Ed Rendell: Joe Biden Would Destroy Trump In a 2020 Presidential Race

No, he's too fuckin' old. How about getting someone born in the last 50 years.

Have they really forgotten their history? And Biden's age? God, I get so tired of stories like this.

They’d lose.

How would they lose? What blue state from 2016 is Trump holding onto? You think Pennsylvania votes for Trump over Biden? 😂

Rendell is old school Dem - I respect him but it's clear the electorate is in a new phase, and the "old" conventional wisdom is no longer applicable.

We need younger, dynamic and inclusive. And someone who has some serious blue collar credibility. The best candidate IMHO would be Sherrod Brown.

Sherrod Brown is not energetic.

So Trump is going to accuse Biden of being a molester?

He probabaly would.

So Joe Biden was preparing to feel up that little girl? You think the American people will buy that?

[quote] Sherrod Brown is not energetic.

He's not old and farty. He's a bit old school, but he'd appeal to the millworkers/car plant workers, etc. better than most others of that age.

[quote] So Trump is going to accuse Biden of being a molester?

I don't think Biden was ever a molester, or did anything illegal, but he's definitely Uncle Touchy Feely, and that makes him a liability. I wish he'd run in 2016, but he didn't, and that's that.

If we assume he's got the nom in 2020 because he didn't do it in 2016, we have the same assumed ascension we had with Hillary. Better than a field of candidates put each other through paces and get the momentum and backing of the public. Unless we get someone who can work with our Congress, though, it's all an exercise in futility.....

I agree about Brown and that Biden is much too old. Biden would appeal to some of the older blue-collar voters, but not younger voters so much.

The only problem with Brown is that he's up for re-election this year, so he would need to vacate his Senate seat if he won a Presidential election in 2020, and OH voters would need to vote in a Democrat as governor this year (a stretch IMO) to appoint his successor.

Let’s cut the crap and just start running actual corpses

The Dems could run a celebrity but please not Clooney.

The Dems still have no one. The better ones are too old and the younger ones look like slick phonies.

Having dealt with Biden when I was a lobbyist in the 80s I have never liked him. He's an ass. And a not too bright ass at that. And he's not my idea of honest. But his positions on issues were mostly good and he had great, great staff working for him in his office and in committee. With his staff's help,and cooperation we achieved some very important things.

His lack of real support of Hillary during the campaign, his games about running and his indefensible insults toward her after the election leave a terrible taste in my mouth - though none of this behavior surprised me in the least.

But in the end, if he really could beat Trump then he'd have my vote - while I held my nose.

The dangerous thing is that in 2020 Dems could probably run almost anyone and win, and God love 'em but the Democratic Party never really understands why candidates win. So, if they put up Joe "Plagiarism & Near Incest" Biden and he won, they would inevitably think it proves that candidates like him are a good idea.

It would be catastrophic.

[quote] No, he's too fuckin' old. How about getting someone born in the last 50 years.

Yes, he is too old (just my opinion), but he's the only democrat that can fight back verbally against trump. He would call out trump on his shit during a debate. He'd kick his ass. The rest of the luke warm dems might call trump on his shit but they sound like wimps doing it

To beat someone like trump the dems are going to need someone who can kick ass

No. No. No. No.

Someone really needs to stop Biden from running. Also calling Biden a "superstar" the guy has run for President before and always lost.

And I like Biden, but enough is enough. Retire.

Well, Franken could kick ass but the Dems ate him up and threw him under the bus. SMH.

[QUOTE]Having dealt with Biden when I was a lobbyist in the 80s I have never liked him. He's an ass. And a not too bright ass at that. And he's not my idea of honest.

So he’s a politician. Who’da thunkit.

R24’s video proves that Joe doesn’t get any kind of sexual thrill from hugging and touching people. Bill won’t even hug Hillary like that. 😂

Pretty sure you could make a compilation video of Biden hugging guys too.

The Republicans are willing to fight dirty and have been for years. It worked for them for Obama, since a portion of the country would believe any and everything they said about him without the GOP having to lift a finger.

It worked for Hillary, because they found her weaknesses (her slimy husband and history). That's why they focused on Benghazi, to keep weakening her in the eyes of the public.

They'd do it with Biden, too.

And while I liked Sanders well enough and did not get into the heated Hillary/Bernie debates, they would have done it to him, too. If Bernie had been nominated, he would not have easily sailed to victory. They would have made much of the fact that he wasn't a real democrat, that he was a socialist, and worked to weaken his credibility. Would it have worked as well as it did with Hillary? Probably, but it's impossible to know for sure.

How did it work for Obama when he destroyed them at the polls twice and has been the most admired man in America for 10 years in a row?

Will those mean Republicans call Joe a homosexual for hugging this guy?

What about all the times he got touchy feely with Barack and whispered in his ear? Did it give him a hardon?

Rendell sexually harrassed all his interns.

Biden = Anita Hill

Ed Rendell needs to go away. He doesn’t represent the party’s progressive base.

The party’s progressive base didn’t want Hillary Clinton. Are you a Berniebro, R35?

Biden is too old and has verbal gaffe disease.

What presidential candidate doesn’t make gaffes? Didn’t seem to hurt Trump.

Biden would have kicked Trump's ass in 2016. Biden would have won states likes Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin. It's a shame that the party didn't pressure him into running, but the Powers That Be had decided early on that the nominee had to be Hillary. But I agree that Biden will be too old in 2020. His time has come and gone. We need a younger version of Biden -- someone younger who has Biden's talent for speaking in a plain-spoken way that resonates with working-class Midwest voters. I think we're fooling ourselves if we believe that someone like Kamala Harris or Corey Booker or Kirsten Gillibrand will appeal to factory workers or farmers in Ohio and Wisconsin. 2020 should be an easy victory for the Democrats, but I'm not sure if we have anyone who is up to the task.

Biden ran for president before and couldn’t get past the primaries.

Absolutely, R2. Biden has a huge ego, almost as big as Trump's, although he's not crazy. I'm also not too happy with Gillibrand, though, after what she did to Franken. Her purity tests make her too polarizing for the job as well.

The Repigs will win just like they did the last time. They cheated and Russia helped them and NO ONE WILL DO A FUCKING THING ABOUT IT. The repigs know this already.

R28, that tweeter is far far far right. Look at his Twitter feed. I wouldn't believe any of his claims. The idea that Jeff Sessions is somehow appropriate is absurd.

Joe Biden will invade Korea if Republicans are cranky that day.

total perv, which is why he won't run

doesn't he like to kiss little girls against their will?

[quote] How did it work for Obama when he destroyed them at the polls twice and has been the most admired man in America for 10 years in a row?

Well, you have a point, R30, I didn't word that quite right.

I meant more that they did serious damage to Obama's credibility - but ONLY in the eyes of a certain demographic. (most of us know that, while O wasn't perfect in every decision, he made a lot of great moves meant to improve the US long term.)

What they learned from attacking the Obamas, though, is what they have used with HRC, Liz Warren, etc to greater success.

Franken should have fought back but I guess they threw him under the bus.

The Republicans have it all set up with a million hugging clips that Biden is a perv. And he will not appeal to the Bernie or SJW set.

He would not necessarily have won against Trump. In a dirty fight, the Dems always back down. There is also big internet-fueled and decades of inequality-fueled disgust with establishment politicians.

it is still the mentality of old white dudes running the country. they ALL need to go

i think trump will not even run again. he just wanted to stick it to obama and everyone who said he could never be president. he always gets what he wants.

N), NO and NO. Too old. Way too much baggage. Tired.

R49 white dudes build societies that are the envy of every country around the world. why do you think everyone wants in? you sound like a butthurt professional victim. daddy wasn't nice when he found out how you use your no no hole?

Yes, white dudes built America all on their own. 🙄 Go back to Stormfront.

Please go the fuck away r52.

R54 NO. truth hurts.

[quote] Biden ran for president before and couldn’t get past the primaries.

For that matter, didn't Rendell run too?

I think Oprah Winfrey would be a good candidate.

Oprah Winfrey and it will be game over for the US.

[quote]it is still the mentality of old white dudes running the country. they ALL need to go

Why? Which country or society do you have in mind that's better or more advanced than the ones founded and built by white men? Please inform us.

Democrats are so fucking stupid. Such indoctrinated bitches!

"Built" by white men is a terribly stupid turn of phrase?

Are they the ones who built it? Yeah, didn't think so.

Also we can not let the racists derail this thread?

No, she wouldn't R57. People with no background in politics are NOT FIT to be president. They won't understand it and the oval office is not the place for remediation.

And yet, look who is in there now, R62.

[QUOTE]For that matter, didn't Rendell run too?

Nah Ed never even considered running. He knew he wasn’t Presidential material. But he would’ve been perfect for White House Chief of Staff. Think he would’ve been a leading candidate for the role if Hillary made it in either 2008 or 2016.

r52 I'm older. I'm white. I'm female. I'm str8. and one is only a victim if they allow themselves to be. I am not. and read some history. it may or may not help.

Biden would do well against Trump. I do think he is probably too old, though. Sherrod Brown can be pretty compelling if you actually listen to him. He is a bit frumpy though and looks do matter unfortunately...

Trump isn't going to be around long enough to go up against Joe

Anybody who needs to be “listened to” is not a good candidate. We need someone who can get a message across with a few simple words. Someone who can tell you something without really trying. That’s what these dumbass Americans needs.

Sherrod Brown has a weird voice and seems a little strange.

And, "yet", R63? He's the ultimate proof of my comment.

I'd vote for Biden before I vote for that self promoting cunt Kirsten Gillibrand.

R69 He has a sexy voice. He's a very sexy daddy.

R71, shouldn’t you be washing out your MAGA undies?

R73, shouldn't you take your head out of your ass?

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, bitch.

[quote]He's not old and farty. He's a bit old school, but he'd appeal to the millworkers/car plant workers, etc. better than most others of that age.

The Democratic party needs to stop throwing shit at their actual base in the hopes of winning over old white men.

You know what we need? A blue-collar WOMAN to lead. It's actually the *only* solution, I've decided. We need someone blue-collar, but we NEED a woman too. It's the happy middle ground that fills everyone's needs.

[quote] The Democratic party needs to stop throwing shit at their actual base in the hopes of winning over old white men.

The evidence is in from the 2017 elections, and the verdict is clear—the constituencies that twice voted to put a black man in the White House remain the majority in this country. Democrats spent a year wailing and navel gazing as they tried to figure out how to woo Trump supporters, but it turns out that the way to win is to mobilize the New American Majority—people of color and progressive whites.

In the elections on November 7, Democrats carried the day in contests across the country. From Virginia and New Jersey to Montana to California—and myriad races in between—Democratic candidates swept to victory. What was the secret to all this success? Inspiring and mobilizing those people who are with us rather than trying to persuade those who support Trump that they made a mistake. In Virginia, 91 percent of those who approve of Trump’s performance voted Republican, but Ralph Northam nonetheless trounced his Republican opponent, Ed Gillespie. In New Jersey, 87 percent of Trump supporters stuck with the Republicans, but Democrat Phil Murphy cruised to a landslide victory.

In Virginia and New Jersey, it was the “Obama coalition” of people of color and progressive whites—what I call the New American Majority—that propelled Democrats to victory. In both of those states, the Democratic candidates for governor lost the white vote but won the election because 80 percent of people of color supported them, providing the same kind of cornerstone that Obama enjoyed.

Despite 12 months of worried think pieces, high-profile initiatives, and expensive, poll-driven campaigns designed to appeal to the white working class, the levels of support for Democrats from that constituency barely budged. In Virginia, Northam received 26 percent of the white working-class vote, as compared to the 24 percent Hillary Clinton received in 2016. It is worth noting that Northam and Murphy both received a higher percentage of the white college-educated vote than Clinton did last year, but that could just be a statistical quirk reflecting a higher number of white Democrats turning out to vote than white Republicans. If that uptick is real, it was nonetheless among college-educated whites; in other words, not from the constituency that Democrats have obsessively focused on. The ceiling with the white working class is what it is.

The ability to win without picking up significant additional support from Trump supporters lays bare the fundamental fallacy underlying most Democratic and progressive strategy—the notion that Trump won and enjoys majority support. He didn’t, and he doesn’t. What happened in 2016 was not a mass defection of Democratic voters to Trump. What happened was a dramatic decline in black voter turnout (because of voter suppression, grossly insufficient investment, and overall lack of inspiration from the all-white Democratic ticket), combined with a splintering of the Obama coalition that saw statistically significant numbers of Democratic voters defect to the third- and fourth-party candidacies of Gary Johnson and Jill Stein. Not only did Trump lose the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes; he also failed to garner a majority of the vote in the states that tipped the Electoral College vote—Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.

What does all of this mean for 2018? It means that by inspiring and investing in the core components of the Obama coalition, namely people of color and progressive whites, Democrats can capture control of the House of Representatives and replace Republican governors in key states such as Georgia, Florida, Arizona, Maryland, Illinois, Ohio, and Massachusetts.

[quote] It worked for Hillary, because they found her weaknesses (her slimy husband and history).

You mean one of the most popular presidents in history? For a while there during the impeachment circus I thought his popularity ratings were going to go over 100. LOL!

"It" worked for Hillary because of the added misogyny. Period.

Thank you, R78. Bill Clinton was a great president, someone who managed to get a lot done, DESPITE republican majorities in Congress. The Republicans spent millions on an investigation and then finally had to recommend impeachment on a ridiculous charge to slow him down.

In 2016 we heard over and over again:

Voters are tired of Washington insiders. Voters want an outsider

Hillary has baggage.

So who does Ed Rendell proclaim to be the DNC up and coming "Superstar"

A man who has spent 50+ yrs in Washington

A man with 50+ yrs of Washington insider baggage

Jo Biden is an up and coming "superstar" only to 75 yr old political insiders.

I have a great deal of respect for the Democratic elders. However, the party needs to move past many of these old stale ideas and this constant desire to resurrect the past.

“Joe Biden is our superstar.”

𝐈𝐭'𝐬 𝐇𝐄𝐑 𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐧!

This woman seems to have a clue on how to win. Rep. Bustos of Illinois. Wins in a part of Illinois that is much more like Iowa than Chicago or its' 'burbs.

[quote] When she does talk, she talks as much as she can about jobs and wages and the economy and as little as she can about guns and abortion and other socially divisive issues—which, for her, are “no-win conversations,” she explained. And at a time when members of both parties are being tugged toward their respective ideological poles, the more center-left Bustos has picked her spots to buck such partisanship. She’s a pro-choice Catholic and an advocate for limited gun control, but she has supported the Keystone pipeline and called for improvements to Barack Obama’s “imperfect” Affordable Care Act. It’s worked. She’s the only Democratic member of the Illinois’ congressional delegation from outside Chicagoland.

She's a moderate Democrat. Is that supposed to be so sort of revelation? As Republicans have continued to move further right. Democrats have moved further and further to the center. Which does nothing for progressive politics and helps feed the "both parties are the same" nonsense.

She's a moderate Democrat. Is that supposed to be some sort of revelation? As Republicans have continued to move further right. Democrats have moved further and further to the center. Which does nothing for progressive politics and helps feed the "both parties are the same" nonsense.

Whatever r84, I'll fucking take the scraps I can get. I mean holy fucking SHIT, we are at war with the Repubs! I'm SO sick of people like you shooting down our best soldiers. Shut the fuck up about Bustos you ninny!

They will not get a blue-collar man or woman because they are all millionaires.

They need at least someone who is capable of speaking non-condescendingly to blue-collar people and that has genuine policies that support them.

"progressive politics" does not mean fighting for the working class like in the 1930s. It means sharia and transing kids now - not really progressive.

[QUOTE]They need at least someone who is capable of speaking non-condescendingly to blue-collar people and that has genuine policies that support them.

Sounds like Joe to me. That’s when Rendell likes him over these Senate losers like Kamala Harris. He knows Joe can sit down and have a conversation with anyone. That’s ALL it takes really. That’s what made Bill so good.

R86, I agree with you but only to a point. People ARE sick and tired, and people WILL vote in outsiders. Just look at Trump.

I'm the poster who suggested blue-collar woman. This does not mean I'm saying we need to flip Trump voters, I also agree with the poster who said the party is now POC and Progressives. But there are *still* millions of blue-collars longing for leadership. Let's give it to them! All these things overlap.

[quote] Whatever [R84], I'll fucking take the scraps I can get. I mean holy fucking SHIT, we are at war with the Repubs! I'm SO sick of people like you shooting down our best soldiers. Shut the fuck up about Bustos you ninny!

I'm not shooting here down. I'm happy for any Democratic wins. But lets not pretend that a moderate platform is a revelation. And again I don't know that it has served progressive politics well, or served the party well. And I will refrain from the name calling.

[quote] I also agree with the poster who said the party is now POC and Progressives. But there are *still* millions of blue-collars longing for leadership. Let's give it to them! All these things overlap.

Now?

Its been something like 50 yrs since Democrats won the white majority in a national election.

R90, you're right, please forgive me for name calling, that's not ok. You make a very fair and valid point, I'm just so frustrated and tired of Dems losing, plus the trolls, I lose it once in a while. Back to lotus position....

[quote] They need at least someone who is capable of speaking non-condescendingly to blue-collar people and that has genuine policies that support them.

No such people exist in the candidate echelons of the Coastal Party. Deplorables they said, deplorables they meant.

R93, I call bullshit. There are actually some of us who are now upper-middle class but we're raised blue collar. They aren't unicorns.

[quote] They need at least someone who is capable of speaking non-condescendingly to blue-collar people and that has genuine policies that support them.

Working class whites rather vote for policies that hurt, rather than policies that help. The Democratic Party has never stopped supporting them. Despite the work that the white working class is doing to hinder and dismantle those efforts. White working class voters make their own lives harder, and they make it increasingly harder for Democrats to help them, though Democrats continue to try. They vote for their own destruction. Then they turn around and complain that Democrats won't help them.

No more old, fucking white dudes!!! No to Biden, no to Bernie, no to Howard Dean, no to Tim Kaine and no to Al Gore just to make certain. We need someone young and charismatic. I personally like Kamala Harris, Eric Holder, Eric Stawell, Chris Murphy. Cory Booker lost my support when he sold out to Big Pharma.

We need someone who can beat Trump, I don’t care what age they are or what color their skin may be. What the hell is wrong with you guys, most of whom are probably white, determining that white people are now disqualified from the Presidency?

[quote] We need someone who can beat Trump, I don’t care what age they are or what color their skin may be. What the hell is wrong with you guys, most of whom are probably white, determining that white people are now disqualified from the Presidency?

Who said that?

In addition to the other factors, age is also a problem, because we need someone who can win and serve 2 terms.

Yes, white, old guys should now be disqualified from the Presidency. I think Reagan and now Trump are pretty strong examples of why age should be a qualification. I've worked with people in their late 60s and early 70s, while they may be functioning, they aren't nearly as sharp as they were in their 50s.

This assumption that the Democrats will win with anyone against Trump in 2020 is harmful. This is nothing but head-in-the-sand stuff. It gives the feeling of 1984 ('Reagan is finished') and 2004 ('Dubya's going to be a one-termer').

People seem to think Trump is the worst, the dumbest and nastiest president - and assume he's an inevitable one-term pres. Remember how dumb Dubya was? While Trump's sentences are odd, Dubya couldn't pronounce certain words. The anti-gay bile of 2004 got him votes. Remember how stupid Reagan was? Remember the Reagan era dog-whistle racism? Remember his attitude to AIDS and "sodomites"?

Trump took PA, WI and MI where McCain, Romney and W Bush failed. Trump will have the advantage of incumbency and Congressional GOP will be more onside with him than in 2016. The GOP will run Trump again and the Democrats will lose if itos does not get its shit together.

Bob Iger will be the our next president, never mind Joe Biden.

And he'll get my vote.

[quote] agree with you but only to a point. People ARE sick and tired, and people WILL vote in outsiders. Just look at Trump.

I never said people would not vote in outsiders. That is what the last election was about. The establishment candidates were rejected in both parties.

I think they are still hungry for outsiders and that will cause a certain lack of enthusiasm for the people already named as potential nominees...

Nobody is begging Joe Bidden to run other than Joe Bidden.

[quote] This assumption that the Democrats will win with anyone against Trump in 2020 is harmful.

You can stop right there. Who's making that assumption? Isn't that what all of this debate is about. We cannot run just anyone. I believe that much is well understood by most.

Biden should shut up and retire.

I met Joe Biden while waiting to get seated at a restaurant. I went up to him to say hello and shake his hand. Instead, he reached for my shoulder and gave it a squeeze while saying "nice to meet you". Wasn't what I expected, but I took it as a warm and friendly gesture. I thanked him for his public service, and that was that. He's very well groomed, tall and smelled good, btw.

Joe missed his chance. If he ran in 2016 I think he could have won over Hillary and would have beat Trump. However, I understand why he did not run as his heart wasn't in it after grieving for his son.

That being said, I doubt Trump will run for a second term. He'll find some reasonable reason (family, health, etc) to not run and come out of all this with a golden parachute. That is, if he doesn't resign beforehand.

Joe running against Hillary in 2016 would’ve been a nasty, bitter affair. The entire party lined up behind Hillary. Ed Rendell, the man quoted for this article, was singing a far different tune three years ago when he warned Democrats not to run against Hillary. And for a President to back another candidate over his own Vice President was very troubling. Joe had no choice but to retreat, and I don’t blame him for doing so.

And we've seen where that got her, r109.

Chelsea is Webb Hubbell's daughter.

Here is the one thing I can confidently predict: no matter who the Democratic Party chooses in 2020, that candidate will not have your identical views, will not say things exactly the way you want them said, and will not run their campaign exactly the way you them to run it.

Knowing that, what are you going to do about it?

I live in the Midwest r39 and Biden doesn't appeal to working class folks here, not even the liberal working class. He's seen as a guy who loses more elections than he wins and who keeps putting his foot in his mouth.

I think some of Obama's reticence in backing HRC was that he wanted Biden to run, r109, but Biden has too many liabilities and his son was terminal at the time, so he wasn't an option.

I speculated about that, r105, so they're probably talking to me. I do think that it's possible the Dems can win with a sub-par candidate in 2020 and that would be a bad thing overall.

[quote] I think some of Obama's reticence in backing HRC was that he wanted Biden to run, [R109], but Biden has too many liabilities and his son was terminal at the time, so he wasn't an option.

Oh so now we're giving Biden so sort of revisionist endorsement from President Obama.

No, it's a theory that was discussed at length during the campaigns, r116.

No! he's too old. I want young, new blood.

[QUOTE]Obama's reticence in backing HRC

R116, actually I've read that Obama did indeed feel that way. No idea if true, can't remember where I read it.

[quote] I live in the Midwest [R39] and Biden doesn't appeal to working class folks here, not even the liberal working class. He's seen as a guy who loses more elections than he wins and who keeps putting his foot in his mouth.

Well, then who DOES appeal to the Midwest working class voters? Hillary was a disaster in the Midwest. Hell, she almost lost Minnesota, a state that hasn't gone Republican since 1972. Iowa, which Obama won fairly easily in both 2008 and 2012, was never even considered to be in play in 2016. I refuse to believe that farmers in Iowa or factory workers in Ohio are clamoring for someone like Kamala Harris or Kirsten Gillibrand. If we're going to be perfectly honest, Bernie Sanders seems to be the only Democrat (OK, I know he's not really a Democrat) who has been able to light any kind of a fire among Midwest working-class voters. I thought Al Franken might be a contender, but now he's out of the picture. Sherrod Brown might be a possibility. Amy Klobuchar might be a possibility, but she doesn't seem to be presidential material. Who else is there?

[quote] I think some of Obama's reticence in backing HRC was that he wanted Biden to run

What Obama thought of Biden seems plain from the body language. A clueless old bore put on the ticket for the facade.

What about the guy who meditates? Does the Midwest like him? Is he from there?

Sanders supporters took over the caucus in Kansas and alienated the long-time Dem voters, and then whined when the party withered away by Election Day. They're still bragging on FB about their coup but it's done more harm than good.

Kansas has a good chunk of Democrats (Kathleen Sebelius wasn't that long ago) so the disarray the handful of BernieBros caused is significant.

I wish I saw that support for Bernie in the Midwest you claim to see but I just haven't. Only the shit-stirring BernieBros.

What difference does it make how old he is? Why so ageist?

don't forget, he is overly aggressive with the hugs, shoulder rubs etc. i'm sure you've seen the pictures.

LOL. Opened this and saw 123 responses and thought "okay, this quickly turned into a "Biden would have beaten Trump in 2016" debate which at this point falls into the category of "Stonewall Jackson would have defeated Grant" although DLers will be arguing the 2016 election forever.

Plus I've learned there's a subset of DLers who are good liberal Democrats but find baiting Hillbots to be some sort of cruel sport like medieval bear baiting.

Cue the "Why aren't I 50 points ahead" and "Pokemon Go To the Polls" videos.

You know they're coming.

^^Or to put it in simpler terms "Look Hannity: we've got them standing in a circle again shooting at each other. #WINNING"

[quote] I wish I saw that support for Bernie in the Midwest you claim to see but I just haven't. Only the shit-stirring BernieBros.

You didn't answer my question. The Midwest didn't like Hillary. You say they don't like Biden or Bernie. So who DO they like? Who would be the best Democratic candidate to appeal to the Midwest working-class voters? Or should we just resign ourselves to 8 years of Trump?

Didn’t the Midwest like Obama? They voted for him.

He should have run in 2016, but even with his advanced age I would vote for him.

Yes, r129, if I personally do not provide you with trenchant political analysis, then Trump will be president for life.

Oh, wouldn't the Republicans love to have this doddering old lech walk right into their trap. They probably already have a dossier on his closet full of skeletons.

What skeletons? The man ran for President what, two or three times and was Vice President for 8 years. He’s been a public figure nearly twice as long as I’ve been alive. What the hell could there be on him?

Listen, I'm in Chicago freezing my balls off. It SUCKS. We are therefore, a naturally angry people. We've shouldered being called The Secknd City forever, were always looked down on. Plus, we are the land of unions (though they are gone, we remember).

So midwestern Dems need to see anger. We have a lot to be pussed about. The dumb ones misunderstood Obama's passion for anger, that's why they were good with him. Midwesterners will only accept a fighter. Sadly, that's why they picked Trump. Not saying it makes any sense, but it's all the truth.

Here ya go, #134

Biden is great-grandfather age. Just no.

That’s a skeleton, R136? It’s right there on film. He was the Vice President and many of those incidents were at public events. He’s not even hiding it.

What about this loser? Do they like him in the Midwest?

Well, if you are going to add age, then I'm going to add experience. If you haven't been a governor,. US senator or US representative, you're not eligible. Period.

R136, I'm not a huge fan of Joe Biden, but I call bullshit. It's more republican nonsense.

god lets hope so

the cuntry cant take much more of the trump criminal mafia raping the coffers...

R117, no doubt every one of those worthless POS journalists and pundits had their own special theories. All bullshit. They did lousy interviews of Trump, gave him all sorts of attention and carped about Hillary the whole time. As one woman put, it is a question of proportionality. And another woman this evening tweeted to one of these arrogant assholes whining about Hillary's emails--Proportion is hard for humans who spend their lives believing 5 1/2 inches is actually 7 inches.

what woman has a good chance in 2020?

BIden, Sanders, anyone other than the albatross Hillary Clinton, would have beaten Trump in 2016

Bidens a 194 year old perv.

R145 No dummy, a presidents party usually does not win back the presidency, right after leaving it. It wasn't that unusual Trump won when you look at history. He was the right nominee at the right time..

The Democrats need to nominate someone who is not so deeply loathed as Hillary Clinton.

[quote] those worthless POS journalists and pundits had their own special theories. All bullshit. They did lousy interviews of Trump, gave him all sorts of attention and carped about Hillary the whole time.

𝘛𝘩𝘰𝘴𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘩𝘭𝘦𝘴𝘴 𝘗𝘖𝘚 𝘫𝘰𝘶𝘳𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘱𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘪𝘵𝘴 had their orders from Hillary and Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Donald Trump would be the easiest to beat so the smartest woman ever in American politics directed the media he be built up at every opportunity as the republican leader. By the time CNN and NBC slammed on the brakes, it was too late.

Isn't it remarkable how that little bit of info is always swept under the carpet.

[quote] 𝘛𝘩𝘰𝘴𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘩𝘭𝘦𝘴𝘴 𝘗𝘖𝘚 𝘫𝘰𝘶𝘳𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘱𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘪𝘵𝘴 had their orders from Hillary and Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Donald Trump would be the easiest to beat so the smartest woman ever in American politics directed the media he be built up at every opportunity as the republican leader. By the time CNN and NBC slammed on the brakes, it was too late. Isn't it remarkable how that little bit of info is always swept under the carpet.

Yeah apparently she also ordered them to march into endless conversation about emails and Benghazi.

The media built Trump up because he brought them ratings. They wanted him to stay in the race. They didn't care about what Clinton wanted, and of course she wanted to run against the weakest candidate (who initially was Trump).

[QUOTE]No dummy, a presidents party usually does not win back the presidency, right after leaving it. It wasn't that unusual Trump won when you look at history.

Everything about that election was unusual.

Biden is never ever going to happen. Move on Dems.

YES YES and YES to:

[quote] No more old, fucking white dudes!!! No to Biden, no to Bernie, no to Howard Dean, no to Tim Kaine and no to Al Gore just to make certain. We need someone young and charismatic. I personally like Kamala Harris, Eric Holder, Eric Stawell, Chris Murphy.

Exactly how I feel. Also add Senator Jim Himes to that list of possibles.

I don't think Biden should run (too old) but I do think now he could have beaten Trump.

Biden would do nowhere near as well as Bernie, who is a couple years younger than Biden I believe and had not had strokes and is not a smarmy weasel. But of course, he'd also shame corporatist democrats for being the money-grubbing assholes they are. Possibly starting with Ed Rendell.

And by the way, Ed Rendell? That's whose recommendations we are now paying attention to? Jesus......

[quote]Well, if you are going to add age, then I'm going to add experience. If you haven't been a governor,. US senator or US representative, you're not eligible. Period.

Thank you. I'm sick to death of the increasing acceptance of the idea that the presidency of the United States is an entry-level job. Now everybody thinks they can do it (The Rock? Seriously?). It should be plain from Dump's disastrous performance that anyone running needs to have a record of holding elected office and the political skill set that comes with it. Amateurs need not apply.

2020 is Bernie’s turn.

Fuck Bernie. Not going to happen.

Bernie Sanders

Elizabeth Warren

Bernie’s grasp of foreign policy is even worse than Trump. He has no business being anywhere near the Oval Office.

Can’t imagine the clown show that his cabinet picks would resemble.

Bernie Sanders is a well-respected US Senator elected from the great state of Vermont. Senator Sanders gets both domestic and foreign policy.

Bernie Sanders takes money from and is beholden to the NRA. Feel free to check this out and see how he has voted in the past. Always with the NRA. Also, why you're checking see if you can out how many bills he has authored.

I want to say President Bernie Sanders in 2020. Or President Elizabeth Warren.

No more corporate, wall street dems

President Elizabeth Warren.

How.

In order to win, we need a 'fresh start'. Like we had in 1992 and in 2008. We don't need to go backward to someone who is past his sell-by date.

YES to R165.

If we cannot have a real candidate, I wish Oprah would just fucking run and obliterate that orange motherfucker.

We need the younger, charismatic person to top the ticket but an experienced, battleworn, blue-collar state, attack dog white male as the VP pick. I'm thinking Sherrod Brown or Mark Warner as the VP but I can't yet picture the top of the ticket and it's making me nervous because that void is going to be filled by about 1000 people all trying to out-charisma each other and it's going to look like a fucking circus and the media is going to end up picking the top of the ticket for ratings because they don't want to give up the nice bump they've gotten from the current assclown.

R155 Sanders was born in 1941 and Biden was born in 1942. They are both too old. We need someone who can serve 2 terms. Running for president at 80 is absurdly ridiculous. You Bernie Bros claim that Clinton was crowned because everyone wrongly assumed it was her turn. Yet you run around claiming 2020 will be 80 yr old Bernie’s turn.

Sherrod Brown has almost as much charisma as a dry bowl of corn flakes.

R170 I have to agree. I also agree with the experience part as well but I wouldn't limit it to Governor, Senator or Representative. There are other experiences that could be beneficial. Ex-Military or a REAL business tycoon but not Mark Cuban nor Mark Zuckerburg. Disney's Bob Iger might be interesting.

R161 = Bernie Sanders.

No, Bernie Sanders doesn't know jack shit about foreign policy. He knows there's a bunch of foreign countries somewhere and they're all doing stuff and thangs, that's about it. He knows a little more than Trump maybe. And that's after 30 years in the Senate, so he has no excuse whatsoever.

How come nobody mentioned The Rock yet?

Things ware simplified when Gillibrand threw Franken overboard

[quote]what woman has a good chance in 2020?

Amy K

Any party that has "The Rock" as a candidate deserves to lose.

[quote]The Democrats need to nominate someone who is not so deeply loathed as Hillary Clinton.

That 'deeply loathed' person won the popular vote and is the most admired woman 16 years in a row. Idiot @ R148.

SALLY YATES .... yes!

Genuinely respected candidates don't need Oprah to tell people to hold their nose and vote for Hillary.

Deeply loathed.

Genuinely respected voters wouldn't give two cents about what a stupid fat talk show host has to say about political candidates.

There is an argument to be made that after this unending stressfest at the hands of the orange fucktard people will be looking for a steady, calm, grownup presence and not the rockstar bullshit. Relatedly, I can't believe how fucked up our country has become since the cult of celebrity took over EVERYTHING.

[quote] There is an argument to be made that after this unending stressfest at the hands of the orange fucktard people will be looking for a steady, calm, grownup presence and not the rockstar bullshit.

That argument can be made, but I don't think it's true. Voters ALWAYS want someone who is a rock star and has lots of charisma. And they always seem to prefer someone who can brand him/herself as an "outsider." The general mood in the country is anti-Washington, and I don't see that changing any time soon. Steady, calm and experienced (think Gore, Kerry, Dukakis -- and on the Republican side, McCain, Romney, Dole) never seems to be successful. My biggest fear is that we'll nominate a calm, experienced policy wonk in 2020, thinking that voters will prefer that after 4 years of Trump, only to lose again.

Whether you loath her or not, Hillary Clinton is and was the most qualified person who will run for president in our lifetime - eight years as Bill Clinton's "unofficial" chief strategy advisor, eight years as a Senator and four years as Secretary of State plus Yale Law School. If there was a male sitting on the sidelines right now with those credentials, everyone would be demanding that they run. The only issue I ever had with Hillary was that I wanted her to be a little more real but after 25 years of being pounded by republicans for every utterance, I can see why she was reserved and held back.

[quote]Let’s cut the crap and just start running actual corpses

JFK 2020!

I wonder where we'd be right now if JfK Jr. hadn't flown his plane into that fucking storm.

He’s a creepy fucker. My husband gets mad when I say it (Biden’s a DEMOCRAT! He’s a GOOD GUY!), but it’s true. I’ve got plenty of experience with those octopus assholes who come up behind you and “massage” your shoulders or grab your arm and steer you around. Entitled prick. I’ve had a lifetime of experience and yes, he’s one of them. The poor women who freeze with fear and good manners, you can see it on their faces.

Now that I’m older I’m not afraid to pull away sharply. And yes that shit still happens to wilting roses such as myself because it’s not about sexy, it’s about entitlement and intimidation and letting you know who’s in charge around here.

If it were a choice between “Come Sit On My Lap/Why So Tense?” Biden or “I Can’t Be Alone With You” Mike Pence, I guess I’d hold my nose like r15 and be salty about having to vote for Creepy Uncle Joe.

After looking at the 2020 field, I see a clear path for Biden to the nomination if he wants it. These guys and gals have so many issues and warts that Joe would look like the default safe choice.

Forget it. Time for elderly white men to give others a chance.

Let the voters decide.

Hate to break it to you, but it's going to be Bernie in 2020 with an easy win over Trump. He'll pick a young progressive VP then not run for re-election in 2024.

That would be great R190. Will Jane be out of prison by then do you think? Or will we be having an incarcerated First Lady?

Biden is older than me and Im 75. Bernie is older than both Biden and me.

No its not great to have geezer one or geezer two running.

Lets give somebody younger a chance please.

Rendell is too old to know better.

Joe Biden will be 77 in 2020. You got to be Fucking Kidding Me. Thank you for your service. We hope he active and supports the eventual nominee but it shouldn't be him. His time has come and gone and then some. He ran in 2008 and couldn't beat Hillary or Obama in the primary. NO MORE FUCKING OLD WHITE MEN!!! Has Trump taught us nothing?

R193, Amen!

R192 and others what is the rational basis to disqualify a candidate based upon age?

NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN

In recent decades the candidates who've been successful Presidential candidates for the democrats have been vigorous energetic candidates aged between their early forties to early fifties. John F Kennedy, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. That's a pattern worth taking note of. Joe Biden as good as he is may simply be the wrong age to gamble on in such a high stakes scenario as stopping Trump get a second term.

Ed, stupid, duck fucking Ed.

As one ages, mental functions decline. It is a given fact. I'm in my early 50s and I certainly can feel my body and mind changing with age. I've worked with several people -- both men and women who are in their late 60s, 70s and early 80s and while they are still functioning, no one can argue that they are functioning like they did when they were in their 40s or 50s. The Presidency takes a huge amount of mental capacity. Hillary used to carry around policy binders and Obama would take a huge three binder notebook into the private quarters to read each night after everyone else was asleep - not to mention the physical stamina needed. I just don't think a man or woman in their late 60s or 70s is the right choice. It is going to take a huge effort to put this country back together again. And for me it ain't Joe or Bernie. We need a young charismatic leader like Kennedy or Obama to get us back on track. It will be the most important presidency of our country.

[quote] In recent decades the candidates who've been successful Presidential candidates for the democrats have been vigorous energetic candidates aged between their early forties to early fifties. John F Kennedy, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. That's a pattern worth taking note of.

All of those Democratic presidents you mention also won, in part, because they had charisma and strong personalities (JFK and Bill Clinton), or because they could brand themselves as an outsider or someone fresh and new (Carter and Obama). Hillary had neither of those things going for her, which is why she was a flawed candidate from the start. Who do we have today who is cut from the same cloth as JFK, Carter, Bill Clinton or Obama?

*ahem* [R200]

Please, no Oprah. The US would become a COMPLETE laughing stock.

The candidate has to be a fake populist to win like Reagan, Bill Clinton, and Trump. (GWB was famously seen as someone you would want to have a beer with more than Kerry). Obama wasn't really a populist but some saw him that way.

Biden and Bernie are too old and the rest are too corporate. Those spouting "SJW" lines will not win. No one wants Zuckerberg - let him run in China.

No Oprah, No Mark Cuban, No Mark Zuckerberg, No Bernie, No Bidden, No Hillary, No Cory (Big Pharma) Booker, No Tim Kaine. Personally, I'd like to see Eric Holder and Kamala Harris but that ticket might be tinted a little too brown for middle America.

You have to be a fake populist. I don't think Eric Holder is.

Just fucking stop, op.

He's old AF. But he does have a better chance than pretty much any of the other likely Democratic contenders IMO. He should run with Kamala Harris as VP maybe

R199 - you're just wrong. Site one recent study supporting your position about cognitive abilities as you age. Look at the work Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter have been up to since they left office. Neither one is showing lack of cognitive abilities. Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. was 61 when he started his thirty year on the US Supreme Court. Earl Warren was over 60 when he brokered Brown v Board of Ed.

R197 - JFK may ave been many things, but vigorous and energetic. Not so much.

Team Trump fears Biden the most.

I was going to say, "Biden's kind of a goofus," but then I thought about who's doing "executive time" in the White House right now.

bumpo

[quote] Well, Franken could kick ass but the Dems ate him up and threw him under the bus. SMH.

Al is dealing with dementia. He can't even complete a coherent sentence now.

He's too bloody old. They ought to just run Hillary again, she only has to correct three states to win next time.

From where I sit, no one is begging Joe Bidden to run but Joe Bidden. Thank you for your years of public service but your time has come and gone. Now is the time to move over and become the biggest cheerleader for someone from a younger generation.

R216, exactly. And most Dem politicians/figures can't exactly tell Biden to shut up because he is one of the party's elder statesmen. Thankfully, I think some Dems now realize their future lies with young politicians, see Pelosi and Schumer picking a young guy to give the SOTU response instead of an oldster like last year.

There are many videos of Biden inappropriately placing his hands on little girls and women.

WARMONGER JOE BIDEN IS HILLARY 2.0 -- HE'LL JUST FAIL WITH MORE EMBARRASSING GAFFES

Biden is too old, and so what r218? there have been accusations of Trump RAPING little girls and women.

You call it old, I call it seasoned.

Even seasoning gets old...

Biden playing chess with Trumpy.

If Biden can avoid major mistakes and gets a charismatic VP, he might win.

I am voting Democratic even if they run a chimpanzee. I only care that the Dems nominate someone who will win. Nothing else matters to me.

Ed Rendell is like 105 by now, right?

Bidden is past his presidential sell date. Biden would be 78 on Inauguration Day in 2021 and Bernie Sanders would be 79. Both too fucking old.

[quote]Disney's Bob Iger might be interesting.

If you want to ensure both a Republican victory and another Disney dark age, then be our guest.

If a man is running for Pres, a woman will be VP candidate. That's too bad because I like Adam Schiff for VP but I don't think he's ready to head the ticket.

Adam Schiff? that wimp? no fucking thanks, I'd like our presidential nominee to have some balls.

and/or our vice presidential nominee.

[QUOTE]Ed Rendell is like 105 by now, right?

Ed Rendell has forgotten more about politics than the amount you’ve collected in that pea brain of yours.

R96, Hello?

It begins.

He'll be 77. It would be nice to have someone not on medicare.

It would be nice to have someone who can defeat Donald Trump. Who cares about a young energetic loser?

Biden would lose.

President Hamburgler. Freedom Fries!

He might win but geez, he'd turn 80 midway through his first term. There's got to be eomeone else.

I agree, competent and likable, but too old

I'm available!! And I'm only 70!!! (plus Huma is only 41 and sharp as a tack, and a sexy little Indian love muffin too.) I'll give her power of attorney if I get senile.)

This is a CPAC straw poll of all the Democrats who conservatives in attendance feel would most easily be defeated by Trump in 2020. Liz Warren is at the very top. Know one prominent name who didn’t even make it?

Joe Biden, the leader of the pack in Dem primary polls at this moment.

Even the righties know that Biden would be hard for Trump to beat.

He's destroyed a few Depends* undergarments.

Biden isn't going to happen. He's been way too handsy with females. Al Franken only had one photo and he got taken down. With Biden, there's plenty of video and photos. All it would take is for the Republicans to find one woman who say it wasn't consensual and it would be all over.

R18, he didn't think much of you either.

R32, sure as hell gave me one.

Biden's son was involved in the Ukraine mess, wasn't he?

Biden has zero charisma... all he can offer is his old white man status.

Who has the amount of charisma you need, R253? What candidate for 2020 sets your heart aflutter?

R254 No one white and male.

[quote] Ed Rendell has forgotten more about politics than the amount you’ve collected in that pea brain of yours.

Unfortunately the things that he has forgotten are all of the important and valuable things. What's left is garbage. Garbage that led him to believe that 80 yr old Washington insider Joe Biden and his 40 yrs of political baggage, including: his 2 failed presidential bids (1 of which he exited due to a plagiarism scandal), his handling of the Anita Hill testimony, his having authored the 1994 crime bill, an endless number of political gaffes, and persistent internet sexual harassment rumors. And the same people who proclaimed Hillary to be unfit, due to her baggage, now want to run Biden. A man who has decades more baggage that Hillary.

R256 Not to mention his ties to Obama... They will label him the reverse "Uncle Tom".

The thing is with Trump and his criminals involved. 2020, like 2016, would not be an election but a dirty game to stoke bigotry and hatred, and cheat as much as they can. 2018 is the year to clean up US politics. If the Dems can't even do that in the face of so much corruption in the GOP and WH, then 2020 becomes a longshot no matter who they nominate.

Trump will not be running in 2020. He will probably be serving time. He is a piece of filth.

If Russia had not manipulated our vote...stolen votes from Hillary caused trump the toad to win.

I never liked Ed Rendell especially after he campaigned against Obama, and even after the primaries he was less than supportive in 2008. He was also a "Go To" guy when TV News panels were looking for a Dem to criticize Obama during the financial crisis. I remember him acting like he knew every damned thing about our Financial crisis and Obama was getting it wrong. He's also crooked himself with a lot of Wall Street Connections. Didn't he have to resign or something? My point is I don't really give a shit who he thinks would be a good candidate to go after Trump. But honestly, if we have to have an old white man in the race I'd rather see Joe than Bernie. In fact, Joe would neutralize Bernie.

[quote] This is a CPAC straw poll of all the Democrats who conservatives in attendance feel would most easily be defeated by Trump in 2020.

Why would ANY Democrat believe any of this? Cause, you know, the rethugs are so honest. LOL!

Right, so they’re actually afraid of Elizabeth Warren? LOL!

Has anyone here ever tried to wake up someone over 70? You would have watched the 40 minute ritual it takes for them to wake up their brain, sit up in bed, put in eye drops so they can see after a night of dry eyes, drink their water before they can talk because their mouths are so dry they can't talk...and that's before they even make it to the bathroom to start a whole other set of very slow morning wake-up rituals just to get them to a place where they can function among other humans? And, that is if they are a relatively healthy 70 year old.

Not someone who you want to have to jump up at 4am when something blows up somewhere.

Who buried the story of Biden's son fucking his dead brother's widow, with Joe and Jill offering their public support?

Biden and I were born within two weeks of each other. We are both 75 years old.

Not sure where R265 got that description of a 75 year old waking up. Thats not me. Doubt its Biden either.

I do concede that in 2020 we will be close to 78 and will be 82 when his first term is up. Way too old for the job.

I don’t know what the hell R265 is talking about. My grandfather is 77 and pops right up when he’s awoken. Meanwhile I’m 26 and more aptly fit that description when waking. 😂

Doesn’t Rendell have a show on Russia Today? He can fuck off.

Looked it up. I was confusing him with Ed Schultz. But Rendell can still fuck off, because while I like Biden, he should not run.

[quote]Having dealt with Biden when I was a lobbyist in the 80s I have never liked him. He's an ass. And a not too bright ass at that. And he's not my idea of honest. But his positions on issues were mostly good and he had great, great staff working for him in his office and in committee. With his staff's help,and cooperation we achieved some very important things.

His lack of real support of Hillary during the campaign, his games about running and his indefensible insults toward her after the election leave a terrible taste in my mouth - though none of this behavior surprised me in the least.

But in the end, if he really could beat Trump then he'd have my vote - while I held my nose.

R18, Thanks for your insight. I've had no inside experience like you, but that's been my feeling about him in general.

Joe to the rescue.

R18 I had very limited exposure to Senator Biden in the late 80's and found hi to be exactly as you describe. And yes he does or did have a pretty decent staff.

When he was in the Senate, he was a very affable fellow but the word on Biden is that he was a mile wide but only a 1/4 inch deep. He was a protege and friend of Teddy Kennedy and a couple of other guys Chris Dodd, and John Kerry. All good men, smart men, Liberals all, and he seemed more like their mascot. He certainly wasn't as sharp as they were.

Thanks for all these reports on Biden... from 30 years ago.

[quote] Thanks for all these reports on Biden... from 30 years ago.

R275 Biden has 30 yrs of Washington insider baggage. Do you believe that Republicans and the so-called Liberal media aren't going unpack that baggage day and night, just as they did with Hillary? Or do you perhaps believe that they will only focus on his term as vice president?

What’s some of the baggage they’ll dig up?

The Clarence Thomas hearings and his treatment of Anita Hill.

The 1994 Crime Bill (Written by Biden)

Those are issues he’ll have to deal with among his Democratic brethren well before the general election. Republicans won’t bring up either of those issues.

Joe’s skeletons will all come out during the primaries. He better have some answers or he’ll be sunk.

[quote] Those are issues he’ll have to deal with among his Democratic brethren well before the general election. Republicans won’t bring up either of those issues.

Just as they did with Hillary, the Republicans will uses every thing that they can find to sew discord among Democrats. It's not about what side of the issue they are on or were on. Its about what can they use to create apathy and discord among liberals. Republicans used the Crime Bill against Hillary, with some success and she merely gave her support to Bill. Biden wrote the damn thing. They will use Anita Hill to create apathy among women.

“Sow discord,” R280. It refers to planting (sowing) not making clothes.

Meanwhile, Adam Schiff calmly and precisely defends the Republic every week. He’s not waiting for 2020 to do something. He’s doing something.

[quote] “Sow discord,” [R280]. It refers to planting (sowing) not making clothes.

R280 Despite my proofreading errors (and there are several); my point still stands. But hopefully providing that bit of correction gave you a nice little orgasm.

Trump is so hated, only fools would vote for him.

R280/R282 when did Republicans bring up the Crime Bill? During the primaries?

[quote] [R280]/[R282] when did Republicans bring up the Crime Bill? During the primaries?

We need a young, virile man to run.

In the months to come it will increasingly become clear that Obama and Biden failed to safe the country from Russia. On top of this, to safe their own asses, they both accused Hillary to be responsible for her own loss.

History will not be kind to Obama-Biden.

[quote] In the months to come it will increasingly become clear that Obama and Biden failed to safe the country from Russia. On top of this, to safe their own asses, they both accused Hillary to be responsible for her own loss. History will not be kind to Obama-Biden.

Here’s what I don’t get. (This post is exclusively about age, not platform, so save your screaming.)

Bernie Sanders was too old to be president, according to just about all media pundits on both the left and the right. He was 73 during the campaign.

Clinton was 69 during the campaign. Four years younger.

Trump was 70. Three years younger.

Now the DNC is pushing Biden, who will be SEVENTY SEVEN in 2020. And Trump will be 73–the same age Sanders was when he was “too old to be president,” except that Trump is a couple decades older senilitywise.

I work in the media and I have to say I am sick of the way thoughts are fed to voters and disturbed by the way voters embrace the thoughts that are fed to them.

R290 is a retard.

R291 Strong argument!

It’s going down!

R262 writes,

[quote]In fact, Joe would neutralize Bernie.

Pro-Iraq War voter Joe Biden would “neutralize” Joe Biden.

Joe is still vital, but he is too fucking old to sell to the public. And Republicans hate him by proxy of Obama and Clinton, whom he endorsed, and Republicans will exploit every sexist or creepy “gaffe” Biden has made over the years, and you can be fucking certain that many #metoo feminists will denounce him and refuse to acknowledge that giving a woman a shoulder rub onstage is not the same level of offense as raping and groping women.

Biden and Chris Murphy as VP would work for me.

Kamala Harris is wonderful but she would not work as VP.

[QUOTE]On the list: announcing his candidacy either really early or really late in the primary process so that he’d define the field around him or let it define itself before scrambling the field; skipping Iowa and New Hampshire and going straight to South Carolina, where he has always had a strong base of support; announcing a running mate right out of the gate and possibly picking one from outside of politics; and making a pitch that he can be a bridge not just to disaffected Democrats, but to Republicans revolting against President Donald Trump.

[QUOTE]They’ve also discussed an idea some donors and supporters have been pitching Biden on directly for months: kick off by announcing that he’d only run for one term. One person who’s pitched the idea said Biden would try to sell voters on “a reset presidency.” The former vice president would pick a younger Democratic running mate and argue that he’d be the elder statesman to get the country and government back in order post-Trump and be the bridge to the next generation.

This is why Joe can easily beat Trump.

[QUOTE]A boost for Biden 2020

[QUOTE]Lamb isn’t the only Democrat who won big Tuesday night in Pennsylvania. The upset win also provides more fuel for a potential presidential run for former Vice President Joe Biden.

[QUOTE]Biden, who’s exploring a 2020 bid, has frequently hit the trail for red-state Democrats and campaigned alongside Lamb twice in the final weeks of the race.

[QUOTE]Biden was one of the few national Democrats who campaigned in the district, as candidates in red or swing districts look to keep Washington and the national party brand at arm’s length.

[QUOTE]Biden has been an effective surrogate for connecting with rural and working class voters. Now Lamb’s victory demonstrates that Biden can help win back those voters — right as Democrats consider which 2020 primary hopeful will deliver them the White House.

JOE BIDEN DESTROYED THE CREDIBILITY OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, TOO!

NEVER SUPPORT A POLITICIAN WHO VOTED TO AUTHORIZE THE IRAQ INVASION. PRESIDENCY JUDGEMENT FAIL.

NEVER AGAIN! TO HELL WITH HIS GENERATION OF LEADERSHIP -- THEY'RE DEPLORABLE, TOO.

Crazy Joe Biden? Is 2020 on already? 😂

[QUOTE]Biden Would 'Go Down Fast and Hard' Says Borderline-Obese 71-Year-Old With Bone Spurs

😂

Biden’s running laps on these other candidates.

[QUOTE]In his 'American Promise Tour' at the Orpheum, Biden will "go beyond the 24-hour news cycle and 140-character arguments to connect friends and neighbors around the topics that matter most."

Very disappointed Mueller aint been able to put trump in jail by now

losing patience

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump Crazy Joe Biden is trying to act like a tough guy. Actually, he is weak, both mentally and physically, and yet he threatens me, for the second time, with physical assault. He doesn’t know me, but he would go down fast and hard, crying all the way. Don’t threaten people Joe!

[QUOTE]Almost one-third of registered Democratic voters back former Vice President Joe Biden for the party’s 2020 presidential nomination, making him the front-runner in a new poll provided exclusively to The Hill.

WRONG Joe Biden authorized the Iraq invasion mess, America is tired of his failed generation in Washington.

NOMINATE SOMEBODY WITH A CLEAN RECORD OR LOSE AGAIN, DEMOCRATS.

[QUOTE]Former Vice President Biden intends to ratchet up his appearances on the campaign trail in support of Democrats starting after Labor Day, The New York Times reported Sunday.

[QUOTE]The newspaper reported that Biden is attempting to set himself apart from a crowded field of potential Democratic presidential candidates in 2020. While other likely contenders have focused on rejecting President Trump, Biden reportedly plans to emphasize the need for bipartisanship.

[QUOTE]Biden has not yet decided if he's going to run for president. The New York Times reported that he has met with Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti (D) and Gov. Steve Bullock (D), and urged both to decide on a 2020 campaign without considering the former vice president's plans.

[QUOTE]Biden's appearances on the campaign trail are expected to coincide with those of former President Obama.

He looks like old Bill Clinton.

311. Wishful thinking. No sitting president has ever been put in jail.

Mueller's investigation. He's get there, one day...

Jeff Sessions swats creepy Uncle Joe's hands away from his grand-daughter.

He didn’t swat at Joe. Looks like she had something in her hair.

R202 If Oprah were elected she's make the US a laughing stock? Really!? We wouldn't want to elect someone and see THAT happen. O wait .....

R202 was trolling.

Biden would make a good vice-president. Maybe Como and Biden. I think this would be a winning team.

No, no he’s not.

Biden wouldn't run as VP again. I think he's done with that. I would only vote for him if he had a young and charismatic VP--as in Beto O'Rourke, Chris Murphy. (Well, I would vote for any Democrat really--have never voted for a Republican in my entire life and wouldn't start now). I would love to see Sally Yates as VP but not sure if she is interested in politics--everything about her says genuine integrity and gravitas. I don't see Kamala Harris as having much personal appeal (she seems very cold to me). Amy Klobuchar is popular in Minnesota but I think she is too frauish for the rest of the country. Saw Seth Moulton, MA congressman.on morning show today. He is impressive and young. (Harvard degrees, 3 tours as a Marine officer in Iraq). Could make a great VP candidate. Just wish there was a stronger, more charismatic presidential contender in the wings. I like Booker, but people don't like his corporate connections and some won't like his "bachelor" status. Al Franken could have been good but that's not happening. I love Liz Warren but she's too left to appeal in the Midwest. I neither like or trust Bernie and never have (I do like his policies). I think we may be stuck with Biden in the end (unfortunately) so we need a running mate who represents the future.

Biden is elderly. He is older than Bernie was when Bernie was called too old to run. I will be very upset if the Democrats run Biden—and so I expect they will. Perhaps with Pelosi or Chelsea Clinton as his VP, because if you’re going to self-sabotage, self-sabotage consistently.

Biden would have won against Trump in 2016 but I can't see him winning the Democrat nomination in 2020 because we are now in the #metoo era and he has too many pics/videos of himself getting handsy

Rendell supported Hillary in 2007-2008 and was damned insulting towards Obama who he decided had no chance of getting the nomination and "couldn't win" against the Republicans..... Fuck him. No to Joe Biden, No, to Hillary, and Hell No, to Bernie Sanders.

Too old, so is Sanders. My problem is, though, a lot of people who are saying this are still supporting Diane Feinstein in CA. She'll be 91 at the end of this six year term, should she win. If she lives through it that is. This party needs a serious retirement/buy out at the national level. Like yesterday.

We've had a lot of old-assed Senators. Not very much criticism of all those old men who served into their 0's. But Diane is too old?? uh, uh. When she took it upon herself to release those transcripts a few months ago that was it for me. I will support her as long as she wants to hold office. A senile Diane is worth more than Bitch McConnell, Chuck Grassley and all the rest of the GOP senators combines.

Age is the new Russian wedge issue.

R333: I just get through castigating OLD MEN and say ONE WOMAN is too fucking old, and you start gender baiting. And saying she should retire is not an endorsement of Nazi Republicans so cut the zero sum crap. Her only opponent in November is a Democrat who will be just as good as her on the issues should he win the seat.

Thanks. I needed a laugh today, OP.

Are you laughing at all the polls that have Biden in the lead among Dem voters?

Amen, R333, I'm another who has appreciated Dianne's work this year and I want her chairing the Judiciary if it's at all possible next year.

Biden's fine, other than during the Clarence Thomas hearings I've always liked him. If he runs, I would have no problem voting for him, nor would most people.

Yes, R337

Biden or Warren are guaranteed losers in 2020.

Who in your mjnd would be a winner, R339?

[QUOTE]Who in your mind* would be a winner

R340

R340

Bang. You nailed it.

There isn’t a single Democrat with a high regional, let alone national, profile that can unite Democrats to take on Trump in 2020. Since straight white males are going to be excluded from the pool of potential candidates, the chances of winning are very low.

He had his shot in 2016. He let that lesbian whore cower him into not vying for the spot. move the fuck on now.

No straight white males? Well why even hold an election? Let’s just not select a nominee at all. Trump’s got this sewn up with his 41% approval rating. 🙄

It doesn't matter who runs. I'm voting for the Democrat. If you want to get in the weeds of it and support someone in the primaries, fine. I plan on doing that too. But one we have a nominee, whoever it is, we go with it. Period. We cannot afford the luxury of getting divisive and pissed off . Who ever it is will be "Good enough." And since we now can count on the fact the Russians and the Republicans will be working together to undermine us even in the primaries, get ready for some ugly shit. Just stand fast. Right now, I have to say, that the only thing I'm absolutely against is Bernie. I wish the fuck someone would shut him up. Right now he is traveling all over the country creating mischief in the Congressional races and it stinks. He's got that naive young woman from NYC traveling with him as if she's a celebrity because she wants to be a Social Democrat. As LBJ used to say, "Better he's in the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in."

I’ll vote for anyone, even Bernie, over Trump.

I'd stay home if it's Bernie v Trump. Bernie's economic policies would be devastating to this country. Like major economic depression devastating.

Look. If it ever ended up being Bernie, I'd vote for him. I just don't want it to happen. I cannot stand, we cannot stand another term of Trump. We can barely survive the first two years. Go do some research. Look at all the shit his cabinet and agency heads have been up to. While the focus has been on his sidesow, the Cabinet level departments and the regulatory agencies as well as Congress have been wrecking our country. Seriously.

and R348 you are an idiot because of that

Whatever, r350. I'm not going to vote for someone with an economic plan that will bring back breadlines. If my choices are bad and just as bad then I'm not going to vote. This isn't a Trump v Clinton whereas Clinton was far better. This would be as bad as bad can get. And it's heartwarming to know there are people like you who will deliever the entire country to the doorstep of a economic disaster.

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Joe Biden is old news, old politics and old establishment. Trump isn't going to run again, he never thought he'd get this far in the first place, I think. He's already proven himself to be a winner, so his huge ego is satisfied.

340 has it right. The only dem. candidate that would make it work is Oprah. She would win over Trump, over any republican candidate because she has no political background and that is a bonus in today's politics. I think she could unite as well.

LOL! I'd love to see Le Bron run.

Trump hasn’t proven anything. One-term Presidents are losers. If he can’t get re-elected, then his legacy will be a minor blip on the radar. His ego won’t allow for that.

He’ll definitely run again.

He's a white hetro male of a certain age , no way he will garner any Democratic votes

This isn't Ed's first outing as the Oracle of Delphi.

[QUOTE]Former Vice President Joe Biden is launching a new campaign to promote LGBTQ family acceptance, with the help of Cyndi Lauper and former NFL player Wade Davis.

[QUOTE]The Biden Foundation announced Tuesday it was kicking off its new “As You Are” campaign, which aims to raise awareness about the significance of family in accepting LGBTQ young people.

[QUOTE]“We’ll use our resources to highlight the harms of family rejection, and to lift up research, best practices, and personal stories to show the importance of family acceptance,” Biden said in a video to announce the launch of the social media campaign.

[QUOTE]LGBTQ youth “continue to be among the most at-risk youth populations in America,” according to The Biden Foundation, and are “disproportionately more likely than their non-LGBTQ peers to experience homelessness, suffer from depression, and experience suicidal ideation.”

[QUOTE]“Many of them have been kicked out of their homes, or no longer find it safe to stay at home,” Lauper, the Grammy Award-winning “Time After Time” singer and a longtime LGBTQ activist, says in the promotional video.

I said this on the other thread. I think Elizabeth Warren is seriously looking at running. I'd definitely support her. I think she and Mitch Landrieu would be a winning ticket. But now I'm also thinking Eric Garcetti might be a good running mate, but not top of the ticket necessarily. Eric is a Mexican- Italian- Russian Jewish-American. That sort of touches a lot of bases!

What’s wrong with Joe Biden? What makes Elizabeth Warren so much better than him?

I think Biden being handsy in the past is a weakness that his rivals in the party will exploit. I can see someone like Kirsten Gillibrand using it to take him down like she did with Al Franken

Unless he’s impeached or forced to resign Trump will be re-elected. I don’t see any of the proposed Dem opponents being able to challenge him.

Yeah Trump is just unstoppable with his 41% approval rating.

R364 The problem is everyone is enraged on social media but no one bothers to go out and actually VOTE. Ranting and raving on Twitter doesn’t actually push someone out of office.

They’ll vote if they have a candidate who they believe in.

[quote] I think Elizabeth Warren is seriously looking at running. I'd definitely support her. I think she and Mitch Landrieu would be a winning ticket.

With him at the top, maybe.

Biden's remarks today showed he's still got it. He could win the Presidency from Trump. He's got the self assurance to just laugh at him whenever he gets out of hand. He would destroy that fool in the debates.

OK Biden's old, but he's still got fire and he'd kill Trump in debates. He wouldn't take any of that walking around behind him bullshit that Hillary endured.

Maybe Jennifer Grandholm as his veep. She'd secure Michigan, might help with women's vote, she's well liked, and she doesn't suffer fools either.

Kamala Harris would have to be veep. Biden won’t need any help winning Michigan.

Granholm couldn’t run as VP. She was born in Canada.

[QUOTE]One Democrat keeps emerging as the candidate Republicans are worried about most in 2020: Joe Biden.

[QUOTE]Top Republican strategists and party operatives assessing the potential field of candidates say the former vice president is the Democrat likely to pose the biggest problem for President Trump in a general election.

Joe is just too old.

I'd be very leery of Republican strategists announcing publicly who they fear.

Personally, I think Biden is authentic and would clean the floor with Trump in debates, with a kind of effortlessness because Biden, unlike a Booker or a Harris or Warren, feels he's got nothing to prove against Trump. Biden knows who he its and he knows what Trump is.

Every great candidate has his (or someday her) moment when he or she looks or feels right, beyond whatever they are selling as platform. I think the stars have aligned for Biden. He's known. He has a great vibe. He doesn't have to do anything except be himself. If you want an antidote to Trump, you don't have to take a leap of faith with Biden because you know him much better than many other potential candidates.

Trump is angry. I think the worst thing the Dems could offer is an alternative kind of anger (like the indignance of Elizabeth Warren or Cory Booker.). We've had enough. We need an Obama or (Bill) Clinton tone... forward, positive, eager to accomplish, optimistic.). If you want anger you've got it. People want solutions. That's how Trump fooled them. A combination of outrage and snake oil. If people still want angry, they'll have it in Trump.

Among the newcomers or outsiders, Mitch Landrieu reminds me most of Biden.

When has a couple Republican stategists handicapping the Democratic race, mostly anonymous, ever had an actual effect? Being quoted by Politico that you think Biden is the hardest Dem to beat will have absolutely no bearing on his chances of getting the nomination.

And yes, I like Mitch as well (I started the one and only thread about him running in 2020 on here). The problem is that I fear there’s some skeletons in his closet we don’t know about, potentially of the #MeToo variety. With Biden, everything is already out there. He’s been a national figure for decades now, not to mention Vice President for eight years.

Rendell is as delusional as Biden is. In the metoo age, Biden's treatment of Anita Hill has really turned a lot of people off. He quasi-apologized several years ago, but then seemed to become more critical in the past couple of years. Keep in mind that democrats pay the price for metoo much more quickly than republicans and for much less.

He didn’t rape Anita Hill. And he also voted against Clarence Thomas’ nomination. So I don’t see anything that can’t be overcome.

It was nearly thirty years ago. It's so far in the past the only people who want to remember it are people backing other horses. As R381 said it can be overcome.

Nobody ever even brought it up when he ran before.

anybody who thinks Joe Biden is a superstar also probably was sure Clinton would beat Trump.

That's not what I'm seeing. Most don't want him for a variety of reasons. If he pushes it, out will come the memes about him with his hands all over little girls. We've seen previews.

Women will not vote for Joe Biden. Anyone who thinks Biden has a political future, should be taken out back behind the barn.

Who will women vote for, R386?

Looks like he’s not running.

Biden has obvious recent facelift/ plastic surgery--so I would say he's certainly thinking about his image and that would suggest he is bidening his time (sorry, couldn't help myself).

Oh lord the many pedo-hysterics have had their way with this thread.

Here's a bit of food for thought: a genuine pedo or even just a sex groper will not let his secret predilections out into the open especially with cameras everywhere. Have none of you ever known any Irish or Italian huggers? That is all Joe is. I agree that all the hugging is not always appreciated, but it truly does come from a non sexual place.

Like someone said up thread, the vid of him hugging Hillary forever should tell you something. Does anyone really believe that he was getting any jollies from having his hands on her?

In the primary, would Biden beat Bloomberg?

R391, yes.

A can of white paint would beat Bloomberg.

If Biden runs in 2020, he’s so white bread he’ll need a female or minority candidate for VP. Or both....

Why? He’ll be running against two white ass white supremacists.

And all he has to do is turn some combination of PA, OH, MI, WI and FL blue again—not even all of them, but most. It’s not like Trump is some formidable wall of a candidate. He barely got in by the skin of his teeth. Three million more Americans voted for Hillary.

Biden would need a young vigorous VP. That's obvious, because of his age and his centrism--personally am not a Kamala Harris fan (even though I'm a woman in California)--just don't find her likeable enough. I think Beto would be great as VP even if he is not elected in Texas today. Stacey Abrams and Andrew Gillum are future stars--I don't see either of them running in 2020 as they will be new governors (fingers crossed). Biden still has the gravitas to oppose Trump IMO (although I have a faint hope that Trump will resign before 2020--and maybe move to Russia, otherwise he is indictable in New York even if Pence pardons him).

Biden/Beto sounds good to me.

Remember the young and woke progressives and Bernie Bros and media who all had a meltdown over Hillary and the 1994 Crime Bill back in 2016? What are these people going to think when they learn that it was JOE BIDEN'S bill?!

This thread has aged nicely.

I have to admit I also didn't think Joe had what it takes and I'm really glad I was completely wrong.

Americans are craving decency after 4 years of all the corruption and madness.

Mittens agreed!

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