Bjork: Lars Von Trier harassed me! Demanded I sleep with him!

As crazy as Bjork is, I'm sure she's telling the truth here. Despite getting great reviews for her performance, she alluded to having a difficult experience and not wanting to make another movie.

Lars Von Trier has such a fucked up view of the world it wouldn't surprise me.

Damn, I'm so disappointed in him as I love his movies.

Good on Bjork for speaking out!

Von Trier has always come off gross

He’s a wreck of a human being.

Disturbed.

I read Deneuve's collected diaries (In the shadow of Myself): it has her diary entries while shooting DITD. She says Bjork was "difficult" and made the shooting very hard for anyone. She (Deneuve) almost decided to quit the movie because was too annoyed by Bjork's behaviour. Of course not a word about Von Trier's harrasment. She probably didn't know about it.

Figures with Bjork's recount. He made it look like she was the one creating a problem.

Danish director Lars von Trier has denied harassing or abusing Icelandic singer Björk during the making of the film Dancer in the Dark (2000). Von Trier made the denial to a Danish newspaper and his comments were confirmed to The Hollywood Reporter by the director's assistant. But von Trier, who has endured media storms for offhand comments in the past — including notoriously saying at a Cannes press conference that he had “sympathy for Hitler” — declined to make an official statement. He did, however, tell the newspaper that Björk's performance in Dancer in the Dark was “one of the greatest performances in my movies.”

i hate him. his movies are ok but not the best

The sad thing about Von trier (whose real last name is "Trier," by the way--he added the "Von" to make himself sound aristocratic) is that he was decently attractive when younger. But he grew into a fat pig.

I always thought he was a sadist who likes to torture his audience. I really liked Dancer In The Dark even though it was heavy.

Yeah, given how women are depicted in his films, I don't find this at all hard to believe. He's a talented film maker, but a really, really fucked-up guy.

Björk's made tons of music videos and she's been involved in various video art projects. Is von Trier really the only Dane she's worked with?

Even though she got great reviews in Dancer in the Dark, she said at the time, she'd never make another movie, that the experience was too miserable (she never specified why.) And she never has. I think this one is pretty clear.

[quote]Björk's made tons of music videos and she's been involved in various video art projects. Is von Trier really the only Dane she's worked with?

None of her video directors have been Danish. Don’t know about the art projects, but it’s clear she’s talking about Lars.

[quote]The sad thing about Von trier (whose real last name is "Trier," by the way--he added the "Von" to make himself sound aristocratic) is that he was decently attractive when younger.

Not with that huge mole on the side of his nose.

Lars is an asshole? Color me surprised.

A huge mole on the side of the face is hideous!!!

What could be horrifying than a mole on the side of the face?? MONSTER!

What a BEAST! KILL IT!

UGH! I may PUKE!

Is it possible that any of these accusations are untrue? Asking for a friend.

That's too bad. I loved the movie. Pretty brave of Bjork to speak up.

Bjork: 1 Lars: -2

Not a fan of Bjork's work but I have to love her for telling this story, not just because it tells of her abuse but because she says a Danish film director. She completely identifies him but doesn't name him. That's brilliant.

Well done Bjork.

Cindy Crawford is meh

He's fat soo I kind of believe her

R22, it's unlikely. Bjork and the women who've spoken out against Weinstein are already well-known and financially at least comfortable. They've made their accusations in public, and they've exposed themselves to attack just by doing so.

I believe her, this is one story that really rings true. Because I saw the movie back in the day, and remember the rumors about how badly the director, and heard her say that she didn't want to make any more movies after "DitD". She was good in that movie, really good, but she stuck to her guns and didn't make more movies even though she could have.

Nobody does that! There's a lot more money in acting than in singing, so most singers take a stab at acting and those who can will do as much highly paid acting as they can. Justin Timberlake, Beyoncé, Diana Ross, Ice T, Lady Gaga, some of them will even let their singing careers slide because the money and career expectancy are so much better. But not Bjork, she'd had enough after one film...

Dancer in the Dark, Breaking the Waves and Melancholia are breathtaking movies in my opinion. Melancholia is one of my favorite movies. It is ostensibly based on LVT’s own severe depression and apparent sadistic personality traits. Consider that all these movies have suffering (actually tortured) women as their central characters.

Also recall that Von Trier is sort of the original alt-right nutjob. During the press tour for Melancholia, he told a journalist that he sympathizes with Hitler. Watch how German-born Kirsten Dunst suffers beside him as he prattles on. Just watch her. I imagine he was at least as intimidating to her as he was to Bjork.

Imagine how a Nazi-sympathizing director of sadistic movies about women who has profound mental illness behaves privately with the women he directs.

Van Trier was banned from Cannes and declared “persona non grata.” His response: We should talk more about Hitler. He was a person, too! He had his downs and ups.

Sooo someone who broadcasts sympathy for someone who ordered 6 million to die probably would have done the things Bjork alleges and then some.

I always wondered about Charlotte Gainsbourg. She worked a lot with Von Trier, often in very demanding and difficult roles (roles that SJW would no doubt call "problematic". urgh). Apparently she never had any problem with him. Does anyone know anything?

I consider him a great director and some of his movies are true masterpieces ("Melancholia", to name one.) But I'd never, ever want to know him - he's always struck me as a genuinely awful human being.

One of the secret rules of Dogme 95: director must sexually molest female lead

Breaking the Waves was enough for me. That was my last film of his.

R35, you should definitely at least check out all the porn bits from von Trier's Nymphomaniac.

[quote]I always wondered about Charlotte Gainsbourg. She worked a lot with Von Trier, often in very demanding and difficult roles (roles that SJW would no doubt call "problematic". urgh). Apparently she never had any problem with him. Does anyone know anything?

1 She’s French 2 Her father is Serge Gainsbourg Being around unstable, inappropriate men is probably old hat for her.

R37 unless her Nymphomaniac scenes were digitally edited, she got double penetrated while Lars filmed it. THAT might finally be one of those clear lines between willing consent and harassment.

The scenes were digitally edited. Not her being double penetrated.

He has a carbuncle on his nose you can see from space not a sexy mole. Learn the difference.

Nymphomaniac used porn doubles for the scenes with penetration. I go back and forth on LVT's films. Dancer in the Dark annoyed me, though Bjork was excellent. Loved Melancholia--it got something very true about depression as a weird coping mechanism. Refused to see the one with genital mutilation. Nymphomaniac was interesting, but I didn't really like it.

He is sprouting a second head on the side of his nose. It goes by the name Bjorn.

Nymphomaniac stars: 'Lars isn't a misogynist, he loves women'

Charlotte Gainsbourg, Stacy Martin and Stellan Skarsgård reveal what it was like to work with Lars von Trier on his explicit new film, and why it is unfair to describe it as arthouse exploitation

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'Not the case': Lars Von Trier denies sexually harassing Björk

Lars von Trier and producer deny Bjork sexual harassment allegations: 'As I remember, we were victims

The way they are portrayed in his films is evidence enough that he has a serious problem with women.

Charlotte Gainsbourg: 'Maybe Lars von Trier is capable of that. But he didn’t do it with me'

Charlotte Gainsbourg: “Lars has been a perfect gentleman with me, even as he screams directions at me and calls me an ugly whore while we block close-up penetration scenes with my scene partner, who he has punch me in the face and then cum into the blood running from my nose. He is both a visionary and a kind soul!”

Funnily enough, Bjork is notoriously difficult to serve in a restaurant.

R49 was in jest, but this is actually from the article:

“Only once did [Gainsbourg] pull out of a scene, in Antichrist, where her character mashes a man’s penis with a log.”

Eva Green had problems with Von Trier

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So easy to believe Bjork. As other said she made it clear soon afterwards, she'd never work with him again and it was a horrible shoot for her.

Von Trier I bet if the money wasn't so good and more people see his films in the "legitimate" cinema. He'd be a serial killer making "snuff" films and selling them underground

With the women who work with repeatedly, well just because your a woman doesn't mean you don't enjoyment from seeing others demeaned and abused

I was enthralled with Melancholia and told everyone I know about it, and everyone who tried to watch it told me I am crazy to like it.

Now I’m thinking maybe they’re right...

R50, so women have to be perfect in order to be treated with dignity?

A “nasty” woman has no human rights?

why are you all bumping last years news? I thought something new about this came up, but no.

A Nazi who makes torture porn is a sexual predator. What's next? A charlatan real estate "mogul" with organized crime connections filling his cabinet with corrupt cronies, lining his own pockets and engaging in shameless nepotism.

Björk’s accusations

No such excuses worked when Von Trier got caught up in the ongoing controversies concerning the mistreatment of women (actual women, not characters modelled on Daisy Duck) in the film industry. The Me Too scandal came for Von Trier when Björk, star of his bizarre, Palme d’Or-winning musical Dancer in the Dark, described harassment by a thinly veiled “Danish director”. No other candidates in the Icelandic star’s brief filmography fit that description.

“Ninety per cent of the journalists I’ve talked to were sure that I did something wrong to Björk,” he says in the same flat monotone. “I said straight away that it’s not true. She thought I was touching her in a sexual way. I wouldn’t be able to direct anyone without touching them somehow. You have to protect them if you want them to go far into the emotions. She did a wonderful job. We had a tough time in private. But the working time together was a blessing.”

He comes uncharacteristically close to diplomacy when discussing the general effect of the Me Too movement. I wonder vaguely what he makes of how it has changed the business.

“Probably a good effect,” he says. “The idea is very good. That is what the internet should be used for. The problem is that it can be misused also. Very easily. The internet is a little no-man’s land. It is the parliament of the street, which is something a democracy is trying to avoid.”

Why would he want to fuck Bjork, isn't Lars von Trier gay?!

Lars von Trier has profound mental illness. It’s obvious when he speaks and a hundred times more obvious when you watch his movies. Melancholia is among my favorite movies, and I watched it when I was very ill and feeling suicidal; believe it or not, it made me feel less alone in my sadness and it gave me hope in a way. That can’t make sense unless you’ve been in that state of mind, but I knew when I watched it that LVT lives in a depressed netherworld.

I also loved Breaking the Waves and liked Dancer in the Dark.

But we can’t get these movies from a director and expect that director to be fully sane. He said during a press conference that he sympathizes with Hitler. He is self-destructive and likely abusive to himself and others. It makes his movies truly unique and it makes him a less than delightful person.

You can make movies that are truly unique without being a Nazi creep. There are other forms of mental illness that are more benign than what he has. Glad to see him not making films. We have plenty of other directors who struggle to get attention and financing. Let's let them work.

I heard this back in 2000.

“You can make movies that are truly unique without being a Nazi creep.”

Well, yes, many people could but he can’t because those movies are unique to his fucked up worldview. “Unique” doesn’t mean simply “avant garde”; it means “one of a kind.” No one else could make a movie that is truly like a Von Trier movie because his movies are truly unique. Truly unique, which is pretty rare in a business like the entertainment business, made for mass consumption. And Von Trier can’t make different movies because he is uniquely fucked up, including the Nazi comments and the actor abuses.

He is a case of “it is what it is.” You get what you get with him. There’s no point in arguing that he could still make great movies if only he were a different and better person. He is himself and can’t change who he is. Investors can choose not to invest and actors can choose not to take work with him as Bjork did after her experience. But it’s not as if boycotting someone so off the grid of normalcy is going to change who he is. This is the sort of thing that gets labeled genius because there’s just no compromising: he is who he is and he makes the movies he makes and that’s all there is to it. Take it or leave it. If everyone leaves it, maybe he will make aluminum foil sculptures for the rest of his life in a mental institition or maybe he’ll off himself. Who knows? People continue to patronize him for some reason.

The problem I have with people claiming Björk was in any way difficult is born out of my own experiences, both abuse aimed at me, and that that I've observed on others. Those who behave like Von Trier are very careful to pick one person and then be charming to everyone else. The person being abused then only has a couple of choices, none of which work in their favour. They try and confide in others and get told: "I don't know what you're talking about; he's always been good to [italic]me[/italic]." Or they stand up for themselves, in which case they are labeled as being "difficult". "Can't you just let it go?" "Just ignore him." "Why do you have to make a fuss?" "There are two sides to every story." Real life isn't a Hollywood movie where someone stands up against injustice and a slow clap that builds to a thunderous applause takes place. People side with the abuser much of the time. Not wanting him to turn their anger on them, or seeing strength in him but weakness in his victim, or being beholden to them in some way. It's easier to accuse the abused of being somehow responsible.

Björk is firey, and in her statement said she wouldn't let him push her around. That would be enough to get her labeled difficult, even if all she was doing was deflecting his behaviour. Anyway, those are my thoughts on that.

As far as his movies go, I've only seen Nymphomaniac, Part 1. I didn't know what it was about when I watched it, and kinda assumed it was about a woman taking control of her sexual life. It ended up being so depressive that I never bothered with Part 2.

R37, her father also wrote a duet with suggestive lyrics that he sang with her called "Lemon Incest" - she never really had a chance.

She still has a lovely speaking voice though. I really like her English accent. And some of her music I've really enjoyed ("Deadly Valentine", "Sylvia Says").

Proof of Von Trier’s insanity

Girlfriend Showing tits and cleavage in her latest concert: Mid-life Crisis?

^ link

Tits AND cleavage, eh?

Where did she get those tits?

From 2018

She's mentally ill. She had a few techno hits years ago thanks to some talented producers, but most of her stuff is pretentious dreck. And she can't act.

With these nutters dominating the %me2 movement it will eventually backfire.

And his movies are obtuse, monotonous and overrated.

I barely made it through Melancholia. With her being very late to her wedding and leaving in the middle to take a bath really bothered me. Honestly, I didn’t get the point of the movie or that she was depressed. She was still functioning.

R74 She has a collapse sometime after the wedding and can barely move. Gainsbourg flits about with mania over an upcoming planetary collision but Dunst isn’t phased (because her condition puts her in touch with the dark side already) and is able to rally and caretake for her sister and nephew in everyone’s final moments before death.

The general rule of thumb is that fucked up people create the best fucked up art, which appeals to a fucked up audience.

Just look at Taylor Swift and her break up songs being so popular with those who go through a break up.

We gravitate towards entertainment that fits our current state of mind. And the best entertainment is the one that comes from someone who fully understands the entertainment's subject matter and its mood setting.

R73 Techno? You don't know a single Bjork song, do you? Also, you are the first person ever who said that she can't act. Everyone else praised her in that role. I wouldn't be surprised if you never actually saw the movie, since you never heard her music. Where's your proof that she is mentally ill? And if she is, how is that a negative thing? Would you say the same about someone with a physical illness, like cancer?

[quote] Those who behave like Von Trier are very careful to pick one person and then be charming to everyone else. The person being abused then only has a couple of choices, none of which work in their favour. They try and confide in others and get told: "I don't know what you're talking about; he's always been good to me." Or they stand up for themselves, in which case they are labeled as being "difficult". "Can't you just let it go?" "Just ignore him." "Why do you have to make a fuss?" "There are two sides to every story." Real life isn't a Hollywood movie where someone stands up against injustice and a slow clap that builds to a thunderous applause takes place. People side with the abuser much of the time. Not wanting him to turn their anger on them, or seeing strength in him but weakness in his victim, or being beholden to them in some way. It's easier to accuse the abused of being somehow responsible.

Well said! Predators CHOOSE their prey! A wolf doesn’t chase an elk with antlers, but a rabbit. She was easier prey.

And I’ve long thought he was gross and nuts, so it isn’t hard to believe.

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Breaking the Waves is a profoundly great film, but I can’t bring myself to rewatch it, once was enough. I’m still haunted by her going back to the boat. He is a disturbed guy, clearly.

I can't erase the shocking sight of Bjork being goosed on the red carpet at the Academy Awards,

Did she always had gigantic titties?

he gives a VERY strong impression from his work of having an intense love/hate relationship with all women, no surprise he was mean to bjork

So what? I demanded more Burger Kings be zoned into my neighborhood - doesn’t mean it happened.