[quote]what the hell happened in Grenoble? what did Jonathan say? I saw it on TSL but I still don't know what the altercation is.
Nothing was really revealed, but it appears Jonathan was confronted by Kori Ade and Rohene Ward on Facebook, who called him out on something he said on TSL, I would assume.
It probably had to do with what he and Dave said in their NHK recap show (see link below).
When they got to talking about Mariah Bell and Jason Brown, there were some pretty sketchy insinuations made about Kori's coaching, as well as criticism of Rohene's choreography.
In particular, when talking about Mariah Bell's "Chicago" program, Jonathan criticized the choreography, to which Dave implied that Rohene had no class. Dave also talked about how, when he visited Kori's rink (when Mariah was still training there), she couldn't land a jump--thus insinuating why Mariah left Kori for Rafael, and also implying Kori is not a good technical coach (which isn't news, really).
When they got to Jason, they critiqued his looks a little, but probably the final straw was when Jonathan, in talking about Jason's disappointing skate, insinuated that Kori was deliberately holding Jason back from getting the technical help he needed to improve his jumps, either for political reasons or fear of losing him to another coach, to which Dave followed up with some anecdotal info of Jason's time spent learning from Frank Carroll and how misguided the focus of the training was. The word "sabotage" was used by Jonathan, which made it seem like Kori is keeping Jason from progressing for selfish reasons.
These are all pretty heavy insinuations, so it's not surprising Kori and Rohen went off, especially when they've been very gracious and open to talking with TSL in the past.
This is what frustrates me about TSL...I love that it's the only place that really cuts through the PR bullshit of skating and actually critiques the skaters skills, programs and choreography honestly without all the sugarcoating. If they think X's costume is ugly, or Y's choreography sucks, they will say it, and give good analysis as to why. They will call out the Shibs for being boring, or Adam for skating empty programs, or the Russian girls for their tacky choreography--cause it's fucking true.
But they lose me when they veer into the gossip and start making insinuations about the skater's family or personal life. They too often cross those lines that have nothing to do with the actual skating.