Which one of these Dames is more talented?
Judi Dench vs. Maggie Smith
|by Anonymous||reply 89||Last Saturday at 4:32 PM|
I'm a big fan of Judi's, although I certainly enjoy Maggie.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||12/01/2017|
They've both reached the age where just play their public personae.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||12/01/2017|
Judi. She did musicals, comedy, drama, Shakespeare, the legitimate theater, tv and movies.
Although Maggie ain't half bad.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||12/01/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 4||12/01/2017|
Glenda Jackson is more talented than the pair of them combined.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||12/01/2017|
I think the current celebration of Dench is kinda late because she was shunned by the movie industry for 30 years.
Maggie Smith has done some great roles but critics complain that too much of her schtick was lifted from this ghastly self-hating queen—
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|by Anonymous||reply 7||12/01/2017|
Maggie by a hair, but I love them both.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||12/01/2017|
Critics can say Maggie was out of her depth in non-comic roles but Glenda Jackson was incapable of ANY comic roles.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||12/01/2017|
Maggie has a wonky eye.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||12/01/2017|
r9, that's crap! Glenda has an amazing sense of humour.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||12/01/2017|
R10 Miss Smith DBE has Graves Disease, some cancer, a broken heart and myopia. Miss Dench DBE has Macular Degeneration, Stage 2 Dementia and Virtue Signaller's Disease,
|by Anonymous||reply 12||12/01/2017|
I don't think you can say one is better than the other. They're both great Dames.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||12/01/2017|
r12, and Glenda Jackson has come back to acting. Perfect time for it, now her rivals are dropping off LOL And Glenda turned down a Damehood because she's anti-monarchy.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||12/01/2017|
R12 Unfortunately she's ANTI-everything... which is not a good sign for anyone who wants to be employed.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||12/01/2017|
Imagine what her Mrs. Lovett would have been like if she had accepted the role.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||12/01/2017|
Glenda, Judi and Maggie last year
|by Anonymous||reply 17||12/01/2017|
Mon dieu, Catherine du Valois-
Judi Dench birthed the Tudor Dynasty
|by Anonymous||reply 18||12/01/2017|
R17 I wonder if they hate each other 'behind the mask'?
Maggie Smith was quite bitchy about "Lord Kingsley or whatever he calls himself nowadays"
|by Anonymous||reply 19||12/01/2017|
Judi didn't even have a film career before Glenda retired from acting... watch this clip and laugh your ass off:
|by Anonymous||reply 20||12/01/2017|
Maggie and JUDI are great friends. I was surprised JUDI did not appear in either Harry potter or downton abbey. Both great but Maggie has the edge...see the prime of miss Jean Brodie. All wanna be actors should watch Maggie and Scalia's scenes. Possibly the best acting ever on film.
Meryl not so much, overrated...had a fawm in Africa
|by Anonymous||reply 21||12/01/2017|
Yes, Maggie and Celia!
|by Anonymous||reply 22||12/01/2017|
Definitely Maggie Smith. Smith doesn't have to play the same character twice to try and get it right.
Plus Judi Dench has hideous feet. I saw her in sandals once and I had to cancel lunch.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||12/01/2017|
Equal divinities in the firmament.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||12/01/2017|
....and for the poster upthread, Glenda Jackson won her second Oscar for a comedic role, you dolt.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||12/01/2017|
Much as I her enjoy her R23 Maggie does plays the same character more than twice. Tea with Mussolini, Gosford Park, Downton Abbey are very slight variations on the same brittle, snobbish old bag she has specialized in for the past couple of decades, even the Lady in the Van was Lady Violet on welfare. Judi is definitely more versatile, it's easy to imagine her playing any of Maggie's roles but not vice versa.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||12/01/2017|
Here's Smith giving an Oscar and Tony caliber performance in one of my faves of hers Bed Among the Lentils. 49 minutes of Just MAGGIE BEING BRILLIANT straight into the camera. (I love the Talking Heads series, especially Hand of God with Eileen Atkins). And everyone should see The Lonely Passion of Judith Hearn where Smith gives the performance of her career, which is saying a lot, but unfortunately it's hard to find.
I just saw Dench in Murder on Orient Express, and was disappointed by her performance. Wendy Hiller was delicious in the same role in 1974.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||12/01/2017|
Maggie! Mother Superior FTW!
|by Anonymous||reply 28||12/01/2017|
Vanessa Redgrave and Glenda Jackson wipe the floor with both of them.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||12/01/2017|
See "Victoria and Abdul" and it may sway your vote. Especially the early scenes showing Dame Judi as Victoria eating. She's outstanding. She's definitely getting a nomination.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||12/01/2017|
[quote]one of my faves of hers Bed Among the Lentils. 49 minutes of Just MAGGIE BEING BRILLIANT straight into the camera. (I love the Talking Heads series, especially Hand of God with Eileen Atkins).
Ah, a kindred spirit! I've watched "Bed Among the Lentils" at least 50 or 60 times, and still find it mesmerizing. And, like you, I'm also fond of "Hand of God." Also, the three monologues with Patricia Routledge are lifelong favorites. (There's a lot more to her than "the Bucket woman.")
But, back on topic, my vote is for Maggie Smith - largely because of her brilliance in "Bed Among the Lentils."
|by Anonymous||reply 31||12/01/2017|
You're complaining R26 about Maggie playing the same character.
You're probably right but that's because writers and authors love her playing Lady Bracknell.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||12/02/2017|
To play Lady Bracknell once R32 could be described as employment to play her several times looks like laziness... I saw her actual Lady Bracknell in London and surprisingly she wasn't very memorable ( Maggie that is not Edith...I'm not quite that old ).
|by Anonymous||reply 33||12/02/2017|
[quote]Judi didn't even have a film career before Glenda retired from acting
Check out this wonderful gem from 1965.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||12/02/2017|
Judi was quite beautiful when she was younger.
from He Who Rides A Tiger
|by Anonymous||reply 35||12/02/2017|
|by Anonymous||reply 36||12/02/2017|
^ She is wearing her Clapham version of 'Cleopatra' mascara in that scene.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||12/02/2017|
for some reason she wore these dreadful haircuts.
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|by Anonymous||reply 39||12/02/2017|
She has to wear very short hair because of her UN-photogenic little face.
The mid-60s was the peak years of Swinging London of Op-Art, Courrèges and Mary Quant.
Have you seen the outrageously camp 'Modesty Blaise'?
|by Anonymous||reply 40||12/02/2017|
^ André Courrèges wanted to reduce the human body down to pieces of geometry. And poor Judi Dench couldn't compete because her waist size was 24 inches and her legs were 24 inches.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||12/03/2017|
Smith has always been very mannered the quality of her performances varies based on how much she leans on what she finds easy. When it comes to playing a certain kind of witty, caustic upper class snob, she's pretty peerless, but I've always preferred her in roles that require her to strip away some of the stylistic artifice that she does so well (BED AMONG THE LENTILS, LONELY PASSION OF JUDITH HEARNE, LOVE AND PAIN AND THE WHOLE DAMN THING).
Dench is a no-nonsense actress who I think has more range than Smith.
Jackson is another who can be very mannered (her performances in HEDDA and THE MAGNIFICENT SARAH are barely a step away from a drag queen), but when she's on all cylinders or plays quieter roles, she is superb. She is a truly unsentimental actress, which is a great quality. I think she and Judy Davis are similar in that regard.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||12/03/2017|
R42 How do you gauge if a movie actress is "unsentimental"?
Movie actors and actresses are 'shadows'. We are watching a human being impersonating another human being, reading someone else's lines. Their image is cut and positioned by others.
I don't feel qualified to judge any actor or actress unless I have seen them "naked" on stage or in real life over a number of years.
I've only seen Dench on stage once.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||12/03/2017|
I absolutely love her in Stevie r42.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||12/03/2017|
I did a musical r3....ON BROADWAY!
|by Anonymous||reply 45||12/03/2017|
Dear "Dame Maggs" R45 I don't think that was a musical. More of a cabaret revue.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||12/03/2017|
"How do you gauge if a movie actress is "unsentimental"?"
Generally by how they approach a role where the actress could easily pull at the heartstrings. Jackson did a film called RETURN OF THE SOLDIER where he played a truly good person (which is really hard to do and make interesting), and she did it by stripping the character of any sentimentality and, as a result, was all the more moving for having done so.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||12/03/2017|
Dear R47 I cannot agree. A movie actress does what the director tells them to do.
Movie actresses are puppets in the hand of their movie director. A Trilby in the hands of a Svengali.
Glenda Jackson often played hard and unsentimental characters on screen but I hear she definitely wept and got shriekingly sentimental when in the British parliament.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||12/03/2017|
Who would Bette vote for?
|by Anonymous||reply 49||12/03/2017|
Did Maggie have a daughter that burnt her Hampstead house down? That would be a no!
|by Anonymous||reply 50||12/03/2017|
r49: The only thing Bette Davis and Joan Crawford had in common was their admiration for Glenda Jackson.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||12/03/2017|
R49 Bette Davis didn't act, she misbehaved!
She was hopeless without me to keep her misbehaviour in check.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||12/03/2017|
Glenda Jackson and her posse. Bow down bitches!
|by Anonymous||reply 53||12/03/2017|
[quote]Glenda Jackson and her posse. Bow down bitches!
With all of Glenda's money, you'd think she'd buy a better outfit than a plaid picnic blanket.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||12/03/2017|
R53 That trio, surely, are playing 'The Three Witches of Macbeth'!
|by Anonymous||reply 55||12/03/2017|
R54 I don't know how much money Glenda has. I know she has a sad inner life.
She was an employee of the British Labour Party for 20 years but her son (Dan Hodges) used to work for the party too but he's become progressively angry at the party's duplicity and ineptitude and has turned against them.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||12/03/2017|
r56, apparently Glenda lives in her son's basement.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||12/03/2017|
NOTES ON A SCANDAL 2
|by Anonymous||reply 58||12/03/2017|
Is Glenda as short as Pygmy-Dench?
|by Anonymous||reply 59||12/03/2017|
Toss up. I adore Maggie Smith. She has an uncanny ability to steal every scene. Her snobs always have a touch of humanity to them. However, I can't see her doing what Judi pulled off in Notes on a Scandal.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||12/03/2017|
You can't have a gay card till you have watched The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie. Superlative acting. Plus a butch dyke gym teacher!
|by Anonymous||reply 61||Last Wednesday at 3:19 PM|
Thanks to those above who brought up Bed Among the Lentils. Smith's performance is absolutely hypnotic, wrenching and yet she lands every laugh (even some that aren't in Bennett's text). I SO wish Talking Heads, surely Bennett's masterpiece, was available in the US on DVD; it is in the UK. Why can't we have nice things, too?
|by Anonymous||reply 62||Last Wednesday at 3:42 PM|
[quote]You can't have a gay card till you have watched The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie. Superlative acting. Plus a butch dyke gym teacher!
Oh, darling, I did the lez thing so much better in The Shipping News. You better get your copy before they are all removed from the shelves as Mr. Kevin Spacey has a starring role in it.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||Last Wednesday at 4:09 PM|
Cate presents Glenda:
|by Anonymous||reply 64||Last Wednesday at 4:10 PM|
[quote] I SO wish Talking Heads, surely Bennett's masterpiece, was available in the US on DVD; it is in the UK. Why can't we have nice things, too?
If there are other Region 2 PAL DVDs you're interested in (or, perhaps, even if that's the only one), it might be worth looking into a multi-region player. There were a few things I wanted, including "Talking Heads," that made the purchase worthwhile. I bought the Samsung E360. It's a very basic, no-frills unit, but adequate for the few "foreign" discs I've bought.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||Last Wednesday at 4:26 PM|
That fabulous scene in The Prime Of Miss Jean Brodie which pits Maggie Smith against Pamela Franklin was beyond brilliant. I think Franklin bested Maggie in that scene BUT Maggie did a great job overall. She did a wonderful job of playing a woefully misguided idealist whose morals or lack of them ended up in a school girl's death.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||Last Wednesday at 4:44 PM|
Judi Dench has more range.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||Last Wednesday at 4:45 PM|
Glenda in Elizabeth R is one of the greatest achievements in acting. Period.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||Last Wednesday at 4:49 PM|
Judi and Maggie will be joined by Eileen and Joan for a Dame smackdown in a BBC documentary..... Glenda is too busy winning awards for proper acting.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||Last Wednesday at 4:59 PM|
Pamela retired from acting at a young age, a shame as she is brilliant. Celia Johnston's Miss McKay channels the wicked witch of the west, and also is beyond brilliant. The scene with Miss Brodie, Miss McKay, and Mr. Lowther may be the best acting ever filmed. This is a film that you pick up something yoh missed on repeated viewings. Remember the toady Miss Gaunt? The swashbuckling art teacher? The Lesbianish dance between Sandy and Monica at Sandy's? And the incomparable Mary McGregor?
|by Anonymous||reply 70||Last Wednesday at 5:20 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 71||Last Wednesday at 5:30 PM|
Like comparing apples and oranges...
|by Anonymous||reply 72||Last Wednesday at 5:36 PM|
R72, more like lemons and limes.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||Last Wednesday at 5:38 PM|
Yes, R 73 and Maggie is the more tart of the two.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||Last Wednesday at 5:41 PM|
I was on the receiving end of Dame Maggie's withering glance circa 1973.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||Last Wednesday at 5:48 PM|
Details please, R75.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||Last Thursday at 1:33 PM|
R70 Pamela became typecast( to a certain degree) in horror films doing things like The Legend Of Hell House. She also did guest TV appearances as well. She did the best that she could but never reached the lofty acting heights she deserved at one point.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||Last Thursday at 4:58 PM|
I think Pamela and her family own a bookshop in West Hollywood.
I can remember my 12 year old jaw dropped when Pamela Franklin appeared casually nude in Jean Brodie. She said it was the last thing they filmed, so that she would be 18 when they filmed it (she was 17 when they started filming).
|by Anonymous||reply 78||Last Thursday at 7:55 PM|
Wasn't that such a hot scene with Pam being nude? She looked very attractive even afterwards when she only wore a sweater and was still sexy!
Pam's husband(Harvey Jason, a character actor who has done tons of film and TV) and their son, Louis Jason, own Mystery Pier Books in West Hollywood. A very boutique book shop, they sell mostly first editions.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||Last Friday at 10:57 AM|
That's interesting, R78.
I think actors can be nude in European films when they are under 18 if they get permission from the parents.
Leonard Whiting was only 17 and Olivia Hussey was only 15 when they appeared nude in Zeffirelli's 1968 "Romeo & Juliet".
|by Anonymous||reply 80||Last Friday at 10:58 AM|
I had the privilege of meeting Dame Maggie in N.Y.. I have never met a classier or more gracious person, she asked my name and what I did and where I lived, totally without ego. I have met many nice actresses...Joan Rivers, Joan Bennett, Julie Andrews, Rikki Lake, June Lockhart, Angela Lansbury, Delta Burke to name a few. Nobody was as nice as Dame Maggie was to me. And I met Linda Levin, who was utterly charming.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||Last Friday at 8:11 PM|
Saw them both in David Hare’s “The Breath of Life” in the West End. Not a great play but it was very entertaining to watch the two of them spar.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||Last Saturday at 3:25 AM|
Judi likes trees and champagne.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||Last Saturday at 3:28 AM|
Dear Theatre Queen R81. I envy you meeting Dame Maggie.
Was she promoting a play? How tall was she compared to you.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||Last Saturday at 2:48 PM|
R84, I am 6 foot three inches, 175 lbs., so she seemed petite, maybe slightly shorter than the average woman. She was in N.Y. doing "Lettice and Lovage" with Margaret Tyzack. She seemed totally down to earth. Also, I meant Linda Levin, who, contrary to what some say on here, was also very nice.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||Last Saturday at 4:22 PM|
You're lucky. I understand that's the last regular production she has been in.
Since then she has only done the monologue "Bed Among The lentils" on stage.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||Last Saturday at 4:25 PM|
I think it's very important to note that Maggie gave us Toby Stephens.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||Last Saturday at 4:26 PM|
Toby is lovely as was his father Robert before he drank too much. But Maggiecappeared in the West End in Three Tall Women and Lady in the Van. Lady also a movie, maybe 2015.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||Last Saturday at 4:31 PM|
Does Toby take after Maggie of Robert? I can't quite decide.
He has Maggie's reddishness but that Robert Stephens was such a queer fish as well as an alcoholic
|by Anonymous||reply 89||Last Saturday at 4:32 PM|