Cindy Lauper - did Madonna steal her career?
Cindy was about to become THE big thing when Madonna entered the scene. I feel she would have becone what Madonna became if Madge didn't, you know, freakin steal the scene and her career.
And more importantly - is she able to make a comfortable living off the 'Time After Time' royalties alone?
|by Tiffany||reply 96||12 hours ago|
We've had quite a few threads about this over the years. It seems it was all Cyndi's own fault.
|by Tiffany||reply 2||Last Wednesday at 5:18 PM|
I think we've discussed this before. Cyndi has acknowleged that she never had the single-minded drive Madge had, didn't work the biz the way she did, and wasn't prepared to enter public celeb life the way she did. She was just happy to play her songs with her band, enjoy her fans, and pay her bills at it.
Cyndi is a class act who has never said anything unkind about Madonna, only that they are very, very different women.
|by Tiffany||reply 3||Last Wednesday at 5:18 PM|
No. Madonna's "Madonna" was released BEFORE Cindy's "She's So Unusual."
I was there.
|by Tiffany||reply 4||Last Wednesday at 5:25 PM|
If anyone has a gripe it's probably Grace Jones.
|by Tiffany||reply 5||Last Wednesday at 5:27 PM|
When I was a teen at the time , yes they were new on the scene at the same time. But even I knew Madonna would go the distance. ANd I even remember talking w/my cousins back in the 80s about both of these ladies...
|by Tiffany||reply 6||Last Wednesday at 5:28 PM|
Lauper's persona was just too weird for long term success in mainstream music.
|by Tiffany||reply 7||Last Wednesday at 5:28 PM|
What R7 said, plus Cyndi always seemed kind of fake? "I'm so nice and unusual" but then secretly bitchy behind the scenes? I don't know.
|by Tiffany||reply 8||Last Wednesday at 5:30 PM|
R4...true but Madonna's album was on shelves for a couple of years before it garnered a hit song. Madonna was not an overnight success.
|by Tiffany||reply 9||Last Wednesday at 5:30 PM|
It’s Cyndi, OP, you silly floozy.
|by Tiffany||reply 10||Last Wednesday at 5:32 PM|
The American public wanted a slut. Not a weirdo.
|by Tiffany||reply 11||Last Wednesday at 5:37 PM|
"She's So Unusual" was released when Cyndi was 30… so she was off to a bit of a late start...
|by Tiffany||reply 12||Last Wednesday at 5:40 PM|
And then on the second album that weird crap with the wrestlers....blech.
|by Tiffany||reply 13||Last Wednesday at 5:41 PM|
Cyndi’s weird outfits can only last so long. Lokok at gaga repeating cyndi’s footsteps
|by Tiffany||reply 14||Last Wednesday at 5:42 PM|
OP, No. Even at the beginning, they were totally different. I remember Tori Amos describing Lady Gaga as a "meteor" around the time of Bad Romance. It was a great description and I think she and Cyndi Lauper both have that in common. They were both really huge one minute and expected to be long-lasting hitmakers, but their success turned out to be a fluke. Both of them seemed to gravitate towards weirdness and doing what is great art (in their minds, at least) versus what is entertaining. Madonna has always been more in-tune to what is popular than Lauper (well, at least until 2005 or so).
|by Tiffany||reply 15||Last Wednesday at 5:45 PM|
She was held back by her heartbreaking psoriasis.
|by Tiffany||reply 16||Last Wednesday at 5:46 PM|
Cyndi is 3/4 of the way to an EGOT.
|by Tiffany||reply 17||Last Wednesday at 5:48 PM|
Additionally, if Madonna did steal some of the thunder that Lauper had, then Adele did the same thing to Lady Gaga. Both Madonna and Adele had records before they really hit it big, but once they hit it big, it's like they basically wiped out the other female artists who were popular around the same time.
|by Tiffany||reply 18||Last Wednesday at 5:48 PM|
Cyndi is closer to Deborah Harry than to Madge.
Blondie paid their dues in the NYC club scene for a couple of years before they exploded with Parallel Lines. By 1978, Debbie was already 31 or 32. She didn't release solo material until 1981, and those recordings seem driven more by her impulses to work with certain producers/musicians than to predict any curve in what would sell.
As discussed all over DL, Debbie was also sidelined in the mid-80s by caring for BF Chris Stein and his autoimmune disease. Like Cyndi, she's ambitious, but never single-minded to the degree Madge has always been.
|by Tiffany||reply 19||Last Wednesday at 5:58 PM|
PS: Debbie and Cyndi have toured together over the years. Can anyone confirm that they're buddies?
I'd like to think that they are.
|by Tiffany||reply 20||Last Wednesday at 6:01 PM|
PPS: I stumbled upon this one! My guess is late 80's/early 90s.
Deb and Cyn support reproductive rights/NOW together!
|by Tiffany||reply 21||Last Wednesday at 6:05 PM|
"Cindy Lauper - did Madonna steal her career?"
You guys make me laugh so much!
|by Tiffany||reply 22||Last Wednesday at 6:05 PM|
Yep. And she's also the reason why Angelyne and La Toya Jackson aren't the huge massive artists they should've been too.
|by Tiffany||reply 23||Last Wednesday at 6:10 PM|
cyndi has talent. but madonna has the hutzpah to hone in on trends and steal them from folks. madonna is the penultimate social climber...she was just climbing the popularity charts instead of social circles.
|by Tiffany||reply 24||Last Wednesday at 6:12 PM|
Lauper got locked into that goofy personna and then all the stuff with wrestlers was odd. Not that Madonna had much of a film career but she was more castable than Lauper. (although Lauper did win an Emmy for a Mad About You episode.)
Her later albums never produced many hits. Madge was still cranking them out for much longer.
|by Tiffany||reply 25||Last Wednesday at 6:14 PM|
I think Cyndi Lauper wanted to be popular, but she also wanted to make a certain kind of music. Her first album was full of hits, her second album had some, and then her third album didn't do well at all. While Madonna was always laser-focused on doing what she needed to do to be famous and popular.
I don't think Madonna ever thought she was trying to create great art. That's what kept her commercially successful for so long.
|by Tiffany||reply 26||Last Wednesday at 6:17 PM|
I never ever understood the wrestlers, And now she does nothing w wrestling, was a beaux a wrestler or a manager?
|by Tiffany||reply 28||Last Wednesday at 6:23 PM|
I agree that Cyndi just took the wrong turn for the True Colors album. (Something Madonna largely managed to avoid for 20 years, except for Erotica.) Cyndi stayed weird when she needed to tone it down. 1986 was culturally a lot different than 1983. More conservative. Bruce Hornsby instead of Culture Club.
Except for True Colors and Change of Heart, the album is blah and she seemed so out of touch. A Night to Remember is much, much better. But it was too late. (And, even then, she was too outside the mainstream to garner more than one hit.)
|by Tiffany||reply 29||Last Wednesday at 6:40 PM|
that guy who was her manager/boyfriend at the time was into the wrestlers and thought it was funny.
I've read she thinks that whole thing was a mistake.
I can remember as a kid wanting to see her theme to the Goonies on MTV but you always had to sit thru like five minutes of wrestler stuff before the song started.
|by Tiffany||reply 30||Last Wednesday at 6:46 PM|
"All Through the Night" was my favorite of her songs. To this day, I still listen to it over and over. Oddly, she never released a music video (I believe that it was just concert footage or something). I was really young when she and Madonna hit in the early 80's (3 yoa) so I can not add any anecdotal knowledge here. Generally speaking, Cyndi did seem much less mainstream than Madonna. Her videos and production lack polish and almost appear to be filmed on a camcorder by a distant uncle. She was cute in a very counter culture sot of way, but never had Madonna's looks or sex appeal. There is no shade in that, but I do see where she was more of a Lana Del Rey vs. a Katy Perry if that makes any sense (well, Lana is gorgeous - so I am referencing music here). Looking back, she has achieved far more critical "artist recognition" than Madonna ever will and perhaps rightfully so.. I love both artists, but in different ways.
|by Tiffany||reply 31||Last Wednesday at 6:59 PM|
What set Madonna apart from Cyndi in the 80s was her sex appeal.
Thought Cyndi is a more talented musician, I think Madonna is more intelligent.
|by Tiffany||reply 32||Last Wednesday at 7:04 PM|
Cyndi is definitely more talented. Listen to the last 10 seconds of Calm Inside the Storm. Then listen to Lucky Star.
|by Tiffany||reply 33||Last Wednesday at 7:09 PM|
Both Madonna and Lady Gaga studied fame like they were getting a masters in it. Madonna made it easier for Lady Gaga by putting together a master playbook, step by step of what you had to do. Lady Gaga just managed to do what Madonna did, by studying her and Warhol, in about a quarter of the time and is as practically well known and as wealthy. Both these ladies wanted to be mega famous and any kind of art was on the back burner.
Cyndi, I am sure, saw herself as an artist navigating a pop culture world. Madonna is a pop culture shaman who grasped on to any art that would make her more famous. Madonna was desperate for fame, by any means necessary and she got it. She just came around at a time when caring about fame was declasse and you had to pretend you were a true artist. Lady Gaga came about at a time when wanting fame was not only OK, it had become performance art.
A truer equivalent would be Pink is the new Cyndi Lauper. Two woman stuck in a look that they can never completely shake. Once Madonna was done with one persona, she shed it like a skin and became something else, always keeping her audience guessing. People were more excited about what Madonna would become just as much as what her new music would sound like. That's really what kept her relevant for so much longer. That and constantly forcing herself in our face by latching on to whoever was most relevant at the time and sucking the lifeblood out of them - from Anthony Kiedes to Britney Spears (literally, you can almost see the moment Britney's spirit left her during that Madonna VMA performance) on up to Nicki Minaj to the Fat Jewish. Madonna knows you always have to be where the light is shining the brightest.
|by Tiffany||reply 34||Last Wednesday at 7:16 PM|
[quote]I don't think Madonna ever thought she was trying to create great art. That's what kept her commercially successful for so long.
I don't think that's true. Many of Madonna's videos and concert vignettes are works of art. And her musical style has evolved over time, some of which, in hindsight seem ahead of their time, compared to what was being played on top 40 radio. So there's definitely a drive to create good art, if not great art.
Cyndi Lauper acknowledged that what Madonna had that she didn't was business smarts, marketing skills, and a knack for manipulating the press. Cyndi shied away from all that and left the business part to her managers and record company and ended up fighting them when she realized they didn't have her best interest in mind. Madonna shrewdly surrounded herself with people who would do her bidding, kept them in check, and took an active part in managing her own career.
|by Tiffany||reply 35||Last Wednesday at 7:20 PM|
...speaking of Debs Harry.
|by Tiffany||reply 36||Last Wednesday at 7:26 PM|
DAMN R34 - that was amazingly well written and rings true IMO. All artists crave some level of fame, attention, financial reward and celebrity. Only a meager few place that drive as their defining purpose above all else. In the art world, Damien Hirst comes to mind..
|by Tiffany||reply 37||Last Wednesday at 7:29 PM|
"I don't think that's true. Many of Madonna's videos and concert vignettes are works of art. And her musical style has evolved over time, some of which, in hindsight seem ahead of their time, compared to what was being played on top 40 radio."
Wrong. Every Madonna video was a copy of some other artist's great work. Not that this is a bad thing. But the ideas were not original to her. And even the sound of her music was based on the producers she chose to work with. It was like picking out stocks on the stock market. She has an great ear for emerging talent when it's price is low. She was able to spot a great sound from somebody relatively unknown to the broad world and use them before anyone else did. She did not originate the sound, she popularized it.
|by Tiffany||reply 38||Last Wednesday at 7:31 PM|
Okay, "Material Girl" is ripping off "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes," "Express Yourself" is ripping off "Metropolis" and "Bad Girl" is ripping off "Looking for Mr. Goodbar." But what about, say, "Burning Up"? "La Isla Bonita"? "I'll Remember"? "Don't Tell Me"? What are those videos ripping off?
|by Tiffany||reply 39||Last Wednesday at 7:37 PM|
Into the Groove the song, was almost completely original.
Guys did not want to fuck Cyndi...
|by Tiffany||reply 40||Last Wednesday at 7:41 PM|
Just one example... there are many.
|by Tiffany||reply 41||Last Wednesday at 7:42 PM|
here you go R39. And if you can't find your exact examples there, there is plenty of proof that some original of each of those concepts probably exists somewhere.
|by Tiffany||reply 42||Last Wednesday at 7:49 PM|
All artists copy. They are either inspired by works created before them, or they outright steal. Pablo Picasso himself famously said, "Good artist copy. Great artists steal." It doesn't make the art any less worthy or less great. My earlier comment about some of Madonna's videos and concert vignettes being works of art still stand, regardless if they were copied or inspired by the past or if they were done with collaborators.
|by Tiffany||reply 43||Last Wednesday at 7:57 PM|
Again I'm not saying it's a bad thing necessarily. I'm just saying you can't give Madonna credit for those ideas. You can give her credit for a lot of other things.
Here's the difference. A true artist finds a muse to create. A mega star becomes a muse to inspire true artist. The goal for someone mega famous is to become big enough that true artist are dying to create and work with you and you are able to control their output. Cyndi being and artist and Madonna being a star. The problem with being an artist is that you exhaust your own personal well of creativity, it burns out. If you are a muse, you are constantly evolving feeding off of those creating for you. You never tax your own creativity actually creating. You use it to illuminate other's work - which is much more efficient for a long lasting career.
Trust me, the person who wrote "When I get lost in space I can return to this place, 'cause, you're the one," is not the same person who wrote, "If you don't like my attitude, you can fuck off. Just go to Texas, isn't that where they golf?"
Actually one of my prouder moments was when I was able to track down one of Madonna's writers on twitter. In the Ptown cemetery, there is a headstone with that exact quote from Madonna's "Nothing Fails" written on it. It was left by a guy who's lover had died from AIDS and this is where he comes to be with him. I took a picture of the headstone and sent it to the writer on Twitter. He was actually pretty moved by it - someone choosing his words to mark their final resting place. That is an artist. Madonna would probably just see a fan.
|by Tiffany||reply 44||Last Wednesday at 8:01 PM|
"Sky Fits Heaven" was one of the more interesting tracks on RAY OF LIGHT.
I'm curious how much they paid Max Blagg. At least, on some level, someone acknowledged that this was plagiarism.
|by Tiffany||reply 45||Last Wednesday at 8:02 PM|
Love the Blondie clip. That’s one of the Harry-Stein compositions on the new album. Fantastic drumming by Clem as usual!
|by Tiffany||reply 46||Last Wednesday at 8:15 PM|
[quote]Trust me, the person who wrote "When I get lost in space I can return to this place, 'cause, you're the one," is not the same person who wrote, "If you don't like my attitude, you can fuck off. Just go to Texas, isn't that where they golf?"
Written by the same person who wrote, "You were my lesson I had to learn / I was your fortress you had to burn / Pain is a warning that something's wrong / I pray to God that it won't be long." Her songwriting partner Rick Nowles raved about Madonna's "deep, poetic, and intelligent" lyric writing. I think as with most singer-songwriters, sometimes you come up with winners, other times you come up with real clunkers. "I Love New York," with its mad-bad-glad rhymes, is so puerile that sometimes I think it's meant to be satire.
|by Tiffany||reply 47||Last Wednesday at 8:37 PM|
But who has the stinkier pussy? Who????
|by Tiffany||reply 48||Last Wednesday at 9:00 PM|
The Power of Goodbye video, "inspired" by Humoresque.
|by Tiffany||reply 49||Last Wednesday at 9:12 PM|
Cyndi killed her career by refusing to spell her name correctly. Back then things like this counted a lot.
|by Tiffany||reply 50||Last Wednesday at 9:28 PM|
Cyndi wrote a hit Broadway show. She's hardly worrying about True Colors royalties.
Some people are too stupid to post.
|by Tiffany||reply 51||Last Wednesday at 10:30 PM|
R9, Madonna's album was on the shelves 3 months when Lucky Star was released. What a dope you are.
|by Tiffany||reply 52||Last Wednesday at 10:57 PM|
I can't envision a teenager in the 1980s masturbating to an image of Cyndi Lauper.
|by Tiffany||reply 53||Last Wednesday at 11:01 PM|
Come on now...Madonna is a world-class pimp.
Think about it. . .
|by Tiffany||reply 54||Last Wednesday at 11:28 PM|
I thought Cyndi was related to Capt. Lou Albino.
|by Tiffany||reply 55||Last Thursday at 12:10 AM|
Audiences are sick of Madonna not performing her old hits.
Audiences are sick of Cyndi performing 'Time After Time' over and over and over and over again.
|by Tiffany||reply 57||Last Thursday at 12:58 AM|
Lauper lives with her family at The Apthorp on Broadway and 79th Street. It's a gorgeous building that is known for not having the most spectacular views. It would be more prestigious were it on Riverside Drive or CPW.
She must be doing quite well. She wrote the lyrics to Kinky Boots, which had been a smash success and is still running on Broadway.
|by Tiffany||reply 59||Last Thursday at 1:45 AM|
She couldn't pull off the crazy goofy persona. Poor marketing image.
|by Tiffany||reply 60||Last Thursday at 4:00 AM|
Cyndi seems to have a baby-voice, not that I'm a fan of Madonna. They're both kinda light pop divas. Hell, Kelly Clarkson and some of the country girls - Shania, Reba, etc. - sing rings around those Kim Kardashians of the music world (and I don't pay attention to the stupid narcissistic awards). Art is art - and neither one of them is art.
|by Tiffany||reply 61||Last Thursday at 4:07 AM|
There is ONE thing I will NEVER forgive Madonna for...
Making non-artists like Britney Spears possible.
|by Tiffany||reply 62||Last Thursday at 5:14 AM|
Madonna is in a league with Elvis and the Beatles. Cyndi had the typical 80s/early 90s career of two hit albums, than a lesser hit then fade out.
Such as the Bangles, Debbie Gibson, Taylor Dayne, Expose and so on.
She did herself no favours with getting into the wrestling thing and become a "joke" rather and a serious artist, but she would likely have faded out. She didn't have the team of PR like Janet Jackson nor the voice of Whitney or Mariah.
She had a typical run, and it's no more fair to compare her to Madonna than to ask why Olivia Newton-John and Diana Ross faded so fast after 1984. They had some of their biggest hits in the 80s but got pushed aside for the new. (Indeed both ONJ and Diana Ross had their two biggest hits each in the 80s)
|by Tiffany||reply 63||Last Thursday at 5:18 AM|
Madonna and Cyndi are both half Italian. Madonna on her dad's side and Cyndi on her mom's side.
|by Tiffany||reply 64||Last Thursday at 4:50 PM|
Cyndi was so talented, but she had no fucking clue how to present or market herself. That exaggerated accent, her goofy-dumb persona and, as several people mentioned, that stupid association with wrestling. You just couldn't take her seriously, which means short shelf life. Whatever you want to say about Madonna, no one doubted for a second she wasn't sharp and savvy. Even when she was tarted up to 11, you knew she was laser-focused.
Cyndi Lauper at the VMAs in 1984. WTF?
|by Tiffany||reply 65||Last Thursday at 5:12 PM|
R65 Yeah I watch Cyndi's interviews and she comes across as a bimbo a majority of the time. It's kind of disappointing, I don't think she's dumb, just lacking in media training.
Madonna says dumb things from time to time, but she is a smart person overall and is able to articulate herself well.
|by Tiffany||reply 66||Last Thursday at 7:04 PM|
Madonna had plenty of ditzy moments, but she knew when she needed to come across well. Here she is after her first major image overhaul accepting an award from a "respectable" film set (ha ha). She may be slutty, but she's no bimbo.
And LOL, she and Tina Turner were up against Barbara Mandrell.
|by Tiffany||reply 67||Last Thursday at 8:15 PM|
Both these women started their pop careers in their late twenties which is unheard of now. Pop stars start at 16/18 now and are coming from disney shows or simon cowell.
|by Tiffany||reply 68||Last Thursday at 8:34 PM|
Madonna ALWAYS mesmerized. We all knew that she was no great vocal talent. She was never a Whitney and she never tried to be. She was a STAR from her first public moments however and she literally built a franchise on that quality alone. Her looks were a plus but she worked her ass off to make the best of what she had...and made it that much better. She was no great singer, but in the era before auto-tune - she eeked out the best vocals that were possibly capable and then some. Her domineering yet playfully sexy personality must have been a stretch to "live" 24/7 but she did that just that. She avoided drugs and booze yet acted as if she partied 24/7 and fucked just as often (she didn't). Like a chameleon, she reinvented herself constantly and set trends before anyone was aware that we needed new ones. I don't care what she stole from who - she was both a magician and a genius. Musicians do not come any savvier than Madonna. Cyndi was cute for a moment and somewhat talented - perhaps more than Madonna from a songwriting perspective. Again, she was no great vocal talent either. What she lacked was that "It factor" - Madonna had it and she did not.
|by Tiffany||reply 69||Last Thursday at 9:00 PM|
[quote] Lauper lives with her family at The Apthorp on Broadway and 79th Street.
On 74th. It's the most fucked up, legally complicated, dysfunctional apartment building. I wonder how she's managing.
Also the famous continental baths (Bette Miller sang to gay clients there) were in its basement.
|by Tiffany||reply 70||Last Thursday at 10:03 PM|
Who's the closest current pop star to 80's madonna? Certainly not swift as that bitch can not move or have any performing ability, she sells albums though. I can't think of anyone miley? Lol, selena, ariana, camila?
|by Tiffany||reply 71||Last Thursday at 10:54 PM|
Beyonce is the Madonna of this generation obviously. Both show girls, both chameleons. Although you get the feeling Madonna led her PR machine and Beyonce is being led by one. The era of mega stars like that is pretty much over. In the long run, it's too risky to invest that much behind one person who will eventually crash and burn. Beyonce's has had a great run now, going on 20 years.
|by Tiffany||reply 72||Last Saturday at 8:35 PM|
R72, Beyonce is similar to Madonna for sure, but I agree with you in the fact that she certainly is not the brilliant mastermind magician that Madonna was and is. Beyonce is beautiful but hardly sets trends the way that Madonna did. Neither is a phenomenal singer and both are great showman types - so you are completely correct in making the comparison.
|by Tiffany||reply 73||Last Saturday at 8:42 PM|
I think there were a variety of factors which gave Madonna the advantage: was too long of a wait between Lauper’s first too albums, the pro wrestling thing made her look ridiculous, her squeaky persona came across as phony, and the material on her third album wasnt promoted hard enough.
|by Tiffany||reply 74||Last Saturday at 8:47 PM|
Don't really agree about Beyonce at all. Can't really think of anything by her that really captured the whole of the public's imagination in the same way as Madonna did, some of the things she did with Destiny's Child but that's about it. Madonna was the figure-head of several massive zeitgeist moments in popular culture. I do think that Bey has more authentic talent than Madonna, and is more likable.
|by Tiffany||reply 75||Last Saturday at 8:49 PM|
No way Lauper would have gone any further if Madonna hadn't come on the scene. She never had the talent or star appeal to go to the next level. She was more of a one hit wonder that managed to get a few hits. I always picture her standing in front of a trailer park on the rare occasions that I think about her.
|by Tiffany||reply 76||Last Saturday at 8:50 PM|
The Apthorp is not on 74th. That's the Ansonia, another cray-cray building.
|by Tiffany||reply 77||Last Saturday at 8:53 PM|
Beyonce is over though and 20 year career? She started in 2000. Hasn't had a number one hit on her own, in nearly a decade
|by Tiffany||reply 78||Last Saturday at 9:13 PM|
[QUOTE] do think that Bey has more authentic talent than Madonna, and is more likable.
|by Tiffany||reply 79||Last Saturday at 9:18 PM|
R78, exactly. I'm amazed how much Beyonce is promoted as being this huge star. She's definiely a star but globally she isn't even very popular and in America, she hasn't even had a number one single since Single Ladies.
|by Tiffany||reply 80||20 hours ago|
Madonna had a phenomenal commercial career of course, with her David Bowie-like metamorphoses, but her popularity was largely hitched to her creative music videos, which are now passe. Her music was more calculation than execution, and younger people who didn't grow up with the hype are largely not impressed. Lauper's handful of authentic gems may outlast Madonna's torrent of industrial zircons.
|by Tiffany||reply 81||19 hours ago|
R81, I don't agree with that at all. Madonna's old hits get played on the radio all the time and she is considered an icon even if she is a joke now.
|by Tiffany||reply 82||14 hours ago|
[quote]Cyndi always seemed kind of fake? "I'm so nice and unusual" but then secretly bitchy behind the scenes?
Are you fucking insane r8? Madonna is one of the biggest cunts of all time. Also Madonna's style was a rip off of the kind of style Cindy wore which was the real "downtown" style at the time. Madge was always a commercial for mainstream fashion, nothing authentic about her and most of it stolen.
|by Tiffany||reply 83||14 hours ago|
The Cyndi albums after True Colors weren't hits but I could listen to them over and over because I love Cyndi's voice. And most all of the songs are enjoyable to listen to they just aren't hits. I can put on any of her albums and listen all the way through just eating up her voice.
|by Tiffany||reply 84||14 hours ago|
Well r82 you honestly don't think that most of her early hits are painful to listen to? I do. They are awful unless I'm remembering the music videos that went along with them. The only songs I don't feel that way about are her dance tunes, because I heard them in clubs they stand as fun songs to dance to. Vogue, Deeper and Deeper, Get Into The Groove, Music. Then some slower songs like Live To Tell, I'll Remember, Take A Bow (though the video plays in my head),
|by Tiffany||reply 85||14 hours ago|
R85, I really don't think so, honestly. There is a reason The Immaculate Collection is her biggest album and the biggest selling compilation album by a solo artist. There isn't a single song on that album that sounds bad.
|by Tiffany||reply 86||14 hours ago|
R86, Yeah it's because they are all different versions of the hits. So even her major fans who had all her albums would buy it.
|by Tiffany||reply 87||14 hours ago|
Except for 2 new songs, yes, none of the songs are in their original versions.
|by Tiffany||reply 89||14 hours ago|
Cyndi definitely took too much time off at the height of her career. True Colors didn't come out until '86, which was three years after She's So Unusual. Even though True Colors was a big hit, her momentum had slowed. She didn't change her image at all, and that mattered, she needed to change it up to hold people's interest. The WWF thing was a big mistake, she was a major pop star at the time and doing that wrestling shit was really downmarket for the kind of star she was at the time.
When Madonna first hit the scene, girls all over the country (and other countries) were copying her style, which was really fresh and unique for the times. Nobody wanted to dye their hair bright orange and shave a checkerboard into the side of their head.
Madonna's popularity was due in large part to her dance songs, Cyndi didn't really have any of those.
|by Tiffany||reply 90||12 hours ago|
[quote]The WWF thing was a big mistake
She never learned.
While Madonna was on the road with her MDNA Tour, Cyndi was doing this...
|by Tiffany||reply 91||12 hours ago|
As has been said upthread, I can't imagine straight guys in the 80s jerking off to Cyndi Lauper. I can totally believe they jerked off to early 80s, slutty "Burning Up" - era Madonna.
|by Tiffany||reply 92||12 hours ago|
Just embarrassing. Fuck, you just won a Grammy and you have to inject that fake wrestling shit into your big win???
|by Tiffany||reply 93||12 hours ago|
That sound you hear is Cyndi's stardom fading.
|by Tiffany||reply 94||12 hours ago|
[quote] I can't envision a teenager in the 1980s masturbating to an image of Cyndi Lauper.
No, but Punky Brewster listened to her. That counted for something to a 5-year-old gay boy growing up in North Carolina.
|by Tiffany||reply 95||12 hours ago|
Madonna could never let loose and take something deliberately frivolous and kiddie-ish (though calculatedly so) like this and elevate it to the level of fabulous:
|by Tiffany||reply 96||12 hours ago|