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Soprano Ending.

The ending to The Sopranos all these years still shocks me on a real personal level. It's not because it's was a great show and I wanted it to last forever, but more so because of how easy life ends and what we see soon after...blackness. Nothing more, NADA. It's pretty scary..and that fucking scene is sobering to say the least and quite horrifying.

by Anonymousreply 12006/11/2018

We see nothing soon after because there’s no one there to see.

by Anonymousreply 112/06/2017

One minute your listening to music eating an onion badda bing!

by Anonymousreply 212/06/2017

Tony is not assassinated at the end of the series. The show just ends. Chase has confirmed this.

by Anonymousreply 312/06/2017

Nope. R3

by Anonymousreply 412/06/2017

It ruined that song for me.

by Anonymousreply 512/06/2017

Believe it or not there are lots of people out there who haven’t even watched the series yet. Why spoil it for them?

by Anonymousreply 612/06/2017

No OP you cannot experience "nada" or nothingness. You either die and experience something, or your consciousness ends, meaning you lose the capacity of "experiencing". So, there really is no reason to fear.

by Anonymousreply 712/06/2017

James Gandolfini was Tony so yea. he's dead no matter.

by Anonymousreply 812/06/2017

R6 You're joking right? Believe or not, half the planet knows what happened in the end whether they saw the show or not!

by Anonymousreply 912/06/2017

I loved the ending—it was a shock, it was controversial, it was perfect!

by Anonymousreply 1012/06/2017

That we're still talking about it years later proves it's a powerful ending.

My take - Tony dies. Maybe not in that diner, maybe so, but the whole point of that scene is to show constantly looking over his shoulder and eventually getting killed was Tony's fate.

What's really horrifying is if Tony is really shot in that final moment, imagine how his family would have reacted. In a way, it's comeuppance for Carmela being complicit and benefiting from Tony's crimes.

by Anonymousreply 1112/06/2017

R7 And you know this information because. -been there done that?

by Anonymousreply 1212/06/2017

R11 Agree. Especially about Carmella she loved the money. I love the ending based on that alone!

by Anonymousreply 1312/06/2017

No r12, simple logic. By logic you cannot experience "nothingness" because if you did feel/experience that means it is not nothing. It is something.

by Anonymousreply 1412/06/2017

R13 Carmella was such a hypocrite. She was always burning candles in church to say thanks to God everytime Tony survived or something turned out good for them. Like God would really be looking out for a cold-blooded sociopathic criminal.

by Anonymousreply 1512/06/2017

the final word

by Anonymousreply 1612/06/2017

The whole scene was everyday life but everyone I know said you were on the edge of your seat with anxiety. Amazing.

by Anonymousreply 1712/06/2017

I get quite emotional thinking of how I would watch that show with my little kitty. She passed on before the final episodes aired. The theme song reminds me of her.

by Anonymousreply 1812/06/2017

R18, was she a rescue cat?

by Anonymousreply 1912/06/2017

Yes, R19. Yes she was. You could never meet a bigger sweetheart.

by Anonymousreply 2012/06/2017

Thanks, R18/R20.

by Anonymousreply 2112/06/2017

I always took it that Tony died but people argued with me. Chase left it to viewers to end it themselves.

by Anonymousreply 2212/06/2017

He got shot in the back of the head. end of story- hence blackness- music abruptly stopped. It's not rocket science people.

by Anonymousreply 2312/06/2017

In my opinion, all three at the table died and they deserved to die.

by Anonymousreply 2412/06/2017

Master Of Sopranos has a good write-up on the finale.

[quote][bold]The Sopranos: Definitive Explanation of “The END”[/bold]

[quote] “If you look at the final episode really carefully, it’s all there.”* These are David Chase’s words regarding the finale of the Sopranos. He is right, it is “all there”. This is the definitive explanation as to why Tony died in Holsten’s in the final scene of The Sopranos. The following is based on a thorough analysis of the final season of the show and will clear up one of the most misunderstood endings in film or television history. Chase took almost two years to construct the final season of the show after the fifth season ended in June of 2004. The ending was orchestrated years in advance and is the culmination of an artist in complete control of his vision. Part 1 will demonstrate how Chase directed, edited and scored the final scene of the Sopranos to lead to the interpretation that Tony was shot in the head in Holsten’s and how this ties into the “never hear it happen” concept that Chase hammered into the viewer before the show’s final scene. This explanation will be supported by words from David Chase himself, including a very revealing, largely unknown, radio interview of Chase in April of 2008. Part I will also discuss (and debunk) the other theories about the end including the “Tony always looking over his shoulder” interpretation. Part II will concentrate on what Tony’s death means and how his death was thematically constructed throughout the final season. Part III will focus on the use of symbolism in Holsten’s. Part IV will focus on The Godfather influence on the final season and Tony’s death. Part V will focus on how the final episode and final scene are linked to America’s war on terrorism. Part VI will concentrate on the “fun stuff” created by Chase and his creative team to foreshadow Tony’s death. Part VII will discuss the possible inspiration of two films on the ending of The Sopranos. Part VIII will speculate as to who may have killed Tony. Part IX will discuss the influence of Stanley Kubrick’s 2001:A Space Odyssey on the “point of view” pattern in the final scene. Some of these topics will overlap but the ultimate conclusion is the same: Tony’s death is the only ending that makes sense.

[quote]*Note: Chase’s original quote to the NJ Star Ledger the day after the finale aired is “Anybody who wants to watch it, it’s all there”. Chase’s subsequent quote regarding the finale “If you look at the final episode really carefully, it’s all there” was published in the UK newspaper The Times on September 9, 2007 (from an interview of Chase by Stephen Armstrong)as the final episodes were set to air in the UK. The modified quote strongly suggests Tony’s death since there is essentially no reason to look at the final scene “really carefully” if Tony lived as he is clearly alive the last time we see him.

It's a long read but worth it.

by Anonymousreply 2512/06/2017

The Chase Lounge is another good resource. Here's the forum page dedicated to the last episode:

[quote]Episode 6.21: Made in America

by Anonymousreply 2612/06/2017

Sopranos Autopsy is another great page, they haven't gotten to season 6 yet though.

[quote]Sopranos Autopsy - Examining TV's Greatest Series

by Anonymousreply 2712/06/2017

And 'The Sopranos' subreddit has some great conversations about the series finale

[quote]Thoughts on the destruction of AJ's car in the Finale

by Anonymousreply 2812/06/2017

Thanks R27 that looks worth a peek

by Anonymousreply 2912/06/2017

[quote]How would Melfi react to Tony's death?

by Anonymousreply 3012/06/2017

Yea we know got shot in the back of the head-guy with the Members Only jacket clipped him. Thats why everything goes completely black. One to the head and boom!. Brain dead.

by Anonymousreply 3112/06/2017

[quote]The Sopranos - Complete Rewatch: Season 6 - Episode 21 "Made In America"

by Anonymousreply 3212/06/2017

The evening The Sopranos finale aired, I was confused and upset. But in the years since I've come to believe the ending is nothing short of brilliant, and the greatest finale of any series ever. The longer time goes on, the more is revealed to us. It is a gift that keeps on giving.

By the way, Tony is dead as a doornail. That black represents Tony's inner life. It's gone. It no longer exists.

by Anonymousreply 3312/06/2017

[quote][Discussion] Who killed Tony Soprano?

by Anonymousreply 3412/06/2017

It seems obvious that Tony, Junior and Carmella recall guilty and needed to be dead. THANK GOD! I hated them.

by Anonymousreply 3512/06/2017

"All That You Dream" by Little Feat is playing in the beginning of the linked clip. Much better band than that cheesy Journey.

by Anonymousreply 3612/06/2017

Good analysis of the finale from Lobster Lagoon

[quote]The Sopranos begins with a troubled mobster entering psychoanalytic psychotherapy, and his character arc plays out in that context; Tony Soprano’s seemingly irrational behavior is only comprehensible by considering the conversations he has with Dr. Melfi. The show’s fascination with the unconscious makes psychoanalysis an ideal tool for understanding the series, which traces Tony’s spiritual demise as he wrestles with, and fails to resolve, his Oedipus complex. The first part of this essay will examine the relationship he has with his mother and father, the evidence for his complex, and explore how his parents’ demands set the stage for his spiritual struggle. This section will also include a complete analysis of The Test Dream’s dream sequence. The second part will discuss his near death experience at the beginning of 6A, and it will use Kennedy and Heidi (6.18) to show that Tony fulfills the oedipal myth by murdering his nephew, who stands in symbolically for his father, and sleeping with Christopher’s Vegas girlfriend, herself standing in for both his nephew’s wife, Kelly, and Tony’s mother, Livia. This is also the effective completion of the mission given to him in The Test Dream, and for thematic purposes Tony is dead, his spiritual arc concluded in failure. The final section will view Made in America in light of Tony being already dead when the episode begins, highlighting themes of fate, sin, and salvation while providing specific analyses of The Cat and Holsten’s.

by Anonymousreply 3712/06/2017

Six Feet Under versus The Sopranos scale: a proposed binary for characterizing TV show endings

Interesting read.

by Anonymousreply 3812/06/2017

R3 No he didn't. Chase has refused to say one way or the other. Though he has dropped hints that Tony is dead.

by Anonymousreply 3912/06/2017

They said all the colors in the dinner point to death. All their actions point to the fact that they are at their death, at their funereal. As I said, I was glad.

by Anonymousreply 4012/06/2017

Here's the AV Club write-up

[quote]Maybe he dies at the end of “Made In America,” when the Members Only jacket guy puts a bullet in the back of his head (something we don’t see, because we cut to black from his point-of-view). Maybe he dies in 40 years, surrounded by family and friends and little Parisi grandchildren. (At the thought of that, maybe he would have preferred the bullet.) Maybe he dies right after leaving Holstens when he gets hit by a bus. Maybe he dies because he gets cancer. Maybe the cancer is eating him alive right now. Maybe he dies in a fight with Carmela, when she finally gets fed up and takes a shot at him. Maybe he decays slowly in a hospital somewhere, like Uncle Junior, the only solace he has a moment to look out the window at the sun and the birds, a moment to wonder who he is or who he was. Tony Soprano dies. So do you. So do I.

continued at the link

by Anonymousreply 4112/06/2017

R34 It was Patsy Parisi had it done in retaliation for Tony having killed his brother Phil many seasons prior. This was all with the approval of Butch DeConcini, who resented Tony for having Phil Leotardo hit in front of his wife and grandchildren. You NEVER do that in front of family. All with the assistance and knowledge of Pauly Walnuts.

There is no other reason to have had a scene earlier in the episode with the Parisis having Tony and Carmella over. Meadow was marrying their son, but there was no reason thematically to show that scene, and the tension between Patsy and Tony.

by Anonymousreply 4212/06/2017

[quote]Can someone please convince me that Tony did NOT die in the end

[quote]The final scene still gives me goosebumps - the music, and the whole build up to the bit where the scene cuts to black for about 5 seconds before the credits appear.

[quote]The most powerful argument to suggest Tony gets whacked is that the 5 seconds of blackness is Tony's POV of when Meadow enters the restaurant - we see and hear nothing because this is Tony's POV and he just got shot in the head from the 3 o clock position by the Members Only guy who went to the toilets. Remember, we see everyone who enters the restaurany from Tony's POV before this.

[quote]So can anyone give some ideas that suggest that Tony didnt get whacked in the final scene? All i can think of is that the final scene is another dream sequence (just like the many others we see in the show that we thought happened but was actually all in Tony's head) where Tony is imagining what dinner would be like with his family after he visited Uncle Junior.

by Anonymousreply 4312/06/2017

For r4 and r39:

by Anonymousreply 4412/06/2017

Of course, there are so many death-porn Sopranos fans (read above to see the obsessive death cultists who write and write and write AND WRITE about this as if there’s some truth to divine from the ending) that Chase’s publicist later had to backpedal because of the uproar that the Vox article engendered. But we all know what Chase meant.

The fact is, he just pulls the plug on the show. Go to black, story over.

by Anonymousreply 4512/06/2017

R45 That article was written in 2014-since then he's pretty much has made it more or less that YES Tony is dead and was always headed in that direction.

by Anonymousreply 4612/06/2017

By the finale, Tony had no more mob friends and he knew he could no longer count on any of his family, so his life was already finished when he walked into the diner.

by Anonymousreply 4712/06/2017

I think the biggest piece of evidence from the series that Tony is dead is here.

David Chase told Richard Belzer on his podcast that the scene where Gerry Torcado is whacked relates directly to the final scene of the series.

Watch it.

We see Silvio talking. Suddenly, we're in slow motion. It's gone to slow motion to show us something. Silvio is spattered with blood while he's talking. The splatter of the blood is what interrupts him. THEN after the splatter, very pointedly, we HEAR the gunshot. Later, Bobby tells Tony "I bet you never hear it when it happens'

Gerry Torcado gets a bullet in his brain, and doesn't hear the gunshot. Later, Tony (and us) are whacked in that exact same way. Gunshot, darkness, and a sound that everyone present at Holsten's hears. Except Tony, and us.

by Anonymousreply 4812/06/2017

To be honest, I thought the ending was pretty lame. I think the above discussions, while interesting, are projecting a lot of depth that isn't there. Much like the series itself, there are great moments but it was sloppily written and a bit half baked.

by Anonymousreply 4912/06/2017

It’s pretty clear Tony is killed by the fidgety guy in the gray jacket. Otherwise, why show him so much?

by Anonymousreply 5012/06/2017


by Anonymousreply 5112/06/2017

David Chase is full of shit.

by Anonymousreply 5212/06/2017

R50, the ending crystallizes Tony’s life for us before Chase pulls the plug on the storytelling.

Tony is with his family. These people are fucked up, highly dysfunctional, but they’re a family and they love each other.

Tony’s life is unsure and full of danger. That’s what they shadowy guy in the members only jacket represents. Not his death, but the riskiness of a mobster’s existence. Who is this guy? Just some schmo? An assassin? Who knows. What we do know is, it’s not a problem most of us have to worry about.

Chase does the exact opposite of tying everything up tightly in a bow. He just cuts the tape. Story over. Because in real lives, there are no neat endings.

I’m so tired of the insistence that Tony dies. Not because I don’t want him to be alive OR dead, but because it’s so gross that the same people who leeringly egged Tony in from one crime to the next now want to see him punished for what they do approvingly followed for so many years.

So many of the theories are full of shit. The most peddled one is, Bobby and Tony have that conversation about not hearing the one that gets you, so when the story cuts like that, it means Tony was shot. But if that’s supoosely true, why do we see Bobby whacked, and the aftermath? It’s Bobby’s theory, after all.

The other theory is he gets whacked because of the war with New York but that’s total bullshit too. Tony’s basically the only guy left in Jersey and New York needs him there to earn for them.

by Anonymousreply 5312/06/2017

[quote] The ending to The Sopranos all these years still shocks me on a real personal level.

It was wrong... [italic]shockingly[/italic] wrong!

by Anonymousreply 5412/06/2017

I think it was on my second re-watch of the entire series that I became fascinated by the recurring motif of wind / breeze as a metaphor for the spiritual realm, the characters' mortality, and the urgency of them attending to their guilt and any hope any of them have of redemption. Often it's wind rustling through trees, but of course in the final scenes it's there in the bell chiming as the door opens and closes. When Tony is shot someone leaves a Post It with an Ojibwa saying on his noticeboard. He accuses Janice of leaving it there but she denies it. It's never revealed.Some think it's the two evangelical Christians who visit Tony and pray for him. '"Sometimes I go about in pity for myself, and all the while, a great wind carries me across the sky."

by Anonymousreply 5512/06/2017

The blackness signified death; Tony Soprano's death. I don't know how anybody could NOT have gotten that. The same effect was used in "United 93", the film about the doomed 9/11 flight of United Airlines Flight 93. I thought the ending of that film was even more devastating than the one on the Sopranos, because that movie was based on real incident. The horror really happened.

by Anonymousreply 5612/06/2017

[quote]There is no other reason to have had a scene earlier in the episode with the Parisis having Tony and Carmella over.

Hello? Donna Pescow plays Patsy's wife. THAT'S a reason.

by Anonymousreply 5712/06/2017

Chase does the exact opposite of tying everything up tightly in a bow. He just cuts the tape. Story over. Because in real lives, there are no neat endings.

R53-What you said above is exactly why he 's dead

by Anonymousreply 5812/06/2017

r58 he's a coward as a writer. He couldn't kill off the hero--one who stood in for a lot of middle aged white men of a certain time and place, like Chase himself.

by Anonymousreply 5912/06/2017

[quote]Tony’s basically the only guy left in Jersey and New York needs him there to earn for them.

Paulie is left. He is the great survivor. He always kept in with Little Carmine and Johnny Sac so New York would let him run Jersye after the hits on Tony, Bobby and Silvio. Pauly resented Tony's treatment of him over the years, it builds up, and he hated Carmela too, we see that when Pauly and Sal try to get away with paying her when Tony is in the hospital, Pauly calls her a fuckin princess or something.

by Anonymousreply 6012/06/2017

Well, I think he was blown away but I wonder if the guy took out Carmella and Jr and just walked past Meadow on the way out.

Well since Gandolfini has passed, there will be no movie or follow up anyway.

by Anonymousreply 6112/06/2017

[quote]This was all with the approval of Butch DeConcini, who resented Tony for having Phil Leotardo hit in front of his wife and grandchildren. You NEVER do that in front of family.

But Tony is whacked in front of his family. But then, as Philly constantly complains, no one follows the rules of this thing anymore. Guys are getting made without the gun on the table, it's fucked up.

by Anonymousreply 6212/06/2017

R59 you know I think Tony is dead as well, but you may have a point here. Its like Chase can not just out right admit that he killed off the character. Somehow by not being clear he keeps the character alive somehow.

by Anonymousreply 6312/06/2017

Good grief, Tony, his son and Carmella are all dead because they ask for it. Meadow was probably left alive with whatever life she has left.

by Anonymousreply 6412/06/2017

It's all a big nothing.

by Anonymousreply 6512/06/2017

Somehow, R63.

by Anonymousreply 6612/06/2017

[quote] Donna Pescow plays Patsy's wife.


by Anonymousreply 6712/06/2017

R66 Or other.

by Anonymousreply 6812/06/2017

The final episode was a major cop-out. Making the ending all artsy-fartsy when the show and characters were so black and white.

by Anonymousreply 6912/06/2017

[quote]and that fucking scene is sobering to say the least and quite horrifying.

If ya ain't a Guido, OP, you need to go back to special school and let them know you're still pissing your pants in public.

Do people call you Thicky?

by Anonymousreply 7012/06/2017

I think the fans of the Sopranos fervently hoped that some day, some day, there would be a Sopranos movie. But the death of James Gandolfini ended that dream. With his death, Tony Soprano died, once and for all.

by Anonymousreply 7112/06/2017

Did you even watch the show r69? There was nothing black and white about the characters.

by Anonymousreply 7212/06/2017

It is the greatest ending of the greatest TV drama series of all time.


I can't imagine a movie would have improved the legacy, let alone the story, in any way, were it done in the last 10 years.

Plus, they can always do it with everybody else and plot it around Tony's funeral, if they really wanted to do it.

Chase has hinted about a prequel, and I must admit I would love a series set in the 50s/60s all about the old days.

But, that's just me.

by Anonymousreply 7312/06/2017

A movie about the Sopranos without Tony Soprano? That 's never going the happen. He WAS that show. And a "prequel" that I assume would have actors playing Tony and Carmela as young and in love? That sounds like SUCH a bad idea.

by Anonymousreply 7412/06/2017

I'm glad Tony wasn't shown being killed. I was sort of dreading the finale because I thought that might happen. I'm fine with the way it ended.

by Anonymousreply 7512/06/2017

Every single episode R72

by Anonymousreply 7612/06/2017

I'm with you r73, I'd love a prequel.

by Anonymousreply 7712/06/2017

There were so many layers r76. Everything the characters wore, said or cared about had a deeper meaning including the colours chosen, the food they ate, the animals they cared for to the print on their clothing. If all you saw was a mob boss kill people week in week out, then the real story was missed

by Anonymousreply 7812/06/2017

R69 I agree. It was a straight forward show with a few pretensions here and there. The ending was the biggest pretension of all. Most of the people who watched that show didn't watch it for a vague and wishy washy ending.

by Anonymousreply 7912/06/2017

Thanks, R77 . I so want it to happen someday.

And, no, R74 , Tony and Carmela weren't even born (or just toddlers), in the early 50s.

The flashback scenes with Tony's father were strong enough (decapitation included) and so skillfully rendered to buttress support of a prequel.

But, just me.

by Anonymousreply 8012/06/2017

OP, was the period of time before you were conceived "quite horrifying"?

by Anonymousreply 8112/06/2017

I have a question about "rosebud", but I don't want to spoil the film for anyone!!!

by Anonymousreply 8212/06/2017

So Tony and and Carmela would be toddlers in the 50s? Well, who would be in a Soprano "prequel", then? Their parents? And would little Tony and Carm be in the movie as their little biddy toddler selves? A prequel sounds like it would an act of sheer desperation to start a Sopranos movie franchise. I don't see it happening, although it's evident from this thread that Sopranos fans are so fanatical that they'd be willing to watch anything that has anything to do with the Sopranos, no matter how ridiculous or ill-conceived it might be.

by Anonymousreply 8312/06/2017

It ended like that so they could make a big screen movie, which never materialized for reasons that are obvious. There was no deep thought or multiple meanings behind it.

Great show, but it hasn't been on TV in years so it's largely forgotten today.

by Anonymousreply 8412/06/2017

r84 please provide link to your claim. Who is they? Who wanted to make a big screen movie?

by Anonymousreply 8512/06/2017

I'm not fucking google.

The people who created a show wanted a make a big screen movie to tie things up. It's not rocket science. It's the same thing HBO did with Sex and the City. Milk a cash cow.

by Anonymousreply 8612/06/2017

R62 yes, Tony is whacked in front of his family IN RETALIATION for them having done it to Phil in front of HIS family.

Butch gave the ok for Tony to have Phil whacked. But he never imagined that it would be done directly in front of his wife and grandchildren. (Or that his head would get run over and crushed)

by Anonymousreply 8712/07/2017

I get it, R87!!

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by Anonymousreply 8912/07/2017

The best description I read about this scene said that it used a technique common in film - you see a character then see what that character sees. Only in the Soprano scene, the viewer is set up to expect it. So, the bell on the door rings, you see what Tony sees (the person coming through the door), then you see Tony. It happens exactly that way many times. Then the man that was sitting at the counter comes out of the restroom and is behind Tony just as Meadow opens the door The bell rings, Then you see what Tony sees - nothing. He's dead. Works for me.

by Anonymousreply 9012/07/2017

[quote] I wonder if the guy took out Carmella and Jr and just walked past Meadow on the way out.

The Mafia almost NEVER kills family members too when they put a hit out on anyone--if they did, they would automatically make their own family members vulnerable to counter-hits, and there would be all-out war, and then the Feds would step in much more strongly than they do.

by Anonymousreply 9112/07/2017


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by Anonymousreply 9312/07/2017

Considering that r92 is actually you, R92, then I think you can answer your own question.

by Anonymousreply 9412/07/2017

R91 see r87

by Anonymousreply 9512/07/2017

Adriana's last scene was heartbreaking and horrifying but hell she deserved it.

by Anonymousreply 9612/07/2017

I don't think she deserved it r96. In a sea of shitty evil people she was one of the less shitty ones. She didn't deserve to die crawling through the forest like an animal.

by Anonymousreply 9712/07/2017

TOMY didnt die. They're still working on a Soprano movie just like the Sex in the City movie.

by Anonymousreply 9812/07/2017

Well considering James Gandolfini is actually dead r98, how do propose they make this movie? The public won't want another actor playing his part. Some of the other mobsters are dead too.

by Anonymousreply 9912/07/2017

If the rest of the show was as annoying as the ending, glad I missed it.

by Anonymousreply 10012/07/2017

R100 Actually it was more annoying! It was a pretentious mess at the end. Otherwise, it was a soap opera about a mafia family and not a good one at that.

by Anonymousreply 10112/08/2017

[quote]If the rest of the show was as annoying as the ending, glad I missed it.

The show isn't even as annoying as you.

by Anonymousreply 10212/08/2017

I just finished a marathon of The Sopranos. I missed it first go around. Since the whole series was on Prime, I watched it. Some of it was good, but bored in some episodes. The ending was a cop-out.

by Anonymousreply 10302/26/2018

That ending was a big nothing at a high-school level of cleverness. "It won't end; it'll just STOP!!!!!" Such a cop-out....That show was so smart, and that ending was so dumb.

by Anonymousreply 10402/26/2018

The ending is pure genius. They signal the meaning of the ending 100 times, at least, during the last few seasons.

by Anonymousreply 10502/27/2018

[quote] "It won't end; it'll just STOP!!!!!" Such a cop-out....

It's not a cop out, it's brilliant. Loved that the story just cut out.

But there are just people who can't process the fact that the storytelling just ends and that is that. They are the ones who urge you to believe that the story cuts off because Tony is dead in his plate of onion rings. They have to find a "reason" for it and goddam are the passionate about it. A high percentage of them are Italian Americans, I was surprised to see. The same people who leered and cheered Tony on in his murderous career then got all pious at the end and had to see him dead, and "punished" for what they so enjoyed watching him do. This is the sort of mentality that insists that the cut off must mean death and nothing else.

by Anonymousreply 10602/27/2018

THE SOPRANOS ending was exactly the opposite of TRUE BLOOD, which wrapped everything up in a putrid, pathetic bow. Just horrible... such a bad ending.

In 10 years, nobody will be talking about TRUE BLOOD (are they now?), but THE SOPRANOS ending will be debated forever. It was brilliant and unprecedented.

by Anonymousreply 10702/27/2018

During the sixth season, Chase showed the audience all the different possible endings for Tony Soprano: dying in jail (Johnny Sack); dying neglected and alone in an old-age home (Junior); or being gunned down -- possibly in view of his family (MADE IN AMERICA).

by Anonymousreply 10802/27/2018

It's a cop-out. The duty of an artist is to SHAPE, not just to STOP. Anyone can stop. I wish this thread would stop, because it's getting on my nerves--all this talk about genius.

by Anonymousreply 10902/27/2018

R109, the "duty" of an artist is to CREATE. That's it. Take it or leave it (which is what you should do with this thread).

by Anonymousreply 11002/27/2018

Just before the screen goes black they should have added the soung of a gun shot, halted mid way. It would have been clearer and made the ending more poignant. Life just ends like that, in a half second. The end.

by Anonymousreply 11102/27/2018

Entertaining show, but I never got the "Best drama ever!!!" Accolades. Top 10, maybe. But not the best.

Six Feet Under, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones...those are my top 3.

by Anonymousreply 11202/27/2018

Almost everyone Tony killed during the course of the show was a dear friend or family- cousin Tony, Pussy, Chrissy, ... it’s pretty effed up.

I do think he died, based on the cuts shaping the scene from his POV. But I don’t think Paulie was a part of it! That’s too shocking to me. He was just annoying and a good soldier, right???

by Anonymousreply 11302/27/2018

[quote]That ending was a big nothing at a high-school level of cleverness. "It won't end; it'll just STOP!!!!!" Such a cop-out....That show was so smart, and that ending was so dumb.

Tony was sitting there watching the front door. The hitman came out of the bathroom with a gun a foot away from his face. Ever heard the expression, "he never saw it coming"? It went to black as Tony's head was blown off. OK?

by Anonymousreply 11402/27/2018

The series should have ended with Tony exposed as the real informant testifying against the rest of the mob.

by Anonymousreply 11503/04/2018

[quote]Entertaining show, but I never got the "Best drama ever!!!" Accolades. Top 10, maybe. But not the best. Six Feet Under, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones...those are my top 3.

Yeah, I didn't like any of those as much as The Sopranos. Only Breaking Bad comes close. I tried to binge on 6FU earlier this year, but I could not put up with those pinched-sphincter Fishers past the pilot this time, knowing what was coming. And GoT just isn't my kind of show.

by Anonymousreply 11603/04/2018

Yeah, that would have been VERY satisfying, r115.

by Anonymousreply 11703/04/2018

Ooo, I just checked to see if anyone was streaming this on-line, and HBO says "watch from the beginning for free". No idea if that really is a no strings attached watch the whole series for free, but thought I'd share the info anyway.

by Anonymousreply 11803/05/2018

With this prequel, Chase may let us see what Tony Soprano meant when he said to his Ma', "everybody thought dad was the ruthless one, but I gotta hand it to you, if you were born after them feminists you would have been the real gangster."

by Anonymousreply 11903/14/2018

Tony ends up divorced, dead, or in the clutches of the FBI. Any of them endings is plausible. He was a fuckin bully w everyone. He deserved what was coming to him. But as one of the songs by Journey songs said, "any way you want it."

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