Why Are the Democrats Proud to Be Shutting Down the Government?

Fuck off Boris

Fuck off, freeper.

Yeah, Trumpsters are usually confused.

Okay. I’m not a Russian or a Freeper.

With that out of the way, could someone explain to me why Democrats are blocking the short term spending measure that would keep the government running through February and fund CHIP for six years?

The Dems? I thought the Repubs were in charge.

Because the Democrats didn't enjoy getting their asses kicked hard enough when Trump won. They're trying to force Republicans to add DACA to the bill, but it will just backfire on them. Republicans can say, "We tried to pass the government bill, but the Democrats wouldn't cooperate."

Pass the fucking government spending bill and deal with DACA on its own.

Dems aren't doing that, r4. Try again.

It's the height of cynicism that the GOP is now pretending they care about CHIP after they held it hostage last month. The stupid party.

So they’re shutting it down for DACA? How is this a winning strategy outside of California?

OP.

[QUOTE]The Dems? I thought the Repubs were in charge.

Most Republicans are voting for it. If most Democrats would in turn vote for it, then it would pass. Therefore the blame would fall on the Democrats who are following orders to vote against it.

As if the Republicans didn’t play this game back in 1995 too.

[QUOTE]As if the Republicans didn’t play this game back in 1995 too.

So we’re in agreement that this is a game to the Democrats? I thought they were the serious party.

[quote]It's the height of cynicism that the GOP is now pretending they care about CHIP after they held it hostage last month

It's not just CHIP, it's all government spending. That includes pay for military personnel. This is not a battle the Democrats should be fighting. Just think of the optics, "We prefer protection of illegals over military personnel and Children's health."

DLers realize that if DACA was apart of this that it would pass, right? Would you support the Democrat decision to vote for it if DACA was in the mix? What does DACA have to do with funding the government in the first place?

Let's focus on what we can agree on - McConnell looks like a fucking cartoon turtle

If the Republicans all voted for this they wouldn't need a single dem vote. In fact the pubes excluded dems from the discussion. This is all on the pubes.

So why don't the pubes pass a bill without daca without the dems?

[quote]If the Republicans all voted for this they wouldn't need a single dem vote.

Not true. It needs 60 votes to pass the Senate. There are only 51 Rs and McCain is lying in a hospital somewhere..

Democrats are petty. They'd rather eat their own than work towards any kind of bipartisan goals on anything.

[quote]Democrats are petty. They'd rather eat their own than work towards any kind of bipartisan goals on anything.

Such bullshit.

[quote] Not true. It needs 60 votes to pass the Senate. There are only 51 Rs and McCain is lying in a hospital somewhere..

Plus, some of the Republicans are not on board with the bill. Some don't want a temporary stop gap, they want the full funding done now. And some are whining because they want government spending reduced.

Senatrice Graham has drawn her boundaries. She won't vote for a short-term fix.

The House of Representatives passed the bill. Will the Senate do the same? Such a nailbiter!

OP BOTH parties are to blame if the government shuts down, either side could have given the other side what they wanted and the bill would have passed, but neither party wants to give the other side a victory and neither side wins if there is a compromise because then you can't blame the other side for a failure.

The House passed a bill they knew wouldn't pass in the Senate for the sole purpose of being able to blame the Senate Democrats, even though there are right now four Republican Senators who won't vote for the bill.

The Democrats want to force DACA because they believe it is the right thing to do but with the benefit of sticking it to the Republicans, if DACA passes it will cause problems for every conservative come primary time. Both side are playing politics, both sides are to blame, don't be a fool and blame only one side.

BTW, the Republicans have shut down the government twice and conservatives cheered them on, when there was a Democrat President, once to Clinton and once to Obama. Politics unfortunately is sometimes about pay back, so Democrats wouldn't mind doing the same to the Republicans, which I suppose is something you have to do, you can't let someone walk all over you can get away with it, or they will do it all the time.

If you all will recall, the pubes and Dems came to an agreement about DACA last week with orange on board to sign until the freedumb carcass assholes ran to orange hissing about "the base".

Then cane the shithole comments. So there is no one to blame but the pubes and the freedumb carcass.

[quote]came to an agreement about DACA last week with orange on board to sign

Apparently, you have selective hearing or believe what the Demonrats tell you to believe.

Trump televised his meeting specifically to humiliate the Democrats because he's aware of the shit they pull. Anyone who listened closely heard Trump say that there would be no deal without financing for the Wall. Getting their boner for immigrant voters, DICK Durbin rushes to the President with DACA legislation, no Wall language in it at all. Then he gets pissed off when Trump won't agree to it and has drama queen press conference lying about Trump. That's starts the chain reaction of Cryin' Corey Booker and Lyin' Chuck Schumer.

Re. Payback, Crass Christie tried to get in the VIP line at a Jersey airport and was told to get in the regular line. The airport is under the Transit Authority, which also oversees the GW Bridge, which CC's minions fucked over at Fort Lee.

Republicans are trying to use CHIP as blackmail to force Democrats to vote for this piece of crap legislation which they've said they won't vote for since last year, because it 1) isn't a budget agreement, and a lot of members of Congress and others in government are fed up with constant continuing resolutions; 2) it doesn't address DACA, which Democrats have said since the last CR last year is the condition for their votes on the next funding bill. There was a bipartisan deal on DACA last week hammered out by Lindsey and Dick Durbin, but the alt right staff in the White House teamed up with ultraconservative Tom Cotton and David Purdue to convince Trump to go back on his word that he would sign any bipartisan bill on funding and DACA that came to his desk (this was the infamous "shithole" meeting). The Democrats have been consistent for the last month that DACA was the price for their votes and all the players understood that. Trump just decided to blow the whole thing up after the agreement had been reached to score points with his racist base, which he bragged about to friends after the media printed the shithole comment. And Cotton and Purdue's role in this was very similar to Ted Cruz's sabotage of the budget process in 2013, when he got Tea Party members in the House to vote against funding the government and read Green Eggs and Ham on the Senate floor while the government had no money to stay open.

There are too many lying trolls in this thread.

Fact: McConnell has AT MOST 47 votes for this CR in his caucus, because three Republicans (Lindsey, Rand Paul and Mike Rounds) have already said they will vote against it, and John McCain will not be present for a vote. Mike Lee, another Republican, may not vote for it either, since he voted against the last CR. That means McConnell doesn't have a simple majority to pass the CR even if cloture is invoked, so his failure to do so cannot be blamed on a Democratic filibuster.

Fact: The Republicans put themselves into the position of needing a cloture motion (60 votes) for the budget because they used 2017 reconciliation for ACA repeal and 2018 reconciliation for the tax law. Reconciliation is originally a process created explicitly for funding bills and has traditionally been used to pass them, but the GOP used the available FA reconciliations to ram through hyperpartisan legislation that 70% or more of the country disapproved of instead. So even if they had 50 votes for this CR, reconciliation wouldn't be an option and that's down to them.

R11, your argument is possibly the most asinine analysis of how a representative democracy works that I've ever heard. It's not the minority party's fault that the majority's bill doesn't pass due to the majority not having the votes to pass it. There is a reason there are two parties that believe in different things and represent different voters. Under no circumstances is it the minority party's responsibility to supply the majority with the votes it needs to pass its own priorities, especially in this case since the Republican president blew up the bipartisan agreement and the resultant bill out of the House doesn't include what the Democrats wanted in the negotiations.

[quote]Not true. It needs 60 votes to pass the Senate.

No, it doesn't. It's a budget matter being passed through reconciliation, which means it only has to get 51 votes, which they have even with McCain out as Pence would then step in and break the tie. Their problem is that they have a few holdouts looking for more of what they got in the tax bill: big handouts to their preferred donors.

Don't tell me this is bad for the Democrats. It was never bad for the Republicans when they did it; no one ever said "don't be a fool and blame only one side" ad infinitum on rightwing media.

You posted a few seconds before me, R29, so let me verify: reconciliation votes are limited to one per year but on three difference topics: the budget, revenue and the debt limit. Since the tax bill was done under revenue, wouldn't this CR be covered under the budget, and further, given that it is a CR, would it even count towards the reconciliation limits?

The CR under consideration requires a cloture motion, R31. That's what McConnell tabled for tomorrow before moving to adjourn the Senate a couple hours ago. Not sure why though, because this bill is dead on arrival.

Now Jeff Flake has come out against the CR. This thing is going down in flames.

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R4=freeper cunt fuck.

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