Secret celebrity gay couples - past and present

Bradley Cooper and Victor Garber

Gyllenhaal and Lance Armstrong.

Michael Pitt and Joseph Gordon Levitt. (sp?)

Two of the Hobbits in Lord of the Rings. Would like to know which ones.

Anthony Perkins and Grover Dale

Richard Armitage and lee pace.

Hugh jackman and the queeny bitch ex john palmero.

[quote]Tab Hunter and Tony Perkins

Before or after Roddy McDowall?

Whitney huston and robin or robyn. But weren't really a secret.

Gail and Oprah?

Tom Cruise and Paul Newman......

John Derek and Miles O'Keefe.

Seth MacFarlane and Patrick Stewart

Ronald Reagan and Bonzo

Kim kardashian and britney spears licked eachothers pussies.

R14 When did that happen?

R15 back when kim was starting out, she was a high end hooker. She got around.

R16 Lol learn something new everyday.

James Buchanan and William Rufus King

Didn't Kim have a hooking partner with that Gastineau girl? Everyone seems to be whoring it these days.

R3 please refer to R5 for your answer. You're welcome.

R3 - actually it's one Elf king and a dwarf in the Hobbit films. Answer is at R5.

Rdj hooked up with corey haim.

Ian mckellen said there were 19 gays in the hobbit films not counting him, richard, lee and the 17 others? Do you bitches know? Ooh I hope Aiden turner is at least bi.

well, obviously Elijah Wood r23

Marjorie Maine & Spring Byinton Hurd Hatfield &Yul Brynner

J. Edgar Hoover and Clyde Tolson

Chris Meloni and Lee Tergesen, allegedly

Kaye Ballard and Liz Smith

Abe Lincoln and Joshua Speed

Nick Adams and Bob Conrad

Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy

Ryan Seacrest and Simon Cowell

Liz Smith and Holland Taylor, McBongo and Cole Hauser, Debbie Reynolds and Agnes Moorehead, Joan Crawford and Tallulah Bankhead, Alla Nazimova and Ona Munson, Garbo and Mecedes D'Acosta, Dietrich and Mercedes D'Acosta, Keanne Eagels and Merceces D'Acosta (she really got around..), Holland Taylor and Stephanie Faracy, Garbo and Lilyan Tashman, and I'll always wonder if/suspect that Olivia Newton John and Karen Carpenter were friends with benefits

Stanwyck and Crawford

Bert and Ernie

Kate Hepburn and Laura Harding.

Betty White and who ??? You KNOW she wasn't fucking Ludden

Speeeencer and who ??? Cukor.

Dean Cain? I know he's a republican and has a kid but I never heard he was gay or bi. It's hot to imagine him naked, his butt is so plump.

Burt Reynolds and who ??

CNR, Dom Deluise, the little guy From evening shade, the stunt guy.

Burt Reynolds and Hal Needham

Kim K and lala. she used to have 3somes with her nba husband.

Alexander Hamilton and who ??

George Washington and who ??

Eleanor Roosevelt and Lorena Hickok

Alexander Hamilton and John Laurens

Gary Cooper and Anderson Lawler. Mary Martin and Janet Gaynor.

Bart Simpson and Milhouse van houten

George Washington and the Marquis deLafayette

George Washington and Baron Friedrich Wilhelm von Stuben

Jesus and Judas

Ava and Lena

Lots of wishful thinking on this thread

R46 Emperor Wilhelm II and Philipp , Prince of Eulenburg

Chip and Dale

John Lennon and Paul McCartney

(and it's been reported reliably as an open secret for at least a decade)

Ryan Seacrest and Derek Hough

Is there any truth to the old story about Laurence Olivier and Danny Kaye, or was that a canard after all?

Wasn’t President Abe Lincoln gay?

First Rose Cleveland (Grover's sister) and Evangeline Marrs Simpson Whipple

R55 me I got off my ass and actually searched instead of being dumb.

Mrs Butterworth and Aunt Jemima

Darren Hayes and Daniel Jones

Ronald Reagan and Randolph Scott

Bea Benederet and ?

Sal Mineo and Bobby Sherman

[R61] When Bea found out she was dying my Mom was on the bestseller list and she wanted them both to come out together. (Mom was always talking Bea into stuff). Mom even made contact with a reporter from that new underground newspaper The Advocate. This was in late '66 or '67. They teased that they were going to out a major sitcom star. Then Bea's family bought off my Mom. It was a complex negotiation with another family involved. The Advocate tease may have been the cause of some Lucy rumors. Mom hated Lucy so she didn't care about that at all.

Mariska Hargitay and Hilary Swank

Jodie Foster / Kelly McGillis / Whitney Houston (What is the story there? Was there a fight? Who won?) Tab Hunter / Anthony Perkins. They even went to awards shows together with their beards in tow. Lily Tomlin / Jane Wagner Carol Burnett / Julie Andrews (not sure about this one, but heard it several times.)

[quote]Dean Cain and Dan Cortese (being fuckbuddies) in the 90s.

I don't know. Do fuck buddies really do the finger pointing thing?

So...Is Dean Cain bi? He hardcore made out with a female friend of mine ( behind closed doors and she said he was very excited . This is only about 12 years ago )

I can certainly see what Marlon Brando saw in Wally Cox. Once Wally took his top off and got out of his nerd getup he was surprisingly hot. Here he is carrying Brando on the beach.

And Brando was probably the sexiest thing to ever walk on two legs back in the day.

So Brando sucked Cox?

Cockgobbler Aaron Schock and Rep. Adam Kinzinger

Lady Gaga and florence welch

Pitt the Younger and William Wilberforce Napoleon Bonaparte may have had male lovers too, including his aide Duroc

I love historical gay gossip.

[quote]So Brando sucked Cox?

Rihanna and her friend who's always photographed holding her hand is her fuck buddy. They're always together. Wherever rih goes you see her.

Lauren Hutton - Beverly D'Angelo

After a fight at "their" LA apt in the 1990s, D'Angelo ran over Lauren's foot with her car. Police report and lawsuit. Beverly isn't (wasn't) so much gay as a promiscuous bi-polar mess. Lauren is gay, and is (was) a drugged up mess.

gale harold and randy harrison

Van Hansis and Tyler Hanes.

Tom Hiddleston and Kenneth Branagh.

RDJ and Daniel Craig.

RDJ and James Spader.

RDJ and Charlie Sheen's brother.

Seth MacFarlane and Patrick Stewart.

Taylor Lautner and Patrick Schwarzenegger.

Chris Evans and Sebastian Stan.

Michael J.Fox and Bruce Willis.

Barack Obama and Kal Penn.

Tom Cruise and Paul Newman.

Michael Pitt and JGL.

Lukas Haas and Michael Stipe.

[Quote] Chris Evans and Sebastian Stan. Barack Obama and Kal Penn.

LOL ok

And the insane foreign stalker fraus are back at R77. Fascinating in that is the one example where the Fraus are arguing the stars are gay (or bi) and the Gays are arguing "no, he's straight."

Condoleezza Rice and Bar Bush

These are from legit gossip (with receipts in some cases) before DL went to the dogs by being overrun by fraus and shallow, empty-headed millennials.

Matthew McConaughey and Cole Hauser

Jake Gyllenhaal and Austin Nichols

Jodie Foster and Kelly McGillis

Whitney Houston and Kelly McGillis

Leonardo DiCaprio and Lukas Haas

Leonardo DiCaprio and Bradley Cooper

Bradley Cooper and Victor Garber

Bradley Cooper and Liam Neeson

Chris Meloni and Lee Tergesen

George Clooney and Mark Wahlberg (allegedly)

George Clooney and Rande Gerber

Kevin Spacey and Colin Farrell

Jared Leto and Colin Farrell

Jared Leto and Alexis Arquette (when he was male)

Keanu Reeves and Gus van Sant

Keanu Reeves and River Phoenix

Keanu Reeves and Gavin Rossdale

Bruce Willis and Michael J. Fox

Bruce Willis and Aaron Carter

Paul Newman and James Dean

The Rock and Seann William Scott

John Travolta and Sly Stallone (allegedly)

John Travolta and Gerard Deperdieu

Aaron Rogers and Nick Jonas (allegedly)

James Franco and Scott Haze

Explain how you went from "legit gossip with receipts" to "allegedly" R83

[quote] The Rock and Seann William Scott

Really? Also, I resent the title 'empty-headed millenial'. Not young and dumb, just young here.

[quote] Dean Cain and Dan Cortese (being fuckbuddies) in the 90s.

God the thought of those two together at their 90s peak-hotness makes my boner hurt. Too bad cell phone cameras weren't around back then.

R83 Sounds suspiciously like AO3 pairings.

Because I just googled it and I suspect many other DLers will too-- this is the AO3 of which R88 speaks

So is Kim K. like an open secret when it comes to her bisexuality? What about her young sis that's supposed to be the down low lesbian, Kendall J. ?

Gillian Anderson and every female that worked in Hollywood especially if they were exotic or light skinned black girls.

lol that fan site is a goldmine.

Angie Dickinson and Suzanne Pleshette; their affair taking place years after the two played rivals in ROME ADVENTURE (1962).

MGM designer Adrian and Francis Taylor (Elizabeth Taylor's father).

Marlene Dietrich & Claudette Colbert

Guy Madison and Rory Calhoun

Lee Majors and Rock Hudson

Marlene and Claudette, what a power couple.

Brandon deWilde and Paul Newman

Paul Newman and Robert Wagner

r76, wasn't that when D'Angelo was with Pacino.

Paul Newman and Tony Perkins

Cary Grant and Randy Scott

Was Paul Newman actually into guys? I mean, can we rely on that piece of info as fact?

Rande Gerber & George Clooney

r103, never heard it anywhere but here.

R103

My understanding is that he was bisexual. Allegedly the only woman though that he had an affair with while married to (2nd wife) Woodward was Nancy Bacon.

Matthew McConaughey and the Mirror from SNOW WHITE.

Earl Holliman and George Maharis

NO, R100, many years before. And she wasn't exactly "with" Pacino, she just agreed to conceive.

Who's the woman with the TEETH, R96?

Thing and Cousin It?

R103, Newman was not and never was bisexual except in the dreams of Darwin Porter.

Robert Francis and James Dean

Daniel J. Travanti & George Maharis

Brian Bloom and Matt LeBlanc

r109, they were together from 1996-2003

Is Wally Cox the guy that was rumored to have a huge cock?

Abe Vigoda and Danny DeVito

Jonah Hill and Seth Rogen

Lois Griffin and Marge Simpson

Ed Asner and Walter Matthau

Leslie Jones and Danielle Brooks

Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck

Sara Gilbert and???

Sara Gilbert claims she was particularly confused at about 18 when she begin her first relationship with a female. She claims this female was well known and was 13 years older than her. So I got the year this was happening to 1993 and the women as being born in 1962.

My initial thoughts were Kristy McNicholl who was appearing on Empty Nest at this time and also born in 62. However, Jodie Foster and Rosie O’Donnell were also born in 62 and well known at the time too.

My gut feeling tells me it was Kristy McNicholl though.

These two fellas...

Mr Wimple and Juan Valdez

James Franco and Seth Rogen were probably fuck buddies at some point. They’re way too close, they’re always working together and whenever they do, the homoerotic jokes abound, and they have great chemistry.

DW and Helga (Hey Arnold)

Tommy and Chucky

Thomas and Percy

Roger the Alien and Brian the Dog

One I heard back in the day was Kevin Spacey and Ashton Kutcher (when Ashton was still on That 70s Show)

Brad Pitt and Alain Delon were supposedly an item in Biarritz one summer

My friend was at a gym in Hollyood and saw Malcolm Jamal-Warner and Jason Gould going at it in the sauna

Brad Pitt hit on and got gently turned down by Eric Bana.

Tell us more, R130 please, how do you know this?

Right, R115. This was earlier.

Only on the Datalounge, R116.

R129

Jason was such a cute child

Bud Abbott and Lou Costello

Charlie Weaver and Paul Lynde

They used to do it in Rose Marie's square after the show

Charlie was a scat queen

For r103

timberlake and diddy

oh please, who didn't kevin spacey fuck? He fucking grabbed everyone he could every five fucking minutes.

I did NOT fuck Kevin Spacey for roles! I did NOT!!!!!

Daniel Craig and andy cohen, remember those vacation pics?

Brad Pitt: I'm extremely knowledgeable about architecture and public housing and have innate talent that needs to be tapped.

"America believes I'm a happily married, heterosexual family man" - John Travolta

Sean Avery and Andy Cohen

Another DL thread meld.

Alec Baldwin and his agent from the early days. J.michael bloom

I know of a team that I suspect but I don't want to say because I'm afraid if I mention it, you queens will let it leak and it will ruin their show (via nervous nelly TV execs) which I thoroughly enjoy every Friday.

Who's the cutie in R139's photo? I think that's Robert Wagner in back of him.

r147, who?

There have been rumors about Paul Newman being gay since the 70s at least. Usually in the Star Magazine/ National Enquirer.

Yogi and Boo-Boo

R148 wrote:

[quote]Who's the cutie in [R139]'s photo? I think that's Robert Wagner in back of him.

Jefferey Hunter

For you [R149]:

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Jeffrey Hunter was not gay nor bisexual. Wagner is a notorious bisexual.

The H5O guys, right?

R149.

Keanu Reeves and Gus Van Sant.

Leo and Toby.

Tallulah Bankhead and Hattie MacDaniel

Ryan Seacrest and Ryan Seacrest's reflection.

It's useless expecting gossip on dl, everytime someone writes something PR-unfriendly about a celeb, people like r111 come in; how I hate them. It's especially bad with celebs of the past and older ones.

Barney and Fred

Gary Coleman and Conrad Bain

Haywood Nelson and Woody Allen

Marlon Brando and Scatman Crothers

WC Fields and Tab Hunter

Carrol O' Connor and Sidney Poitier

[quote]These are from legit gossip (with receipts in some cases) before DL went to the dogs by being overrun by fraus and shallow, empty-headed millennials.

[quote]Explain how you went from "legit gossip with receipts" to "allegedly" [R83]

“Overrun by fraus and shallow, empty-headed millennials” means I’m 67-years old and STILL believe that every good-looking white male actor is in the closet and I refuse to evolve despite everything around me--including the Datalounge--doing it.

When did you turn into your parents R83?

klklifweoif

Christopher Walken and Robert Wagner.

Ryan Seacrest was merv griffens little boy toy slave. anyone that does not know that has helen keller disease marlon brando and walley cox. another very well known fact in hollywood Will Smith and any model actor guy who can stand the stench.. the guy is a whore for sex and yes. Paul Newman. his wife has always been his beard. i was told when he would meet a guy for sex. the wife would meet also and then go to adjoining room so it could always be claimed they were all three in a meeting. lastly , Hugh Jackman, and his dyke wife. friend was escort gay for pay off rent men , was supposed to stay in los ang as his new asst. last min he got dumped. by hugh, but he did fly him back to newyork firstclass

Deep in the Hundred Acre Wood

Where Christopher Robin plays,

You'll find mounds of mounds of evidence

That Piglet and Pooh are both gays

Can't remember their names because I don't watch the show, but two of the guys from Teenwolf were supposedly a couple for a couple of years.

r150

"There have been rumors about Paul Newman being gay since the 70s at least. Usually in the Star Magazine/ National Enquirer."

That's because Newman was trying to get financing for "The Front Runner" about a relationship between an male coach and male runner. Play gay = makes an actor gay in some people's minds.

Newman was a nice guy, a nice Jewish guy, who was touchy feely with everyone like Al Franken. Not gay or bi.

No, [R149] not who *I* meant. But could be so I think but only because Otter's Pop would kill him or die trying. Decipher [R153] (Not very difficult trust me) and you will know exactly who I am talking about. But again, it is just my opinion, YMMV

Sammy Davis, Jr. and... ...who?

Henry c. And jake g.

R52, do you have any details that you've heard about their relationship? I never know what to think about their relationship.

Tom Hanks and Peter Scolari have been secret lovers for years and their marriages to women are essentially of the old Greco-Roman "women for babies, men for enjoyment" ideal, considering one of them actually married a Greek woman.

There are no details, R171. Lennon and McCartney were straight guy friends. R52 is deluded.

It was Brian Epstein who had eyes for Lennon.

People can debate me about this all they want, but the evidence is overwhelming:

Harry Styles and Louis Tomlinson

[quote] Sammy Davis, Jr. and... ...who?

Richard Nixon?

Well, what can I say? The man has taste.

[quote] Sammy Davis, Jr. and... ...who?

Or was it Carroll O'Connor?

Matt LeBlanc getting it on with any guy would be hot. He's gotten more handsome with age.

Meh. Rita Moreno's not the reason [italic]Top of the Heap[/italic] was anything but.

[Quote] Can't remember their names because I don't watch the show, but two of the guys from Teenwolf were supposedly a couple for a couple of years.

Well that narrows it down lol

These two I don't for sure

James Dean and Marlon Brando

Marlon Brando & Montgomery Clift

Martin Gore and Dave Gahan

Hell Martin Gore and the whole group

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r174 is correct, though (as John said) it was never consummated. r173, eat a peach. I report only what I've heard, not the veracity thereof, and everyone I have ever spoken to (on the odd occasion when it came up) has talked about it as though it was something everybody knew, with not a trace of a wink or sarcasm about it.

r187, Nixon was family?!!!!! There's one I never heard before.

R188 were these people generally in the recording industry, or their friends, or what? Also what's the timeline here, were they a couple through the Beatles heyday, or earlier?

Chalk me up as another who has wondered about them for a long time. But then there are all those consistent denials from Paul, and the " John maybe wanted to, but no way Paul would". I ended up thinking of it as a codependent friendship-rivalry-psychosexual jealousy hash.

Not exactly a 'couple', but Robert Latourneaux said Christopher Walken was one of his clients when he was escorting

r190: a bit of both. People in the recording industry showed no surprise when I brought it up at times when all were exchanging gossip (there's always at least one corner of the party which might as well come with the label "If you can't say something nice about somebody, come sit by me"), and their friends were usually the ones to hint at it first, although they'd play it very coy when they did so.

I'm given to understand that they were practically in love from the time they met, not that they would admit it to themselves or each other in that era with its prevailing mindset, and that they became lovers physically during the initial "Beatlemania." It continued off and on until John died. I should also emphasize that the sex was just a small part of a very intense relationship. Calling it "codependent" (and, I would argue, "psychosexual") is [italic]very[/italic] on the mark, at least from what I've heard.

Then you must have been born in 1990, r189.

R192 well, bloody hell. Do come sit by me because there is so much I'd like to talk about! It's interesting you say it went on intermittently until John's death, as by that point their lives had separated in so many ways. I didn't buy into the narrative about the John - Paul duel (on a personal level) past 1971 or so. It appears they were more in touch than previously thought. I wonder how much Linda knew then? I read something from a later interview where she said that she wished she had pushed Paul to communicate with John more, in a "if I knew then what I know now" way. I also wonder what George and Ringo thought.

It's easy to see Paul is still heartbroken, and he's said many times he should have told John how much he loved him. Their chemistry is intensely romantic ( tipping into unhealthy sometimes) and on some level I think that's what's kept audiences and rock journalists fascinated by the Beatles story. And then there are the things strictly- friends can't explain -- why does Paul repeatedly bring up Paris, and Key West, and what happened in/around India to cause the rift to escalate, and etc etc etc. that's not even including the songs.

Paul - write your tell-all already. I know you won't though.

I forgot to sign the above, I'm r190. By the way r192, how does such an old topic of gossip come up at parties? And is there anything else you can share?

I'm surprised no one said Jessica Biel.

who did Jessica Biel have a gay relationship with?

1) If for some dastardly reason I find the sweaty palm of fame carrying me away from my ordered life of illegal drugs, porn, The Rolling Stones boots from the 70s and the occasional foray to my QFC 24 hour superstore to buy protein on the graveyard shift, I am reporting everything that happens to me here. That way there can be no bitchery about the facts. 2) Jesus and Judas and anything with a heartbeat near Golgatha. I mean, knowing you were gonna get nailed to a cross until you snuffed it would make anybody barmy. 3) Paul and John I have a hard time believing. Because they remained so "Northern." But just because I can't accept it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Following up on [R168] as suggested by the Moderator of another board

Whitney houston and madge.

r190 / r194 / r195 (racking up quite the impressive count there, I must say): Paul, in his closest personal relationships at least (on a business footing, he can be a money-grubbing tightwad, and now you know how he became the richest musician in the UK), is honest, and I don't think he would have entered his marriage to Linda without being upfront about his past. Recorded in many Beatles books is the fact that they had a fight the evening before the wedding and almost called it quits; I think if anything could spark such a fight, it might be learning that a) your fiancé had been carrying on an affair with his best friend, partner, and collaborator -- whom he saw and worked with every day -- for over a decade before he met you, and b) it wouldn't be so easy as him committing to you and only you for the rest of his life. (John didn't let people go very well, hence the wounded pride that found its way into the pop press over much of 1970/71.) Processing and dealing with that when you think you know a person, even as things were growing more permissive and open-minded? It's heavy. Luckily, she stuck by him and came to understand it; I'm not sure how many people in her position would have.

I doubt that George and Ringo were too surprised. They spent years together in close quarters, as [italic]A Hard Day's Night[/italic] put it, "in a train and a room, and a car and a room, and a room and a room." I feel for some reason like Ringo would be more easygoing about it; even with his many vices over the years, "peace and love" has always been his basic vibe. But that would be speculation on my part -- I don't know for sure how they felt.

Re: tell-alls, I understand through the grapevine that Paul has written some stuff down. He's been debating for several years whether or not to publish it, but if he does, he is determined it will be posthumously. I understand he doesn't want to be stuck answering questions about it for the rest of his life, and also, when both of John's wives were alive (RIP Cynthia), he didn't want to "rock the boat" with regard to business or interpersonal relations. (Let slip that the John and Yoko myth was basically exactly that after around four or five years into the marriage, with a brief rekindling of the flame for a couple of years when Sean was born, and it could rock a few foundations.)

Such an old topic of gossip came up when The Beatles were the subject of interest. At the most recent party where this topic came up, the [italic]Sgt. Pepper[/italic] box set had just come out, and everyone was talking about listening to the new mixes. It drifted naturally into whatever stories anyone remembered about meeting the Fabs or the role the music played in their lives, and then ebbed naturally into gossip as they discussed points of biography. (All celebrities start off fans of someone at some point, and they never really lose that; they just get better at hiding it.) Some people had more details than others, in some cases [italic]way[/italic] more details than I would expect some people to know (which is why I always give the caveat that it's just what I've heard, not that I can prove it), so I'd assume it's been a topic of discussion for a long time.

Thank you for your open-mindedness, r198. To be honest, I always suspected something funny about Jesus and Judas myself. Somehow, in the rush to abandon an oppressive religion, everybody missed the narrative of the authorities arresting a guy caught kissing another guy in what he thought to be a secluded place and putting him to death. Sadly, that story gets retold a lot more often than one would care to know.

R201 thanks for such a thorough response. I hadn't thought of that angle to the pre-wedding fight. I know Paul had said they'd both come clean about their wild oats, but I didn't think he'd be open to the point of telling her about John (who was hardly "wild oats" to him) and that too, before the wedding. The model Maggie whatshername said Paul was developing a case of cold feet so I thought it was about that.

Agree any revelations will be posthumous, so hopefully not for many years yet. Also agree re: the JohnandYoko myth. With the Lost Weekend shenanigans becoming common knowledge one would think the myth has been put to rest, but who knows.

Thanks again for the info. Hope you have a Merry Christmas (if you celebrate).

Linda certainly had some wild oats to come clean about; let's just say she didn't just photograph all of those musicians in those coffee table books they published of her work. But, one must understand, it was the Sixties, the age of the pill, when the only STDs one could catch were gone with a jab of penicillin, and everybody was trying [italic]some[/italic]thing.

Maggie McGivern's the name you were looking for. She's a very perceptive woman; I'm given to understand that possibly there was some cold feet on Paul's part, but I would wager it dealt largely with John rather than being worried about committing to the marriage itself.

As for the Lost Weekend, I agree. Gotta thank May Pang for setting the record straight on that count; true, there was some carousing and drinking, but when his head [italic]was[/italic] screwed on tight, it was also one of the most productive times of his solo career -- three albums, his only #1 solo single during his lifetime, collaborations with everybody from Bowie to Nilsson to Ringo -- and, as he put it to a journalist friend, "I may have been the happiest I've ever been."

Maggie Mcgivern it was. I can't speak to her perception of anything else, I just remember reading Paul asked if she'd like to get married and she thought he was joking so said no? I could be wrong.

Certainly it was a more productive time for him and he looked healthier, but the degree of carousing seemed excessive - someone on DL posted book excerpts that discussed John's episodes of letting loose in many ways, and the sad state of him at home afterwards once back with Yoko. It was the 70s, I know, but it was all a bit too much even for the time. I wish he'd been properly managed by a good psychiatrist and boatloads of productive therapy instead of "recreational" drug use, not just in the 70s but the 60s or even earlier.

Kevin Spacey and agoodlooking actor who used to be somewhat well known but has since been forgotten

Kevin Spacey and any male gay or straight that he can coerce into having sex with him.

Interesting up thread about Wally Cox. He could be viewed sexy in a nerdish way. I do know that I recently bought property across the road from a childhood home of his.

The deal with Maggie, as I recall hearing it, was that he asked her, and she wasn't a firm no but very noncommittal -- a "maybe someday" sort of response, which Paul evidently didn't want to hear. Considering (until Linda) she was his most serious relationship to come along outside of John and Jane Asher, I don't know how I'd feel about getting that answer myself if I was in his shoes. So much was going wrong for Paul (the gradual dissolution of the only career he'd ever known, losing John to drugs and Yoko, getting wrapped up in the business quagmire as he tried to save their company, etc.) that he needed the stability a marriage and a family would provide. Not that I am suggesting love wasn't a factor or that just anyone could have done the job, but as time showed, Linda was very much the stabilizer Paul needed during that tumultuous time following the breakup and before he pulled himself together and formed a new band.

John, by all accounts, was a person one couldn't help but love in spite of how disturbed he clearly was the more one got to know him. I feel like it's a similar situation to the Judy Garland fans who feel they could have been the one to beat the odds and get her back on her feet. Everybody for whom he was their favorite Beatle thinks John could have been helped "if only." I don't know if all the psychotherapists in the world would have made a difference.

R200 can you elaborate further? because I never heard of that rumor before..

Marlene Dietrich is on Google's birthday thingy.

Paul did say that if he had a chance to spend one more day with John he would spend it in bed. Take that as you will.

I heard the Spacey Ashton thing too. It happened at the Chateau Marmont when Ashton first came to town. Spacey blew him a few times and promised to help his career.

I bet Spacey wasn't the only one R212

Besides Ashton and Colin Farrell, which other guys were Spacey's hos?

Well Vin Diesel of all people tried to hit on Spacey years ago and got turned down.

r215, that was a fake Lainey blind item. It never happened.

Thanks for responding, R52, in spite of a little naysaying (some people here act like asking a question is equivalent to eternal fealty to the response, for whatever reason).

Anyways, if you have the time or inclination to respond again, do you know anything about the situation between John and Paul in the last months or so of John's life? Some people claim that John and Yoko were on the verge of splitting, others say they were 'deeply in love'...

Dana Delaney and Marcia Cross Mariska Hargitay and Maria Bello

R217, * cough * justlikestartingover * cough *

God, R211, you are creative. Paul never said any such thing.

Ahem.

r171, r219's response actually reveals a little more than they expect it to. "(Just Like) Starting Over" was trumpeted as being about John and Yoko returning to the public eye with the tender bloom of love still present in their relationship. However, he manages to fit three references to Paul into a very tiny frame, in close proximity to one another: "It's time to spread our [italic]wings[/italic] and fly / Don't let [italic]another day[/italic] go by, [italic]my love[/italic]..." I always thought that was interesting myself, especially as John often dismissed fan theories about songs out one side of his mouth while reading "subliminal messages to him" into Paul's solo work out the other.

From what I understand, John and Yoko's marriage was like any long marriage or long-term romantic partnership. To paraphrase comedian Ed Byrne, falling in love is amazing and "being in love is… [italic](Pause)[/italic] fine" -- they both have their merits, but one is considerably more exciting than the other. Life in any marriage, but especially in John and Yoko's, was no MGM musical: full of monotony, with highlights of fantastic. A lot of their life was samey, though they did enjoy the good bits.

At the time John died, they were doing better, but just prior to work on [italic]Double Fantasy[/italic], they were going through a pronounced rough patch during which Yoko explored the possibility of divorce and, let's say, assessed her options with other gentleman callers. (Nothing John hadn't done, so it's not as though he could judge.) For his part, John and Paul were talking about collaborating again, and John was looking into going home to England, ostensibly for the purpose of bringing Sean for a visit. John and Paul, to hear it told, couldn't collaborate on music without collaborating at home, so there's no telling what would have happened.

Hi Steinman Insider, since you're in the industry I may as well ask- how did the Beatles avoid the bad publicity associated with sleeping with underage groupies (witness Led Zeppelin, Iggy Pop, Bowie, the Stones)? Better lawyers? Better behavior? Something else?

[quote]Life in any marriage, but especially in John and Yoko's, was no MGM musical

Because Margaret Hamilton's voice was more pleasant to listen to.

Further to r223. This is from a Lori Maddox interview linked on an old DL thread -

THRILLIST: Do you think in retrospect that he might have exploited you?

No. I feel blessed. I feel like I was protected rather than exploited. I feel like I was very present.

After Jimmy, I grew up and got over it. I was still modeling. My life was still rock ‘n’ roll and rock stars. Of course there were other guys -- and amazing situations. I remember being 17 and hanging out at the Record Plant in LA. I was friends with the owner and everybody recorded there. I saw three of the Beatles with Mick Jagger and Stevie Wonder having this great jam session. But then Mick started fighting with McCartney or Lennon over who would sing on a particular song. Mick got pissed off. He took me to one of the bondage-themed bedrooms that the studio had. Mick said, “Let’s go fuck and get high.” We did blow all night and talked and hung out until the morning. We tried to have sex all night, but, at a certain point, he couldn’t get hard anymore. We were both very high. Another time, Mick [had me] on a bathroom floor while Bianca was getting ready for surgery. The sex was very consensual. --------------------- The Beatles are there, but don't seem to partake (?) - is that accurate? If not, why has no one blabbed? Also wtf, a bondage themed bedroom in a recording studio? Also, how disgusting is Mick Jagger and Jimmy Page?

R225 it's quite possible that Lori Maddox made the whole thing up, other than being with Jimmy Page. She tells different stories in different interviews.

Donald Trump touched weiners with the ghost of Strom Thurmond.

r223 / r225: Let me answer the jam session story first. All four, at different times (and never all four at once), palled around together in California during John's alleged "Lost Weekend," when Lori Maddox's story seems to have taken place. During that time, John produced a song for Mick (which never got officially released until a 2007 greatest hits compilation) and jammed with Paul, Stevie Wonder, and others at a studio in L.A. It is absolutely conceivable, in spite of r226's doubt, that all of them could have been hanging out at such a loose jam session, especially one where drugs were present. (There's a widespread bootleg of the John/Paul/Stevie/others jam where John offers Stevie some coke that's going around, and Paul has famously told a story of Harry Nilsson offering him angel dust, asking Harry if it was fun, Harry thinking for a minute and telling him "no," and Paul passing on it.) I don't see a specific reference in that story to them not partaking, just that Mick leaves them behind to go have freaky drug-fueled sex. They could very well have sampled the party favors.

To answer your first question, their solution to everything in the Beatlemania days was "pay everybody hush money." Literally. Paul McCartney in particular had so many paternity suits you'd think he wanked in the water supply. The only two that ever came to any serious prominence were ultimately disproved decades after they first surfaced, but law of averages suggests at least some of them had to be true. Hush money -- and the fact that the roadies, journalists, and entourage were also sampling the groupies, and would be equally liable if someone blabbed, creating an informal circle of silence -- went a long way, from what I've heard.

Thanks much for the reply, you're a peach.

[R147], [R149], [R168] [R199] Before I ran into so many technical problems with trying to post this story, I was initially very very ambivalent about putting this story out there. (It's still just my opinion you understand). I was really worried there would be some kind of backlash for doing so And man this is one of those times when I hate it when I am right.

^ Who did he harass?

Judy Tenuta & Rita Rudner

Jacqueline Susann and Carole Landis (not Ethel Merman, Jackie never got her)

Lauren Hutton and Beverly D'Angelo

Mary Martin and Janet Gaynor (of course)

In honor of his centennial year: Lenny and Jerry Robbins, Farley Granger, Steve Sondheim, Michael Tilson Thomas, Mike Nichols, Tony Perkins.......

Don't know [R231] but just finished watching their program as I type this and Major G simply made a brief statement to the camera at the top of the show that Steve C was no longer with CBS and did not go anywhere near discussing any reason as to why. Throughout the show, he looked like he was about to bust into tears any minute. You could tell he missed him terribly.

Even for DL standards, this thread -- and OP most of all -- is delusional.

Our babies: James Dean & Marlon Brando!!!!

George W Bush and Dick Cheney

Olivia Newton John and Didi Cohn Lauren Hutton and Julie Christie Mick Jagger and Billy Preston

I don't think that his current stylist is doing him any favours.

Wrong thread, sorry ^

R241 [italic] GASP!

Lauren Hutton and Julie Christie was a planted rumor meant to out Lauren, much like the Rock Hudson-Jim Nabors "marriage." Julie maybe slightly bi, but mostly straight. The same cannot be said for Lauren no matter what she says.

Edgar Ramirez and Darren Criss are fucking. Look at both of their twitter accounts and photos. Edgar's hands are all over Darren

Thanks again, R52, for your comments. Lots to digest!

I figure the other commenter was suggesting that Starting Over is about Paul rather than Yoko. I tend to agree, though I haven't always thought that way, simply because the style seems designed to appeal to Paul (in the same way that parts of McCartney II seems designed to get 'at' John). There's the introductory part ('our life together...'), which was a songwriting trick that Paul has said they both liked, from the sort of pop standards they bonded over in addition to rock and roll, when they were just getting to know each other. (Any song that includes this makes me wonder (tinhat time, forgive me) if they wrote it for the other -- If I Fell, Here There and Everywhere, Wild Life, I Know (I Know), etc). And then the song as a whole, the Roy/Elvis/Gene Vincent thing John is deliberately channeling, is the sound of 1959 or 1961 -- a time that would've been nostalgic for Paul and John, not for John and Yoko. Besides, Yoko had total disdain for that sort of music (‘wallpaper music’, in her words) so it's hardly a romantic gesture for him to write it for her.

The 'in bed' comment (which, yes, Paul did actually say!) is the sort of thing that makes me doubt that anything happened, just because if they have something to hide, they sure seem to let it all hang out. There's a straight-forward, acknowledged romanticism in the way they refer to their relationship (as a marriage, a love affair, etc) that seems to belie the idea that it went beyond the psychosexual pseudo-romantic we all know about, and into actual sexual affair territory. Why wouldn't someone, somewhere have leaked or broken this story, especially with comments from them (like 'in bed'), which practically dare someone to do so? For a long time I just doubted it was possible for them to command whatever combination of respect/fear/sympathy/loyalty to keep everyone keeping this secret for 40+ years, so I was thinking nothing more than what is already publicly known could have happened. But all the Weinstein, Louis CK, Kevin Spacey, Jimmy Savile, etc stuff has me rethinking. All of those guys had rumors for years, sometimes referenced in public (even by them!), yet those scandals weren’t openly spoken about until whatever recent combination of circumstances broke them open. So I guess I'm leaning more towards the 'something happened' side than I used to, simply because it seems more plausible that they could've kept it secret.

(Also, I figure that it’s likely that some people at Apple and/or MPL are aware that a substantial part of the most highly active young female fanbase is into the idea of John and Paul together...and Paul is maybe even aware...and by dropping hints while his official line is ‘I never saw even a hint of gay from John, no, sir’, he gets to appeal to all)

As for when/if Paul would've first spoken to Linda about it, he's said they had a brutally honest conversation about sowing their wild oats sometime before the married. Since Paul seemed to believe that John and Yoko had done something similar, and that he would've come up on their conversation (“I understood what happened when he met Yoko. He had to clear the decks of his old emotions. He went through all his old affairs, confessed them all. Me and Linda did that when we first met. You prove how much you love someone by confessing all that old stuff. John’s method was to slag me off."), it seems very likely that John would've entered into Paul and Linda's discussion. As for Linda being accepting, there’s been vague innuendo for years about Linda and Lillian Roxon, including in the recent Jann Wenner biography. So Linda may have been okay with it for many reasons.

Anyways, a few more questions for you, R52, if you have the patience to answer: what have you heard in particular that makes you think their relationship was sexual, rather than just non-sexually codependent and deeply enmeshed? How do you think the nature of their relationship has been kept secret for so long, and do you think the story will ever ‘break’?

Dwight (Doc) Gooding & Darryl Strawberry. The closet nearly killed Strawberry.

Jennifer Salt and Margot Kidder in the 70;s???

Jennifer Salt and Margot Kidder?

I never heard that one before!

r245, I'm starting to get the strong impression we hang in the same Internet circles, because I've heard articulate thought like this on the subject before. All of your points seem to basically concur with what I've said in this thread, the difference being that you lean in the direction that it was not necessarily a specifically sexual relationship.

I feel like with a lot of his public comments, as with many celebrities, Paul is operating in a zone of plausible deniability, the principle of which is simply that if their relationship was later disclosed, a comment like, say, "In bed" would be read as winking at those who figured it out, but until then, he can plausibly deny that his comment has any involvement or connection to such action. (I've heard a lot of fans who don't believe John and Paul got busy interpret it as a subtle joke about the Bed-Ins John and Yoko participated in, for example.) Celebrity double-talk is not exclusive to Liverpudlians, but I've always felt that they're some of the best at it, especially the Fabs.

Re: knowledge of fan speculation, I wouldn't say it's just Apple or MPL that knows about it. Paul himself has alluded many times in interviews to fans reading meanings into his statements in a way that leaves it impossible to believe he's referring to anything else. (For example, when sharing the backstory behind his song "Early Days" in an interview with Rolling Stone four years ago: "....it's a memory song. It's me remembering walking down the street, dressed in black, with the guitars across our back. I can picture the exact street. It was a place called Menlove Avenue. [Pauses] Someone's going to read significance into that: Paul and John on Menlove Avenue. Come onnnnnnn. That's what it's like with the Beatles. Everything was fucking significant, you know?")

To answer your specific questions: first, what made me think it was sexual. The one time I was ever actually in a room with Paul, zillion people between me and him (and no way I'm gonna bother him, all of us who travel in celeb circles have people we're fans of and all of us inexplicably try to hide it to seem "cooler"), he was hitting whiskey a little hard, and apparently it makes him confessional because he started talking loudly about himself and John, and how hard it was not to have him there. (Of course I paid attention and scooted a little closer; when a Beatle speaks about a Beatle, and you've heard rumors about both of 'em, you want the tea.)

I remember him saying something along the lines of not a day passing that John's not still in it with him, but it's not like he can pick up a phone and say, "Hey, just needed to hear your voice today," and even when he got craggy responses, he still missed them. He misses it all, and it's bothering to him that he misses him more as time goes on -- it doesn't heal, he just learns new ways to bandage the wound. Went on and on, and stopped just short of saying too much. He was waxing rhapsodic about John's hands, and finally I think the people he was with noticed interlopers paying attention, and changed the topic.

As for how it's been kept secret so long, I can only speculate that part of how is that it was so much easier to control the press back then. Unless you were involved in the business, either music or entertainment or gossip, the general public wasn't going to hear about a lot of the stuff that went on. This was pre-TMZ and constant Internet surveillance, mind you, and anyone who felt like talking had plenty of their own dirty laundry that could be aired in retaliation, so people stayed shut up about it for the most part. It's not like you could log on and get your news and gossip with the touch of a button or key. You had to go searching for it, and even then, you could come up dry. I've heard many an older celeb either lament or remember fondly -- depending on the person and the circumstance -- that so much was swept under that proverbial rug and people today have no idea.

[quote] For example, when sharing the backstory behind his song "Early Days" in an interview with Rolling Stone four years ago: "....it's a memory song. It's me remembering walking down the street, dressed in black, with the guitars across our back. I can picture the exact street. It was a place called Menlove Avenue. [Pauses] Someone's going to read significance into that: Paul and John on Menlove Avenue. Come onnnnnnn.

I just about choked when I read that RS interview back when it came out, that quote was gold. Sorry but not sorry Paul, because my mind went there too. It's like the "in bed" quote and the "John was very cuddly" quote - Paul seems to drop something eyebrow-raising and then leaves it there, in a "who, me? My, you have a filthy mind" way.

"I Know (I Know)" HAS to be about Paul. Too many of the same references. Unrelated (?), the track has a brilliant bassline, I'd listen to it just for that.

I will also believe "If I Fell" is written for Paul though I acknowledge that one isn't certain. I'm terrible at sourcing quotes but one music writer likened the song to an exchange of vows; that metaphor works well.

Well. It's nice to gab about what one has observed and heard from other places. I don't participate in other forums, just lurk, but it's consistent with what others have whispered around the web. Unless it's the same 3-5 people everywhere! I am ordering my tinfoil hat now.

Re: "I Know (I Know)," I've always been struck by the similarity of its main guitar lick to "I've Got a Feeling." As for "If I Fell," I understand that was very much about the two of them. It's most frequently cited.

If Drake & Josh didn't tenderly lustfully cohabitate (maybe on & off, c. 2005-2010/12?), then I don't know what.

r101 Interesting body language. Paul and Joanne are looking at the camera. Tony is staring into space. Poor Tony was a mess - he was born to play Norman Bates.

r7 Tab and Roddy were fuck buddies before Tab and Tony became a couple.

Steinman insider aka r251, are you still around? Any more gossip about Paul or others in the music industry?

r54 Is this enough evidence for you?

R118, I think Seth Rogen and Jonah Hill might secretly be the same person.

R192 R194 R201 R211 R222 R245 R249 R250 R251........

Very interesting comments. Too bad that "The Beatles Were BI" threads are now closed.

Speaking of popular bands from the past, I must be the only person in the world who seriously thinks Nikki Sixx & Vince Neil used to be FWB.

And no, I'm not a groupie shipper - I dislike Crue music and think they're scummy assholes. I just see fuck-energy there with Nikki & Vince and their up/down relationship, and I also know from general L.A./hair-metal history that there's only so much stripper-recycling a Rockstar can do before they need a fresh sexual kick (and when your lead singer looks like a pretty woman...). Nikki was never so smacked he couldn't fuck whatever he likes to claim for addict-cred, and Vince LOVES women but also loved Motley and success enough back then to give it up to Sixx (who was in charge of that so-called band whether he should have been or not). Given their timeline of breakups, it would just add up.

r255: Yeah, I am. I've got some interesting stuff to report (my main story in this thread is sort of current again now that Paul's publicly talking about the circle jerk for the first time in 20 years), but I'm not 100% sure anyone would give a shit.

All the lesbians want to claim Stevie Nicks but there is no evidence.

R258 and everybody, the Beatles were NOT bi in the slightest. Collect yourselves and deal with reality.

r262: Eat a Snickers, you get hostile when you're hungry.

R260 I definitely give a shit. Pls share!

I will ask - what's with Paul's more butch image lately? Personality or marketing?

Okay, when I think of something that's actually worth a post, I'll toss it in just for you, r264. To answer your question, it's not really an image; Paul is rather more butch, as you put it, than people credit "the Cute Beatle" for being. The older he gets, the less he cares about holding back that side of himself when it comes to public consumption.

Appreciate the answer, r265

You're quite welcome, r266.

r57 I don't know about gay but Lincoln had that facial wasting, so maybe he was out first poz president. Couldn't Marry quit the hysterics for a second and order a sandwich for the poor guy?

Gillian Anderson and Helen Hunt.

Andy Dick and Joe Rogan

Owen Wilson and Chace Crawford

Patrick Swayze and Keanu Reeves. It happened.

Why would r139 imagine in a million years we would all recognize Jeffrey Hunter by sight with no verbal identification?

r139, just how old ARE you???

Richard Nixon and Bebe Rebozo

Queen Latifah and Jada Pinkett.

R273

I am 139

Peyton Manning and Kenny Chesney

Alam Wernik and Sully Sullenberger

All on OP's list are confirmed homosexuals except for Leonardo Di Caprio, who is a real man 100% str8 tunatasting fishfucking heterosexual!

Maybe these two. Barack handsome and powerful. Jay Z mega rich, some ex-thug cred, and hung like a mule.

Please do not tell me that Newman liked that idiot, sexless, fool, Tom Cruise!

I think RDJ hooked up with Keanu.

And now, Jake and Tom.

Kavy & Squi

Tom and Harrison R282.

Dr. Dre and Eminem.

R282 Nah, tom is a boring ugly str8 brit. A huge step down from henry cavill for jake.

Keanu Reeves / David Geffen

Lance Bass and?

Barack Obama and Michelle Obama