Victoria, Season 2

Nice to see david oakes playing something other than a pouncy villian.

Oh wait....

The Upstairs/Downstairs idea for this show was so stupid. Who cares if Ben kingsley's son returns as the dessert chef at Buckingham Palace?

I think Tom Hughes is AWFUL as Albert. He has two expressions and he doesn’t do either very well.

"Despite being too pretty and skinny, Jenna Coleman is still really appealing as Victoria"

Pretty is in the eye of the beholder, and Victoria was skinny when she was young (you know, before giving birth to nine children).

I'm more put off by the fact that the real Victoria was a totally pale type, with flaxen hair and pale blue eyes, and they don't seem to have made any effort to get Coleman to resemble that -- I mean, how hard is it to bleach an actress's hair and slap some contacts on her?

R3, I agree about Hughes. Dull... dull.

He and Coleman date in real life, you can tell, because they have no on screen chemistry.

I think The Crown is better done.

I agree with OP. The series does look cheap. Even the CGIs of 19th century London.

r6 I know right. The flag outside of Buckingham Palace doesn't even move even though it's waving in the wind. But the wave is stuck.

I like it!

David Oakes is delicious. I googled him immediately upon watching THE BORGIAS.

The best part of this season is the Scotland episode, just delightful and the two hour Christmas Special.

The X-mas episode is actually about Christmas, syphilis and slavery. Warms the cockles...

It’s not as opulent as The Crown, but it looks great and is entertaining.

I don’t find Tom Hughes as Albert dull at all. He’s really sexy and has a lot of chemistry with Jenna Coleman, who’s a terrific Victoria.

No one’s mentioned the gay story with Paget and Drummond. Leo Suter is especially beautiful as Drummond....Yeah, I’m in love.

Drummond is dead and Lord Albert married the Duchess of Bulckleahclahakakak's niece. She is one smart fag-hag.

It's a pale replacement for my Sunday night Downtown Abbey fix but it's watchable. I find the downstairs stories dull too. The Dash scene tonight really got me though. It's the one time this scenarios has elicited an emotion from me.

The King Leopold is my real father twist tonight was extra lame, but I guess they have to inject some drama and pathos into the series.

I know, r13. An old friend died recently. When Victoria came in to find her dog died, I started crying like a baby.

"It's the one time this scenarios has elicited an emotion from me."

I meant "series" and not scenarios.

The Cavalier King Charles is my favorite dog breed, beautiful and lovely.

PBS ran DA series three marathon today. Ended with Georgie being born and dead Matthew.

I cried like a baby.

I cried when Dash died.

I hope there's more of Prince ernest in season 3. He and Diana Rigg are the best things about this show now Melbourne is gone.

Wait Diana Rigg is in this...(I always miss the first few minutes and credits).

Is she the old Duchess?

She is, r19

To those of you who saw the whole season already, please don't spoil it for the rest of us.

Actually there's been previous speculation that Albert 's father was actually Leopold.

"Ben Kingsley's son (Ferdinand) returns as the dessert chef "

I think he's super hot. I'd lick his clotted cream.

Here's Ferdy in that silly 'Dracula Untold' flick which costarred our gay fave Luke Evans!

[quote] Pretty is in the eye of the beholder,

No.

A much much better recent portrayal of Queen Victoria was the wonderful and historically accurate film Victoria and Abdul staring Dame Judi Dench.

Does Jenna Coleman get nude?

Our household has just started watching series two - and enjoyed the first episode & will eke out the remaining ones carefuly rather than just binge (as we did the first season).

Unlike sone of the naysayers here - we all really like it - find it engagingly written and the cast is great - especially the leads - and the hot Kingsley son (and his puddings!)

I persevered with The Crown till about the fifth episode - the one with the great London fogs. It was a subject I’d been interested in - yet the series treatment of it was so deathly dull that I gave up. My partner and our housemate had given up after the first ep.

Maybe it’s ‘cos we’re Aussies who aren’t really very fussed about the royals and would rather we became a Republic? Lol!

Anyway - know lots that love The Crown here too - I don’t understand why. Dull, dull, dull. Rather watch The Windsors (which is fab!).

Thought the recent Dench Victoria film was a bit boring as well - AND played fast and loose with the actual timeline of events. Tut! Tut!

Speaking of which...

Thought the Victoria series took fairly minor historical liberties for the most part - but was curious about the new Diana Rigg character. Looked her up. Bit naughty of them! The woman in question was born in 1811 - so by he time of the events portrayed in that first episode when she joins the household - she’d only be mid-thirties. Love Diana Rigg - but she’s around double that age. I’m guessing the producers wanted to insert a difficult/irrascible old lady type into the mix - like Maggie Smith’s turn in Downton. We all love a Lady Catherine de Burgh or a Lady Bracknell I guess. Still - too bad of them!

Wow R25. Andrew's two daughters appear to be time travelers.

"Toe wee ah! Toe wee ah! Where ees the queen? Toe wee ah!"

I don't find the production cheap looking, quite the contrary.

Who cares about buck toothed Mrs Skerritt or boring Mr Penge? All of a sudden Miss Skerritt is Mrs Skerritt and the no-neck lady is gone.

And who cares about Mrs Skerritt's slut relative who seems to be Cecily Strong playing a Cockney in an SNL sketch?

I don't know why, but to me Jenna Coleman looks like someone whose contact lenses were bothering her just a few minutes ago.

The woman in charge of a section of servants was given the title Mrs., R32 so Skerrit got promoted. I agree with you that the below stairs subplots are not worth a damn.

I didn't make it half way through the 1st season. The eye candy wasn't enough. It's been almost 15 years I haven't kissed a young man who looks like Tom Hughes. I miss that, Maybe I could rent one but he probably wouldn't be kissing me back.

Prince Albert goes skinny dipping in France, along with his brother and the two gay courtiers.

Victoria wished that she was as attractive as the actress portraying her. In reality, she was quite the frump. And a chinless one at that!

Did the ‘mos ‘mo?

R34 WW for 15 years.

Sorry picky queers, I love this series and like it more than the crown. It has A great feel. We visit, ondon often, usually twice a year, and it's fun to see places we know about. It is no Downton Abbey But If will do. It needs a little more acerbic wit and comic relief. But if they did that, you would whine it is trying to be Downton

I enjoyed The Crown and Victoria. I do think Tom Hughes is drab but the rest is good. I love Victoria's clothes.

There was quite a bit of male back nudity last night since all the male characters went skinny dipping, but insanely, PBS covered the bare bums with blurs. Both Albert and Ernst jumped into the water with their clothes on initially, but the gay couple went in bare-assed (or so they would have been without the blurs). Victoria was quite turned on by it when she saw it, and then got it on with Albert voraciously afterwards.

I had great trouble telling who was who in the French court. There were two women around King Louis-Phillippe, but neither seemed to be his wife. His mistresses?

The boring stuff with the servants is there merely to fill time--it's hardly to show any sympathy for the working classes, since they're always portrayed as complete idiots.

I feel sorry for Diana Rigg for playing such a nothing part (especially when compared to the Queen of Thorns, her last major gig).

I love it and was hoping the skinny dipping would turn into an orgy

I love this series, love Tom Hughes.

I wish the "gay romance" would go beyond them shooting knowing looks at each other, or have I missed something?

No, but you will hate the assassination attempt.

What, you mean you missed the scene of them fucking in front of Victoria's mother and Diana Rigg's duchess?

It must also have been blurred in the United States.

R44 Something will happen eventually, just be patient. You will hate what happens after that though.

[quote]I think Tom Hughes is AWFUL as Albert.

Tom Hughes is the ONLY reason I watch. I wish they'd let him drop the faux-German accent, though. It makes Albert sound dim. I also wouldn't mind seeing Prince Albert's Prince Albert.

Tonight's episode, "Faith, Hope, and Charity", was the best episode yet. It is about the Irish potato famine. I was already in tears by the last scene, when this song started. Then I really lost it.

r49, wait... you haven't begun to cry.

BUT, the Scottland episode is so wonderful and the Christmas Special is so satisfying that all the tears are worth it.

R49 You will love next weeks episode.

r49, Slàinte mhath! [ slanj’-uh va’ ]

Cheap production values.

The matte shots are laughably bad.

Hughes is horrible. Rest of cast is OK.

And Albert's handsome brother gets syphilis right as his lover's husband gets killed!! And he has to take those hideous "mercury vapor" treatments!

Hughes should drop the faux German accent.

Honey, he's not going to.

Really, R56? I would not have known. Thanks for the elucidation, o wise one.

For Victoria, they should have found some actress with huge eyeballs and a slightly receding chin, like Princess Beatrice.

Eye color can be made blue with cosmetic lenses if not already blue.

No one would want to watch it if they had cast an actress who truly resembled the plain and pudgy Victoria.

Victoria, a beautiful name for a frumpy woman.

This show gets better and better and Season 2 is a huge improvement over #1. Last nights episode was heartbreaking.

[quote] Victoria, a beautiful name for a frumpy woman.

Her full name was Alexandrina Victoria--"Alexandrina" after Tsar Alexander I, who was at her christening, and "Victoria" after her mother Victoire, the Duchess of Kent. "Victoria" was not at all a popular name for girls before her, but at the time it was thought they needed to Anglicize "Victoire."

Until she took the throne, she was known mostly as the Princess Alexandrina of Kent, or "Drina" to her mother and nanny.

Her decision to take the name "Victoria" as her regal name is something that she never entirely explained, but it is thought that she was getting along so poorly with her bullying and overprotective mother at the time she took it to assert ome distance from whom she had been and also to take ownership of her mother's name. But we could well be talking today about the nineteenth century as the Alexandrinan Age had it not been for her decision.

Big deal, Victoria sent £2000 to Ireland. The Ottoman Empire wanted to send £10,000 and was persuaded not to do it because it would make Victoria look like the uncaring skinflint she was.

Another great famine song is Fields of Athenry (written by a Scotsman)

Here, Irish fans sing Fields of Athenry to their soccer team as the team loses to Spain at the World Cup 2012. European sports commentators stopped speaking and let the fans sing to their team while idiot American commentators kept yakking and cut away..

They are singing "Low lie the fields of Athenry, where we once watched the small free birds fly. Our love was on the wing, we had dreams and songs to sing......now it's lonely round the fields of Athenry. "

It's a song about a woman outside prison walls calling goodbye to her husband who has been arrested for taking corn to feed his family. He will be transported to Botany Bay, never to see his family again

Oh, I’m at 6s and 7s! I thought I’d seen the season already, and I had not. Now, the first episode available on Xfinity is episode 5. How do I get eps 1-4!

They should have just sent the Irish a bunch of pizzas or Chinese take away.

Do they make potato pizza?

r64, Thank god you weren't dressed to the nines AND at 6s and 7s...

Try this:

Thanks, R67. I’m not good at math so, “whatever”.

Potatoes are what we eat! MST3K

I am surprised that Slanja-va is spelt Slàinte mhath!

Oh, those Celtic Scotts...

Does anyone know the name of the actor that snoggs with Mrs. Skerret?

He is the best damn thing to look at in this episode!

Finally, a gay kiss.

I love the Ernest and Harriett subplot. Hopefully he won't give her syphilis!

Isn’t that inevitable? R73?

R71 he is Murray Fraser. He plays Prince Harry in an upcoming TV Movie entitled Harry & Meghan: A Royal Romance

Murray Fraser's IMDb's page.

I’m noticing this episode how much Ernest‘s accent is like his Uncle’s.

Thank you r75 -6. I will now find some lotion...

He will do Harry proud!

I noticed the same thing R77.

Thinking of 19th century accents...

I saw a civil war show once when the Rhode Island regimental commander had a modern Providence accent. It was pretty funny. A Providence accent is as harsh as a South Boston or Brooklyn accent, but I never otherwise hear it on TV or movies, so it’s pretty rare as far as I can tell.

I did not care for the first episode as much. It is like they were trying to make them Cliff and Nina of All My Children with immature romantic jealousies etc., but the following episodes were a big improvement. So far, of the episodes I have seen, I thought the Irish famine was the most well done. Although, I do wonder how concerned Victoria really was. I am guessing Victoria and Albert are very idealized versions of the actual people, and that is not just Victoria's trim waist line after having three kids in about four years (although it is hard to tell whether she actually had the third one - it seems like they might have dealt with that whole pregnancy off scree, but am not sure I have seen three kids).

I have to admit I did get a bit chocked up over Dash.

This show is a hot camp mess!

That last show *** SPOILER *** where they get lost in Scotland and bunk with a peasant couple is something I’ve seen in multiple versions of their bios, so it must have happened.

There must have been other royals in Europe that were interesting. But I’ve seen numerous bios of Victoria and not much on the others in the last 20 years, excepting maybe Nicholas & Alexandra and Anastasia of Russia.

[quote]That last show *** SPOILER *** where they get lost in Scotland and bunk with a peasant couple is something I’ve seen in multiple versions of their bios, so it must have happened.

I was wondering about that, but had not checked it. There have been a few things that I kind of rolled my eyes when watching, thinking that never happened, only to check it afterwards, and yes it did happen. And if anyone was wondering, she did have an embroidered Dash bag.

The Dash bag is cute and appropriate for a young girl.

I wish they would occasionally mention the year. I keep having to guess and look-up whatever I can from the episode.

The show is really made for British fraus, and it is so formulaic according to what they want.

The Scottish episode yet again had: Victoria complaining she never ever gets to have any fun; Victoria and Albert lusting after each other and jumping into bed (with no sex shown, only implied); Victoria and Albert going on a fabulous trip; the quaint servants trooping along adoringly after them while dealing with their little people problems; Victoria wearing a dazzling new look to explain the people where she vacations; the two gay characters staring longingly at each other in a picturesque setting but never having sex (this time at least they kissed--I am sure they will get no further); the Duchess of Buccleuch being a grumpy cutie-pie; Victoria offering emotional support for sad female members of her household whom she speaks to like a real pal (and not like a queen to a subject); etc.; etc...

r86, and educated American fraus as well.

Notice how they're never in a rush downstairs. It's buckingham palace, but they're just sitting around the table smoking pipes and reading Shakespeare. Mrs Patmore had more work to do at Downton (and Downton had a bigger staff).

I like the baker, Mr Franconetti or whatever his name is. Hopefully he and the dresser woman will eventually GET IT ON!!

Who gets naked in this overwrought schlock-fest?

Ferdinand Kingsley plays Mr. Francatelli.

Ferdinand is cute.

But you have to hand it to Alex Jennings who is a most skeevey King Leopold in Victoria and a very differently skeevey Duke of Windsor in The Crown.

So what happens with Ernest? I can't help but like the cad. His sense of humor and observations add much to the show. But what happened to him in real history. Does he continue to be alone but a womanizer?

R90, in the Victorian era, nobody got naked, silly.

Actually, true story now: Victoria had a little mobile dressing room built that crept towards the water (river or lake) so she could swim without being seen. And they swam mostly dressed, anyway. Until then, I think people swam for pleasure, when they did, naked.

Any experts on the history of swimming? No fakers, please.

For some reason, I’m drawn to the fabrics in these shows. The literal clothes they wear. I know QEII is notoriously cheap and her clothes may be cumbersome, but sometimes I think, “God, they look good.” Real diamonds and the finest fabrics. Even on the furniture. It must feal like heaven.

Count me as an admirer of Mr. Jennings R92. He ain't much to look at but he's a pretty good actor.

The incomprehensible Scottish woman gives Victoria a darning implement. Do you think it is kept anywhere in their archives or museums anywhere?

I bet that Scottish Home, if it still stands, has a plaque on it today and a souvenir stand.

[quote] Actually, true story now: Victoria had a little mobile dressing room built that crept towards the water (river or lake) so she could swim without being seen.

Most women of the middle and upper classes in 19th-century Britain used those--they weren't just for Queen Victoria. They were called "bathing machines."

[quote] So what happens with Ernest?

He marries a princess and they never have children. It is believed that he gave her a venereal disease that made her infertile though he supposedly had a number of illegitimate children later in his life. And yes he cheated on his wife.

I read that Victoria/Alberts 4th child - 2nd son - ends up living with Ernest and becomes his heir.

Alfred, Victoria's and Albert's 2nd son, was indeed made the heir to the duchy of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, but he was not raised by Ernest. He only went to live in Saxe-Coburg after Ernest died.

Am I the only one who thought Ernest was going to look down at his dick and go "uh oh!" while he was taking that bath?

But the actor who plays Prince Albert, is adorably cute. Why did they have to kill off that other cute guy?

Yeah, that was revolting. To make a historical figure gay just to kill him tragically. Masterpiece needs to get over it, with him and poor, poor Thomas from Downton. I don't expect something unrealistic, like opening a flower shop together, but enough with the tragic gay men.

The real Drummond was pushing 60 when he got shot and the hot little blond guy, Paget, was more than twenty years younger than him. Paget went on to father 14 children which seems like overkill if he was trying to hide being gay. I like this show all right but it is almost pure fiction from start to finish.

R98, Victoria’s "bathing machine“ was mobile. It was brought to the water’s edge, with her inside. That’s taking “Regal” to an extreme!

"But the actor who plays Prince Albert, is adorably cute."

Nope. Tom Hughes is horribly miscast as Albert. His acting is very shallow, like piss on a flat rock.

[quote] like piss on a flat rock.

Does that even mean anything?

[QUOTE] R95 For some reason, I’m drawn to the fabrics in these shows. The literal clothes they wear. I know QEII is notoriously cheap and her clothes may be cumbersome, but sometimes I think, “God, they look good.” Real diamonds and the finest fabrics. Even on the furniture. It must feal like heaven.

Not sure what makes you think that QEII is cheap? Everything that she wears is made bespoke for her by Angela Kelly and her team of three dressmakers.

Her underwear is Rigby & Pellar (around £300 a set) and her hats are custom made by Rachel Trevor Morgan (@ £800), even the gloves and umbrella's cost hundreds of pounds each.

She tends to keep bags and shoes for years but I would guess a day dress, coat, hat and shoes average well over £5000.

But because it isn't available to buy we are unlikely to ever know.

Yeah, well that liquor she guzzles it straight off the shelf.

Me so pretty.

Jenna Coleman has nothin’ on me. Albert agrees.

[quote] R109: Not sure what makes you think that QEII is cheap?

There’s an apocryphal story of her running around, turning off the electric lights. Probably just good PR.

The Queen is quite devious in her efforts to maintain a public image of frugality. Most of her clothes have several copies made so that it appears she is reusing them. The trick of using Angela Kelly to make all of her clothes hides the true cost of almost all of her wardrobe.

Balmoral & Sandringham cost her personally over £3million each to run. I don't imagine that she runs around publicly funded Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle turning off lights.

I wonder about clothes. I have one shirt which really looks great on me. Unfortunately, I can’t wear it, as it is that noticeable and memorable. I think that’s the way with clothes. But if she does it, well, she is the Queen, after all. She can do WTF she pleases.

[quote] [R98], Victoria’s "bathing machine“ was mobile. It was brought to the water’s edge, with her inside. That’s taking “Regal” to an extreme!

r106, most bathing machines were mobile. All the ones shown in the photo at r98 are mobile--you can see the little wheels on the bottom of them.

Queen Victoria was really no more prudish than most women of her time--almost all middle-class and upper-class women would have used mobile bathing machines. That's just how things were.

Oh, interesting, R116!

This show is kind of dead. They were hoping to make another Downton Abbey, but seriously -- they cheaped out on the number of cast members, probably so they could pay for all those candles. And Downton had the clothes and decor. In Victoria's time, the women all wear dark dresses with flat lace collars. I'm sure it will only get worse when SPOILER ALERT --- Albert dies and Victoria switches to an all black wardrobe.

Are they planning to continue the series until her children grow up? Her daughter Alice had a sad life (and was the mother of Tsarina Alexandra). Her hemophiliac son fell out a window, her favorite daughter died of typhoid and she herself died of it a few weeks later.

And Victoria's son Leopold was hemophiliac and died young.

Oops, no -- Alice and her daughter died of diphtheria, not typhus.

Tsarina Alexandra died of diptheria? What via a Russian bullet?

There was poop everywhere in the 19th century, r120.

Do they show prince albert in the can?

but wait there is the Christmas episode that ties up so much.

Do they show Vickie gleefully hopping on Al's todger @ every opportunity?

That short, stout little bitch was positively dickmatized by Coburg cock.

She STAYED pregnant!

I would hop on Tom Hughes' todger every chance I got.

Watching David Oakes as Ernest taking a bath was hot. I love his man boobs. Not saggy but just right for sucking and playing with.

R125 Tom Hughes is a very good looking guy. Sadly he's straight in real life and dating his co-star Jenna Colemam who plays Victoria.

I agree, r105.

[quote]I wish they would occasionally mention the year. I keep having to guess and look-up whatever I can from the episode.[/quote]

This show plays fast and loose with history. Things are happening out of order and the ages of everyone are off. Diana Rigg's character is 20 years younger in real life. And don't get me started on the gay couple...

Not to mention that the real Lord M was a sadist who whipped orphan girls.

It cuts loose a bit from history, but not too much. Victoria was relatively progressive as a young queen in particular because she supported her husband who was progressive. When he died, she changed quite a bit. But she really was remarkable free (within her bubble) of the prejudices of her day both class and race, all her life. I've enjoyed it more and more.

She was no me!

I finally watched the episode this morning. I thought if they're going to have a gay romance, why can't they at least have some happiness that doesn't end in the death of one of them?

[quote] I thought if they're going to have a gay romance, why can't they at least have some happiness that doesn't end in the death of one of them?

Because gay men just did not live happily ever after very often in 1842.

R133 - I didn't say "happily ever after," I said "some happiness" - you know, like something that doesn't end in death.

r132, what possible outcome could they have had that would be happy in 1842?

R135 - how about not dying (since the real Drummond was about 60 when he got shot)?

R129 I thought that was gladstone...am I mistaken?

I got so pissed off when I heard they killed off Drummond that I didn't even watch the last episode.

That'll show 'em!

I didn't watch it, either, R138. Was it the [italic]last[/italic] last episode?

R140 Of the season, yes. There was a Christmas special too though.

Does anyone else have trouble paying attention to this show? Some of the men are hot but I tend to spend time on my phone when it's on. It's like a soap set 160 years ago. And Ernest has a very unfortunate voice, despite being the best looking one. With the exception of Bowles, Rigg and Sewell, most of the actors seem under-rehearsed.

Still, if anyone can link shots or clips of Ernest in the bath, that would be great.

Christmas Special is on this weekend. I hope they run it as the one piece that it was shown in the UK. Or at least in two consecutive slots.

It is a amazing and satisfying tying up of so many plot threads.

Loved it.

Isn't his name "Ernst"?

It is scheduled for 9-10:30 Sunday night, R143. It is called "Comfort and Joy."

Just hold on to your emeralds...

R142 - the best I could come up with is a shot from the scene by the lake

Thanks, r147.

r133 And what's changed in 176 years?

BUMP

And now on to Season 3!!!

R151 Without any gays, just like the bigots want.

r152, are you familiar with this thing called history?

***SPOILER***

I think Albert’s swim in the season finale maybe a set-up for his personal finale in Season 3. Does anyone know if there was any historical accuracy to it? Thanks.

King Leopold spent an awful lot of time in England. Doesn't he have be in Belgium, ruling that country? And there is no mention of Leopold's second wife, Louise of Orleans, or of their three children.

I don't pay much attention to Victoria, but last night's closing ceremony for the Olympics was so dull (for me) that I switched over to PBS for Victoria. I had no idea the program took so many liberties with historical accuracy. The link below to a RadioTimes article is eye-opening. Do the Brits approve of re-writing history?

I so thrilled now they have Lord Alfred's true love (male and gorgeous) dead and buried that he's now engaged to that fat heifer, Miss Wilhelmina Coke.

^^^I'm^^^

This show gets more and more like a sugary valentine all the time. I'm glad soon they will have to face the fact that Victoria got FAT at about this time.

She ends up having 9 children. She must have been pregnant almost all of the time.

[quote] I so thrilled now they have Lord Alfred's true love (male and gorgeous) dead and buried that he's now engaged to that fat heifer, Miss Wilhelmina Coke

Not sure how historically accurate this part of the story is but in reality in those days it would be considered his best recourse to marry well and have a family. People had love on the side.

I thought it was great, the way she gave him that locket with the hair in it. "Surpassing the love of women..."

WIlhemina, an early fag hag!!

[quote] think Albert’s swim in the season finale maybe a set-up for his personal finale in Season 3.

He probably died of Crohn's disease, which was an unknown condition at the time.

I'd like to know if the story about the little African girl is a true one?

R164, Apparently based on fact according to an interview Daisy Goodwin gave recently.

R163, there have to be 8 or 9 children born before Albert's demise.

R164 The story of the African Girl Sarah Forbes Bonetta was 'sort of' true, but ended quite tragically.

[quote] Not sure how historically accurate this part of the story is

Not at all.

There is practically nothing to indicate Lord Alfred Paget was gay in the historical record, and even if he were, he certainly did not have an affair with Edward Drummond, who in real life was 24 years older than he was. (There is also nothing in the historical record to indicate Drummond was gay either.)

[quote] there have to be 8 or 9 children born before Albert's demise.

Nine:

1) Victoria ("Vicky"), the Princess Royal

2) Albert Edward ("Bertie"), the Prince of Wales, who later ruled as Edward VII

3) Alice, later Grand Duchess of Hesse

4) Alfred ("Affie"), later Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (and Duke of Edinburgh)

5) Helena ("Lenchen"), later the Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein

6) Louise, later Duchess of Argyll

7) Arthur, later Duke of Connaught

8) Leopold, later Duke of Albany

9) Beatrice ("Baby"), later the Princess Henry of Battenberg

Unusually, all of Victoria and Albert's children lived to adulthood and also to be married. This was almost unheard of for a family that big in the nineteenth century, even with the best doctors.

So why did Bucky Skerrit's uncle leave her all those slaves, but no real estate? What did those slaves do all day long? Bucky was the sole heir, so it's not as if her uncle bequeathed a plantation or business to someone else. The only property he had was 20 slaves?

The lawyer said he was a slave trader, not a plantation owner. Perhaps he'd just bought those slaves off a ship that had just come in with the intention of selling them further inland to plantations, but died before he could accomplish that. And the reason there was nothing else was because all his assets were tied up with the slaves.

I 💟 Dash !

Catherine Steadman who played Mrs Forbes usually plays dark haired characters. When her hair is blonde, she reminds me of really reminds me of a young Jenny Agutter

And she reminds me to remind myself of .....I forgot

Victoria was on good terms with her mother after she popped out her first baby. She wouldn't have been angry that Albert invited her mother.

Sarah never lived in the palace. She always lived with the Forbes' when she was in England.

Ernst would have had those spots on his hands. He'd have had to wear gloves everywhere.

So will there be a third season or is this it? I haven't watched the Xmas episode yet.

Yes, there will be a third season.

Hard to believe the Duke of Cumberland/King of Hanover once looked like this

Oh yes Peter Firth has aged horribly. And what a hot little blonde twink he was in the original Equus.

[quote] I 💟 Dash !

Dash is DEAD!

And Maggie the Cat is alive... ALIVE!!!

😻 There's a cat ?

Ernest married two years before his father died. He supposedly had 3 illegitimate children, but none with his wife. He fucked around and after 17 years, he basically dumped his wife, like his mother was dumped by his father.

The entire season was pretty drab and predictable but that finale was unadulterated claptrap.

Oh, lord, how I love unadulterated claptrap, r182.

[bold]Victoria season 3 is officially happening at ITV, with new cast members revealed[/bold]

[quote]Victoria is preparing to return for its third season, as ITV has announced that filming has just begun on a new run of the royal drama. Jenna Coleman and Tom Hughes are set to return as the young royal couple, while we're also getting some new additions to the cast in the shape of Laurence Fox and Kate Fleetwood.

[quote]Announcing the news on Victoria Day, the anniversary of Queen Victoria's birthday, ITV has also confirmed that Lewis star Fox will play "charismatic and wayward" Foreign Secretary Lord Palmerston. Meanwhile, Tony and Olivier Award nominee Fleetwood will play Victoria's "mysterious" sister Feodora, who unexpectedly comes back into the Queen's life.

[quote]There will also be several more additions to the cast, with actor and comedian John Sessions set to play Prime Minister John Russell. Kingsman: The Secret Circle and Doctor Who star Lily Travers will play the Duchess of Monmouth, while Nicholas Audsley, The Mummy's David Burnett and Endeavour's Emily Forbes have also been cast in roles.

[quote]The new series will take us to 1848, which was a turbulent time for Europe and the monarchy and saw Victoria come under pressure from the government to leave London for her own safety.

Another season of gross historical inaccuracy and the superimposition of contemporary morals on Victorian times.

Ok, let's review who's been canned since the show started

Nancy

Possibly Ben Kingsley's son

Robert Peel

Prince Ernst

The Irish assistant to Nancy

The woman who preceded Nancy as the Queen's dresser

The DutCHESS who loved Ernst

The DutCHESS played by Diana Rigg

Miss Coke

The hot young gay guy who got shot

Lord M

Nancy's cousin with the baby

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Tell me who I've left out

Additions to the cast

Laurence Fox, chewing the scenery

Some guy who's the Prime Minister

Another dutCHESS a blah-ly pretty blonde

The moustache twirling sadistic duke, who is played by a different actor, but is basically the same character as the sadistic husband of the aristo lady who was fucking Mr Selfridge

Sharp faced Feodora, who should also be twirling a moustache

The footman who's supposed to be hunky but does nothing for me.

Mr Cole, the co producer of the Great Exposition, who inexplicably has a North American accent

The plain, tired looking woman (I'm being kind) who took Nancy's place as the Queen's dresser, as if Victoria would have a chartist in the palace

The British version of Mason Reese who plays Bertie

Oh, in the "cast members lost" post, I should have included Mr Penge's wig. (IRL Mr Penge is anti-Trump and anti-Brexit. I don't know how I came across his Twitter, but I did see it)

Feodora's daughter Heidi, who will probably never be seen again.

Vicky, the boring daughter of Victoria & Albert, who will marry in the future and produce Kaiser Wilhelm

Who have I left out?

Like the Tudors, Victoria is full of inaccuracies and characters that suddenly disappear with new ones coming in to replace them. BUT, I've enjoyed both because I approach them as some fact mixed with lots of fiction. And, I think the hunky footman is hot.

It seems Coleman is imitating the cleaned up short audio of the real Queen Victoria. She stops after every few words, just like on the recording...but the recording is degraded. You can’t tell if the queen actually stopped every few words or not.

I do not like the cliffhanger ending.

Have they okayed a fourth season?

He’s not going to die yet. The great exposition was 1851 and Albert died 10 years later, after heading up to oxford to upbraid Bertie for fucking an actress.

You can’t blame Albert for freaking out about Bertie. Albert’s brother had syphilis and apparently passed it onto his wife, making her incapable of having children. Albert didn’t want Bertie catching the clap and marrying someone and either making his wife infertile or birthing children with congenital syphilis. Imagine Bertie producing a child that looked like this and was heir to the British throne

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