FTM sex

This thread is useless without pictures.

This. Never. Happened.

Staaahp!

It's only two days into 2018 and this shit already. Fucking hell.

Just stop already.

FF this fool.

Get lost, breeder.

The male hormones they take makes them "dry" and fragile down there, which makes sex a painful experience (unless lots and lots of lube is involved).

I call bullshit on OP's little story.

OP.....YOU ARE INDEED A MORON.......Its a woman......and it didnt have a vagina and a very small dick you fool....that was her clit.

0/100

hooray this means you’re not transphobic!

The hormones enlarge the clit significantly so it looks like a small penis (I've seen photos)

I'm sure there is porn out there with an FTM fucking someone with one of the reconstructed jobs as there are several sites where gay (?) guys fuck FTMs

OP, you may well be bi or very fluid.

If you enjoyed the experience, good for you.

I respect transgender people but I have no interest in fucking one, and that doesn't make me transphobic any more than not wanting to have sex with a woman makes me misogynistic.

Although the strangest porn I've ever seen was one where a FTM got fucked by a MTF. They'd both had top surgery but not bottom.

It was like watching an alternate universe.

I thought I was a Kinsey 6, but I'd love a session with Buck Angel.

Ew.

FF, Disgusting.

gross. It's fine if you are bi, but I am a gay man and am not interested in a frankenstein, even if it looks male at first. I don't like tiny penises on actual men, why would I want a pretend one?

I can understand why bottoms would have zero interest in an FTM

[quote]hooray this means you’re not transphobic! And it also means you're disgusting as fuck!

tranny propaganda

No F2M trannie has a penis of any sort. The most they can have is an enlarged clitoris unsheathed through surgery and male hormones. And it does not ejaculate.

Ewwww. No Gurl !!! I want the pole not the hole !

For tops however, it's just one more hole to stick our dicks in.

Which is why bottoms react so negatively.

(Though still can't wrap my head around why, if you're already a chick and you like dick, you'd want to become a guy and try and get gay dick. Seems unnecessarily complicated. And I know that there will be several of you pointing that that as a sign that it's a mental illness)

No way

[22] You make it sound like FTM go through hormones just to score some dick. I think that's way less likely than MTF trying to get pussy by saying they're women. They just wanted to be men and happened to also be attracted to men.

Lol how fugly and hard up for dick do you have to be to trick with a tranny??? #mess

Has anyone ever watched FTM porn, why is all of it so rough and degrading?

R22 BS. Bottoms and tops are equally gay, aka attracted to males ONLY.

If you are hooking up with women, you are NOT gay.

OP - I met a guy who was ftm on a hookup site and had a similar experience. I alter about it on another thread a while back.

I’m a top when it comes to fucking - but also love to suck dick. But after I got talking to him - I thought - why not?

He looked like a really hot, alternative-twink -muscle, tattoos & piercings. And I kinda thought the perversity of it was hot. I was a little nervous I might not be able to perform - but was willing to risk it and if it didn’t work out - what did I have to lose really?

Anyway - it was great! Met a couple of times to begin with. He was very sexy and passionate. Then I organised a threeway with him and another top buddy who had already told me he had fantasies of fucking an ftm boy...

I’d still be fucking him more given the opportunity - but think it’s unlikely. He turned out to also be a top flight drama queen. Nothing in his day to day life was easy - everything came with a story and drama attached. I hosestly didn’t know what was true and what was made up. He was unreliable and flaky - so i just gave up. Gather my top buddy saw him for another session and had the same experience too. It’s a pity as we both liked him a lot. My bud said that the boy had told him he was going back to being commercial as well as he couldn’t seem to deal with a regular job. So he’s probably too busy to give it away to us anymore. More’s the pity!

Anyway OP - sure that many of the responses I’ll get to this will be equally as shrill and transphobic as the ones you’ve had so far. But in spite of that - this happened. I enjoyed it a lot. And would do it again - with him. A couple of other ftm guys have turned up on that same site - but I’m not Interested as they’re a little too womanly-looking and curvy for my tastes. The guy I met looked like a younger, slightly twinkier version of the Buck Angel porn guy (and the boy I met claimed to have been in touch with Buck, with an eye to also becoming a performer - but that Buck ‘was a dick’ to him. Maybe. Or maybe it as just more drama. Who knows?)

Wish some of you here wouldn’t be quite as nasty in your treatment and comments about trans-folk. We are all humans. No one is forcing you to have sex with anyone you’re not interested in. And as gay men, many of us have had it tough with bullying and community disapproval of us in the past - so why do you feel it so necessary to be so mean to these people now? Why do you wanna heap shit on people who don’t conform to your world views and ways of thinking? Some compassion please!

^^ sorry - typo in first paragraph - should say ‘I wrote about it in another thread...’ not ‘I altered...’ sorry!

R28 R29 'as gay men many of us...'

And that's the problem. For fucks sake you are not a gay man, so let's drop this Orwellian nonsense. There is literally nothing more heterosexual than a pussy and a dick in bed.

We all make fun of delusional men hooking up with trannies or ladyboys while clinging to their heterosexuality. This is no different.

Anybody who doesn't inform a potential partner of their trans status is a selfish, rapey, non-consensual creep.

And furthermore, it doesn't matter if I was INITIALLY attracted to you, if you have some trait that was not immediately evident, be it bad breath, belly fat or a gaping vagina, then I reserve the right to TERMINATE the encounter with no explanation given. A turn off is a turn-off.

R22 for one reason, straight guys have sex in a different way. Being a FTM doesn't mean you are an exclusive bottom. Hell, being an actual girl doesn't mean you don't want to top a guy, even if you need a strap-on penis to do that.

OP clears cookies, is a DISGUSTING TROLL

r28 you paint the person as an unreliable flake drama queen. So why would you want to fuck it again. Completely incoherent post. TROLL TROLL TROLL

R34 -

R28 here!

I don’t understand why you feel there’s a disconnect.

I had a few extraordinarily good sexual encounters with the ftm boy. He’s awesome as what he does. Sexy, great looking, passionate - it was fantastic! Of course I wanna do it again - be nuts not to!

And yeah - he’s a drama queen and can be flakey. This became apparent in pillow talk and in later texts we exchanged. He’s not a bad person at all. Just needlessly dramatic and a bit self centred. I’ve had other fuckbuddies who were similarly inclined. Some I preserved with for a while - because they were hot and the sex was great! I dont want to have a full-on relationship with him. Just occasionally fuck him.

Is that so hard to understand?

R35 Is it so hard to understand that if you are hooking up with a woman, you are not gay? Is it really?

R32 has the right mindset

LOL! R36 -

R35 etc here again.

You really see the world in very narrow terms don’t you? Everything has to be perfectly and precisely with your prescribed boundaries of what you think constitutes a person’s sexuality...

So: I’m 56. I m a top when it comes to fucking. Also like to kiss, suck dick, eat arse, and play with arse as well as fuck it. I also like threeways and group meets. I’ve been having sex with men since I was in my late teens. I have several regular fuckbuddies - some of whom I’ve been seeing for well over a decade. I’m quite promiscuous. I love sex. And I’ve had sex with LOTS of men.

All this time, I’ve never had sex with a woman, or any interest in having sex with a woman. I’m not sexually attracted to women. I like the shape and lines and feel of men.

So now, because I’ve had sex with a young ftm man, who was built along male lines and looked just like a hot young guy - except he didn’t have a dick - I’m somehow not gay anymore?

(As an aside: he did have a clit that was really enlarged because of all the testosterone treatments. it looked like various guys I’ve met over the years who had micro penises!)

Newsflash: I’m not looking for women to have sex with since I’ve had sex with this ftm boy. I’m still having sex with men. And I’m not getting in any way aroused by the thought of having sex with women.

But I’m not gay anymore... according to your Worldview.

Is there even a term for me now? I’m clearly not bisexual. I’m not interested in women. But the fact I’ve had sex with hundreds (if not thousands - me bad!) of men over the last forty years now counts for nothing.

So - is it just about the penis? Is being gay just all about the penis? Is that what you’re trying to say?

What would happen if I met a hot guy - who’d been in an accident say - and had lost his penis - and it had essentially been replaced with a small orifice or something. If he had no actual dick - but still looked like a man! - would I still be gay if I had sex with him? If I fucked that orifice where his dick had been rather than his asshole - would that mean I wasn’t gay anymore? But I would be considered gay if I only fucked his ass? Or not - because he didn’t have a dick?

And what if it was a hot guy - who - like a few I have met over the years - had a micropenis? Some of those dicks were smaller than the ftm boys clit. But they were still penises - right? So I can fuck them up the ass and still not hafta turn in my gay card to you? Or are their marginal dicks enough to cause you to have doubt about my orientation as well?

I’m just really confused by your rigididlty over it all. But that’s your problem. Not mine. Whatever. And I’ll just keep referring to myself as gay - cos I am pretty fucking gay from where I’m sitting! - and if that all makes your head wanna explode - well then - bye Felicia!

A 56 year old saying bye felicia? Gross no matter who you fuck.

Lol! Using terminology that’s been cited a lot here on DL - it’s where I heard it used first time - and thought it’d be appropriate in this context. But guess there’s just no pleasing some in this thread...

Bye Felicia has a long history but the most recent best use of it was by Robin Roberts to convey her feelings on the White House departure of Omarosa.

r38 = secret tranny pretending to be a gay man

Yes R38, you are bisexual. Bisexuals are attracted to two genders. You are into men at birth as well as transmen, that's two (bi) genders.

This is what both millennials and transgenders are defining sexuality as now.

So I guess you could say you are gay but not homosexual.

I don't care what you all say, I thought it was wonderful. I'm gay and I like dick, but, a little wild is nice.

Congrats on being disgusting and having extremely flexible standards I guess

This thread gives me the major heebie-jeebies.

I hate hate HATE it!

I'm bi and I like pretty pussy. Good pussy is better than good ass for me. But I am emotionally attracted to men and no one ever mentions that on DL. It's like being gay is only a sex act or body attraction? Just not true for most men. OP sounds very sexual and adventurous but to reach his age and not be much interested in emotional gratification with anyone male OR female is psychologically problematic. He is bisexual of course. Afraid of something but who cares.

So is there a concern regarding pregnancy in this situation ? I mean the mammaries are gone but the bread factory is intact right ?

[quote]So I guess you could say you are gay but not homosexual.

Thanks, you just reminded me to speak from my diaphragm so I don't embarrass anyone again.

R38 R49 Gay is synonymous with homosexual. Homosexual is the state of being exclusively attracted to the same sex. You are pushing 60, so I suggest you start learning that words have meanings.

I don't care how old or delusional you are. There are no vaginas in gay male love/sex and there are no penises in lesbian love/sex. Newspeak will always crumble in the face of the truth.

Sorry, but if there's no 100% REAL 3 piece suite attached I want nothing to do with it sexually.

What kind of homo would find fucking a loose vagina attached to someone who looked like a sexy man, hot?

R38/R49 here again -

Thanks so much R43 and R50!

I’m gonna tell my elderly father this weekend - as well as all my friends! - that I’m not actually gay after all! I’m bisexual!

Of course - I’m not gonna seek out actual women to have sex with. Ever. Imagine it’ll be pretty much exclusively men - like it has been up until now. But hey - I’m not gay! I’m bisexual!!

Now I’m gonna go find some of the many, many threads we’ve had here in the past that pillory bisexuality as nonsense and where many DLers insist there’s no such thing - and that these ‘bisexual’ men are actually gay! I shall explain that’s not the case at all as I am - according to the couple of vitriolic anti trans trolls here! - BISEXUAL.

I hope you’ll join me and defend me when the other DL sexuality experts there insist there’s no such thing and that I’m just Gay! Gay! Gay! And in denial...?

It all gets so confusing.

If he's only slept with men and only slept with one FTM then how is he not gay? You might not think of FTM as "real men" and sure, they're kind of not, but they're still male presenting and honestly, I've met a few trans men who NEvER seemed like women even before they came out. I don't trust someone who just calls themselves Sally or Richard and expects us to bow down to their gender choice even though they make no effort to seem like the gender they say they are, but I genuinely believe some people are more male or female than their sex suggests and I can understand how someone who is gay may fall for a FTM.

When did he say the vag was "loose" R52?

Lots of hissing queens up in here who clearly feel threatened that ONE gay man tried vag and liked it.

I want this tiny fraction of men who fuck "trans men" to end up on the hook for 18 years of child support.

It will be the ultimate confirmation that they are indeed engaging in heterosexual sex.

R54 Because it's not a matter of having sex with one trans"man" (read: woman), it's about actually enjoying it and looking forward to it. That's bisexuality, regardless if it's male-leaning bisexuality.

R55 "ONE gay man tried vag and liked it". Do you even read what you type?

R52 and R55 -

R53 here (again!)

On the subject of vag:

It was an interesting feeling. Not what I imagined.

As you know, I’m now officially a bisexual man - but one who only ever fucked men’s asses until this ftm experience.

As I’ve said - Ive fucked a lot of ass. And I do love them so! I always find the variation ins men’s holes fascinating. From the so tight you can barely get in, to the kind of ass that is much looser and feels like there’s room for another buddy to go in for the ride with you.

And I love the way some really dedicated bottom guys have awesome muscle control and can manipulate their sphincter and ass muscles to make it feel like they’re taking control of the fuck and milking your cock! Feels so great! Totally active bottoms who fuck back!

...and that’s what the ftm boy was like. He presented as male remember - an attractive, slightly muscular, tattooed and slightly hairy, geeky twink hipster boy - but with a vag. And it was like an ass with great sphincter control. Wasn’t loose or commodious at all (which I was surprised by) - and it was squeezing and manipulating and milking my cock like there was no tomorrow.

Frankly, had many more men’s assholes that were looser in which I had problems cumming because of the lack of friction.

Alas, I don’t have experience with any other vaginas to compare it to. And doubt I ever will unless I see this flakey boy again. But it really wasn’t what I as expecting (and how great now I will have something in common to talk to my straight buddies about now that I’m finally out about being bi!)

I had a ftm that I met online hide that they were trans for months. When I finally met up with them in person I could tell right away that he was biologically a woman and had been shopping the photos he sent. When I said I wasn't interested anymore I got called a bigot. Fun times.

R58 if you enjoyed the smell, the taste and the way that pussy looked, and the feeling inside of it, then you are bisexual, gays do not enjoy enjoy none of that, whether you actually pursue girls for sex or not that is irrelevant and circumstantial, you might as well start exploring that freaky side of you, if you liked it with one you will also with more. Anyways, you are a shame to the gays, go with the bisexuals, we don't want you.

R58 Good, you've finally accepted your actual sexual orientation.

Why are some of you so determined to label everyone? What does it matter?

I'd definitely be open to trying it to see what it felt like, if for no other reason than to say I had. If that makes me a bisexual in some of your opinions, more power to you

"If you don't like my [non-]penis, you're a bigot!" -typical FTM tranny

I know R62 - so fucking silly!

And yet on the thread about the married porn star - Aspen Solomon - there are still many insisting that there’s no such thing as bisexuality...he loves cock up his butt too much! He’s just in denial...

So just nod and agree and tell them what they wanna hear so they can sleep easy knowing that all is right in their worlds. It saves you a great deal of grief.

Personally, as I get older - I like the older still- pre twentieth century! - idea that homosexual described the act rather than the individual. It doesn’t work seamlessly - lots of us are happy to think of themselves as majorly or primarily gay or bi or straight - but we acknowledge that under certain circumstances we might happily commit the odd act that doesn’t quite align with that particular labeling. It’s no biggie. It doesn’t much alter the course of things. Feel free to think of yourself however you want to really...

I dont consider myself a drinker. Rarely drink alcohol. Have never craved it when I’m by myself. Have never been really drunk either. But every once in a blue moon if I’m with good friends and having a great time - and there’s a cocktail or some good wine on offer - sure! I’ll have a glass or two. Three if I’m not driving! Because I don’t drink much - I get pleasantly buzzed pretty quickly. But never feel the need to go further. And still don’t think of myself as a drinker. Obviously I’m deluding myself about that too.

Will quite happily have two - or more! - desserts however. And do think of myself as a glutton . Under no illusions there :(

For a metaphor you can understand, R64 ...

Water is not vodka. They can look identical, but they're not the same.

Fucking an FTM transexual with your dick is heterosexual sex. A double mastectomy and testosterone supplements do not make a man. If you like heterosexual sex, good for you. Good for everyone! We wouldn't be alive without it. But, it ain't gay sex.

[quote]Why are some of you so determined to label everyone? What does it matter?

Because the one-off sexual experience of a person they don't know and will never meet scares and threatens them in some way.

R62 R64 R66 Words have definitions and it is particularly important for minorities to have language that reflects who they are. You can't wake up one day and start calling trees airplanes and expect everyone to go along with it because "what does it matter? :)" If words are so fluid and irrelevant to you, then what's the problem with calling yourselves bisexual? Are we (actual gay people) the ones who feel "threatened", or is it the people who would rather indulge in make-believe that gay men can like women and lash out when confronted with reality?

If you are interested in women, no matter how circumstantial that interest is, then you are not gay. How difficult is this to understand? What kind of postmodernist juice have you been drinking?

I can "identify" anything I want, and I can act in any way I choose (as long as it's legal) without consulting you. Why don't YOU get that, R67.

^identify as

R68 R69 You can call yourself the richest human being who ever existed. See how far that gets you.

Contrary to your utterly flawed perception of what it means to be gay, gay people don't "identify" as gay: we ARE gay, i.e. homosexual, i.e. exclusively attracted to our same sex. Unlike you.

The FTM fucker upthread is not attracted to women, R70. That person would never have ended up in his bed at all if he looked like one.

R71 Sorry if the sheer reality that men do not have vaginas messes with your head.

Bisexuality is bisexuality, doesn't matter if it's female- or male-leaning. There are no vaginas in gay male love and sex, and there never will be.

I think all reasoning is out of the window with our vaginally-obsessed hardliner everyone. He’s intractable and not for turning. His way and his definitions are it. There’s no argument. So ok R72 - we give in! You’re the man! Everything you say is gospel...blah blah blah.

For the rest of us -

We aren’t calling vodka water. And not calling trees aeroplanes.

But I do think it’s possible for a predominately homosexual male or female to take part in the odd heterosexual act without it altering their primary inclination. Can think of dozens of reasons why this might happen as well - and none of them that necessarily alter the individuals main orientation.

And what of men in prison who see themselves as straight - but allow themselves to get involved in ‘situational homosexuality’ - to get their rocks off? Theyrevert to heterosexual when they get out and woman are available to them once again. So they’re bisexual too? Except to the people who refuse to believe bisexuality exists and are convinced they are just gay and in denial...

Human sexuality isn’t just black and white. There’s a lot of shades of grey. And sometimes there are circumstances that mean someone who is primarily one thing - may do something else. But it doesn’t alter their course. One can bandy semantics from now until christmastime - and it won’t change that.

[quote] We aren’t calling vodka water. And not calling trees aeroplanes.

If a male inserts his male sex organ (aka penis) into a female's sex organ (aka vagina,) they are having heterosexual sex.

As per the title of this thread "FTM sex" between a male and a "trans man" is heterosexual sex. If that's what you want, go for it. If the FTM is over 18, get your freak on and make sure you don't get her pregnant.

What gays and lesbians won't put up with is the idea that "male" and "female" are arbitrary LABELS. Gay liberation destroyed the idea that you could tell a gay man he should try sex with a woman, or tell a lesbian that she should experience getting fucked by a real dick.

You're wasting your time here trying to convert homosexuals.

[quote]Gay liberation destroyed the idea that you could tell a gay man he should try sex with a woman, or tell a lesbian that she should experience getting fucked by a real dick.

Ah ha! Thank you. Finally we get to the crux of our obsessed Gold Star Gay's agenda. R74 is afraid that because ONE gay man stuck his dick in a FTM, all of his hard won gay rights will be taken away.

Gay men have been sticking their dicks in pussies since the beginning of time. Nothing shocking or to be afraid of.

But, R75, no one is buying that "FTM sex" is somehow gay sex, because it's like a "young dude with a pussy." Trans harassment of gay men and lesbians is homophobic.

I hope someone is getting paid for this online marketing campaign for trans men (aka females) because it must be hard work trying to sell pussy to gay men. Vagina is something gay men neither need nor want as there is no shortage of hot sexy real men.

this made me wet.

R75 Ah, so you are that kind of bisexual: the ones absolutely obsessed with gay people who are gold stars, those evil puritanical bastards!

Honestly, it's just hilarious that you equate "There is nothing gay about liking pussy" to "Evil gold star gatekeepers!!" Really shows how bizarre your thought process is.

ALL vaginas are loose. No matter what kind of body they're attached to.

[quote]Honestly, it's just hilarious that you equate "There is nothing gay about liking pussy" to "Evil gold star gatekeepers!!" Really shows how bizarre your thought process is.

You really show how bizarre YOUR thought process is and how self loathing you are that you believe you're "evil". Because no one said that (or even implied it).......but you.

[quote] Human sexuality isn’t just black and white. There’s a lot of shades of grey.

Except on DL where there are countless threads devoted to classifying the sexuality of porn stars, celebrities and now the OP of this thread.

Gay men want dick. Not a pussy on a woman with her tits lopped off. It's not rocket science.

R80 Oh really? Then explain to me how gold star gays figure in this discussion? It's obvious you simply needed to conjure a boogeyman to justify yourself.

So R70 -

I find myself more confused than ever after reading the thread about Rick Donovan - the big-dicked pornstar from back in the day,...

Apparently, although he was a gay porn star, the gossip was that he liked trans women. But he liked them to still have cocks...

So if he was into chicks-with-dicks - does that mean he’s gay because he likes cocks? Or does it have something to do with whether or not he fucked them - or they fucked him?

Or if he liked mtf gals that we’re big breasted and womanly in every other manner - then does that mean he was bi?

But is there such a thing as being bi really? - or is that just gay men who are in denial (as has been claimed on many, many other threads here over the years!)

I’m in over my head here - and I’m sure I’m not the only one who’d be grateful if you could clarify all this for us. Help!

Gold Star refuses to explain the hypocrisy of vehemently insisting OP must be Bi, but that any celeb who claims to be bi is lying because they are really gay.

R95 - I’m perfectly ok with Gold Star having his opinions - and rationally arguing and debating the issue with us all. But I just can’t deal with the vehemence that he is the only one who can be right.

His rabid carrying on and inability to deal with anything other than his black and white view of the world borders on the unhinged. Its like it is some vitally important political and/or philosophical issue upon which the fate of the free world depends. And It’s got such a nasty edge to it. Misogynistic too?

He must be a blast at dinner parties!

Any amateur DL psychologists care to muse upon exactly what type of personality disorder is involved here?

R54 You are on to something here. Every time I meet a person who is leaning heavily towards one sex but happily have a partner of the opposite one, there is something transgender about that partner. They might not be out, they might not even identify as a transgender, but the vibe is there. I knew a supposedly gay guy who ended up having a passionate affair with a girl. She was conventionally pretty but there was something very unfeminine about her. Couldn't put my finger on it. But it was like in one of those movies, I just felt like saying, hey were you a dude in your previous life?

R85 R86 "black and white view of the world"

'black and white view of the world' = saying a male and a female together constitutes heterosexual sex.

'black and white view of the world' = saying gay men are under no circumstances attracted to females.

'black and white view of the world' = saying that if you're attracted to males and females you're bi and not gay.

"but that any celeb who claims to be bi is lying because they are really gay."

Yawn, more anti-gold star strawmanning and hysterics. You're getting repetitive here.

R88 Why would a gay man be attracted to a female? Although I always thought all those married gays had to be a little bit bisexual. I mean, how do you have regular hot passionate sex with a woman if you aren't? She's bound to notice you aren't into it if you struggle to keep it up thinking about some sexy guys.

R89 "Why would a gay man be attracted to a female?"

Beats me. Our friend here doesn't believe gay people, homosexual people, actually exist. His sexual orientation is apparently an amorphous, bisexual gray blob, so everyone else must be the same way!

[quote] 'black and white view of the world' = saying a male and a female together constitutes heterosexual sex.

And by "black and white" you must mean, biologically factual and true in every way.

Women don't inseminate men, and men don't give birth. Reproductive sex involving a penis and a vagina is heterosexual. Period.

[quote]Our friend here doesn't believe gay people, homosexual people, actually exist. His sexual orientation is apparently an amorphous, bisexual gray blob, so everyone else must be the same way!

Wow, you've really veered WAY off the road, kook.

Still waiting on Gold Star’s definitive take on the Rick Donovan sexuality classification issue...

I wish I could find a copy of that really old joke to cut and paste -

The one where the guy tells of all the jobs and stuff he’s done - and after recounting each thing, the next line is (for example) ‘Do they call me Pierre the sailor?” - so it’s line after line of stuff like ‘I built a bridge across the river Limpopo- but do they call me Pierre the Bridge Builder?’ - etc.

It ends with the punchline (after a long list of the things they don’t call him):

“But suck one little cock...”

I feel like Pierre the Cocksucker. Only in my case I’d llist a lifetime of various sexual escapades with men - and my punchline would be ‘but fuck one little cunt...’

(I noticed on a quick google that the punchline is also often given as “but fuck one little goat...”)

How one describes Pierre differs according to whether one is the classifier or "classifieree". They are both right as their own take is all that is of importance to them personally.

R91 Did you miss the sarcasm?

R92 Oh have I? Even though I'm simply repeating everything that has been coming my way from our proud Citizen of the Orwellian Republic of Oceania, where everything is gray and men can be attracted to women and be gay at the same time?

R93 Who? Anyway, one more time: if a man is attracted to women, no matter how circumstantial that attraction is ("she looks like a guy"), he is not gay. Bisexuality does not have to be 50/50.

So R96, are you claiming that only Gold Star Gays can be classified as gay?

R97 What part of "attracted to" is so difficult to understand? Where have I said "had sex with"? What's up with this obsession with gold stars?

R97- suspect it’ll be the platinum star gays eventually that are only acceptable -

That is, the gays who were born via Caesarian - so have therefore never touched a vagina in their lives...

Gold Star says:

[quote]Gay liberation destroyed the idea that you could tell a gay man he should try sex with a woman, or tell a lesbian that she should experience getting fucked by a real dick.

He's out and proud, God damn it. And NO ONE is going to tell HIM what kind of sex he should have. Only problem is---no one here did. Yet, he keeps vomiting HIS strict rules for everyone else: NO GAY MAN SHALL TOUCH PUSSY. NOT EVEN ONCE----EVAH!

So... Gold Star:

I’ve known some guys over the years - top guys - who liked to fuck Gay bottom guys. They didn’t interact much otherwise - and the cock of the bottom wasn’t important at all - since they never touched it - let alone suck it or anything like that.

So if cock is irrelevant - are those tops still fully gay? They don’t seem to be interested in cock at all. And that seemed to be one of your criteria...

Also: a fuckbud of mine - blue collar tradesman type. Don’t have a clue about his life outside my bedroom - but kind of assume there might be a wife or girlfriend there...

When he drops by - I just suck his cock. He doesn’t do anything for me or touch me or anything- just loves me milking his load out of gis cock - while he watches straight porn preferably. Once again - confusion here! Think he fucks women if he can get them - but likes copping primo head from a gay guy - while he doesn’t touch the gay or reciprocate - but Ikes to be blown while the straight porn is playing... is he still bi if he’s not into dick at all?

And if my ftm buddy blew him - would that make him straight? I mean - ftm boy looks male - but no dick! - so if he sucked my tradesman buddy - surely that would mean the tradesman buddy was straight then?

Please clarify! It’s so much to take in...

(Ps: and don’t fret anyone - I LOVE sucking dick - and even tho he doesn’t reciprocate - I get a lot out of looking after him. But no homo! At most I’m bisexual now. OK?)

R101 In my experience a lot of people don't like to reciprocate unless they have strong lust/passion for their partner of whatever gender. Basically they want to be sexually serviced. For example, a straight man wants to fuck a pussy and receive blow jobs but he doesn't want to provide oral sex unless he is in love with its owner, that doesn't make him less attracted to pussy he just wants to be pleasured instead of doing the pleasuring.

Ah, grammar. I meant the owner of said pussy, of course.

Agree with R102. Well said.

Breaking news! Men are selfish, film at 11.

But R102 - i get what you’re saying - and agree! - but if that ‘straight’ guy accepts a blowjob from a gay man - then by Gold Star’s standards - he’s not straight anymore. He is now and forevermore bisexual.

But by Gold Star’s reasoning - an ftm boy - who still has a vagina - tho presents in all other aspects as male! - giving the same straight guy a blowjob - leaves the straight guy’s heterosexual tag intact.

And theoretically, if the blowjob was administered by the most feminine mtf girl you can imagine - but one who still had a dick! - then the straight guy is now forever back in bisexual world.

But if the dick has been surgically dealt with and is no longer there - then straight guy receiving head is still straight.

So IF an ftm guy had a very enlarged, penis-like clit through hormones - or a surgically enhanced facsimile of a dick - then that would mean the guy getting head was bi again thanks to presence of peen...even if it’s only as big as a micropenis?

It’s muddled reasoning I think. Or am I missing something? Where is Gold Star to make this all right for us??

Interesting thread. I had sex with him because he looked male and I figured it would be like fucking a guy missionary style. So, I am indeed gay, like cock, but I found this experience wonderful. When I fucked him, I was looking at him (very traditional missionary) and I saw a man.

Would I "date" or have an ongoing relationship? I don't think so. Like I said, I like cock but once in a while, I like to "dominate" and be the total top. I'm verse but we all have things we want to try out.

R101 I'm a totally top guy and a 'gold star' gay but have not contributed to this thread before now.

Just because I’m not interested in my partner’s cock going inside me, I still want him to have one, and to have been born with it. Part of the appeal (for ME – I’m not making a generalisation for anyone else) is fucking someone not expected by society to be fucked, which may also be why I prefer masculine men. That’s just my sexual taste / preference. I have no sexual interest at all in a FTM, no matter how ‘masculine’ they present or think they look. They don’t have that inherent, natural maleness about them.