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Babe’s Aziz Ansari piece was a gift to anyone who wants to derail #MeToo

Over the weekend, a story broke at the online publication babe detailing a sexual encounter between Golden Globe-winning “Master of None” star Aziz Ansari and an anonymous woman who went by “Grace” for the purposes of the report. The title? “I went on a date with Aziz Ansari. It turned into the worst night of my life.”

In it she detailed how they met (at an Emmy after-party), how they flirted for the next few days (over texts), how they got together (she came over for drinks at his apartment, then went for dinner and drinks at a fancy restaurant down the street, then came back to his house for more drinks), and how it ended in tears (Ansari moved in aggressively and awkwardly, they had oral sex, she went along with it all until he pushed for intercourse, she rebuffed him, they made out a bit more, she became uncomfortable and asked to leave, he called her an Uber and she left).

The story quickly went viral and social media did what social media does: explode into outrage. Grace’s tale slid into the unfolding narrative of #MeToo and #TimesUp; indeed, the whole thing came about because Ansari, a noted male feminist, wore a #TimesUp button on the Golden Globes red carpet last week. The calls swiftly and mercilessly came: for Ansari to lose his show, for him to be shunned, for his career to end. He was one of the good ones, it’s always the good ones, this is why we can’t have nice things, #YesAllMen, etc.

The only issue with all this is that this story about Ansari is nothing like the ugly tales of sexual abuse that have wafted out of Hollywood over the past six months or so. Not really. From Harvey Weinstein’s decades of sexual assaults and use of blacklists to Kevin Spacey’s predatory behavior toward young men to Louis C.K.’s masturbating in front of people without asking, these were all stories that were both criminal in nature and involved an abuse of power over underlings. . .

The babe story is not about this. It is about a date that went badly, one that did not live up to the expectations of the woman involved. Consider, for instance, the inclusion of this paragraph in the story: “After arriving at his apartment in Manhattan on Monday evening, they exchanged small talk and drank wine. [bold]‘It was white,’ she said. ‘I didn’t get to choose and I prefer red, but it was white wine.’[/bold] Then Ansari walked her to Grand Banks, an Oyster bar on board a historic wooden schooner on the Hudson River just a few blocks away.” [Emphasis mine.]

The aside about the white/red wine is something that any writer or editor who truly understood the stakes of this story would have taken out of the piece. It makes the subject appear silly, if not bitter or resentful. I honestly thought for a moment that I might be reading a parody after that line: There’s no grander point about consent in this anecdote — if she had asked for white and he had laughed at her and said no and forced her to drink red, well, okay, maybe that would fit a piece like the one we are reading. This isn’t that. It’s simply out of place in a piece that should have immense gravity.

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As Caitlin Flanagan put it in a blistering piece titled “The Humiliation of Aziz Ansari,” “what [Grace] and the writer who told her story created was 3,000 words of revenge porn. The clinical detail in which the story is told is intended not to validate her account as much as it is to hurt and humiliate Ansari.”

I would suggest there’s a reason this story appeared in babe, rather than the New York Times or BuzzFeed or the Los Angeles Times or, yes, The Washington Post. One of the reasons is that, however Grace now thinks of the encounter, what happened isn’t sexual assault or anything close to it by most legal or common-sense standards. And bad dates — including terrible ones that leave one person feeling humiliated — aren’t actually newsworthy, even when they happen to famous people.

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by Anonymousreply 195January 18, 2018 7:09 AM

It won't derail the movement. That's like saying one individual person could have derailed other social justice movements. Though I understand how some wish this would be the case.

by Anonymousreply 1January 16, 2018 12:37 AM

I think you're upset, r1.

by Anonymousreply 2January 16, 2018 12:38 AM

No, not upset, R2. I just know that one or even several people couldn't have "derailed" the gay movement or civil rights movement.

by Anonymousreply 3January 16, 2018 12:42 AM

"... one that did not live up to the expectations of the woman involved."

Four inches... hard.

by Anonymousreply 4January 16, 2018 12:44 AM

The problem is not just this individual girl. As the article says, the #MeToo crowd on social media also had a nasty overreaction:

[quote]The story quickly went viral and social media did what social media does: explode into outrage. Grace’s tale slid into the unfolding narrative of #MeToo and #TimesUp; indeed, the whole thing came about because Ansari, a noted male feminist, wore a #TimesUp button on the Golden Globes red carpet last week. The calls swiftly and mercilessly came: for Ansari to lose his show, for him to be shunned, for his career to end. He was one of the good ones, it’s always the good ones, this is why we can’t have nice things, #YesAllMen, etc.

People may now start to pay attention whether the #MeToo movement is more than just a braying mob of hysterical Twitter users asking for the (unemployed) scalps of all the men it lays its sights on.

by Anonymousreply 5January 16, 2018 12:49 AM

The piece by Caitlin Flanagan is excellent.

I imagine she will be derided as being old and dangerously out of touch.

Sometimes receiving wisdom hurts.

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by Anonymousreply 6January 16, 2018 12:52 AM

If Meryl Streep didn't derail it with her lies, threats and hypocrisy, this story won't damage the movement either. And it shouldn't. That lil bitch in Babe sure as fuck shows how insane some privileged white girls are though. A little restraint on #MeToo wouldn't hurt. Deneuve even had to "clarify" her stance though she didn't give up any ground. Margaret Atwood is under attack by these young and not so young crazy white women. Make no mistake about it, they are mostly white. The rest of us live in the real world.

by Anonymousreply 7January 16, 2018 12:53 AM

Katie Way of babe who published this also works for CS and She should get more flack for even carrying this piece. I'm sure she was gloating when it caught fire but it shows how irresponsible she is.

by Anonymousreply 9January 16, 2018 1:02 AM

sorry... she works for CBS

by Anonymousreply 10January 16, 2018 1:03 AM

Katie works for CBS. Maybe the power players want it to catch fire. I'm sure Hollywood and the mainstream media would like it to disappear. It threatens a lot of these power player types.

They are mostly older men who have long inhabited the old system. Many of them have probably done things that could now threaten their careers. It's also about $$$.

by Anonymousreply 11January 16, 2018 1:06 AM

To clarify: They want this story to catch fire. They want the MeToo# movement to disappear.

by Anonymousreply 12January 16, 2018 1:06 AM

Bravo to the moronic nitwit R7. He found away to blame this on Meryl Streep. R7 was Meryl also responsible for the earth quake the other day? What about global warming? Her fault too?

by Anonymousreply 13January 16, 2018 1:21 AM

[quote] Margaret Atwood is under attack by these young and not so young crazy white women. Make no mistake about it, they are mostly white.

Why is Margaret Atwood under attack? That's ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 14January 16, 2018 1:23 AM

I think it's incumbent upon the leaders of metoo and timesup to set some boundaries as to what constitutes real assault, abuse and abuse of power. The movement is starting to get a bad rap, particulary since it was used to kick Al Franken out of the Senate AFTER he called for his own ethics investigation.

It's also ironic that The Atlantic is calling out the movement now whe it was an Atlantic writer who was one of the last to accuse Franken. She was the one who said he squeezed her waist during a photo op.

by Anonymousreply 16January 16, 2018 1:41 AM

Did you see Natalie Portman today marching and screaming "What's up? Time's Up, that's whasssup!" by any chance?

ME TOO figure and leader in the movement who ... ahem ... supports a rodent like Roman Polanski .... aka, the anal raper if she's young enough.

Hypocrites, the lot.

by Anonymousreply 17January 16, 2018 1:43 AM

I also thought it was ironic that the red carpet black dress metoo/times up protest was a T&A show. If I recall Portman had her's prominently on display.

by Anonymousreply 19January 16, 2018 1:48 AM

R19

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by Anonymousreply 20January 16, 2018 1:51 AM

R18 it's not a crazy conspiracy theory. The woman works for CBS. The NYT wouldn't even originally touch the Weinstein story! All these media figures are being fired.

NBC is mad that Megyn Kelly wants to expose their dirty secrets. Of course they want MeToo# to die down. Could The Atlantic have written this sentence about any other minority:

Allegations against the comedian are proof that women are angry, temporarily powerful—and very, very dangerous.

by Anonymousreply 22January 16, 2018 2:00 AM

R21 yeah she thought she'd fly away from her lower middle class life, but she had to go back to her little Bushwich Apt that her parents help her with rent for $150/mo.

by Anonymousreply 23January 16, 2018 2:00 AM

Done with #metoo. None of these people in #metoo speak for me. I have to deal with what I have to deal with on my own - and these people couldn't give a rat's arse.

It's interesting watching the grandstanding, hypocrisy, and stupidity, though. It went off the rails, almost as soon as it begun. When egos and careerism gets involved, forget it. What a shame.

by Anonymousreply 24January 16, 2018 2:00 AM

But the thing is, he texted her the next day.

I know for sure that if a man wanted a one night stand and didn't get it, he WOULD NOT text the next day. Or even if he did get some, he wouldn't text or contact her the next day. He was still interested in her and he contacted her.

I think he got over-excited and was horny. It's obvious that he is a dork when it comes to dating and reading women. They had texted each other prior to their date. What do we know what they said? For all we know, they could have been sexting each other, talking and flirting about sex, etc. It has now become a he said/she said situation. This really shouldn't be anyone's business but their own.

by Anonymousreply 25January 16, 2018 2:01 AM

The other Aziz thread has been deleted, yes?

by Anonymousreply 26January 16, 2018 2:07 AM

Yes, it was deleted. whoever started the thread shouldn't have put that person's name in the title.

by Anonymousreply 27January 16, 2018 2:08 AM

R18, another take from Twitter from someone who can see through the BS coming from that Atlantic article mentioned at R22:

Anil Dash‏Verified account @anildash That entire @CaitlinPacific article in the Atlantic is garbage, but the most cynical, dishonest line is “I thought it would take a little longer for the hit squad of privileged young white women to open fire on brown-skinned men.” We’re not here as a prop for your bullshit.

You didn’t have shit to say about “brown-skinned men” when Srinivas Kuchibhotla was murdered. You were silent when Bannon called for us to be rounded up. Oak Creek? Nothing. And now you’ll use us a rhetorical tool to argue we can’t understand consent? Pathetic.

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by Anonymousreply 28January 16, 2018 2:10 AM

The few rapey queens on DL really want metoo derailed. It won't be.

by Anonymousreply 29January 16, 2018 2:10 AM

"I think you're upset, [R1]."

And you're projecting.

As someone already said, some men REALLY want to derail #MeToo any way they can.

by Anonymousreply 30January 16, 2018 2:14 AM

Damn, R27, that was a good thread, too.

by Anonymousreply 31January 16, 2018 2:23 AM

In his series, Aziz clearly prefers the white women, they're like his dream woman (the Italian woman in season 2, his ex-girlfriend in season 1)

His dates with brown-skinned women are shown to be unfulfilling or doesn't work out. This should be a wake-up call for him. He's constantly complaining in his series how Indian men are mis-represented and stereo-typed but not once has he shown non-white women in a favorable light or even the possibility that they're even desirable. He needs to show a little more love for the women in his race but it sounds like he's a little self-loathing.

by Anonymousreply 32January 16, 2018 2:27 AM

The other thread was deleted with all the posts about other women who also accused Aziz of sexual assault months ago? Wouldn't have been easier to just merge the repeated threads and remove the girl's name from the title? Oh DL.

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by Anonymousreply 33January 16, 2018 6:00 AM

More from poor victim Aziz:

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by Anonymousreply 34January 16, 2018 6:01 AM

R33 is hearsay

R34 is free to file a police report

by Anonymousreply 35January 16, 2018 6:10 AM

Aziz's parents: Please go back to India and marry a nice girl from our village, you idiot. Forget American girls!

by Anonymousreply 36January 16, 2018 6:13 AM

R36 the Indian village of South Carolina?

by Anonymousreply 37January 16, 2018 6:36 AM

Aziz is guilty of being ugly and short.

Hang him!

by Anonymousreply 38January 16, 2018 6:38 AM

[quote] That's like saying one individual person could have derailed other social justice movements.

But other trendy single-issue social justice movements HAVE been derailed. Look at ACT UP.

by Anonymousreply 39January 16, 2018 6:40 AM

uhhh white women...

by Anonymousreply 40January 16, 2018 6:45 AM

Surprised nobody posted this.

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by Anonymousreply 41January 16, 2018 6:46 AM

If Aziz had been white, you wouldn’t have women flipping to blaming the victim in this situation.

by Anonymousreply 42January 16, 2018 6:48 AM

[quote]The piece by Caitlin Flanagan is excellent.

It really wasn't. There were some sentences that we're indecipherable, and her reduction of Ansari as just a "brown person" was really tone deaf.

I'm 46 and even I have been embarrassed by people my age and older who have been basically saying "suck it up, Millennials, sex is supposed to be confusing and upsetting and involve quasi explotative moments that put you in terrible positions."

It shouldn't be like that, and just because sex for us was borderline rapey (worse for heteros, best I can tell) doesn't mean this generation should put up with it.

by Anonymousreply 43January 16, 2018 6:54 AM

R42, please STFU. It has nothing to do with his skin color. Did your selective memory forget James Franco.? He must be sighing with relief now that Aziz is taking more of the heat.

People don't know much about Aziz but Franco has a smarmy reputation for years.

by Anonymousreply 44January 16, 2018 6:55 AM

[quote]I think it's incumbent upon the leaders of metoo and timesup to set some boundaries as to what constitutes real assault

Society sets those boundaries, not some loose knit group of people.

This is the way it's always been. And social change always involves upheaval and negotiation and flipping back and forth between ideals until a consensus is reached.

It's what happened with gay rights, civil rights, and now is happening with regards to consent and treatment of women.

Bitching about how everyone should just shut up and go home betrays a complete lack of understanding as to how sociocultural movements work.

Meanwhile, honestly, no DL regulars need worry about it. I doubt a single DLer needs to worry about sexual interaction with a Millennial woman, and as long as you don't act like a dick at work, you're fine. Stop crying.

by Anonymousreply 45January 16, 2018 7:00 AM

Well, if society is setting those boundaries, it's not doing a great job. This "loose knit group" of people can't set boundaries but they can provide education, for example the No Smoking campaign was very successful in banning cigarettes but it took years.

by Anonymousreply 46January 16, 2018 7:07 AM

Welcome to reality, r46. No, society DOESN'T do a very good job of setting standards for itself, which is why unorganized turmoil is the only way shit gets changed for the better. Eventually things die down and get resolved, but right now, thanks to decades of gross straight guys thinking they can just James Bond their way through a date to get laid at all costs, we're dealing with backlash.

by Anonymousreply 47January 16, 2018 7:19 AM

he has pencil dick! that's what I heard.

by Anonymousreply 48January 16, 2018 7:25 AM

this will blow over soon, I wasn't a fan to begin with so not a big deal to me.

by Anonymousreply 49January 16, 2018 7:26 AM

[quote]You didn’t have shit to say about “brown-skinned men” when Srinivas Kuchibhotla was murdered. You were silent when Bannon called for us to be rounded up. Oak Creek? Nothing. And now you’ll use us a rhetorical tool to argue we can’t understand consent? Pathetic.

That Anil Dash is crazy. That article wasn't arguing that brown men (or men) can't understand consent. Did he even read the article before ranting? And what causes a CEO to rant and rave and throw Twitter tantrums for all to see? Doesn't that reflect bad on his company?

by Anonymousreply 50January 16, 2018 9:46 AM

Her poor writing does indeed make it aoins like she's saying "you big meanies, men don't understand consent, especially brown men."

The author is routinely pretty conservative and has been writing "Democrats suck because they're racist against white men" for over a decade. People aren't inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt here.

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by Anonymousreply 51January 16, 2018 9:52 AM

aoins = sounds

What a strange autocorrect mistake that is.

by Anonymousreply 52January 16, 2018 9:52 AM

What is that guy so angry about? He's ranting about treatment of Indian men but what about the way they treat women in India? The raping of women?

This has nothing to do with race, that's not what the conversation is about. what a dummy. I hope his company profits goes downhill.

by Anonymousreply 53January 16, 2018 9:53 AM

OMG. I still can't believe he gave her white wine when she really wanted red. Is it because she's white? He's a reverse racist rapist.

by Anonymousreply 54January 16, 2018 10:02 AM

This Caitlin lady is the one who made it about race, r53. He's responding to her shit about "brown men."

by Anonymousreply 55January 16, 2018 10:03 AM

R54, it's a negging technique. Seriously.

by Anonymousreply 56January 16, 2018 10:05 AM

What is negging?

by Anonymousreply 57January 16, 2018 10:36 AM

[quote]What is that guy so angry about? This has nothing to do with race, that's not what the conversation is about. what a dummy. I hope his company profits goes downhill.

This is why you never put your company name and position in your Twitter bio when you do rants. This ain't LinkedIn. Imagine if everyone put in their company and position on Datalounge before each post.

by Anonymousreply 58January 16, 2018 10:38 AM

R41, someone did post it, on a thread that was deleted.

by Anonymousreply 59January 16, 2018 10:42 AM

I'm starting to wonder if it was all staged. All fake. All planned.

A deliberate attempt to delegitamise the debate around consent. A deliberate sabotage carried out by a woman secretly harboring her own internalised misogyny with the aim of ridiculing women. Maybe she was paid... Who knows.

He's still a douchebag though.

by Anonymousreply 60January 16, 2018 11:14 AM

No one could be that smart.

by Anonymousreply 61January 16, 2018 11:17 AM

The editors of Babe stand by their story and say they would publish it again tomorrow.

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by Anonymousreply 62January 16, 2018 11:28 AM

R36, Damn right! his parents would prefer he dates within his culture. This is drummed into most Indian diaspora children from birth. It’s not about the individual, it’s about the family and the inlaws getting along. The culture is always put above the individual...that’s why younger Indians lie to their parents about their “real” lives. Too much cultural expectations and traditions they have to live up to...

by Anonymousreply 63January 16, 2018 11:29 AM

[quote]In his series, Aziz clearly prefers the white women, they're like his dream woman

What is Indian for "shiksa"?

by Anonymousreply 64January 16, 2018 11:30 AM

[quote]The editors of Babe stand by their story and say they would publish it again tomorrow.

Damn right they would, nobody had ever heard of them before Sunday and they got 2.5 million clicks!

by Anonymousreply 65January 16, 2018 11:32 AM

[quote] Way spoke about the case on "CBS This Morning" on Monday and implicitly responded to some of the critiques. "Just because something is normal, doesn't mean it's OK," Way said. "Just because something happens a lot, doesn't mean it should ever happen." Feminist writer Jessica Valenti made a similar point on Monday. "Our standard for sexual behavior has to be more than what's legal or illegal -- it needs to be about what's right," Valenti tweeted. "I'm sure we're going to hear lots of stories in the coming months about actions that aren't against the law, or that don't warrant repercussions. That doesn't mean that women weren't hurt, or that these stories aren't worth discussing." Along those same lines, Herrmann recalled one of his colleagues saying that Babe's reporters "want to represent these young women in the way they should be, not in the way they have been in the past."

They want what's right? What is right, in their estimation? To the extent of hurting a man's reputation and career? I don't understand their objectives.

by Anonymousreply 66January 16, 2018 11:33 AM

In other words, the man has to always treat women right, even if they don't speak up. Gotcha. Let's go back to chaperones and etiquette school then.

by Anonymousreply 67January 16, 2018 11:35 AM

Just don't fuck women. Plenty of men available. Straight sex is overrated and this story is a good example why everyone should be gay.

by Anonymousreply 68January 16, 2018 11:44 AM

What's this "publish it again" drama? We know we're on the internet.

by Anonymousreply 69January 16, 2018 11:44 AM

The mainstream media picks and chooses which stories to blow up. They originally ignored Weinstein and they downplayed the Jeffrey Epstein pedo scandal.

I wouldn't be surprised if they continue to do stories like this one involving Ansari to derail the MeToo# movement. All they have to do is find disgruntled women and give them a platform.

The media needed Aziz because up to now no one could give an answer to who had been unfairly railroaded. So the media has decided to provide this answer in the form of Ansari.

And now they are publishing all these "The MeToo# movement is over" stories. They wish it was over I'm sure considering all the media people that have been knocked out by this movement.

by Anonymousreply 70January 16, 2018 11:45 AM

R70, yes this is a whole big conspiracy. Media to blame. Fake news. Lock her up.

by Anonymousreply 71January 16, 2018 11:47 AM

This whole thing is over for so many people. Especially women. I watched as the group of women I talk with at work of gradually shifted on the topic. Harassment and sexual assault are naturally always horrible but these latest stories have really soured them to this "movement". So this date was bad, who hasn't had bad dates. We have to destroy this man. Mark Wahlberg is a smart business man, Michele Williams isn't, but he's the bad guy. There are lots of women who don't hate men. They love their husbands and sons and will not except a world where they are told to step aside and where any minor false move their son makes on a date means their life is over. These women vote Republican.

by Anonymousreply 72January 16, 2018 11:48 AM

Aziz should have listened to his father. He only dated 2 women.

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by Anonymousreply 73January 16, 2018 11:50 AM

What latest stories, R72? There has only been this ONE questionable story?

And what happened to all the pedos like Bryan Singer, Gary Goddard, the guy who molested the girl from True Lies? People might not care about women but what about all the stories involving kids? We haven't even seen the tip of the iceberg on those stories? Just want to sweep it under the rug because you're tired of hearing about it?

by Anonymousreply 74January 16, 2018 12:04 PM

Eh, the James Franco blow job in a car accuser was just as bogus.

by Anonymousreply 75January 16, 2018 2:52 PM

they did oral and then she was uncomfortable with actual intercourse??? This woman sounds like a flake. This whole thing is getting out of hand and a lot of men are going to be destroyed because a woman is vengeful or "hurt" or angry...............and on and on.

by Anonymousreply 76January 16, 2018 3:01 PM

The story is ridiculous because Aziz NEVER forced himself on her and when she said she was uncomfortable, he stopped.

This should be held up as the very way men SHOULD act with women.

by Anonymousreply 77January 16, 2018 3:04 PM

I love how the defenders of this scream that men should learn to treat women right in bed like there's one size fits all sex for women. Some women like giving oral, some don't. Some women like getting oral, some don't. Some like extended foreplay, some don't. Hell, I work with a few women who like a bit of kink and wouldn't mind his finger move.

And, to make it worse, the popularity of things like 50 Shares of Grey make it all that more confusing.

If you don't verbalized your likes and dislikes, ladies, then you are going to have very unsatisfying sex.

by Anonymousreply 79January 16, 2018 3:13 PM

R79 they'll have to text their needs in emojis from across the room, Millennials don't know how to have a conversation.

by Anonymousreply 80January 16, 2018 3:19 PM

Well, maybe they'll learn cause an eggplant emoji is ambiguous, r80.

by Anonymousreply 81January 16, 2018 3:31 PM

There is a lot of pushback against the NYT and Atlantic pieces as well as Ashleigh Banfield. It's looking like the young vs. the old.

by Anonymousreply 83January 16, 2018 6:00 PM

What does Lens Dunham have to say?

After all she is both a #MeToo spokesperson and the "Voice of a Generation."

by Anonymousreply 84January 16, 2018 6:05 PM

[quote]It's looking like the young vs. the old.

Bring it bitches.

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by Anonymousreply 85January 16, 2018 6:06 PM

R83 yeah, if you talk to Women who are Baby Boomers they mostly think this is all ridiculous. Someone posted a study here, where over 25% of millennial girls think a compliment on looks "You look nice today!" is harassment. They're fucking deranged.

by Anonymousreply 86January 16, 2018 6:14 PM

Mark me down for Team Old.

by Anonymousreply 87January 16, 2018 6:15 PM

That's my impression where the age divide is, R86. But eventually the younger generation takes over so what are the Boomers going to do? Eventually they will be the ones in charge.

by Anonymousreply 88January 16, 2018 6:18 PM

R88 not much, just enjoy a world of FemNazis

by Anonymousreply 89January 16, 2018 6:20 PM

[quote]It's looking like the young vs. the old.

I think race and class are a factor in the responses as well. If you've actually had to deal with serious shit in your life, it's hard to pretend that stuff like this date is the end of the world.

by Anonymousreply 90January 16, 2018 6:20 PM

R90, that’s a good point. She said it was the worst night of her life. She must have led a pretty charmed life if so.

by Anonymousreply 91January 16, 2018 6:23 PM

R89, when men start avoiding women out of fear of misinterpreting non verbal cues and stick to porn, and all these liberated young women have trouble finding a man to pay all their bills and support them while they pop out a litter of children, suddenly men won’t be the monsters anymore.

by Anonymousreply 92January 16, 2018 7:06 PM

R92 the porn thing is already happening and might explain some of the male behavior.

by Anonymousreply 93January 16, 2018 7:09 PM

R92 don't forget the men who don't want to hire them for fear of liability.

by Anonymousreply 94January 16, 2018 7:33 PM

Actually, for some companies it might just be easier to hire women, R94. No worries about having to make huge payouts on the behalf of guys like Matt Lauer and Chris Matthews.

The people at the very top will still likely be guys. But the middle people can be staffed by women. NBC gave Lauer's spot to Hoda Kotb and the ratings are higher than ever.

by Anonymousreply 95January 16, 2018 7:52 PM

I've had plenty of experiences much worse than what happened to her, but I can still see why she felt his behavior was wrong. The weirdest part was the "sex pantomime" after they agreed not to have sex. I don't see why people think she represents the average of any group. She seems especially naive, inexperienced, etc. He's still a narcisstic, wannabe frat bro pretending to be woke. The real problem is the "journalist."

by Anonymousreply 96January 16, 2018 7:57 PM

^narcissistic

by Anonymousreply 97January 16, 2018 7:59 PM

Does this woman routinely go home with men she barely knows? No judgment, I do all the time but am aware that there are potential risks and sometimes you just say no and leave.

by Anonymousreply 98January 16, 2018 8:01 PM

The journalist should have presented this not as a #MeToo, but the problems young women have with dating while not knowing how to be assertive and express themselves. There is a valid discussion in that this girl is inexperienced and she could have had a much better time had she spoken up verbally and said she wanted red wine, she wanted to finish her wine at dinner, she wanted to get to know Aziz before sucking his dick.

by Anonymousreply 99January 16, 2018 8:03 PM

Millennial women have been completely infantilized by society. They have no way of sucking up a bad experience and moving on. Not to sound dismissive, but everyone has bad dates where they’re pushed into uncomfortable situations. Dude’s name isn’t Ms. Cleo; how should he Aziz know what chick is thinking? Not putting yourself in a situation you can’t get out of is #1 for adult dating. Can’t wait for Camille Paglia to weigh in on this one.

by Anonymousreply 100January 16, 2018 8:13 PM

R96 his behavior was wrong. I'm not sure anyone is disagreeing with that part. Like R99, there is a valid discussion to be had around this topic. But people were upset that it got included in the MeToo# movement. Like R99 said, the journalist could have presented this situation in a different way.

I don't like what Ashleigh Banfield did. I think she may have discouraged some actual victims from coming forward in the future, caused this naïve young women to experience additional trauma and she gave the impression that Aziz's behavior was just a normal dating ritual that women just need to endure. Banfield should have focused her criticism solely on the CBS journalist who published the article.

by Anonymousreply 101January 16, 2018 8:18 PM

Can we make it clear that Katie Way, low-rent hack writer for Babe.net, DOES NOT work for CBS! She made a post humblebragging when she was on some panel on CBS THIS MORNING for a quick second.

by Anonymousreply 102January 16, 2018 8:22 PM

Damn, when a couple of the comments, like R99's, in an aonymous forum make more sense than 99 percent of the stories on this.

by Anonymousreply 103January 16, 2018 8:23 PM

‘Grace’ included #metoo in her tweet to Aziz first. The writer went along with it.

by Anonymousreply 104January 16, 2018 8:40 PM

R96: "Sex pantomime" is the author's and the alleged victim's choice of words which are made to put Aziz Ansari in the worst possible light. In reality, maybe he just ground his hips into her a few times. They had already performed multiple sex acts and were nude. My guess is that Aziz did not launch into a Marcel Marceaux erotic pantomime routine.

As for the now infamous "V" fingers, I've always heard that incorporating a couple of fingers into cunnilingus was something women liked. Straight women and lesbians can correct this gay man. In her twisted account a couple of fingers becomes a "creepy" "V-shaped" "claw." Part of having casual sex with strangers is trial-and-error. Doing stuff to each other and gauging the reaction. This is how casual hook-up sex works.

Unfortunately, Ansari can't rebut any of these "rapey" details because a man can never get into a blow-by-blow account of his sexual encounter with a young woman. It would only look bad on him. Was she playing with herself while blowing him? Does "let's take it slow" mean do other things to me, and then, I'll let you fuck me?

by Anonymousreply 105January 16, 2018 8:40 PM

R90 Agreed. Of course these stories we are hearing come from basic girls from Snoresville, Flyover who decide they need to be living in NYC on their parents' dime even though they lack basic street smarts and it seems common sense as well - it's a recipe for disaster.

by Anonymousreply 106January 16, 2018 8:51 PM

R101, I actually don't think he was wrong.  We know a lot about what he did, but very little about her actions.  She admits to flirty texts prior to the meeting.  I would be willing to bet that she gave the wrong impression about herself in these texts and that neither party got what they were expecting that night.  So until I know more about HER actions, I am holding off on saying that he was wrong.

Nothing worse than a passive aggressive Millennial.

by Anonymousreply 107January 16, 2018 8:51 PM

I don't see him the same way as I did. He doesn't seem like the "nice guy" he was portraying himself as on his show. No biggie. There are other shows to watch.

by Anonymousreply 108January 16, 2018 8:55 PM

Great journalism from Babe Dot Net. Could be the next Washington Post.

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by Anonymousreply 109January 16, 2018 8:56 PM

[quote]Hell, I work with a few women who like a bit of kink and wouldn't mind his finger move.

My God, where do you work?!?? In the 20 years at my company, and the hundreds of people I've worked with, I've never known the sexual proclivities of a SINGLE ONE of them. It's unimaginable to me to discuss sex with coworkers, and I don't imagine them discussing it with me not around either.

by Anonymousreply 110January 16, 2018 9:07 PM

R110, I have some older GenXers around and we have a regular after work wine fest. Older GenXers are way less puritanical than Millennials. Millennials are huge pains in the ass who are hung up on minutia. The world is completley screwed if this group doesn't have a rekoning real soon.

by Anonymousreply 111January 16, 2018 9:25 PM

[quote]There is a valid discussion in that this girl is inexperienced and she could have had a much better time had she spoken up verbally and said she wanted red wine, she wanted to finish her wine at dinner, she wanted to get to know Aziz before sucking his dick.

One of the problems here is that nothing about this story or the way it was framed encourages women to assert themselves. Everything is framed in terms of his inability to guess what's making her feel victimized, and I'm sorry, but if you don't actually tell the guy, he probably won't know. If she didn't like the wine choice, she could have told him right there, or made a mental note of his pushy behavior and decided he wasn't the kind of guy she wanted to spend more time with. When I'm feeling cynical, I think the only reason she let the date progress as far it did is because he's a celebrity. That kinda explains her rush to Twitter afterwards as well.

by Anonymousreply 112January 16, 2018 9:25 PM

And, r110, I can blow your mind even further...one of them dated a baseball mascot who freaked out when she wanted to do it doggy style.

by Anonymousreply 113January 16, 2018 9:27 PM

R86, for real? "you look nice today" is harassment to someone? what a fucking crazy world we live in!

by Anonymousreply 114January 16, 2018 9:31 PM

The whole fucking thing could have been avoided if she had had the self-possession and maturity to end it the MINUTE she felt uncomfortable. She hung in there for the status and has no excuse. Learn a lesson little girls: SPEAK THE FUCK UP in the moment, not later and not without a lot of careful forethought into how serious the situation may or may not have been.

by Anonymousreply 115January 16, 2018 9:39 PM

Huffpost chimes in

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by Anonymousreply 116January 16, 2018 9:53 PM

HA! Back in the day I'd have turned the tables on that little twit and fucked his damn brains out. When he texted the next day, I'd reply: "Who are you?" I've been in those situations that this poor little snowflake is so 'uncomfortable' with and dang if those boys didn't regret getting rough. Those that enjoyed it soon figured out I wanted nothing to do with THEM and left me the hell alone.

by Anonymousreply 117January 16, 2018 9:59 PM

I'm a woman in my 40s, I really like MASTER OF NONE and Aziz, she was a clueless cocktease who wanted a celebrity boyfriend and this is YET ANOTHER reason why millenials suck. Aziz forced white wine down her gullet and there were no safe spaces in his apartment!!

by Anonymousreply 118January 16, 2018 10:01 PM

R111, as much as people try to pin the SJW movement on certain genders, generations, races, and classes, the truth is that social media and the MSM in general that gives a ton of attention and support to victim narratives and people taking a “stand” against injustice. That’s the common thread.

People know they’ll be celebrated for supporting “correct” issues and the same people who would drop a sex tape when that was an avenue or join a reality show cast simply dress themselves in the image of the movement. And because their heart and intent is in the wrong place, they’ll eventually start muddying the waters of what it is they’re saying and what people actually find wrong with the issue they’re supporting.

by Anonymousreply 119January 16, 2018 10:10 PM

I’m sure the girl who spoke of her account with Ansari called herself a sex positive slut ten years ago when that was in vogue. She’s rebranded herself as a victim because it’s 2018 and that’s how she gets people to care now.

by Anonymousreply 120January 16, 2018 10:12 PM

Wouldn't she have been 13?

by Anonymousreply 121January 16, 2018 10:13 PM

Yes, R121. Another problem here is that Aziz is going after girls who are way too naive, inexperienced, and dazzled by his celebrity.

by Anonymousreply 122January 16, 2018 10:17 PM

This type of scenario is what should be talked about in sex ed classes.

by Anonymousreply 123January 16, 2018 10:19 PM

To Aziz, from Grace:

(look at the fingers at 1:03, Lol)

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by Anonymousreply 124January 16, 2018 10:31 PM

[quote] Aziz is going after girls who are way too naive, inexperienced, and dazzled by his celebrity

This woman was 23, well into adulthood. According to her online photos, she appears to have had past relationships with adult men.

No one wants to acknowledge that this woman may have had an ulterior motive despite all of the evidence: She seemed quite clever and capable while ditching her date to seduce Aziz. She was very adept at texting to create a "paper trail" of evidence (boy, she became articulate her feelings and bounderies real fast!) And, let's not forget she attempted to publicly "out" him BEFORE the Golden Globe awards even though she said the sight of him wearing a TimesUp pin drove her to speak out.

Don't believe for a second that she doesn't know how this "sex" thing with men works. She's a proven liar and manipulator.

by Anonymousreply 126January 16, 2018 10:42 PM

R122 Aziz is 34. His date is 23. You have no idea what her experience level is. She is however an adult woman who graduated from high school and college and she is employed. And she lives in a major metro. The two met at an awards ceremony. As she admitted; they were mutually attracted to each other. It’s not like he’s trolling high school campuses for dates. For all we know she’s had more dates and sex than many 35 yr olds.

by Anonymousreply 127January 16, 2018 10:43 PM

R98, sadly, to her he wasn't a stranger. She thought she knew him well through his TV show. A hard lesson.

by Anonymousreply 128January 16, 2018 10:46 PM

True, I don't know her experience level. Going by her social media accounts, she seems to have the mentality of a sheltered teenager, but that's probably true of a lot of people.

by Anonymousreply 129January 16, 2018 10:49 PM

R128 that's an important point. Most people barely no each other in real life, yet they think an obvious persona is a real person.

by Anonymousreply 130January 16, 2018 10:50 PM

"Know" each other. Oops.

by Anonymousreply 131January 16, 2018 10:51 PM

I still don't understand if she didn't want to fuck because the oral sex was so bad or if she's one of those who only consider penetration counts as sex?

by Anonymousreply 132January 16, 2018 10:53 PM

I NEVER do this but FF R125 for trying to get the thread closed down. That's just a slap in the face to every DL member.

by Anonymousreply 133January 16, 2018 10:54 PM

[quote] R98, sadly, to her he wasn't a stranger. She thought she knew him well through his TV show. A hard lesson.

Rumor has it she also met Kit Harrington while he was visiting NYC and was crushed when he refused to take her to his castle to see the dragons.

by Anonymousreply 134January 16, 2018 10:58 PM

I' just glad these two didn't breed. That would have been one ugly, cunty baby.

by Anonymousreply 135January 16, 2018 11:02 PM

"HA! Back in the day I'd have turned the tables on that little twit and fucked his damn brains out. When he texted the next day, I'd reply: "Who are you?"

We need more R117's in the world. If more women would start laughing hysterically at lard assed Harvey Weinstein or Louie CK when they whipped out their teeny peepees (basically humiliating them and deflating their massive egos in the process), this shit would stop immediately. Quit being such delicate hot house flowers.

by Anonymousreply 136January 16, 2018 11:03 PM

R117 and R136 I would love that! I wish she would have shoved her "claw" up his hole and down his throat repeatedly. Because, hey, some guys really like that!

by Anonymousreply 137January 16, 2018 11:06 PM

Here's a comment from twitter:

[quote] FYI saying "fuck that guy for being a gross sex creep" isn't actually the same as putting him in jail. few know this

Ok, but what about professional repercussions? Should this person lose their show? And why are they on trial on social media? That's the world we live in. If enough people are upset on the internet....

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by Anonymousreply 138January 16, 2018 11:07 PM

Middle class white women are the most oppressed group on earth. If you don't agree then you're a victim-blaming misogynist abuse-enabler. #ImWithHer

by Anonymousreply 139January 16, 2018 11:09 PM

[quote] Wouldn't she have been 13?

R120 is a moron who didn't the article, just like most of the posters here. Funny You're making fun of millenials and most of you are too stupid to even understand what You're judging. Such wise elders we have here.

by Anonymousreply 140January 16, 2018 11:13 PM

R136 so stop demanding they be so delicate. Let their parents, teachers, neighbors, church members and more know to drop this demand.

by Anonymousreply 141January 16, 2018 11:14 PM

I'm convinced Aziz Ansari is off his trolley because he showed up to various red carpet events with a massive white cyst on his eyelid.

Who does that.

by Anonymousreply 142January 16, 2018 11:15 PM

R136.

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by Anonymousreply 143January 16, 2018 11:21 PM

R140, you bet your ass I know what I'm judging.  If you are going to air your dirty laundry on social media for all the world to read then be prepared to be judged.  After all, isn't that what SHE is looking for...the world to judge Ansari?  Tough shit for her that it didn't quite work out in her favor.

Oh, and you're a moron.

by Anonymousreply 144January 16, 2018 11:23 PM

You're a hysterical, irrational person, r144. It takes a lot more than stomping your feet in righteous anger and calling people names to prove you have sound judgment. I wouldn't trust your judgment on anything.

by Anonymousreply 145January 16, 2018 11:32 PM

What do people want to happen? Can Aziz learn or change? Watching Master of None..his character thinks he's something of a player but that's the joke right? He's really this little quirky dude. Maybe that character ties into who he is?

by Anonymousreply 146January 16, 2018 11:32 PM

R145, if you think I need to prove myself to an anonymous Internet poster then you're an even bigger moron than I first thought.

by Anonymousreply 147January 16, 2018 11:40 PM

I guess it depends on the makeup of the audience for his show, R146. He probably is okay with older viewers. If it was mostly young women watching his show then maybe he has a problem.

Depends how many of his fans think what he did is too opposite to the image he projects and thus makes it difficult to believe his show. Maybe he can write something into his show about the incident.

by Anonymousreply 148January 16, 2018 11:41 PM

^ Meant R147

by Anonymousreply 149January 16, 2018 11:41 PM

Scratch that. Did mean R146.

by Anonymousreply 150January 16, 2018 11:42 PM

No, r149, you were right the first time.

by Anonymousreply 151January 16, 2018 11:43 PM

R147 You're the one responding to me in a huff when I didn't even direct my original comment to you, dumbass. You care very much what anonymous posters think.

by Anonymousreply 152January 16, 2018 11:45 PM

OMG....someone posts a maybe-not-that-great article online at a website no one's ever heard of.....and the right is screaming THE WHEELS ARE COMING OFF THE #ME TOO MOVEMENT!!!!

Jeez....calm down.

This lady can share her story and impressions. People can take it to heart or not, or return to it later.

No one's dying.

by Anonymousreply 153January 16, 2018 11:46 PM

R152, this is DL where everyone comments on everything, moron.

by Anonymousreply 154January 16, 2018 11:52 PM

R153 here.

Sorry for posting something that completely misses the point.

No, I now realize that is it not okay for a typically self-absorbed twat to ruin a reputation because she wants her moment of victim-glory, and the harm done to her victim and to the cause of women fighting abuse is not insubstantial.

For penance, I'm including my photo. Yes, I am a fat cunt.

Jeez..... no one's dying. Although I should.

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by Anonymousreply 155January 16, 2018 11:53 PM

Someone's career could die, r153, over a clumsy attempt at getting head.

by Anonymousreply 156January 16, 2018 11:54 PM

Do the young not understand their number? She’s a NY 5, she should’ve sucked his dick dry and felt honored.

by Anonymousreply 157January 16, 2018 11:55 PM

Thanks for the laugh, r154. You really are a moron and you prove it with every post.

by Anonymousreply 158January 16, 2018 11:57 PM

I am sorry this happened to her but what's missing from her account is the role of his celebrity on her decision-making. I feel like that might be left out.

by Anonymousreply 159January 17, 2018 12:00 AM

R158 the trolls trying it with you have troll threads all over DL. If anyone objects- I'd just block and then go through and FF their posts. You can easily judge for yourself the difference between an asshole who disagrees and a troll.

by Anonymousreply 160January 17, 2018 12:00 AM

Maybe everyone should go the Jack Nicholson route and just pay for sex outright.

Maybe with an NDA for the 2018 Zeitgeist.

by Anonymousreply 161January 17, 2018 12:02 AM

[quote] Someone's career could die, R153, over a clumsy attempt at getting head.

This is why there is zero interest in working with law enforcement. Years ago, there was a push to update laws and educate police officers to handle victims.

We have a system to protect victims of sexual assault. Evidence and sworn testimony are required. The system also has statute of limitations.

These are spoiled brats who want an informal system to punish every man who disappointed them or left them with a negative experience.

by Anonymousreply 162January 17, 2018 12:16 AM

R156 but other actors face "career death" all the time when stuff comes out that directly contradicts the image they project.

Arnold S. turned off a lot of people with the way he treated his wife and kids. Reese Witherspoon turned off many with the cop incident. Ben Affleck with the nanny thing. It didn't kill their careers especially if their career was actually a solid one. Some people just don't like them now who liked them before. Not a tragedy.

by Anonymousreply 163January 17, 2018 12:24 AM

They don't enforce the law. The backlog of untested rape kits alone is proof the system is broken. And that's barely the tip of the iceberg. This country has relied on vigilante justice and civil suits to pursue not only rape and sexual assault but also situations like this one. If this happened to a white upper middle class girl prior to the sexual revolution there's more than a good chance that Ansari would be recuperating in a hospital bed. When Grace's father heard about this his ass would be toast. If you want to reform something- work on the justice system. Judgement and retaliation outside of that system have been part of the American framework for centuries.

by Anonymousreply 164January 17, 2018 12:26 AM

It seems to me that there is a divide between women with sons and women without sons on this point.

The women with sons are furious at "Grace."

Those without are less so.

by Anonymousreply 165January 17, 2018 12:29 AM

That's funny, r158, I said the same thing to you in another thread. At least be original.

by Anonymousreply 166January 17, 2018 12:29 AM

R162, if you've ever spoken to a rape victim who has reported to the police you'd know that victims are rarely treated fairly. They are dragged through the mud by police, and if it goes to trial, by the prosecution. The way the law is supposed to help victims rarely applies in real life.

by Anonymousreply 167January 17, 2018 12:35 AM

r163, they weren't getting lumped in with Harvey Weinstein in his robe and Matt Lauer with the button under the desk.

Matt Damon just got coerced into apologizing for trying to introduce the concept of grades of offense into the conversation.

by Anonymousreply 168January 17, 2018 12:38 AM

R165, there's also an age gap. The over 40 crowd seem more likely to be concerned about Grace's lack of agency or confused by the whole scenario as "date" altogether.

by Anonymousreply 169January 17, 2018 12:39 AM

[quote] If this happened to a white upper middle class girl prior to the sexual revolution there's more than a good chance that Ansari would be recuperating in a hospital bed. When Grace's father heard about this his ass would be toast.

Perfect example!

Outside of the legal system, this white upper middle class WOMAN (there's no such thing as a 23 year old girl, or boy) would run home with her tall tale of abuse and a lynch mob would be at his door dragging him out.

However, in court, she would have to give an account of the crime and describe that after performing cunnilingus on her, the defendant insert two fingers in her vagina and she found this "creepy." He also, after receiving fellatio, pointed at his penis and request additional fellatio. Her bullshit case would be dismissed.

So, the only lynch mob this girl-who-cried-wolf can run to is social media.

by Anonymousreply 170January 17, 2018 12:39 AM

Actually, r165, it seems that men are doing all the speaking for women. As usual. This thread is proof of that.

by Anonymousreply 171January 17, 2018 12:40 AM

It's a site for gay men, r171. The demographic is pretty well fixed.

And the NYT article was written by a woman, as was the piece in The Atlantic.

by Anonymousreply 172January 17, 2018 12:43 AM

Not necessarily, r169. Meghan McCain on The View today wasn't having it and noted that people who disagreed are being bullied. So, it's not an age gap, gender gap, or any gap other than the social media lynch mob are loud and bullies.

by Anonymousreply 173January 17, 2018 12:44 AM

What did she say, r173?

by Anonymousreply 174January 17, 2018 12:45 AM

The current "lynch mob" of women who talk about sleazy men is a blessing to modern men. Now it's up to women, and all they do is talk. When it was up to men to handle these affairs a guy could be sure to at least get his ass handed to him if not his balls in a pickle jar.

by Anonymousreply 175January 17, 2018 12:46 AM

You can probably catch it on YouTube or ABC.com, r174. It was carefully worded, but basically she didn't agree.

by Anonymousreply 176January 17, 2018 12:48 AM

R170 you conveniently ignore the fact that it is the justice system doesn't work the way it's supposed to. Rape victims are treated like garbage by police and law enforcement for reporting rape. And rapists frequently go free.

by Anonymousreply 177January 17, 2018 12:49 AM

I should add, r174, that the whole non-verbal thing came up and she didn't get it. Essentially, everyone thought "grace" expected Ansari to be a mind reader. She also carefully mentioned that not agreeing would probably get her in trouble.

Those who think "grace" is a victim aren't necessarily the largest group. They are just the loudest.

by Anonymousreply 178January 17, 2018 12:52 AM

Well, R177, then fix the system for rape victims. Seriously, if this is a time when women want to be brave and help other women, start with the most serious offenses first: rape and sexual assault.

There is no system for women who feel "used" "humiliated" "played" "misused" or "pressured."

by Anonymousreply 179January 17, 2018 12:56 AM

Poor man asked the very, very wrong woman on a date.

by Anonymousreply 180January 17, 2018 12:56 AM

R168 but Ansari's case isn't being received that way. People were able to differentiate. Twitter wasn't hard on him at all. The blowback was mostly on the woman.

Yes, some people might now not like him. I don't think it's going to hurt whatever career he was destined to have before this event. He's not exactly a shining mega star so I don't know if he was ever really going to have a really long career anyway. Kind of like Lena Dunham and many, many other people who are hot and often overhyped for a period but then cool off.

As for Matt Damon, he really just talks too much and just rambles. He should take heed from his fellow actors who aren't getting themselves into trouble.

by Anonymousreply 181January 17, 2018 12:58 AM

It looks like there is indeed a system for women being mistreated without being raped. There has always been one. And when men ruled it- violence was the way it was settled.

by Anonymousreply 182January 17, 2018 1:00 AM

Would someone please list all the “clear” nonverbal cues the woman gave that she was uncomfortable? Was it when she directed her body to give him a non verbal blowjob after he pointed to his erect penis?

by Anonymousreply 183January 17, 2018 1:25 AM

she should have squeezed out a fresh snake on his marble counters while he was munching her box. that would teach him!

by Anonymousreply 184January 17, 2018 2:13 AM

[quote]the truth is that social media and the MSM in general that gives a ton of attention and support to victim narratives and people taking a “stand” against injustice.

The more victimized they claim to be, the greater the prestige with their peers. And thanks to the Internet, there are countless people around to give them sympathy for their issues and reinforce their self-image as a victim.

Not that I'm against social media, Datalounge is social media, right? Thank goodness we all have some sense.

by Anonymousreply 185January 17, 2018 2:15 AM

Just as long as this doesn't effect his darryl character on bobs burgers, that's I care about .

by Anonymousreply 186January 17, 2018 2:22 AM

all^^ Damn it we need an edit feature lol.

by Anonymousreply 187January 17, 2018 2:22 AM

Young or old, it's all the same...women luuuuuuvvvvv bonding with each other over suffering and complaining.

by Anonymousreply 188January 17, 2018 2:29 AM

[quote]The more victimized they claim to be, the greater the prestige with their peers.

There is a strange dynamic at play. As perverse as it is, I think she derived a certain cachet from having a #MeToo moment with a minor celebrity. And the babe.net writer got some from being able to write about it.

by Anonymousreply 189January 17, 2018 2:30 AM

The babe.net "writer" made a very big fool of herself today with this email. How the hell does a person like this have any credibility?

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by Anonymousreply 190January 18, 2018 4:29 AM

r184 now THAT would be a strong non-verbal cue!

by Anonymousreply 191January 18, 2018 6:10 AM

Honestly my first thought when this story came out was that it felt at the very least like mra bait, if not a clever way to discredit the recent movement. If babe or this Grace really wanted to contribute positively she could have left his name out and written about pushy men and the need to stand up for yourself, but she choose this lurid mess route instead. Of course in the twitter age it’s all about getting the most attention.

by Anonymousreply 192January 18, 2018 6:52 AM

Babe is funded by Rupert Murdoch, so I wouldn't doubt if this was done to either attack celeb hypocrisy using MeToo as a guise, or to divide women and paint them in a bad light. The "journalist" trashing Ashleigh was an especially bad look for modern day feminists.

by Anonymousreply 193January 18, 2018 7:05 AM

Wow @ that response at R190. Almost hard to believe that's a real person.

by Anonymousreply 194January 18, 2018 7:08 AM

To who the fuck knows what all R number posts:

THE UNTESTED RAPE KITS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Anonymousreply 195January 18, 2018 7:09 AM
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