Enough" post from his Facebook

Did the estate lawyers get to him and shut him up?

{128} No, that Hoe just didn't want to get sued. He aint got no money that is why he posted that. Andros must have though that some tabloids would pick up the post and offer him money for his lies. However after selling those photos of the family to the Sun magazine I am sure the family threaten to sue. Maybe they did file a lawsuit I don't know, this just my option.

Andros is something this is the guy who discussed the extent of George drug addiction to the papers. I remember reading some story told by this guy about George been so hooked that he will be shaking until he got his fix. He also kind of mentioned the ghb stuffs and the side effects it had on George. I wonder how he knew so much of his recent addiction issues, I won't be surprised if he is very chummy with some of George inner social circle. Maybe Alex and co.

Alex isn’t related to George, he’s Andros’s relative

He could still telling Andros things about George.

R132 He wouldn't.

Andros is pulling sh**t out his ass and you guys are saying this information is true. That man will do anything for money and destroy the very man that took care of him and his family. That says a lot about Andros. It would not surprise me tat Andros was jealous of George.

No one said Andros is a saint. It does not mean everything he has said is a lie. None of us have ever been around George but Andros has. Do I think some of what he has stated is overstretching the truth yes. He is a typical family member that betrays, so I am not surprised if he decides to sell his famous cousin for financial gains in the future. George did not help himself by becoming addicted to drugs and other debauchery that he just opened himself up for exploitation by dependant family members and paid companions. I don't know how far his lawyers can silence Andros if he needs to make money.

Of course he still knows stuff. It’s a big huge extended Greek family. (Yes. Yes I know they weren’t blood related but they are still considered that way) Just cause he and George fell out doesn’t mean he was sealed off. Virtually impossible in a world of huge extended family and friends.

And like someone upthread said, andros’ now ex wife had the whole Swiss rehab fully pegged when she talked to the media in 2015. All that was said in response was that it was not true and he’s happy watching Wimbledon. On twitter. That’s the last thing anyone in the public ever heard from George again.. And let’s face it - it was probably David tweeting it from gm’s account. Andros knows lots of shit. Current shit. Old shit new shit. Lots of shit. Trust me. Whether he actually has the balls to share it or will just keep teasing for the social media hits is a whole other thing.

[R316] I fully agree. I didn't think about it but it actually makes a lot of sense that David wrote the last tweet. If the Swiss rehab story wasn't true GM's estate would have done something about it - threaten to sue the papers (or sue Andros wife)/have it taken off/ask the media to retract .

[quote]ex wife had the whole Swiss rehab fully pegged when she talked to the media in 2015.

Her story was bs she said George was very thin in 2015

this is picture of very thin George Michael during Swiss rehab stay!

R138 Read again. When Jacki gave the interview George had already been in rehab for about a year. I quote from the article: Jackie, of Los Angeles, said: “The fact he was in this institution for a year shows how serious his problem had become. One could gain a lot of weight in a year.

Andros tells more truths about George than anyone else. His falling out with Andros was the beginning of the end.

"The Truth" according the gospel of Andros and Jackie... Andros tells bs. Period. And he is blackmailing George's aged father by announcing to publish his fake stories. What other reason could his prior notice have? He want money and he doesn't care about George's reputation or legacy. I hope the family's lawyers will sue him to the ground and he will crawl back under his rock.

I won't state his falling with Andros was beginning of the end. I don't think it would have made much difference if Andros was in his life till the end, I am referring to sobriety. Don't give Andros too much credit for his perceived minimal influence. Let's be honest Andros is another dependant hanger on just like David. The difference is that Andros would have caused more pain by betraying him selling pictures and stories to the tabloid. So I think cutting him out of his life earlier might have been a good thing.

R136 Of course, Andros "knows" a lot of stuff. The huge extended Greek family surely gossips like hell and what ever Andros will come up with as truth are second/third/forth...-hand hearsay stories, which he in return will interpret as he pleases. Didn't he state in his book that even his father and Jack haven't been close anymore for many years? So who are his sources? Certainly not the Panayiotou sisters nor Jack. My guess is indiscrete staff with an agenda. Andros has presented himself as a gifted manipulator many times and he will not stop, but he is loosing credibility as we speak. You can observe that the number of comments on his social media outlets has drastically gone down. He has been a tacky joke for decades and slowly even the dumbest lovelies start to realise that.

R128 just as he has removed the FB post, Andros has edited his Insta post and removed #whogavehimdrugs #iknow etc tags. Obviously somebody got to him. The guy seems a bit desperate for money. Dont think George left anything for his sons. Andros will continue with the "I Love George So Much" to stay in the good books of the Lovelies and try to milk money whichever way. The moment there is nothing to be gained, I bet he will turn on George and spill some dirt to try to make money. Wait and See

Fadi Fawaz

The Media seem to be spreading romour from tomorrow that I have found love again and apprently very much in love with a new partner. I just want to make it clear its all untrue, none of it is the truth and its all lies lies lies.

please don't believe anything you read specially tomorrows news.. All the made up stories about me since day one are getting a bit out of line and very ridiculous. love from me x

Im aware of where its all coming from and why just so I am clear

Fadi will never find love again, which really means Fadi hasn't found a new sugar daddy so he will keep milking his "love" for George as long as he gets paid. How come Fadi has so many Twitter followers. What is so interesting about this guy who could barely put two coherent sentence together. I am sure some of you on dl follow Fadi be honest and you guys are not even part of the lovelies.

Its funny how these individuals claim to loved George are quick to release information about him on-line or in gossip magazines. Andros will stay and do anything for some quick cash. Fadi wants people to remember who he once use to date/sleep with to impress new lovers . Its almost as if this is his selling line to gain a new sugar Daddy. Geri have been quite for the last few weeks and Kenny keeping low just in case that foundation close.

Fadi is taking a more assertive stance now. He knew something was up -- he posted something of a thinly veiled response as soon as Andros posted his threat that he will reveal something.

And now Fadi is taking a preemptive strike against the tabloids and warning his followers already that something will be up tomorrow. He has his ears glued to Andros' activities -- and I won't be surprised that Fadi made some noise in the background that let to Andros retracting his social media posts. Heck, Andros even removed the hashtags from his post!

Last weekend some lunatics "married" KG to a mystery lover. This weekend FF warns his followers not to believe that he has found love again. How weird is this? Who gave him the insider info that such a story is about to be published? FG must have some friends indeed and the conclusion of Andros brewing up some new shit is quite suggestive. My bet is that there will be pictures of FF with another man. So what? This wouldn't be worth mentioning. The story will be that this man has already been around before GM died and you can use your imagination now what conclusions you are supposed to make.

George surrounded himself with all these lying b*tches. Which one of them can be believed? All self-serving leeches who were around him for his money. No wonder the man went to his grave early

R148 and r149 I fail to se how a story about fadi and some new guy = andros

Andros was suggestion much more than that in his now pulled down hashtags.

Also r146 - fadi is a mid-forties unkempt shut-in. Hardly sugar daddy bait anymore.

All stories published about Fadi — not invited to the funeral, to be kicked out REgent Park, book to be published all has Andros as the source . So it is not far fetched for Fadi and others even here on DL to think that this new story will be Andros as well

Fadi was the source of plenty of his own tabloid gossip. And clearly he doesn’t know how to keep a dignified silence either. And what’s the big deal if he does have a new man? Why is that so scandalous? Why bother issuing a denial.

R153 You must have missed the entire first half of 2017.

What's the big deal if F has a new man? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Unless the tabs turn it into something

You must be a cunt. ^

I am sure Fadi wants to milk his association with George into a book deal or reality show in the future. I am just suggesting why he might deny seeing someone else, he needs the lovelies financial support and attention.

R156 Your statement that Fadi needs the Lovelies is false. You do know that Fadi blocked hundreds and hundreds of lovelies around end March/early April - including those who supported him. That’s why many lovelies turned against him and supported Alex.

Fadi does not care for the Lovelies; otherwise he won’t do a mass block of them. He is not Kenny who needs the Lovelies for fundraising.

R156 Fadi is financially independent and doesn't need the lovelies' money at all. Who needs an eternal association with GM to make a living? Andros, Alex and Kenny. Not Fadi.

^Financially independent?? How? The guy who said he is penniless and does not have money for water and milk etc...... Now he is financially independent and does not need any association with GM?

What talent or skill does he have that can bring him money. The guy was gm keptboy while he was alive. The fact he is looking for financial settlement from gm family contradict the independent guy image r 157 is suggesting. He will milk his association with gm into some form of Fame for himself in the future.

Shaking my head at how these people ^ always take what Fawaz says so literally! Stupid and crazy people are rampant in the GM fandom

Yeah keep on deluding yourself in your keptboy belief because that is the only thing you have argued thus far. Jealous much that he was with GM and not you?

R 161 you are nut and how much is Fadi paying to defend him. You seem like one of those fadi fan that also follows him on Twitter. You did not even try to answer other people's issues with Fadi instead you just resorted to childish fan bullshit. Why would I and others in this thread be jealous of Fadi. Let me guess we are jealous because he found his lover dead and few suspect he might have something to do with his death. Sure we are so jealous of a aging male prostitute and his baggage.

None of you know anything about Fawaz. You don't know for sure he was a 'kept boy' You don't know what his relationship with GM was like, You don't know if he has another partner or not, You don't know how he makes his money, You don't know if he has an arrangent with the family, is looking for a settlement, was left money in the will or anything about his situation. None of you know anything.

R 163 calm the fuck down Fadi fangurl, you don't know anything about Fadi either. Most of us are in agreement that Fadi is intellectually dumb as a rock. He sure knows how to use his "skill" to bag troubled rich middle-aged men.

R161 seems to be IG (Intelligent Gossip on Twitter). She's always everywhere to defend his ass no matter what. I wouldn't be surprised if she's paid by him. No point in arguing with her.

Don't know much about Fadi and don't give a shit. He can date and fuck whoever he wants. Why would anybody even care? I just hope he leaves GM's family alone.

R165 Doesn;t seem like it. writes differently.

BTW. Have you checked Andros ecommerce shop? He only has his book and tshirts, which are all outofstock. Wonder why? Don't tell me the Lovelies have been buying Andros tshirt?

R163 This is a gossip site. None of us know real facts about anybody or anything. But people who are reasonably intelligent can make educated guesses about other people. Fadi one can safely guess has no means of making money and depended on GM for his income and living. It came from his own mouth, Everything was cut off after Dec 25 2016. I dont have money to buy flowers for GMs grave or for food etc. FF himself tweeted that did he not? A guy with independent means will still live in GMs house and drive his car? Why would that be? So when you defend him do it with facts if you are such a factual person.

People tried to say that Alex Georgiou's choice of viewing on youtube was harmless and didn't matter. They might want to check out this video and comments underneath. All of them. (I'll copy them below too.)

This is Georgiou's real YT account is it not? Could he have been hacked? I think unlikely considering everything is still there after so many months.

I can't understand some of what this guy is saying because of his accent (I think he is Irish). Maybe someone here can make better sense. But I can get enough of it to know it's pretty bad and homophobic.

As well as this he's 'liked' a video from this guy hating on Bono and U2. I think Davo may be against the RED foundation that Bono helped set up. (On his current Twitter he's attacked the RED organisation which is an international AIDS charity.) The same organisation that did a fundraiser selling their own shirts around Christmas time, and was approved by the estate.

Georgiou also has a taste for videos that are so racist and intolerant they carry warnings.

I cannot believe that some people think this guy should be publicly 'representing' George Michael. This is disgusting and totally against what George believed in.

Alex speaking to his 'pal' Davo Rock, extreme homophobic intolerant blogger:

Alex Georgiou 8 months ago thanx Davo the truth God Bless u

Davo Rock 8 month ago Thank you Alex, I appreciate that.

Alex Georgiou 8 months ago your welcome mate I always respect a man who has real conviction for the truth and not scared to say it that's the trouble in the world today to many cowards conforming to lies your a brave man Davo repect to u

(second conversation)

Davo Rock 6 months ago (edited) ...Yes Satan kill George Michael. In fact all death comes into the world via Satan and the fall. The ruling class get their authority from him, they are the one's pulling the string. The royals are the British Pop house. They Created the Beatles through their Masonic house with one purpose. To destroy Christianity and usher in the age of Thelma. GOD IS DEAD THE GODDESS IS ALIVE. All goddesses= Lucifer female aspect. "Mother Mary comes to me" Lucy in the sky with demon's? "The wind cries Mary" Jimmy Hendrix... To say Prince Charles did not kill George Michael and that it was Satan, is as if to say, Judas did not betray Jesus it was Satan. In that case everything man does out of selfishness and greed he can blame on Lucifer...

Alex Georgiou 6 months ago well said Davo noone can argue with that best wishes pal keep on

Davo Rock 6 months ago Nice one Alex. Have you seen this video. Ex-Illuminati Banker Exposes The Elite - In English Audio - Ronald [Bernard]... If not please watch I think you will be amazed. The Truth is making a come back!

Alex Georgiou 6 months ago not yet pal but i will whats wrong with people Davo theres so much sickness going on in the world its in our faces day and night and thanx for people like u who research and take time to educate people about the lies...

^What a nutcase this Alex is. Is that really his account? How did GM employ this guy all these years? Somebody should report this to the Estate and sisters

Alex is a nutcase but why are you cyber-stalking him?

R171 I don't even follow him and came across those comments very much by chance after seeing what others had said, and trying to verify for myself because it sounded very disturbing. That was the first video I landed on and Alex's comment heading the list. I don't bother going through everything. He might have made more comments on other videos. I haven't checked. But it's all out there in public and he put his name to it. If you google Davo Rock's theories about the 'gay global agenda' the rest comes out. I am not going to do anything more on the matter or continue on this thread. But there you have it.

It is hard to believe homophobic Alex worked for a prominent gay man. He must have hid his homophobic tendencies from George or he knew but could not get rid of him because he knew too much about him. It must have been hell surrounded by users that will talk to the media if he got rid of them.

Not trying to defend Alex - ok maybe I am a bit but I see it more as trying to understand him - but I have a sense based on alex’s Other interactions that he’s not the brightest bulb. Here he’s agreeing with some bizarre Illuminati type theory that is barely coherent to an intelligent person. Almost the same time last year he had tweeted that fadi needed further investigation regarding George’s death. I don’t think there’s any question he loved george. I just think he is a not too bright guy (to say the least) that lost his emotional security and safety that he got while George was alive and is clinging to anything without comprehending what he’s actually aligning with. It’s like looking for answers after the rug got pulled out from him. Whether it’s this freak, the manipulative lovelies he befriended and let into George’s home or who knows what else. Trying to find meaning in chaos. I think George and his generosity kept a lot of people going who would have been on the fringes otherwise. Now he’s gone and they are flailing. I just don’t see the evidence that he’s bright enough to get what he’s agreeing with above. Doesn’t make it right but I think he’s fairly harmless and really lost.

^”incoherent to an intelligent person”. Typo

^cancel that oops.

R174 I get you and that's why I made allowances in the past. But when you see what that group is currently doing, it all seems very questionable. It's not something George would ever have affiliated himself with, no matter what. But now we have fools on Twitter actively involved saying such things as 'yes its what he hated but he’s not here anymore so let all do what they want'. The estate officially approved the RED charity fundraiser in George Michael's name, while the 'caretaker' of his house, land and property openly supports on social media hate and opposition to that cause. Shouldn't be acceptable and should really be brought under better control, though I know they've had other issues to deal with. It is well known how strongly George felt about these things and whatever they intend, is disservice to his name and memory whichever way you look at it.

What's the deal with GM fans arguing among themselves about Toniakats pimping George.

Alex Georgiou no other relevance to me anyhow so... guten tag. Matter for estate to deal with and those who call themselves 'fans'.

Either because of his stupidity or lack of brains, Alex is tied to the hip with his lovelies, even allowing his garden gnomes to post for him. Heard that when he gets drunk or high, his main garden gnome grabs his phone and posts for him.

Just look at the HUGE difference in how he posts sometimes. The top is obviously his - notice the punctuation, capitalization, and grammar. But the second post is obviously not him! The difference is like night and day!

Which brings us the question: are Alex's posts really his opinion? Or is someone using him?

Had a chuckle when I saw this on FB. Toniakats does not understand copyrights!

Someone asked if there is copyright issue in using the image of GM in a pendant. The woman is suggesting that they can start selling GM pendants

I hope that the estate start controlling GM's intellectual properties so these peddlers stop what they are doing

I got to admit at first I thought Toniakats is doing whatever she's doing out of pure love for George. I think now she's doing it for fame. She loves the connections w GM family and uses her friendship w Alex (who's very very innocent ) to get closer to everything GM more than any other fan. So she forsure feels superior but of course pretending not to. The keyrings she sells for charity, why do they have to be engraved w her group name #freedom4gm on them ? Only ones I admire for their hard work in the Garden and humbleness are the twins Heidi and Helen.

Shouldn’t that stuff be easy to shut down? I guess the family feels it’s harmless until they are ready to deal with it? Or afraid these hardcore types will turn on his memory?

Seems like they are also flailing around without George’s controlling direction and nature. None of them likely had to fend for themselves once the big money started rolling in years ago. Probably not equipped to deal with this stuff. I get that people say the one sister is all brash and sassy but that’s usually just a cover for insecurity. Certainly not taking the bull by the horns for their brothers memory.

I met Alex several times in early to mid 2000s when I visited London for GM’s birthday. And every time I saw him, he was high as a fuck.

^oh geez. Like boss, like employee I guess.

I think one of Alex problems is that he wants to give the impression he was GM bestie and closest when he actually didn´t know GM very close at all, and don´t know a whole lot about him. I´m sure GM never let him that close, why would he when he only let a couple of persons really close in his entire life and how close were they actually? Alex know this and that might make him hate a part of GM for not giving him what he desired the most. I think Alex tries to find out things about GM to use as his own knowledge about GM, maybe a family trait, even if Alex might not go straight to the Sun with it, at least not as long as he can stay in the house looking like GM bestie. But is he bright enough to not let it be manipulated out of him without even realizing it, maybe that is the reason for some of the headlines, combined with Alex own hate based on jealousy towards some other persons close to GM that GM trusted and was close to for real. You only have to look at whom GM brought with him and who was always left behind as the employee he was, he can´t even provide a work description for what he is doing in the house beside taking care of GM old dog. If you ever wonder if Alex knew GM, look at him running like a cock in a chicken/lovelies farm/scrapyard and not realize that the chickens call the shoots and manipulate him embarrassingly, making him support, even drunk to the papers, the most undignified and unsuitable embarrassment ever to who GM was and his legacy, as Alex wants people to believe he knew, yea right.

Alex and Andros's father's are brothers. In one interview, Andros said he put Alex in place around GM. Curious about Alex's family? Is he not married? Does he have family of his own? We saw him in the 25Live videos as the PA. From when has he been living in Highgate?

R187 You are right about Highgate, I have no idéar if he lives there, it was just an assumption based on previous who said he let people in the house. But if he doesn´t live there where does the dog live? I really don´t know anything about Alex except what it looks like, not really interested eighter.

^As a poster said Upthread Alex looks desperately lonely, misguided and not so bright. That is why wondering about a family of his own and some support network

So many hanger on so many dependants that he created a livelihood for. Now that he is gone some of them might have to get a life of their own. It is interesting that none of them had a family of their own especially David and this Alex guy since they were the straight ones around him.

Shit is about to go down.

Anticlimactic though, in the sense that I thought his big reveal will be done through a paid interview or a book. But jeez, it will be via Twitter.

Sorry to break the hearts of those who have been betting he wants money in exchange for info --if he actually pushes through with it. Looks like F will do it on his own terms, not because he was paid for it like Kenny or Andros.

Nothing here. Move along, kiddos.

In the end, more cryptic tweets with no secrets revealed.

R191 Fadi fangurl you're a joke just like he is. He's not going to reveal anything.Just provoking as always. It's attention seeking time he hasn't gotten some in a while..

I don't care how 'simple minded' Alex may be. He has to know those videos he sits around watching while supposed to be looking after the house are gay bashing. With hate ridden and vulgar language.

He may have got away with it all up to now because Greek families are known for their loyalty to family. Even if the Georgious are not directly related to the Panayiotous, it appears they are treated as such because of their shared heritage/history. Perhaps George knew he has issues but took him in out of kindness. Or perhaps he has deteriorated in mental state in the last year or so, in which case he needs some help.

At any rate, I think he needs to take a step back. As for the others, the attention seems to have gone to their heads and now they think they have license to do anything without basic accountability, and nobody fit to oversee it.

It is good to be a celebrity that even people that used to fuck them also have fangurls. There are enough damaged people that become fans of the bedwrench.

Please Tune with me it seems. F*ck You Fadi. He is nothing more than an attention-seeking whore. George with all the dope and drugs lost his judgement over the years. What he saw in this guy and all the others he surrounded himself with for the last decade of his life one wonders. His family must have found it agonizing to watch, but he was too stubborn and set in his ways for them to do anything.

It is like he self sabotage his career. Has anyone read a tabloid story that the car accident might be blackmailing. I really don't know how true it is but it caught me by slight surprise. Yes I know the papers make shit up.

I never heard that blackmail story in any detail. To explain what the situation was.

I heard about some videos of him though that he’d never want out and there was blackmailing for that. . He also admitted he had been paying off a male prostitute for years who was blackmailing him.

Why pay off a male prostitute when you are out and had several sex scandals. This does not make any sense at all.

A bombshell report out of the US sensationally suggested [bold]George Michael was blackmailed to the point of suicide by dodgy characters he let into his life during his years battling depression and addiction issues.[/bold]

According to American publication The National Enquirer, the Wham! star – who passed away on December 25 – [bold]was facing threats from unnamed greedy acquaintances[/bold]

Shock report: 'Why George Michael really died'

A bombshell report out of the US sensationally suggests George Michael was blackmailed to the point of suicide by dodgy characters he let into his life during his years battling depression and addiction issues.

According to American publication The National Enquirer, the Wham! star – who passed away on December 25 – was facing threats from unnamed greedy acquaintances

Adding to the sad picture of George's last days, the report also quotes friends as slamming George's partner Fadi Fawaz as a 'fame whore' who would party with George, and allegedly failed to stop some of his more destructive behaviour.

'George was trapped, and backed into a corner,' his friend Sham Ibrahim tells the Enquirer. [bold]'Fadi enabled him in every way possible.'[/bold]

Sham says Fadi, who admitted to sleeping in his car the night George died at the age of 53, '[bold]was only interested in George for fame and money'.[/bold]

Another source adds, 'If Fadi was sleeping in the car, it suggests that George didn’t want him in the house'.

While the autopsy results are expected to take weeks,[bold] insiders say that in his final months, George’s drug use spiralled out of control and he 'became obsessed with dying'.[/bold]

Fadi has slammed reports he and George were estranged at the time of death, posting a string of Tweets expressing his dismay over George's tragic death.

LOL National Enquirer ... enuff said ! Anyone who remotely think of them as a source should get their heads examined

^agree to a point but you are being a bit too closed on that (and insulting to whoever posted the article) they have blown the lid of many scandals. John Edwards comes to mind. And to the “this makes no sense at all” poster about the male prostitute blackmail- it came out of George’s mouth. How the fuck would you know the nature of the blackmail to be so insistent otherwise.

Perhaps if there are still dodgy characters threatening to expose things,, this is some of the debris the family spoke about needing to clear up.

It’s not like they go away once the famous wealthy person dies.

[203] Bitch you don't have get angry. I suggest you get of this board and live in the real world. Stop living though GM you fat loser.

R205. Calm the fuck down lovelies. You should take your own advice and stop visiting this board.

The national enquirer did not state anything new we didn't already know. Maybe the suicide claim but it is not hard to believe. I know the source is a trashy tabloid, there are tit bits of what we discuss in other threads mentioned in the story. I see some of you want this sanitized image of him that he was in control of his life to the end and are in denial about how much of a mess his life might have been the last few years. Blackmail might be possible with all the doggy characters he surrounded himself with, you have fadi and all the porn star gangs. I am a fan of his music but I won't get defensive about the possibility his life wasn't peaches and roses towards the end.

The "friend" Sham Ibrahim is an attention and fame whore for sure.

R205 . Perhaps you should go back to your Facebook group where your intensity is more appreciated.

Why so quiet here? Did everybody run away to some other thread :-P

All fawning over Fadi on twitter

Maybe few posters who tend to defend him might be fawning over him on Twitter. This thread is generally not Fadi friendly. I guess there is nothing to discuss about gm for a while so this thread will eventually get boring.

So George'gave' Mr F a song ! Wow Fadi I'm jealous NOT... The will must be settled or close to being settlef as Fadi has come out of hibernation. Yeah Fadi you 'found' George dead on Christmas day after you had spent the night at Regents Park where you actually lived FACT.....George was kind enough to allow you to live there. Right to the end George was such a kind man. Come on insiders speak up give George the respect he deserves let him finally rest in peace expose the leeches and liars.

R 213 does not like fadi at all. The feeling is mutual about fadi. I really don't know what is going on since I don't follow any of his kept men or leaches. I guess we will wait until a new song is released. I really do not want to read about fadi or others.

R214 You don't want to read about Fadi yet you are in the Fadi thread.

Go to the George Michael Saga thread, where they talk of GM's Swedish mistress and lovechild

(R214) It's not about liking or disliking Fafi it's about. facts and truths to be told. Fadi wants all to believe he was George's lover when he simply wasn't, they had an arrangement and even that was tenious. I and many other's are fed up of the untruths spewing forth from Mr F's mouth. The sympathy he tries to garner is pathetic the attention seeking pitiful. Cannot wait for the day when his liies are exposed for all to see. He didn't give a sh*t about George's failing health in the latter part of 2016--in fact for most of 2016- and there are a couple of 'insiders' who will hopefully tell all soon. All Fadi's sycophants will be scurrying away like rats on a sinking ship.. He was the Debris and alwsys will be.He was from the moment he found George, the emergency call delay,not having decency to phone George's family and so on.

R213 So George'gave' Mr F a song ! -> what is this about? Is this what Fadi is claiming on his Twitter account? The family and friends dont think much of this guy, seeing the way they have not reached out to him at all. If his story of George and him being inseparable was true, that would not have been the case. When the family reached out to Kenny before he gave those Sun interviews and have spoken about Anselmo, why would they not reach out to Fadi if what he is saying is true? But they are not exposing his lies because they are running scared of the secrets of the last years he might reveal.

R216 Preach your own lies

‘A leech a liar a monster’: Fadi Fawaz confesses struggles after George Michael death

George Michael secretly donated $500,000 to HIV AIDS charity

Fadi can do a lot of damage if he does not receive some form of compensation to keep his mouth shut. He knew a lot about the last year of gm life. Unfortunately gm did not surround himself with people who truly cared about him. By the way above poster I will never visit that psychotic thread, that Swedish poster is nuts. It just gets boring after a while discussing fadi the more his name is mentioned the more hate most of us will have for him. Why do I have a feeling they got into a fight more verbal like bobby and Whitney and fadi might have pushed him over the edge. Again I feel like I am about the bring up the subject of blackmail. I really don't know what happened just like most of us.

How do you know the family did not reach out to Fadi? What makes you think they called Kenny first? Is it because Kenny said so. If that's the case then he's a backstabber just like the fake cousin of George.

You speak of Fadi being exposed, but I believe all of their secrets will be expose. Those Kenny fans will lose their mind when the truth comes out. George life and lies really started going out of control in 1998 to the point that many people seem the have forgotten about his talent. George became known for his scandals and Kenny painting himself as this long suffering boyfriend (bullshit). There are photos of Kenny signing autographs as if he was famous. For what fucking George give me a break.

Fadi is an idiot and you guys are giving him to much credit. This dummy did not know George's day of birth nor his real name and you guy are posting he is blackmailing the family. The same Fadi that repost a post from a DL troll about a book. That Fadi has now become this conniving person that holds all the cards.

You guys talk about that Swedish story sounding dumb, but this story of Fadi being this clever person is just as ridiculous.

R222. You make some valid points but don't underestimate fadi because he sounds dumb. He still has some leverage over the family because he can sell what he knows to the tabloid if they don't financially compensate him.

...or if they keep on treating him (F)like they’re obviously doing...Very very dumb to underestimate him. Maybe it’s not even about money!IF what F claims is all true&G gave a few valid”presents”to him because he thought it was safe with his partner there’s not a lot the”estate”&the holy family (cousins&friend)can do to obtain these highly wanted gifts!!Maybe G wasn’t so “deluded” as some here&elswhere (on social media)are claiming and till the last day was very well aware of what should happen to his music.Maybe he believed it was safe with his partner.The future will tell if he was right!!

I am going to need Quincy Jones to speak on this matter because he knows everything.

Why would he give his music to fadi now this theory is insane. He must have not been in his right mind to do such a thing. Keptboys are supposed to be compensated financially with gifts and money. It is impossible one, they were never married, fadi has no legal right over his work. All he will get will be money and I don't think he can claim one of his property since they were never again legally recognised as a couple or he states in his will that fadi gets one of his house.

R 226 But how on earth would you know all that? FGS who says F was a keptboy?There’s not any proof of that other than what dislikers are claiming and that mainly bc a few jealous pple like former pa Alex or the deluded “cousin”Andros’ don’t think highly of F??? I’m very impressed about the disrespect a few of you have for that”foolish”GM...NOT!!! Maybe it’s true that F has no legal right over his work but why should others have if his látest work is not even in their possession.Since they fell out Andros has hardly stopped spreading unfinished music of G all over the internet without too many problems.How do you explain that? Some people seem to think éverything can be bought with money,I’m not totally convinced,call me naïve then,I don’t care! Again ,I’m convinced that F isn’t as dumb as most of you want to believe.He’s a healthy 42 yr old man&”the only one living in his LiFe”&probably vm capable to provide for himself,only not prepared 2 disappear in silence (and right he is)although the HF would very much prefer that!His tweets about being left without nothing were pure sarcasm!A bit naïve of the F-bashing fairytale K- LoVeLies 2 think F suddenly overnight became a beggar...maybe wishful thinking fir many but far from reality I’m quite sure!

Didn’t George give Princess Diana “Older” ahead of its release? I think it is the same thing.

GM has the habit of giving a copy of his music to people he loves. I heard Fadi got a copy of White Light before it’s release

I think it is the same thing. Except this time GM is no longer here to finish and release the album that he gave to Fadi

R 227 English is clearly not your strong suite. I have no idea half of what you are stating. From what I have read you seem like a fadi fan with no knowledge of what is going on with fadi. I am sure you follow him on Twitter. Most of us do not care for fadi and your fadi theory of been left a song or songs is ridiculous. Like the poster above have stated there is a possibility the song was not finished so it might not be as valuable. Besides it seems George was not in the right frame of mind to write or produce a full album towards the end of his life.

[229] I thought something was wrong with my glasses. I can handle understand what [227] is saying.

R227 Fado is not as healthy at it seems

[quote]Besides it seems George was not in the right frame of mind to write or produce a full album towards the end of his life.

R229 Wow! You have proof GM was not in the right frame of mind? You certainly have beliefs with no basis or even connection to the truth

I know you drove away the person posting on the secret child of GM. One thing I find interesting is that there seems to be discussion in Australian press about the secret baby, but not UK press. I have found several Aussie publications that talked about it

One thing I find fascinating about this is that this would have happened around the time of Andros. So why is he not opening his big mouth about it? Is it because if there is a child, the chances of his kid getting anything flies out the window?

She does exist I know her name .

Go back to your other thread and don't fuck off this thread with your bullshit. Bitch go back. Most of us are not here for the delusional lovelies. Fraus be gone. You are not going to derail this thread with fake rumors and take the poor grammar Swedish nut job with you.

How do you define fake rumors? Just because you don’t believe in it? Your Fadi is a keptboy argument is also a rumor, supported by Andros interview. So talking about the secret baby — which several publications have written about — should be fair game

I’ve watched all these threads & won’t hide the fact I’m a GM fan nor be made to feel guilty for adoring a musical genius. As they say there is no smoke without fire & couldn’t give a shit whether or not he fathered a child. If he did fair play to him.

R234 You can't control the conversations in here fuck off bitch

R234 = nasty bully-queen

I’m wondering why “Adonis” aka Andros hasn’t spilled, perhaps his web of lies has on his FB Page that he conveniently hid is a referral to this so called child revelations

Andros should really know about GM's mystery child! Wasn't he always soooo close to him? If he can't deny it's existence for sure he might need to admit, that they weren't really soooo close as he would have loved to. Why doesn't anybody simple ask him?

Andros is a nut job, only thing he wanted to get soooo close to was GM ass, got rejected and had difficulty dealing with it, hence the leaks to the media

Shouldn't some of you lovelies be on a leach somewhere. Go back to your other thread freaks. So now andros has to come to the rescue of you nutjobs or else we might think most of you need to be in a mental institution.

Might be you’re the Übernutjob here R 242 + a controlling bully! I never have&will understand why a few on here are so interested in all things big mouth Andros is saying or is supposed to know...He’s the biggest(envious)nutjob of them all who’s name(according to F)couldn’t be called out loud in G’s house in years(18)still there’s a part of GM”fans”(don’t know how to call them ,but ”critical observers” may be more appropriate)who tend to believe him while he’s a tabloid on his own! I say it for the last time”: F IS,WAS & WILL always BE the last person who was at G’s side during his last days on this earth wheather dislikers,haters,envious people,suspicious”LoVeLies”,the family,”close”friends,so called”cousins”&sell-out ex-lovers like it or not there’s simply no denial!!Poor G who had to deal with all this during his LiFe&even now when he’s gone the speculation doesn’t stop but at least he’s no longer here to have to undergo this.No wonder he became a recluse!!

R243 I agree with you. The only truth everybody is afraid to come out is as to why GM chose to become a recluse in Goring, away from the toxic environment of Highgate. It certainly wouldn't be a pleasant portrait of the so called friends and inner circle plus certain parts of the (extended) Greek family. Further more they certainly don't want the truth about their behaviour after GM's and during the long wait for the funeral to be exposed to the public.

R 244 I think,quite sure,that you hit the nail on the head!!I even think that if F would open his mouth about”the situation”in the family around the time of G’s death a few other skeletons would fall out of the cupboard!:( If you use only your common sense it’s not that difficult yo come to this conclusion.I think the contact between G & his close family(+D) wasn’t the best during the last months of G’s LiFe maybe partly because of F(who they obviously didn’t approve of)but that’s their problem&maybe because of Andros who was trying 2 come closer near the family again(which G didn’t approve of)The reason why Alex spoke so badly of F at several occassions on twitter(&also to a part of the visiting”LoVeLies”mainly in Highgate)must be just to get a part of the fans on his hand,especially fans who didn’t need too much persuasion regarding F bc they already disliked him for one biased reason or another!So much division in the P family that’s for sure¬ entirely unthinkable either,happens in the best of families & even more after a(rich)family member passes away.All very sad but true!

R243 i am not a nut job unless you are. I don't have issues with reality and I am not the one spreading fake rumor in this thread. Those lovelies do not have a firm grip on reality in pertaining to their idol. The anti fadi poster is the real nut trolling this thread with false rumors and the writing style seems familiar. You raised some valid points that I have been stating from the beginning that fadi cannot be underestimated because he knows a lot. That is a fact. Celebs attract two types of fans, the well adjusted and the latter that have lost touch with reality and now spread fake rumors. You can be critical but you have to be careful because you are just a fan.

You’re right I was&am just an average,”normal”,I hope”well adjusted”GMfan that would never have tried 2 get near my”IdoL”2 try 2 know everything about his private LiFe or do everything or even travel to LDN 2 be waiting before his house for a signature as that wasn’t relevant for me.If in any interview he talked well controlled about certain aspects in his private LiFe that was allright by me but it stopped there!I just adored his music,his voice&the stories&personal feelings GM shared in that way. The reason why I posted here&tried to preserve integrity on social media regarding F is because I can’t stand injustice&prejudice based on envie,rumours&apparently disliking someone’s face! BeFore a Dutch interview once the interviewer asked G’s manager which Q’s he was allowed to ask or what he was allowed to talk about&G’s manager answered”You’re allowed to ask him éverything,if he doesn’t want to answer you he won’t that’s for sure!” Well,that about sums it all up for me too!

It was always the weeds and sleeping pills George claimed. At some point if he had been honest with himself, he could have still been here

Maybe he wasn't in denial at least towards the end of his life. I do believe the drug was a way for him not to deal with his issues. It was an escapism sort of in regards to his career and other issues.

^In that Red Line interview he was talking about MJ and Prince and referred to Madonna and himself as "sane". GM said he had issues with substance addiction, but not as severe as others. That was still denial

That is a weird way to live life without any serious self awareness or self evaluation. I do believe he had moments of oh shit when it came to his addiction issues especially the fact that he spent almost a year at the swiss rehab. Maybe he was ashamed of admitting he has serious issues publicly but privately feared that his addiction might ruin him. If we look at the m1 accident and ambulances called to his home. Maybe he did not want to stop using because that meant he had to face his addiction issues and other issues he had. Like i stated earlier post drug was probably an escapism.

I see are answering ourselves again sad

Alex unearthed Fadi's tweet about the Maldives story -- and tweeted this gem!

Either Alex is beyond stupid to seemingly confirm the story, but he backtracks a bit and sang the classic Fadi line: LIES! LIES!

R253 This confirms my suspicion of Alex being beyond stupid. I doubt he discovered this old troll story from six months ago on his own. Someone must have been feeding him with this stuff and he happily accepts it and blasts it out into the wild on Twitter. Someone tweeted to him, he is just digging his own grave and this guy might be right. Funny, that Alex is never critized for his appalling English, btw.

Interesting. Alex should also talk about the M1 if that was GM’s suicide attempt

IF provoked I think Alex may enlighten us with some truths. He clearly has a temper he has difficulty in controlling when FF is mentioned. I’ve seen his tweets & when challenged was he quick to backtrack....priceless

Alex may be in the “closet”.....perhaps he’s envious he wasn’t GM object of desire

Paul Mac joined in the action too

This man music legacy has come down to a stupid garden and loser hanger on trying to sell a story for some drugs. Meanwhile David Bowie who had sex with an underage girl is being remember for HIS MUSIC and not his past indiscretions. I guess this is why Ed received a MBE before George and being held to a held in high esteem in his twenties. I guess that is why homophobic Dire Straits made it into the Rock N' Roll Hall Fame and Jermaine Dupri into the Song Writers' Hall of Fame before George fucking Michael. I see why his family is keeping a low key on his legacy due to these snakes. All of which GM did this to himself. If anyone post that GM did not care about these thing, then you have never seen an interview of him discussing his place in music. This is really sad because the man was talented and gifted, but its look over due to his scandals. I just hate that Boy George have a chance to rewrite his story to the point that his scandals will be forgotten like Elton, Freddie and David.

One last point. When GM died a music critic stated that George is density to be forgotten. While another music critic stated maybe in fifty year George will began to seen as a music genius. These are some sad quotes but seeing how the crowed he choose latch on to, I can understand their statements.

In all the awful wrangle after G’s death between Alex&Fadi(mostly caused by Alex),the outsellers Andros&Kenny&all the true or untrue stories that emerged since...I just don’t understand why the family or David aren’t intervening & prefer to remain keeping siilent in the hope it’ll all calm down one day!If the family has some kind of integrity they could easily put an end to all this speculation&shameful behaviour on many parts to preserve G’s reputation! I’m quite sure this’ll néver happen though as it must be(almost no doubt about it)Fadi knows things they want to never éver see the daylight so the fact that Alex managed to get most”LoVeLies”on his side is better for them as it distracts the biggest part of the GM fans from the real issues,namely those that were obviously there between GM&his close family...I’ll say it once again:what an absolutely awful situtation&indeed”debris”has been left behind after G’s untamely death!!:-(( By the way Alex tweeting that F is still “squiting”in G’s home in RP is hilarious....Isn’t Alex doing exactly the same in G’s Highgatehouse then?Talking about hypochrism!!!

[260] I wish the family would step aside and allow new management to clean this mess up. Someone who will stop these Lovelies from using his image for profit and to take away Alex and Fadi twitter account.

So his lack of recognition is due to homophobia. Not surprised that been openly unapologetically gay caused him a due legacy. I think he was deeply conflicted about his legacy on one hand he acted like he did not give a fuck anymore due to his action with the drugs and male hookers and the other hand he seems to care about how people perceived him as an artist. In the states here he is almost forgotten which is sad because he was such a talented man.

[262] This is true because here in the United States he is remember for the bathroom incident which is sad. I often wonder why George received so much shit for being gay, while Eton, Ricky and NPH were welcome with open arms. Hell people are now putting Boy George on this pestle for being a gay meanwhile there are people making nasty comments about him on his videos pages on YouTube. Also there are memes of mocker of his death and being called a f****.

I think part of the resentment was because George was seen as a sex symbol to straight women. While Elton John, nph was never seen as sexy to women and were none threatening to straight men. George had a certain masculine sexuality that straight women in America were attracted to and him coming out felt like betrayal. It all boils down to his sexuality and the way he was outed. It was also a different time when any homosexual expression was not really accepted especially from a famous pop star. He was outed for soliciting cock which was too extreme for his straight U.S. fans. He was too out there and they were no longer as interested. If he had bearded and stay closeted and focused on his music he might just have gotten the due respect he deserved in the states. He did not play the game and his career suffered for it.

Thanks [264] everything you posted was so true and sad at the same time.

Americans are ok with gay men as long as they are not overtly aggressive in the way they project their sexuality like gay sex. Most straights do not want to listen to a famous popstar discuss cruising and having sex with alleged 500 men in a few years. That kind of discussion will distract the straight fans from enjoying the artist work.

I’m UK based & been a GM fan since he burst into the music scene with Wham. I kinda knew in the 80’s he was gay & had absolutely no issues with his sexuality, even when he was ousted. Didn’t bother me that he made “headlines”. For me it was all about his music & that’s what he should be remember for and deserves.

Elton John couldn’t be sexy if he even tried lol. I’m straight btw & never looked down upon George for “soliciting cock”, his life, his choice. However, getting back to what this thread is about, think GM family ought to rein in Alex or have him sectioned, he appears to have serious issues with FF,think he’s on the brink of a breakdown !

It really bug me when people say I already knew George was gay, when he did not fully know this until Anselmo . That is why when GM was outed it caused a media frenzy back in 1998. The subject of sleeping with 500 men did not come from GM, its a quote from Piers Morgan.

Alex and Fadi's mutterings on twitter aren't going to do anything to tarnish George's musical legacy, or his reputation. The only people taking any notice of these two idiots is the minority community on here and the few obsessive fans on twitter.

Homophobia iwas strong then (yes it still is) but Lets not forget that George himself said his career in North America was over long before - several years- the bathroom incident. The Sony case people. They pulled his cds- old and not so old - right out of distribution - everything they had rights to and they also influenced airplay. I remember when the bathroom arrest came up thinking where has he been all this time? Retired? Jesus to a child / Older in 96 barely made an impact. So from 93 to about 98 he was out of commission in the USA. He said himself that it was that vs homophobia- his career was already over in the USA. The arrest and unfair homophobic portrayal as a pervert and gay man in the puritanical American media of the time nailed the coffin for his career but it ended years before

It is interesting that prince career survived sony lawsuit but George career suffered more. I remembered very well prince also took Sony to task when he changed his name to a symbol and put slave on his forehead. I guess he was right when he later admitted that the Sony thing was a waste of time. His music will definitely need to be reintroduced to a new generation here in the states. I still believe that homophobia made it worst that he could not survive the ordeal and make a comeback here in the states.

R269 - Piers Morgan put that story in one of his books years before George died. George never denied it and Piers was on his list of 30 people he was following on Twitter. Would that be the case if Piers had made it all up?

R259 - another wrong comment. No, David Bowie did not sleep with that woman who says she was underage. That story has been proven to be impossible - no supporting evidence that she even met him, doesn't fit the known history, etc. This was fully explained in a previous thread so I don't wish to repeat it, and people were complaining about the discussion going OT, but child molestation is just about the most vile thing you can accuse somebody of. He preferred mature, independently-minded partners for serious relationships.

He is remembered for his great talent, his ability to be so eclectic, and for being so astute in reading or predicting modern trends.

When he went to America, it is noticeable that he toned down the bisexuality of his image. It was something that nearly all UK acts did at the time. The hippie sexual liberation era of the 60s was over, with a shift back to more social and political conservatism. In the UK, gender roles and boundaries were still being blurred but that faded out with the beginning of the AIDS crisis. Even Elton John tried marriage with a woman at that time, but it obviously wasn't successful!

After Elton declared himself to be bisexual in the mid 1970s, it's been said that his American career suffered for quite some time. He did eventually make his way back though sheer persistence, continuing his craft, but it took a decade or more to regain real footing.

George, by contrast, went to quite drastic extremes and judging from his last interview, regretted it deeply in later years and felt it had been a waste of time. I can understand his reasons for taking Sony to court, and he may have had some of the right principles, but it alienated a lot of his fan base and his career in America never really recovered.

Elton evidently felt that it was a bad move, but tried to respect George's reasons.

For his 1996 LP, there were obvious overtones on that record and the promotion that went with it, of George's true sexuality. May be another reason why it didn't appeal so well to the American market.

I think that American attitudes are now more open minded than they used to be, but at that time they were more firmly fixed. Some of it was bad luck, some of it bad decisions. But the damage was done and he has missed out on some recognition he would've otherwise deserved.

A year or so later though, I'm quite baffled at the current 'management' of his estate. Surely something better could be done than this fiasco?

I am an American who loved Faith and then bought LWP. Above and beyond the lack of promotion, he was trying to do too much at once. The music was much different, not what I was into at the time, as was his look, which to me was not hot. I and many others were moving toward alternative music at that time anyway.

These threads have been stupid for quite awhile.

The family though do seem to be acting as if something is being held over them. Maybe not just by Fadi, but other parties.

Fadi has been SHOWN to be a liar. I don't suspect him of foul play, but his reluctance to talk is probably more because he doesn't want people to know the true status of this relationship towards the end.

George didn't mention him once during his final interview. He just sounded like he still missed Anselmo terribly.

It's not just Alex who had concerns, he came in on this rather late.

But the situation with Alex is also troubling. If he is so mentally challenged (wouldn't be surprised if also under the influence, with all the weirdness and incoherent online statements), why is he being left in sole charge of the property so much of the time? That I cannot work out and is obvious potential trouble. The story about George jumping of a bridge looks like it was just a prank, but there are others out that can have more opportunistic driven agendas. What if they gain access to Alex (who seems ready to jump at any type of conspiracy theory) and he ends up giving them sensitive information?

Even he seemed to be publicly admitting that the situation is getting beyond him. It should be simple. Get a larger team at Highgate to help manage the extra fans and visitors to the site. Install a not too obtrusive memorial. Get rid of the hawkers on the site etc. Just set up a simple donation system, which would be more in line with George's taste and style than the rubbish there at present. They should have the means.

These fans who have managed to virtually take over some of his property are staying put now that they have found a way in. They aren't going anywhere until they are told to leave, and won't just be gradually fading away.

He could have had an official concert in his memory, a more fitting public memorial. But all he has is this tacky display outside his home with them all trying to outdo each other with the biggest and most flamboyant 'shrine'. Using resources and expense that could be put to better use.

George's lawyers are quick to take action with music rights etc. I can't understand though why his personal and property affairs are in such a badly managed mess.

In the end though it's George and his music that matters to me. I don't care about these other 'personalities' and don't understand why they have to have their own following, with it dividing his fan base so much. It's so pointless and not a credit to his memory. Just a distraction from what really matters.

I guess all major artists have some crazy out of touch with reality fanbase. What stands out in this situation though is the access they've managed to gain when he valued so much his own space and privacy.

Can anyone possibly come up with an explanation as to why an app applied to a picture of George Michael to suggest what he might look like as a woman causes such outrage on Twitter? Fadi posted it on his Facebook, captioning it "How cute x". Is there any deeper meaning that I don't get as why this would upset anyone? I assume it's the middle aged female straight lovelies who can't cope with the idea. GM being gay is hard enough for them, but even female?! How disgusting? As so often I am left speechless by fan behaviour.

This is the photo that the fan are upset about. I don't know why they repost this, they should just ingonor Fadi. OTT that photo look spooky to me.

George makes a nice looking Greek woman. Fadi attention whoring and don't the lovelies have a life. Why do they keep following fadi on Twitter.

R276 When I think abt it, it's hilarious... just think of all the lady fans who see GM as the only real man in their lives.. and here comes Fadi, presenting him as his 'girl' instead.

Mind blown!

What in holy hell is going on with Fadi? The wheels look like they might finally fall off the wagon....unless he’s just trying to wind everyone up for a laugh.

We shall wait and see if he now spills to the media. Wonder if the media really did contact him. Daily Mail was first to write about his rant

I think Fadi was George's girl that is why did post that photo. Fadi acting like a bitter ex wife trying to hurt her husband. So Joan Collins.

R282 Nahh... George has always been the girl. Check out the Paul Mac etc convo from years ago. Guess the lovelies can’t imagine George taking up his ass and loving it

You talk about the lovelies, however you've been dick riding this Paul Mac like its you. Damn stop stanning

He is trying desperately for more money I guess. Maybe the family should've given him some one off settlement to reorganize his life. They shouldn't have to look after him for the rest of his life though.

The family should probably just let him say what he will. GM fans are quite used to it and there's little that's going to shock them now.

Fadi has his own past and some contacts have been claiming a very dark, disturbing side to this relationship ever since Christmas 2016. I'm not suggesting foul play, but there have been other serious accusations. I believe there are some people around who could say explosive things. I'd been hoping though that FF would just go quietly and it wouldn't come to that, as things were out of control enough last year.

For his part, George once admitted that he wasn't very good at ending relationships and tended to keep people around maybe longer than he should, once the main part of a relationship had ended. He still had Kenny around before announcing that they'd really been over for about two years. He may still have had some dependence on FF but in the last year or so, I think George may have been encouraging FF to find some more independent means of livelihood. Fadi posted on FB that he was hanging around his old place of employment but evidently didn't go back to working there. A few months later, he reactivated his professional website, a few weeks before Christmas. He converted it into a site about 'freelance' photography. Probably told George he wanted to go in a new job direction, blah blah... who knows if he was even serious about it?

Fadi still has friends and family in various parts of the world where he'd be less likely to be bothered, and he is supposed to be a skilled hair dresser. He still has the salon world contacts and George probably helped his brother set up his salon business in the Netherlands. Fadi is only 40 or early 40s still. He has other options. (Maybe another is finding another lonely middle aged millionaire willing to pay his way...)

Though many have been scoffing at the idea that George had plans for a professional comeback (we still don't know for sure how that might have gone, but the information had been widely circulated and he was breaking a long period of silence) I think George and Fadi may have argued about the future towards the end.

Some have said that people at the nearby church for a midnight Christmas service heard raised voices. Possibly Fadi stormed out or was told to leave. George may have been shaken, tried to calm down with a few drinks and pills, and went to bed. A combination of chemical and health factors may have caused the final results, or made something inevitable happen a bit sooner.

Fadi probably thought things had calmed down the next day, went back to the cottage, found that George hadn't risen yet but thought he might still be angry or he'd slept in, as he did a lot. Finally, he went to check, probably made brief attempt to revive him but found he was long gone with rigor mortis and nothing could be done for him. He probably then freaked out, knowing how public it would be, or went into shock, before finally calling emergency services.

FF doesn't want to reveal the shakier ground of the relationship publicly, which is why he doesn't want to go into detail (a reason why many became suspicious about him).

As for how 'smart' Fadi is and whether he has a strategy - from what I've been told Fadi may not seem that 'learned', but he has always had good instincts for looking out for himself. That's what it comes down to.

[285] Maybe Fadi and George were having an augment and George had his heart attack. Fadi got nervous and left the home leaving George on the floor of his bedroom. Fadi then went to a bar got drunk thinking he can forget what had happen. Fadi went back to the home, but was afraid to go into the house because he knew George was dead. .

Fadi called I believe his nephew the next day and both enter the home to see George still laying on the floor were Fadi had left him. They pick up his body and place him in the bed. Then clean the spot were his body was beginning to decompose and called 999.

That is way Fadi voice is claim on the phone because he already knew George was dead. He called by his professional name, not legal and did not know his date of birth, When the was realize you can hear Fadi nephew saying 'she don't who George Michael is' and his nephew made so sort of commit after George's passing.. This could also explain why (if true) George's dad was shock and the family pain being so great. The autopsy show the could have stated that George died on the 24 of December, but was found on the 25 of December. This mean George may have perish on his Mother's birthday, given the time so that could explain why the family slow movement. .

According to that doc by The Sun magazine some of the people passing the house for the Christmas parade saw a shadowy figure watching the crowed pass by. Some say it was George, but how when they did not see his face just a figure. I believe it was Fadi this just my thoughts. Article from Writer's Digest: The only absolutely accurate determination of the time of death is the uncommon circumstance in which a person died with a physician or other skilled medical professional present. The doctor could make the determination and mark the time, and even this is assuming his watch or the clock on the wall was accurate. But that little inaccuracy aside, a death witnessed in this fashion is the only time that the three above times of death would correlate with one another.

Otherwise, it is impossible to determine the exact time of death. But what if someone witnessed the fatal blow or gunshot or what if the event was recorded on a timed surveillance camera, wouldn’t that accurately mark the time of death? The answer is a qualified yes. If the witnessed event led to immediate death, then the witness would have seen the actual death. If not, the witnessed event is simply the trauma that led to death but not the actual moment of death. People can survive massive and apparently lethal injuries for hours, even days or years.

But most deaths are not witnessed. Natural death may come during sleep, and accidental and suicidal deaths often occur when the victim is alone. In homicides, the perpetrator is typically the only witness and he rarely checks his watch, and even if he did, he’s not likely to talk about it. This means that when the medical examiner must determine the time of death he can only estimate the approximate time.

These times of death may differ by days, weeks, even months, if the body is not found until well after physiologic death has occurred. For example, if a serial killer killed a victim in July, but the body was not discovered until October, the physiologic death took place in July, but the legal death is marked as October, since that is when the corpse was discovered and the death was legally noted. The medical examiner estimated that the time of death could be July, or it could be June or August. It is only an estimate and many factors can conspire to confuse this determination. But, it is critically important for the medical examiner to be as accurate as possible.

Possibly the family has outmaneuvered Fadi now. We are coming up on 14 months since GM passed. There is much less interest in Fadi's story. It would be interesting to see what the tabloids offer him for his story, if it come to that. Probably in 5-figures now. Family is playing hardball and saying go ahead and talk. The moment he opens his mouth they will probably move legally and throw him out of the RP House. It will then be a legal battle with dirty linen being washed in public. I am surprised the family are not giving FF a few million to keep his mouth shut and go quietly

Posters in the previous threads have said Fadi might have some legal rights to demand compensation. If it had been an on/off relationship and the family can prove it, does he really have rights? Forget about the legal stuff. What do people on here think? Does he have a right to demand to be compensated if George did not put him in the will?

R286 ... the loophole with your baloney theory is that the nephew has left for Australia before that Christmas

From what I know he can't claim any compensation if he was not in the will. I do believe George was the one looking out the window on Christmas eve not fadi. I watched the hln special on gm and it showed a clear view of his eyes and somewhat his face so it was definitely him.

Is there a photo of George at the window on Christmas eve then?

R288 It's totally irrelevant what people on here think. Fadi has got rights, whether he is the will or not and whether a will exists or not. The topic has been elaborated further upthread. Do your own research.

R283 I thought that he switched. I think he was the top with Kenny wasn’t he

I always though George was the top.

With ghb during sex allegedly I don't think he might be a top.

I don't know if there is a picture but if you watch hln special you will notice that it is him looking through the window. It looks like the frame of a really chubby guy and you can see his eyes not his entire face. He was still hiding from view while 👀. It is sad that he became a prisoner of his own dysfunction, he could not even show himself to the public. He had to hide like an intruder in his own home.

Do you guys think that the last picture taking of him was at the restaurant not the photo from the European fan which seems like he had lost a bit of weight. Why I asked is because if he was getting slimmer he won't have hid his face from the crowd that gathered during Christmas eve. I think his team used a year old photo from the fan to make it seem like he was doing great and getting back to work. Most tabloid claim that the restaurant outing that look blurry was his last picture taken.

That shoot from the HLN How Did it Happen, was taken in the daytime hours. The people in that Sun magazine stated the events happen at night. The person is herd saying a shadowy figure watching them as they passed. The doc is on YouTube

The fact that this shiftless hustler thinks getting his hands on George's money is "his right" tells you all you really need to know about him, if you hadn't already figured that out a long time ago. The very last thing he'd ever consider is working for a living. He thought his sugar daddy had him set for life, and it hasn't quite worked out that way, has it? It was only a matter of time before he dropped the act and publicly announced what was always the endgame: "Show me the money... OR ELSE." Oh yes, that sounds like true love. /s

He’s actually playing games in those twitter posts of s few days ago. He’s talking about the dispute with etihad. He even mentions needing a lawyer for it. Then he continues by being cryptic. It’s not the first time he had played the misunderstanding game. Remember the tweet “Court it is!” After rumours if the disputes with the family started to hit the media? Then it was explained away days later as wanting to help his friend Courtney with her career or something. Games. Ignore it. He’s been already muzzled in exchange for regent park. He just can’t afford to stay there and not work too.

And no - that picture on the hln special is not from goring that evening. He’s looking out a different window entirely and not even in goring in that shot. I’ve seen that footage from when he was alive.

Not saying GM wasn’t seen that night watching the procession (it was originally described as him flat out and not all this shadowy figure crap) but it’s not footage from that night. These gossip shows splice anything together. They didn’t claim it was footage from that night either. The further we get in time from George’s death, the less fact based all the theories become on these threads.

Even David has gone really quiet. The family continues to allow that embarrassing mess continue outside his house cause apparently a statue would be much more embarrassing to George 🙄. Nothing done to control the people making cash off his memory. No memorial foundation, nothing. What a bunch of misfits george had to drag around all his life.

If there are more secrets beyond hookers and blow and maybe hiv, it must be pretty bad for them to be still paralyzed to the point of destroying this guy’s legacy by doing nothing for it. Or like I said above, they are just a bunch of misfits. Wha

Are you referring to his family and David as misfits. I wonder if they are busy paying people from going to the press by selling their stories. How are we not sure they are not trying to sort things out with his escort inner circles. One thing I know his that those shady characters don't go away easily. Fadi might not be the only one trying to blackmail them.

You know I was just looking over at George Michael lovelies twitter page and came to the realization. The Lovelies don’t care for George Michael at all. These Lovelies, (not GM fans), had the chance to vote for best music firm at the British Awards. Well apparently they did not follow though because Lady Gaga won. This is the second time the fans had the chance to vote for George to win at something and they failed yet again. Instead of keeping this man legacy alive because the family is doing such a great job at this. The Lovelies choose to put their energy behind a dog walker, two former escorts and a garden. This is some sad shit and I know this is not the place for it, but I only post on this site (sorry). Anyway back to the subject matter, there is an article about that stupid garden and these individuals are reposting it as they did with the Fadi pic of George as a female. One poster stated that they were sorry George had not won the Best Music film at the British awards, to which the lovelies was like I wish I voted. I’m like if you guys stop stanning for those escorts and that garden you could have done this task. I mean this man is being remembered for that stupid garden to the point there is an article about it. No one is writing articles of why GM should be in the Song Writers’ Hall of Fame, no but about some stupid garden. One of his fans made it possible for him to get a Blue Plaque and lovelies was like what a good Lovely you are. She replied not a lovely but a fan of GM music. I guess that sums up everything. Sorry about the rant I am just tried of that garden, the former escorts and the dog walker are getting all the attend. Meanwhile GM is a gust star in his own legacy. Sad.

I have always stated that the lovelies are nutcases, all they do is bicker among each other or spread false rumors about George. They don't care about promoting his legacy like the poster above me stated. They are more obsessed with his exes and choosing sides. I also think some of the problem seems to be he did not seem to really interest a new generation of young people as fans. Those young people are good at utilizing social media to promote their favorite celeb. Most of his fans are middle-aged women who are more driven by their emotions and their attraction to his keptboys. Not the demographic that are technology driven. It kind of makes sense why he was depressed most of his career, he saw some of his fans for what they were.

If he was out of his tree on drugs so much, I’m sure there are all sorts of drug taking, pornographic pictures and videos a gay porn publisher would be happy to release if they got a hold of them. He seemed especially not careful in Australia with those false friends who were referring to him as “she” on social media after he died. He even had one live with him at highgate for a spell.

His musical legacy can still be worked on while dealing with potential blackmailers though. Happens all the time with living stars in Hollywood.

So Fadi has deactivated his Twitter Account for the millionth time. What an idiot he is. A guy who cannot even be stable from day to day and interact properly on his social media accounts. These lovelies give him the attention he does not deserve

The IntelliGossip woman continues to defend FF

R305 The lovelies give FF attention??? They are stalking him on all his social media accounts hoping Fadi would post a message for them from George. Well, he doesn't do that. Every time he mentions George's name he is accused of attention seeking and not honouring him. Whatever their definition of "honouring George" is.... These days it looks like a daily dose of mean bitching about FF is an essential requirement to be belong to "the lovelies".

As far as I can see Intelli was informing everyone Fadi could have a claim IF he WAS living with George & WAS financially maintained by him. Who knows the ins & outs in that relationship, don’t particularly care & won’t loose any sleep over it.

Fadi really courts attention doesn’t he. And still doing nothing with his life really. Discuss...

R309 Fadi keeps his life private. He continues to protect George's privacy, that's why the lovelies hate him. He doesn't give them the little sweet irrelevant stories, unlike Kenny, they crave for.

(R310) Ace!!!!! Some”LoVeLies”(mostly easily shocked,single middle aged women(Wham!adepts) or very frustrated housewives)who are giving F a hard time just for the sake of it should grow up,face reality&learn more of the ups&downs in relationships...

[309] Fadi knows that those Lovelies are not there for George at all. They are really stalkers who care about that garden, loving Kenny and Alexis and following Fadi around social media. Meanwhile the man who's image they have as avatars and profit is being left on the sidelines.

Janelle Monae is giving made credit to David Bowie and Prince for being strong queer role models and fighting the music industries. Prince for fighting for his freedom from the record labels. Dame did George Michael not do this first? Is this why he was blacklisted from radio etc.? I guess that music critic was correct when he said GM is destiny to be forgotten.

Spot on!

R313 who said his destiny is to be forgotten? I read about everything that came out after he died and never saw that. Please elaborate on who this was or even post a link. It’s the second time I’ve read a post here saying that in a few days and first time ever anywhere.

R314 yet you and whoever created that is just perpetuating the side taking by posting things to get others upset on “the other side” I’m not on either side but can plainly see both ends have forgotten the musician. Enough of the fighting and sniping from the lot of you. Both sides.

Cue the bitchy comments at what I wrote - but it’s the truest thing on this crappy thread in a long time. At least that now closed forum everyone maligns discussed the music at times, compiled career highlights, debated about albums and songs. It’s this crappy thread that should be shut down.

Over and out.

There is nobody in this who wants to take the initiative. In the vacuum, followings have built up around his exes or personal assistant. Neither side is worth taking. That's the sad truth. The fans might as well forget these hangers on and go back to connecting with GM through his music.

The lunacy and corrupt stunts at Highgate - no words! But Fadi Fawaz does not need 'support' from anybody. He has more means available to him than many others out there really doing it tough, who are totally on their own. He's in his prime, is supposed to have skills, has friends and family etc. His own associates will tell you - he is a big boy who is capable of looking after himself.

I will honour George's support for causes by giving to the organizations directly, and each day attempting to 'live without prejudice' in my own life.

It is unfortunate that George Michael's talent was overshadowed in later years by all the attention given to his personal life. Far more than was necessary. Wild rock n rollers who are straight don't get as much scrutiny for what they do, which is practically the same.

The fans are probaby not helping however by continuing to argue and fuss over the people in his personal life, which just continues to highlight it. The true love of his life who he never got over seemed to be Anselmo who is no longer here. The others were 'shadows' during his period of inexorable personal decline that he waited too long to try and stop.

The music industry is so messed up now, which he saw coming, and was supposed to be part of the reason why he went to court. Even if perhaps the writing was already on the wall and nothing realistically could've been done to prevent it. Part of his intentions may have been good even if he later admitted it was also related to the things happening in his personal life and in the end, a futile effort that his legacy is perhaps still paying for in America.

Well said 317.

When you have stupid fans actively going through DL to find dirt on Fadi, you know it is no longer about music. Sad but true. Lady Gaga has much saner fans than GM with these crazy middle aged women especially the American trailer trash fans. It is no longer about music; it is about their “revenge” against Fadi for letting GM die.

Fadi is back on Twitter. Seems a restless guy who cannot make up his mind one day to the other. The family seem pretty determined to outlast him

R273 another wrong comment. No, David Bowie did not sleep with that woman who says she was underage. WRONG

Lori Mattix and Sable Starr were two of his victims

David Bowie had sex with more young people than Jimmy Savile

R322 Isn't there another thread dedicated to David Bowie somewhere?

Fadi just needs to get a damn job already. He's an able bodied adult who shouldn't be dependent on his deceased ex-sugar daddy's money to support him, like some helpless 1950's discarded housewife. And no, they didn't 'share a home' in Regents Park. George lived at Highgate and Goring, and put Fadi up at Regents Park like a mistress. Fadi never actually *lived with him* anywhere. Peddle that happy crap elsewhere.

The guy is a golddigging leech through and through. All he is interested in is getting his hands on the loot. That's the only reason he stuck around after the romance was obviously over by 2012. He really thinks George's money is his right'. If I demanded that all my exes support me financially for the rest of my life, I'd be sitting on a bloody great goldmine. Wouldn't we all.

Anyone who defends this parasite or believes he's so loyal is a complete idiot. Threatening a dead man's family unless they give you a piece of the action isn't loyalty. It's extortion.

Well said, (R324)

Well said,I think NOT!!!Unless you find that that kind of jealous&hateful reactions towards a man(F)we absolutely know NOTHING about abdolutely normal!! George was a very private man regarding his relationships so why should we want to know every detail(financial or social) after his death??During 25 Live when his realtionship with K was well known 2 the public&K obviously enjoyed the public attention 2 the extend that he even liked 2 pose for pics with fans or even shared autographs as if he was the star himself(maybe typical US behaviour;)))Might be that this has even been a slow “killer”for their rekationship or even one of the reasons for their break up... When F came in G’s LiFe ‘round the period of his illness&they became a duo right after I remember there were already a lot of possessive fans(mostly Kenny admirers)who were pretty judicial about F as according to them he’s appearance was too rough or hairy...he had not the right ancestry or the right FaiTh and/or past.So incredibly biased! I saw with my own eyes that during the 2nd rescheduled leg of Symphonica was beset by GMfans who wanted him 2 socialize with the fans like K used to do but of course when they saw that F had quite the opposite reaction he suddenly became the bad guy who was NO good for GM as he was unfriendly ,rude,brutal etc....How shortsighted this is!!!!F had just a totally different personality than K,that’s all!Besides who are the fans to judge about their Idol’s relationship??! If G &F’s relationship went with ups&downs “,if they were still together or not,if they lived in separate houses or not,if G supported F with money or not that is all NONE of our business!!!When the fans are always acknowloding that G was such a private person why arent they doing the same after his death&stop harrassing F in order to obtain more details about their relationship or the circumstances of G’s untamely death??!How does that help in the acceptance of G’s death FGS??!They are just plainfully selfish!Fadi was very unfortunate to be the 1st and ONLY witness to his partners death & that’s hard enough as I personally have already experience how traumatic finding someone dead can be and you certainly wish that to nobody!! I say quite deliberately the”only”witness... as not anyone of G’s close family was surrounding him at the time he passed away&as I have strong suspicion that the relationship between G & his family was already strained in the last 1 1/2 year ,maybe also bc they didn’t Like F on his side which is their problem,I can imagine it was also for them the easiest way to make F the scapegoat and blame him for everything what went wrong in G’s LiFe lately! Believe me,if F’s still living in the RP house there’s must be a reason for that!And even IF F should be “blackmailing”the family in anyway then think about this:if you have even the slightest intention that after all the bullying you have (in al probability also from the family)received you have to have something against them to extort them with otherwise that would simply not be possible!!

I need valium reading poster 326 mess. I can see you are pro fadi and incoherent which is expected. I don't understand why fadi fangurls are so illiterate like English is not their first language.

R326 You are beyond help. You can't see what's right in front of you. Fadi is a HUSTLER. That's what he was when he latched on to George, and what he still was at the end, when they were obviously estranged. He was in it for the money from minute one. He loved bragging about the luxuries he got to enjoy while being George's paid companion, constantly sharing photos on social media to say 'Look at me! I'm in a fancy hotel room, I'm in a mansion, I'm taking a private plane, I have backstage passes!' He still hasn't stopped. The reason he was rude to the fans is because he's a rude person.

Even the fact that he's publicly threatening to speak to every tabloid unless he gets George's money doesn't get through to idiots like you. You really buy his story, don't you? He's not trying to extort money from the family because he has something on them. He has something on GEORGE that he's willing to sell to the highest bidder unless they set him up for life with George's money. That's blackmail. NOT LOVE.

Come on. Explain to us why he still hasn't done a day's work in over a year. Why he was whining on social media that he couldn't afford water or food or a flower for George's grave. How, then, did he pay for an extended holiday in Australia? Stop claiming that he's been silently suffering, keeping everything private out of love and loyalty, when in reality he's been making a public spectacle of himself since Dec. 26, 2016.

(R327) As if you have the right to call people who’s first language isn’t English iincoherent and illiterate!I call someone like you uncivillized&superbly arrogant!!

[326] I agree with everything you stated. [328] The exact same thing can be said about Kenny as well. Was it not Kenny who sold his stories to the Sun? George was a very private person, however Kenny and Geri loved the spotlight. This is when George stays in the press about this personal life not his music. In my option Kenny is the hustler hell he's even gotten in contact with George's doctor's wife online giving out hints, so both are dirty. George did this to himself sad.

329 I am civilized because I don't have a tendency to state incoherent psycho barble. You on the other hand need to avoid long useless sentences because it is hard to understand the mess you are trying to convey.

This “comedy” would make a GR8 soap opera. Steve Pafford has joined the “lovlies” again. He’s so playing to the blinded audience, he’s of the opinion he’s portraying himself in a good light with his “stories” Think his half brain if he has 1 is frazzled with weed & god knows what else!

R332 just recently noticed Steve Pafford is mixing it up with the GM fans - the pro-Fadi ones especially. How did he get in the middle of this scrap? Why suddenly more than a year after George's death? Paul Stag, Carlos the hairdresser, Steve Pafford and Paul Mac to an extent are the only ones who have sold or written about their encounters with George. Given the literally 100s of hookups he had, it is quite amazing that we didnt have more people coming out of the woodwork

But you have to laugh at the Fadi nuts actually arguing with Pafford as if they know better than he does. FFS, he's the one who introduced the two of them in the first place. How delusional are these people to think they have more insight into the situation than he does?

Pafford????

Who the hell is that?

R330, don't be an idiot. To equate a long-term relationship like the one George had with Kenny to whatever that mess was with Fadi, that is just plain ridiculous. George and Kenny were together for many years. They owned homes together and had business partnerships together. Kenny had a day job that he still kept for almost the first 10 years they were together. That was an actual relationship. Fadi was a prostitute who just tagged along after George for years after the novelty quickly wore off. He drove him around, carried his bags, and serviced him when required. And was paid well for it. They never shared a home or a life together. The two relationships were NOTHING alike. Nor are the two men. One is a grownup with a university degree who works for a living and always has, the other is an illiterate, washed-up whore who still can't even support himself at age 44. If no one is giving him an allowance or paying him for sex, he doesn't have a clue how to make a living. Which is why he's resorting to blackmail.

And for the love of God, STOP saying George was "a very private person." He was nothing of the kind. George was the KING OF TMI. There's nothing Kenny told The Sun that George hadn't already made public (only Kenny, thankfully, wasn't as graphically detailed about it as George always was) many years earlier. And he didn't get a personal payday out of it, either. Nor is he trying to extort George's family for money and making a fool of himself on Twitter by threatening people and having imaginary, incoherent conversations with George. So stop with these ridiculous claims, because it's obvious that you didn't even start paying attention to George's life until he died. You don't know anything at all about him.

You can love or hate Kenny and Fadi for whatever reasons, but the two relationships were not even close to comparable. One was like a marriage and the other was just an extended fling with a greedy, manipulative prostitute he couldn't get rid of. And don't give me the "respect George's choices" garbage, either. If there's one thing everyone knows about George, it's that he made a lot of very, VERY bad choices. He'd be the first one to tell you that. And often did.

Hi Steve Pafford, thanks for your input has been invaluable

Get the message already! GM own words:

"I find it really sad to see the forums so packed full of negative comment, and that so many genuinely positive fans find themselves defending me (or themselves) constantly against attack. How pointless.

"I'm afraid I want nothing to do with the bitching that has evolved between some members, (many members), and perhaps unofficial sites will be a calmer affair."

And he shut down his own forum.

Don´t move it here, get a life, medication or your own forum.

Kenny is no different from Fadi. You mean the foundation George set up for him and the fact that he was actually a flight attendant not the fictional successful business man George pr team created for him. The only difference is that Kenny does not have a porn past and he can form two sentences together. They are both former gold digging keptmen and now aged out of prostituting themselves.

[336] I stop reading after you said they own houses when Kenny had no money at ALL. Between the Kenny crazies, Fadi's haters, this Paul Mac (I believe that's his name) and this Steve Pafford person stans this forum has gone the shit real fast.

Also [336] unlike you I don't live my life in a make-believe world trying to create a dysfunctional relationship into this great love story. Like another poster stated some of you lovelies are not here for GM, but his former escorts. If you put this much energy into voting for the Best music film at the Brit. award then George would have won.

However, you guys FAIL again just as you did for the Last Christmas song going to number 1 spot. So do me a favor, you and the other crazies, I mean lovelies stop using George's name and pretending to be fans. Because you guys only showcase your support for his former escort.

While on the subject of Ken Doll, how is that foundation going? Are you guys going to putt money in his pocket to aid in his living lifestyle? Because we all know Kenny is allergic to working just like Fadi. So both of those loser are one in the same.

Good day and good night.

Well said 342.

LOL!! Oh, the stupid… it burrrrrrns!! Kenny was never a flight attendant! You’re confusing him with a friend of his, who was. Is Wikipedia your bible?!

And no, his day job wasn’t made up by George’s PR. He was a sales director for a sporting goods company. Not exactly the most glamorous or showbiz job, but if you know anything about high school and college sports in the US, it’s an extremely lucrative business. He did more traveling for his job than George was doing at the time, and George admitted to sitting home worrying about him, and not being able to sleep until Kenny called and said he’d arrived safely.

What’s so hard to believe? The guy went to college, got his degree, got a job, and worked his way up in the company like many people do. The company transferred him to LA, and he met George there. Boring, but true. He left the job and started the gallery with his own money in 2004-2005, when the company changed ownership and wanted him to stay put in one place. That just didn’t work for his relationship.

Whereas Fadi has spent his entire adult life mooching off people and trying to avoid getting a real job. Quite successfully, I might add. He’s just a well-endowed neanderthal with no brains or skills. No one wants anything to do with him, and for good reason. He has no choice but to blackmail and sue because his allowance from George is running out, and he’s unlikely to find another sugar daddy at 44 (and looking like that). He’s not exactly a hot commodity, is he?

R344 Can you elaborate who Fadi was mooching off according to you his entire adult life? Who were these other sugar daddys? I would love to hear more details!

R344 Kenny fangurl alert!!!

He used his money to build the gallery! What an utter load of bullshit

[344] I am going to leave this bit of information to read.

According to GQ, the day that Feleppa died, Michael decided to come out to his parents as gay.

Michael also was reportedly in a relationship with a flight attendant named Kenny Goss, who he met in 1996. In 2004, Michael opened up about finding out his mother had cancer just after meeting Goss. His mother passed away in 1997. In 2004, Michael told GQ about what a great support system Goss provided him with, explaining:

He was there to put his arms around me and remind me there was something positive going on. I was never without stress from the moment I found out about Mum’s cancer, but Kenny waited and he finally got to see me healthy and happy last year.

Poster 347. You must be on Kenny payroll that is if the foundation still has enough money left. Kenny never used his "money" to start the foundation. You are really a loon and deranged and also quit posting your bullshit because no one else believes you besides yourself. I can see by your writings that you have posted this bullshit in other threads. Another Kenny fangurl and his or her deluded bullshit. I don't think George would have thought some of his so called fans will turn out to be whore fans for his exes, I mean former golddigging kept men.

I don't care about taking sides with his partners, what does that have to do with anything and what good does it do?

But here we are on DL with thirteen or more threads (there have been sub threads) about FF who nobody would know about if he wasn't with George.

It would appear that George never really had a satisfactory or quality personal life, except for a very short time. And then that happiness was stolen from him. It was all downhill from there.

Kenny and Fadi both came into the picture at a time when George was extremely vulnerable. He was nearly down and out. I think a part of him though was very scared of becoming seriously involved with someone else, only to be let down again or lose them. So there was a part of himself he probably kept sealed off.

To deal with the loneliness that caused, he turned to all the wrong things. Alcohol, drugs, and endless series of casual and fleeting encounters.

I try not to judge. I've known and cared about people affected by similar issues. But there's really not much at all in his personal life for the past 20 years to feel very positive about.

For what it's worth, I do think that Kenny genuinely cared more about George's welfare and well being than the others, but he had his own issues. When he left, George plummeted and became more out of control than ever, but I can understand why he had to leave the situation.

It seems that when George was with Kenny, he maintained more contact with his own family. But wasn't similar case with Fadi. The family obviously felt let down however when Kenny sold his story to The Sun. Even though he said it was for the Foundation, he has probably used it to cover his own costs.

People probably want to believe that George found or had some happiness, in more conventional terms. But wasn't the case. There's no happy end that can be constructed from all this. Would've been nice if he could have recovered himself and made a strong comeback like Elton. But to do that he needed to cut off ALL the negative influences without exception. He deluded himself that he could handle and mange everything but that's common with an addict. They may feel like they are in control but that's an illusion created by the drug. They don't snap out until it's REAL disaster but George always felt he had something to fall back on with his natural talent and wealth. He relied on that too much and tested fate too many times. Doesn't matter who you are, we're all mortal.

[348] Not a Kenny fan at all my posting was to inform [344] that Kenny was a flight attendant when he meet George. Because this individual in under the impression Kenny had his own money.

[349] Kenny only wanted George's fame and money. He only cared about the lifestyle he could have with GM. That is why you see him signing autograph's as if he was the famous one. Kenny also like hanging around celebrities which George hate. There is an interview where George says Kenny enjoy going to celebrates party, I prefer to be at home.

Then Kenny goes to sell his story to the Sun a magazine George hated. If he every loved George he would have never done that to him. So those stupid lovelies' who post photo of Kenny and George and saying how much love they had really need to get a life. Because he showed his true self when he betrayed George.

R350 If you want to refer to somebody's post can you link it in properly as RXXX . Simply calling this and that person stupid and all that. Right a post properly without mistakes before you call other people Stupid

{350] you need to learn how to read cause you sound confused. I guess your confuse makes since due to you being in that garden all the time.

confusion ^

Poster 349 is a nutcase. Kenny fangurls are clearly deranged and are not a true fan of George. Kenny the middle aged hustler should cut this idiot poster 349 a check for doing the most for him. I mean he should have some cash left.

[352] post is directed to [351] I guess the fan girl was upset because Kenny reals "job" is in print. These people hate seeing the proof to their lies. [354} you are correct these Kenny fan girls either work for him are just plain crazy. Sorry I mean stupid [351] I know this post just trigger your.

I’m literally wetting my pants @ the latest in twitterland, Steve Pafford has been exposed to his true vocation in life “ Adam Tremadoc”......looking 4ward 2 the backlash from the “lovelies”.......comedy gold !

It is quiet impressive that those two aging golddigers claim to fame is banging George and now they have deranged fans who hang around their Twitter page and practically stalk them online.

R356 British journalist Steve Pafford aka Adam Tremadoc has joined in the Fadi-bashing on Twitter. Who cares about that? Check out Pafford’s “body of work” in one of his porn movies below

Who can be sure he was “banging” George ? I thought GM was a topper?

All that work and this what George is remember for

R356 There won't be backlash from lovelies towards Steve Pafford because of his porn past! Expect them to embrace him cordially for bashing Fadi. All they want is saucy details about GM's sex life and he is ready to spill. True or not, nobody cares as long as their appetite for scandal is satisfied.

Steve Pafford has acted in porn movies? GM certainly collected these type of guys around him

R362 Yup. IMDB lists 6 porn movies under Steve Pafford’s porn alias Adam Tremedoc

Geri Horner is a former lesbian hooker

Robbie Williams on George Michael: "It was just a dreadful thing to happen and I miss him."

[361] You are so correct about those so called lovelies. They are nothing but a bunch of tabloids reading individuals who's lives are so boring and sad. To the point of believing and launching on to individuals who will say anything for attention.

I went to this Steve Pafford twitter page and some people are calling him out on his lies. How he keep change dates of meeting George Michael. Meanwhile the stupid I mean lovelies are saying this Steve guy would have been a better lover for George. Because Steve had a lot of resect for George, what a fucking joke. These lovelies are not fans of George nor are they familiar with him at all.

The lovelies are a bunch of pathetic people George probably wished he never attracted as fans. This is what happens when celebs overshare their lives in the media that some fans feel they have ownership over their image. They feel they know the celebs better than they know themselves. They are a bunch of intrusive nuts and do not understand boundries. They are not fans just obessessive fanatics. Fans see their favorite celebs as flawed and mourn when they pass but not obsessively. Actual fans move on, they don't stalk the celeb exes on social media or show up in front of their house repeatedly.

GM Lovelies are now arguing with each other and at war about whether Steve Pafford would have been a better lover for George than Fadi. How pathetic is that? Get a life people. George could have done without any of these useless leeches in his life. He was circling the drain for a very long time associating with these guys. It is a wonder he lasted as long as he did

[369] you put everything in a good prospective when it come to the lovelies. When Bowie fans talk of him its about the music. The same can be said for both Prince and MJ. However those lovelies only want to talk about George's personal life, which they know nothing about. I'm willing to bet they are not familiar with any of his music.

I wouldn't state that most of mj fans are sane. Most of them are nuts he has his share of fanatics.

[372] Some of MJ fans are crazy but none are following the people who MJ wronged. They still buy his records and vote for him when needed. George' fans do the opposite that is why Ed got the number spot last Christmas.

I get what you are stating, yes mj fans download his song vote up his music but they have a tendency to go off the rail against people who point out his flaws or demons. They do also stalk his exes or whatever you want to call Lisa Marie Presley and Debbie rowe. If they don't like what is stated about their idol they harass and threaten people. They also argue among themselves about mj exes. The way I see it fanatics are fanatics it doesn't matter which celeb have those people as fans.

Even in death the lovelies feel like they own him and they should be the one to rewrite his legacy not his family. I can see why his family want nothing to do with those pathetic creatures. While alive he overfed the monsters and when he died they became uncontrollable. He probably hated some of them but felt trapped because he could not turn them away. Most superstars have their share of intrusive weirdos as fans.

The family and management team have failed George in death.

Yeah they did [376] which is ashamed because George wanted his music to be remember.

What is the Dog Whisperer aka Alex upto these days?

Alex is busy praising the creator of the YouTube video “Prince Charles Killed George Michael”

R379 that’s old by almost a year and has been covered many times in past threads.

Why should his family entertain the deranged lovelies. All they have to do his promote his music, get a team together to reintroduce his catalog to a whole new generation.

[381] I really wish they would because those crazy fans are not helping his music legacy.

R379 R380 Yes, it's old and has been discussed before. It's still shocking. The most shocking thing is, that it didn't have any consequence whatsoever. Alex is forgiven everything by his lovelies, because he is so hurt and still grieving and on top of it, rescuing dogs from China. Such a noble man must not be critized by all means.

Well [383} seeing how Alex is not well in the head. That those lovelies can relate to him and Alex can relate to them is very telling. Crab in a barrels why of thinking until one day they turn on each other. I have a feeling that day is coming soon and it will be epic.

Other musical legends get proper tribute concert to celebrate their legacy. What does George get, a bunch of lovelies arguing among themselves on Twitter or stalking his exes online oh and the memorial garden. It seems like his family hate how his life turned out and they seem to resent the music industry. At least they are not exploiting him like he is a product to them to stay relevant. I kind of understand their lack of care for publicity and using his name to make insane money. They want to remember him as a family member not the artist and they have a right to that and we should respect it.

R385. I totally agree r385 but then I think that also means that they need to call time in the memorial garden mess. At least for the neighbors who george respected while alive.

ON not “in”

It also seem like the lovelies or shall I say fanatics seem lost and confused and do not know how to properly grief and move on. They truly a weird bunch of disturbed people. I am not making excuses for their irrational behaviors, they all need therapy as to why they live vicariously through a now deceased celeb. Let's be honest those lovelies are not having a easier life and can't deal with reality. his music or him in general was an escapism from their non full filled lives. I think the family should get rid of the stuffs in the garden and put out a statement telling the fanatics to respect boundaries and neighbor's privacy.

I think sometimes in a weird way celebs are a reflection of the type of people they attract as fans. Famous people that have a hard time dealing with reality and have emotional attachment issues will have fans whose behavior mask theirs.

R389 I think some are just stuck in his former image during the 80s era and wish to remain there. They're probably confused about their feelings for him when they had him as a pin up on their wall, compared to his real private life. He probably encouraged some of that when he first started but it's what virtually everyone else was doing at the time and he tried to move away from it eventually. Some of what we are seeing now is perhaps a 'projection' of those feelings, but doesn't excuse how they have crossed the line. It really is some of the stupidest lunacy I've seen in my life.

I'd like to think there are still some normal and not as extreme fans out there. Personally speaking I know that I mainly respected him as singer songwriter in later years - what he did in that field. The main frustration I felt was that he appeared to be wasting that talent but that was his life, not mine. I still hoped he would get it together one day but unfortunately, wasn't to be.

I knew that some had noticed what was on Alex's youtube channel - some of the content quite extremist and disturbing. (There's also the Polish Defence League and another rant by Davo about Bono and U2 accusing them of running a pedophile racket with their RED campaign - which the estate actually partnered with recently for an official fundraiser!) I tried giving him the benefit of a doubt because I went through a phase watching Alex Jones for awhile, even though I know he's a nutcase. I like to watch things sometimes that challenge my own world perspective, for the sake of knowing what the other side are saying, and sometimes he was mildly entertaining and amusing until I just got sick of him. But Davo Rock just makes me feel ill, I can't get past 2-3 minutes. It's just unrelenting hate and abuse.

After seeing Alex Georgiou actually fawning over this guy's unhinged hateful rant about GM, that was it for me. My opinion on Fawaz is out, but seems weird they make excuses of grief for Alex's inappropriate behaviour, but not other people in his life. Alex has probably been left for too long on his own at Highgate or with the 'lovelies', but it's evident he's been into this stuff for quite a long time, before losing GM. Even if it wasn't quite so overt until now.

I wish they'd just come up with some kind of plan and proper management for the Highgate frontage, because lately it is just erupting in disagreements and divisions between fans - some of the worst has been in the past week or so.

It's a very sad state of affairs, a year or so after he's gone. All in all - I'm a fan of George Michael, I don't also have to be a fan of these other various people in his life. Alex has right to his own opinions I guess but they're going to be an issue if he's involving himself in this sort of role, seeking to build some kind of 'Foundation' in George's memory. That goes without saying. It's just totally ridiculous.

George deserves fitting representation and he didn't like to compromise principles. I thought that was something fans would care about but evidently not all of them do.

From what I gather, some people have been trying to raise these concerns with the estate privately with the estate for a very long time, but they are never responded to.

It's sad they couldn't do better for him. I don't know if that's because of some of the controversies in his life but there were also positives. If they can't do this reasonably then maybe it should stop altogether. It's just become a sideshow and not really about George at all.

I hope new future listeners continue to discover him in their own way but the fan community right now appears to be in a very real deep crisis. It's not a very pleasant place to join.

If they were stuck in the 80s image of him, they will find it hard to relate to the overweight very middle aged George with a changed speaking voice if he was still alive. I remember when the radio interview came out the fans were shocked that he did not sound very spontaneous like he used to and he had gained a lot of weight.

[389] think sometimes in a weird way celebs are a reflection of the type of people they attract as fans. Famous people that have a hard time dealing with reality and have emotional attachment issues will have fans whose behavior mask theirs

I don't think that's true [389]. I believe that GM's true fans are only interested in unreleased music and tours to be release on either Blue-Ray or DVD. However, the lovelies are following the individuals who have the same mindset as them. Kenny, Fadi, Alex and that garden are the only people and thing they care about. Each individual has showcase this type of emotional attachment behavior on television and social media.You are correct in saying that people attract fans that think as they.

This forum isn't GM's legacy though. In the wider world everyone has forgotten Fadi and Alex and the shit pile surrounding his house. Most people just remember the songs, the image and the cool vids. Only in the depths of the internet is anyone even thinking about this shit.

If you look at the FB group for the George Michael statue petition, you can see some of the recent bickering about the Highgate shrine. In among all the middle aged females ogling at GM in his prime. (It appears that a clean up has recently been ordered at the site, though some will remain - such as the ornamented imitation grave displays on the ground.)

The Highgate group tend to pick very 'safe' causes for their 'charity projects'. It's cancer, kids or animal welfare charities. Of course they are great causes but I can't help but feel, it's also an attempt - conscious otherwise - to 'whitewash' GM's image. There's very little reflection of or recognition of his role in the LGBT field.

They have little or no experience in fundraising and didn't actually have rights permission for the images they used in their 2018 calendar. Those rights belong to an Austrian photographer for the cover pic and perhaps a few others. Fundraising activity is still considered 'commercial activity' and using unlicensed images without permission could have legal ramifications. (I wouldn't grant permission to these groups with their suspect views and behaviour, which is downright abusive online.)

GM would never associate himself with anything this inept but it's not really about him anymore. He's just the side character now and 'he's gone so let all do what they like'.

If Alex has issues, he should go get some psychological help and estate team get more professional staff at Highgate. Certainly, keep him away from some of these rabids who have been allowed to invade his land and property, lord it over other fans, etc.

Why don't the LGBT community do the same thing these individuals are doing. I am sure if the family did not stop them then why would they stop the LGBT from rising in George Michael's name.

Is David still living at highgate? Haven’t heard about him recently. Seems he’s faded into well deserved obscurity.

[396] LOVELIE ALERT!!!!! LOVELOELALERT!!!!!!

R397. No fuckhead. I’m not. Asking where one of gm’s payroll friends went does not make one a lovely.

Btw, learn to spell.

And when you hit ignore on r397, half the posts on this thread disappear - in particular the ones that have added nothing of value to the thread. Check your own idiocy before throwing stones at others “lovely” r397.

[399] How would you know what is being said, if you have the individual on ignore?

Nobody is still here are after 13 parts without having some interest in GM, even though he's being discussed under the heading of someone else. No point denying that.

I've had enough of the social media idiocy however, which is out of control. No doubt he would have been very disappointed. I'm giving up on all of it and will try to remember him as a musical artist, which is way he wanted to be remembered.

R400 🙄.perhaps you should learn to use the site’s functions.

Bono’s charity is a scam?

This site has been slow since there is nothing new in terms of musical material coming out. Do you guys think if he was still alive he would have made a comeback with a new album or will he decide to retire from performing. I have always pictured him becoming a mentor discovering new talents as a form of reinvention. We know his health wasn't the best and he might have a little difficulty launching a comeback.

Good g*d! Andros just made a cameo on vanderpump rules - his son James is one of the cast. Honestly he looks and talks like he just got out on a day pass from a treatment centre for the developmentally challenged. Sorry for insulting the developmentally challenged.

I say “talks” loosely as I assume that words were coming out of his mouth. He was slow and unintelligible. It was bizarre. Lisa vanderpump’s camera interview said she met him through George years ago st the end of a trip to the south of France (George owned a home in st tropes at the time) and she kind of indicated he didn’t know Andros well and her husband knew him a little as a man about town.

She greeted him saying oh I haven’t seen you in many years. Anyways the whole scene was funny and a litle sad. Lisa was looking at him like wtf has happened to you. Clearly team George. Andros looked a bit like the worst pics of George in later years looking out of it.

And yes biotches, before you start on me, I do watch this show occasionally. Lol. It’s one hour of good mindless tv after a typically intense Monday work day.

St Tropez of course. Typo.

His gradual financial descent post GM fallout was detailed as well. First they lost the Mercedes. Then the mansion. Then they moved into a chic apartment, then a regular apartment, to now living above a pub. And this why janes thinks his mother ultimately divorced Andros.

^Interesting. Is there a clip somewhere we can watch? The selling of the Diana tapes, the republished book etc indicate Andros's sons were left nothing in the will by GM. They must have been hoping that inspite of the bitter separation, George would have left the godsons something in the will. But selling of memorabilia and the stories to tabloids over the years seems to have sealed the Andros family's fate. That is why Andros is so bitter and cannot stand to see Fadi getting a settlement.

[407] So, Jackie was only with Andros for the money? I am familiar with his story is why I am asking this, because the post mention she left after the money was gone.

I don’t know. It was a bit implied but I think in the context of it making everything hard. She did meet him when he was tight with George and living the life. He hasn’t seemed to make anything of himself away from George.

Wow that's sad,[410]. I guess he thought the checks would never stop coming in for him.

[404] He was sitting on plenty of unreleased music (from albums that never materialized in the 1990s & the 2010s), and the Freedom re-issue campaign that he was planning, along with the documentary, show that he was putting some thought into a renewed public presence. I doubt he would released anything new though.

Releasing something new is how an iconic performers reinvent themselves. If he did want to reach a wider audience he would have to release new modern materials. That is in the past now. Besides he would have had to perform live again and the state of his voice was a question mark. I remembered watching that hln doc and they stated that he was depressed over the change in his voice and the radio interview kind of confirmed it. I guess he had a lot of anxiety getting back in the public with a change in weight and voice. I wondered if he was pressured into getting back in the limelight when he wasn't fully ready. I kind of wonder if everything weight now on him, his career, his golddigging companion, been extorted.

George Michael was a wealthy man. He also stated in many interviews that he was not a money obsess individual. (like his partners' are). So he really did not need to tour to gain new listeners. Because George Michael did not want to compete with singer younger then him( this is also me interviews as well).

If his fan introduce their kids to his music he was fine with that, George was not one of those performance who was trying to recreated the past and hold on to his youth. Therefore he was ok with his legacy however I do believe he was depress about the voice change, George always wanted to give the people his all and he was a perfectionist and a all around great performer.

To lose his ability to sing and connect to the audience would make a person of George's perfection when it came to performing depress.

He might not have cared about making a lot of money but he did care about his album doing very well. He was very much a competitive performer. I am sure he would have wanted his song to be popular among the younger generation. I don't think middle age fans can push a performer album to the top of the chart anymore, they are not as technology savy. The reason his song reached number one in the UK was because he died and it was like a big sendoff. He was a man with great ego who wouldn't have settled for an ok album sales. That is in the past, from what we know he would have had to deal with the change in his voice.

[415] That's true

It reminds me of Whitney once her singing voice changed it greatly affected her album sales. She never cracked the number one spot again on the billboard charts not until she died. The music industry is brutal to middle aged performers, they barely crack the top five and coupled that with change in appearance and voice.

Well [417] I will give George some credit for not touring when he's voice went. Whitney however, was a sad sad story. Those videos are still on YouTube till this day.

To be fair, George did put on quite a few concerts as part of his Symphonica tour, along with his bit at the Olympics, following that initial pneumonia scare in 2011. His voice didn't sound terrible either, though obviously it had wear and tear from smoking and age.

Had he lived, and his singing voice was in decent shape, I imagine he would put on the odd show at various European arenas. Anything beyond that is unlikely, which makes me glad I got to see him thrice when he hit the States on his 25 Live Tour.

HE still seeened to have good reviews at those post pneumonia concerts too. No one was saying his voice was trashed. Some use a few clips on utube to claim he lost it but phone videos at concerts can be sketchy sound wise. I don’t know what more drugs, head injuries, and god only knows what else would have done to his voice in the final dark years. That Nile Rodgers song didn’t have a shred of new vocals. He sounded not so good in the bbc radio interviews. But he said himself he was self destructive of his career. And himself. He achieved what his demons wanted.

Tragic that George is being remembered for his lifestyle and not the great artist he was. There are numerous arguments taking place with his Lovlies and some feel it’s their right to know every detail to the very end, to the point they think the U.K. police records and toxicology reports should be made public ! They are seriously deranged and display no respect towards George’s family ! Personally I couldn’t give a hoot about his personal life, I will remember him as the great performer he was.

The BBC interview his voice was without the usual spontaneity he once had. It sometimes felt like he was reading from a script. It almost like he wasn't really there mentally and emotionally and struggled to sound like someone who is mentally alert. Yes he got better as the interview went on. I wonder how he would have sounded live if he was still alive. It would have been bad if he sang off key or forgot some lyrics. That is in the past now but it is intriguing to speculate.

[421] those people on twitter calling themselves lovelies are no fans of George. Nor do they care about him, his music and his legacy.

This Kenny guy really hits the botox doent he? All the lovelies praising how great he looks. LOL!!

R421 and R423 it's a disgrace really. I hope there are some more sensible and normal fans out there and these are just the noisy minority. It's like a 'cult' with their own little fake cemetery that's in bad taste.

I think his lifestyle just finally caught up with him, and there was nothing anyone could really do. Pointless to keep going over it, rather than remember the good and what he created. It was probably all triggered by the depression that had begun to affect him by the mid 80s, when he was under a lot of pressure to hide who he was from the public, while at same time becoming pinup idol and world's biggest pop star. (So many entertainers now identifying as bi or gay and nobody really gives a damn, but things quite diferent 30 years ago.)

Many of you probably already seen this but I found again the message he wrote when he shut down his own forum in 2004.

"Hi everybody, this is George.

"I'm afraid that, having visited the forums on a regular basis over the past few months, simply to see how you guys thought the album/interviews/promotion were going, I have decided to close them down.

"As many of you will know, much of my reasoning for the future is to stay away from the negativity of the media, I think that it is bad for me and for music in general, so I find it really sad to see the forums so packed full of negative comment, and that so many genuinely positive fans find themselves defending me (or themselves) constantly against attack. How pointless.

"There are plenty of places to read people slagging each other off, but I wasn't trying to create one in opening the forum. Those of you that want to carry on the media's work will have to do it somewhere else I suppose.

"Things will stay the same for the next two weeks, so that those of you who have made friendships can decide which other sites to meet at, and then the rooms will close.

"I feel bad for those of you who have always been supportive, but I'm afraid I want nothing to do with the bitching that has evolved between some members, (many members), and perhaps unofficial sites will be a calmer affair.

"Sorry guys, but that's the way it goes... Peace and Love... or nothing at all.

"Love as always. George xx"

R425 Thanks for posting George's words again as a reminder. Nothing really has changed since then!

Who is really checking for Kenny for him to get botoxed. Besides the lovelies no one else cares.he is not even a star, I guess in his deluded mind he is a star that needs to keep up appearance.

R426 unfortunately not!

You might enjoy this, if you have time to listen to it. Goes for a bit more than an hour. The production isn't perfect but I thought it was quite good, with what it says about George Michael as a music artist.

It didn't get shared around a lot. But I wish we could have more stuff like this and he might be remembered a bit better, with a bit more understanding.

Us oldies grew up with George Michael, but not sure how you package him to new generation who haven't had that experience and who now live in quite a different era.

Luckily, a lot of the work is still timeless. 'Everything She Wants' for example is still a great listen.

Youngster in my family knows about 'Last Christmas', 'Wake Me Up' and 'Wham Rap' - he does his own silly versions of those songs. But I hope eventually he discovers a bit more.

I guess Kenny looks okay but the pictures of the sisters last year show the obvious toll on them, especially Yioda. I think Melanie was the younger one and always the stronger or most outgoing, so things have been left in her hands.

R428 Thanks for linking to that! You did quite a bang-up job exploring that under-researched period of George's career (and you have a cute voice, too!).

Keep at it - I'm glad I know about your work now!

THanks for linking that show r428. I had not heard it before and it was terrific. One can really appreciate the lushness, sensitivity and complexity of his music from that era. Musical genius.

And what an ending line. I hope he does feel free. Somewhere out in the cosmos. Thanks for blessing us with your music and the beautiful heart and soul that you expressed through it.

R430 the poster and the show host are not the same person FYI

R433 yeah it's not me. I think he produces these shows mainly on his own, but that piece was far better than many 'professional' documentaries or histories I've seen.

He's on Facebook etc, as per link below. Well worth checking out.

I thought it was an actual show but it is just an audio recording of his career. It is not easy to enjoy i just listened to five minutes. There has to be a better musical doc about his career with very popular younger artists participating. He needs a prince mj like doc. That is a great way to introduce him to a much younger generation.

I thought it was terrific. Thanks r428! It was nice to hear something that focused on the music.

Kirsty Young speaking about George during that final interview

R437 that's really the same as she said a few months ago. I don't want to speculate about what may have been planned. But I took it as him saying that the 'Older' LP which he regarded as his best work came out of a very painful experience, and even though the last few years had been crap for him, he felt something good had to come out of it.

If anything, he was probably emphasizing how difficult the last few years had been, even though we are left guessing what he was going through.

Much has been said about how his speech sounded in the final interview. I thought perhaps he'd had a few drinks (they were talking about wine) and he was tired. Who knows?

The Mirror has a worthless story, describing Alex as a 'professional dog walker' and still pushing for a memorial concert.

Tony Hadley says that such an event is probably still too much for the family to cope with. I'm still baffled though that they've rejected that and a permanent public memorial, in favour of the Highgate parties in fake graveyard and the dubious, ill managed 'fundraisers'.

R438 The thing is that his voice sounded similarly horse on the newly recorded sections of the Freedom documentary.

I've listened to many of his interviews from beginning to end, there is definite change. Some of that is natural with aging. I still don't think we can necessarily know what his singing voice may have been like. As Kirsty Young said, it wasn't the same GM as in being as 'dynamic' as he once was, there was still the core.

I don't think a big tour would have been a good idea. We've debated it many times over here - if the plans were real or serious.

His family I think are trying to keep his probate private, so we may never know the value of his estate and state of financial affairs when he went. I don't think he'd lost everything, but the value of his estate may have been overestimated by the media (that's not uncommon). Even the biggest fortunes can be lost and though his biggest tours were very profitable, GM was often inactive for long periods of time. He wasn't the most extravagant pop star but gave a lot away, had legal expenses, he put big budgets into his work, he was in one of the most expensive private rehabs for a year or more towards the end. His most recent financial filings show his funds at an unusually low balance, if they weren't being transferred somewhere else.

So I think unfortunately he may have felt a bit under pressure to do a few more shows for money, as was rumoured in his last year. He may have tried to reintroduce himself gradually.

I think it's real sad when entertainers who should have been set for life, and were once legendary, end up back on the touring circuit when past their best. It's also a risk. I don't like to think that maybe GM was pushing himself too hard to try and make a comeback and put undue stress on himself. But it's something that may just have been bound to happen anyway.

And of course no proof, just theorizing, with very few facts to hand and so much we may never know. That's just how it is.

Many around him though have said they were actually surprised he lasted as long as he did. Long term factors probably played the biggest part so I don't feel a great need to know exactly what was going on in the last few days.

Time's been good to Pepsi & Shirlie, and I think Andrew - even if he doesn't have his hair. He keeps fit with cycling, leads a fairly quiet life. The other day I looked up Rick Astley and wouldn't you know - looks hardly any different to how he did in the 80s! Whereas GM was unrecognizable. Everyone gets older and I stayed interested in him for his music, not his looks. But I think his lifestyle played a part in how he aged.

I must have missed this last year. He may be a tool at times but John Lydon (aka Johnny Rotten of Sex Pistols for any young uns scratching their heads) also paid tribute to George Michael.

They might have seemed opposite ends of the spectrum in the 80s and I know that Lydon can be a real tool. But I think that he might've respected George for not always trying to be politically safe in more recent times. Also his individualism.

Remember when George did Desert Island Discs and chose Nirvana? It surprised a few but he had quite diverse tastes. It appears that Kurt Cobain may also have been an early GM fan - he had George on his mix tapes in the 80s.

*Ima tool for repeating myself and calling him a tool twice. Mixed up today.

With the way he was smoking and drinking after his health issues, I don't think we want to speculate how much older he would have looked if he was still alive. He seems to be aging rapidly and his voice wasn't just horsey it was no longer spontaneous like it used to. If he was still alive he will have to seriously live a healthy lifestyle there can be no hard drugs cigarette and alcohol and he will need to exercise. I don't think he had the will power since those dangerous habits seem like an escapism.

Ridgeley looks pos

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Do you guys think George lied a lot to protect his friend. George will tell stories how Andrew was the more outgoing and cooler one. Andrew came across in those wham interviews as the more reserved and less outgoing one that it was hard to imagine Andrew been this confident cool dude. He seems like he was lying to protect Andrew and sell the image of wham. Yes I do believe that George and Andrew both pinged and it has nothing to do with Andrew been british. The difference is that Andrew appeared more grounded because he left the music business. Besides George had more sex appeal than him even though he was the openly gay one.

I wonder if Andrew was very closeted and deeply conflicted that George was willing to protect his friend. He might have been deeply bisexual and that might account for his lack of charisma.

Deeply bisexual? Lack of charisma? What are you on about?

What is up with all these bizarre Andrew posts?!

There really is no hope of saving this thread. It should just close down. Ugh. Lol.

[446] When was George Michael openly gay during the Wham years? The same man that went out his way creating this macho sexy image even till the end? The same man that was thrown out of that closet and tried to spin it? That George Michael you are speaking of.

I wasn't stating that gm was openly gay then what I stated was eventually, meaning later. Poster 449 relax it is only four or five comment about Andrew in this thread. It doesn't mean any of us care to turn it into a Andrew comment section. He is not that interesting in my opinion to warrant a long discussion.

It seems like some people just click on this thread and took no time to understand the previous poster observation and just state blank response. If you have no interest in the previous topic don't reply with a nonsense one line sentence. It just shows laziness when you nitpick what the previous poster stated when you weren't interested in the first place.

bisexual my ass Andrew is gay

George and his father Jack

George’s close pal Tony Hadley this week revealed the pop icon’s family are still too devastated to agree a final farewell charity concert.

The show – planned by Esther Rantzen and backed by the Sunday Mirror and Simon Cowell – could raise millions for causes the star loved.

George Michael's beloved dog Abby is unhappy and 'soulless' without tragic star

Harry Styles performs George Michael

Jason Pringle, from Plymouth, said: “The track is good, but the chorus clearly has that amazing George riff from Faith. You can hear it as clear as day.

[455] 'Sunday Mirror'.

As if Tony Hadley was a close pal!!!!!

And that dog must be bloody ancient! Labradors don't live long lives, she will be on her last legs naturally. I doubt she spent much time with George in the last couple of years of his life- he was away in rehab or at goring and she was being looked after by Alex who lives in London. The stories about her in the press are utter tosh.

lol @ the Andrew posts above. Old Ridgeley was a classic pussyhound!

Nice to see that George is getting a blue plaque approved by the family. It's a positive step forward. There really should be permanent memorials for him although I agree with those who have said, he'd prefer something simple. And if people wanted to pay tribute to him I think he'd be happy if they chose to do something nice for someone else or contributed to a good charity.

Yeah right, I guess been pictured with women means he was dating them all. Andrew suffers from the same assumption that most fans think when they see pictures of male celebs with attractive women. The fans authomatically think they are banging the women and label them a pussyhound. I think that term is over used and ridiculous.

Back in the Wham days, Andrew once actually said he thought that George was more of a 'ladies man' than he was - interpret that how you like! He said he preferred being in a more stable relationship.

He used to get in the tabloids more than George though in the early days. After awhile, that started getting to him - as well as the jibes that he was the non talented member of the duo. It's obvious now how important a role he did play. He and George had an arrangement where they both knew their roles and it suited them both.

Something I have wondered, though I have no way of knowing - how do GM's family feel about other people in the music business? Do they have negative feelings about the industry and the people in it? There's a few they probably don't trust. In his final interview, George sounded quite bitter at Robbie Williams (though I think Robbie has taken it okay). It appears he really did fall out badly with Elton, though they'd sort of made it up towards the end. Things like that are not always easy to put behind you.

I think that Boy George was genuinely upset when GM died, but they'd had their troubles. There are others I think George may have managed to piss off that were big names (I felt there were some notable omissions among the celebrity tributes).

So I'm wondering if this may be part of the reason why GM's family have been reluctant to have a big musical tribute with different artists - because of the way George may have felt about them behind the scenes?

Also, what do they do with Fadi and Kenny if they want to be there? Seat them together all evening and see how that goes?

[464] Kenny and Fadi would not be there. George was not married to neither one, so them being there would be strange. The lady who is responsible for the Blue Plaque to George's school @ his old school mate.

Blue plaque for George update! Wording has now been approved direct from George’s family and whilst they sadly cannot attend the unveiling, they thank us all and hope the day is a huge success. @ajridgeley @Shirliekemp @PepsiDemacqueC @Shirley__Goss How good is that? 💙

Why should those grifters be there. I think Shirley and his other bandmates should be the only ones there since his family wont be there.

[466] I agree with that quote. His band mates where with George when his dreams were just that. They would have loved him with or without the fame. However, those grafters only wanted the fame and money. So they can stay where they are or look for another sugar-daddy to care for them.

R464 Andrew was helping maintain George’s secret at the time.

Who do you feel we’re such notable omissions r464?

Random act of meanness at the time...especially knowing George’s declining mental state by 2013.

R469 Tom Jones, Rod Stewart said nothing.

We can say they weren't really GM's true contemporaries but they did cross paths at times. George said that one of his earliest influences was listening to Tom Jones and The Supremes repeatedly. As one author said 'It was a combination that would later tint his own musical output.' Tom Jones and GM both did music that was in the black music genre - though I think that GM did it more naturally and better.

(But what would you know - there's a story just come out about Tom Jones being nearly moved to tears by a contestant covering GM on 'The Voice'.)

George made a few comments shading Rod Stewart (probably deserved), and I think Rod may be the type to hold a grudge.

At the Grammies the family insisted on Adele performing the tribute to George. She was still publicly loyal to GM up to the end.

George had ridiculed Bono Vox a bit, though the estate have recently supported Bono's international AIDS charity.

How many celebrity friends did George really have left in the end? It has to be said though that he didn't seem to care much for that kind of company.

He liked Princess Diana because of how she helped reduce the stigma of HIV/AIDS. I don't know how he felt about the rest of the royals. Apparently, he briefly met Queen Elizabeth in the 1980s and they had a chat.

Politically he was a moderate and wary about getting tied to any particular group or leader - like some pop stars do and end up selling themselves out. We could go a lot further into that but it'd probably be boring for many.

Things are a real mess on Twitter, which I'm trying to take less notice of nowadays. But I dropped in for a sec. Things are as nasty as ever.

I don't know why it's so important about who people side with - whether it's Fadi, Kenny, or Alex.

I just don't get how George was obviously not stupid, but ended up with these sorts of people in his life or working for him for so long.

But one of his associates noted back in his early solo career that he could be 'so clever and sharp and aware, and at other times so narrow and unaware... When he decides he is only interested in one thing, nothing else seems to be in his head at all. And then he suddenly turns around and shows a huge understanding of what is going on around him.'

I guess that's how I often felt. He had such uncannily good judgment in some areas, but lacking in others.

I don't think he always thought things through. He was intuitive - and sometimes the results were great, sometimes not so much. But once he was set on something he could be very bloody minded and stubborn about it.

(Not having a real go at him. I just recognise, he wasn't perfect. Nobody is. Any of them who have long careers are going to make mistakes. But thank God nobody is completely perfect as they'd likely be very one dimensional and uninteresting. One of George's skills was that he could take something that was real bad or messed up, and manage to get something good out of it artistically.)

Thanks r471 and r472. God insights.

George could definitely be very stubborn and myopic at tones. These are the same traits though that probably helped him achieve his early success though.

One thing that I noticed that bothered me and it was likely a symptom of his gradual unraveling due to the drugs and his emotional issues was that after the LA bathroom incident he went in tv and showed his wit and humour and took an unapologetic stance. It was universally considered a good reaction to the media storm. He was praised widely for how he handles that. However that seemed to lead to a trend of him saying way to much to the media all the time when issues came up and would get very personal about his thoughts about himself etc etc. Sometimes he just made things worse because if you are always going to give the media a reaction they will hang around you more waiting for one. Like why talk to the media outside your house the se second you are released from jail and clearly have had a few drinks already. Why call into tv shoes all punchy and defensive. A few well made statements from a pr hack would have helped him get some privacy back that he craved media would move on if they thought it’s all they will get. He made things worse for himself. It was so off considering he was a supposedly “private person”. He let people in way too much. Then when he really broke down in the final years the silence was deafening.

^good. Not god lol.

^ times. Not tones. Ugh. Typos

It is quiet a good analogy about the conflicting private and public persona he cultivated. He seems deeply conflicted about if he wanted to be a private celeb or a very public one. You are right about the complete silence from him the last few years of his life. No public appearance what soever, he practically became a prisoner of his own fame. Who could have thought he will become a reclusive and then the end.

R463 Andrew suffers from the same assumption that most fans think when they see pictures of male celebs with attractive women.

You are delusional Andrew calls the paps himself he's no big celeb no paparazzi has ever followed him same for all those poor queens they need to be photographed w women for their fake hetero persona so naive people like R461 buy their pussyhound bs . Just look at Andrews photos w his beards all the photos scream staged

R461 bet u think DiCaprio, Clooney, Pitt and CR7 are pussyhounds lol

Did you read my comment because it seems like whatever I wrote flew over your head.

[477] must be one of those lovelies who stan for either Kenny, Alex, or that garden. Because this poster have been writhing things about Andrew for the last few days that makes on sense at all. So, I guess they moved on to Andrew because the campaign to hate David failed. I can now understand his family's reactions to anything to honor George.

I got frustrated at how he handled things too, and know that George brought a lot of problems on himself, but there were times I thought his feelings about the media were valid. Both about how they hounded him excessively, and the wider social effects of people like Murdoch controlling media.

He wanted to move away from the image but just as he was doing that, he got creatively stuck. Then just as he was getting over that, he lost his mother to cancer. It was like he couldn't win.

I think if he'd just kept producing more music and letting that speak for him, he might have made it through better. But the last two decades just weren't very productive.

He wasn't like Elton, who always had a high rate of output. But George did much of his work on his own, even during Wham. He didn't have a collaborator like Elton had Bernie Taupin.

On another note. GM's family say they won't be at the blue plaque unveiling. Some of the Twitter trolls are already calling them 'disrespectful' for not being there. But after everything GM went through, I don't blame them for being leery of the media and the more unhinged fans. I'd probably do everything I could to avoid them too.

I could never have thought though that someone like Alex would be the one left to deal with the fan community. He's clearly not up to handling it and is an unpleasant individual. I suppose that George might have kept him on out of a sense of loyalty, or maybe to try and keep some of the Georgious 'on side'. Now it's turned into a very messy situation that some of the real PR should've taken control of a long time ago - how I feel anyway.

I don't really care for FF but I don't think Alex's involvement and irresponsible behavior has helped things nowt. Yet another letdown in this whole sad saga.

Just one question out of sheer curiosity: can anyone confirm that Alex attended the funeral?

No, Alex wasn't in any of the photos of attendees and neither was Andros.

Alex and Andros did not have a contract with the Sun /Daily Mirror to be Photoshop as if they were at George's funeral. Because NY Daily News in the United Stated showed lot of photos, but choose to focus on Andrew because he was the most known to the U.S public.

When you Google some of the photos from the funeral you will Most of those photos come from O.K. magazine etc. These magazines made George life a living hell and they change images to fit their negative. However, the NY Daily had no dog in the race hence the difference in who really attend George's funeral.

If you go to 18 minute mark of this show, Andros talks briefly about Alex.

They're still friends on social media and Andros seems to claim that Alex being there was a way he could still get information about George.

(I found it difficult to listen to the whole show because I find Andros so overbearing and arrogant. For a time, he was partying with George and enabling him as much as anyone else. I have sometimes wondered if deep down he had some envy of George's success.)

Despite supposedly being George's 'right hand man' I don't know if Alex really spent that much time with George, especially recent years. Fadi started accompanying George and driving him around. Alex seemed left to look after the Highgate property and George's pets while George was in a long term rehab and at Goring, trying to stay away from city temptations.

Someone has said that Alex's residence isn't actually the main house, it's a smaller quarters on the premises for household staff. I can't see him handling complicated matters for George and if they really were related, it was less directly than many others in George's family who aren't in public eye.

With how tightly George's team control some other areas of his business, it seems strange that this is overlooked. GM obviously left a few things 'unresolved' and they are going through grief, but it should be possible to hire services to help deal with some of these other situations, where it now sometimes feels like nobody is at the wheel.

But sorry for dragging this out as everyone's probably had enough of it. Perhaps once the main business is sorted through (which can take time with a more complex estate) they might eventually decide to sell the properties at Highgate and Goring, because George's family seem to prefer living privately. At that time there will probably be a clean up and a few rearrangements.

George Michael Musical Genius - Songwriter, Composer, Singer. But he was driven by his dick and drugs since the 1990s. It is a surprise he lasted as long as he did as some of his friends thought. David and Shirlie saying he was happy and normal and fine etc was just sheer lies.

I can’t believe Andros said in that radio show that fast love was written about him. And Kate Moss in white light was a dig at Andros cause she’s his fave model. Not because George and her were neighbors and fellow cokeheads together.

Andros is a narcissist for sure. But he also clearly had George figured out. And he was right that white light and anything except “Amazing “ he wrote post 2000 sucked and was below George’s talent level as a songwriter.

Alex was just a way on both sides of keeping the two extended families ‘together’ to an extent despite the falling out. Give the half wit a job type of thing. I’m not sure it worked. I think their fathers etc ended up not staying friends either.

Question to ponder. As much of a goof as Andros is - would George have stayed relatively sane and not descended so deep into ruin had Andros been around still? I know they did drugs together but George didn’t spin out badly until after. Not saying his mother’s death etc wasn’t killing him but could Andros have saved George from the post 2000 deep descent?

Or - Was the falling out more of a gradual build up due to George not wanting anyone to call him on his increasingly questionable risky drug addled behaviour?

R486 a lot of questions we may never entirely know the answer to.

I won't give George carte blanche excuse. But I think I can see how some of it all happened. I won't judge him for all of it.

In the early days of Wham Andrew was probably as popular as George, for his looks. The tabloids turned on him first, for his partying and clubbing antics. George was doing the same, but tended to go to the quieter clubs. Andrew was still going to those at the higher end of social scene and making a spectacle of himself in front of media and photographers.

All that probably helped deflect some of the attention away from George, but fortunately for Andrew it was a phase he eventually got tired of. After Wham, George had to deal with the entire focus being on him.

I can sort of understand his decision to keep his sexuality private, given the era - and nearly everyone else was doing the same. Even Boy George took awhile to actually confirm he was gay. He usually tended to deflect the topic. Freddie Mercury wasn't definite. Elton tried to marry a woman etc.

George took a break after Wham were finished, and during that time I think he seriously considered giving up his pop career. But if he had, he would've always wondered what else he may have been able to achieve.

He later confessed that after Wham he spent a year or so drinking very heavily, gaining weight and also doing quite a lot of drugs. During this time he said he started having less communication with his family, because he didn't want them to know how bad it was getting. In the 80s, Andros was in the media occasionally and it's quite obvious, at that time he was a very hard partier too.

I agree with Kenny that I think GM was only truly happy during the early days of Wham. By 1985 I think he was already in very serious trouble, though he managed to snap out of it for awhile to craft the Faith LP. Andrew was very seriously concerned about George in the time between the Wham breakup and the Faith LP.

In 1988, Elton had publicly proclaimed himself to be gay and by 1990 he'd put himself through serious rehab. I think he knew that to get clean and sober, he had to start living his truth. It worked well for him. He looked happier and healthier than he had in a long time and I also thought he was making better music.

That journey wasn't as smooth for George though, due to various things. Such as losing the first person he really said he found happiness with to AIDS, at a time when not much could be done for the condition.

Despite his troubles, I think I prefer his personality to many other big celebrity names. Those who knew him long before fame describe him as naturally kind and thoughtful, in a quietish sort of way.

Even though people usually need support during their recovery from addiction, it's something they have to want for themselves - or else nobody can save them.

Back to what is supposed to be the subject of this thread for a moment, though I don't look at his Twitter/FB these days. I can't believe it's the same old arguments about FF over and over on Twitter. Whenever it starts calming down, it seems that something or someone just comes along and stirs it up all over again.

I'm not crazy about FF and I don't think all the attacks against him are driven by homophobia, but some of it on that's more extreme, holding him responsible for GM's death and having double standards certainly is. I also suspect racism - with how he's been called an 'ISIS terrorist' because of his Arabic origins, even though he's not Muslim at all. (Obviously if he was though - still not appropriate.)

He may have been in denial a lot of the time, and may not have had a perfect relationship with Fadi, but I think if George could say anything it would be - 'Nobody did this to me, I did it to myself.' What the hell is in these people's heads?

I’m sure your questions and pondering r488 can be answered by perusing the other thirteen parts of the thread named after your very specific subject. Unfortunately for you some topics will indeed stray to cover off umm George himself.

Andrew has just announced he will be at the unveiling of the plaque, along with Shirlie.

As said previously, the family won't be there.

As was found during the News Of The World phone hacking scandal though, the tabloids in the UK can be just as invasive and horrible to the family members of celebrities, as well as the celebrities themselves. Therefore I think it's understandable they want to avoid all that.

"To me, SHE (Mary Austin) was my common-law wife. To me, it was a marriage." - Freddie Mercury

“I know what I am, I'm a mother. I'm a woman. [bold]I'm heterosexual./bold] Period,” - Whitney Houston

People out there know I'm a married woman. [bold]I mean, what kind of a person am I – to be married and to have another life? First of all, my husband wouldn't go for it – let's get that out of the way, okay? He's all boy, and he ain't goin' for it, okay?[/bold] - Whitney Houston

[486] Was Andros secretly in love with George or just plain jealous of him

[488] Some of George's fan do come across as racist, I have read some of the terrible thing some have written abut Pat, Kathy and Fadi. When you read this crap you think these people clearly are not fans of George. Because he did not talk nor act like this.

[490] I am very happy the read that those who truly love George will be on hand for the unveiling of the plaque in George's honor.

Kathy was pretty but she was also an ecstasy addict still better than a fame whore gold digging former porn star/current escort !

I assume Andros is closeted and his wife was a lesbian beard to me It seems like Andros was in unrequited love w George

R 492 what does that have to do with George. You just randomly copy and paste an article about Whitney for no apparent reason.

WTF has this thread have in relation to Whitney Houston 🤔

just found this...what do you think? go to #65 Rebekah Brooks

George tweeted about this woman

James Kennedy's mother [bold]Jacqueline Georgiou[/bold] robbed a bank!?

[quote]“Well, she robbed a bank! I don’t know if I’m allowed to say this. She robbed a bank and she stole money from Kristen and it was like a huge deal. I don’t want to know too many details because of reasons like this, I have to say them on a podcast. So just don’t tell me. She might be my hero.”

Interesting!

James Kennedy’s Mother Allegedly Stole Kristen Doute’s Credit Card & Tons More #PumpRules Tea

no wonder she sold fake stories about George to papers

Well, Andros whole family mooch of George for so many year, they had to turn to crime just to live. Lying, stealing , cheating selling stories and whoring their son on television. I mean why do all that when Andros could have just applied for a regular job and live of his friend. I guess Andros believe that George would care for him and his family forever.

I think George may have had some encounters with women in the 80s - he later said it was usually under the influence of alcohol and very brief. He and Andrew were frequently at clubs and those things would happen, so it's plausible. (Who cares? It was decades ago and they were newly famous young pop stars.)

After Wham, the media tried closing in on George and some of the tabloids tried to make a story of how he, David and Andros all went on a holiday together, as if something was going on. I don't believe there ever was. It's all pure speculation and gossip. George at the time said one was always regarded as a family member, the other one of his closest friends since he was about two years old. David and Andros both had steady girlfriends at the time and the media knew it.

At that time, I think George was 'compartmentalizing' his life and there were some boundaries he stuck to. He tried keeping some friends and family around from the days before he was famous. That small team was supposed to be his support system and stability amid the craziness of fame, and I think he would've felt a huge sense of betrayal when Andros started going to the media, selling his story and pictures that were quite private and personal. He was very protective over his family and I can understand why he would've been upset - for them as much as himself.

I find Andros quite transparent and think he always had his own goals and aspirations that were frustrated because he didn't have the same talent and appeal as George. He was obviously into all the trappings of showbiz life and getting to meet celebrities. As George's career started to go through some stagnant periods, I think that's about the time Andros began to turn a bit disloyal.

That's how fame is though. No matter how they may try to deny that fame and fortune has changed them and affected their relationships, I think it has to, at least to some degree. Hangers on are attracted like a magnet and can sense any vulnerability.

Re Whitney - may not seem to belong in this thread but I think she actually had a lot in common with George. I know someone whose partner worked and travelled with Whitney during the 1980s. She was already trying to take care of a lot of other people. The public and private Whitney were different individuals. Out of everyone around her, she was probably the least interested in material rewards of fame. She knew she had to do the marketing and promotion to have a platform for her talent, but was never really into it.

Like George, she had to deal with the discrimination of that era - and for her, it was also race and gender.

And yes - it is upsetting to see George Michael fans of all people who have racist and other prejudiced attitudes, that are reflected in the way they carry themselves online. Race obviously wasn't an issue for him.

Not saying FF is an angel. But George was likely surrounded by many other hangers on who for a long time depended on him and then repaid all that by brazenly selling him out. Yet some have had halos put on their heads.

I'm probably not helping though by continuing to post on this haphazard thread with unsubstantiated gossip/speculation that is waste of time. I'm glad he's getting a plaque and would rather focus on that for now. All the other news is recycled. There's Simon Napier-Bell again stating his old theories about George. He really has no idea because George never opened up to him that much. I think George already explained things in interviews, just softened some of the details.

(One thing is for sure - the tabloids sure miss GM and being able to print headlines about him. So they just rehash old ones.)

[505] I really enjoy your post very informative. Those lovelies are so group of charters in their actions. Sad

George Michael: 'Rebekah Brooks told me about News of the World, police corruption'

George Michael harboured secret childhood trauma that fuelled his creativity and 'suicidal' drug use, fears ex-manager

Amanda Peterson's later years and death reminds me of George's check out her wikipedia page. arrests, addiction, physical and mental problems

After her death in 2015 Mandy's family revealed that she was raped at age 15 and had not disclosed it at the time, what had happened to her was the root to all her problems She died at the age of 43, few days before her 44th birthday Her body was discovered by police when her family became concerned after Peterson missed a scheduled family dinner. She even had suffered from sleep apnea and bouts of pneumonia and sinusitis like George

Let me introduce you to the next Great Novelist . Yes. the Icon Partner after his attempts at writing poetry is now penning a novel :-P

How can illiterate rentboy pen a novel. I feel sorry for the editor who has to edit his words.

Fadi no, but I believe Kenny is working on a book. When that bitch comes out all of those crazy lovelies will full pledge their allegiance full to Kenny. You know he'll write himself as this long suffering partner to this crazy, depressing and drugging individual who constantly embarrass him with his crazy antics.

Also Fadi can't read nor write. Therefore,how can he write or tell a story for his book.

Wham didn't really have a manager in earliest part of their career but they were in an awful contract with a powerful label, so they got a manager who was known to be ruthless and aggressive (Napier-Bell), and hired Russells lawyers.

But George never entirely trusted SNB (can't blame him) and I don't know if he viewed him as a manager in traditional sense. He was there to carry out what George and Andrew wanted him to do etc.

It's known that George sometimes had conflicts with his father and regarded his parents as remote and distant during his childhood. He acknowledged that many young people seek fame because they are trying to find some affirmation or validation for themselves, or they are covering some insecurities. That applied to him as well.

The main trauma was probably put on him by the media and pressure to maintain a certain public image. At the beginning of Wham, HIV and AIDS fear wasn't yet a concern. George was still a teen and described himself as confused.

George seemed overjoyed at first when Wham became successful, but it soon turned complicated for him with some of the tough realities.

From what we know now, I think it's quite easy to see what the issues were. He did want a happy personal life but it was very difficult in his situation.

When you feel that way, it's easy to start trying to stave off loneliness and depression and fill the void by 'self medicating' and the 'fast love'. There are many who do that and don't manage to survive it. There are some who say he was just a selfish, shallow, manipulative, fraudulent person who just wanted to have a good time and nothing else. (If that's the callous view they have I don't know why they're still here.) Yes it was risky and irresponsible at times but I don't think that's all it was about. From the mid 80s I think it's quite clear he had severe bouts of depression and it was a long hard battle.

R507 He isn't penning a novel, but a dirty little tell-all-book. And I guess he isn't writing it in the usual sense. He pens his memories and someone else will bring it into a readable form. Maybe the IG lady... R509 The Crazies aren't interested in Kenny's stories. He told already most of it. They want to know what happened in the time after M1 up to his death. So they will buy it, even if they say they wouldn't.

I am sure most of you want to know what happened from 2013-2016 lets be honest. If one of his kept men wrote a book some of you guys will be super curious to read through the book. We might not be the lovelies but we want to know the untold "truth" or a glimpse of what happened in his final reclusive years. R 510 Other people in previous thread have also addressed what you stated. I believe there is more for someone to self disrupt.

Fadi has an interesting “like” on his Twitter recently. It’s a tweet about how suicide devastates those left behind.

One of the “lovelies” has pictures on their Instagram of George & Kenny at an airport way back when. Kieran Smyth is also in one of the shots.

R513. That’s not shocking r513. There are pics of George and Kieran as far back as 2009-10 and kenny wasn’t out of his life fully yet.

It is a well documented fact that he started hanging with a new group that included people like paul stag as far back as 2004. Kieran smyth was in the same drugs and porn star, rent-boy circles so it’s nit like they never could have met when he was with kenny. . George was right into that scene. He and kenny were not monogamous either.

R502 you’re entire long winded post (yawn) is full of gossipy speculation so you probably should hold off on the sanctimonious spew about this thread like you’re so above it all.

^your

[514] those lovelies acts as if these people enter his life after Kenny doll left. When in reality he was in the center of those times and fully aware of what was going on during that time and he knew these individuals. The lovelies acts as if Kenny is some sort of clues victim who love the this reckless musician. I mean come on people.

R517 A very popular saga amongst the lovelies is that all these people appeared on the scene only after Kenny left. If he had stayed, according to them, all would be bliss and happiness. GM was sooo blinded to let Kenny go. Kenny is a victim of GM's bad judgement. Rararara...

[519] the lovelies also believe that Kenny was the best thing to happen to GM. When the man clearly states who his true love was, they acts as if Anselmo never happen

Lets be honest the lovelies are quiet homophobic and the only reason they accept Kenny is because he is the best of George boyfriends in comparison to Anselmo who died of aids. It is obvious they never cared for the deceased boyfriend and they probably wished George never mentioned his name. It also does not mean they truly like Kenny but he is much better in comparison to fadi.

I guess I’m some rare person who doesn’t think much of fadi or kenny. It’s not one or the other for me. Anselmo, I never knew much about, other than what George has said of him. This isn’t with much but Andros was around at that time and has never said a bad word of that relationship (and you know he would) and even gave one of his children that middle name. I not bring that up cause he’s really the only additional source you can name who has spoken of anselmo. That brad guy (the photographer) whined that anselmo was getting better gifts than him cause anselmo was the official bf, makes it seem that it wasn’t monogamous, but that’s a choice and not an indicator of how good the relationship was or how much genuine love GM and anselmo shared. MY PHONE IS acting up I’m going to hit send before proofreading sorry for any typos

R520 Homophobic? You are such an idiot. What has homophobia to do eith it. Not every word against someone who is gay is homophobic. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation and NOT a political view. Accusing Fadi of doing this or that because people thought he is a Muslim (he clearly isn't) was racist. But to question his love to George because he is acting like he does on twitter has nothing to do with homophobia or racism. And question Kenny's love isn't homophobic either. George gave him one million or so, so he thought he got away with playing around as he said himself. That is enough to question their relationship and if it was "real love". We all know that the "love of his live" bullshit made up by Kenny doll wasn't true in the end.

R 522 you clearly did not really read my comment. You are just one of the lovelies and you don't represent some whom might be truly homophobic. Why are you so defensive, please do us a favor and use your meds. I don't care for any of his golddigging boyfriends but I have read comments in previous threads and some of the lovelies sound quiet homophobic.

I'm not one of those deranged lovelies and I'm clearly not interested in the question with whom GM f***. I was just angry about these boring homophobic accusations. It stops every normal discussion. The Lovelies are stupid. If they were fans who really are interested in GM they would go on and stops discussing wether Anselmo, Kenny or Fadi or whoever was the right one. It is not the public's business what he was doing in bed. They should mind their own business or better get a life. That's all. Didn't want to offend you R523, so I apologize for my rant.

It's R524 again. Sorry for the typos. Wrote to fast.

R524. Honestly - and it’s not really a slam - why are you even on a thread called fadi fawaz saga spending your time if it bothers you so much and feel its no ones business what his boyfriends were like? Seems like a waste of your time. Your anger about it all will certainly not stop the thread or people talking about what they want while trying to work through their upset over gm’s sudden death, or just gossiping by going over aspects of his life. It seems if you think everyone on here is a lovely who needs to get a life you should move on yourself to something more productive vs hanging around in their threads?

R 524 apology accepted. I do believe the lovelies can learn something about civil adult discussions. Some people are fans who seem sadden by his death and it is natural for them to play investigator. His death was sudden to some and not so surprising to most of us in this thread and in previous threads. The writing was on the wall years before he died. If you read the old threads created while he was alive, few commentators stated their concern about his health and mental state and wondered if he will still be alive in few years.

R527 If you are referring to my comment about sudden in r526 I was referring sudden as in the shock of Christmas Day. Most people who followed him also knew he had gone into rehab and all about the dark years . As far as I’m concerned everyone lingering on this thread is a lovely of some sort looking to get something out of posting here. Not sure why so many frequent posters are pretending to be above it all. It’s totally obnoxious.

I never really cared about his partners, and still don't. Just no interest.

It was well known that George was into quite a wild scene. But many male musicians who are touring all the time have open relationships and are promiscuous. George was just a bit more honest about it. You can bet many 'straight' stars had as many or more partners as he did.

People don't have to 'like' Fadi and I for one am not a fan/follower. But I find it embarrassing that a year after the funeral service, some of the 'lovelies' are still vilifying FF around the clock and accusing him of killing George, not getting him help in time etc. The whole thing was investigated and he was never legally charged with anything. Even if George was on the outs with FF, I think he'd be horrified at someone being wrongly accused of causing his death. It's not doing him or his legacy any good service.

Alex (who enthusiastically supports militantly homophobic bloggers and hate groups, but has been given a sainthood by 'lovelies') helped stir it up again by befriending that 'Angela Spanos' woman who really knows nothing except for the gossip and what's been in the tabloids. She tried to implicate FF in death of Stephen Gately when it's obvious, he wasn't even there! She blasted him over a picture that had been posted previously while GM was still around and no doubt, he saw the picture himself and was okay with it. He wasn't a prude. They also keep going back to the leaked phone call with FF waiting an hour before calling emergency services.

That was bad verbal slip by FF but if George was stiff and blue at time of the phone call, he'd already been gone for several hours and waiting one hour wouldn't have made any difference. I believe FF found him close to or around lunch time, when he didn't get up, and there was nothing he could do. A similar thing happened to Amy Winehouse.

Yet still fans saying - they can't let it go because if there was the 'slightest chance' he could still be here, blah blah blah. There was no chance at all. It was too late.

FF probably checked out the scene a bit and cleaned anything up that may have looked bad. After being in GM's retinue for that time, he was probably used to covering up for him and trying to protect him from the loathed tabloids. Many celebrity death scenes (where they've obviously been gone for awhile before discovered) are probably quickly cleaned up in similar manner all the time.

But from the results even that was unlikely to have made any difference to the eventual finding. George's toxicology couldn't have been that extraordinary and he had pre-existing health conditions. Unfortunately the results took such a long time, because of extra testing and perhaps because George's family didn't want everything made public.

Not all the criticism against FF is homophobic but obsessively accusing someone of murder with no evidence just makes these toons look like haters who are harboring homophobic prejudice. I think that's what it is, if they could be honest with themselves.

And yes I think part of the reason why Kenny is favoured - despite selling GM out to media himself - is because fans find him a bit more palatable than FF. He's not as 'foreign', hasn't been an x-rated gay model/actor. If they couldn't have George, and couldn't relate to his orientation, then they want to at least imagine him with someone who might have appealed to them as well. They can then romanticize it however they want and it's easier for them to deal with.

I think many fans got used to GM's sexuality long ago, but it's probably a few in America who weren't as aware of his post-Faith career who still think he should have been straight. Well he would've been miserable if he'd kept trying to be straight and the worst thing about being gay for him was probably the prejudice and backlash he had to deal with, especially in that era.

*Sorry to be so long winded in 529, it's just something I find very disturbing and I think is very bad for the fan community. I don't look at FF's posts, I think sometimes he is trying to push people's buttons, but some people's behavior goes too far. If he's trying to say GM committed suicide, then that implies a huge cover up, involving officials and authorities - so is something quite serious. I don't think that's what it was per se, but George's behaviour over a long period of time can be seen as a very drawn out process of self destruction.

George was rumoured to be suicidal at times ever since the mid 80s. I think it's very telling that he donated so much money to suicide prevention services for young people - young gay people are at higher risk of suicide. George may have considered it at times but I think he also felt a sense of responsibility and even if he had his bad times, overall he wanted to be a positive and hopeful example. So I was dreading a 'suicide' verdict by the coroner, and think it's a topic that should be handled sensitively and carefully - because so many at risk and vulnerable people out there.

^......😴

I think George OD'ed intentionally or not. Also would George still be with Anselmo if they were both alive today? No. After a few years together? Still no. I'm not a lovely but I have great regard for GM. However his excuses for being non-prolific came across as his usual bs. Death of loved ones etc. He spoke as if he was the only one in the world who ever had somebody die on them. He was a hardcore addict which spirals into a depression one can never shake free of because you are literally brain damaged. Also I don't think George was ever what you would call a happy person.... Musings.....

532 are you insulating that he could never get clean. If he overdosed then there is a possibility that he was probably suicidal. We don't know so we play maybe.

R533 R532 We don't play maybe, we know. GM did NOT commit suicide. The death certificate, which is the only official and reliable document, we have, clearly says so. The extensive examination has been carried out by world-renowned experts. They don't care who the person who's body they examine was in life and are not emotionally biased. And don't start again about "cover-up" again. England isn't a banana republic, where rich people are able to influence the contents of a death certificate, even if some people love to believe this.

Speaking about how this secret trauma affected Michael’s creativity, Napier-Bell dismissed thoughts that it was the death of Michael’s mother and lover: “That wasn’t the problem, that didn’t cause George Michael’s creativity. It was childhood trauma that happens well before you’re 12 or 13.

“He obviously looked very much inside himself but he never told anybody whatever it was that triggered it. He didn’t tell the public and he may not have even told himself, because that’s another thing that happens to people, they feel a huge disquiet and they want to not look at it.”

Freedom! '90 - Pitch Perfect 3

The Lovelies are homophobic because they do not believe GM was gay.

They think he was straight with his woman on the side with the secret love child.

I read the whole "George Michael Saga" thread, and those are some fucked-up women posting there.

Please don't mention those nutjobs r 537. We don't want them visiting this thread any further. George did have his share of crazy female fans. Some lovelies are quiet homophonic and I wonder how sane fans try to have rational conversations with those delusional broads.

R535 Yeah, it always seemed that some real dodgy stuff happened when he was younger. I imagine something to do with sex/sexuality that perhaps made him stay in the closet for so long (he's talked about a sexual experience with a "right old cow" when he was young, really young) but who knows. Greek fathers are notoriously tough on their sons.

R534 Naive. The Coroner wasn't wrong. It's called omission. You think people with money and fame don't have influence on everything? Everybody dies of heart failure. You ingest drugs. Your heart fails . You die. Your diseased body has multi organ shut down. Your heart fails. You die. World renowned? What world?

I see we are rejuvenating the same old things from previous discussion. I think maybe we should retire this saga.

It has been quiet for months now since there are no new gm stories in the media. So all we are doing is play detective by rehashing old topics. Do some of you know when his team will release new songs. It has been very quiet on the artist front or this is it.

R540 Dilated cardiomyopathy still equales heart failure for you. That's a plain wrong assumption. You simply don't know how to read a death certificate. No, there are no omission. The death certificate only contains proven facts. The "omissions" are speculations and unfounded assumptions. Believe me, there are people who are NOT interested in the person who the dead body they examine was in life nor the feelings of their relatives, but the only thing they are after is a foolproof result of an examination.

[543] No matter how much you say it and show proofs some people just hate to see facts.

Fadi Fawaz 8h8 hours ago

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth

WTF!?

Fadi Fawaz ‏ Apr 2

I will be asking for a huge fav later on today. I hope to get the support I need this time :)

George Michael tribute brunch at Dubai Creek Yacht & Golf Club

It's the repeated speculation even with facts at hand that is tiresome, still continuing after more than a year. It's why I've tuned out a lot of the social media now.

Years ago GM dissed the idea that 'Father Figure' was about something inappropriate, and was annoyed at the interpretations of people who wanted to read something more into it.

He had an awkward encounter in his early teens. Troubled relationship with parents sometimes. In the 80s he would refer to this but he was oblique in the way he put it. Occasionally it was hinted at but not fully described. Jack obviously had issues with his son not fitting into the conventional masculine role, but tried to change his attitude later.

His foes haven't shown themselves in such a good light lately. But FF remains as self serving and frustrating as ever. If he tells his 'truth' it will be just his version of it and I think there will be a few who can come forward and counter some of the details. (FF has had too many associations with dodgy people, which shouldn't surprise anyone here - people would try to tell GM privately but he didnt want to listen.) Might as well let Fawaz say what he wants and stop paying him to idle away his time at RP.

Best of Wham coming to the Epstein Theatre

This Fadi Fawaz partner of George Micheal looking for a Laywer to help me sort my case out. If you can help pls inbox me.

Or of you know anyone even better.

This is my last try after that I will go to press .

My notes with some fact and info will be posted soon so you have some insight about my case

If the press can help me get my rights and case heard please get in touch too.

I hope all my haters are happy now . I did that for you ;)

From today onwards I am only pleasing my haters :)

Fadi is a total fame whore!

Why would he seek legal help on twitter and why is George team not putting him in his place. It seems like his family don't want to get into a public spat with fadi which makes sense because he is an attention whore. He is playing victim for whatever unknown reasons.

Fadi tweets and builds things up as if he is going to reveal something. Works up the GM fans into a frenzy. Then he comes out with something nonsensical. This time after the buildup it is still about the Etihad airline ticket and raving and ranting against them. He is saying I am doing this on purpose. But still the fans fall for it. It was asking for a writer's help before that. Then saying it is for a work of fiction he was doing. He cannot write a sentence straight and he wants to write a novel.

Again one just despairs at this guy and his behavior. He is not very intelligent and has a volatile temperament. Wonder what George was doing with a guy like this. Now the family is left to deal with all his devious games. Sitting around for years doing nothing in that RP house. With all the time on his hands to play stupid games. The fans should do everybody a favor and ignore him completely

All the games and looking for attention, after someone has died, deliberately upsetting and provoking people for what? Who does that? Sorry FF does not make you look good. At a time when George is getting a public memorial, it's this guy trying to get media attention. Why???

I hope the family are not paying him off for acting like this. He cannot deny that he has posted explosive threats clearly aimed at the estate and family in the past.

If they do let him speak, I expect a lot will be nonsense, but it could open a few cans of worms about what George was doing and how careless he was being in the last 10 or so years.

Yes it's bad and we're all wondering why he didn't try to do better. But it was his own choice and I think that many around him accepted that he was at least in part responsible for his own behavior. He wouldn't listen to better advice.

I'm realistic about all this but man I think they should just evict this parasite and make him go scrounge off someone else.

My policy apart from here though is - ignore him altogether. I put him on mute and block ages ago on Twitter. And why he's got 13-15 damn threads here is beyond me. I hope that when he gets the memorial plaque there may be a new thread about that and the discussion can continue there, without FF's name in the title. I'm just sick of him.

This guy says he wants his own identity, why does he have to hang around RP? Please someone fly him one way to Sydney and put him in an apartment. He's a famous hairdresser. He can go and work for his friend Kev at his upmarket salon and be closer to some of his family. Do his 'art photography' on the side. Nobody would bother him if he just laid low. Dude says he is still only 41 years old, appears fit to work!

3 remarks : - To play’round with haters&verbal abusers like he apparently does you need a certain degree of intelligence&F certainly owns it!Those who are mislead time&time again,hoping 2 find out something substantial of GM’s private LiFe are the real fools! - If someone has 2 be put in place by GM’s team or family it rather would be Andros&K ¬ F as he’s still one of the few who hasn’t sold GM out&maybe even Alex for exposing GM’s dirty laundry on social media&for familiarizing”LoVeLies”in G’s private matters which are none of their or anyone’s business except those involved.(might be 1 of the reasons Alex&G fell out partly in the last year just bc A was already occupied with this kind of unloyal behaviour) - Maybe I’m wrong but until now I never had the feeling that F will come out with private information about his&G’s relationship as he’s in fact the only one who never said a word about except maybe the suicide tweets at a time when he was in shock&being accused by verbal abusers about the most horrific things!Could it be that that is the haters(envious ones)biggest frustration?

I'm no Fadi fan but don't get all this calling him a fame whore. Where are the interviews? Where is the book? Where is the photoshoot? He would be in high demand for any of these!

R558 & R559 - ur right the others are also disgusting, no better. They helped spur a lot of this. Andros complained to numerous tabloids about FF writing a book, then he goes and puts his own book back on sale, updated and autographed, for inordinate price. He's probably more calculating and sharp than Alex, but both obnoxious.

I wish people wouldn't respond back to FF (but there will probably always be a few trolls who do).

George's family and estate team seem very focused on keeping GM's matters private. I don't know what they can really do about Andros. As for Alex - he's looking after the dog and she's attached to him. Also, if they fall out with the Georgiou family entirely, perhaps they fear reprisals?

They also see the Georgious as family and in Greek culture, family connections are traditionally very important.

I don't think that FF is really that keen about telling his whole story, because he may have a few things that can be dug up about him as well. But he's definitely waved around the threat to tell previously, perhaps to intimidate the media shy family. He's really just showing himself to be the sort of manipulative, deceptive person people have accused him of being.

I think they should just let him try it and sever ties. George fans can take it, after everything else.

Rant over.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R 559&560 I agree with you both,for the largest part anyway R 560 as,as I said it already before...2 manipulate or deceive somebody you have to know or show something(ónly 2 those involved)to manipulate them with.If there’s nothing they can be@ease but my guess is that they’re(the véry media&showbizz shy family&friends)not!As for digging something up about him...I really don’t think there’s something about F’s past that G(theonly one who he maybe was obliged to)didn’t already knew&didn’t care about.The Twittertrolls saying they found out about F’s porn-antics as if they have something on him are really laughable&pathetic! If I was confronted with bullies who pretend to know everything about me&my relationship while I never in fact said a word about it in public I would exactly act in the same way...be sarcastic about it all the way!After all it’s not F who’s the most pretentieus one but those bullies who won’t be satisfied or obviously find peace before they find out some details about G’s death!If F manages 2 never tell or answer the extremely intrusive Q’s about that &his sarcasm helps him with that,I reckon he’s very strong mentally ánd very loyal at the same time,that’s all I can say!

R561 Those very tweets show that he was being threatening, it's clear what was being implied and it was extremely inappropriate. Family probably gave him a payoff to stay silent, which I don't think they should have. He's testing people out and leaving an escape for himself if he wants.

Could be more than he was an escort and porn actor. These guys weren't always being very discreet and it's not very nice. But I'll leave that to others to take up.

I don't care anymore what happens with him, I'm done with this guy.

No one wants to hear Fadi's story he's a liar

If Fadi knows something about George's health then maybe the family is afraid that people will start coming out of the woodwork and sue GM's estate. Plus the family would know that George would want certain things private. That's the only reason I can think of that would keep GM's family quiet. If these aren't considerations then GM's family should throw the bum out. However maybe George gave him the house and Fadi just wants money in addition. There's nothing Fadi could say that would make me think less of George. But for the family, George's estate and his legacy could be concerning to them.

Got in media again with this stunt.

I don't think he was given the rp. I think the reason he has not been kicked out is because he knows a lot about George lifestyles and health. In the nearest future he will betray George by selling him out to the media, it is inevitable. He will tell what he knows to extend his fifteen minutes of fame. The real juicy details of George last years will be told by fadi and it will be his ticket to fame and more money. The guy is a real piece of shit but George loved having him around. Talk about poor choices in sexual partners.

Fadi Fawaz claims debt collectors are coming to take George Michael's furniture

Fadi Fawaz hits out at claims lawyers want him to leave house he shared with George Michael

That R569 story was from a few weeks ago btw. But yes he's had a visit from debt collectors. Has he entirely cracked up? Now he is publicly begging.

Didn't GM's car sell for him? Perhaps also why he is trying to leave the country.

Someone said in comments that if FF was not in the will, debt collectors can't take GM's property. But we don't know because George's family and lawyers are trying to keep the contents of will suppressed.

If the tabloids pay him for a story, I don't think they'll be happy with vague answers to some of their questions. They will want real information.

No way are they gonna pay him just for some idiotic story about his issues with an airline, and he must know that. The only attention he does get is because he was with George.

R568 Where is the poster who said FF is independently wealthy or some such nonsense? The family is letting him twist in the wind and hang himself. But he is determined to make a spectacle of himself. Cant pay 500+ pound fine. But travels to Aus in business class and is now in Brussels. Pay the guy some money and throw him out of the house already. Leech

Latest tweet post if it stays up.

I am sure fadi saved some money he made from George been a paid employee. He is not starving for money but more for attention. What makes you guys so sure he won't reveal the real truth about George last years if the monetary offer was right. At this moment he seems less loyal to George and more concern about himself. Get ready lovelies and non lovelies there might be an expose in the future about George weight, health issues, addictions.

Writing and tweeting a dead man to attract attention makes my skin crawl. Let him expose what he wants. None of GM fans really care. What is the worse thing he can say. Let us be truthful. George was HIV+ is the worst thing he can say. The family should take him on and tell him to say what he wants and throw him out of the RP house. At this point FF has so little credibility nobody cares what he has to say. Our home in Goring and our this and our that. If you think you were his partner and you are legally entitled go to court and get whatever. Nobody cares. Stop making a spectacle of yourself

"I do blame Vienna as we both Always did" -> what the hell does that mean?

No [575] saying George was HIV will not be the worst thing to say. But saying that behind close doors George hating being gay and was trying to fix himself right. That would be the worst thing to because anything else would get no response or surprise.

If a hiv+ relevation was revealed by fadi it might lead to lawsuits from George sexual partners. It will open a can of worms that the family might not want to be made public. It might be one of the reasons his family are resistant to act aggressive towards him. They know he will talk if he is forcefully kicked out of rp.

R576 my thoughts exactly!

R568 I actually think if he knew he had HIV, he would've been more careful with partners. There may be no grounds to sue. I don't think there were stories about him being promiscuous since 2012, though we can't know for sure. I know that Andros is not totally reliable, but he said that GM had given up the cruising etc and had put himself in something like a self imposed exile.

I don't think his longer term partners are going to sue and a lot of the people he had casual relations with - they probably also have multiple partners so how could they be certain where they got the HIV from?

I don't really know much about the legal side of it however. And it's still very much 'if' but wouldn't surprise me.

The family probably feel like they've been under siege for at least 20 years, and yes it's believed that the reason why they don't call FF out is that they're trying to protect GM's privacy, and don't want him dragged through the mud again. Many of them were concerned about what was happening but at the same time frustrated with GM's poor choices.

N.B. FF says he didn't eat for six months? How did he go without food for that long???

Why can't he work and have a real job like the rest of us!???

R581 FF is a leech that is why. Behaving like a helpless child and not like a grown man. He cant pay the 500 pounds fine, but according to his FB posts he is in Brussels celebrating Easter. R582 I think he is referring to Alex when he is talking about "puppies" What a horrible bunch of people George surrounded himself with.

Back in 1991 Cindy was caught by paparazzi kissing Christy Turlington behind the Roxy nightclub in New York. I don't know if some super researcher can find those pictures though lol or maybe they're long gone.

Well, Christy likes kissing girls!

Sorry wrong thread

So weird from FF. He's going to let who take GM's furniture? Is that possible unless GM gave him the house and it's contents? Or is it a threat to the family?

Fadi Fawaz relives the horror of discovering George Michael's body in shocking detail

Fadi Fawaz has written an open letter to late boyfriend George Michael - detailing the fall-out of his death.

Taking to Twitter on Friday afternoon, the bereaved photographer lol posted a lengthy message which offered [bold]fresh insight in to the singer's tragic demise[/bold], which happened on Christmas Day, 2016.

Specifically, he recounted his shock at finding the singer's body,[bold]how music industry friends treated him afterwards?[/bold] and how the upset meant he couldn't eat properly for months.

"Since I saw you last time a lot has happened. Xmas Day I went to wake you up to go for Xmas lunch in Highgate but u were dead (can you flicking believe that)," he wrote.

"From that very first moment the world rose from death and pointed their fingers at me...I was all alone...[bold]they even accused me I had something to do with your death.[/bold]

He added: "They stopped all of the support I got from your team. I even got denied to our home [sic] in Goring where they even packed my clothes and sent them to me in bin bags."

He then claimed that members of George's inner circle made life difficult for him.

"Basically, all of the puppies turned into savages deadly creatures [sic]. So for the next six months I couldn't eat and they denied my rights as a partner and a citizen in this world.

"The person you made your number one is now the worst person in the world."

His latest post comes just a day after he claimed bailiffs have threatened to take away George Michael's personal belongings as he can't afford to pay an outstanding debt.

The bereaved boyfriend of George, who died on Christmas Day in 2016, shared an enforcement notice warning him to cough up the £513 he owes or else risk having his possessions lifted by debt collectors and sold at auction.

It seems the bailiffs weren't able to get into George's Regent's Park property when they came to collect Fadi's payment and instead had to post the letter through his front door.

Fadi tweeted a message to George, telling him: "Darling they have come to take your furniture coz I couldn't effort the fine. But don't worry I didn't open the door for them."

It appears the outstanding payment is a possible traffic misdemeanour as the debt type is described as 'TFL red route', referring to the network of main roads in London.

why after 16 months the family hasn't evicted him?

Fadi Fawaz claims bailiffs are coming to take George Michael's furniture as he can't pay £513 fine

R535 If George kept it a secret then why Napier Ball is selling this story to the news?

That is some bullshit because I am sure he saved the money he made from George. He really has no right to claim furniture that does not belong to him and if the rp house is not left to him then he needs to vacate the premise. The family really need to put him in his place. In regards to any hiv revelation in the future, most of his casual sex partners will want a pay out. Aren't most of them pornstars and escorts. I am sure they will want their own financial settlement just like fadi. All they have to say is that George never disclosed his status to them and they had unprotected sex.

CARELESS DEBTOR? George Michael’s belongings ‘being repossessed’ after ex Fadi Fawaz ‘fails to pay off £513’ debt on his North London home

R593 - There is no way any porn star or escort could legally prove that they contacted HIV from GM – or from any specific individual. I mean, think about it. How could they? It would only be conjecture and would amount to nothing in the end. Good God, poor George must have been ill indeed, to allow such a reprehensible person such as FF to hang around for so long. It's heartbreaking … Can’t even process it. It’s also obvious that this low-life, drama queen milked dear George right to the end. Please let’s try to remember that GM possessed a mega talent and a beautiful soul – albeit, laced with demons – but still, his artistry was transcendent. Don’t let this calculating, greedy, desperate facsimile of a human being dominate George’s legacy of beautiful music.

The family and estate lawyers need to bite the bullet and take on this guy. He can afford a business class ticket to Australia but cant afford to pay a 500 pound fine. He is doing this on purpose to get this story all over the tabloids and embarrass the family. As he says in the Dear George letter, the family sent his clothes in bags and he is persona nongrata with them.

So they did not think he was GMs partner for 6 yrs 24/7 etc that he claims. Come out and say it and move against him legally. Or if you think he has damaging info about George that you dont want to get out, pay him out and gag him. What is the point of this endless drama when he keeps making a spectacle of himself. This is more damaging to GM than anything else.

It may be an offense to have unprotected sex with someone if you have transmissible HIV and don't tell them.

I am sharing link below for information but once again, we don't know for sure if he had the condition.

[quote]"If you're having protected sex there's no law saying you must tell people that you have HIV - it's your choice whether you tell sexual partners."

Even if he continued his habits, I think he would've made sure it was safe sex if he had HIV.

It looks unfortunately like this saga is going to another installment.

R581 quote: "Why can't he work and have a real job like the rest of us!???"

That's what many of us are wondering? He claimed he was a very successful hairdresser before meeting George. He still has friends in that field. His brother has a salon. I don't know what his education standard is but he is not unskilled. He says he gave up that career to look after George for several years.

This is real off base and I feel horrible for even putting it out there - just trying to think of reasons why it seems he cannot go back to his original, regular employment. But some anon and totally unconfirmed sources have claimed that FF is HIV positive. In that case, I don't know if that would affect his ability to work as hair stylist, as they are using sharp instruments. (Should be no problem however if he was on stable treatment and didn't have detectable viral load. Restrictions for HIV positive health care workers have been relaxed in many places if they don't have viral load.)

I think it may be a difficult prospect for him to work in the UK given the media situation (which he partly brought on himself) but he has friends, family, associates across the globe.

His supporters would probably say that he is still too stricken by grief and fan/media harassment to work. After a year however I think he should be trying to adopt a more normal routine.

If he returned to Australia I'm pretty sure people would leave him alone and not hassle him. Nobody has ever really paid attention to him there, even when he was the partner of George Michael. It didn't give him celebrity status at all.

Move him somewhere else and change the locks on RP house. There we go.

Geez it's great though for the tabloids - all this drama helps fill in the space left by George's passing. The headlines are reminiscent of those they gleefully used when GM was one of their favourite targets.

The Sun headline: 'CARELESS DEBTOR? George Michael’s belongings ‘being repossessed’ after ex Fadi Fawaz ‘fails to pay off £513’ debt on his North London home'

It's a real shame this is happening just before the plaque ceremony. But perhaps FF is using the spike in interest as an opportunity to get some attention for himself.

Gotta have faith though guys! George suffered so many personal tragedies from HIV/AIDS in his earlier life, there's no way I think he'd pass it on to someone else knowingly. If that's what it was, the family are probably concerned about the 'stigma' but it's time we got past that.

A guy claimed he slept with George in 2013 but I don't think so - it was more likely 2011, before GM got sick.

If George was HIV+ and it is a big if, he would never behave irresponsibly and pass it on. But then once something like this comes out, maybe even people who never ever met him would make claims. There are a lot of sick people out there. All said and done, why dont the family just pay this guy off, sign him to an NDA to shut him up for years to come and maybe buy him a one-way ticket to Australia. He is not interested in getting back to work as a hairdresser or anything else. He wants to milk this situation to make a few million and continue to live a life of luxury without working.

R599 how they gonna prove it? That they had one off encounter without a condom, if it didn't happen, and they could easily have got it from someone else? George has quite a formidable legal team.

I won't believe he didn't use precautions IF he had it and IF he knew. And if he had it, I think it was only in later years.