So black people are considering Issa Rae "cancelled"

Black straight people are the first to cry "intersectionalism" to the faces of white women and gay men, but they're actually the first ones to need a lecture on it.

We have a thread:

This is DL sweetheart not LSA.

R2 Not the same thing

r4, it's closely related topic about the same person

[Quote] Basically they're upset due the fact Hollywood is portraying black men in a bad light. They want to be strong and great, not feminine and weak.

R5 Closely related and the same are different. One is discussing the show the other is people's reactions. If you're so concerned bump that thread and leave this one.

I'm confused is this topic about black men or Issa Rae...what did she do?

Also black men are doing a lot better than black women in Hollywood. Black men are getting main roles in different genres out side of just being "black" or "black" movies. Black women are still stuck doing typical or stereotypical roles. Black Panther is coming out for Jesus Christ. Moonlight won an oscar! There's Luke Cage on Netflix. House of Cards. I mean the list goes on with the opportunities black men have been getting in Hollywood.

I mean, once a black woman is the lead in an action, adventure, or science fiction movie then they made it But now they're still doing "black" movies, and/or black historical movies.

Everything, Everything is the only movie I can think of where the black girl wasn't the typical black girl...she wasn't even black but bi-racial. That's another thing, light skinned biracial black women get more opportunities than black women, or dark skinned black women.

Nope-black men are doing fine. Just fine.

This is not LSA

Issa has beautiful teeth! Are they her own or veneers? Just perfect.

I’d say Issa Rae is doing a good job for black men, convincing the writers on her show that her character needs to fuck three or four of them a week. Keeps hot black guys employed.

The guy is a loon. Just listen to him. He's upset about the "feminization" of black men by making a character bisexual. He says he has no problem with people who are "gay" (sex within your own gender) because no one has a right to "judge" the "lifestyle" that you "choose". But a black man who is bisexual is a real man acting feminine and untrustworthy in an era where black men are under attack.

Girl, please.

Bump

So, one guy's thinly veiled (and we're talking almost no veil at all) homophobic rant somehow = "black people." Because all black people are the same and therefor whatever one guy does, it stands in for all of them?

So, how was your march in Charleston, OP? Have fun?

R14 Actually that's just one of many rants, the video was just an example unless you want me to post every video?

It's funny because the vulnerable men were exactly the reason I was so gripped by this show and cringed every time they started acting like the creator of that video wants them to act all the time. It's also why I love porn with black gay men; I've never seen such tenderness elsewhere.

Deep down, this is simply about toxic masculinity that gives rise to both homophobia and misogyny. The "chosen lifestyle" bit always gives it away. And I'm sorry, sweetheart, but I don't intend to support my own oppression in order to boost women of colour. It's just not happening.

I so WANT to like this show, but it's just that her character is so "Insecure" that it sucks ALL of the humor out of it. In fact, most scenes WITHOUT her character are hilarious. I had such high hopes tho.

I'm so sick of the "I DON"T need a man to validate me" but "I actually DO need a man to validate me" bullshit. On TV and in reality.

[quote]It's also why I love porn with black gay men;

See the problem I have with Black gay porn is the lack of tenderness. It seems like every one I watch is like an athletic event instead of two people just fucking in the moment--rarely do I see actual affection. No kissing or sensuality but A LOT of the n-word. I FUCKING hate when I hear “ooh nigga, hit that.”

I’m not a prude and use the n-word quite often just not while I’m having sex. Of course, it could just be the preference of the person who’s loaded the free porn that I’m watching...

[quote]Moonlight won an oscar!

An Oscar? Moonlight won THE Oscar! Not some minor category, something Brokeback Mountain failed to do and soon to be repeated by Call Me By Your Name.

[Quote] I'm so sick of the "I DON"T need a man to validate me" but "I actually DO need a man to validate me" bullshit. On TV and in reality.

Sounds like Sex & The City.

[quote]I mean, once a black woman is the lead in an action, adventure, or science fiction movie then they made it

Come see me in my new movie, Proud Mary, in which I play the title role of a hitwoman for the Boston mob. Opening January 12.

[quote]Sounds like Sex & The City

Exactly but SATC is way more subtle about it than “Insecure.” Carrie was fine with herself, and it was the men that were the problem, but Issa's character thinks she must the problem....at least in the first season.

What r14 said. You take some black youtube video and that equals "black people"? Yikes.

This thread was started by a shit-stirring racist who is very bored this holiday.

[Quote] Carrie was fine with herself, and it was the men that were the problem

Carrie acted like a psycho when it came to Big. Like when she stalked him and his mother at church.

That Youtube video leads into a rabbit hole of other similar channels and the ignorance and hatred is shocking. Wow.

R16, you lost me at toxic masculinity. If ever there was a "girl, please" moment!

R23 = Miss Cleo. She'll divine your intentions and ascribe them in the most malicious light possible.

Re: Proud Mary. It needs to acknowledge exploitation films and then transcend them, making the lead a three dimensional woman connected to some kind of reality and not a Mary Sue who can do no wrong and can punch out a 300 pound man with a flick of her pinky. Fingers crossed.

Thug porn is as embarrassing as gay for play porn, more so. This kind of homophobia really corners the SJW Oppression Olympics idea. Blacks can be racist AF to other minorities, so can trannies, and Asians and.... and.... well, nobody's perfect!

Yeah R26 BUT.....Henson is such a fucking terrible actress. LORD forgive me, I loves me some Taraji since the beginning of her career but....she should stick with Empire.

Minorities, and that includes white gays, are never going to be happy with their portrayals in film and on TV. There was a time when black actors hated that they could only get jobs as pimps and hos and criminals. Then Hollywood went to the other extreme and then they could only get roles as doctors, lawyers, and judges. I have yet to see a gay character in film or television that wasn't trashed in some way by gay people.

There is no one black experience or one gay experience and writers rooms aren't bulging with diversity so you just sit back and hope that someone writes something that gets it right. I like Issa and hope that this is a success for her. But I do hope that we reach a point where gay writers and writers of color can tell a wide assortment of stories for a wide assortment of characters, then maybe you won't have people bitching and complained about representation all the time.

the comments at the Youtube link pretty much sound like right wing talking points and yet this is pretty much mainstream thinking in the black community.

Heh, other posts by r29.

[quote]Top FBI official assigned to Mueller’s Russia probe said to have been removed after sending anti-Trump texts

[quote]EXCLUSIVE: Bill Clinton is facing NEW accusations of sexual assault by four women

You ain't fooling anyone.

And? What's so bizarre about those posts?

You're so funny!

The person in the video wants exclusively positive images of black mean -- accuracy and realism are values that are completely secondary.

r21

The remake of "Gloria" starring Gena Rowlands with Taraji P and I'm all for it.

Love Taraji although I felt she was miscast in "Hidden Figures".

It's time we stop pretending that there isn't a strong vein of vocal homophobia in black culture. I have had black guys admit it to me. Somehow if you bring this up they shut you down as "racist'. And we are all supposed to pretend it doesn't exist?....please!

They said the same thing about Alice Walker’s “The Color Purple” which some people consider a classic.

The black community normalized calling women hos. ☹️

It's much easier to cry victim .... while all the while ignoring your own prejudices.

Totally off subject… I’m sick of watching black people in McDonald’s commercials. Why the fuck does the music playing always have to be ghetto playing in the background? Like oh motherfucker I’m a eat this motherfucking big mac. They don’t play white music when white people are in the commercial wtf?!

Yes...so blacks don't mind being portrayed, even by themselves, as druggie gangsters treating women as whore's etc but portray them as less than straight and they meltdown.

OP - So a 12 minute rant by someone who can't be bothered to hold the camera steady is now the voice of the black community?

I suggest you go back to worrying about towel dancing, it seems more your speed.

R39. Are you black?

There are two other YouTube videos on the right side saying the same thing

Christ those comments are so homophobic. “Celebricoons”?

Wow. When will black men and women stop hating each other?

[quote] What [R14] said. You take some black youtube video and that equals "black people"? Yikes.

This thread was started by a shit-stirring racist who is very bored this holiday.

[quote] [R14] Actually that's just one of many rants, the video was just an example unless you want me to post every video?

[quote] It's much easier to cry victim .... while all the while ignoring your own prejudices.

Which community does the white supremacist bullshit posted by a majority of white gay men represent?

Are you folks under the impression that there is a shortage of white homophobes posting comments and uploading videos. The difference being that when the Steve Anderson's are discussed. We don't make it about race. No one ask the question why is the white community doing this? Why is the majority of the white community voting for the anti gay Republican Party?

[quote] The black community normalized calling women hos.

That's the equivalent of saying the white community normalized calling women sluts or the gay community normalized calling women cunts. Misogynistic slurs are not the norm in any community. And if you believe that it is. Try going up to any woman and using one of those slurs. You will quickly find out how normal it is.

How about any series about straight women focus on the women and their own lives, how they can become independent human beings, without feeling they aren't complete without a man and the same goes for gay men. How about a series about people learning it's OK to be alone. Not forever, but a series showing people it's perfectly fine to be single and happy? I really that that concept would actually be ground breaking.

Of course, this won't fly, not on cable, because cable shows always require lots of naked bodies. OK, how about showing straight women and gay men on cable series showing that having emotion free sex is perfectly OK?

The fact is, it doesn't matter if the characters are gay, straight, black, white, Latino, whatever, single people are always depicted as miserable and that isn't always the case.

Issa Rae isn't even African American. She's of African descent/American born from Senegalese immigrants.

To whites, the rift between both groups won't be apparent but there are many Black Americans who think African Americans (from African parents) can't understand or portray American blackness. Yes it is confusing because of the term "African American" but let's just put it this way: There were many African Americans who thought Obama as a son of an immigrant didn't necessarily have the same "black card/black American experience" as say Michelle did.

Many Africans and people from the Caribbean (black immigrants) also don't necessarily want to be lumped in with American blacks neither. Both groups (black Americans) and (black immigrants) look down on each other.

I love Issa Rae. Yes to male actors having the film world more open to them than women. Also yes to homophobia in the black community - however I do see a lot of progress as the Boomers become the elders. They arent having that old time religion as an excuse for hate on their kids or their kid’s, kid’s.

If there is a “political rant” video from a person of color that mirrors something identical from a right winger i wouldnt even bother to post about it. Like in here. Right now. Goddamn Bots and Trolls.

Totally off topic, but she looks like she lost about 40lbs and now looks like a completely different person.

This is ridiculous. My ex is black, and he (and lots of other AA people) loved the novels of E. Lynn Harris, who's most common theme is about life among bisexual and/or down low men. Harris died in 2009, but his works (which were very popular) first appeared in the early 90s. All black people do not share a collective opinion. Geez.

[quote]Many Africans and people from the Caribbean (black immigrants) also don't necessarily want to be lumped in with American blacks neither. Both groups (black Americans) and (black immigrants) look down on each other.

I think it comes down to class. Little reported fact: In terms of undergrad and graduate degrees, first and second generation Africans (and this includes everyone from Trevor Noah and Lupita Nyong'o to Issa Rae and Barack Obama) are the most educated demographic in the US surpassing even Asian Americans. Can't link right now but this is from a Pew Research survey. Of course they'll look down at American blacks who they feel don't place as much value on education.

R44 The Mary Tyler Moore Show

[quote]The Mary Tyler Moore Show

I was actually talking about shows on cable, people who pay for premium cable seem to require nudity. They figure, if they're paying extra for premium channels, WTF are they paying extra for, they want more than what they can see on broadcast TV. Even a series set in medieval times, such as GOT, features nudity.

MTM, even though she was a happy career woman, was still shown dating and worrying about not being in a relationship. While not worrying as much as her good friend Rhoda, Mary did care.