Work Culture for Women

Everyone should be covered with clothing from collarbone to ankles and wrists at all times.

To some extent I agree with this...

Not gonna happen. I've been reading lately the outrage over Matt Lauer's questioning of whether Anne Hathaway should not have flashed her vagina to paparazzi when exiting a limo. "He should have been fired then!! How dare he question Hathaway's right to public nudity!! It was the photographer's fault!!"

What a woman wears has nothing to do with men harrassing them. Men need to learn boundaries and to look for dated/encounters elsewhere.

R4 so men can wear tank tops to work?

Mao Uniforms. We should all be in Mao uniforms whenever at work.

We have a woman at work who wears what we call the hammock dress... it's crocheted. You can see through it. She wears flesh coloured under stuff beneath it.

And she's our VP HR.

R7 spunky slut

In my darling Mother's day, a proper lady never left the house without a hat, gloves, and stockings, and an appropriately made-up face and well-groomed hair.

So many young women run around today looking either like harlots or like someone's maid.

r9, I bet in your darling mother's day, men wore suits instead of baggy shorts and sports shirts

This society we have is amazing

Women also play the "Daddy" game up. They fawn over any man in power and distrust any woman with similar authority and accomplishments.

There is one woman I work with (I'm a lawyer) and she is the first to call sexism anytime its convenient for her. She had the nerve to call me (a gay male of color immigrant from a working class family) PRIVILEGED.

Meanwhile, her father is a university professor and she got her judicial clerkship (a big deal for attorneys) thanks to her roommate's father (he was the judge). She fawns over the accomplishments of the (white) men in her family and in our firm and dismisses the work of any female lawyer she encounters.

Being the feminist that she is, she never fails to comment on women's appearances when she first interacts with them.

Whenever we are in group settings, she is first to run to the gentlemen to kiss their ass and follow them around like a puppy.

She also cries a lot when a man challenges her, because of course, its because she's a woman.

R12 I have met women who are very similar in terms of personality. They will be the first to shriek "Misogyny! " over the slightest criticism so everyone is afraid to confront their behavior. They cry all day about how privileged straight white men are while behaving and dressing in ways that would get a straight white male fired. During the height of the me too moment, I couldn't help rolling my eyes at all the self pitying accounts of many female journalists, who would not have gotten where they are if straight men didn't find them attractive. Read the average "think piece " by a mainstream female journalist. Nine times out of ten, it is self absorbed valley girl rambling punctuated by curse words. Or alternatively, detailed histrionic accounts of their sex lives. The un PC truth is that the current crop of female journalists simply aren't very talented. These women are promoted mainly because they are either well connected or perceived as photogenic on both. And before the cries of "Misogyny! " start, I want to add that yes, attractive men do use their looks to get ahead. But it's mainly women who will play the victim afterwards.

Op=Muslim

[quote] Op=Muslim

Right because in the good Christian country that elected Donald Trump the pussy grabber President; only a Muslim would say such things.

Men are vulgar to women no matter what they wear.

Nothing will change until we let go of the silly "superior vs. inferior" status quo of affirming one's dominance over somebody else (including at work). It's one thing to have a boss and supervisor but it's a different thing of said boss and supervisor to abuse his power by mistreating his underlings in order to stroke his fragile ego.

Same goes for men using sex to advance.

What bugs me is that breeders get all sorts of privileges others don't, and we have to work harder because they take off to take care of their crotch fruit.

I say reward the child free employee with equal privilege !!More for not being irresponsible breeders!

And if you cry at work, you get fired on the spot.

[quote] (a gay male of color immigrant from a working class family)

And what color would that be? Everytime they say "of color", you know they're not black and not used to facing discrimination.

Op, is this allowed in the office ?

At our local high school, we had an interesting example of the different dynamics when it comes to men and women. The girls would wear knit short shorts, spaghetti strap tank tops/camisoles, and flip-flops to school- all clear violations of the dress code. Any discussion of the dress code created a whole firestorm of accusations of body shaming, male dominance, etc. A few of the girls were made to put on an oversized T-shirt to cover up and were sent home with a note to their parents, but this was the extent of the punishment.

A few of the guys decided to make a point by essentially wearing the same thing to school for one day, gym shorts, tank tops/T-shirts cut to spaghetti straps, and flip-flops. They were all suspended. No discussion. The fact that they were making about about a double standard was met with a double standard. A few of the parents of the boys were going to sue, but no attorney would take the case. They all said that there was no way for the boys to win in court.

“I couldn't help rolling my eyes at all the self pitying accounts of many female journalists, who would not have gotten where they are if straight men didn't find them attractive. Read the average "think piece " by a mainstream female journalist.”

I roll my eyes at men who only want to hire attractive women.

R24, studies have constantly shown that attractive people are hired over unattractive people and this is consistent between male and female employers. It isn't a male/female issue. It is a human issue.

“It isn't a male/female issue. It is a human issue.”

It is a male/female isssue. Most decision makers apin corporate America are still men.

If a woman is doing that in your office, OP, and it is genuinely causing you distress, then file a complaint with your company's H.R. Department and allege that the subject female's provocative apparel choices are creating a hostile work environment. Provoke an investigation.

If no one else in your work place feels as you do about the matter, it might not rise to an actual instance of hostile environment sexual harassment. If many other people in your work place are made uncomfortable by the woman's manner of dress, then a claim of hostile environment sexual harassment may ground. If so, your H.R. Department should 1) address the matter with the subject female and put an end to her inappropriate behavior, and 2) thank you for bringing the problematic work place behavior to the attention of management.

[quote] It isn't a male/female issue. It is a human issue.

I love how when men are the ones with the problem, they have to drag women into it and call it a "human issue". Men are the ones who routinely hire someone based on whether they would sleep with them, not women.

"Men" is much too broad to support that broadside of a claim, R28.

Can you be more specific, R28? If not, your entire statement is a vague generality and utterly sexist.

Well someone's jealous that women get to wear provocative clothing to work!

R28, Yet, there are at least two threads on DL about women abusing power. In the sexual case the woman was found guilty in court. There are, of course, other example not on DL. Your argument is exactly the same as saying that spousal abuse in a man issue and women cannot abuse their husbands.

[quote] Yet, there are at least two threads on DL about women abusing power.

What two vs one-hundred? It's not even a contest.

R21 Are you for real? Only blacks face are used to facing discrimination? GTFO.

Great ,another misogynistic thread on DL.

Men are so weak.

Women are strong, but please let them pass through doors first and by all means take their overpacked, should have been checked in, carry on luggage out of the overhead bins for them.

Oh and please schedule some flexibility into their careers for them so they can tend to their real priorities first.

Women are so whiny.

r19 you are so right! I like to say that non-gay people are demographically irresponsible. Plus, children take up lots of oxygen and cause the subways to run slower.

I think teaching straight boys not to grow up into shithead straight men would clear up many of these issues.

Case in point: my current Boss (soon-to-be ex, I hope) is a manipulative grifty obsessive woman who steals my wages and harasses me verbally off the clock plus routinely lies to me. Putting pieces together I have ample reason to believe that she is a spousal abuse victim, having recently met her husband and watched their interactions. My Boss seems to be passing on her abuse and it is ruining her life and the lives of her employees.

Loose boundaries of any kind get to me when it comes to the workplace, even non-sexual ones. For example: I'm female, and I loathe female higher-ups/HR touching me affectionately without asking...or at all, really.

I'm only slightly spergy and I get that it's polite protocol to shake hands or what have you, but why the fuck does there need to be a hug? Or any other touch? My manager strokes my upper arm when giving occasional scraps of insincere praise or encouragement, then hugs me at the end of shift if I make enough money. It's so revolting and all I can do is stand there frozen with a stiff forced smile until it's over. How do you tell senior colleagues to knock off the touchy-feely-gropey instincts, for the sake of the averse among us?

A fast trip through women's work clothes history.

Off we go to work. Mess with us and we'll cut you. Every smart working woman should carry a switchblade in her handbag.

Women should dress in a professional manner if they have careers in professional fields. That means suits or smart, tailored clothing (but also comfortable) like my idol Jill Wine-Banks. Otherwise they just give off the image of being slobs and I've worked with plenty like that. One blowsy overweight frau in accounting would display half her large sagging breasts with her sloppy low cut blouses. I'm sure she was safe from sexual advances but she offended the eyes of her co-workers.

Women should also take a hint from Jill and wear brooches with secret messages.

You’re horrible, OP

[quote] [R4] so men can wear tank tops to work?

Not equivalent.

Well hung men should be able to wear something that showcases their cock at work.