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Bombshell - Hedy Lamarr documentary

Who's seen it? The reviews have been spectacular.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 92Last Wednesday at 2:44 PM

It’s Hedley!

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 111/24/2017

More details, please. I'd love to see it. I hope it doesn't get too bogged down in specs for sonar. Darwin Porter said she slept with Hitler and JFK.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 211/24/2017

Fuck Susan Sarandon.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 311/24/2017

It’s in very limited release currently but may, if the numbers work go into broader release. Someone is going to write a great screen play about her sometime but who is beautiful enough to play her?

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 411/25/2017

I find her fascinating and can't wait to see this documentary. It's really unbelievable that her contribution to the invention of wifi didn't become public knowledge until after her death. And I do wonder if she was really the inventor or if composer George Antheil, who shared the patent with her, really did all of the smart work.

It also seems unbelievable that Hedy's intelligence never seemed to be talked about in her interviews or in interviews with any of her chatty Hollywood colleagues. I wonder if Judy or Lana realized how smart she was? Hedy doesn't come off as terribly bright in the few TV interviews she did or on her What's My Line? appearances.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 511/25/2017

R4, Catherine Zeta-Jones. Now and forever.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 611/25/2017

Well, R5, she wasn’t in the legitimate theater.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 711/25/2017

r4 delusional

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 811/25/2017

Bitch stole that idea like she did eye-drops at Eckerd's.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 911/25/2017

for r1

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 1011/25/2017

R5 It was known. Probably more among geeks than the mainstream. Cell phones didn't become popular until the 90s but the technology was in use for other things.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 1111/25/2017

R2 I believe the JFK story but she didn’t sleep with Hitler that was just a hack writer’s story to sell books. I’m not sure that Hitler even met her, beyond that he liked blondes. If the author would have said she slept with Mussolini that might have made more sense as he definitely had a thing for her.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 1211/26/2017

Well, r11, when I question whether the public was aware of Hedy's contribution I mean it surprises me that there were never any articles written about Hedy's supposed genius either during her the height of her career or after.....just as a publicity angle, if for no other reason. In her few TV interviews in the 60s/70s it never came up. I don't think it was even mentioned in reports when she was arrested for shoplifting.

Just seems odd. Like it was kept a secret from her Hollywood colleagues.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 1311/26/2017

r6 Thank you for recommending me, but I believe I could only do justice to the parts of the story that deal with her life up to age 30..

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 1411/26/2017

R11 Dorothy Kilgallen described Hedy Lamarr’s as being really two people, the beautiful seductress but also the humorless, prosaic personality that resonated beneath. Hedy was a mystery to anyone who knew her including her children.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 1511/26/2017

r15

If anyone would know about being two faced and presented a phoney side to the world, you'd be it

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 1611/26/2017

[quote]If anyone would know about being two faced and presented a phoney side to the world, you'd be it

And neither of those faces has a chin!

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 1711/26/2017

I went out a few times with a guy who was her majordomo(?) while living in Atlanta. He was on vacation,and we met at a bar called Blakes,wich was right across the street from my apartment. When he first started telling me about Hedy,I confess I didnt really believe him,until he pulled out a gold cigarette case set with rubies and diamonds engraved to her from Orson Welles ! He said she had tons of money but was cheap as shit,that she saved everything,almost to the point of hoarding,that she had jewelry worth a few million easily but always wore cheap costume crap,and that her house,while nice,was rather modest for her money. He also said she rarely talked about her golden years,she supposedly said the past is just that,the past. In fact,he was the first one who had mentioned how smart she was,wich I hadnt heard before. I wish I could remember his name,he was a very nice guy but somewhat older than me. We spent a few lovely times together then I never saw him again.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 1811/26/2017

What brought Hedy to Atlanta, r18? One of her marriages? That must have been over 35 years ago.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 1911/26/2017

No R19,her majordomo was in Atlanta on vacation. Sorry,Hemmingway Im not.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 2011/26/2017

Hedy Lamar invented Wifi (sort of).

[quote] As described in unprecedented detail by the American journalist and historian Richard Rhodes in his new book, Hedy's Folly, Lamarr and her business partner, the composer George Antheil, were awarded a patent in 1942 for a "secret communication system". It was meant for radio-guided torpedoes, and the pair gave to the US Navy. It languished in their files for decades before eventually becoming a constituent part of GPS, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth technology.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 2111/26/2017

If Hedy was awarded the patent in 1942, then she must have been working on it when she made Ziegfeld Girl in 1941.

Judy Garland told so many wonderful and perceptive anecdotes about her costars at MGM. Did she ever talk about Hedy? I know she famously said that Lana Turner was like "a beautiful vase."

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 2211/26/2017

Wasn't Hedy the golden age star who said it's easy to be beautiful -- you just stand there and look stupid?

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 2311/26/2017

[quote]Wasn't Hedy the golden age star who said it's easy to be beautiful -- you just stand there and look stupid?

Well, if it wasn't it should have been.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 2411/26/2017

She clearly appears to be visualizing wifi in r24's photo!

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 2511/26/2017

[quote]Wasn't Hedy the golden age star who said it's easy to be beautiful -- you just stand there and look stupid?

Well, if she said that she must not be THAT much of a genius.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 2611/26/2017

I think it actually was; “Any girl can look glamorous, all she has to do is stand still and look stupid”.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 2711/26/2017

[quote]I think it actually was; “Any girl can look glamorous, all she has to do is stand still and look stupid”.

Well, the bovine Miss Dunham STILL sure as hell proves THAT not to be true.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 2811/26/2017

[quote]Cell phones didn't become popular until the 90s but the technology was in use for other things.

Frequency hopping, and the related spread spectrum technique, has always had major applications for covert and secure military communication. IIRC Hedy's invention was first used to control torpedoes without risk of enemy interference.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 2911/26/2017

How odd it is to see all of the adulation for Hedy. I remember that she was quite the scandal back when I was a kid: the shoplifting, the book Ecstasy and Me, her marriages, etc. It looks like she is going to end up being one of the most remembered people of the Golden Age of Hollywood.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 3011/27/2017

Still gorgeous at age 55.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 3111/30/2017

This thread is gayer than Liberace's asshole.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 3211/30/2017

And about to get gayer....

[quote]Judy Garland told so many wonderful and perceptive anecdotes about her costars at MGM. Did she ever talk about Hedy? I know she famously said that Lana Turner was like "a beautiful vase."

No, Artie Shaw said that about Lana, not Judy. Judy was jealous of Lana's beauty, but really liked her a lot. I think Judy found her transparent and trustworthy, while not much of a threat in the talent department.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 3311/30/2017

Re the R31 clip, was she tanned or was that her natural skin color?

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 3412/01/2017

[QUOTE]Darwin Porter said she slept with Hitler and JFK.

Darwin Porter also claimed that Paul Newman tried to get his own son to fuck him and that was one biggie that led to Scott Newman's suicide.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 3512/01/2017

R19

I thought that LaMarr had lived in Winter Park, Florida for decades before her death.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 3612/01/2017

R2, R35, Darwin Porter writes historical novels-- fiction set in Hollywood's past, disguised as biography. Don't believe anything he claims as fact.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 3712/01/2017

R34, she was very fair and had what would be classified as porcelain skin.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 3812/01/2017

I don't think she looks very good at all in the link at r31 in 1969. I guess she's in her late 50s there.

I would go as far as to say she's the first Hollywood star of the Golden Age who truly had some damaging plastic surgery, almost as bad as what we see today. She had very delicate features that really couldn't withstand the surgery.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 3912/01/2017

June Allyson talked about Hedy in one of those MGM documentaries - was it When The Lion Roars? June said she wasn't a star like her and the rule was you didn't speak to her unless she spoke to you first.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 4012/03/2017

R40 Hedy was actually very nice when she first arrived in Hollywood. I think she became extremely frustrated with herself and her career as time went along. June also said that she would find herself just staring at Hedy’s profile as it was so perfect. She like many people from that era thought Hedy was the most beautiful woman that they had ever seen. She was In the movie “The Bellboy and the Princess” with Hedy, which was Hedy’s last movie for MGM. Around this time in her career Hedy was referred to as “Headache Lamarr”.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 4112/03/2017

Wow, I'd love to see the doc, but I guess I'll have to torrent it. I'm not giving Susan Sarandon a dime.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 4212/03/2017

Speaking of Sarandon, Hedy's life would be perfect subject matter for Ryan Murphy to fuck up in a TV movie.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 4312/03/2017

Her bad plastic surgery started in 1974.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 4412/03/2017

Actually, the plastic surgery started in the mid-1950s. Check out her appearance on What's My Line?

By 1974 it was at its worst. That is, until the final surgery at the end of the 1970s which was so bad, she bever made another public appearance.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 4512/03/2017

Among other things, Hedy was famous for her center part hairdo which was not popular in the 1930s until she appeared. Joan Bennett, who'd been a boring blonde ingenue in the 1930s, dyed her hair brunette and center-parted it in the 1940s and it revitalized her career as a noir femme fatale.

Our dear Joan Crawford attempted the same feat in Ice Follies of 1939 but was less successful.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 4612/03/2017

Rita Hayworth had a middle part hairdo transitioning from her Latina long hair to her side-part of the early 1940s.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 4712/04/2017

Plenty of actresses like Hayworth and Myrna Loy had center part hair styles before Hedy arrived. It was popularized by Gloria Swanson in the late 1920s, and Hedy's look was really just a variant where she didn't pin her hair back like Swanson and Del Rio and others had.

Even then she wasn't a trailblazer, because Vivian Leigh had been wearing her hair parted in the middle and loose since 1936.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 4812/04/2017

R35, Darwin Porter said that Marlon Brando fucked his pet racoon, Lana Turner had a threeway with Frank Sinatra and Louise Beavers, Shirley Temple was actually a,male midget , and Maria Montez was born Melvin Fuddrucker in Boise.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 4912/04/2017

A Tribute to the Center Part.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 5012/04/2017

Joan Crawford once said she turned down a role because "it was about a girl who stands around and does nothing. I told them to give it to Hedy Lamarr - she'd be great in it!"

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 5112/04/2017

Hedy and George Montgomery dated for quite a while, then he began dating and married Dinah Shore.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 5212/04/2017

R49, He also wrote that Merv Griffin and Frank Sinatra fucked.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 5312/04/2017

[quote] Plenty of actresses like Hayworth and Myrna Loy had center part hair styles before Hedy arrived.

Well. for that matter...

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 5412/04/2017

Well, my goodness! I never said Hedy INVENTED the center part. Only that she popularized it at the end of the 1930s after it had fell out of favor for Hollywood glamour girls earlier in that decade. For whatever reasons it was considered such a distinctive look, Cole Porter even wrote a song about the phenomena in "Let's Not Talk About Love":.

Let's speak of Lamarr, That Hedy so fair; Why does she let Joan Bennett Wear her old hair?

And for that matter, Jane Darwell sported a center part throughout the 1930s but no one was copying her.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 5512/04/2017

In the photo collage at R50, Hedy, Ava and Gene are the ones that REALLY stand out.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 5612/04/2017

I invented the center part in 1910. It was a code--meant that a girl would spread. If you let a few wisps of hair loose, in the part area, that meant you had a big bush. Gals went nuts over that.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 5712/04/2017

R49, he also wrote that most of the munchkins in Wizard were the out-of-wedlock kids of Wally Beery; Walter Brennan gave great gum jobs, and passed along his tips to Nancy (Davis) Reagan, who in turn tutored Ron, Jr. ("The secret is in the tongue!"); and John Wayne was a pass-around bottom.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 5812/04/2017

[quote]I never said Hedy INVENTED the center part.

The docu does, though. It even showed old pictures from before Hedy arrived in Hollywood as examples of Hedy's "influence"! Unless she also invented a time machine, that was just a plain lie.

That picture R50 linked to was more interesting than "Bombshell." Hell, this whole thread is more interesting. We should make our own documentaries.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 5912/04/2017

If the doc is wrong about THAT, I'd say it's pretty much discredited. It was really Lana who invented frequency hopping, while she was doing the Lindy Hop.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 6012/04/2017

Funny, R60.

The thing is, it was really convincing as far as her frequency hopping invention, so why did it then lie about something so stupid as her hair?

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 6112/04/2017

Maybe it meant that nobody could wear a center part like Hedy. Based on R50, I think that might be true.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 6212/04/2017

[quote]To Joan: it's really not becoming to you, dear.

Joan, it would be of tremendous benefit for you to advance to 5:50 of this tutorial.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 6312/04/2017

I read in a memoir that Ms Lamar was a kleptomaniac. This was the reason she became isolated, she left the party with the hosts personal items.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 6412/04/2017

So what's a few tchochkes here and there?

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 6512/04/2017

R59 Hedy did have an influence on fashion and hairstyles.. A lot of actresses tried dyeing their hair coal black like Hedy’s after Algiers but there was a famous hairstylist at MGM who actually came up with the look, Sydney Guliaroff. She like Jennifer Aniston and Farrah Fawcett were the ones who got the credit for their hairstylists creation.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 6612/04/2017

[quote]I read in a memoir that Ms Lamar was a kleptomaniac.

Maybe she was just a garden variety narcissist.

I read somewhere, when asked why she shoplifted, she said something along the lines of:

" I did so much to help during the war and now everyone has forgotten about me so they owe me ".

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 6712/04/2017

Painting Hedy as a role model for young women has it’s drawbacks when you look at her entire life. She sure has her virtues but she has a lot of big negatives too. Hedy was a tremendously fascinating complicated person. Hedy might be better shown to young people as a cautionary tale of no matter how gifted you are by god’s gifts they may not in themselves make for a happy life.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 6812/04/2017

R67, makes sense to me.

There is a 30s movie called "Trade Winds," with Joan Bennett, who was then very blonde. Not long into the film, her character needs to disguise herself, so gets her hair dyed black. As she is revealed to herself and us, in the salon mirror, voila'-- Hedy's second cousin, complete with center part. Joan stayed that way and, appropriately, did some great noirs.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 6912/04/2017

Joan Bennett was pretty much the only actress who specifically emulated Hedy, wasn't she? Well, I'd bet there were some B-movie actresses who did too, but otherwise I don't think Hedy really started a trend in Hollywood. Amongst everyday women, sure, but not other actresses. The studios wouldn't have let their A-listers look like copycats.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 7012/04/2017

R70, Mervyn LeRoy discovery Inez Cooper was brought to MGM and groomed to look like Hedy Lamarr to keep their mercurial star in check. Whenever Hedy refused a part, MGM would leak word to Hedda Hopper that Inez was being considered for the role. That got Hedy to reconsider very quickly and Inez was never given leading lady parts at MGM. Her greatest successes were at Poverty Row pictures like Flight to Nowhere, 'Neath Canadian Skies, North of the Border, and Lady Chaser.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 7112/04/2017

Joan Crawford definitely copied Hedy's center part in that Ice Follies film made in 1939, the same year that Hedy became a sensation in Algiers. But I think the point about the hairdo was not about who wore it first but that it was considered an integral part of her very symmetrical beauty (Hedy's, not Joan's!).

And Paramount obviously modeled Dorothy Lamour on MGM's Hedy, as even her name (and center part) attested.

I saw the film tonight and thought it was wonderful. Far more depth than the usual star doc and very artfully made with great period footage adding to the real home movies of Hedy's childhood and early years in Vienna. What an incredibly complex woman, flaws and all, who was truly nothing like her screen image. You should all go see it!

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 7212/04/2017

Joan and Hedy were good palsies.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 7312/04/2017

R73, The blonde on the left Joan Bennett, btw.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 7412/04/2017

*is*

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 7512/04/2017

R73, I think the blonde on the left is in fact Joan Bennett!

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 7612/04/2017

Robert Lantz was Hedy’s agent and had known her since she was 16. I think his thoughts about her in the linked documentary starting at the 41 minute mark are probably very on point as to how she was and what obsticules she faced in Hollywood.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 77Last Tuesday at 8:01 AM

Is there a version of that in English, r77?

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 78Last Tuesday at 8:38 AM

R79 I wish but at least half of it is in English.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 79Last Tuesday at 8:41 AM

Does it eventually revert to English? I just watched the first 5 minutes and then sadly gave up.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 80Last Tuesday at 8:54 AM

R80 it’s interment, which is why I said to jump ahead to minute 41 but large parts of it are in English.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 81Last Tuesday at 8:57 AM

I haven't seen Ice Follies of 1939 yet but glancing at the Joan Crawford fanpage it looks like her hair is parted on the side and still red. This is supposedly a Technicolor shot.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 82Last Tuesday at 8:59 AM

Hmm, okay here it's darker and parted down the middle. Crazy. Wonder if they realized it didn't look great on Joan and changed it up in later scenes?

I've got to see this movie if for no other reason than Lew Ayers in tights.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 83Last Tuesday at 9:01 AM

As most here know, Ice Follies is the one that we see Joan lacing up for in her dressing room at the start of MD. Followed be a close up of her smiling grimly and saying, "Let's do it! "

Lew Ayres was married to Ginger Rogers in the 30s. Imagine their bedroom calisthenics. Ginger also took Stewart's cherry.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 84Last Tuesday at 9:45 AM

1939: With newly arrived Hedy, Lana and Greer on the MGM lot, it's no wonder Joan, Garbo and Norma got out of there within the next couple of years. The lipstick was on the dressing room mirror.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 85Last Tuesday at 11:42 AM

R72 actually Lamour preceded Hedy at Parmount by a few years, so if anything MGM borrowed from Dorothy with the look and name.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 86Last Tuesday at 12:24 PM

Mayer had had a crush on the tragic, late Barbara LaMarr. That's how Hedy got that name.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 87Last Tuesday at 1:20 PM

The documentary said it was because of Mayer's wife whose favorite actress was Barbara LaMarr.

THIS DOCUMENTARY IS A HOUSE OF LIES

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 88Last Tuesday at 1:23 PM

[quote]Lew Ayres was married to Ginger Rogers in the 30s. Imagine their bedroom calisthenics. Ginger also took Stewart's cherry.

I'm not joking: this thread is a better documentary than BOMBSHELL was.

Lew Ayers was so fucking hot.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 89Last Tuesday at 1:24 PM

r88, what are the lies? I quite enjoyed this film.

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 90Last Tuesday at 4:09 PM

R80 it looks like the German documentary becomes mostly English after 17:25

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 91Last Wednesday at 12:28 PM

[quote]we see Joan lacing up for in her dressing room at the start of MD. Followed be a close up of her smiling grimly and saying, "Let's do it! "

The line is "let's go".

If you CAN'T do something right, don't do it at all!

by Susan Sarandon, Executive Producerreply 92Last Wednesday at 2:44 PM
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