Southern California Wildfires Force Thousands to Flee
|by Anonymous||reply 149||Last Thursday at 12:45 AM|
OP why the WTF?? I don't see what is so odd about this story to cause you to be such a damn MARY! Drop the drama.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||12/05/2017|
Nice bi polar metal case overreaction, r1.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||12/05/2017|
Sorry, R3, but he's right. It's Southern California. And Wildfires. No big WTF.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||12/05/2017|
Not in Dec, r3/hon. Duh!
|by Anonymous||reply 4||12/05/2017|
This is an example of something blue state california needs to look to red southeatern states. They need to stop focusing on fire supression and incorporate large scale prescribed burns.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||12/05/2017|
CA is becoming a less habitable place with each year.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||12/05/2017|
3 wildfires now and the So Cal wildfire don't wipe out out neighborhoods every year. This is usual.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||12/05/2017|
Santa Paul Ca fire - 175 homes lost and 30,000 people evacuated. 50,000 acres 0% containment. 1 dead.
Sylmar fire - 34 home lost 2,700 homes evacuated
Santa Clarita - 1,000 acres 0% containment.
r1 and r3, YOU'RE WRONG but I'm sure that's not unusual for the two of you.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||12/05/2017|
It was REALLY windy last night. Combined with the fact that we've had virtually no measurable rain this fall, and you have very dangerous conditions.
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|by Anonymous||reply 12||12/05/2017|
I feel bad for the people of Santa Clarita. Earlier this year they had a flood, now they have a fire to contend with.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||12/05/2017|
No, these fires are different especially on the heals of Santa Rosa.
The weather is just different here now. It's changed. No rain. Long periods of strange high clouds. Wildfires with no chance of containment that hit homes.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||12/05/2017|
r1 and r3 on a date.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||12/05/2017|
Now Bel Air along the 405.
Homeless people camped in the brush below the expensive houses set fires to keep warm and then the winds rise.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||12/06/2017|
Beverly Glen is closed...massive fire.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||12/06/2017|
Now it's a rich, white people fire. 405 closed in BOTH directions. END TIMES!
|by Anonymous||reply 18||12/06/2017|
Sad Last Days
|by Anonymous||reply 19||12/06/2017|
The South has nothing to teach California in the wildfire department. A controlled burn in an area with 50 inches of annual rain is not the same as a controlled burn in an area with 15 inches.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||12/06/2017|
These are super-fires, they are advancing a football field a second. This is an ecological disaster.
California is treating them as five different fires: Ventura, San Bernardino, Sylmar, Bel Air, and Santa Clarita.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||12/06/2017|
Does anyone think someone is setting these fires?
|by Anonymous||reply 22||12/06/2017|
It's strange but these fires almost sound strategic. There will be an exodus of democrats out of these counties if for no other reason that there is nothing to come back to. The fires have destroyed everything.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||12/06/2017|
A lot of speculation that these are politically connected arsons. In other times, we would have laughed. How depressing that it would even seem like a possibility.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||12/06/2017|
Not gonna happen, R23.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||12/06/2017|
If anything, those day laborers will have lots more work because those multi million dollar homes need to be rebuilt. If the fires destroyed neighborhoods like Westwood and WLA, you'd have a bigger problem because many of those homeowners are mortgaged to the teeth and live on credit cards.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||12/06/2017|
West Hollywood gays, I think our time has arrived you whores. : (
You stay safe out there and remember we can always set up camp in another part of Souther Cali. Nothing we can't rebuilt later on. Love you all.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||12/06/2017|
They're being set. I thought the same about the Nor Cal ones.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||12/06/2017|
You can smell the smoke in Santa Monica this AM!
|by Anonymous||reply 29||12/06/2017|
OH NO, Rupert Murdoch's home just exploded as per NBC LA.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||12/06/2017|
I stand by r16.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||12/06/2017|
DM reporting multiple incidents started fires.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||12/06/2017|
sorry re 20 but your wrong. The issue isnt just rain or lack there of... it is vegetation. Both have fire dependant ecosystems with vegetation that needs to burn to reproduce. Some parts of Florida get over 90 inches of rain. Yet they are highly fire prone due to native vegetation that is easily ignited by lightening. Waxly vegetation like saw palmeto burns as hot as Chaparral plants in california: both act as accelerants that spread fire which is required for seed germination. In much of the southeast the prescribed fires are done in the driest and coldest months (jan-feb). The chumash indians regualrly conducted prescribed fires to improve biodiversity.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||12/06/2017|
But look on the bright side- California is now a Sanctuary State!
|by Anonymous||reply 34||12/06/2017|
Hope the Getty Museum survives.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||12/06/2017|
California also has some added species like eucalyptus that spread fire.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||12/06/2017|
Bel Air and Brentwood had a massive fire in 1961 that burned 500 homes including the homes of Burt Lancaster and Zsa Zsa Gabor.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||12/06/2017|
R35, The Getty is the other side of the 405 Freeway, and for now, is not threatened, thanks to calm winds. (they had already planned to be closed today, due to overall air quality/particulate matter from the Sylmar fire).
However, if this fire had started 24 hours earlier, when the winds were blowing so fiercely, it would have been VERY bad news. The fire would have jumped the 405 wthin minutes and would be raging southwest across the hills of Brentwood, threatening the Getty, Mount Saint Mary's college, Mandeville Canyon.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||12/06/2017|
I drove Interstate 15 south on Monday and in the stretch from the Cajon Pass down through Ontario, Norco and Corona the wind was hellacious. Trash blowing all over the freeway, dust, the car shaking... I drove slower than normal but many cars were still just flying right along at 80 mph.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||12/06/2017|
The fire even made it to the Pacific Ocean.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||12/06/2017|
Trump is destroying the world.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||12/06/2017|
Jason, get me the hose.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||12/06/2017|
Does anyone seriously think they are being set by someone? Who? Why? Or is it natural?
|by Anonymous||reply 43||12/06/2017|
Who wait until the Santa Ana winds come up?
|by Anonymous||reply 44||12/06/2017|
Homeless camps, that's where they are starting...
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|by Anonymous||reply 49||12/06/2017|
I heard someone on the news say if the fire reaches Santa Paula they'd be unable to do anything about it. I didn't catch why Santa Paula is a problem?
|by Anonymous||reply 50||12/06/2017|
It wasn't me!
|by Anonymous||reply 51||12/06/2017|
Skirball Fire this morning along the Sepulveda Pass
|by Anonymous||reply 52||12/06/2017|
OT but Eric Garcetti's [slow] Spanish is so understandable.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||12/06/2017|
r48 I got that alert too.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||12/06/2017|
The Santa Ana winds have kicked up again. My windows are rattling and my house keeps popping and creaking.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||12/06/2017|
The only thing I can think of about Santa Paula burning is the thin roads and old wood houses
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|by Anonymous||reply 57||12/06/2017|
No big whoop.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||12/06/2017|
In an updated story, though THOUSANDS have fled, MILLIONS of illegals have moved into their homes, on fire or not.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||12/06/2017|
It is only getting worse.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||12/07/2017|
There was a new fire in Malibu, but it was contained before it could threaten homes.
So I guess Babs's mall won't be having a fire sale.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||12/07/2017|
[quote] Does anyone think someone is setting these fires?
Considering the last one affected the wine and weed industries, I wouldn't rule it out.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||12/07/2017|
It looks like Mother Nature is having her period.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||12/07/2017|
[quote]Arsonists? Who wait until the Santa Ana winds come up?
Are you kidding? That's the perfect cover to make it look accidental.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||12/07/2017|
That is truly terrifying shit!
|by Anonymous||reply 65||12/07/2017|
Yeah, what R64 said. Why would anyone be surprised that Arsonists would strike when the ideal conditions are met?
|by Anonymous||reply 66||12/07/2017|
Is there a law in CA that you must have fire insurance?
|by Anonymous||reply 67||12/07/2017|
Guys, I have a bunch of stuff in storage in Monrovia. Do I need to go get it before the warehouse burns down? Can I even get out there at this point? Also, I was planning to go to downtown LA on that trip. Is that a mess too?
I recently sold property in the Temecula area, near Murrieta. For years, there was some nutter out there who would set fires every year. I don’t know if they ever caught him. There were a lot of copycat fires out there year after year, so expect more in the Riverside area. Lots of dry brush near the freeways.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||12/07/2017|
The Liberty Fire broke out in Murrieta just this afternoon.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||12/07/2017|
It’s probably the copycat pyro out there, R69. Anything near Monrovia yet? Do I have to go rent a truck?
|by Anonymous||reply 70||12/07/2017|
Yes, you need fire insurance if you live in certain areas and have a mortgage.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||12/07/2017|
[quote] Is there a law in CA that you must have fire insurance?
If you have a mortgage the bank requires it. You don't have to if you don't have a mortgage but it would be completely insane not to have it.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||12/07/2017|
How are the DL Californians? Are you safe?
|by Anonymous||reply 73||12/07/2017|
Safe, but the air is filled with smoke, and the dry winds are doing a number on my eyes, nose, and throat.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||12/07/2017|
Take care of yourself, R74. It must be tough for people with lung conditions.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||12/07/2017|
[quote]Guys, I have a bunch of stuff in storage in Monrovia. Do I need to go get it before the warehouse burns down? Can I even get out there at this point? Also, I was planning to go to downtown LA on that trip. Is that a mess too?
I live near Monrovia (where the new Aldi opened today!) No fires anywhere near here. Yet.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||12/07/2017|
Today I broke down crying after reading a tweet about people trying to rescue [bold]1,000 horses[/bold] and there not being means to save them. KTLA said the fires were entering Los Angeles National Forest. There are a lot of animal sanctuaries in those areas from mosquitoes to wild cats and elephants. : (
I hate tin hats but this fires are suspicious. People can rebuild houses, and so far people are being smart about evacuating, but the bunnie farms and our animal sanctuaries will not be so lucky. Logistically it seems impossible to save every animal.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||12/07/2017|
I live in Ventura. Monday night and Tuesday were the worst in my area. Safe now, but the sky is still hideous and it stinks like a campfire. We're supposed to boil any tap water before using it for drinking, cooking, etc. There's also a curfew from 10PM-5AM, supposedly to prevent looting in evacuated areas.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||12/07/2017|
And now San Diego has the Lilac Fires...
|by Anonymous||reply 79||12/07/2017|
During ww2, the Japanese hatched a plan to start wildfires in the NW.
Killed one woman on a church picnic in Oregon
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|by Anonymous||reply 81||12/07/2017|
One of the tv news anchors said that this was too coincidental to be a natural disaster. I was shocked he said that on tv. I think there is a growing concern with Californians that this might be premeditated.
This fires will definitely change the outcome of the 2018 elections. Maybe the two Russian puppets Darrel Issa and Dana Rohrabacher might be able to keep their seats after all.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||12/08/2017|
Rachel Maddow called Rohrabacher "the senator from Moscow" the other day. Just slipped it into a comment about other things. Loved it.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||12/08/2017|
r83 He's not a senator, so ???
|by Anonymous||reply 84||12/08/2017|
[quote] Los Angeles National Forest.
It's just "Angeles National Forest." No "Los."
|by Anonymous||reply 85||12/08/2017|
In the recent fires up north, the owner was able to save 1000 exotic animals in his wildlife sanctuary.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||12/08/2017|
[quote]During ww2, the Japanese hatched a plan to start wildfires in the NW.
So, r80, you're saying the Japanese are just slow and with poor direction?
|by Anonymous||reply 87||12/08/2017|
Thanks so much, R76.
I have elderly friends in Ventura on East Thompson Road I’m worried about. They have a shop full of antiques and have lived there all their lives.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||12/08/2017|
R87, it involved a low tech plan of using the jet stream to drift balloons over the west coast that started fires:
In the 1940s, the Japanese were mapping out air currents by launching balloons attached with measuring instruments from the western side of Japan and picking them up on the eastern side. The researchers noticed that a strong air current traveled across the Pacific at about 30,000 feet. Using that knowledge, in 1944 the Japanese military made what many experts consider the first intercontinental weapon system: explosive devices attached to paper balloons that were buoyed across the ocean by a jet stream.
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|by Anonymous||reply 90||12/08/2017|
In January of this year, there was some kind of newsletter that came out, from ISIS or ISIS-affiliated org., that put forward the idea of starting wildfires to invoke terror. There was a section in the document, titled Just Terror, that gave highly detailed ways to use fire as a weapon - the inspiration of their idea came from fires in Israel. The details were straight-out disgusting - how to plan the fires to trap exits, where to set them for maximum damage, how, ways to make sure the arsonists don't end up setting themselves on fire in the process, ect.
NOT saying they did it, but the thought has crossed my mind. After reading about the newsletter, of course it did.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||12/08/2017|
Here’s an article about the Israeli fires which were treated as a terrorist attack. The article is from November 2016, but it sounds like there were a lot of fires before that.
I read elsewhere that ISIS was suggesting fires as a form of terrorism as early as 2012. People in California are used to fires and take something like this for granted. But it’s pretty obvious at least some of the later fires are probably copycat arson.
It’s not out of the question that somebody that’s organized like the Russians or ISIS could be doing it on purpose. The whole point is terrorism without anyone to retaliate against, since you can’t prove anything.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||12/08/2017|
It’s so sad, R77. Stories and video coming out where people are trying to rescue horses have me in tears. The gentle barn (Santa Clarita area I believe) seems ok. Thanks for checking in, R78.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||12/08/2017|
r46 i love it the homeless get the last laugh on these overly lavish homes.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||12/08/2017|
"She comes down from Yellow Mountain..."
|by Anonymous||reply 95||12/08/2017|
...thoughts and prayers
|by Anonymous||reply 96||12/08/2017|
R68 The air quality here is awful. I have a relative who works outdoors for the high schools. The grounds employees tried to go back to work today, had to wear masks, and couldn't make it past two hours. If anything, it's worse than yesterday. Hope your friends are ok. (If they own the shop next to the Hong Kong Inn- that place is amazing!)
|by Anonymous||reply 97||12/08/2017|
R78, They own a shop in a residential section with another antique store across the street. Both shops are in converted houses.
There is some sort of motel looking thing down the street, and their house/store is amazing. All the walls were painted mustard yellow with Spanish motif floral murals around all the doors by their daughter. They have beautiful furniture and paintings, it’s something really special. Not a junk store, everything is specifically in the Old California style. It would be a shame if they lost that place, it’s their life’s work.
They opened their store in 1979.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||12/08/2017|
Oh, ok. I know the place just from your description. I've heard they're very helpful and are wonderful at zooming in on just what you want. Thanks for responding!
|by Anonymous||reply 99||12/08/2017|
Is it real now?
Paris Hilton, Lionel Richie, other celebs flee homes as So. Calif. wildfires close in
|by Anonymous||reply 100||12/08/2017|
Debby Boone will sing us all to sleep.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||12/08/2017|
What the motherfucking hell is going on in Ojai right now? The fire map shows it surrounded on three sides by active fires, with all the major roads in fire zones! Is it even possible to evacuate, if the wind kicks up?
I was there in early November, and yeah, the entire area was tinder-dry.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||12/08/2017|
arson should not be dismissed. it's odd.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||12/08/2017|
My friend in Ojai couldn't take it there anymore, packed a suitcase and took the train down here to Laguna. She took a video of all the rooms and doesn't give a shit at this point.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||12/08/2017|
Like many of you here on DL, I’ve (reluctantly) suspected that several of these fires have been deliberately set.
I’m not a conspiracy theorist and it was another friend out here in SoCal who pointed out to me how so many fires happening in so many unconnected areas in December here was bizarre—and also how the Santa Ana winds are an arsonists dream (good cover for them and helps their “work” spread quickly).
With all the different, unconnected fire locations continuing to pop up and so much damage and destruction happening (I cried seeing the footage of the burning horses running for their lives), this all makes me furious and I’m inclined to think people *are* setting these fires.
I hope the L.A. Sheriff’s Department and the LAPD are developing better arson investigation units so this won’t happen anymore or at least can be stopped quicker in the future.
One confirmed arsonist was caught last night in Anaheim Hills by 2 good Samaritans who saw him sneaking around in the brush in the dark...
|by Anonymous||reply 105||12/09/2017|
Why are we focusing on stopping rogue actors of the fires? Why not just stop the Santa Ana winds?
|by Anonymous||reply 106||12/09/2017|
Most insurance companies will not insure properties deemed to be in fire areas which is most of the state outside major cities.
So the state of Calif has provided the possibility of fire insurance through the state for those who cannot obtain it through their insurance companies. OK good, but its very expensive Outrageously expensive.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||12/09/2017|
Firefighters battling brush fire in Monrovia area
|by Anonymous||reply 108||12/09/2017|
#Huntley Hotel in Santa Monica burning
|by Anonymous||reply 109||12/09/2017|
Lilac Fire: At Least 46 Horses Dead, Others Missing From San Diego County Training Facility
|by Anonymous||reply 110||12/09/2017|
2 minutes ago
#BREAKING: Evacuations have been ordered as a brush fire burns in Monrovia
|by Anonymous||reply 111||12/09/2017|
Unexplained plane lights seen over South Carolina county
Strange lights over Denver tonight, too
|by Anonymous||reply 112||12/09/2017|
Californians, how are things where you are? How are you?
|by Anonymous||reply 113||12/09/2017|
stay safe DLers in CA!!! I'm praying for ya!
|by Anonymous||reply 114||12/09/2017|
The #thomasfire has now burned 155,000 acres. Fire fighters will do a controlled burn tonight near Lake Casitas to burn brush between the fire and highway 150.
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|by Anonymous||reply 116||12/09/2017|
r1 and r3 = fucktard douche cunts.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||12/09/2017|
How do these individual hotels and homes (like the one in Santa Monica and the few luxe houses in Bel Air) keep getting started on fire??
I still think there’s arson involved here...
|by Anonymous||reply 118||Last Sunday at 1:22 AM|
Wildfires do send out sparks, R118, which can set fires at some distance from the main blaze.
But if anyone in the area thinks that a fire insurance payout might be worth the trouble, there might be other explanations....
|by Anonymous||reply 119||Last Sunday at 6:39 AM|
They are investigating Monrovia as arson.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||Last Sunday at 6:51 AM|
I believe they're being set.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||Last Sunday at 7:02 AM|
The Ventura fire just topped 200,000 acres
|by Anonymous||reply 122||Last Sunday at 4:00 PM|
who is starting the fires?
|by Anonymous||reply 123||Last Sunday at 4:07 PM|
Read In Suspect Terrain by John McPhee. People have no business living there. They should pay for the firefighting
|by Anonymous||reply 124||Last Sunday at 4:08 PM|
Ellen's beautiful Santa Barbara home, recently put on the market for $4o mill,' is about to be kindling.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||Last Sunday at 4:13 PM|
Houses, or rather estates, currently for sale in Montecito.
|by Anonymous||reply 126||Last Sunday at 6:06 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 127||Last Monday at 4:02 PM|
One week later, still out of control. 20% of Ventura Co. has been charred.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||Last Tuesday at 6:07 AM|
Oprah evacuated as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||Last Tuesday at 6:30 AM|
[quote]Oprah evacuated as well.
Ex-Lax or probiotics?
|by Anonymous||reply 130||Last Tuesday at 7:13 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 131||Last Tuesday at 7:19 AM|
How the fire has grown over the past seven days.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||Last Tuesday at 9:23 AM|
God hates remakes.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||Last Tuesday at 10:05 AM|
Since the first padres opened the first missions in California, and since the first wagons of settlers came over the Sierras, two things have remained a constant (1) it is a highly-active earthquake zone and (2) Southern California has experienced landslides and wildfires. It they want to build these bigger and bigger mansions higher and higher into the mountainous arid near-desert forests, then go right ahead. Just don't complain when you $40 mil. burns to the ground or crumbles into the ocean.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||Last Tuesday at 10:18 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 135||Last Tuesday at 10:21 AM|
I wonder whether the hurricanes keep wildfires from being more prevalent on the east coast.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||Last Tuesday at 10:26 AM|
it rains in the summer on the east coast, that's why wildfires aren't such a problem there.
Really, people who live east of the Rockies don't understand how incredibly fucking dry California is by fall, in a normal year most of the state hasn't seen a drop of rain in six months by October. Southern California is naturally prone to wildfires, as the driest and most flammable part of the year coincides with the hard dry Santa Ana winds that blow into the desert; they not only turn a single spark from a cigarette into a raging firestorm, they blow the smoke and fire from wilderness to inhabited areas. Fires are so naturally common there that many of the plant species have evolved to propogate after the fires, they expect them to happen frequently.
Southern California could do a better job of managing fire risk, but I don't know how much can be done. I have no idea if they do controlled burns like they do in the Sierras, but the fact is that no amount of human management can control a force of nature. There ARE going to be fires there, no matter what the humans do, all we can do is work on protecting the inhabited areas.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||Last Tuesday at 11:17 AM|
r137 you contradicted yourself.
If the climate is so volatile that a cigarette can cause an inferno, then human management can have a large impact. Earthquakes, which are tectonic phenomena of the earth's crust, can't be prevented by man. All you can do is cut through the usual bureaucratic corruption around building/zoning codes and hope for the best. Some wildfires are natural, but you can prevent many by draconian measures, including kicking homeless out of high fire areas, especially in peak season.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||Last Tuesday at 12:55 PM|
When I lived in central California, it was dry most of the year except for 2-3 months starting in February, when it rained and everything briefly turned green.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||Last Tuesday at 1:17 PM|
A group of hobos living under the Sepulveda pass started the Skirball- Bel Air fire.
A night around the fire roasting marshmellows went horribly awry.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||Last Tuesday at 1:21 PM|
Hobos have money for marshmallows? Or did they kill some other hobos and boil their bones for the gelatin, which was then used to make marshmallows, which then accidentally started the Bel Air fire?
|by Anonymous||reply 141||Last Tuesday at 1:22 PM|
I was kidding about the marshmallows, R141.
They were trying to cook up the "campfire hobo dinner" as featured below.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||Last Tuesday at 1:36 PM|
Breaking: A cooking fire at a homeless encampment sparked Bel-Air's Skirball fire, officials say
|by Anonymous||reply 143||Last Tuesday at 1:44 PM|
Hello R143 - please see above!
|by Anonymous||reply 144||Last Tuesday at 1:47 PM|
Fossil records show that wildfires have been a problem in the Western U.S. for millennia, before people (including so-called Native Americans) even showed up. Entire species of plant life rely on the fires to spur reproduction. "Hobo campfires" may be blamed for recent fires, but the rampant development of multi-million dollar palaces in these highly susceptible mountainous arid forested regions is just stupid and short-sighted.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||Last Wednesday at 6:45 AM|
What is keeping them from just clearing the brush away when it is a threat to human life?
|by Anonymous||reply 146||Last Wednesday at 6:49 AM|
R146, all the mountains that surround the Santa Barbara, LA, and San Diego urban areas are naturally covered in "brush". You can't clear all the plant life out of an entire region!
Now all sensible property owners clear the brush away from their houses and in civilized areas the brush is gone and irrigated gardens have taken its place, but that's not enough to stop the wildfires. When the wind is strong and the flames are high, sparks can fly great distances and ignite almost anything, your roof, your garden, the brush on the next hill over, anything will burn because it's all so fucking dry by fall. I suppose there might be a program of clearing brush away from the perimeters of inhabited areas, but that would cost a lot of money, there are ecological concerns, and if you strop the vegetation off a mountainside it becomes more prone to landslides. Mother Nature intends that area to have wildfires, and stopping her getting what she wants is never that easy.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||Last Wednesday at 7:23 AM|
R16/R31 called it on the cause of the Skirball (Bel Air) fire.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||Last Wednesday at 9:36 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 149||Last Thursday at 12:45 AM|