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Smallville actress Allison Mack is 'second in command of sex cult under investigation for branding

A former star of the hit series Smallville has been identified as a high-ranking member of a sex cult.

Last month, the New York Times broke the story about a secret sorority that brands women, puts them on starvation diets and beats them if they don't recruit enough 'slaves'.

The group, called DOS, is reportedly a secret society for the highest ranking female members within the self-help group NXIVM.

To outsiders, NXIVM is just a run-of-the-mill self-improvement group, offering classes that teach the answers to living a successful and fulfilling life.

But ex-members told the Times that NXIVM functions as a cult for people at the high levels of the group, who have dedicated themselves full-time to founder Keith Rainere and his teachings.

On Wednesday, a former spokesman for the group, Frank Parlato, told The Sun that an 'Emmy Award-winning actress' is a 'key recruiter' for DOS.

While The Sun did not name the actress, DailyMail.com can reveal that she is Allison Mack, who played Clark Kent's sidekick Chloe Sullivan on the long-running CW series Smallville.

The Frank Report claimed that Mack created DOS with the intention of turning it into a worldwide organization that would be a 'force for good and a female force against evil'.

Ex-members have detailed how only the most loyal NXIVM female members are offered the ability to try out for DOS. In order to join, prospective new members must allegedly turn over damning personal information as a show of trust. But ex-members say that information is actually used to keep members from speaking out about the horrifying reality of the group.

DOS operates as a master-slave hierarchy, with Raniere at the top and Mack as his immediate subordinate. From there, Mack has several slaves of her own who are then ordered to recruit a group of slaves themselves, and it spreads down from there like a pyramid scheme.

Slaves must immediately answer their masters any time they text or call them, and if they do not recruit enough slaves of their own, they are beaten with a paddle on their buttocks.

The Frank Report alleges that it was Mack who introduced corporeal punishment to the group.

When women are deemed worthy to enter the group, they are ordered to strip at an initiation ceremony and then branded with a symbol that includes both Raniere and Mack's initials.

The blog also says that there's yet another tier of the cult above DOS. Women who perform well in DOS may also be invited to join Raniere's harem.

Mack 'has assumed the top position in the harem,' the Report says.

'Miss Mack has proven capable in the recruitment department replacing many aging harem members with younger, more nubile women,' the Report says.

Earlier this week, Catherine Oxenberg met with prosecutors in NY Attorney General Eric Schneiderman's office to speak about her daughter India, who is a member of the sorority, the New York Post reported.

Oxenberg has been outspoken about the group, and fears that her daughter is being starved and blackmailed.

According to the Post, Schneiderman's prosecutors are focusing their efforts on the women who were branded against their will.

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And we have our first woman in this round of scandals. It's always the quiet ones.

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by Anonymousreply 537February 4, 2021 10:55 PM

Why is this cult guy still alive?

by Anonymousreply 1November 9, 2017 7:01 AM

Sounds like more fun than Weight Watchers

by Anonymousreply 2November 9, 2017 7:02 AM

How truly bizarre. Seems like something that should have been printed in the National Enquirer.

by Anonymousreply 3November 9, 2017 7:12 AM

Christ.

by Anonymousreply 4November 9, 2017 7:16 AM

Honestly, it fascinates me that cults are still around. If you think about it, society probably doesn't take them as seriously anymore, or may even think of the concept as outdated. This might be the best time for cults to form. I wonder if we'll be hearing even more about them a decade from now... especially since cults tend to form during times of great societal strife. We'll see.

by Anonymousreply 5November 9, 2017 7:17 AM

When did Allison Mack get an Emmy???

by Anonymousreply 6November 9, 2017 7:34 AM

Jeebus. DOS is all white women im guessing, at the risk of being seen as racist.

by Anonymousreply 7November 9, 2017 7:36 AM

R6, for Smallville season 7.

by Anonymousreply 8November 9, 2017 7:58 AM

Perverts. Pedos. And now sex slave cults.

by Anonymousreply 9November 9, 2017 7:59 AM

DOS is to white women what R Kelly is to black women.

by Anonymousreply 10November 9, 2017 8:01 AM

What does DoS stand for? And what does NVICII stand for?

by Anonymousreply 11November 9, 2017 8:02 AM

This woman keeps saying that Kristin Kreuk was also involved. In another post she said:

[quote]Over the years Allison Mack and Kristin Kreuk were always starting some kind of project aimed at "empowering" young women. Shit was always weirdly vague.

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by Anonymousreply 12November 9, 2017 8:30 AM

Must have some good dick, eh?

by Anonymousreply 13November 9, 2017 9:52 AM

Is she the Mack Daddy or the Daddy Mack?

by Anonymousreply 14November 9, 2017 10:08 AM

She never won an Emmy.

by Anonymousreply 15November 9, 2017 10:35 AM

R11, DOS stands for Dominant Over Submissive, NXIVM I don't think it means something.

by Anonymousreply 16November 9, 2017 10:35 AM

[quote]NXIVM

Roman numerals? A date??

by Anonymousreply 17November 9, 2017 10:40 AM

I think it is pronounced 'nexium'.

by Anonymousreply 18November 9, 2017 10:43 AM

[quote]When did Allison Mack get an Emmy???

[quote][R6], for Smallville season 7.

That’s the real surprise here. Who cares about a sex cult as long as they don’t eat babies or anything. YOLO.

by Anonymousreply 19November 9, 2017 10:55 AM

Cults and cult thinking are thriving thanks to the internet. It is spilling out into the mainstream now. Certainly in politics.

by Anonymousreply 20November 9, 2017 10:55 AM

That woman is right, as it is a story I read about here on the DL.

We nail another one.

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by Anonymousreply 21November 9, 2017 2:48 PM

Was referring to r12

by Anonymousreply 22November 9, 2017 2:49 PM

I am confused about the emmy, the only emmys Smallville won were in sound editing r8

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by Anonymousreply 23November 9, 2017 2:58 PM

Oxenburg looks like a skeleton in a wig.. Work?

by Anonymousreply 24November 9, 2017 3:01 PM

As far as I can tell nothing going on here is illegal. Branding is small potatoes compared to some of the truly hideous body mod some young people go through today just to be edgy.

by Anonymousreply 25November 9, 2017 3:03 PM

I see Allison Mack's emmy froms from Lost in Oz, the show won a daytime emmy for outstanding kid's animated program and she voices a character on the show.

That makes sense, I knew Mack had not won an emmy.

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by Anonymousreply 26November 9, 2017 3:07 PM

"I think it is pronounced 'nexium'."

Well, at least they won't get heartburn while getting gangbanged by hooded satanists slathered in goat blood.

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by Anonymousreply 27November 9, 2017 6:46 PM

It says in her twitter bio that she is “woman of 35 and counting...” free to be you and me and all that, but that is creepy af.

by Anonymousreply 28November 9, 2017 6:52 PM

How people get sucked into stupid cults, I'll never understand. Sad. She was one of the best things about Smallville.

by Anonymousreply 29November 9, 2017 9:55 PM

Also apparently Grace Park from Battlestar Galactica is/was involved in this cult as well.

by Anonymousreply 30November 9, 2017 9:57 PM

Here's an article about Park's departure from Hawaii Five-0, which rumor has it was due as much to her desire to be part of this misogynistic sex cult as it was to monetary disputes. Apparently she was already in the orbit of the cult when on the show and as a result was behaving erratically.

She's in her 40s so she's not entitled to the rare honor of naked Tantric one on one teachings with the cult leader, but she can still get branded!

Read the comments at the end of the post -- just in case there was any doubt that this is a cult....

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by Anonymousreply 31November 9, 2017 10:10 PM

[quote]It says in her twitter bio that she is “woman of 35 and counting...” free to be you and me and all that, but that is creepy af.

It's Keith Raniere who's counting. After a woman gets to be a certain age she is no longer entitled to the rare privilege of his close personal company. She's probably sweating bullets with each passing birthday and new wrinkle. As I mentioned above, Grace Park is in her 40s and, despite being an exceptional beauty, is too old to be in the cult leader's immediate orbit.

by Anonymousreply 32November 9, 2017 10:13 PM

My apologies -- I referred to "Keith Raniere" in my preceding post, but as we all know, he's supposed to be referred to as "The Vanguard." Please accept my apologies, The Vanguard.

by Anonymousreply 33November 9, 2017 10:24 PM

so it's a cult for women on the Z list? interesting!

by Anonymousreply 34November 9, 2017 10:34 PM

I didnt think people can be this stupid but here they are

by Anonymousreply 35November 9, 2017 10:38 PM

So, the 1998 film 'Spellbinder' was based on real events?

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by Anonymousreply 36November 9, 2017 10:39 PM

[Quote]DOS is to white women what R Kelly is to black women.

Note quite...nice try though.

by Anonymousreply 37November 9, 2017 10:49 PM

Holy shit. I totally remember her from Smallville.

by Anonymousreply 38November 9, 2017 10:55 PM

[Quote]As far as I can tell nothing going on here is illegal. Branding is small potatoes compared to some of the truly hideous body mod some young people go through today just to be edgy.

And the PR spinning begins in 3...2...1

by Anonymousreply 39November 9, 2017 10:58 PM

R27 OMG. LOL!!!

by Anonymousreply 40November 9, 2017 11:09 PM

Hunky Mark Hildreth, Kristin Kreuk's boyfriend, was in the cult too but has escaped.

The funniest thing Nxivm has ever done was to try and recruit college students at a capella music festival.

I would join a sex cult headed by Tom Welling.

by Anonymousreply 41November 10, 2017 2:43 AM

Why would anyone join a sex cult co-lead by Allison Mack?

And for the poster above, I took the “woman of 35 and counting...” in a total different way than you did. I didn’t think she was talking about her age, but the number in her harem.

by Anonymousreply 42November 10, 2017 4:09 AM

[quote] apparently Grace Park from Battlestar Galactica is/was involved in this cult as well.

I don't know about that one. If Grace was recruiting sex harems they'd outnumber Scientology.

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by Anonymousreply 43November 10, 2017 4:18 AM

What is it with these Smallville actors? Sam Jones III, who played Pete, was busted years ago for being a big time drug dealer and later made an amateur sex tape that was leaked (in which you can see he’s got a giant cock), and now Allie Mack? I’m half expecting Michael Rosenbaum to be outed as a cross-dressing sex fiend.

by Anonymousreply 44November 10, 2017 4:28 AM

Why doesn’t someone just kill these cult leaders? Christ if they had my loved one I’d hang them high with their small intestines.

by Anonymousreply 45November 10, 2017 4:53 AM

Who has time for a cult? Shouldn't these D-list bitches be going to auditions?

by Anonymousreply 46November 10, 2017 5:02 AM

Edgar Bronfman's daughter is in the cult too. Man, why can't I inherit millions? I promise not to hand it over to a sex cult!

by Anonymousreply 47November 10, 2017 5:18 AM

So is Tom Welling the only person from this show who isnt a fuck up?

by Anonymousreply 48November 10, 2017 6:00 AM

Hilarious interview with Tom conducted by Michael Rosenbaum on his podcast. I got a kick out of hearing good boy Tom use curse words.

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by Anonymousreply 49November 10, 2017 7:08 PM

I'm disappointed she didn't go further with her acting career--she was a superb actress, and was much better than anyone else on the show (including even Annette O'Toole, which is really saying something).

by Anonymousreply 50November 10, 2017 7:14 PM

Yeah she showed lots of talent on smallville r50, pity she got sucked into this cult.

by Anonymousreply 51November 11, 2017 3:01 PM

[Quote] Hunky Mark Hildreth, Kristin Kreuk's boyfriend, was in the cult too but has escaped.

So did Kristin leave too or.......?

[Quote] I’m half expecting Michael Rosenbaum to be outed as a cross-dressing sex fiend.

Lol wouldn't surprise me.

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by Anonymousreply 52November 11, 2017 3:09 PM

The LGBTQwhatever is like a cult

The internet and social media has made the mind hives orgs grow exponentially

by Anonymousreply 53November 11, 2017 3:23 PM

R48 Smallville cast is mostly comprised of low drama people. Tom Welling, Michael Rosenbaum, Erica Durance, Eric Johnson, Aaron Ashmore and Laura Vandervoort are all steadily working. (And of course Annette O"Toole and John Glover never have to wait for roles.)

Kristin Kreuk escaped the cult and has a new show coming up on Canadian TV.

Cassidy Freeman (Tess) is one of the Jeremy Piven accusers, which only makes me love her more!

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by Anonymousreply 54November 13, 2017 3:28 AM

So how is Tom involved in this sex cult dungeon thing and where do I sign up?

by Anonymousreply 55November 13, 2017 3:46 AM

Heh r55, I might handle a branding for a night with Welling in his prime.

by Anonymousreply 56November 13, 2017 4:02 AM

Now some people are saying that faker Sherry Papini was kidnapped by this cult because she was branded too.

by Anonymousreply 57November 13, 2017 4:04 AM

Have you seen any details about Sherry's so-called branding? I haven't, and I wonder if what they're calling a branding is just plain ol' scar. That whole story is full of BS.

Sorry to get sidetracked, now back to the Smallville sex cult.

by Anonymousreply 58November 13, 2017 5:25 PM

[Quote] Kristin Kreuk escaped the cult and has a new show coming up on Canadian TV.

Better late than never.

by Anonymousreply 59November 13, 2017 5:29 PM

[quote]Smallville cast is mostly comprised of low drama people. Tom Welling, Michael Rosenbaum, Erica Durance, Eric Johnson, Aaron Ashmore and Laura Vandervoort are all steadily working. (And of course Annette O"Toole and John Glover never have to wait for roles.)

You forget John Schneider, who’s been on Tyler Perry’s OWN series The Haves and the Have Nots for the last five or so years.

by Anonymousreply 60November 14, 2017 2:42 AM

Here’s Sam Jones III and his ginormous cock. It’s probably bigger than all the males in the Smallville cast (save Schneider’s)...

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by Anonymousreply 61November 14, 2017 2:44 AM

Allison is choosing to ignore the controversy and post on Instagram as if nothing is going on. I can see why with all that’s going on, she’ll be forgotten very fast.

by Anonymousreply 62November 14, 2017 3:13 AM

Sherri Papini?

That cult is pulling beautiful celebrities, I'm sure they can do better than crazy thirtyish mothers from flyover country.

by Anonymousreply 63November 15, 2017 10:53 PM

Bumping this story for DL discussion. Kind of reminds me of Handmaids Tale.

Sources saying Mack is about to be arrasred.

by Anonymousreply 64March 29, 2018 3:58 PM

[bold]Shocking moment group including Smallville star Allison Mack argue with police before a high speed car chase after cops arrest the sex-trafficking cult leader who fled to Mexico[/bold]

Daaamn, you couldn't make this shit up! It's getting crazier by the day.

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by Anonymousreply 65March 29, 2018 4:05 PM

Damn iPhone typo. That’s arrested.

by Anonymousreply 66March 29, 2018 4:17 PM

Posted from twitter:

This is huge. Its clients have included Richard Branson as well as actresses Linda Evans, Allison Mack, Kristin Kreuk &Nicki Clyne. According to Forbes magazine, 3,700 people had taken part in its Executive Success Program as of 2003, including Sheila Johnson, co-founder of BET

by Anonymousreply 67March 29, 2018 4:18 PM

Vanity Fair did a story about this a few years ago

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by Anonymousreply 68March 29, 2018 4:19 PM

Mack is feeling her grasp on power slipping and she is NOT having it! This is literally the only thing she's got going in life. Imagine wasting so many years on a cult and then it all just crumbles one day in Mexico.

by Anonymousreply 69March 29, 2018 4:23 PM

NXIVM: What We Know About Alleged Sex Trafficking, Forced Labor

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by Anonymousreply 70March 29, 2018 4:26 PM

[Quote] This is huge. Its clients have included Richard Branson

Of course it does.

by Anonymousreply 71March 29, 2018 4:44 PM

How would I start a cult for 18 year old twinks?

by Anonymousreply 72March 29, 2018 4:50 PM

I read somewhere that years ago Robert Beltran of Star Trek:Voyager got sucked into the Lyndon Larouche cult, which is boring and apparently has no sexual weirdness.

by Anonymousreply 73March 29, 2018 5:05 PM

I will never understand how people get so easily sucked into cults. So many people without basic common sense out there.

by Anonymousreply 74March 29, 2018 5:09 PM

[Quote] So many people without basic common sense out there.

I guess wanting to be apart of something overrides that.......or they're just really dumb.

by Anonymousreply 75March 29, 2018 5:12 PM

R61, that guy was going to make a snake tape no matter what.

by Anonymousreply 76March 29, 2018 5:32 PM

DOS really means in their world Dominant Over Submissive. What a load of crap. You can't make that shit up.

by Anonymousreply 77March 29, 2018 5:36 PM

Initially Raniere was going to call his cult POS, then thought better of it.

by Anonymousreply 78March 29, 2018 5:43 PM

Why is there even an investigation? Aren't these nitwits all there voluntarily?

by Anonymousreply 79March 29, 2018 5:48 PM

Not sure that makes any difference, R79.

by Anonymousreply 80March 29, 2018 5:53 PM

Who's the young hot dude shilling for the cult in this vid? What a dimwit...

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by Anonymousreply 81March 29, 2018 5:57 PM

"with respect to"... Right off the bat he sounds like an idiot. Like C-student at Yale.

by Anonymousreply 82March 29, 2018 6:06 PM

"methodology", another word that just makes me laugh. These guys need life coaches.

by Anonymousreply 83March 29, 2018 6:07 PM

He has that chilling "watch me make love to you with my in-no-way creepy eyes" thing going on that all cult leaders specialize in.

by Anonymousreply 84March 29, 2018 6:09 PM

He does a lot of regular pressure with his hands.

by Anonymousreply 85March 29, 2018 6:41 PM

I'd suffer a good branding if I got to suck, rim and have tantric intercourse with Welling.

by Anonymousreply 86March 29, 2018 6:44 PM

r81 Anyone know the name of that guy? I swear I've seen him in minor roles in about a hundred different things.

by Anonymousreply 87March 29, 2018 6:48 PM

The young actor or the dope with the glasses R87?

by Anonymousreply 88March 29, 2018 6:51 PM

R88 We obviously know the cult leader's name already...

by Anonymousreply 89March 29, 2018 6:53 PM

Why the hell have so many Canadian actresses fallen for this Brooklyn trash? I guess you had to be there to witness this incredible magnetism in person.

"Rational Inquiry"

Let me demonstrate how rational inquiry works, Allison Mack. You just needed to go through this one line of thought internally in all the time you've been in this cult: "There are [italic]so many[/italic] actors out there, throughout history and right now, who haven't gone through the NXIVM programme and yet are infinitely more successful than I am. Is it possible that this programme is not the holy grail of success it claims to be?" That's literally all it takes. Of course, I understand that the point of the cult becomes completely different once you rise in its ranks.

And Kristin Kreuk should be dragged as well. She's the one who recruited Mack.

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by Anonymousreply 90March 29, 2018 7:21 PM

All these cults offer you something you, supposedly, can't get anywhere else: Purpose, power, feeding one's ego, salvation, great career opportunities (through networking with cult members who look out for each other), knowledge, the feeling to belong, etc.

by Anonymousreply 91March 29, 2018 7:29 PM

Cult leaders are con artists and all con tricks exploit the target's ego, greed or insecurity.

by Anonymousreply 92March 29, 2018 7:36 PM

I know a lot of us like to hate on Enty but he called this a few years ago.

by Anonymousreply 93March 29, 2018 7:55 PM

Cause he got it from DL, r93.

by Anonymousreply 94March 29, 2018 7:58 PM

Which he probably stole off the DL r93, as we called this years ago.

by Anonymousreply 95March 29, 2018 7:58 PM

More about NXIVM - from 2007.

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by Anonymousreply 96March 29, 2018 7:59 PM

r94 & r95 are telepathically linked.

by Anonymousreply 97March 29, 2018 8:06 PM

But we speak the truth, r97.

by Anonymousreply 98March 29, 2018 8:12 PM

More from 2007.

It has also peddled its “executive success” and personal-growth seminars to a purported 400,000 students, who paid up to $7,500 each for its sessions.

Rosters included Antonia Novello, a former surgeon general who was New York state health commissioner, Ana Cristina Fox, the daughter of former Mexican president Vicente Fox, and Kristin Kreuk, who plays Lana Lang on TV’s “Smallville.”

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by Anonymousreply 99March 29, 2018 8:17 PM

Interesting article about the heiresses who gave a lot of money to this cult

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by Anonymousreply 100March 30, 2018 6:02 AM

She's not really an Emmy winner. He hate when people lie about their awards.

by Anonymousreply 101March 30, 2018 6:55 AM

R91 Hit the nail on the head. You'll never get a well balanced, good self esteem, non broke and logical person joining these cults. They prey on people that have issues and are on some level despressed, mostly the con man/woman just listens to the suckers woes and the suckers feel loved/understood and in return stay and give their money.

by Anonymousreply 102March 30, 2018 9:27 AM
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by Anonymousreply 103March 30, 2018 10:32 AM

Hypnosis, NLP... (at the 3min mark) So basically he's admitting himself this is just conning people.

by Anonymousreply 104March 30, 2018 11:17 AM

The guy across the table is a fucking TOOL. He better leave the cult NOW that he still has two functioning brain cells.

by Anonymousreply 105March 30, 2018 11:19 AM

The "rapport" that the two have is scary, though. It's rare to see a guy (the young one) so eager to please. Anyway, leave the cult!

by Anonymousreply 106March 30, 2018 11:24 AM

“Investigators said Raniere preferred exceptionally thin women, so ‘slaves’ had to stick to very low-calorie diets and document every food they ate. As punishment for not following orders, women were forced to attend classes where they were ‘forced to wear fake cow udders over their breasts while people called them derogatory names,’ or threatened with being put in cages.”

So this is what female empowerment is all about? Sicko.

by Anonymousreply 107March 30, 2018 11:40 AM

The Dalai Lama hasn't released a statement but it sounds like he was duped by his aide, the monk he fired.

To the poster upthread, Raniere did commit crimes. He's charged w/ sex-trafficking. Allison Mack will be charged too.

Sad that Grace Park has been snookered by this guy. She was good on Hawaii Five-0.

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by Anonymousreply 108March 30, 2018 12:02 PM

The Dalai Lama's aide who was fired was the one who had the association w/ the cult.

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by Anonymousreply 109March 30, 2018 12:04 PM

Shecksh trafficing

by Anonymousreply 110March 30, 2018 12:16 PM

[quote]Why the hell have so many Canadian actresses fallen for this Brooklyn trash?

Well, if they are from BC (British Columbia) cults/New Age stuff are popular there. As well as looking perfect and going to the gym etc. All of that mixed together. Plus Vancouver is a newer city with more rootless people, and a newer city without traditions, intellectual life, etc. (Though everywhere is getting kind of dumb these days)

by Anonymousreply 111March 30, 2018 12:21 PM

[Quote] Sad that Grace Park has been snookered by this guy. She was good on Hawaii Five-0.

Grace Park too?!

by Anonymousreply 112March 30, 2018 3:31 PM

There's a video with him and a blonde woman. The way she acts is exactly how that worker acted that I mentioned in the "people you initially liked but ended up not liking at all" thread.

It's uncanny and now makes me wonder what the deal was with that co-worker. Something was not right, but then nothing is right in that workplace.

by Anonymousreply 113March 30, 2018 3:42 PM

Another creepy thing about those videos is how long he and whoever he's speaking to hold eye contact. They don't stop looking into each other's eyes for long periods. It's all NLP and crap like that.

by Anonymousreply 114March 30, 2018 3:45 PM

Exactly, R114. It's weeeiird shiiitt...

by Anonymousreply 115March 30, 2018 3:52 PM

[Quote] When I was about 23, I took an Executive Success Programs/NXIVM “intensive,” what I understood to be a self-help/personal growth course that helped me handle my previous shyness, which is why I continued with the program. I left about five years ago and had minimal contact with those who were still involved. The accusations that I was in the “inner circle” or recruited women as “sex slaves” are blatantly false. During my time, I never experienced any illegal or nefarious activity. I am horrified and disgusted by what has come out about DOS. Thank you to all the brave women who have come forward to share their stories and expose DOS; I can’t imagine how difficult this has been for you. I am deeply disturbed and embarrassed to have been associated with NXIVM. I hope that the investigation leads to justice for all of those affected.

I don't know if i believe her.

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by Anonymousreply 116March 30, 2018 4:40 PM

^^ To clarify, that statement comes from Kristin Kreuk, not Allison Mack.

by Anonymousreply 117March 30, 2018 4:44 PM

If the allegations that Kristin Kreuk recruited for Raniere are true, does that make her NXIVM's Heidi Fleiss??

by Anonymousreply 118March 30, 2018 4:47 PM

Cults like folks who are either attractive, rich, or charming. I am none of those. So was never recruited.

by Anonymousreply 119March 30, 2018 5:15 PM

They also like hard workers who can then become slaves, R119.

by Anonymousreply 120March 30, 2018 5:25 PM

I’m not buying Kristin Krueks post. At all.

by Anonymousreply 121March 30, 2018 8:59 PM

Doesn’t the DOS stand for dominant over submissive?? KK is full of shit if you ask me.. but her fans on Twitter are eating it up.

by Anonymousreply 122March 30, 2018 9:06 PM

Seriously, you wonder r74?

Here are just a few cults I can name off THE TOP OF MY HEAD:

- The T Lobby

- The NRA

- The Waco stand-off people

- The white sneakers people who mass suicided

- Jim Jones

- Charles Manson

- the KKK

- Nazis

- Scientologists

- reality tv show viewers

Cult-like thinking PERVADES social media.

How do you know YOU’RE not in a cult of some kind?

Because humans can be played like fiddles by con-men (Trump) & propagandists (Putin).

by Anonymousreply 123March 30, 2018 9:20 PM

Don't forget the trans cult and ISIS

by Anonymousreply 124March 30, 2018 9:27 PM

Oh, sorry you had one!

by Anonymousreply 125March 30, 2018 9:27 PM

r123 thinks everyone she dislikes or doesn't agree with is a member of a cult.

by Anonymousreply 126March 30, 2018 9:33 PM

R126 is just a T loon. Ignore it.

by Anonymousreply 127March 30, 2018 9:39 PM

20/20 did a segment on NXIVM in December and it’s fully viewable at the link.

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by Anonymousreply 128March 30, 2018 9:49 PM

Kristin Kreuk was a member for 7 years

by Anonymousreply 129March 30, 2018 10:32 PM

With Grace Park and Nikki “Callie” Clyne, I wonder how many other Battlestar Galactica people were in this shit.

by Anonymousreply 130March 30, 2018 10:39 PM

Thanks so the DLers who posted links. i read the old Vanity Fair 2010 article last night about the Bronfman sisters. Holy shit! They wasted their $200 million+ inheritance on this cult. At least Johnny Depp wasted his fortune on fun things.

I didn't watch Smallville so I don't know the players but it's laughable that a cult that supposedly empowered women boiled down to women trying to curry favor of ONE asshole, unattractive guy w/ an 80s bad haircut.

Grace Park, why? Why? Why?!

by Anonymousreply 131March 31, 2018 8:17 AM

^^ typo corrected : thanks to

by Anonymousreply 132March 31, 2018 8:18 AM

[quote] “Investigators said Raniere preferred exceptionally thin women, so ‘slaves’ had to stick to very low-calorie diets and document every food they ate. As punishment for not following orders, women were forced to attend classes where they were ‘forced to wear fake cow udders over their breasts while people called them derogatory names,’ or threatened with being put in cages.”

Datalounge should sue, clearly DL invented that fat frau shaming technique.

by Anonymousreply 133March 31, 2018 9:13 AM

Too bad Chrissy Metz didn't join this cult for awhile, she could have used the diet!

by Anonymousreply 134March 31, 2018 9:30 AM

So Kristin was one of the coaches.

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by Anonymousreply 135March 31, 2018 4:20 PM

So did this cult use NLP? Meditation? What were they selling? What were the technologies?

by Anonymousreply 136March 31, 2018 5:46 PM

Starving yourself to escape degradation and being on call as a sex slave seemed to have been the main appeal.

by Anonymousreply 137March 31, 2018 5:50 PM

r81 The dude talking to Raniere is "inspirational speaker" Marc Elliott.

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by Anonymousreply 138March 31, 2018 7:34 PM

r138 Thanks, I guess he isn't an actor after all. From his Wikipedia entry:

[quote]Marc Elliot was born in 1985 in St.Louis. He was diagnosed with Hirschsprung's disease, a rare intestinal disease, at birth. A series of operations for the same left him with only 4 feet of small intestines. He was diagnosed at Tourette's aged nine. Elliot's case was brought into attention when he was covered by a local news channel, WTHR, for being ejected off a Greyhound. Sixteen-year-old Elliot repeatedly, and uncontrollably, shouted a racial slur. While the driver was aware of his condition, he was ejected from the bus taking him home to St. Louis as other passengers objected to his usage of the word. It was after this incident that Elliot started speaking about his condition in order to raise awareness, making his first presentation at Clayton High School.

Um, wow, okay. I guess these hucksters do collabs just like YouTubers or porn stars on that OnlyFans site. Also, not to be confused with the dreamy Marc Elliot of EastEnders.

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by Anonymousreply 139March 31, 2018 7:48 PM

r122 How on earth does Kristin Kreuk have fans? Are they still there from her Smallville days or does she have any other memorable projects going on right now?

Also, people - in this thread and elsewhere - talk about Grace Park like she's the second coming of Miyoshi Umeki. I thought she was just okay on BSG. Was she really that good on that Hawai'i show? If so, I'll have to check it out for sure.

by Anonymousreply 140April 1, 2018 2:21 AM

[quote]How on earth does Kristin Kreuk have fans? Are they still there from her Smallville days or does she have any other memorable projects going on right now?

A lot of her fans are from the Smallville days and they supported her when she did that CW remake of Beauty and the Beast. I actually though Allison Mack was the better actress on Smallville.

by Anonymousreply 141April 1, 2018 4:28 AM

This would make a wonderful role for J-Law.

by Anonymousreply 142April 1, 2018 5:00 AM

[Quote] Also, people - in this thread and elsewhere - talk about Grace Park like she's the second coming of Miyoshi Umeki. I thought she was just okay on BSG. Was she really that good on that Hawai'i show? If so, I'll have to check it out for sure.

Every actor has their stans and i assume hers would come from BSG.

by Anonymousreply 143April 1, 2018 4:39 PM

So fucking creepy.

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by Anonymousreply 144April 1, 2018 4:42 PM

How the fuck do people get caught up in this shit?

by Anonymousreply 145April 1, 2018 6:56 PM

Mack, 34, has been a member of NXIVM since 2006. Sources say she gave up her acting career at the direction of NXIVM leader Keith Raniere aka ‘Vanguard’. She works closely with NXIVM leader Clare Bronfman, an heir to the Seagram’s fortune.

Raniere, Bronfman and Mack are believed to have conspired to form and fund the brutal ‘master-slave cult’, which depends on blackmail to keep women in slavery.

Bronfman allegedly financed the entire operation. There has been no comment from the Bronfman family or their trustees.

by Anonymousreply 146April 1, 2018 8:01 PM

The IRS got involved, joining the FBI's probe.

Game over.

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by Anonymousreply 147April 4, 2018 1:16 AM

Curious as to are you getting any programmes made about it in the U.S.A or is it mostly all articles

As I noticed on British telly a few hours ago, they aired a programme on BBC 1 of all places about that singer R. Kelly running a sex cult from his home. I didn't watch it. But was doubly surprised to see it on the TV guide as 1. I thought hardly anyone would remember him here in Britain anymore and 2. I thought I would have noticed a thread about him in a cult on here first ages ago

I bet I missed the thread, so forgive me, but was it as big a story in America than this NXIVM cult?

by Anonymousreply 148April 4, 2018 2:04 AM

r148 At least on Twitter, the R. Kelly story was by far the bigger one of the two. Black Twitter exploded, basically blaming itself for enabling him for so long. But these allegations weren't anything new so it didn't have as much of an impact beyond that.

This NXIVM business is just bonkers by comparison but didn't get much traction on Twitter as it's just spoiled rich white people fooling around. It's more of a curiosity than a breaking news story. It got covered by Vanity Fair back in 2010 but no one cared until one of the victims' moms kicked up a fuss over her kid being starved and branded.

You can find a collection of exposés by major news outlets at the bottom of this article that was published today by the AV Club. The comments are, as always, a delight.

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by Anonymousreply 149April 4, 2018 2:22 AM

Anyone following this has to read the link below - the story gets wackier. Gay “marriage” and sex scandal and more oh my.

... IMO, No the NXIVM cult isn’t getting much attention in the US though it’s been covered by a handful of major media outlets and there’s been expose’s done on mainstream tv.

Twitter is eating it up though. People are still buzzing.

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by Anonymousreply 150April 4, 2018 2:39 PM

Yes I just saw the report that Allison Mack married that chick from BSG, craziness.

by Anonymousreply 151April 6, 2018 6:17 PM

[Quote] Yes I just saw the report that Allison Mack married that chick from BSG, craziness.

For a second there i thought you meant Grace Park.

by Anonymousreply 152April 6, 2018 6:26 PM

How does one go about joining one of these bizarre sex cults?

by Anonymousreply 153April 6, 2018 6:42 PM

I feel bad about Mack because she was the only one among the leads (except maybe for Michael Rosenbaum) who had any acting talent. Kreuk and Welling were beautiful empty vessels, which was fine for the role of Clark Kent (since that role requires minimal acting skills) but which was disastrous for Lana Lang.

by Anonymousreply 154April 6, 2018 6:45 PM

This piece claims to have a source within the group (so it may be bullshit) who says that Mack is now head bitch in charge of the sex slaves, who are on standby 24 hours a day and must reply to Mack's text messages within one minute or they get punished with a beating.

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by Anonymousreply 155April 6, 2018 6:52 PM

Is she arrested yet?

What I find fascinating is that nicki and Allison’s twitter, instagram etc appears so “normal” ... even wholesome- while all this shit goes on in the background.

I know Allison deleted her web page but the links and blogs are all still there. Many dedicated to Rainere.

I’m guessing how this happens is the acting work dries up, you meet crazies in LA, you are struggling personally, etc. - they promise money and network - abusive relationships look much different from the outside to someone who’s unable to escape living it daily.

The Seagrams heirs giving them 100 million (!!!!) is getting zero traction.

Catherine Oxenberg twitter very active posting about NXIVM.

by Anonymousreply 156April 6, 2018 7:04 PM

WTF?

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by Anonymousreply 157April 6, 2018 9:05 PM

Has Rose issued a statement?

by Anonymousreply 158April 6, 2018 9:32 PM

Who is the Mexican heiress being enslaved? I've heard both Vicente Fox's daughter and Carlos Salinas's daughter mentioned in different articles. I'd imagine it would be huge news in Mexico if the daughters of Mexican ex presidents were being held as sex slaves. I wonder if that led to the recent arrest.

by Anonymousreply 159April 6, 2018 10:04 PM

If you type nxiv into twitter search you get right wing nut jobs connecting this cult to " the Clinton pedo cult".

by Anonymousreply 160April 6, 2018 10:23 PM

I dug deeper and apparently there are multiple children of Mexican ex-presidents involved, Fox, Salinas and Hurtado. It's alleged Christina Fox is the one who helped Raniere escape to Mexico after then NYT article in October. On the American side, I have only seen loose connections to Clinton, like campaign donations and something about Sen. Gillibrand's father. Too many tentacles on this story. It's weird how little media coverage the story is actually getting.

by Anonymousreply 161April 6, 2018 10:37 PM

R149 Thanks for the info. Only thing I knew about R Kelly was the rumours about his love for golden showers

by Anonymousreply 162April 7, 2018 4:37 AM

This. Is so odd.

by Anonymousreply 163April 7, 2018 4:48 AM

Allison Mack was a good actor when Smallville started but as it went on, she became more stiff and stilted, not to mention scarily skinny. Obviously in retrospect, this was the effect of the cult.

It's a sad story, but fascinating. Should make for a riveting trial. Wonder if Kristin Kreuk will testify against her former guru and cast mate?

by Anonymousreply 164April 9, 2018 2:26 AM

[quote]I dug deeper and apparently there are multiple children of Mexican ex-presidents involved, Fox, Salinas and Hurtado.

Jesus. Christ! Speaking of whom...

I wish there were modern media around back when Joseph Smith and Hubbard were starting out with their cons. Now that's an example of shit that spiralled even more out of control than this one here. However, as history has taught us through one very unfortunate example, sometimes even a decisive blow against the founder doesn't help dismantle the cult but makes it more powerful than ever. And it's too late to do anything once a cult gets branded a religion and goes mainstream. Even the lions aren't much help then.

by Anonymousreply 165April 9, 2018 2:36 AM

So is she the Mack Daddy or the Daddy Mack?

by Anonymousreply 166April 9, 2018 12:59 PM

[Quote] Wonder if Kristin Kreuk will testify against her former guru and cast mate?

She must feel terrible since she's the one who introduced Mack to the cult.

by Anonymousreply 167April 9, 2018 6:30 PM

This is a fabulous era for cults: internet as an all-in communication vehicle, terrible public education which imparts zero critical thinking, despite material progress even more depression and alienation among young people PLUS a increasing drug and alcohol use among these young people. No one ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the average person.

by Anonymousreply 168April 9, 2018 7:45 PM

Are there any updates about Rainere? Charges? I haven’t been able to find anything.

The story is buried now in media.

by Anonymousreply 169April 9, 2018 7:53 PM

Ok - maybe I’m being a hysterical bottom slut but in some photos, especially younger ones, I find the cult leader kinda sexy...I’d let him fuck me, I bet he’s good at it which probably added to the mystique with these INSANE bitches...

by Anonymousreply 170April 9, 2018 7:57 PM

Smallville, Catherine Oxenberg(!)’s daughter, A Mexican President’s kids, the Battlestar chicks, the Terminator 3 villain, NY/LA and luxury villa in Mex, branding and fat shaming pretty young girls, this story is so deliciously Z-list you couldn’t possibly make this SHIT UP. It’s like a Roger Corman script - just waiting for Adrienne Barbeau or Angie Everhart to show up and save the day.

by Anonymousreply 171April 9, 2018 8:21 PM

how's this crazy cunt not in jail yet??

by Anonymousreply 172April 9, 2018 8:33 PM

^you mean a John Waters movie, R171

by Anonymousreply 173April 9, 2018 8:34 PM

Yes the cult leader is sexy.

by Anonymousreply 174April 10, 2018 3:29 AM

New installment, featuring the hunky but apparently wussy Mark Hildreth.

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by Anonymousreply 175April 12, 2018 11:53 PM

One day I was walking in Venice, CA, and I passed by this church-like building with a bunch of good looking young people hanging around- chatting, playing hackey-sack, you name it. It was weird, they seemed clean cut, but... I don't know, they were acting odd.

Turns out it was a cult founded by Andrew Keegan (the actor) called Full Circle. Don't know if there were sex slaves involved, but it was weird.

by Anonymousreply 176April 13, 2018 1:40 AM

bump

by Anonymousreply 177April 20, 2018 4:57 AM

Arrested!

[quote]The actress was arrested by the FBI, according to NYC law enforcement sources, and is due to appear in federal court in Brooklyn Friday. It's unclear what charges she is facing so far.

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by Anonymousreply 178April 20, 2018 8:15 PM

[quote]It was weird, they seemed clean cut, but... I don't know, they were acting odd.

r176 Must have been all that illegal kombucha they were drinking.

by Anonymousreply 179April 20, 2018 8:18 PM

OP credits the NY Times with breaking this story, but it is Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump who are cracking down on human trafficking. This cult would be operating freely still if Trump had not won.

by Anonymousreply 180April 20, 2018 8:25 PM

i hope and pray R180 is trolling hard

by Anonymousreply 181April 20, 2018 8:28 PM

r180 Yes, I'm sure Allison was using Craigslist to pimp out her girls all the time.

by Anonymousreply 182April 20, 2018 8:31 PM

[quote] Arrested!

Holy shit.

by Anonymousreply 183April 20, 2018 8:43 PM

[quote] Arrested!

Somebody save me!

by Anonymousreply 184April 20, 2018 8:43 PM

R184 Good one.

by Anonymousreply 185April 20, 2018 8:44 PM

R176, I do recall reading about the Keegan cult. It seemed harmless and they do sell kombucha.

Hate the human trafficking propaganda by rethugs. I am sure it is a cynical way to punish the prostitutes. But seems like Mack got in way over her head.

by Anonymousreply 186April 20, 2018 8:53 PM

Man, if you had told me Chloe from Smallville would one day end up being arrested on sex trafficking charges, I'd have thought you were nuts.

by Anonymousreply 187April 20, 2018 9:01 PM

'Allison Mack' now trending on Twitter. She's finally made it, you guys!

[quote]The Smallville actress, along with NXIVM cult leader Keith Raniere, also known as “Vanguard,” was charged with sex trafficking, sex trafficking conspiracy and forced labor conspiracy, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of New York. The 35-year-old Mack will be arraigned Friday afternoon.

[quote]“As alleged in the indictment, Allison Mack recruited women to join what was purported to be a female mentorship group that was, in fact, created and led by Keith Raniere,” United States Attorney Richard P. Donoghue said in a statement. “The victims were then exploited, both sexually and for their labor, to the defendants’ benefit."

[quote]According to the U.S. Attorney’s Office, over the past two decades Raniere established a series of purported self-help programs under the name NXIVM, based in Albany, New York, with centers in the United States, Mexico, Canada and South America. Mack and other cult "masters" allegedly recruited slaves by telling them they were joining a "women-only organization that would empower them and eradicate purported weaknesses that the NXIVM curriculum taught were common in women."

[quote]“As this pyramid scheme continues to unravel, we ask anyone who might have been a victim to reach out to us with information that may further our investigation," FBI Assistant Director-in-Charge William F. Sweeney said in a statement.

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by Anonymousreply 188April 20, 2018 9:35 PM

[quote]sex trafficking, sex trafficking conspiracy and forced labor conspiracy

Anyone have a rough estimate of how much time she's looking at if convicted? Also, "forced labour" is just another word for "slavery", right? Yikes, that would not look good on anyone's resume. She's pretty much done, I think.

by Anonymousreply 189April 20, 2018 9:38 PM

She took control of the cult just last week and she's already been arrested. I guess it just wasn't meant to be. She was never a leading lady material, was she?

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by Anonymousreply 190April 20, 2018 9:53 PM

For those thinking this isn’t illegal: on its face, things look normal. However, if you lure, procure women or men, for the purpose of arraigned sexual relationships, unpaid labor, , etc., across state lines and or countries, even if they are doing so willingly, it can be considered human trafficking. ESPECIALLY if you’re doing it for someone else.

Be careful. This administration is turning over every fucking leaf and cranny. Thinking of ordering yourself a Russian bride of groom? Think again. If you can get fucked, this WH DOJ , as well as State AGs, will fuck you.

In no way am I promoting trafficking, btw. But lot’s of Americans are fucking idiots. They think that they’re accessing legal sites that are legit and gorgeous Russian chicks want to marry the 300 lbs. blubber ass.

Sure! Of course they do!!! They’re broke as fuck! So yes, it true love!

Anyhow, many of those sites are ran by traffickers. Just be aware.

by Anonymousreply 191April 20, 2018 10:34 PM

R189, she’s looking at some time. 5 years minimum. If they choose to make a hardcore example of her, maybe more.

I have very little sympathy for this chick. Introducing two of your friends who you think might hit it off is one thing, but this chick is a fucking idiot. She didi it repeatedly, and enough to get her some pretty serious charges.

Money doesn’t even need to be involved in this sort of shit. And the cult aspect has very little to do with the charges as well.

JFC, what s stupid, stupid woman. Unbelievable.

by Anonymousreply 192April 20, 2018 10:46 PM

r192 Thanks. I don't think I'll ever get over the fact that Chloe from Smallville is going down for sex trafficking and forced labour. Christ, that's some hardcore boss-level mafia shit right there.

by Anonymousreply 193April 20, 2018 11:02 PM

This is as creepy af.

by Anonymousreply 194April 20, 2018 11:14 PM

She went to see former Smallville co-star John Glover in "Saint Joan" on Tuesday night! She seems to be so lost to reality she didn't understand she was about to be arrested.

by Anonymousreply 195April 20, 2018 11:16 PM

r195 Hilarious! This just keeps getting more and more surreal with each new revelation.

by Anonymousreply 196April 20, 2018 11:20 PM

This story is finally making the rounds of major media.

Wow R188, I’ve read a lot but didn’t realize NVIXM was as far reaching into other countries. I bet they took advantage of many young women.

Mack is cute but a freak! That Rainere guy is a real psychopath.

I also read that the Seagrams heirs are PAYING his legal representation in the millions. These girls (??) have spent millions of dollars on Rainere. WTF??

by Anonymousreply 197April 21, 2018 1:07 AM

This story is making me crave some vintage "Lifetime Movies". I have to say, I find the leader strangely alluring. If he'd been in the market for this meat, he wouldn't even need a stun gun to tag me He's got that hot pastor thing going on that I dig.

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by Anonymousreply 198April 21, 2018 1:37 AM

Mack will "Patty Hearst" the whole situation. She'll be free before the New Year.

by Anonymousreply 199April 21, 2018 3:01 AM

Are the ones who gave millions to the cult going to get in trouble, too?

by Anonymousreply 200April 21, 2018 4:30 AM

After Allison Mack, will sex trafficker, Seagram’s heiress Clare Bronfman be indicted next?

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by Anonymousreply 201April 21, 2018 4:32 AM

She's going to sing. Under-aged members. Hollywood, it's coming. There will be Washington ties. A hotel, a Congressman, a plane crash and a down low madam is involved.

Also, while we're on the subject of L.A. weirdness, remember Elisa Lam? "The Last Bookstore", the alleged last business she visited (which received a great deal of media attention for being so) before she was found in a water tank has some incredibly weird synchronicity/psy-op planning aligned with her death. It's an L.A. bookstore which, apparently, uses a P.O. Box in Canada. The cemetery where Elisa Lam is allegedly buried comes up as the location point for Google maps and directions. Plus, there's all the weird mortality themes of the bookstore swirling around this story:

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by Anonymousreply 202April 21, 2018 5:12 AM

R202

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by Anonymousreply 203April 21, 2018 5:32 AM

R203

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by Anonymousreply 204April 21, 2018 6:01 AM

R204 Adam Schiff, U.S. Representative for California's 28th congressional district since 2013.

by Anonymousreply 205April 21, 2018 6:06 AM

Sam Jones who played Pete was sent to the Big House for selling Oxy and then did a porn video. Smallville is turning into Diff'rent Strokes.

by Anonymousreply 206April 21, 2018 6:18 AM

I wonder if billionaire Matthew Mellon's death on the way to re-hab in Cancun last week has anything to do with this?

by Anonymousreply 207April 21, 2018 7:07 AM

that is so odd r195.

did she go backstage to greet him? I wonder what he said.

She: Hi!! Great job!!!

Him: Thanks. I read you run a sex cult and are going to jail?

by Anonymousreply 208April 21, 2018 7:15 AM

Nancy Salzman of the Clinton Global Initiative has been arrested.

by Anonymousreply 209April 21, 2018 12:31 PM

r209 Source?

by Anonymousreply 210April 21, 2018 12:34 PM

R209 her house was raided and they say she was the co founder of this cult. Wtf?!?! I didn’t read that she was arrested yet, but she is confounder of this shit show.

by Anonymousreply 211April 21, 2018 12:41 PM

I wonder if this is what Hillary meant when she said “if this fucker wins we will all hang by nooses”

If Hillary won, Nancy would be protected.

by Anonymousreply 212April 21, 2018 12:44 PM

That Salzman is a co-founder has been known forever now. If she hasn't been arrested, it probably means she jumped ship before it turned into a freakshow. Remember, this was just a generic self-improvement thing at first. Again, I can't manage to find any news on her getting arrested. Just deplorables crowing on Twitter that this proves Clinton ran that pizza sex thing.

by Anonymousreply 213April 21, 2018 12:46 PM

If she hasn’t been arrested it means she’s being protected. She has friends in high places, unlike Allison Mack. Don’t be naive.

by Anonymousreply 214April 21, 2018 12:52 PM

You watch too much TV.

by Anonymousreply 215April 21, 2018 12:53 PM

Notice how news articles make no reference to her work for Clinton.. that is on purpose.

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by Anonymousreply 216April 21, 2018 12:54 PM

Not only raided, she got arrested!

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by Anonymousreply 217April 21, 2018 1:24 PM

Where does it say Salzman was arrested. Her home was raided though.

by Anonymousreply 218April 21, 2018 2:16 PM

Trippy story.

by Anonymousreply 219April 21, 2018 3:41 PM

I guess nobody learned the cult lesson from Jonestown. Is Jonestown taught in schools anymore?

by Anonymousreply 220April 21, 2018 3:48 PM

[quote]Appearing in federal court in Brooklyn on Friday on charges that she helped recruit women into the organization, the actor entered a plea of not guilty. The judge refused a request by her lawyers to release her without bail. A bail hearing will be held on Monday.

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by Anonymousreply 221April 21, 2018 6:21 PM

Why would "Jonestown be taught in schools"?

I am kind of hoping they are teaching math, reading and science, but not even counting on that....

by Anonymousreply 222April 21, 2018 6:24 PM

Comparative religion is the thing that should be taught and it should include both cults that made it (present-day major religions) and cults that didn't (Jonestown). Because no amount of math and science can prepare you for charismatic cult leaders later in adulthood, although critical thinking skills do tend to decrease the chances of that happening substantially.

by Anonymousreply 223April 21, 2018 6:31 PM

I've read in several articles she could get 15-life

by Anonymousreply 224April 21, 2018 6:35 PM

Won't she plead insanity?

by Anonymousreply 225April 21, 2018 6:52 PM

Can't wait for the American Crime Story version. If she's out by then, Allison could play herself.

by Anonymousreply 226April 21, 2018 7:02 PM

I seriously don't understand how this isn't a bigger story. There have been small salacious stories about this cult coming out over the past several years, but nothing took hold, despite involving celebrities (although mostly C-list) and very wealthy/powerful people. But even with these arrests there seems to be very little media or public interest.

by Anonymousreply 227April 21, 2018 7:27 PM

[quote]Nancy Salzman of the Clinton Global Initiative has been arrested.

And so it begins. When will Laura Sillsby be arrested? She was the woman the Clintons saved after she was caught trying to smuggle more than thirty non-orphaned children across the border after the Haiti earthquake.

by Anonymousreply 228April 21, 2018 7:35 PM

[quote]I seriously don't understand how this isn't a bigger story.

A lot of rich powerful people are involved in human trafficking. The Mainstream Media protects and enables them. We may see some surprising arrests in the months to come. Again, this is the work of Jeff Sessions and it is the direct result of Trump's victory.

by Anonymousreply 229April 21, 2018 7:37 PM

O noes, the Great Awakening loons have found the DL.

by Anonymousreply 230April 21, 2018 7:42 PM

R230, either the truth will come out or it won't.

Calling us loons won't protect your child molester friends.

by Anonymousreply 231April 21, 2018 7:47 PM

The Clinton derangement syndrome and Trump shills can fuck right off. Salzman was never an employee of the CGI. Sillsby was not "protected" by the Clintons--the US government explicitly refused to intervene in her case, the deal Bill Clinton brokered explicitly EXCLUDED her, and as a result she served jail time in Haiti. And the DOJ started this investigation 2 months after the NYT published an expose about the cult.

by Anonymousreply 232April 21, 2018 7:52 PM

Time capsule fun: it was Republican Senator Jim Risch who was advocating on behalf of Sillsby and the others who were arrested in Haiti for child trafficking. Which makes sense since they were representing a conservative fundie Idaho church.

Somehow these basic facts never get mentioned in the Clintons did it! fiction.

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by Anonymousreply 233April 21, 2018 8:02 PM

A DIPLOMATIC deal over the 10 American missionaries jailed in Haiti on child abduction charges may lead to the release this week of all except the group's leader, Laura Silsby, according to legal sources in Port-au-Prince.

The intervention of Bill Clinton, the former president, who is co-ordinating relief efforts in Haiti, may accelerate the resolution of an affair that has embarrassed the US government, dismayed relief agencies and angered many Haitians who believe their plight is being exploited by unscrupulous foreigners.

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by Anonymousreply 234April 21, 2018 8:18 PM

r231 I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks Donald Trump is on a moral crusade of any kind (and against child sex rings of all things) and what's more that he's succeeding (when he's failing at every other thing he tries to do) is a loon. It's so far from any kind of rational appraisal of all available evidence that there's no other conclusion. A good friend of mine has been sucked into this Great Awakening/Q nonsense and it's heartbreaking to see.

by Anonymousreply 235April 21, 2018 8:19 PM

You are wrong, as you will soon see, R235. Trump has been an outspoken opponent of human trafficking. How can you possibly assert that Trump (of all people!) has failed to make himself clear on this count?

by Anonymousreply 236April 21, 2018 8:24 PM

r236 The same Trump who openly boasted about grabbing women's genitalia and has had affairs with porn stars while his new wife was pregnant with his child? That one?

The main thing I wonder about is if the rumored Trump underaged hooker pee sex tape is real and is released, will the Great Awakening people be shocked and subsequently change their views or will they somehow go into denial about its veracity.

by Anonymousreply 237April 21, 2018 8:36 PM

Dear god, just ignore the trolls people.

by Anonymousreply 238April 21, 2018 8:37 PM

[quote]when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything

R237 and his ilk LOVE to take what he said out of context and leave out that whole "they let you do it" part from the beginning which completely changes what he was saying. Funny that. At least pretend to be honest when you're attacking. And he's right of course. If a man is rich and famous enough (or just famous enough) there is no shortage of women who will throw themselves at him no matter how old or ugly or otherwise repellent he is. It's all about the dollars. Was Hugh Hefner surrounded by women because of his good looks and winning personality? Fuck no.

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by Anonymousreply 239April 21, 2018 8:45 PM

One can only hope Scientology is next on the list. Not sex trafficking, but human traffickkng certainly. They move their "Sea Org" members to and from their facilities in different states and across countries as well. These folks, starting as early as 13, work 80+ hour weeks and don't get sufficient payment for basics such as toiletries and underwear. They are fed substandard meals with little nutritional value. They also forcibly imprison members for displeasing someone higher up the ladder (usually for little to no reason) The FBI was on the verge of raiding thieir base in Hemet, CA some years ago, but it was called off. They've been on LE's radar forever, but nothing has happened.

by Anonymousreply 240April 21, 2018 8:51 PM

r239 What's clear to me is that you and your ilk don't care about sexual immorality or rape, because you excuse it when it's Trump. And if the rumored sex tape did come out you'd no doubt excuse that, too. It seems to me that the only way you can rationalize your love of someone as clearly corrupt and immoral as Trump is by imagining that he's secretly going after people guilty of far worse than himself. Good luck with that x

by Anonymousreply 241April 21, 2018 8:54 PM

r238 You're right

by Anonymousreply 242April 21, 2018 9:00 PM

[quote]What's clear to me is that you and your ilk don't care about sexual immorality or rape, because you excuse it when it's Trump

R241 Oh honey. Oh cunt. It's not rape when the woman throws herself at a man and she wants that cock. Excuse me if I use the actual definition for terms such as rape as opposed to whatever definition you're going by today. Words matter. And you don't. Enjoy 2020 when Trump gets reelected thanks in part to your hysteria and bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 243April 21, 2018 9:37 PM

Hell, I'd vote for Trump in 2020 if he brought down Scientology as well.

by Anonymousreply 244April 22, 2018 1:45 AM

R241 enough. Stop being a hypocrite, and enough with your moral high ground. We all know the democrats (and Clinton’s) are no angels when it comes to personal sex scandals.

if you truly believe that a sex tape existed between trump and a child, who was always anonymous yet crying about death threats (all while being represented by Gloria Alfred’s daughter) - then I have a bridge to sell you. Let’s get real. If that story was true, it would have come out by now.

But yet... over a year later, all we have is an old tax return proving trump paid taxes in what....2010?

That’s the only proof out of all the allegations (including the Russian ones) that has actually come out! How ridiculous is that? Pretty crazy when you think about it. We have all these “redacted” documents dripping out trying to nail trump but they really tell us nothing. They do however, stir up people like yourself.

A lot of allegations, a lot of suspicion, a lot of drama - but zero proof.

by Anonymousreply 245April 22, 2018 3:25 AM

R244

At this point - I sure has hell would!

Trumps been going after sex trafficking since he’s been in office, but you won’t see it in the news. Media doesn’t want to give him credit for it. Instead they want to discuss Stormy Daniels, and the sketch that looks identical to her husband/bf.

by Anonymousreply 246April 22, 2018 3:27 AM

[quote]The same Trump who openly boasted about grabbing women's genitalia and has had affairs with porn stars while his new wife was pregnant with his child? That one?

Yes, that one. He is cracking down on corporations that engage in human trafficking via na executive order allowing the Feds to seize all assets of such corporations. Perhaps this is why the Podesta Group shuttered its offices so quickly. The MSM won't report on it until they absolutely have to.

by Anonymousreply 247April 22, 2018 7:16 AM

r202, it's a real bookstore with no mortality themes, but a lot of good books and a very knowledgable staff, which is surprising for LA since almost everyone in town is functionally illiterate. You can walk right in (after checking your bag) and buy stuff that you can then read. They are in downtown LA not a post office in Canada. You can even take the fucking train there. It's something of a tourist trap because: "whoa bookstores still exist‽ "

I think it's sad that the Russian trolls have successfully diverted the attention of the conspiracy theorists from all the actual conspiracies to these paranoid faerie tales.

by Anonymousreply 248April 22, 2018 4:04 PM

[quote]these paranoid faerie tales.

Like the one about that actress from Snmallville being involved in a cult that engages in human trafficking.

by Anonymousreply 249April 22, 2018 5:26 PM

Actually the Allison Mack story demonstrates why all these troll-pushed conspiracy theories are ridiculous. This cult has been the subject of increasingly salacious major media stories for years, as was more recently Mack's involvement. It wasn't hidden in some deep recesses--there were complaints to state authorities and then later the feds picked up on it after a New York Times expose last year.

This was not "uncovered" by the internet. It was old-fashioned journalism. And contrary to the new troll spin, the Trump admin did not lead the way, the NYT did.

by Anonymousreply 250April 22, 2018 5:37 PM

Sordid details are coming out. Read all about it!

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by Anonymousreply 251April 23, 2018 1:01 AM

Actually, I see now there's nothing new there. The article just links to the DailyFail article from 13th April. Lazy reporting.

by Anonymousreply 252April 23, 2018 1:05 AM

How did they manage to attract/coerce so many high profile women?

How did they fund their international operations? Were the women required to tithe in addition to being abused and passed around?

by Anonymousreply 253April 23, 2018 1:06 AM

Moooooooooooooooo!

by Anonymousreply 254April 23, 2018 1:08 AM

From r202:

“Also, while we're on the subject of L.A. weirdness, remember Elisa Lam? "The Last Bookstore", the alleged last business she visited (which received a great deal of media attention for being so) before she was found in a water tank has some incredibly weird synchronicity/psy-op planning aligned with her death. It's an L.A. bookstore which, apparently, uses a P.O. Box in Canada. “

What does this even mean??? Even the writing done by the tinhats is just horrible. Synchronization and PsyOps planning aligned with her death. Sure, OK.

You have to be a complete idiot to buy into this. There’s just no other explanation.

Trolls are making good money pushing this crap, so their motives are clear. But millennials and baby boomers alike? What is this? Why? Is the Jesus story not enough for the masses any longer?

Why do people INSIST on being lied to???

by Anonymousreply 255April 23, 2018 2:09 AM

Come one, come all.. to the greatest show on earth!

Incredibly juicy and twisted new details including Mack’s own “collateral”

by Anonymousreply 256April 24, 2018 5:31 AM

Link.

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by Anonymousreply 257April 24, 2018 5:32 AM

They tried to lure Richard branson!

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by Anonymousreply 258April 24, 2018 5:38 AM

Members of the Nxivm 'sex cult' led by Smallville actress Allison Mack reportedly held wild parties on billionaire Richard Branson's private Caribbean island at least twice.

According to The Sun, several members, including co-founder Nancy Salzman, visited Branson's Necker Island for two seminars in 2007 and 2010.

Former Nxivm publicist Frank Parlato told the newspaper: 'I was told the reason they staged the seminars on Necker was they hoped to recruit Branson into the organization.'

Parlato said that the businessman 'would have been the biggest score they ever had'.

One of the visits was reportedly paid for by billionaire heiress and Nxivm follower Sara Bronfman, whose late father, businessman Edgar Bronfman Sr, knew Branson, according to the Sun.

Sara's sister, Clare, is also one of Nxivm's longtime followers. Clare recently took over as leader for the 'sex cult' after actress Allison Mack and leader, Keith Raniere were arraigned on sex trafficking charges.

According to the Sun, Raniere did not visit the island during the alleged visits. Raniere was arrested on the sex trafficking charges in Mexico in March.

The Sun obtained photos that showed Branson, Sara and Mack together. The photos were reportedly taken on Necker Island in 2010. Parlato claims that Salzman 'said she did the teaching by day. But she said he [Branson] became increasingly restless and hosted really crazy parties that started earlier and earlier'.

Branson told the newspaper that he was not aware of any seminars. He claims he has never heard of Raniere and never met him.

A Virgin Management spokesman said that 'there is absolutely no association between Sir Richard and the Nxivm group or its leader'.

It seems unlikely that Raniere will be able to strike any deals with the US attorney's office, who successfully petitioned to have him held without bail in a letter to the court stating that the cult leader had sexual relationships with two minor females, aged 15 and 12, in the past.

The allegations against Raniere and Mack were outlined in a Complaint and Affidavit in Support of Arrest Warrant that was filed back on February 14.

Special Agent Michael Lever with the FBI had been investigating Raniere and speaking with former cult members, including two women known as Jane Doe 1 and Jane Doe 2.

Lever states that Raniere came up with the idea for Nxivm's sex slave program, known as DOS, during the summer of 2015.

A woman by the name of CC-1, who was revealed to be Mack in subsequent filings, was his first 'slave,' and provided 'collateral' which guaranteed she would remain faithful to him by providing Raniere with damning material. 'CC-1's email was titled "vow 3" and included an attached letter. The letter pledged CC-1's "full and complete life" to 14 RANIERE,' reads the complaint.

'In the letter, CC-1 used the terms "slave" and "master" to refer to herself and RANIERE. Moreover, the letter identified "collateral" to "cement" the vow made by CC-1.

'This collateral was described as: (1) a letter regarding CC-1's mother and father that would "destroy their character"; (2) a contract that transferred custody of any children birthed by CC-1 to RANIERE if CC-1 broke her commitment to RANIERE; (3) a contract that transferred ownership of CC-1's home if the commitment to RANIERE was broken; and (4) a letter addressed to social services alleging abuse to CC-1's nephews.'

It is not clear if any of the claims made in those letters were true. Soon, CC-1 was recruiting slaves of her own and filling out the pyramid that Raniere had hoped to create, selecting Jane Doe 1 as one of these women.

Allegations of Raniere's alarming and illegal sexual predilections are also outlined in a letter sent by US Attorney Richard P Donoghue to Judge Steven M Gold back in March.

by Anonymousreply 259April 24, 2018 5:41 AM

How did such an insignificant potato-faced actress (cute, but whose looks diminished rapidly with age) get to be such a procurer madam for the stars/diseased? I'm most interested in hearing her back story.

It does make sense that this guru got his hooks into an insignificant actress who probably couldn't parlay her TV career into anything further, so he manipulated her badly. She also didn't have the looks or seduction ability to really make herself relevant in Hollywood. The most wicked female misogynist? Stupid bitch is going to burn, regardless of her cooperation. She's doing time in the Fed for some of the most abhorrent crimes short of murder.

by Anonymousreply 260April 24, 2018 11:06 AM

Clyne, Mack, and India Oxenberg are planning to accept all the charges in order to free Rainere. Is that even legally possible?

I can’t wait for the movie/Netflix series to come out on this one.

by Anonymousreply 261April 24, 2018 3:10 PM

I would have thought if Clyne, Mack and Oxenberg admit the charges then that will strengthen the case against Raniere rather than help him?

by Anonymousreply 262April 24, 2018 3:12 PM

Frank Parlato, who has been covering Nxivm extensively on Art Voice, said that the female members of the cult have devised a plan they hope will save Raniere.

First, all female members are prepared to deny that they were ever forced or coerced into performing sex acts in an attempt to discredit the allegations made by the two former members whose grand jury testimony resulted in the indictments of Mack and Raniere.

If that does not work, member India Oxenberg, Mack and Mack's wife Nicki Clyne are prepared to testify that they alone were responsible for coercing members into having sex claims Parlato.

'Mack, Oxenberg and Clyne have made a pact to go to prison, saying privately they are ready to walk into prison tomorrow if Raniere could be free today,' reports Parlato.

Parlato tells DailyMail.com that Mack's arrest had been in the works ever since Raniere's extradition from Mexico to the United States back in March.

by Anonymousreply 263April 24, 2018 3:26 PM

Mack is straight up delusional. Now reports that she tried to recruit Emma Watson and Kelly Clarkson.

by Anonymousreply 264April 24, 2018 3:29 PM

No way the guy is gonna walk, I read reports that he had sex with women as young as 12! He's gonna be raped in jail.

by Anonymousreply 265April 24, 2018 3:33 PM

Fancy giving up all your money, years of your life, your self-respect and even your freedom for some second-rate cult leader who looks like a toad and undoubtedly has micromeat.

by Anonymousreply 266April 24, 2018 3:33 PM

His supposed genius-level IQ looks to be total bullshit, as well:

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by Anonymousreply 267April 24, 2018 3:43 PM

[Quote] I can’t wait for the movie/Netflix series to come out on this one.

Or a lifetime movie.

by Anonymousreply 268April 24, 2018 3:44 PM

R266, it’s astounding-

by Anonymousreply 269April 24, 2018 4:08 PM

These are truly some degraded beings.

by Anonymousreply 270April 24, 2018 7:50 PM

What exactly goes on in this cult?

by Anonymousreply 271April 24, 2018 7:50 PM

Where did they get their money from?

by Anonymousreply 272April 24, 2018 8:21 PM

So her bail hearing was yesterday, right? Is there any news on that?

by Anonymousreply 273April 24, 2018 8:36 PM

Nevermind, I found it.

[quote]Bail for “Smallville” actress Allison Mack was set at $5 million in a Tuesday hearing at Brooklyn Federal Court as she was released to serve home detention.

[quote]The expectation is that Mack is cutting a deal with prosecutors to provide information against Nxium founder Keith Raniere, who was arrested last month in Mexico and remains in federal custody. A bail hearing for Raniere is set for next week.

[quote]Her mother, Melinda Mack, was in court and put up her home in Los Alamitos, Calif. as collateral for the bail, in addition to property and a bank account owned by Allison Mack. The actress accused of helping run a secretive sex cult appeared in court in gray-green jail garb. She spoke softly in court and did not make eye contact with her mother during the bail hearing.

[quote]Mack was not handcuffed but she kept her hands clasped behind her back during the 15 minute hearing. She said few words during the hearing but nodded repeatedly.

[quote]She was released under home detention, to be served at her parents’ home in Los Alamitos. The conditions of her bail allow her to travel to Southern California and to the New York City area where her criminal attorneys are based. Mack’s father, opera singer Jonathan Mack, was not in court but is obligated to co-sign her bail collateral arrangement by May 4. The judge instructed Allison Mack not to associate with anyone connected to the Nxium cult-like organization that is the source of the sex trafficking charge she faces. .

[quote]Before the hearing, prosecutors and Mack’s attorneys huddled on an agreement to severely restrict Mack’s ability to access the Intenet and online communications. The side agreed to conditions that she would have access to a phone that would limit her to reviewing emails only from her lawyers.

Rich people.

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by Anonymousreply 274April 24, 2018 8:46 PM

Imagine bailing out your daughter with everything you own after reading online that she was basically a pimp who prostituted other women and punished them when they wouldn't obey. How the hell do they intend to crack that one open come dinner time?

And I swear if she gets time served for giving the prosecutors the dirt on Raniere, I will flip my shit. He can't possibly be the only one who ends up doing time for these horrific things!

by Anonymousreply 275April 24, 2018 9:13 PM

Christ!

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by Anonymousreply 276April 24, 2018 10:08 PM

wow so they have hundreds of "blackmail" pictures of the members? are there also videos?

You know those are gonna be admitted as evidence during trial. Looking forward to those!

by Anonymousreply 277April 24, 2018 10:16 PM

Latest unsealed indictment shows 2 counts of trafficking young uns. MSM doesn't cover this.

Ali you in danger gurl.

by Anonymousreply 278April 24, 2018 10:27 PM

Please stop saying MSM as it makes you sound deplorable. The big news outlets are going to check in once in a while, they can't possibly cover every minutia of this trial. Raniere and Mack are both relative nobodies (in the grand scheme of things), so this isn't really nationally important news.

by Anonymousreply 279April 24, 2018 10:31 PM

[quote]Mack's wife Nicki Clyne

Excuse me, what?

by Anonymousreply 280April 24, 2018 10:49 PM

Why didn't I think of this???

by Anonymousreply 281April 24, 2018 10:49 PM

[quote] How did such an insignificant potato-faced actress (cute, but whose looks diminished rapidly with age) get to be such a procurer madam for the stars/diseased? I'm most interested in hearing her back story.

People underestimate girls like her to be devious and evil. Harvey Weinstein? Now that guy looks devious, evil, and intimidating. Allison Mack? She looks innocent and harmless.

by Anonymousreply 282April 24, 2018 10:50 PM

I wonder if everyone from Smallville is now cursing Mack for permanently fucking up their legacy.

by Anonymousreply 283April 24, 2018 10:51 PM

Push the right buttons at the right moment and you can manipulate anyone into doing something incredibly stupid like joining a cult.

Sometimes all it takes is the death of a loved one where you grieve, feel sad and depressed and along comes some snake oil salesman who offers you a shoulder to cry on and a great solution to get rid of all this sadness and misery.

Or some desperate opportunist who wants to be more successful in his field and hopes to meet people who can help him to rise to the top.

by Anonymousreply 284April 24, 2018 10:56 PM

r283 What legacy? That show was shit. And I watched every single episode of it.

by Anonymousreply 285April 24, 2018 10:56 PM

r285 True, but for the people who appeared in it it may be a source of pride. Now it's going to be "that show with that cult freak".

by Anonymousreply 286April 24, 2018 11:02 PM

r286 Perhaps this will make some new people check the show out for the first time. In the immortal words of the recently departed Verne Troyer: "Resids, resids, resids!" Money before pride, baby.

by Anonymousreply 287April 24, 2018 11:07 PM

It also hurts because she played such a beloved character on the show.

I liked Smallville despite how stupid it could be, but I really don't know if I want to watch it again for a long time. This is about Cosby-level awful.

by Anonymousreply 288April 24, 2018 11:07 PM

R279 it seems like it's relevant to note that major media is not covering something specific to her unsealed indictment. She didn't just join a cult, smoke dope, have sex and burn incense. The fact that it is unsealed and has 2 counts on it, and the fact that there were minors involved. Yes the deplorable main stream could not report those details because, why? This makes them sound deplorable? Seriously I don't get it.

by Anonymousreply 289April 24, 2018 11:24 PM

[quote]Honestly, it fascinates me that cults are still around. If you think about it, society probably doesn't take them as seriously anymore, or may even think of the concept as outdated. This might be the best time for cults to form. I wonder if we'll be hearing even more about them a decade from now... especially since cults tend to form during times of great societal strife. We'll see.

I always recall in Catholic school, my religion class teacher constantly showing us films about the dangers of cults...

by Anonymousreply 290April 24, 2018 11:29 PM

SO...is she a lesbian?

by Anonymousreply 291April 24, 2018 11:54 PM

R291 The story would be even weirder if she weren’t.

by Anonymousreply 292April 24, 2018 11:58 PM

[quote]SO...is she a lesbian?

Doesn't it seem more likely that this is a green card thing?

STARBUCK! Bring me an airlock!

by Anonymousreply 293April 25, 2018 12:03 AM

Yeah it's probably just trying to get green cards for kids. Even NBC thinks so.

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by Anonymousreply 294April 25, 2018 12:51 AM

what do you mean green cards? she has kids? i'm so confused.

she's a lesbo? I thought she was the gf of the cult leader?

by Anonymousreply 295April 25, 2018 1:04 AM

She looks so anorexic in R294's link.

If she's so under Raniere's spell, it's only a matter of time before she breaks one of the conditions of her parole. Imagine being her parents having her around the house and being on pins and needles about her behavior and trying to police her activities.

by Anonymousreply 296April 25, 2018 1:51 AM

Does one of the photographers at R294 fall down (and there is laughing in the background?)

Yes, she does look very thin there. I think she is brainwashed, probably worried, too at this point.

by Anonymousreply 297April 25, 2018 2:06 AM

Do you think fellow cult members laughed when the photographer fell down? That would make it Manson family-like.

by Anonymousreply 298April 25, 2018 2:45 AM

What's her wife Nikki look like?

by Anonymousreply 299April 25, 2018 2:56 AM

Dear gods, she looks totally out of it in that video! Like she's on another planet. And who the hell is paying for these lawyers, anyway?

by Anonymousreply 300April 25, 2018 3:04 AM

OMG. I was getting off the 3 train at Borough Hall today and was wondering what all the commotion and cameras were about. I know that's not interesting to anyone else but me, but I'm glad the mystery is solved.

by Anonymousreply 301April 25, 2018 3:09 AM

r301 Ha! I was actually just wondering what those people on that bus in the background must have thought about this circus. The world seems so small sometimes.

by Anonymousreply 302April 25, 2018 3:23 AM

[quote] What's her wife Nikki look like?

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by Anonymousreply 303April 25, 2018 3:52 AM

Just add immigration scam to the charges. Why not at this point; you can't possibly top slavery.

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by Anonymousreply 304April 25, 2018 3:55 AM

[quote]It does make sense that this guru got his hooks into an insignificant actress who probably couldn't parlay her TV career into anything further, so he manipulated her badly.

She's got average, girl next door looks. So do Oxenberg, Clyne and Emma Watson (not a cult member, but a target). He obviously has certain specific tastes. You don't see any slaves who look like strippers or Kardashian trash. These are wholesome (looking) "good" girls with deep insecurities he could manipulate and control.

by Anonymousreply 305April 25, 2018 12:43 PM

r305 The fact that he liked them extra skinny (almost to the point of anorexia) makes me think Raniere's real tastes lie somewhere else entirely but he didn't want to risk going full prepubescent. Or perhaps he has a thing for frailty because he's so unimposing phisically so he needs his women extra weak. Whatever the case, he is a monumental creep.

by Anonymousreply 306April 25, 2018 12:50 PM

R275 Her parents knew she was part of the cult and didn't want her to leave it.

R276 Emma's hair looks terrible in the photo.

by Anonymousreply 307April 25, 2018 2:50 PM

[quote]Her parents knew she was part of the cult and didn't want her to leave it.

Okay, that's insane. Will this saga ever stop getting more and more surreal?

[quote]Emma's hair looks terrible in the photo.

Yeah, I hated that "idiot fringe" period of hers. Why not just go to a hair stylist when you have that much money? Because she clearly cut her own bangs which you're never supposed to do, whether rich or poor.

by Anonymousreply 308April 25, 2018 2:59 PM

Her hero is DL "icon" Lena Dunham! That's why she's fucked up! That's what she said in a video.

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by Anonymousreply 309April 25, 2018 3:25 PM

I believe her mom knew. AM posted pictures very recently with her and her mom looking close. How could the mother not know? I also think she looks off in the photos of them arriving to court.

by Anonymousreply 310April 25, 2018 4:23 PM

what about the money? Did she have any control of the money? since she was running it?

by Anonymousreply 311April 25, 2018 4:44 PM

[quote]Allison Mack raves...

She's certainly raving.

by Anonymousreply 312April 25, 2018 5:03 PM

I think Allison Mack looks better now than she did on Smallville

by Anonymousreply 313April 25, 2018 5:22 PM

r313 You do know she's just a starved skeleton under that denim jacket, right? I mean, I get some people are into that but she doesn't look healthy to me at all.

by Anonymousreply 314April 25, 2018 5:26 PM

If the mom knew all along and supported it, then the mom was also in doc trin ated somewhere along the line. Could be a web of $cieno-like stuff going on here.

by Anonymousreply 315April 25, 2018 5:53 PM

r314 types fat

by Anonymousreply 316April 25, 2018 10:01 PM

r316 types creepy

by Anonymousreply 317April 25, 2018 10:02 PM

Girls, girls, you're both fat and creepy!

by Anonymousreply 318April 25, 2018 10:08 PM

But neither of them is as annoying as you are with your "girls" crap.

by Anonymousreply 319April 25, 2018 10:36 PM

Fuck off r319

by Anonymousreply 320April 25, 2018 11:28 PM

This woman is just nuts. She’s obviously quite damaged, and that , most likely, is due to her childhood.

Mentally well, emotionally even tempered, well adjusted people with healthy self esteem don’t do this sort of shit. They don’t make pledges, sign contracts of property transfers, or giving away their first born, or admit to abuse of their nephews, in order to cement their bond with another human being. It’s (obviously), not a normal, healthy, attachment

My best guess is that Mack was fucked over hard by her parents when she was a child. Not sure in what manner. A normal response to this over the top coercion is resistance.

Her back story is probably just as bad as her present one, or worse.

by Anonymousreply 321April 26, 2018 1:27 AM

I love the tiny ferry they go on. It's the best thing about Vancouver. (Vancouver isn't laid-back, though. It is uptight, materialistic, and humorless). The hat store is good, too.

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by Anonymousreply 322April 26, 2018 2:51 AM

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by Anonymousreply 323April 26, 2018 3:11 AM

[bold]TV Series in the Works Based on Alleged Sex Trafficking Cult Nxivm[/bold]

[quote]A TV series based on Keith Raniere's alleged cult Nxivm is in the works. Annapurna Television has optioned the rights to reporter Barry Meier's 2017 New York Times exposé "Inside a Secretive Group Where Women Are Branded" that explores the group fronted by Raniere.

[quote]A writer for the untitled project has not yet been determined, but Annapurna Television's hope is to adapt the investigative report as a one-hour fictionalized scripted series inspired by actual events. A network is not yet attached.

[quote]Actress Shannon Woodward (Westworld) is attached to executive produce the drama alongside Annapurna's Megan Ellison, Sue Naegle and Susan Goldberg.

If she gets away with community service for striking a deal, perhaps Allison could work as a consultant on the show? Or maybe even as the lead, finally.

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by Anonymousreply 324April 26, 2018 1:19 PM

I'm available!

by Anonymousreply 325April 26, 2018 1:22 PM

Wait - they can't write the TV series yet. Why so soon? We haven't even heard the WHOLE story yet, including the back story that R321 is right about. Are they trying to get ahead of the real story? I think there has to be some ugly shitola going way up to some ugly rich people. The Seagram sisters entire inheritance going into this thing is a humongous red flag flapping in the wind.

by Anonymousreply 326April 26, 2018 1:57 PM

R324 That didn't take them long.

by Anonymousreply 327April 27, 2018 12:27 PM

For those of us staying in and doing our laundry, there’s a 20/20 special tonight on NXIVM/Mack. I will be tuning in.

by Anonymousreply 328April 27, 2018 3:19 PM

[bold]404. ENTERTAINMENT LAWYER 04/26 **#7** Apparently this former A list mostly television actor from a hit almost network show turned A- list actor on a fairly hit network show had to pay his wife so much money in their divorce because she knew about his involvement in a group that is making a lot of noise right now. Tom Welling ("Smallville"/The WB) ("Lucifer"/FOX)/Jamie White (Kristin Kreuk was in attendance of wedding)[/bold]

by Anonymousreply 329April 27, 2018 3:38 PM

Raniere needs to burn. And he will.

These chicks are just nuts. There is no way I’d get involved with a sociopath like Raniere. I would have told him to fuck off.

Let me point out, however, that I’ve met women with the self esteem of a cockroach. They love men like Raniere, in the sense that they have no direction or goals in life, and find fulfillment by being told what to do, by their partners.

I also want to point out that women like this are usually what I call inverted narcissists. They constantly cry victim, and blame everything on everyone else. They are not genuinely kind, or loving people, however. They’re only obedient and loving to their abuser, and absolutely trash everyone and everything else, unless they can get something out of them.

Don’t feel too sorry for Mack. Yes, I do believe she’s damaged, but make NO mistake. At this time in her life, she is just as damaged and fucked up as Raniere, and she is just as dangerous. I’m standing by my assessment too.

Fuck this cunt. She needs to do some hard time. She is a sociopath.

by Anonymousreply 330April 27, 2018 3:48 PM

I don't think any of us do feel sorry for Mack, r330, like we don't feel bad for any of the Manson cunts.

by Anonymousreply 331April 27, 2018 4:33 PM

The only cult I’m interested in is Blue Oyster.

by Anonymousreply 332April 27, 2018 4:43 PM

Some people get sucked into something that appears noble and helpful on the surface. They learn self empowering techniques that are somewhat valid. Once they are convinced this is a good and helpful group and they feel like they are improving their lives in some way, they are too blind to see what comes next. Or, if they do see the deeper shit, they are in too deep and they'd be 'disappeared' or suicided (oh she was so depressed... no shit she was depressed), if they ever tried to leave. Another possibility is they are making so much money and getting so much access to something valuable (money, roles, connections, network, expensive gifts). Yet another possibility is they were born into this crappy network and haven't known anything else.

by Anonymousreply 333April 27, 2018 6:25 PM

Another twist:

State shuts down Miami school linked to Rainere

“In 2015, Raquel Perera, wife of 17-time Latin Grammy winner Alejandro Sanz, debuted a school called the Rainbow Cultural Garden in posh midtown Miami.

Speaking to Univision, Perera bragged that by immersing toddlers in as many as seven languages at once, the school would revolutionize teaching.

Univision credited a New York guru named Keith Raniere with developing the unusual plan.”

by Anonymousreply 334April 27, 2018 6:43 PM

^ apparently the school wasn’t even properly licensed. Wtf? How was it operating? Was someone bribed? This shit gets crazier.

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by Anonymousreply 335April 27, 2018 6:46 PM

r329 Sooo... are we thinking Tom Welling was one of the clients with whom those women had sex? He doesn't really strike me as the lecherous type but who the hell knows with rich people anymore. He'd been with that ex for so long there's no way he didn't have something on the side.

by Anonymousreply 336April 27, 2018 7:16 PM

R335 W.T.FFFFFF !!!!!!!! That has traffic jam written all over it. Sheee-it.

by Anonymousreply 337April 27, 2018 7:29 PM

In the video at R323, at 7:13 one question is "How do manage to stay out of the negative spotlight?"

by Anonymousreply 338April 27, 2018 7:47 PM

I am still confused how a supposed cult about empowerment turns its members into willing sex slaves that let themselves get branded like cattle? How can anyone consider it empowerment?

by Anonymousreply 339April 27, 2018 7:56 PM

r339 It probably happened because they needed higher and higher levels (that also got more and more esoteric) for their members to attain. The highest level were women willing to do absolutely anything for their leader, including prostitution, corporal punishment, and branding.

Another story goes that it was a totally separate clique within the cult that did this shit. I guess we'll find out the truth eventually.

by Anonymousreply 340April 27, 2018 8:04 PM

R336, look at the date of that "Blind Item". Conveniently made up to take advantage of the scandal. You'd think if that lawyer had any knowledge, the BI would have been about Mack and the cult. That would have been a scoop. Instead, you get the random fake bullshit that tries to capitalize on the scandal.

by Anonymousreply 341April 27, 2018 8:06 PM

R339, It's "third-wave feminism," where prostitution and pole-dancing are considered empowering, too. It really of course means you are powerless and brainwashed to that...

Don't you know, language means nothing anymore.

by Anonymousreply 342April 27, 2018 8:08 PM

r341 I know, I know, I fall for these blinds every single time even though I understand it's all made up. But damn, is this one ever so juicy.

by Anonymousreply 343April 27, 2018 8:09 PM

typo...

"means you are powerless and brainwashed to SAY that..."

by Anonymousreply 344April 27, 2018 8:09 PM

[quote]branded like cattle? How can anyone consider it empowerment?

It's about belonging to a collective that makes you bigger than an individual. Anyone branded with a degree from Harvard or Yale will tell you how that works (repeatedly, whether you care or not. )

by Anonymousreply 345April 27, 2018 8:12 PM

c'mon listen to the clip at R323 at 7:13 where she says no one knows about the bad things she does

by Anonymousreply 346April 27, 2018 8:14 PM

Read the Jonestown thread, it's the same thing, the inner circle weren't branded but they did the same type of stuff. It seems every cults comes down to pussy and money.

by Anonymousreply 347April 27, 2018 8:28 PM

Re R335 article, this one looks like kids are schooled from 3 months on. Big money involved in that, too.

by Anonymousreply 348April 27, 2018 8:44 PM

sex and money and control

by Anonymousreply 349April 27, 2018 9:34 PM

India Oxenberg ‘brainwashed’ by sex cult, family says

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by Anonymousreply 350April 28, 2018 12:01 PM

How Allison Mack tried to lure me into an alleged sex cult

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by Anonymousreply 351April 28, 2018 12:04 PM

[quote]Shoaib, now 47, suspects Mack lost interest when she found out how old she was.

Funny and probably true.

[quote]Still, one email Mack sent after their final dinner in 2013 sticks out to Shoaib: “Thank you for last night! I had a lovely time with you and [your friend]. You are both delicious women,” Mack wrote.

Eugh, I bet she got off on the mere prospect of making them slaves for that repulsive little man. So creepy.

[quote]Each time, Mack appeared more “fragile and gaunt” with dark circles under her eyes, Shoaib said. “She was definitely physically suffering,” Shoaib said. “There’s no question she was sleep deprived.”

Just the way r313 likes them.

by Anonymousreply 352April 28, 2018 12:13 PM

This Vanity Fair article highlights some of the correspondence Mack sent to not only other female celebs, but journalists, etc... Mack was fishing for whatever she could get.

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by Anonymousreply 353April 28, 2018 4:51 PM

The desperation to recruit women, as described in R351's article is notable. If I had to guess I'd say the Raniere freak was threatening her to get her recruiting numbers up. She targeted actresses and celebs who could be manipulated and extorted. Follow the money.

by Anonymousreply 354April 28, 2018 5:03 PM

They say her name, Alison Mack in the headlines because she was on a TV, show, but don't you think she was pushed to do all of this by the guy in charge of the cult? The same way sales people are pushed by their manager to get their quotas of sales for the week?

by Anonymousreply 355April 28, 2018 5:20 PM

Emma Watson had to flee Harvey Weinstein, AND this crazy cult! (And probably crazy Harry Potter fans, too)

by Anonymousreply 356April 28, 2018 5:21 PM

[quote]As Vanity Fair wrote on Tuesday, Mack tweeted to Watson in early 2016 to try to recruit her to her group, saying that she thought Watson would be interested in “a unique human development & women’s movement.” She never replied.

Ha! smart.

by Anonymousreply 357April 28, 2018 5:23 PM

r355 That analogy seems wonky to me. Anyone who is dissatisfied with their job can quit at any time. Same with cults.

by Anonymousreply 358April 28, 2018 5:23 PM

[quote]That analogy seems wonky to me. Anyone who is dissatisfied with their job can quit at any time. Same with cults.That analogy seems wonky to me. Anyone who is dissatisfied with their job can quit at any time. Same with cults.

No, it is exactly that kind of job that people cannot quit. If they are working there, they have limited options.

Cult people are brainwashed - and possibly coerced into doing things.

Neither case is completely "free"

by Anonymousreply 359April 28, 2018 5:25 PM

[quote]don't you think she was pushed to do all of this by the guy in charge of the cult? The same way sales people are pushed by their manager to get their quotas of sales for the week?

The same way outspoken liberal women had to hide their support for Hillary and ended up voting for Trump because their big striog husbands and bosses told them to?

(That's Hillary's take on it, anyway. )

by Anonymousreply 360April 28, 2018 5:26 PM

[quote]The same way outspoken liberal women had to hide their support for Hillary and ended up voting for Trump because their big striog husbands and bosses told them to?

No. This makes no sense.

by Anonymousreply 361April 28, 2018 5:29 PM

r359 I'm sorry but from a legal standpoint, the relationship of a salesperson towards his boss IS free as he signed the contract. Other, more esoteric types of freedom, are a matter of your perception and don't really hold up in court.

Allison is being charged with forced labour conspiracy. So slavery, basically. Let's not water down the seriousness of those crimes by saying the average Joe has it just as bad on a daily basis. Some perspective, please.

by Anonymousreply 362April 28, 2018 5:32 PM

I know it makes no sense, R361. But Hillary herself now claims that women were forced to conceal their support for her (!) and that men pressured women into voting for Trump, and the little ladies obeyed.

by Anonymousreply 363April 28, 2018 5:33 PM

If there were women who were pressured by their husbands to vote for Trump, they were not the type that would vote for Hillary, and probably not the Democratic Party. So Hillary is wrong there. She may have lost liberal women votes to Bernie supporters who were so fired up for Bernie they did not vote at all or voted Green.

by Anonymousreply 364April 28, 2018 5:36 PM

R362, from a real-life standpoint, there are a lot of people doing things they hate at jobs they hate to survive, and cannot quit. Not free.

by Anonymousreply 365April 28, 2018 5:38 PM

R365, indeed, especially if the one at the top has a ton of dirt on you (that he himself got you to do, on camera).

by Anonymousreply 366April 28, 2018 6:09 PM

The Indian woman who she tried to recruit may be older than Mack, but she’s WAY hotter, and looks like she actually eats on a regular basis.

by Anonymousreply 367April 29, 2018 2:10 AM

R336 I've been following articles & posts about Nxivm since 2006 and have never once seen Tom Welling's name mentioned in connection with it. Kristin Kreuk's boyfriend Mark Hildreth was a member though.

If Welling had been involved, the cult would have tried to use him as a lure - and it would have worked because he had a lot more fans than Allison Mack did. But I doubt Keith Raniere wanted hunky guys around, as they would diminish his own appeal. All the guys that seem to have been drawn to Nxivm seem to have been gay or milquetoast.

by Anonymousreply 368April 29, 2018 4:01 AM

These women allowed themselves to be branded with a cauterizing laser. Each brand took about 20-30 minutes to complete, without anesthetic. Other member held down the women while an actual MD, who was also a woman, burned the initials of Keith Raniere (KR), into their flesh.

This guy must’ve had a HUGE cock, and must have been one helluva fuck.

by Anonymousreply 369April 29, 2018 4:15 AM

^How do you know there was no anesthetic?

by Anonymousreply 370April 29, 2018 12:15 PM

What an ugly dork that Raniere is? Shouldn't cult leaders be charismatic and good looking at least? I'd be way too distracted by his 80's hairstyle to listen to any of his inane psychobabble. Can't imagine how tough it had to be to recruit for him. This shit isn't an easy sell. I'll bet Mack had to reach out to thousands of women just to get a few desperate, insecure, mentally unstable fish to bite. How exhausting.

by Anonymousreply 371April 29, 2018 1:08 PM

It was revealed in interviews, R370.

You can tell from the above links and Mack's emails and messages that she's talking in an "out of body" way. Simply mirroring people, vacant, fake.

The first part of Mack's "collateral" said something like if she strayed from Rainere, it would be revealed something about her parents that would destroy them. So, I wonder if that speaks to her childhood and how she got to be so sucked into this cult.

by Anonymousreply 372April 29, 2018 4:27 PM

I love you, R342!

by Anonymousreply 373April 29, 2018 4:39 PM

[Quote] These women allowed themselves to be branded with a cauterizing laser. Each brand took about 20-30 minutes to complete, without anesthetic.

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by Anonymousreply 374April 29, 2018 4:45 PM

R372, that sound just like $cieno, but without the offer of movie & TV roles.

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by Anonymousreply 375April 29, 2018 4:53 PM

All con tricks prey on either vanity or greed. Raniere is clearly neither attractive or particularly intelligent, and I'll bet he has tinymeat too. He's obviously just good at preying on weak women's vanity.

by Anonymousreply 376April 29, 2018 4:56 PM

Lol, r374. Right?

These are some WHACKED OUT women! And some of these women have MONEY. Lots and lots of money. Pam Cafritz was his main chick for over 30 years, and gave him millions. She died of cancer.

Below is a Wordpress site that surely most of you have seen. It’s kinda like the equivalent of Tony Ortega’s “Bunker” site, reporting on the clams.

This Frank person goes way back. He has been on this for many years.

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by Anonymousreply 377April 29, 2018 4:57 PM

Idiots. These trust fund babies need to have their funds stripped away.

by Anonymousreply 378April 29, 2018 5:11 PM

[quote]These trust fund babies need to have their funds stripped away.

Exactly my thought as well re. those two nit wit Seagrum sisters. Why doesn't daddy just turn off the faucet and make them beg him for food money.

by Anonymousreply 379April 29, 2018 5:33 PM

I love you, too, R373!

by Anonymousreply 380April 29, 2018 6:09 PM

Weren't there rumors that Lindsay Lohan has been tatted as proof she's owned by the Russian mob and is one of their working girls.

by Anonymousreply 381April 29, 2018 7:47 PM

Linds got lucky, I imagine the Russian Mob is more caring and maternal than Dina.

by Anonymousreply 382April 29, 2018 7:49 PM

She said they were delicious women. Are they eating them, too?

by Anonymousreply 383April 29, 2018 8:45 PM

At this point it wouldn't surprise me R383

by Anonymousreply 384April 30, 2018 3:15 PM

From what I’ve read, the whole Bronfman clan is corrupt. Those sisters are ugly.

by Anonymousreply 385April 30, 2018 3:50 PM

Yeah r385 they made their fortune on liquor so they have no problem with corrupting people. What assholes, I'm sure their bootlegger ancestors would be furious to know this.

by Anonymousreply 386April 30, 2018 4:06 PM

If Muriel asked us to brand "DL" on our thighs, I'd submit.

by Anonymousreply 387April 30, 2018 7:15 PM

R387 That's a horrifying visual.

by Anonymousreply 388May 1, 2018 3:51 PM

I thought the 20/20 episode was a bore-fest. Elizabeth Vargas kept pushing her concept that Raniere was unattractive so how could he have controlled these women, which suggests she would have been a strong candidate for the cult.

by Anonymousreply 389May 1, 2018 5:04 PM

R389 I just don't agree with this. Raniere has the intense attractiveness of a sociopath, that very present sort of engagement. I think he's very good looking and has magnetism.

by Anonymousreply 390May 1, 2018 5:17 PM

Yes, I think women would have found him attractive and lonely ones would have been pulled in by his bs

by Anonymousreply 391May 1, 2018 5:22 PM

Was L Ron Hubbard attractive? Was Miss Cabbage attractive? It has very little to do with outer appearances and always starts with "we can help you become a more successful and happy person!"

by Anonymousreply 392May 1, 2018 7:48 PM

In general, yes, R392, but this group is using actresses and videos, and he makes himself look presentable

by Anonymousreply 393May 1, 2018 7:51 PM

Vancouver actress Kristin Kreuk denies she helped sex cult guru Keith Raniere recruit women

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by Anonymousreply 394May 1, 2018 9:26 PM

does that mean Kristin kreuk fucked the ugly cult leader too? gross.

by Anonymousreply 395May 1, 2018 9:36 PM

Actually, Kristin's boyfriend Mark Hildreth got her into it. When they broke up, she left. I think there's more to this than meets the eye because it seems hard to believe that Raniere would have let her go so easily.

by Anonymousreply 396May 1, 2018 10:09 PM

Technically accurate denial: "I didn't help Keith recruit women"

"Because it's not called recruiting, it's called helping people feel good about themselves while helping them part with their money and dignity"

KK got the hell away it seems. Maybe her dad is a lawyer in the Holmes law firm (a la Katie's dad)

by Anonymousreply 397May 1, 2018 10:19 PM

[quote]All the guys that seem to have been drawn to Nxivm seem to have been gay or milquetoast

Um, which gay guys were drawn to Nxivm?

by Anonymousreply 398May 2, 2018 8:10 PM

R389, the 20/20 episode was terrible!! First of all, it was just a poorly edited repeat of their story that aired in December. Nothing new. Just images of Mack walking to court. What a waste.

by Anonymousreply 399May 3, 2018 1:10 AM

R398 well, this dude for one:

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by Anonymousreply 400May 3, 2018 2:16 AM

According to the Frank Report, Kristanna Loken had Raniere's baby a couple of years ago.

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by Anonymousreply 401May 4, 2018 9:38 AM

Allison is noted on line 246.

Lots of the lines say Multiple, so you don't know how many unless you look at the reference link.

Who knows what's going on?

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by Anonymousreply 402May 4, 2018 5:32 PM

Another sad, in this case downright pathetic, fate of a child actor. I'm starting to think it's downright unethical to even watch anything with kids in it.

by Anonymousreply 403May 4, 2018 7:45 PM

[quote]His response to “What I do” which is “Helping you gorgeous people wake up and see yourselves” sounds like he has in mind teaching from the cultic vault of bullshit.[/quote]

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by Anonymousreply 404May 4, 2018 7:56 PM

The ex girlfriend says this is literally the tip of the iceberg.

Many more defendants coming up. Stay tuned for an eye opener.

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by Anonymousreply 405May 4, 2018 9:38 PM

Kristanna Loken? So, that was a cult designed to attract long-forgotten Z-listers?

by Anonymousreply 406May 4, 2018 10:57 PM

In OP's pic Mack looks a bit like the actress Katie Walder, who was on Gilmore Girls.

by Anonymousreply 407May 4, 2018 11:03 PM

So now we wait until October 1st.

She looks positively radiant, the bitch. Must have cut a big fat deal with the prosecutors.

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by Anonymousreply 408May 5, 2018 1:16 AM

[329] 404. ENTERTAINMENT LAWYER 04/26 **#7** Apparently this former A list mostly television actor from a hit almost network show turned A- list actor on a fairly hit network show had to pay his wife so much money in their divorce because she knew about his involvement in a group that is making a lot of noise right now. Tom Welling ("Smallville"/The WB) ("Lucifer"/FOX)/Jamie White (Kristin Kreuk was in attendance of wedding)

Anyone have more info on the blind [329] posted about Tom Welling? The Variety article says multiple people confirmed that Mack tried to recruit her co-workers and friends. Did she finally get Welling? Maybe he joined that group they had for the men. Welling's female followers would probably have been more to the cult leader's liking than the type of females Allison Mack and her Chloe character would attract.

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by Anonymousreply 409May 5, 2018 5:25 AM

The BI is bullshit. They wait until after the scandal breaks and then they make up a BI about Welling. This story had been in the mainstream for at least six months and this is the best they can do?

by Anonymousreply 410May 5, 2018 6:18 AM

The real scandal has not yet broken open, R410. You'll have to wait until October. Start popping the popcorn now.

by Anonymousreply 411May 5, 2018 6:55 PM

r408 is she wearing stirrup pants? Ugh, guilty!

by Anonymousreply 412May 5, 2018 7:02 PM

r411, yeah, I can hardly wait.

by Anonymousreply 413May 5, 2018 7:36 PM

First the Health Department refuses to take action against a NXIVM doctor because, as they said, what he did -- exposing people to gore and rape videos to test their reactions -- was not a violation of medical conduct. After the story breaks in the media, however, the HD suddenly decides that yes, it was a violation.

NXIUM would have lasted far less if police and other government agencies led the story, instead of just following the media's lead.

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by Anonymousreply 414May 5, 2018 9:32 PM

r408, maybe stirrup pants are part of the cult uniform-? You know, a test of loyalty.

by Anonymousreply 415May 5, 2018 9:37 PM

R414, that doc got access to snuff films? Or were they actors? That article does not even explain. There is something very sick going on with this cult. Also, why did she sit through those films? She didn't get up and walk out and dump the doc. What did he have on her? Brainwashing? WTF is the story here.

by Anonymousreply 416May 5, 2018 10:15 PM

Raniere was attractive as a younger man. He wasn’t at all hideous, or grotesque. I myself, would’ve fucked him. And so would plenty of other straight women.

The women who were drawn into the cult, are highly codependent people. People pleasers, if you will.

I’m always willing to go out of my way to help someone who really needs it. I’ve done so numerous times. But once you start going for my wallet, I draw the line. Yes, I’ve paid people’s rents for a month when they were down and out, I’ve gotten people groceries, and I’ve driven people to job interviews. I’m fine with all of that if I can do it. But no way am I writing someone checks systematically, and allowing them to tell me what to do. There’s a big difference between being generous, kind, and paying it forward, as opposed to financing some loser’s lifestyle. People need to have boundaries.

I would wholeheartedly like to see Mack get a minimum of 5 years for this. Her mistake here wasn’t a one off. She didn’t have some drug induced breakdown, or even a nervous breakdown. I’ve seen those close up, and they’re messy as fuck, but not malicious. The people who go through stuff like that primarily hurt themselves.

Mack willingly and repeatedly went out and sought out women, in order to physically harm them. The women were under food deprivation, which I don’t believe was done because Raniere wanted to fuck only skinny chicks. He did that because it kept women in a haze from their food deprivation. Allison coerced them into sexual situations that weren’t necessarily voluntary, and she and other subjected the women to physical and verbal abuse.

She assisted actively in holding women against their will, by restricting their movements and communications with the outside world.

These are all pretty fucked up behaviors. I understand that she was being subjected to the same things. I also understand that she was brainwashed. However, she needs to do a minimum of 5 years in prison, or house arrest. The part that I cannot get over is that she actively sought out minors to be involved in this bullshit.

Allison Mack is a danger to herself, and others. She needs extensive deprogramming, and therapy. She should not be allowed to walk around as if though everything is OK. Everything is not OK, and she needs to be under strict, monitored supervision.

by Anonymousreply 417May 5, 2018 10:20 PM

Yeah, why/how did this doc have access to snuff films? And how was any of that 'horror testing' supposed to further the cult's goals?

One of Raniere's ex's said that the charges thus filed are only the tip of the iceberg; maybe this will be explained as more people are indicted.

by Anonymousreply 418May 5, 2018 10:21 PM

r417, Standards, get some:

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by Anonymousreply 419May 5, 2018 10:24 PM

The Frank Report online has lots of details. This cult is creepier than Scientology. And those Bronfman heirs financed the group so they really did not have to hustle for money

by Anonymousreply 420May 5, 2018 10:28 PM

R419, there are images out there where Raniere isn’t wearing glasses, and looks attractive. I have standards, and I’ve managed to get through life without joining a cult, and being held captive. I think I’m doing OK, so far.

This guy was probably extremely charming. He had to be, or none of this would’ve worked. Charm trumps looks, always.

by Anonymousreply 421May 5, 2018 10:41 PM

Also, let me point out that while I believe many more claims of other criminal behavior regarding Raniere will surface, Raniere is already at the mark where he’s spending the next 15 years in prison.

My guess is that he’s never getting out. He’s done.

by Anonymousreply 422May 5, 2018 10:44 PM

Yeah, super charming.....

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by Anonymousreply 423May 5, 2018 10:50 PM

R423, they all use it. Motivational speakers do it, salespeople use it, etc.

I’m not attempting to provoke an argument with you. I think that we can agree that he had something going on, in order to persuade so many women to submit to his rules and regulations.

by Anonymousreply 424May 5, 2018 10:54 PM

Are people born w charm or can it be learned?

by Anonymousreply 425May 6, 2018 1:33 AM

[quote]Yeah, why/how did this doc have access to snuff films? And how was any of that 'horror testing' supposed to further the cult's goals?

Probably, the films facilitated NXIVM's plans to break people psychologically. That is how this cult's modus operandi has been described - break people up, let them feel hopeless and without an emotional bedrock, and then re-build them back, teaching them that with NXIVM they will be unstoppable.

by Anonymousreply 426May 6, 2018 3:58 AM

It's not an unreasonable question: Where are these "snuff" films.

by Anonymousreply 427May 6, 2018 4:13 AM

Aside from situations where someone was already filming an event and things went suddenly sideways, like a big protest march during which a cop kills a protestor, for what purpose, other than psychological torture, would these films be made? Like, the dismemberment one? Why would anyone keep a video record of such crimes unless the point wasn't to commit the crimes, but to have the video to freak people out with?

by Anonymousreply 428May 6, 2018 4:42 AM

She should get more than five years and I hope she never breeds. People like her and those ugly Seagrams sisters don't learn. I talked in the Jonestown thread about how I am in a fb group for JTown survivors and most of them are idiots and at least one of them has joined other cults since then! The leaders and the followers always exist but some followers are way fucking dumber than others and need to kept away from society.

by Anonymousreply 429May 6, 2018 4:59 AM

According to the Daily Mail, Keith tried to make eye contact with her when they were in court yesterday, but she didn't look back.

The threat of jail sure de-programmed her fast.

Keith is good, but he's no Charles Manson.

by Anonymousreply 430May 6, 2018 8:05 AM

Manson was a fucking hack! Neither of them are Jim Jones.

by Anonymousreply 431May 6, 2018 8:50 AM

[quote] [italic]"He is accused of showing “human subjects an actual video of the horrific and brutal murders and dismemberment of four women by machetes; and violent film clips, including a male African American being viciously stomped by a Nazi; [bold]a conscious male being forced to eat a portion of his own brain matter[/bold]; and a graphic gang rape.”[/italic]

Mary! Please tell me this is not real! Was this filmed when the Hitler and the Japanese had the horror labs?

by Anonymousreply 432May 6, 2018 9:28 AM

r432 That bit sounds like the scene in HANNIBAL with Ray Liotta. I'm assuming the video was clips of movies, rather than documentary footage.

by Anonymousreply 433May 6, 2018 9:32 AM

r433 Yes! And the nazi stomping the black guy is "American History X". Was the gang rape of one miss Jodie Foster?

by Anonymousreply 434May 6, 2018 9:46 AM

[Quote] I'm assuming the video was clips of movies, rather than documentary footage.

I bloody well hope so. What a sick fuck🤢

by Anonymousreply 435May 6, 2018 4:55 PM

I think that these were film clips from previous productions that were not snuff films. But we don’t know. Even with forensic analysis, it may be impossible to determine the origin of these films.

I have a close relative who works for one of the alphabet agencies. He has seen real snuff films, due to the fact that he was assigned to a unit that dealt exclusively with Mexican drug cartels. He says that these murders are almost always filmed, so that the recording of them can serve as a warning to others in the community, who resist their operations.

I don’t know, nor do any of us know, what Raniere had possession of, but it seems that his goal was the same as the cartels’: intimidation.

Raniere isn’t ever getting out of this one. Mack has no doubt, cut a deal, and he will live out the rest of his life in some supermax federal prison somewhere, where he’ll undoubtedly start a prison cult.

These guys can’t help themselves. It’s what they do.

by Anonymousreply 436May 6, 2018 5:24 PM

For those interested

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by Anonymousreply 437May 6, 2018 10:39 PM

R437, I just went through that.

How fucked up does any man or woman need to be in order to get involved in this crap?

by Anonymousreply 438May 7, 2018 1:29 AM

I wondered that, too, R438. I guess if they were young. . I think they preyed on vulnerable people.

The blackmail reminds me of Scientology. Don't they get people to confess to personal things as well?

Also wondered about AA . Isn't that another cult with controlling personalities and mind control?

by Anonymousreply 439May 7, 2018 2:28 AM

R439, It all reminded me of COS. Same template. I’m wondering if this is a practice run to go after COS, as well. The COS can be accused of all of the exact same things, including the sex trafficking. If you recall, the COS had recruited an actress (I cannot recall her name, but she was on Homeland-very pretty dark skin, dark haired girl), to be Tom Cruise’s girlfriend. They had her sign confidentiality agreements, styled her hair, makeup, wardrobe, in order to move in with Cruise, sight unseen. She alleges that she lived with Cruise and was sexually involved with him for a month, (maybe more, cannot recall), until she said something that infuriated TC, and then was banished from his home, and sent to the Sea Org, and made to clean toilets, because she failed her assignment.

If the FBI is going after Raniere, it has every reason to also go after the COS. I hope that this is the beginning of that future effort.

AA doesn’t make one sign NDAs, or work for free, or have sex with AA members. So no, not the same.

by Anonymousreply 440May 7, 2018 3:11 AM

Here’s the Tom Cruise story:

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by Anonymousreply 441May 7, 2018 3:16 AM

Yeah, CoS has a lot in common with this group, so how can they go after one group and not the other

AA may not have an official sex thing, but there is sex and mind control and intimidation. It needs an expose of some kind at least.

by Anonymousreply 442May 7, 2018 3:34 AM

R442, I’ve been in AA for years. No mind control, no non consensual, non enthusiastic sex, no intimidation. Do assholes go to AA in order to prey on young, vulnerable men and women? Absolutely. Is it a group effort, and conspiracy in order to perpetuate criminal behavior, or even unethical, morally unsound behavior? No.

by Anonymousreply 443May 7, 2018 3:44 AM

She just seems like such an unlikely person to wind up in this situation.

by Anonymousreply 444May 7, 2018 3:45 AM

What I’ve never understood is why Cruise and Miscaviage never went to jail for conspiring to tap Nicole Kidman’s phone? They directly hired Pelicano to do it. He didn’t come up with the idea to tap a famous movie actress’s phone on his own. He was consulted, and paid for the job. Why did he go to jail, and not the two people who hired him.

What does the COS have on someone, that they have not been shut down? Is the FBI understaffed? Why aren’t COS leadership being arrested and indicted?

by Anonymousreply 445May 7, 2018 3:52 AM

It's always money or threats. Honey or vinegar. Sometimes both.

I'm sure Pelicano makes deals with this clients that he will take the fall if there's a fall to take, and preserve his filthy rich clients' reputations. He may do a little time, but he makes the biggest bucks of all and gets repeat clients with serious wealth. Pelicano probably makes a deal with law enforcement that he serves some token amount of time. A lot like Jeffrey E who got to spend all his days outside of jail and only had to sleep in the cell once in awhile. You have enough money and dirt you can do anything, and hire PR to bury your messes, too.

by Anonymousreply 446May 7, 2018 5:35 AM

Me too, R438. The minute they asked for "collateral" that should have been a HUGE red flag. And in what way did this freak help anyone? Ever. Why would these dopey actresses think some no name clown from Clifton Park, NY had any useful Hollywood connections? They practically had to live in that upstate NY backwater so he could repeatedly rape them. Idiots.

Reminds me of all the Cosby victims. They were all promised a boost with their careers, but I can't think of a single person Bill Cosby helped....over decades.

by Anonymousreply 447May 7, 2018 9:19 AM

[Quote] If you recall, the COS had recruited an actress (I cannot recall her name, but she was on Homeland-very pretty dark skin, dark haired girl), to be Tom Cruise’s girlfriend. They had her sign confidentiality agreements, styled her hair, makeup, wardrobe, in order to move in with Cruise, sight unseen. She alleges that she lived with Cruise and was sexually involved with him for a month, (maybe more, cannot recall), until she said something that infuriated TC, and then was banished from his home, and sent to the Sea Org, and made to clean toilets, because she failed her assignment.

Her name is Nazanin Boniadi.

by Anonymousreply 448May 7, 2018 5:43 PM

The appeal of both CoS and this seems, in large part, to be the allure of being part of an apparently privileged group. This particular con obviously preys on people's vanity. The blackmail element preys on insecurity and is the hook that keeps those inside from leaving. There's a similar thing going on with the QAnon bullshit, in as much as those who are pulled in by it seem to feel they're part of a privileged group of people who are "in the know". The sad fact is, there are an awful lot of people in the world susceptible to this kind of crap.

by Anonymousreply 449May 7, 2018 5:50 PM

R448, yes. That’s her. She reminds me of Vanessa Marcil, during her General Hospital time. Very pretty girl. I’d love to see her get more work.

She really dodged a bullet. Cruise is one of the sickest fucks I’ve ever heard about. He is a sick control freak, and a verbally and emotionally abusivo man. I have no idea how that asshole got away with tapping his then wife’s phone and listening to her conversations. Had I been the DA, I would have done everything possible to go after that little piece of shit.

by Anonymousreply 450May 7, 2018 6:08 PM

r450 Sickest fucks? Really? Tami sucks but surely you can't be serious about him being the sickest fuck, read the threads about the Turpin kids or any pedo and then tell me that.

by Anonymousreply 451May 7, 2018 6:32 PM

R401, Wtf?! Seriously what the fuck. This story gets wackier daily.

by Anonymousreply 452May 7, 2018 6:48 PM

R430, do you mean Rainere tried to make eye contact with Allison?

What bugs me is that AM is safely tucked away at her parents house. Is anything else happening to her?

by Anonymousreply 453May 7, 2018 6:56 PM

r453, she's being deprogrammed.

by Anonymousreply 454May 7, 2018 9:52 PM

[quote] Last year, now-jailed NXIVM cult leader, Keith Raniere launched his “University of Higher Education” [AKA Vanguard University] for sex slaves and other brainwashed cult members, some of them trust-fund babies. Tuition was $5,000 per month.

[quote] During last semester, some students thought the course was not worth $5,000 per month since they already learned its curriculum in middle-school or high school.

[quote] A source sent us a sample of what students were being taught. The following two pages are from a textbook actually used at The University.

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by Anonymousreply 455May 8, 2018 6:17 AM

Now that she's been deprogrammed and is sitting at home with her parents, what will her future be like? She has no doubt thrown the cult leader under the bus and will testify against him. Will she be forgiven by Hollywood?

by Anonymousreply 456May 8, 2018 10:03 AM

[quote][R430], do you mean Rainere tried to make eye contact with Allison?

Yes.

As to the people saying she's being deprogrammed - do you have any evidence? What I think is happening, is that she's going through a very spontaneous process of abandoning Raniere and the cult, out of fear of being jailed.

by Anonymousreply 457May 8, 2018 10:51 AM

From R455’s link:

‘The curriculum was a closely guarded secret. One course book studied was George Orwell’s 1984. Ayn Rand’s works were also part of the curriculum. There were classes in logic and grammar. About 60 students attended – each paying $5,000 each in cash or services. [None of it was reported and cash was the preferred method of payment.] More than half the students were Mexicans.’

This is just too rich, in all ways possible. Raniere is going to rot in jail.

I’m actually really pleased this asshole is going away for good.

What the article fails to mention is that the Mexicans taking his courses, were wealthy Mexicans, who actually live in Mexico, and came to the US with student or work Visas.

by Anonymousreply 458May 8, 2018 11:16 AM

Here’s what puzzles me about these rich heiresses and trust fund babies: why did they not just go to an actual real, accredited university?

What are these wealthy kids being taught as they are growing up? What values are being instilled in them? I remember being a child, quite vividly. I loved learning, reading, etc. No one had to brow beat me to get my homework finished. All projects, papers, assignments were turned in on time throughout elementary school and up. By the 8th grade, I understood that the heat was on, and my acceptance into a decent university was contingent upon my performance. I wasn’t, nor am I a genius, but I was, and still am, highly disciplined when it comes to getting something done, and doing it well.

I had a pretty turbulent childhood, because I grew up with a mentally ill mother. All odds were stacked against me. However, school was my safe haven. It was the place where I had the opportunity to be one among many, and just blend in. I can’t imagine what would have happened to me had I not genuinely enjoyed school.

These wealthy women had much more going for them than I did. Why weren’t they setting their sights on Princeton, Yale, or Harvard? And please allow me to point out that you do not have to be wealthy in order to get into an Ivy, but it sure as fuck doesn’t hurt your chances, either.

Were these women just lazy? They went to the best schools through high school, at minimum. I doubt that they were stupid, or challenged because of a learning disability.

How the fuck do people born into privilege, end up forking over millions upon millions to an obvious charlatan, such as Keith Raniere? I can’t imagine how pissed off I’d be if I found out that my daughter took my hard earned money, and handed it over to this ass clown.

THIS is why you don’t give young adults a free ride. Are you wealthy? Do you have kids? Do yourselves a favor, and teach your children how to become self sufficient. Pay for their education, but don’t make the mistake of handling them over wads of cash. You’re doing them no favors by setting them up to become marks for the next predator who comes along. And there will ALWAYS be another one who comes along. Guaranteed.

by Anonymousreply 459May 8, 2018 11:52 AM

Schneidermann was the AG who stopped the investigation of Raniere and the cult.

by Anonymousreply 460May 8, 2018 5:32 PM

r459 could use some personality coaching

by Anonymousreply 461May 8, 2018 10:24 PM

R459, if you do some deep research, you'll find answers to your questions about the heiress' family history and how this is just another business (front) for all kinds of other businesses that do importing and exporting. Make yourself a gin and tonic and start your research. You'll need the cocktail to stomach what you'll find.

by Anonymousreply 462May 9, 2018 5:38 PM

r462, it's barely after 12pm....

by Anonymousreply 463May 9, 2018 5:40 PM

It’s still staggering that the Bronfmans gave Raniere 100 mil. Probably more.

by Anonymousreply 464May 9, 2018 5:48 PM

I don't know what to make of this.

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by Anonymousreply 465May 9, 2018 5:49 PM

That lone gunmen from the x files sure got old r465

by Anonymousreply 466May 9, 2018 5:53 PM

r465, I'll help you break it down.

[quote] was arrested 'for raping girls as young as 12'.

He has not been charged with that...yet. Although, it has been widely discussed. He was arrested for human trafficking and forced labor.

[quote] There have been accounts of a motherless three-year-old boy brought into the NXIVM cult

Gaelen is Raniere's son with Kristin Keefe. She took her kid and left the cult quite a few years ago. Raniere didn't want anyone to know Gaelen was his kid (part of his pickup was telling women they were going to have a daughter together who would be "an avatar") so they made up a convoluted adoption story.

[quote] Donald Trump and his gang are followers of Ayn Rand

Trump can't read. But, yes, most republicans and libertarians support and adhere to Rand's 'philosophy of selfishness'.

[quote] The Satanist Anton LaVey has acknowledged that his brand of Satanism was "just Ayn Rand’s philosophy with ceremony and ritual added."

And that's all any religion (pomp, circumstance and dogmatic fear mongering) is because the supernatural is IMAGINARY.

[quote] the cult, NXIVM, which reportedly traffics child sex-slaves.

No evidence of that.

[quote] Clare Bronfman currently runs NXIVM.

Clare finances NXIVM. Nancy Salzman runs it.

[quote] a Jewish fascist...Jewish liquor baron Lew Rosenstiel.

You might want to reconsider getting your "news" from neo-Nazis. Just a suggestion.

by Anonymousreply 467May 9, 2018 6:11 PM

I'm sure there was a good reason to shut this down.

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by Anonymousreply 468May 9, 2018 7:03 PM

OK, I'm convinced now that this a CIA-op. 90% of what they were doing was straight out of the declassified MKUltra records.

This is the same sort of thing that happens when local law enforcement cracks down on what they think are child porn rings but are really FBI honeypot operations (or both...).

Do you guys remember the School of The Americas?

by Anonymousreply 469May 9, 2018 11:10 PM

R469 Now if you'll excuse me, I'm due back on planet earth.

:EYE ROLL:

by Anonymousreply 470May 9, 2018 11:33 PM

r470 have you read the MKUltra docs released via the FOIA?

by Anonymousreply 471May 9, 2018 11:39 PM

Why would he mess with Mexican heiresses? At least a few of them have to have ties to the cartels. He's dead meat and it won't be pretty. Their torture methods are horrific.

by Anonymousreply 472May 9, 2018 11:49 PM

R470 is the gentle hall monitor trying to shut down your thoughts. Please don't anger her with your intuition, even if it's correct.

by Anonymousreply 473May 10, 2018 2:07 AM

r472, they have quite a foothold in Mexico. The children (and other relatives) of the former president are members and leaders in NXIVM sects there, along with other hoity toity social diary types and celebrities. By the sound of what's been reported on Frank Report, one might assume that Mexico is where they have the most members and support, for whatever reason.

by Anonymousreply 474May 10, 2018 2:29 AM

Dr Brandon Porter sounds like an awesome upstanding highly skilled doctah.

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by Anonymousreply 475May 10, 2018 10:52 PM

They think Raniere and the doc were poisoning them as an experiment. Only the riff-raff got sick.

by Anonymousreply 476May 11, 2018 12:29 AM

r459 It has nothing to do with free rides , it has everything to do with the personality of his victims. I guarantee you that even if they were working class and had to work 24/7 they would still have fallen for his "teachings" , plus there are young adults with even more money than these girls, why did they not fall into his trap?

by Anonymousreply 477May 11, 2018 1:50 AM

Someone had the dumb idea of asking Rose McG0wan what she thinks of NXIVM, and all she could say is that this cult is just business as usual, because patriarchy and blah blah blah.

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by Anonymousreply 478May 12, 2018 12:48 PM

r461 would be the perfect victim for any cult. "Personality coaching." Only in America can someone can up with such a ridiculous term. Almost as bad as "attitude adjustments", so beloved by Californian "therapists".

by Anonymousreply 479May 12, 2018 1:50 PM

Right over your head r478....

by Anonymousreply 480May 12, 2018 3:03 PM

R480 indeed

by Anonymousreply 481May 12, 2018 5:18 PM

The Seagram heiresses need to be arrested. They financed all of these crimes. I wonder why Mexican wealthy were seduced by this foolishness?

by Anonymousreply 482May 13, 2018 4:09 PM

How come they haven't arrested the heiresses yet?

by Anonymousreply 483May 13, 2018 4:24 PM

r459 you have to look at what women are fed by society and those around them. I'm working with a couple of men who have young daughters around ages 8 - 10. They talk about all the worries they have and I tell them to encourage them to play sports. The guys who are outdoors men I tell them to teach their daughters to fish, hunt etc. or just take them with you and show them the same kind of respect and belief in their abilities you would a son. Help them start building confidence in their physical abilities because those are things you can measure. You can see the result from the effort and that is a good foundation. None of those fathers thought it was a good idea.

So I'm suggesting they help give their daughters basically the same attention they would a son and the idea is distasteful to them. Why? I'm guessing because they want their daughters to relate to them as fathers the same way they want grown women to relate to them, in the traditional male to female gender roles. Boys to this, women don't.

Women are socialized a certain way. They are socialized to want certain things out of life and are taught certain ways to get those things. You are seeing the result of that in this situation. The way women are taught to BE in the world makes them great targets. Like shooting fish in a barrel, low hanging fruit. It's been like this for millennia. I hope there is a radical shift soon cause I'm tired of watching this stupid shit.

by Anonymousreply 484May 13, 2018 4:54 PM

I have never heard of these companies, but it sure doesn't look like the little rich Bronfman girls were just lost, trying to find their way in the world, and took a wrong turn.

??

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by Anonymousreply 485May 15, 2018 6:14 PM

Herpes To Heroes it'll come out that these were mostly shell companies and that they were laundering more than just NXIVM money.

The "lost" 160-million in commodities and 25-million in real estate were surely laundered, as well.

So, who else was dropping off their dirty dough at Raniere & The Bronfmans' Silkwood Shower service?

by Anonymousreply 486May 15, 2018 6:35 PM

This just keeps getting better and better.

by Anonymousreply 487May 15, 2018 6:57 PM

[quote] DON’T BE DUMB, LLC

by Anonymousreply 488May 15, 2018 7:35 PM

THE ROOFING COMPANY,

by Anonymousreply 489May 15, 2018 10:36 PM

THE ART OF MOVEMENT, INC.

DBA Movement and Transport of Humans, Inc.

by Anonymousreply 490May 17, 2018 12:49 AM

I think the Seagram heiresses need to be indicted! But no new info on this case ..

by Anonymousreply 491May 18, 2018 12:00 AM

That's because the RottenChilds are involved, R491.

by Anonymousreply 492May 18, 2018 6:46 PM
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by Anonymousreply 493May 18, 2018 6:49 PM

It turns out Frank Parlato is a right wing lunatic, who is now singing Roger Stone's praises. He's gone out of his way to discredit himself and I wonder what that means for the facts of the case. Where are they to be found?

by Anonymousreply 494May 18, 2018 6:52 PM

Parlato was always fishy.

He used to be hired gun for the Bronfman sisters and in 2015 he was condemned on several counts of fraud.

by Anonymousreply 495May 18, 2018 6:54 PM

I thought there was something off about that Parlato dude and stopped reading his blog after reading about his attitude towards women, movies, liberals and his housing / real estate scams. It wouldn't surprise me if he knew all along that the self-help/executive success stuff was a front and he was enjoying seeing all of the rich, gullible, liberal-minded women getting scammed by the cult leader until he got bit in the ass by the nutjobs running the cult. This is a good read on Parlato. Unfortunately many of the links are no longer active but the author put in enough gems from the pen of Parlato to give a good laugh about his semen obsession, manliness, and hyenas.

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by Anonymousreply 496May 18, 2018 8:44 PM

wow, great find r496! That email is...unbelievable. It's making more sense now why his qualms with the cult have been so narrowly (and repetitively) focused. This guy is a total fucking lunatic. I wonder if he's made it to 32 years without release yet.

by Anonymousreply 497May 19, 2018 3:01 AM

Harvey could be singing about this N3XIVM sickness. Would it surprise anyone?

by Anonymousreply 498May 25, 2018 10:31 PM

Lovely

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by Anonymousreply 499May 31, 2018 5:31 AM

Where there is money laundering, don't be surprised to see Vicente Fox's name.

by Anonymousreply 500May 31, 2018 6:00 AM

Hey R459, are you starting to get the picture. The heiresses are part of the entire long legacy of .. whatever you want to call this big pile of stinking shit.

by Anonymousreply 501June 1, 2018 1:35 AM

Funny that all Roseanne reruns are canceled but its still OK to air Smallville even though its star is involved in the human trafficking of children.

by Anonymousreply 502June 1, 2018 7:24 PM

[quote]even though its star is involved in the human trafficking of children.

Tom Welling is involved in human trafficking?!

by Anonymousreply 503June 1, 2018 7:26 PM

Allison Mack appeared in 206 of Smallville's 211 episodes, R503. She is the second billed star of the series and she is one of the leaders of a cult that practices child and adult sex slavery, not to mention branding the slaves like cattle.

by Anonymousreply 504June 1, 2018 7:29 PM

But yet you felt the need to exaggerate to make your point r504.

The star of "Smallville" is unquestionably Tom Welling, that isn't even up for debate. Your sabotage your own argument by trying to twist facts.

by Anonymousreply 505June 1, 2018 7:31 PM

Oh, R505, you are walking a mile out of your way to disconnect Allison Mack from the series she starred in. According to your logic, John Goodman was never one of the stars on Roseanne.

by Anonymousreply 506June 1, 2018 7:33 PM

No, frankly I don't give a fuck if they did take Smallville off the air. I have no dog in this fight.

But facts matter, words matter. So many people, especially on the right, don't get that.

by Anonymousreply 507June 1, 2018 7:35 PM

[quote]But facts matter, words matter.

Yes they do. And the fact is, the female star of Smallville is one of the leaders in a cult that engages in sex slavery.

by Anonymousreply 508June 1, 2018 7:40 PM

Roseanne likened a Caucasian woman to another Caucasian woman who wore ape makeup in a movie. For this Roseanne is pulled from the airwaves.

Allison Mack recruited underage sex slaves and had them branded like cattle. The media does not want to report on this and they want you to keep watching Allison Mack's signature series, Smallville.

Double standard much?

by Anonymousreply 509June 1, 2018 7:47 PM

[quote]The media does not want to report on this

What?! It was reported everywhere. There was another big profile in the NYTimes just two days ago.

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by Anonymousreply 510June 1, 2018 7:49 PM

The very first sentence of OP's article identifies Mack as a star of Smallville yet R505 wants you to believe that a TV show can only have one star.

by Anonymousreply 511June 1, 2018 8:00 PM

Time to bump this up again bitches. It's not going away.

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by Anonymousreply 512July 24, 2018 8:15 PM

Should've taken scienos down the same way while there was still time.

by Anonymousreply 513July 24, 2018 8:23 PM

Someone was just commenting on another thread yesterday about how we hadn’t heard anything about this in a while. Perfect timing!

by Anonymousreply 514July 24, 2018 8:53 PM

R513 Same.

by Anonymousreply 515July 25, 2018 6:04 PM

[bold]Allison Mack and Me - Why would a child actor turn to NXIVM?[/bold]

A piece by Mara Wilson.

[quote]We were never close friends, and she wouldn’t remember me now. But we moved in the same circles: We were both child actors in L.A. in the late ‘90s and early 2000s, and we both loved to do volunteer work.

[quote]I didn’t keep up with her much after that, until, twenty years after first meeting her, I saw the headline “Allison Mack of Smallville Is Charged With Sex Trafficking.”

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by Anonymousreply 516July 28, 2018 2:21 AM

Allison's Smallville co-star Michael Rosenbaum was asked about Allison's involvement in the cult. He is as shocked as everyone else.

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by Anonymousreply 517July 28, 2018 4:01 AM

Wow, if it wasn't clear before that the FrankReport was run by a nutjob, one glance at that site now would remove any doubt. And what is that lunatic Parlato's obsession with Kristin Kruek. I swear whenever I've looked at that site, he's got another post bitching about her just to bitch. She must have spurned him or worse laughed at him at some point. But who could blame her. He looks like someone with poor hygiene and halitosis.

by Anonymousreply 518July 30, 2018 4:45 AM

Looks like NXIVM's co-founder Nancy Salzman may be flipping to get a plea deal. She's been there from the beginning. Would be funny if she also ended up helping to convict that loony, racist, misogynist Parlato for his crimes. For a good laugh and look into the crazy, check out his man-making site where he describes women as "blood and puss filled" and raves about manliness and chastity. Unfortunately his link to his list of "Great WHITE Men to Admire" is not working but since he wrote puff pieces about Roger Stone recently, one can guess at the type of "men" it would include.

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by Anonymousreply 519September 14, 2018 4:08 PM

Did Grace Park renounce them? She's on the much-derided "A Million Little Things" that ABC is using to rip off "This Is Us."

by Anonymousreply 520September 14, 2018 4:13 PM

I think the only one of "known" actors who has publicly spoken out besides the whistleblower Sarah Edmondson is Kristen Kruek and Catherine Oxenberg. Supposedly Gerard Butler, Jennifer Anniston, Penelope Cruz and Rosario Dawson have been linked to the cult but that comes from the very unreliable Frank Parlato so there's probably nothing really there.

by Anonymousreply 521September 14, 2018 4:41 PM

I'm just asking because I thought she'd left acting to devote herself full-time to this.

by Anonymousreply 522September 14, 2018 4:43 PM

Where did you get that information? From IMDB, Park has made two films since leaving H50 with Kim over the pay inequality so she obviously did not leave acting.

by Anonymousreply 523September 14, 2018 4:56 PM

I'm not sure. Maybe I just mixed up something I read about her being so dedicated to it--despite being too old--with her departure from H50.

by Anonymousreply 524September 14, 2018 4:58 PM

If you were reading the Frank Report, stuff on there is highly suspect especially with regards to what is written about the actresses. Parlato made headlines a few years back with his anti-Hollywood, anti-female views in an email that was shared by the film critic he fired. He wrote "I don’t want to publish reviews of films where women are alpha and men are beta. where women are heroes and villains and men are just lesser versions or shadows of females. i believe in manliness. If you care to write reviews where men act like good strong men and have a heroic inspiring influence on young people to build up their character (if there are such movies being made) i will be glad to publish these. i am not interested in supporting the reversing of traditional gender roles. it is my opinion that hollywood has robbed america of its manliness and made us a nation of eunuchs"

by Anonymousreply 525September 14, 2018 5:31 PM

Plea negotiations currently ongoing. I fucking knew the bitch would get away with it. As if they needed her testimony to sink Raniere.

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by Anonymousreply 526March 19, 2019 2:44 AM

"it is my opinion that hollywood has robbed america of its manliness and made us a nation of eunuchs"

Tiny penis with it's head in the sand.

by Anonymousreply 527March 19, 2019 2:52 AM

Seriously R527

by Anonymousreply 528March 19, 2019 3:35 AM

Changing her plea to guilty.

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by Anonymousreply 529April 8, 2019 5:34 PM

When Tee Vee Actresses Attack!

by Anonymousreply 530April 8, 2019 5:51 PM

𝗚𝗿𝗼𝘂𝗽 𝗼𝗿𝗮𝗹 𝘀𝗲𝘅 𝘀𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝘁𝗼 𝗽𝗹𝗲𝗮𝘀𝘂𝗿𝗲 𝗡𝗫𝗜𝗩𝗠 𝗰𝘂𝗹𝘁 𝗹𝗲𝗮𝗱𝗲𝗿 𝗞𝗲𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗥𝗮𝗻𝗶𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗿𝘂𝗽𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝗳𝗲𝗱𝗲𝗿𝗮𝗹 𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗱

An exotic commitment renewal ceremony with his front-line followers was nothing more than a “group (oral sex)” session for alleged cult leader Keith Raniere that was interrupted when federal agents busted into his Mexican hideaway to arrest him, a former member testified Tuesday.

NXIVM lieutenant Lauren Salzman said she was taking a nap with Raniere before the “ceremony” began when agents surrounded the villa in March 2018.

Inside were several other women followers, one of whom screamed out “The police are at the door ... They’re here for Keith.”

Salzman said she immediately went into protective mode, urging Raniere to flee while she tried to stall the feds, who stood outside the house armed with machine guns.

“I ran and tried to protect Keith,” Salzman told jurors at Raniere’s sex trafficking trial in Brooklyn Federal Court.

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by Anonymousreply 531May 22, 2019 5:37 AM

Seagram heiress jailed for bankrolling sex cult

Wed, September 30, 2020, 7:04 PM CDT·2 mins read The heiress of the Canadian drinks empire Seagram was sentenced to more than six years in prison by a New York court Wednesday after pleading guilty in a sex trafficking scandal linked to a cult.

The 81-month sentence handed down to Clare Bronfman, 41, was seen as particularly stiff, since prosecutors had themselves only called for five years of incarceration.

Bronfman pleaded guilty last year to credit card fraud and harboring illegal immigrants on behalf of "self-help" group Nxivm, whose founder Keith Raniere was found guilty in June 2019 of having kept between 15 and 20 sex slaves for years.

rest of story at link

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by Anonymousreply 532October 1, 2020 2:31 AM

Allison Mack was apparently doing an online course in gender studies and feminism during lockdown.

by Anonymousreply 533October 1, 2020 2:36 AM

R533 how ironic.

by Anonymousreply 534October 1, 2020 4:01 PM

[quote]She's got average, girl next door looks. So do Oxenberg, Clyne and Emma Watson (not a cult member, but a target). He obviously has certain specific tastes. You don't see any slaves who look like strippers or Kardashian trash. These are wholesome (looking) "good" girls with deep insecurities he could manipulate and control.

Allison Mack was also trying to recruit Kelly Clarkson, who fits the narrative, if not the BMI.

by Anonymousreply 535February 4, 2021 3:40 PM

R535 good thing Kelly wasn't a dumbass.

by Anonymousreply 536February 4, 2021 10:51 PM

I always found Chloe kind of annoying on Smallville and Lana too. I can see they both had negative energy and my dislike was right on the money. I loved Lois though and Erica Durance so far has clean hands. Poor Tom, he probably feels awkward now knowing that had to be the love interest to two actress who were both involved in a sex trafficking cult.

by Anonymousreply 537February 4, 2021 10:55 PM
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