Millennials are sick of bisexuals not being represented

I am sick of bisexuals not being open and being down low. As if their gay side is a shameful thing.

R1 I think you mean "same sex attraction side" bisexuals aren't gay

What's interesting is that, as people pointed out in the thread, she lists people who aren't bisexual but synonymously said "[I] have experimented but still identify as straight." So I guess it isn't just DataLounge.

Also R2, that's up in the air. Bisexuality still doesn't have a clear definition. There's been talk of adjusting bisexual to mean "attracted to two genders" thus people who are attracted to cis-men and transmen are bisexual. And also because gender (and not the sex assigned at birth) plays a part in one's perceived sexuality, orientation is now same/different gender and not sex.

Oh for fucks sake R2 are you serious? Gay refers to same sex attraction. This just proved my point that they are averse to any mention of gays even when it applies to part of their orientation.

R4 No gay is a homosexual man (Google it). Same attraction is same sex attraction. All gay men have same sex attraction but not all people attracted to the same sex are gay

R3 Bisexuality is the attraction to two genders and two genders only; if you're attracted to more than that you could possibly be pansexual. Technically a bisexual dating a trans man would still be in the realms of dating man (or a woman I guess without surgery) and they would still be bisexual.

It's all so complicated.

Those famous (males mostly) who say “I have experimented with sex with my own gender in the past” are giving the standard response. The issue with bisexuality is its not a United collective like gay or lesbian. In fact it’s very complicated as both genders are treated differently.

Society (and many straight men) regard female bisexuality as exotic and a turn on. For this reason it’s far easier for women today to say they have a fluid sexuality.

Bisexual men (those who truly are attracted to both genders) often feel they cannot admit it, not because of shame, but because straight women in the majority are utterly turned off by the possibility of sex or partnership with a man who has sex with other men. Sure, you get some women that like it, but on the whole you ain’t gonna be finding a lot of straight women who aren’t immediately turned off by a bisexual man. For this reason, Male bisexuality can only exist in the closet or down low. As once the Male says he’s bisexual he’s simply regarded as gay by potential women partners and society. This is not an issue if he truly is gay, but it’s a catastrophic problem if he is also attracted to women and falls for women who are turned off by his admitted attraction to men.

I’m noticing the teen early 20’s female generation are less bothered by the Male bisexuality thing. But any men currently over 25 will still be keeping it quiet.

R8 Agreed Millennial women are definitely less turned off from male bisexuality (and actually seem to be encouraging it); it's just older women who might be disgusted by it.

Bisexuals truly are the most discriminated against and socially shunned community in the world. I can't think of any other minority so cruelly put upon and yet so resolutely ignored, by straight and gay alike. And I just can't imagine the pain and suffering endured by our voiceless bisexual brothers and sisters and their feelings of unbearable shame imposed by a callous and ignorant world. One thing is for sure: when it comes to our treatment of this maltreated and downtrodden class, History will find us wanting.

Millennial females are also insisting that their male sexual partners have a penis 7.5 inches or longer. There are going to be a lot of teenagers dealing with rejection and body shaming. I wonder how this will pan out for them?

[quote]Millennials are sick of bisexuals not being represented

So do something about it other than "tweet".

David Bowie later admitted that he was doing the bisexual thing for attention. She left that bit out.

R13 Site your evidence

r14 I'm not r13 but Bowie said on many occasions that his coming out as bisexual was purely a publicity stunt dreamed up by his then wife Angie. He described himself in the late-90s as a closeted heterosexual. I would love Bowie to have been bisexual but it just wasn't true.

While we're on the people on her list: has Billie Joe Armstrong ever actually had a same sex relationship? I don't ever recall seeing any photos or stories about him with another man.

R3 Cis ?

R15 And you don't have any articles claiming this? It seems odd there's NO sources. Also you can be bisexual without having a same sex relationship. The theory bisexuals MUST date this gender and that gender to prove it to people is damaging.

Yeah, 3 of the first10 people she cites as bisexuals are actually fauxsexuals. Bowie, Megan Fox who also claimed bisexuality as a publicity stunt, and Drew Barrymore who does seem to have slept with women but now only wants to be known as straight, (she's said her bisexuality was a "phase").

Bowie was straight. ..but he did a lot for the gays movement just by his music and image so I don't mind so much him faking it. At least he didn't snog guys for publicity the way straight pop tarts snog women now.

R19 Can we have evidence?

LOL, R10. Well done.

And R3...you are so full of stupid bullshit. But your post is the perfect example of why Gay Rights and Trans Rights are not compatible. Both sides can't be right. We don't believe the same things.

Biological sex is the basis for sexual orientation. Homosexuality concerns people of the same biological sex -- it has nothing to do with "perceived gender." A penis fucking a vagina is not a homosexual act...no matter how people "identify."

Do YOU buy Bowie as completely straight?

Mercury was 100% gay!

R21 👏👏

r6, you wrote: "Bisexuality is the attraction to two genders and two genders only; if you're attracted to more than that you could possibly be pansexual." After two genders, what more is there? What is a pansexual open to?

R25 Google is your good friend

I’m pretty sure Mercury was 100% gay! I’ve never heard of him being bi until this questionable list. Not that it matters but don’t start spreading lies, we have enough of those flying around as it is.

r20 Bowie famously told a Rolling Stone interviewer in 1983: "The biggest mistake I ever made was telling that Melody Maker writer that I was bisexual. Christ, I was so young then. I was experimenting …". And then again ten years later (also in Rolling Stone): "I think I was always a closet heterosexual. I didn’t ever feel that I was a real bisexual. It was like I was making all the moves, down to the situation of actually trying it out with some guys […] I wanted to imbue Ziggy with real flesh and blood and muscle, and it was imperative that I find Ziggy and be him. The irony of it was that I was not gay. I was physical about it, but frankly it wasn’t enjoyable. It was almost like I was testing myself. It wasn’t something I was comfortable with at all. But it had to be done."

There are many other interviews where he said much the same thing.

R28 He said "Blender asked Bowie in 2002 whether he still believed his public declaration was his biggest mistake. After a long pause, he said, "I don't think it was a mistake in Europe, but it was a lot tougher in America. I had no problem with people knowing I was bisexual. But I had no inclination to hold any banners nor be a representative of any group of people." Bowie said he wanted to be a songwriter and performer rather than a headline for his bisexuality, and in "puritanical" America, "I think it stood in the way of so much I wanted to do".

So

[quote]So

None of that really contradicts what he said in earlier interviews though. "I had no problem with people knowing I was bisexual" means that he wouldn't have felt the need to lie about the fact that he wasn't one. The idea that he may have gone back into the closet (Bowie of all people!) to placate American audiences would be convincing if he confined his refutations of bisexuality to American publications, but he said much the same in British and European ones too. And for decades.

Besides, "Frankly it wasn't enjoyable" and "It wasn’t something I was comfortable with at all" are fairly unequivocal statements.

[quote] I’m noticing the teen/early 20’s female generation are less bothered by the Male bisexuality thing. But any men currently over 25 will still be keeping it quiet.

I have an older male cousin who at just 33 years old is still terrified of coming out about his same-sex loves, despite his homosexal tendencies being obvious from space and his entire extended family knowing about it. He has recently married a rich woman who wants a baby, and he’s hoping that together they will keep his urges for men at bay the way his last longterm girlfriend (of 10 years) couldn’t.

By comparison, many of my male college friends & classmates still in their early/mid 20s are out as bi; or at least, they say as much, on and offline. Much of this declared homosexuality is cred-garnering, I’m sure, but there’s so many identifying as bi with no angst I think, “they can’t all be lying”.

In one class I took (theater, ofc) at least a dozen of the boys easily & happily claimed to be bi in casual public conversation.

R31 They really aren’t all lying. As another poster said, to be a truly bisexual Male has been probably the worst type of sexual orientation anyone could be. Simply because both the straight and gay worlds call them ‘gays in denial’ and then shun them. As said in another poster, older generations of men simply couldn’t come out as bisexual because it would literally destroy any chances they ever had of finding a female partner ever again.

So none of you are familiar with the works of Alfred Kinsey and his famous Kinsey scale?

I guarantee you that reading up on it will help clear up a lot of the confusion.

Bisexuality doesn't exist. A straight guy won't have sex with a guy. A guy who enjoys sex with a guy is gay. If he happens to fuck a woman, he's still gay. You are always what you primary sexual desire is.

Bisexuals get shit on all the time, but it's extra worse when gays trash bisexuals. People really need to just mind their own fucking business about the way others live their lives. R34 you a particularly egregious.

[quote]Male says he’s bisexual he’s simply regarded as gay by potential women partners and society. This is not an issue if he truly is gay, but it’s a catastrophic problem if he is also attracted to women

Uh, the latter doesn't happen.

[quote]So none of you are familiar with the works of Alfred Kinsey and his famous Kinsey scale? I guarantee you that reading up on it will help clear up a lot of the confusion.

Of course everyone is familiar with this debunked 1950s study. So much more is known now. You really want to base sexuality on 1950s mores from some quack?

R34 you are as ignorant and stupid as straight homophopic men who believe any man who is gay must fancy and want to have sex with them, even when they are obese, hairy apes!

Gay men who say bisexual men are just gay and in denial hold bitterness towards other men who can not only have sexual intercourse with women, but are also able to get married to women and father children. I’d go as far as saying many gay men literally despise bisexual men for this.

Bowie was active in the London gay community in the 1960's. There's plenty of evidence of that. He most likely fucked/ was in relationships with Mick Jagger, Iggy Pop, Lou Reed in the 70's as well as transsexuals such as Romy Haag. He stated he was busexual in several interviews in 1979 when he had long moved away from the Ziggy Stardust image.He wanted to be accepted as a more mainstream entertainer in the 80's and make pots of money so he pretended he'd just been experimenting with men. Of course all the gay/bi rumours went away once he married Iman in the early 90's.

I don't know why there's so much debate about this. I don't know how people can look at him and think he was ever not bi. To me the biggest give away is seeing him in photos with men. He seems to be so much more connected with men than with women.

I wouldn’t feel too sorry for a group who can get turned and have enjoyable sex with a majority of the population. Being gay narrows your pool of potential mates significantly.

R39 Bianca Jagger had stated she caught Jagger and Bowie in bed together and Angie Bowie has said similar. There are many first hand stories circulating from people who knew he was having sex with men in the 60’s and 70’s.

His public U Turn would have almost certainly been to do with how by the 1980’s Bowie was acting in Hollywood films. He would have been told audiences wouldn’t want to watch a man who had stated he’d had sex with men. Even someone as famous as Bowie wouldn’t have been immune to the Hollywood closet treatment.

[quote]I don't know how people can look at him and think he was ever not bi.

Well, maybe he was bi one time or twice. He himself admitted he experimented.

the only biology I've stumbled upon on the subject said folks are either gay or straight, almost no-one's "sex'smell centre" in the brain lights up for both the same sex's pheromones AND for the opposite sex's pheromones. this just as a heads up, beware of the support of biologists. It's a trap. I think bi is more often a social choice than a biological evenness, which I think was down around 1% of the population, people who did test bi. It's usually a choice

R42 once or two thousands, most likely. I've done a bit of research on David Bowie and more mens names than womens came up in the 60's. Of course many of these were for a career come up, but some of them were boyfriends or just for fun.

Personally I think he was more gay orientated than straight, but that's just my opinion. It's interesting that no illlegitimate children have surfaced. Would expect the odd one if he was such a massive womaniser. Of course being with hundreds of women is part of the rock star image but I suspect there were fewer women and more men than it appeared.

It's interesting that we're asked to take Billie Joe Armstrong's claim that he is bisexual at face value and not question the fact that there is zero evidence of anything other than his heterosexuality. And yet Bowie's many public statements categorically denying he was ever bisexual and making it clear in no uncertain terms that he didn't enjoy his experimentation with the same sex, must itself be disregarded even though, like Billie Joe, there is zero evidence of any kind of long term sexual relationships with men. Or short term relationships too, for that matter.

I would love it if Bowie was gay, but it just doesn't seem to have been true. Not that it matters. His art did so much for gay people and that's what's important.

[quote]I would love it if Bowie was gay

God - how spastic!

R45 he contradicted himself on the issue. He said different things at different times, that is true. I wouldn't pay too much attention to what he said in interviews, since he admitted he told lies to the press.

[quote]His art did so much for gay people and that's what's important.

Creepy Bowie fan!

Back in the day, I could tell a Bowie fan/obsessive a mile off.

[quote]I wouldn't pay too much attention to what he said in interviews

But the whole idea that Bowie was bisexual is based entirely on what he said in early interviews. If we ignore what he said in interviews because we don't like to hear what he said (in later interviews) then we're basically back to square one: all evidence suggests Bowie was heterosexual.

Who cares about Bowie?

He was over-rated

and a creep - like the morons who worshipped him.

Look for your role models elsewhere.

[quote]Who cares about Bowie?

Well, the person quoted in the OP, for one.

R49 no it isn't just based on what he said in interviews. There's plenty of other evidence.

[quote]There's plenty of other evidence.

Really? That's fantastic. I was under the impression that the only "evidence", apart from the now refuted early statements, was dubious testimony by total mentalists like Angie Bowie.

R11 they're alt right basement dwellers

R53 well there's quite a few men that claim Bowie had sex with them, or hit on them or whatever, often backed up by other witnesses. Guess it's up to you if you think they're all mentalists or liars. I think the chances of that decline as the numbers go up.Personally I wouldn't call Angie a total mentalist either.

I wouldn't call it 'fantastic' either. It is what it is. Bowie's dead now so it doesn't matter either way.

[quote]well there's quite a few men that claim Bowie had sex with them, or hit on them or whatever, often backed up by other witnesses.

Can you give us a few examples? Just the ones backed up by witnesses.

R8, young women are often quite open-minded when dating. I'd be curious to know if these same women would be equally willing to marry and have kids with a bisexual man.

I'd also like to know if they would be open with family and friend's about their husband's bisexuality. Or is this just like with the trans situation where everyone is "rah, rah" for it but ultimately wouldn't settle down with a trans person.

r57 Male bisexuality seems to be a turn-on if anything for today's young women.

Touchy heterosexual machismo also seems to be a joke for them.

R58 it can be a turn-on if a woman is young and single. Not so great for a young mom saddled with a baby.

Who says today's straight guy is "touchy" and full of "machismo". Straight just means he's attracted to women. I've know some pretty touchy bi guys.

[quote]I've know some pretty touchy bi guys.

Oh there are a few around these parts.

R58 It doesn't matter if they are turned on if they are unwilling to pursue a long term relationship with one. Look at it this way, many men would not marry a woman who has just as many sexual partners as his favorite porn star.

Also if we are going to accept millennials being more accepting of sexuality than we must also accept them changing the definition of it. The new definition of bisexuality that I gave above is the reason you've been seeing monosexual more frequently.

[quote]The new definition of bisexuality that I gave above is the reason you've been seeing monosexual more frequently.

That is literally the first time I've ever seen "monosexual".

I've only seen the monosexual term very recently.

And then of course there are those who find the term bisexual to be offensive...

Bump

There are plenty of heterosexual characters in film and TV. And there are now, thankfully, quite a lot of gay characters in film and TV. What part of the bisexual experience isn't being represented here?

FFS.

The bisexual characters don't need to be represented through gays and heteros R67. The bisexual female characters far outweigh the lesbian ones. Maybe the male bisexuals are fewer though. Not sure.

R67 You sound retarded

r70 Possibly. I'm just curious. What part of the bisexual experience isn't being represented? We have plenty of characters representing opposite sex attraction and same sex attraction. What, specifically, that's so important, is currently being unrepresented?

R71 Those characters.... aren't bisexual?

I agree with R71. What do you need to see? A person being involved in both a same-sex relationship and an opposite-sex relationship?

R73 This is how you know elderqueens are out of touch, that's like telling a biracial person "you don't need representation we already have black and white people on TV". Gays don't represent bisexuals and neither do straight people for the most part.

You don't need representation. We already have black and white people on TV.

r74 But what part of the bisexual experience isn't being represented?

Antagonizing "elderqueens" on anonymous message boards, Rose.

[quote]Gays don't represent bisexuals and neither do straight people for the most part.

That's an interesting way of putting it. Do you think bisexuals are, for the most part, closer to straight people than they are to gay people, then?

To me, bisexuals are just like straight

I understand the strength in numbers from a political point of view but other than that there is no real kinship between bisexuals and homosexuals, these are two separate and distinct sexualities. The idea that the bisexual experience is somehow analogous to the homosexual experience is ludicrous.

There is this consistent undercurrent from bisexuals that homosexuals somehow owe them something, which I think is odd. They always mention how they are shunned in the straight AND gay community, but that begs the question, what of the bisexual community? Why aren't bisexuals ever made to answer for their own actions, or, in this case, inaction? Why is it always somebody else's fault? If you want a strong and supportive bisexual community then go out and build it.

R64...a desire-nature oriented exclusively toward people with Mono?

R56 Calvin Mark Lee.

r82 You said there were "quite a few" (possibly thousands), more men than women, in fact, and "often backed up by other witnesses".

I'm not sure about the exact details of what he's supposed to have done with Calvin Lee, who witnessed it and what they witnessed, but wouldn't he come under the category of, in your words, "career come up"? Probably the sort of experience that Bowie later said he was "not at all comfortable with" and something he didn't enjoy?

R83 confirmed by John Hutchinson (friend/guitarist) and some random guy (sorry can't remember his name) who described Bowie as Calvin's boyfriend. Simon Napier Bell said Bowie was bisexual and had hundreds of one night stands with both sexes. He seemed a bit annoyed that Bowie denied it later on. Tony Visconti (friend/producer) said he picked up one night stands from gay clubs. Why would he do that if it was just for publicity or a career boost?

If you care that much then google it yourself. I did, and found out quite a lot of information. Of course there's no definite proof either way, but then there isn't about a lot of the women he is linked to either. People just accept that without question. Though I do believe he was genuinely attracted to black women, because again the numbers stack up. There's just too many of them, and especially he and Iman seemed to be in love and very happy together.

I'm going to leave it there, because I do sound like an obsessed Bowie fan, but I think he was quite an interesting person all round.

[quote]Simon Napier Bell said

I'm sorry but Simon Napier Bell is about as reliable as Angie Bowie. You should take anything he says with a huge pinch of salt. Tony Visconti I would have much more trouble disbelieving, but I've never read anything by him about Bowie picking up one night stands in gay clubs. Where did he say that, please? I'm assuming this wasn't just early on when Bowie admitted himself he was trying it out with men but ultimately didn't enjoy it and was in fact quite uncomfortable?

[quote]If you care that much then google it yourself. I did, and found out quite a lot of information.

No, I'm more interested in the certainty and scope of your claim that Bowie possible had thousands of male lovers, was more gay than straight, had more male than female lovers, and that there are very many documented cases of his gay relationships often backed up by others. I'm interested because everything I've ever read about him suggests that he fucked a lot of women, has had many documented relationships with women, tried sex with men a few times in his youth, came out as bisexual/gay as a publicity stunt dreamt up by the totally mental Angie and spent the last three decades of his life making it perfectly clear that he was heterosexual. I just find the disparity between your claim and public record quite interesting. As I say, I would love it if Bowie was gay, so I'm interested in your sources x