Are you exhausted by drag queens?

Drag queens ruin everything.

Love drag queens.

I love the Ru girls

Alyssa Edwards is the Folk's Queen. I love her and ber back story.

can't understand how people could watch stuff like Drag Race. It's so annoying watching mentally ill men playing with dolls (themselves)

They scare me like I am scared of clowns. I run.

It takes all kinds.

I've been verbally attacked on more than one occasion by vicious drag queens, just because I'm a few pounds overweight. I wanna just slap them and say "How dare you judge me! I wouldn't get on your case for your choices..."

I like Drag Race and watch it when it's on, but I've never been one of those people who OBSESSES over drag queens and follows them on Twitter, etc. and goes to their shows and conventions. The Drag Race subreddit is pretty terrifying, with people doing fanart of their favorite queens and such.

[quote]Are you exhausted by drag queens?

for a long time.

Quite a long time ago now when I was in New York I was taken to some bar where they were clomping about on the stage doing the same old schtick - miming to old pop songs or whatever and I thought - I'm SO bored of this.

I'm tired of the "insult comics" of drag.

I don't follow them, but there was one Drag Race winner who thought she was the Don Rickles of drag.

Who wants to sit for 15 minutes being peppered with bitchy "jokes" by some queen?

Can we swap out drag shows with simulated sex shows between hot guys wearing as little as their state/city laws allow? Give us a reason to go out!

We will stick with them.

Drag Queens go over the top and want to be the center of attention. They become very boring after awhile.

I'm the dream you've been waiting for.

RuPaul hijacked the term drag queens into a boring heteronormative commercial image. :(

You won't get a broad opinion here - DL hates drag queens.

Drag Queen shows are [italic]de rigueur[/italic] in today's NYC gay club scene, even out in the boroughs (Astoria and Jackson Heights, Queens come to mind). I'm surprised they're that popular. I remember when drag shows were largely a Southern gay bar tradition. Personally, I think it's become too much of a good thing.

Would rather look at football butts than frag shows

I love them. I went to Bushwig this year for the first time, and it was two days of liberation & magic.

Not a fan of them as a rule, but I adore Miss Coco Peru.

The whole drag queen thing has now crossed over to the teenage/twentysomething girl demographic, who seem to be attracted to hyper feminine/non sexually threatening things these days.

I’ve had sufficient.

Drag queens are a snooze to me but lots of people like them, so they should enjoy. It's not that hard to avoid drag.

I have bigger fish to fry. Like a lot of entertainers today, and like a lot of people who just want to be the center of attention, there are talented or interesting ones, and there are talentless and annoying ones.

[quote]there are talented or interesting ones, and there are talentless and annoying ones.

This about sums it up.

ST8 TWEEN GIRLS ARE THEIR DEMOGRAPHIC NOW.

I find them tiresome. Sick of them. Nasty, bitchy, shady. I've yet to meet a nice one. I know, I know, they have taken it on the gay community's collective chin because they are so out there, and have suffered abuse by the world at large because they are so obviously gay. But their trauma makes them difficult to socialize with. And they all seem to wear the same makeup, the same garish hyper-feminine schmattas. And sometimes, they are just MEAN - to each other and to the audiences at whatever events they are in.

Shade!

I get uncomfortable with most drag queens because 1.) they're almost always super bitchy, and tearing each other down, and 2.) they seem so low class / low rent, like they work off hours as crack hos. That's just the vibe so many of them give off. Can't we have a classier breed of drag queens, with college educations at least? They just seem SKEEVY. Maybe the more tasteful ones just leap right into transitioning, and skip the sideshow atmasphere (?)

What in the world is a sensible person like r24 doing on this thread?

OP have you considered becoming a drag queen's nemesis? You could show up at shows, send her dead animals by post, write horrible poetry about her ass, etc. etc.

I vastly prefer DQ’s to T’s. They are more like clowns than mock women, but as long as they’re not encroaching on or co-opting other’s rights or denying biological reality, I don’t have complaints.

Sensible, R30 ?

No, R24 is just the queen who needs to visit every non-political thread to inform us that we have "bigger fish to fry" than our topic of discussion (from sitcoms, to superhero movies, to Instagram models, to drag queens, etc.)

Kindly scroll past topics you find frivolous, and piss off.

I think it’s hilarious they actually have pageants and take it soooo seriously.

Fortunately, it's enabled dozens of gay guys to get paid to do what they love.

Unfortunately, it's deluded thousands to gay guys all over the world to think they can get enough "coins" to survive doing drag or working in the drag-related entertainment industry.

Palm Springs is the center of drag now. So tiresome. Exhausting indeed.

I've been coming here for years because i like the tone of the comments and twacked out sense of humor here. But coming from drag? I fisted someone while singing the seminal Britney Spears opus Not A Girl Not Yet a Woman on stage in San Francisco. Saying all drag sucks is like saying all twinks bottom. It's just not true. WILLAM p.s. the password for that video is notagirl

In my country drag has become very popular in recent years to the point it is highly consumed by heterosexual public.

I used to like some shows from very popular drag queens whose performance was less ghetto or gay scene-ish. For example, the most famous drag queen in my country has a game show which used to be very entertaining up until 2015 and then it became boring to me. They made me laugh a lot. I guess there was also the novelthy element involved... Today, I'm less interested in their shows.

Something that troubles me about drag is that it reinforces heterosexuality since these men dress and act like hypersexual women always hitting on men and expressing their desie for men in a womanly as if they were biological women. They also force heterosexualised interactions on gay men who must assume the role on the heterosexual men for them on stage whioch ends up erasing the fact those men are homosexual; not heterosexual. It's clear to me that many drag queens actually fetishise the female role as they see it in heterosexuality. Drag is a double-edged sword.

Once good aspect about them though is that many help in charity for people who can't afford medical treatments that are expensive.

R29 isn't the last Drag Race winner a Vassar boy/girl?

Who is the fist bottom in that video? Total pig but kinda sexy.

No, OP, I find them delightful.

You, on the other hand......

I'm exhausted by drag queens fisting people while singing a Britney Spears song.

How de rigueur

R37 AAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Is this really Willam? I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I LOVE YOU!

I fell in love with you on YouTube before i heard you were on Drag Race, if that wins me any points.

I absolutely adore you and wish you all the more success in your life. Keep doing what you're doing.

Too over the top and way too much drama. Best taken in small doses.

Wigstock on the Pier in NYC circa 1995 was the last time drag and gay liberation converged.

Hes a porn star

Wigstock in Tompkins square Park in NYC circa 1990 was the last time great drag and gay liberation converged.

It is still puzzling that drag queens are so popular among gay men when they are not attracted to femininity even less men dressing like women.

Me too, r20. Coco Peru and Varla Jean Merman have talent and wit.

Drag is womens blackface

Drag queens are boring and dull.

WHET the Dueling Bankheads?

I thought I was sick of drag queens, but I think I'm just sick of RuPaul

Okay that Willam fisting scene was pretty random and funny (and the bear getting fisted is sexy).

Most gay men love CAMP, R48.

Drag is the epitome of CAMP and when it's done well - it's amazing.

I thought a John Waters movie was the epitome of CAMP.

What I find weird is drag beauty pageants because it is very narcissistic and it seems like the character absorbs the real person or the fetishization of womanhood is just too big.

I know some will jump on and tell me drag is only a performance. From observing lots of drag queens I feel so many of the fetishise the female role.

"Are you exhausted by drag queens?"

More like Tuckered Out.

They’re all usually Southern Trash and mentally unstable.

I don't mind the camp queens (Bianca del Rio, for one), I am just irritated by the "I am a beautiful woman" type (the ones who have boob jobs and take hormones...trans really) that seem to have taken over the stages in my city. You're a badly made up transexual, baby, not a drag queen!

Bianca del Rio is HILARIOUS. Love her.

Another wrong descripton about drag queens is that they mock the oppressive expectations of femininity women have to deal with in society. That's pure bullshit. Drag queens couldn't care less about women's struggles. They love the hypersexualised image of a woman on themselves.

[R48] What do you mean gays aren't "attracted to femininity"...when they rule the makeup, hair and fashion industries? Gays have a great appreciation for beauty.

[R53] I cannot stand RuPaul's screetching laugh/titter. It's a trademark NO ONE should have approved.

Bianca Del Rio don't seem funny to me. She just seems kind of loud and obnoxious to me. Then most comics don't seem funny to me except for Triumph the Insult Comic Dog and Mitch Hedberg.

It would be interesting if there were research on why some gay men have this sort of impulse to dress like women and behave overly feminine and sexual when they're on drag.

A lot of things exhaust me OP, drags queens included, but I probably exhaust some people also. I can pretty much avoid most things that exhaust me, live and let live. I just figure it takes all types to make the world go round.

You aren't going to change the world, you can only change yourself.

Drag queens are fun for about 10 minutes

Reminder to those not “exhausted” by drag Queens:

The Trixie and Katya Show premieres tonight on Viceland. The first episode is online.

They are boring when they're out of drag

“Entertainers aren’t entertaining when they’re not entertaining.”

Wow, who knew??

There are talented ones but they are few and far between. Most just want to look pretty but they have little talent. I think Dina Martina is sublime.

Autogynephilia?

Bored witless by 99.9% of them who are just the fat bullyed boys of ones schooldays. They weren't dunny then, and they weren't funny now.

That said: I have seen a leper's handful that were utterly sheer brilliant.

Count me as a fan of Varla Jean Merman and Dina Martina.

Varla is a genuinely talented singer with a uniquely twisted sense of humor.

Dina is more a strange performance artist than a drag queen. Hilarious and very, very strange.

They tire me out, the ditzy straight girls who love them because they're so *transgressive and fierce* tire me out. I also think people are morons to delude themselves that they're anything different than blackface (no it ain't a 'homage' to women bitch). I do feel sorry for some of them, some seem like nice, but troubled people just trying to find a niche to fit in. But compared to the straight males dressing like 12 year old girls and harassing women for sex? Make them look like angels.

R58 made me giggle.

Dina Martina is like Liza with autism.

Hey that drag queen in r37 is legit pretty.

I doubt many drag queens think about women’s rights. Why should they? Do many straight women worry about gay men’s rights unless they’re forced to? Drag queens are just performers trying to make a buck. If you don’t find them entertaining, don’t go to their shows.

I find the straight girls who fill the clubs tiresome and wish they’d stay out of gay bars, but it’s actually a good thing they spend some money supporting the performers.

If you expect drag queens to fight for women’s rights (I think that battle has already been won long ago in the western world), you probably have a long wait.

I think the there is always a sexual or lustful component that drives them to do drag or the fascination they have with dressing and behaving like an oversexual woman. They idealize and fetishize the female role especially from the sexual angle as they see it, for example, in moves, it turns them on to be take that role.

A famous drag queen in m country when asked about the difference between a drag queen and a transvestite he always says the only difference is that drag queens perform on a stage.

Yes, of course, but trannies more. Enough. Seriously. Let’s take a six month time out with you women.

It's telling that the guy defensive on behalf of drag queens, R80 and R82, sounds so angry/loathing towards women.

R83,

I am not angry or loathsome against women, just practical. I don’t think that drag queens care about women’s causes any more than the average gay guy. Why should they? They aren’t women, they are entertainers.

Are you a gay man?

I mean....I haven't thought about this topic for even a millisecond BUT I do enjoy "The Trixie and Katya" show on VICE. It's pretty funny.

Only from a entertainment perspective do I respect drag queens. I loathe seeing anyone ( unless they are a transitioning M2M officially) dressed 24/7 in some gender fuck outfit .

Are there any drag queens with femininity?

Willam is awesome.

I guess I'm the only one who thinks there an erotic component in drag. Not that dressing and acting like an idealized hypersexual woman gives them the orgasms, but the erotic factor is in what that idealized image represents in the minds of these men: access to manly men or at least feeling in the position of a woman sexually and getting some kind of reward from men either imaginatively or realistically.

Hard to put it into wods though... but just look at how much drag absorbs the real person.

I could almost agree with that, R89, as a mental erotic aspect.

An ex-boyfriend and I dressed in gender-fuck drag (space-themed, not old school drag) for Halloween one year. Afterward, a bit high and drunk, we tried having sex in the drag. The fishnets were interesting on our legs, but pretty soon, we felt better just stripping it all off.

r90 that's disgusting and revolting.

Me reading this thread...

It would be interesting to know why womanhood is such a fetish but fascination with manhood is really rare. Why the impulse to act like a theatrical version of a woman.

^ Bisphenol-A.

So over these Trannies.

I loved "Tangerine", to my surprise, but watched another low budget one on Netflix about mean drag queens at some music club and hated every second of it. Does every single drag queen have to be a fucking cunt? Again, women are angry at men and their harassment but I think they'd have a better argument against this shit.

R93 because it's entertaining and insane. Women are over the top in a comical way, not like comical in a Trump retard way. When a woman gets to a certain age there is no insecurity left therefore no filter-regardless what the media would have you believe, men get more insecure as they age. Women may not like a wrinkle here or there, but put them in a restaurant or a party and they think they are the hottest fucking thing in heels.

You may be touching the topic on the surface but I think there are depper subjects going on psychologically. R97

I have read about a few reasons why some men may develop this sort of transvestic fetishism such as a mother treating her son more like a girl and allowing him to wear women's clothes, usually because they actually desire a daughter more tha a son. Some mey grow out of it while other may project their whole self through this.

I never got all that much into them. Few are really funny; most are just loud, using the clothing and makeup as a shield against their poor personalities (bitchy) and insecurities.

Drag Queens only goal in life is to be like Rita Hayworth in Gilda but completely shitfaced and looking like a circus clown.

Do we have a deranged drag queen that was pushed out of the local scene? How many drag queen threads are you going to bump today?

Chiyo is certainly an annoying breed. I could swear I saw her post a video along the lines of “ What RuPaul Doesn’t Know About Drag”.

are they still popular?

Drag is great. Most of the performers are very entertaining.

It's the trans I could do without - full of self important and zero self awareness.

I won’t go to any place with drag queens. I find them vulgar and grating

[quote]I won’t go to any place with drag queens.

Yet you'll revive an old thread just to make a boring comment.

Drag queen bitchiness is so one-note.

Let's talk about something exhausting?

Let's not. Drag queens are white performers in blackface from the 19th Century.

Where did you live where drag queens were all fine upstanding citizens? Drag Mayberry?

Many aspects of gay culture at the moment are really basic - drag queens, strippers, pop music / diva worship, cocaine.

That’s why a lot of guys want nothing to do with gay culture

[quote]Are you exhausted by drag queens?

I'm certainly exhausted by Drag Race in all its variations.

Drag was better when it was underground.

Now it's so Hot Topic.

[quote]I'm certainly exhausted by Drag Race in all its variations.

Hold on, you're gonna love Drag Race - Dufar with a certain orphan supposedly the winner.

R113 was being flip but they nailed it, really.

Drag queens in the 70s, 80s and 90s had to serve so many roles in a community - they were excellent hosts and had a real talent for repartee. And for the most part, they had, to borrow the ballroom scene terms, some realness, fishy realness. So it was very fun and novel to see them at that time - in a club or on TV. (Yes, we hated when their show ran too long on Fridays and cut into our dancing time, but it was usually fun.)

RPDR changed everything, in some good ways and some bad. Now the in look for queens is that Kabuki mask face paint and wild wigs. For every truly inventive queen like Sasha Velour, you have five that look like fever dreams or animated characters. Those great hosting skills, which made everyone in a room feel welcome, have been replaced by a smugness that isn't fun to watch. And listen, queens have cunted since the beginning of time, but most of them knew how to make and land a joke, do a brief "read" at someone's expense. Somewhere along the line it became less Joan Rivers/Kathy Griffin and more Mean Girls Aren't I Fabulous? (If you have to ask, hon, you're not.)

[quote]Many aspects of gay culture at the moment are really basic - drag queens, strippers, pop music / diva worship, cocaine.

I wouldn't walk across the street for a $100 bill and any of the above choices.

Drag queens give me LIFE!!!

Sorry for the rest of you.

nah, I still like them. Actually I really miss drag shows. I have to see if any are happening in town next few months.

I have nothing against them. They are living their lives they way they want and entertaining people. My only issue is they seem to be the go to for LGB representation.

Jimmy James looks like he's fallen on hard times. Living in Texas with his mom, supposedly because she's ill but she appears fine. Don't these queens save their money? He toured for years.

On the plus side- with his weight gain- he can revive his career by imitating Madonna.

Jimmy wasn't a drag queen. The majority didn't sing live. He specifically imitated Marilyn (until Monroe's estate threatened to sue) and Judy and then did vocal impressions.

Never liked them.

I follow Jackie Beat on Facebook. I like her witty makeup application sessions. Bitch has been around since before Cher.

I remember the glory days of old school London drag acts like Regina Fong, Dockyard Doris and The Trollettes. I’ve seen Lady Bunny and Lypsinka perform. The current crop are mostly just make up artists. Very few of them have any substance or style.

The beauty and insult comedy queens are becoming cliche because there is such a low barrier to entry. Being good looking or bitchy isn't a talent.

I'm just exhausted by BAD drag queens. Drag is an art, and not everyone has what it takes. There's much more to it than putting on a dress and calling everyone bitches.

It's the most off-putting of art forms.

[quote]you're gonna love Drag Race - Dufar with a certain orphan supposedly the winner

Oh please, I've seen that bloated belly smeared with dung and bedazzled with living maggots more times than I can count.

And it's "Darfur" for christ's sake.

^Shouldn't "christ" be capitalized?

Miss Coco Peru is not like the others, she's not scary and vulgar like the clowns mentioned above. Just like a regular broad.

Give me my glamorous cool classy soft-butch crossdressers anyday!

A very few of the older ones -- Charles Busch, Miss Coco Peru, and RuPaul -- can bring me enormous joy. But the younger ones are all obnoxious and mean and aren't fun at all.

The only gay bar anywhere near where I live is a drag bar...So, I've never been to a gay bar.

Most of them are so annoying.

In the small city I live, it’s fairly dominant in the gay nightlife culture. I find it insufferable but have to choose very carefully who I express that to. Some people get so triggered by it. DL is a wonderful place to express such frustrations in a light hearted manner.

Yes…drag queens/trans are tiresome at best. I’ve had sufficient

"Bob the drag queen" might be one of the most physically repulsive queens I've ever seen. I don't think you can even call him a drag queen, he looks more like a bush league transvestite, a fat one at that. And terribly unfunny. Bendela Creme is another I find loathsome, I don't know what it is but he radiates a negative energy; he strikes me as sociopathic.

Old school drag performers like Danny La Rue and Lily Savage really had talent, they could sing/dance (or at least tried to) and knew how to command an audience. There was a dignity in their drag that you just don't see now.

I think what's made it so exhausting and boring is the trans/pans that have taken over and how they always seem to be in a continual preschool state of drama and pettiness.

Love drag queens.

With that said, I’m not friends with any and I don’t follow any on social media. I like seeing them on YouTube though (I don’t watch RuPaul live but I do watch the YouTube outtakes like the challenges, fashions, arguments and lip syncs). And the rare times I’ve seen them at a club (not much of a club person here) they’ve been nice to me.

Find it funny OP hates them yet he follows them?

Roxanne Gaye is EXHAUSTED by Drag Queens.

Love Coco Peru and RuPaul…in small doses. Drag shows got so tiresome…how many times can you watch a man in woman’s clothing lip syncing?

Yes.

Used to be a fan but now I'm sick of them from over-saturation and the fact that Drag Race has caused frauen to gather around drag queen culture and adopt it as their own thing.

Yes. Honestly, I have never felt comfortable with drag. I don't get the appeal. No disrespect to people who do it but once I see a guy in drag, I can't unsee it and I can never find them sexy.

They can be emotionally exhausting. The whole parody thing is creepy. Just be yourself whatever that may be?

No I don't actually know any drag queens.

No, I have never watched RuPaul's show nor do I know anything about it.

No, I think they only dress like women when they're on stage, but I am sure that dress like that all the time.

Yes, it is sort of misogynist. More than sort of actually.

No, I don't think most gay guys find them sexy. I don't think they're supposed to be sexy. Just funny or an approximation thereof.

^^but I am sure there are a few that dress like that all the time.

I did it a for about three years, once a week with a comedy troupe. If you had a hairy chest or mustache, you didn't shave it off, but incorporated into your persona. We rarely rehearsed but for our group numbers and even then, half of the ladies didn't know their words or dance steps. I also was the set designer for the bar's regular drag cast, so I was around "the girls" for rehearsals and many of their shows. For me, it was the fun of getting up on stage and performing. Some truly wonderful memories. Of course, this was in the early 1980s, so it was a different time.

The Jewel Box Revue: When drag had REAL glamour.

January 14, 1985: NY Times obit of one of the stars of The Jewel Box.

LYNNE CARTER, IMPERSONATOR Lynne Carter, a female impersonator, died of pneumonia in Memorial Hospital for Cancer and Allied Diseases Friday. He was 60 years old and lived in Manhattan.

Frank Corradino, Mr. Carter's stage manager and dresser for many years, said yesterday that the 'underlying cause of death was acquired immune deficiency syndrome - AIDS.'

Billed as 'Mr. Lynne Carter,' Mr. Carter began his career as Hildegarde at a Halloween Party in Cleveland shortly after he left the navy following World War II. His final appearances were in 'Hooray for Hollywood,' a revue at the St. Regis-Sheraton Hotel last January.

In 1971, he became the first female impersonator to star in a concert at Carnegie Hall. Among his favorite subjects were Pearl Bailey, Marlene Dietrich, Bette Davis, Mae West, Hermione Gingold, Phyllis Diller and Eartha Kitt. Kay Thompson's threats to sue redounded to Mr. Carter's benefit and helped establish his career in Los Angeles. He believed that contemporary women were not so mimicable as their predecessors. He said Jane Fonda and Raquel Welch, for example, have no spectacular mannerisms that can be copied.

Encouraged by Pearl Bailey

Mr. Carter credited Pearl Bailey with launching his career after she saw him do an impression of her in a Chicago club. She gave him encouragement, copies of her arrangements and a wardrobe. Later, Josephine Baker gave him three taxicabs full of Balenciaga and Dior gowns and tutored him in phonetic French.

He appeared primarily in clubs and cabarets and was in the 1970 movie 'The Man from O.R.G.Y.' and Off Broadway in 'Jewel Box Revue,' in 1958, and 'Fun City,' a revue, in 1968.

He said in a 1971 interview: 'I much prefer being a man. Women have to spend so much time pulling themselves together, and their shoes kill your feet. I know. And they don't have the freedom that men do. I can walk into this place, and that place, and go anywhere I want to, where women can't.'

Critics attributed his success to his ability to give his characterizations authenticity and depth as well as humor.

There are no survivors.

A memorial service will be held Jan. 21, at 11:30 A.M. at Frank E. Campbell's Funeral Chapel, 1076 Madison Avenue, at 81st Street.

R141, one of these days she's going to be exhausted by being exhausted, that woman!

Drag's never been my thing to be honest. Going to see a show gives that anxiety that they may call you out from stage, which I hate, plus the humour, the stylings etc, none of it interests me. Interestingly, most of the straight guys I know enjoy drag shows. It almost appears like it's a thing for them now, not us.

The Real Housewives replaced drag for me.

Way back it may have had glamour. I saw a documentary on the Cockettes, gender fuck drag and that had a certain style. However those nasty messes who populate bars today are fucking disgusting.

More bored than exhausted.

Like everything, it can be very well done or just atrocious. When well done, it is performance art. Problem is, for every Dina Martina or Coco Peru or Bianca del Rio, there are 2000 men in sloppy drag who lip sync and bitch at everyone, with a varying degree of humor.

All 3 you named are as talent free as the other 2000.

Charlie's dad

Sorry, wrong thread ^